/pcbg/ - PC Building General

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Kaby Lake has been released! Skylake is depreciated if corresponding chips are similarly priced (e.g., i5 7600K vs i5 6600K)!
>Some motherboards will have a one-click, 5GHz on air OC button that works for 80% of i5 7600Ks
>100 series chipsets (Z170, B150, ect) don't work out of the box with Kaby Lake
>Z series chipsets have an "Enhanced Turbo" under XMP, which allows all cores to run at the highest single core boost clockspeed (works for Skylake CPUs as well)
>Pentiums now have hyperthreading, and are thus the new default budget / entry level gaming CPUs
>Pentium G4560 is the best price / perf four thread CPU on a modern platform
>All Kaby Lake CPUs work natively with 2400MHz DDR4 memory
>Do not underestimate the impact of fast (>2400, e.g, 3000MHz) RAM in conjunction with a Z series chipset, which often provides as much of a performance boost as a CPU overclock

>>58613328
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vjPKkT

>>58613419
You could probably spend less on the mobo but otherwise looks good

>>58613452
>looks good
the point of the mobo tbqh, I originally planned to get the MSI Krait 3X, it's a better deal

What are some reasonably priced silent or near silent fans? (120mm)

>>58613328
I have a 980 ti, but I plan on given it up to a friend. Should I get the gtx 1080 or wait for Vega?

>>58613631
Wait for vega or wait til the 1080 ti releases.

>>58613631
Vega will likely have a similar perf as the 1080, but the 1080Ti will likely be released in a couple months. You could get the EVGA 1080 and use the step up program to get the 1080Ti if you play your cards right. You better have at least a 1440p monitor though

>>58613653
I probably plan on doing this. Does EVGA actually honor this plan and how does it work exactly?

>>58613830
Check their website, but basically if a better card come out within three months of your purchase of the current champ, you can upgrade for the cost difference or something

>>58613625
Noctua are god's gift

>>58614110
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dgDkzM
Gaming build, budget of $2750, going for 1440p/144Hz. The first two things I'll upgrade are SSD and GPU, other than that I'm hoping it'll last a while. I'm in US btw. The sound card, I want because audiophile. My questions are:
How long will this last? (-GPU&SSD)
How can I improve it?
Am I wasting money on meme parts?
Is the sound card + headset not good with sound quality? I have Shure earphones but want overear headphones for gaming, so I'm looking for good headset, I'll raise total budget to $3,000 for better sound.

>>58614162
Didn't mean to reply to >>58614110
iust wanted to post. whoops

>>58614162

>how long will it last
likely longer than you need it for

>how can i improve it
remove the fan controller, because those can hook to the motherboard. and someone is going to tell you that those fans are crap (even though i think they're awesome too). and with that big case you don't really need a liquid cooler unless you want one to clean up the inside, a metal heatsink with fans can do the job. But the Pro5 can hold 6 fans if you remove all bays. 3 in the front, 2 on top, and 1 in the back. But if you put 3 in the front then you lose access to both of your 5.25" slots, so just something to keep in mind.

But realistically it looks pretty good. Expensive, but everything is good quality.

>>58614162
>How long will this last?
Hard to say w/o being able to tell the future
>How can I improve it?
By doing more research on the audio aspect.
>Am I wasting money on meme parts?
Yes. The cooler, the fan controller, the sound card and the headset.
>Cooler
There are better coolers for cheaper, even if you want to stick w/ AIO. I'll make a part list for you in a lil bit that should be better.
>Fan controller
waste of money
>Sound card and headset
The mobo can power 600 Ohm headphones and has decent enough signal to not really need a DAC, so sound card is a waste. The headset is a meme gaymer headset. Go ask questions in a /hpg/ (headphones general) thread on here. They'll help you find something good for the money.

>>58614162
And ofc, the fans are meme gaymer rgb but I understand people's subjective taste in aesthetics so it's up to you.
Here's the list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JQCFHN

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Are those GPU temps normal at idle? It's the first time I get a multi GPU build and I have no idea if it's within the norms

>>58614378
Yeah, I'd say they're normal.

>>58614330

why do you hate RGB so much?

>>58614378
>CF 290s
>1080p
m8. Sell them, buy a GTX1070 and a 1440p monitor

>>58614420
Because I liked RGBs when I was 15 and I hate my 15-year-old self, tbqh. But other than that, it's not RGB that I hate, it's the fact that people focus more on pretty colors than performance. Same reason people hate faggots who put spoilers and shiny rims on their cars.

>>58614454
It's a temporary monitor.

>>58614456

>spoilers and shiny rims on cars

i can see that. but it's more like different brands of air filters or exhaust rather spoilers or shiny rims. you'll get a lot of air coming through a K/N filter, but that's because the mesh is a bit looser so you'll also get a lot of particulates, but they look cool so everyone buys them. same with flowmasters, they have awful flow but they sound cool so even though you're not getting the max amount of power that you could with a more effective catback, you're still getting the sensation.

RGB fans still do the job, still spin, still pump air, but they might be a bit louder and more ostentatious, but sometimes a person has got to learn a lesson for themselves.

>>58614506
That's why I said "I understand people's subjective taste in aesthetics," personally, I'd go with some Noctua industrial fans cause muh CFM, but again, that's up to you, and it isn't even a major part of the build, so don't worry about it. Go check out /hpg/ threads, like I said. That'll do more for you than arguing with me about RGBs.

>>58614536

i'm not headphones guy, just someone else that got assblasted because of subjective matters. but i see where you're coming from.

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>>58614456
>Same reason people hate faggots who put spoilers and shiny rims on their cars.
Only chrome and nigger rims

>guy i work with had this on his 350z

>>58614553
eww, that's atrocious unless he is deliberately trying to blind people.

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My rig from 2 and a half year ago. well atm i got a fx-8320 for 20€ and a couple of more hdd's and a PNY 120gb ssd.

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Saski64/saved/4zrzK8

Trying to lower price and optimize for 1080p at 60hz yet make it upgradeble to 1440p by adding a second card, also thinking of getting 16gb of ram


Should I switch the 1070 for a 480 8gb?

BD drive is for my BD collection.

>>58614605
what are you asking? do you want to upgrade? did you do well? what?

>>58614615
well what could i improve is what i wanted to ask. retarded me forgot to put in there

>>58614615
>>58614624
obv i could upgrade the GFX but it still is going strong with what im doing (just playing games and photoshop at most)

>>58614605
>>58614624
You could get another processor, don't know if it'd be worth it. More ram wouldn't hurt. Maybe a newer GPU.

>>58614607
It's already good enough for 1440p, dude.
Here's an improved list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/b48bcc
Changed the GPU to nearly identical one that looks better and already has an OC on it. Got cheaper storage, added 16GB RAM. Cheaper price, better performance.

>>58614677
I know, Im just trying to make it more a 1080 machine that COULD be upgraded to 1440 If I wanted to.

I had to reduce my budget since Im quitting my part time job soon

>>58614674
the cpu atm is going strong with a 4,2 oc the gpu if i oc it with that factory oc on top of that it crashes. so thought about getting a 1080 on the summer sale... and ddr3 ram i can find that on the cheap so no problem there. tho since im not that fond of Intels pricing to performance coming to CPU's, do you recommend getting one of the zen one's when they are purchasable or am i having high hopes of low prices

>>58614721
Just upgrade the GPU and RAM, CPU should be fine if you're happy with it. Once Zen comes out, the prices for Skylake will probably fall, so wait and see.

>>58614700
Do you want it even cheaper? If so, by how much?

>>58614721
Wouldn't a 1080 bottleneck on that build? >>58614605

>>58614766
most likely thats why i think of maybe getting a zen cpu. depends on how they price them if it really is not in my range i might just get a 1070 or something from amd

>>58614750
Under 1000 if possible, hence why Im looking into a 480

>>58614766
Probably will, but it doesn't hurt to have an OP GPU if he's planning to upgrade his CPU later on, which he says he is.

>>58614786
Do you really need that ODD? Also, a cheaper case might help. You can also go with 1x8GB RAM right now and add another one when you have more money.

>>58614812
this was meant for >>58614786

>>58614700
That's stupid though, a single card can power 1440p 60hz for a good price, and SLI is fucking retarded
I never understood all these new builders getting a halfassed card (or a new one) and planning to "get another to upgrade down the line". It doesn't scale like that, 90% of games literally won't even use the second card, and more often than not it ends up being more expensive than if you'd sold when you upgrade or just have gotten a good card in the first place

>>58614824
this

>>58614783
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/q8KKkT

>>58614812
omfg. this was meant for >>58614783. Disregard >>58614821

>>58614851
I don't think b150 can use 2400mhz ram

>>58614859
we all have those days

>>58614861
that is irrelevant. it's literally $1 more than the 2133mhz equivalent, and you can "utilize" the remaining 267mhz if you get a new mobo sometime in the future.

>>58614865
I have to "wake up" in 5 hours and I haven't finished homework for my math course, yet I'm helping out people plan their PCs on a Mongolian clay pottery forum. This is entirely my fault.

>>58614906
>Mongolian clay pottery forum
kek, putting my kek's aside, uni?

>>58614929
nah, too poor. Community college. Finished their EMT program, but I'm waiting for some IDs to come in, so taking Gen. Ed for now

>>58614889
But a b150 doesn't leave much room to upgrade from a 6500, by the time the CPU will need replacing there will probably be a new specific standard of ddr4. In the meantime he can try and save $10 by getting the cheapest stock 2133mhz oem ram he can find
He's trying to budget

>>58614906
It's an Armenian cockfighting wiki, get your facts straight

Would an i7 3820, 16GB 1600MHz memory, and a 4GB 960 be decent for a gayming computer?
Trying to find cheaper used parts for a gaming/rendering system for my brother

>>58613328
>Kaby Lake Awareness

I'm aware it's shit, and requires fucking Windows 10.

>>58614944
>cheapest stock ram
The cheapest RAM is $2 less than what I listed...

>>58615008
So why not get 2x4GB and have dual channel? He can still use his $40 of ram if he does happen to upgrade his CPU and motherboard

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>>58614954
That's infinity chan
>>58614944
>>58615008
see pic
>>58615048
because it costs more

Is it worth paying ~$60 more for a z270 board just for the faster ram and more I/O or would I be fine with a much cheaper B250 board?

>>58615064
Or just stick with Z170, don't force yourself to join the botnet.

>>58615058
2x4GB ram costs exactly $1 more, and you get dual channel
Sounds a lot better than $2 more, and you get "futureproofing" but no benefits

>>58615085
Cause he wants to get 16GB eventually, and it's simpler (for the user and the pc) to run 2x8 in dual channel than 4x4 in dual channel, since skylake doesnt support quad channel

>>58615107
But it's not simpler it's the exact same difficulty to push in 2 extra sticks to upgrade than to push in 1 extra stick
This isn't an argument, having dual channel right now and forever is.

>>58615107
>it's much simpler for both the user and the PC to use 2 sticks instead of 4
>OH GOD IM RETARDED HOW TO RAM
Also the PC must be retarded and not know how to ram as well

>>58615132
Pushing 2 extra sticks = higher % risk (however small) of something breaking. Also, more physical components means there are more components that can fail. So you pay a bit more for an unnoticeable (to the human) improvement in performance but also a higher risk of component failure.
>>58615140
You are literally retarded.

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>>58613328
Any tips on how to reduce computer noise?

What materials do I need to make my case isolated?

I dont want to spend too much on flashy shit if I can do it myself with the same results

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any ideas for a better screen for a rx 480? I got pic related (27UD68) but the 480 is slightly shitty at 4k and it will only get worse.

Looking for 1440p or 1080 at the least.

>>58615189
You can turn it off. Other than purchasing a case that has good sound iso, idk.

>>58615197
LG 29UM68-P

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>>58613328
Tell me why this is a bad purchase and how am I going to regreat my decission once I buy it

>>58615226
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DHTWZRQ/

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>130€

Is good?

>>58615258
>Asus
>Sub 300$

probably utter shit.

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>>58615235
>>58615226
Besides price, they are the same shit isnt it? Or am I missing something?

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>>58615263
>That built-in I/O shield
Almost makes the $400 price tag worth it

>>58615295
This is beautiful, but is it worth it?

>>58615285
Acer is supposedly a bit lower quality, but yeah, pretty much.

>>58615258
Sorry the original price tag is 180€

>>58615302
I went ahead with the code series just cause they don't have the WS series out yet and I'm an impatient fucktard.

If you have a hardon for custom cooling rig then the formula is fine, also has additional lighting.

Otherwise you may want to wait for the Apex or Extreme to come out, or look into the Code.

>>58615302
>good for EKWB watercooling loops and shit
>super pretty
>prolly has a buncha nifty features
but on the other hand:
>forced botnet
>$400
up to you, really

>>58615079
I guess if I wanted to save money I could just get a z170 board with 6th gen cpu. The difference in performance is minimal right?

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>>58613328
So once Kaby Lake is out every other i7 is going to be cheaper right?

Im a fucking poor fag so this is great news for me

Still waiting for a good GTX 1070 offer, also quick question, why is the GTX1070 Winforce cheaper than the regular?

>>58615345
Yeah, aren't losing anything (significant) and get to keep Win7/8/8.1 support.

>>58615189
Just stick some Noctua fans and you are set

>>58615347
Kaby Lake is already out, and the Skylake chips have dropped a bit in price. Not much, but still makes me happy, being a poorfag as well.

Can't comment on the 1070, I personally want an MSI Quicksilver cause they're so pretty, but they're a bit expensive, and I already have a RX 480.

>>58613328
Im fucking mad my DDR3 32gb is now going to be obsolete....fuck man, this is not the future I choose...

>>58615353
Okay maybe I'll do that then as mobo prices are much cheaper

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>>58615409
Yeah, that's also a good factor to keep in mind.

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>>58613328
Red pill me on water cooling please, Ive never read more about it because im a fag that always tought thats some voodo stuff, very high end and not necessary

Now im intrigued but im still a fucking newborn, what should I avoid or look at before buying?

>>58615355
Noctuas are overpriced shit, avoid that

>>58615347
>why is the GTX1070 Winforce cheaper than the regular?

Got that for my brothers build, seems to run fine. He did mention that he got a graphical glitch when he first plugged it in at home, bunch of bars on the screen. It cleared after restarting. I think it might be a problem with the shitty 100$ RCA LCD tv screen he's using.

>>58615452
Water cooling in general? You could look into all in one water cooling things that you just attach to your CPU or whatever. Unless you are talking about full loops

>>58615471
What are full loops?

Also any brand I should look at?

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>>58613328
When is the best time to buy computer parts?

I want to buy a new pc but I dont know if any big sale is coming soon or if prices are gonna rise

Whats your opinion on that?

>>58615480
For full loops, afaik EKWB is like the goto brand.

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>>58615527
Bumb

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>>58615347
There's a regular 1070?

Are there going to decent Kaby or Ryzen boards with PCI slot?

>>58615527
In EU/Germany around summer, monitored prices using Billiger.de and Idealo.de this year.
December/January is the worst time, unless you can get some insane deal, but unfortunately most deals are a scam.

>>58615527
It never is, there always something new on the horizon, you buy something and 2 weeks later it goes on special. You buy something and 3 months later theres already something new and better. I guess wait for a big sale to come up.

>>58615540
>regular 1070
what did he mean by this?

>>58615527
Amazon and Black Friday is your best bet, they usually lower everything without considering the stock price

>>58615540
>>58615569
maybe Founders Edition?

>>58615569
Im pretty sure there one just called gaming gtx1070 but Im the same as you, probably the earlier adopters?

>>58615586
It costs more for shittier performance...

>>58615577
In Europe nothing really go in sale

>>58615609
This. Not even fucking mouse pads go on sale

>>58615534
And those cpus only thingies?

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https://www.amazon.co.uk/ADMI-GAMING-Gaming-Desktop-Computer/dp/B01N9OMI3D/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1485164573&sr=8-5&keywords=desktop%2Bgtx%2B1080&th=1

What do you guys think about this one? I want to play games at 1440p 144Hz and it should be future-proof. I will build this myself.

>Nvidia

No uh son you need to stop the shit now you autistic fuckbucket! You need to get shreks green nvidia theme dick out of your ear cause its affecting your brain son. Stop shoving those green money sign dildos up your shitter and stop paying Huang so you can give him head too. You need to stop the bullshit or toned your shit dude and stop sticking your finger in your ass and smelling like a retarded monkey. The key is price to performance son you don't got that you don't have shit you see here physx = fail, nvidiaworks = fail, shield = fail, titan = fail, and more you get picture faggot. AMD been winning since start your just to braindead and busy suckling the cum from Mr huang dick to see it! Now you can control that raging hard on in you pants for nvidia!

How important is it to have an 80 plus gold PSU? Are ones labeled 80 plus any good?

>>58613328
>Note: Win7 and 8.1 cannot be installed on a Kaby Lake system
Why the fuck not?

>>58615687
cause Microsoft got Intel and AMD to agree to force everyone onto the botnet with the new gen.

>>58615707
So does this also mean i cant install any other OS? How does the processor tell what OS i'm running anyway?

>>58615731
Idk

>>58615671
Nice copypasta

Anyone have any experiences with Patriot hellfire m.2 ssd ? They seem to advertise more speed than 960 evo and is a tad cheaper, any opinions ?

Can individual computer components be disabled by the seller or someone if they appear to be stolen etc, like if you get double packaged because of shipping errors or if you get a package and then your payment gets refunded ?
I know that stolen laptops, especially thinkpads can get locked and it will require a costly tool to unfuck it, but what about just individual PC components like SSD or RAM or CPU ?

>>58616129
Don't steal. Stealing is bad.

>>58607496
>Get cheaper components, but mATX is great.
But I want a cute yet powerful rig.

>>58616497
Where will you use that power ? If you have 1080@60 single screen, you're one of those people with more money than sense

>>58616375
I live in a country where buying components seconds hand always has a chance of being carded, I don't want to steal myself, but if so happens I at least don't want to be stolen from

>>58616553
I might buy a new monitor, I don't know.
I just can't get enough. I've never had a completely overkill build before.
There is no such thing as "overkill" hardware anyway. You can always use that extra power for downsampling or whatever. I'm a framerate autist too and I go crazy when it drops below 60.

>>58616681
Well knock yourself out, if you have the budget, don't take a loan out to build a PC though

Any recommendations on a 27 inch 60hz WQHD IPS panel?

I'm conflicted betweek Skylae/Z170 and Kabylake/Z270 for my new build. What annoys me of that I'd have to use Windows 10 for the latter.

>>58616979
Kabylake/Z270 and don't be a fucking baby about the OS, if you were planning to run linux, you wouldn't even consider it then and if you plan to run older windows, stop clinging onto old shit that has all the flaws of new shit too

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Hey guys,

So, after years of running my FX 8350 on stock, I've decided to OC it with the purchase of a new case and a Noctua NH-D15. Temps are fine and rarely go above 50c.

Now, my board is a pizza shit. It's a Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3P with only a 4+1 phase connector for the chip. Is this a problem for the VRM when overclocking on higher voltages? trying to go above 0.200v at reasonable temps on load, my chip downclocks and the multiplier goes to x7 from x20 even though the cores, socket, or any readout temps have reached the thermal limit. Also all throttling BIOS features have been disabled.

Would I be able to get a cheap 990x ASRock board off eBay and be able to achieve a higher clock?

>>58617023
>don't be a fucking baby about the OS

>not wanting botnet is being a baby

oy vey

>>58617057
>other windows version aren't the same botnet
Anyway yes stop being a baby, if you're afraid of botnet, install fucking linux

Are there any downsides to recycling my 7 year old power supply for my new build? It has plenty Watt and the improved energy efficiency doesn't seem worth it.

>>58617081
>other windows version aren't the same botnet

They aren't.

Linux is shit for video games.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/48C4JV

Had a change of role with work and now work from home 9 days of the fortnight. Boss knows I'm a nerd so as a sneaky unofficial bonus he's allowing me to spend $2K odd instead of the usual company Dell XPS and dock. He rules. Anyway, what you think of this? It's indulgent but I don't get to keep any cash. I'll be connected to the office via Citrix XenApp so don't need much local storage.

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Thinking about upgrading my pchave had it for 3 years, doesnt really pack the punch it once did. Was wondering what I should go through first. Thanks for the help

>>58617328
Just get a new gpu and you should be okay

>>58617328
new GPU and SSD

Can anyone tell me if this is actually feasible?

I want to get this motherboard: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157352 and pair it with two ebay xeons.
>www.ebay.com/itm/112156135689

Supposedly this model of xeon has an unlocked multiplier, and I'd be able to overclock it. Is this actually possible? What about with two processors?
>http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2594969

I need the legacy PCI, also. For reasons.

>>58617338
any recommendations? been thinking between 480 or 1060, will these be able to handle 1440p if i decide this way as well?

>>58617359
480 and 1060 won't do 1440p very well. They are great cards for 1080p though

>>58617359
they're marketed as 1440p cards, but don't expect ultra settings and stable framerate
In the long run 480 seems a better and even cheaper choice

>>58617368
>>58617377
Thanks for all the help, im also just consdering getting a nice 144hz monitor over 4k one

>>58617389
4k is a meme, 1440p is the golden standart, but 1440@144 would require a very strong GPU to drive, but of course there's always a possibility of playing on 720p or capped at 60hz while on normal usage you could use the glorious native res and refresh rate

Is there any difference in Displayport cables other than design/the lock mechanism
Are there different revisions of cable or only the ports matter ? I have a shitty dp cable that has terrible locking and was wondering if buying a new one would benefit in any other place too

>>58617682
Yes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort

>>58617710
So I got fucking jewed when I asked what the fucking revision of the cable was and they said they don't differ
I got double jewed that the fucking new display came with DVI instead of at least HDMI

>>58617758
Nah I think that generally the DP cable will work even if it says it's for 1.1 or something

>>58617389
For an affordable compromise, you can get SIPS/PLA panels at 75+ hz. If you've never seen it, 75Hz is enough for stuff to look "too smooth" of a framerate, and although some screens don't advertise it, they can overclock. I had a first-gen dumpster 1440p that only overclocked to 67Hz, but my buddies $170 SIPS ebay monitor could get 75Hz on HDMI.

They do ghost at higher framerates, easily, but since it's not doing 3d or anything it's not noticeable. 1440p 75FPS is much better than a 120/144hz 3d TNshit, and won't ruin your bank account like the power and cost of a system and monitor capable of running at 4k would be.

>>58617787
generally working is settling for worse, never settle(Fuck isn't this applel slogan or something)
My monitor has USB hub and I was wondering if maybe it doesn't carry through DP because of the cable(or again, the monitor isn't perfect, it was a fairly cheap one, maybe it's the monitors fault), because I've read that DP carries USB signal

Reminder that if you want windows 7 you have two options: buy from a company that is actively colluding to force obsolescence on a product that was promised support for another half a decade, jump through a bunch of hoops and hacks, and still potentially have issues

or just fucking buy AMD

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Any recc's on a new Mobo + CPU + Ram combo? Need to probably upgrade my PSU too.

>>58613328
https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/kjM4JV
Gaming, "nVidia" game titles (AMD fanboiiis stop breaking my balls), around 950 euro, Italy.

I'm not sure about the HDD and Mobo, otherwise a great build imo desu

>>58618033
Needs an SSD

>>58618033
get 2x8 ram or 1x8 and 1x8 of the same later if money is a problem now
Also like other anon stated, SSD
Can't help with motherboards since it's a hassle comparing them and looking for what you want

Best place to get cheap DDR3 RAM that's isn't for servers and shit? I want to max out to 32GB of RAM while I can since my 3570K won't go obsolete due to >Intel.

Also good graphics for $300 AUD? Keep in mind I could buy used RAM and used graphics cards

>>58618076
>used
Local listing ?

>>58618089
Not an option, in a small city, not many options

>>58618129
ship from a bigger city ?

Vega won't have a 480-equivalent available on launch, will it? Because I need a card now and that's my price range.

>>58618076
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231569&ignorebbr=1

32GB DDR3 RAM kit on Newegg

>>58618146
Get a 1050ti, it's not that different from 480, or 480 itself, or 470.

>>58618146
On the same boat, but as far as I know, yes, they won't only after some time
Also if you need a card now, VEGA is still few months in the future

>>58618214
>1050ti
>480
No, the 480 is a few % slower or faster than the 1060. The 1050ti is 470 tier.

Also fuck Nvidia, fuck the Gsync tax, and fuck non-SLI-enabled low end cards.

>>58618268
1060 is 2% faster in avg, 470 is only 10-15% slower than the 480 and 1050ti is +/- 15% slower than 1060, that makes it around the same as 470, maybe a bit better

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>>58618268
>Also fuck Nvidia, fuck the Gsync tax, and fuck non-SLI-enabled low end cards.

sad amd fanboys be sad

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How is it possible the CPU's temp is lower than ambient (this being 18ºC).

The CPU is under a H100i.

>>58618654
>Speccy 1.30.730

Enjoy your fake temps.

>>58618559
>Slurp slurp slurp charge me more for features master
Nvidrones sure are kinky

>>58618690
Which one do you suggest?

>>58619024
HWinfo

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2RLFHN
Case is custom. I stuffed an ATX motherboard in an ITX-sized case. Best machine.

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>>58619054
Could it be the CPU's sensor itself is faulty?

>>58619093
Yes

>>58619106
What the fuck do I do then?

I bought it from my country's amazon and their return policy is very flexible. I'll probably return it and get a 7700k in a week or so.

>>58619125
No

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nice video game consoles

>>58619146
Yes

I'm running out of usb ports, can anyone recommend me a usb pci-e card?

>>58619759
how

Is there any point in getting an ssd just for the os, or should I just put games on it too?

whats the best 1070 I can get for around 400-420?

The MSI?, which one?

>>58619910
OS+all the programs and if you have space might as well put one or two games

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Is "Pre-Build PCs are shit" more than just a meme, or is pic related actually a good offer ?

I'm new to pc building btw.

>>58620203
Are you new to using search engines?

>>58620232

Kinda. Is 1900 bucks very high or something ?

>>58615386
Likely that your platform is still relevant. If you needed all that RAM, you needed it. But clearly only buy what you need because tech moves fast

>>58619890
I have a lot of USB devices, my keyboard & mouse, my fiio e10,an external DVD drive,a USB Bluetooth dongle,and a couple of externals that stat connected so I'm almost out.

>>58620519
Stay*

Should I buy DDR3 or DDR4 for my semi-ambitious build ?

Hey /pcbg/. With the recent announcement of the Tekken 7 specs, I have a question about my rig. I have a gtx 760 and minimum specs are a gtx 660. When I compare them online, the 660 comes out on top. Will I need to upgrade? Sorry if this may sound really dumb.

I think my mobo is failing so I need a new one.

I'm not a gamesfag (for the most part) and I'm poor right now.

What is a good mobo I can get cheap, possibly cheap.

>>58620594
Depends on the processor.
Skylake and up, DDR4.

Anything AMD and before skylake, DDR3.

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>>58620636
possibly used*

>>58620203
>Windows 10

First time PC builder from Europe here:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bVrKNN

Used for gaming and programming when working from home.
Any feedback?

>>58620947
The NH-U14S apparently outperforms the NH-D14, (I don't doubt that, I own one myself) and the NH-D15 is essentially two NH-U14S put together.

Either get an NH-U14S to make installation easier for yourself or go balls to the walls and get an NH-D15. In any case, it looks like a good build.

Any good displays released lately? I want to get a 144Hz at-least 1440p display

>>58619759
Just look for shit with good customer reviews. Hardware sites aren't too big on expansion cards other than graphics cards and SSDs so you're going to have to do some research yourself.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=pcie+usb&ignorear=0&N=-1&isNodeId=1

>>58620978
really? would not have guessed.
How are their sound level compared?

Thoughts on ADATA SP550? I got a m.2 to minimize wires.

>>58620653

Thanks famerino

>>58621113
The fan that comes on the NH-U14S is the same fan that comes on the NH-D15, and the NH-D15 has two of them. In theory the NH-D15 would be louder but the fans are dead silent anyway so I don't think it would make a ton of difference.

>>58620636
How the fuck can that question be answered unless you state your CPU?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/B24ZGf


rate me

>>58621459
Why are you using a mATX case for an ITX board?

>>58621459

meme/10

>>58615064
Do you actually NEED more I/O than B250 has? Because otherwise that seems pretty steep price considering the difference faster RAM would make, not even considering the cost of the RAM itself.

>>58616592
It's a joke, half the people here are probably using a pirated copy of Windows

>>58615678
You want a good quality PSU(preferably one manufactured by Seasonic or superflower, although some other manufacturers make good units as well - do note that manufacturere !=the brand on the box), the rating is secondary(although PSUs with better rating are more likely to be good otherwise as well). I wouldn't get a PSU that doesn't have 80+ bronze or better, though, and for the price(a good 80+ gold isn't much more expensive than a good 80+ bronze with similar wattage, these days) you might as well consider getting a gold rated unless you're on a really tight budget.

>>58621459
Get an adequate ITX case and 3000/3200 RAM and you're good to go.

>>58615707
Literally nothing to do with Intel and AMD and everything to do with Microsoft. Microsoft doesn't want you to use x CPU with their OS, they just don't include the support for it in the kernel and Intel and AMD can complain all they want but it won't change anything.

>>58615731
All it means is that Microsoft isn't updating the kernel on 7 and 8 to support those processors. Nothing to do with the CPUs themselves.

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https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/dtdGVY

biting the bullet and giving Win10 a go

-

>>58620203
That actually looks decent(they even list the MOBO and the PSU), just overpriced and with a terribly weak GPU considering the rest of the specs, assuming you were planning to use it primarily for gaming.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/c2BhGf

>>58620203

That's not a computer for gaming, that's one for heavy video editing.

>>58622039
>>58621955


ah, I understand. Thanks for the input.

>>58622054

Gaming you want an i5-K or an i7 non K with a 1070 or 1080

>>58622068
is an i-5k really that necessary? is there that much a difference between a 6600k and a regular 6600?

>>58622068
>i7 non K
Eh... I don't see much point in getting non-K version of an i7. The price difference isn't very much considering what you're already paying, and you lose the option to overclock down the line. And if you want the best value for money, for gaming you'll stick with an i5 anyway.

>>58621061
K

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I have been looking for a 700-750W PSU, which is quiet, and my budget is around 75-90 USD. It will cost me way more, because I live in a shithole with 27% VAT.

>>58622087
If you're getting non-K i5, just go with the 6500. Price difference between 66 and 65 isn't worth it

>>58622087
Well... you pay premium for a 6600k(not to mention needing to buy a cooler and paying extra for the motherboard if you actually plan to OC), but you should be able to easily OC it to around 4.5 GHz(higher than that, if you get lucky with silicon lottery and have a good motherboard) compared to 3.3GHz stock the 6600 has. So that's around 35% faster, making it rather good value. That extra speed isn't really necessary right now(unless you plan to use 120Hz screen or something), but at the current pace of advancement in CPUs it'll mean you won't have to worry about upgrading your CPU until your motherboard breaks. An OC'd 2500k is still pretty good for gaming, but a regular 2500 is already slower than a new 6100.

>>58622257

>price difference
>price difference

You're getting an objectively better piece of material. There is a lot of difference between a 6500 and and 6600K even before you overclock.

But I mention i5-K or stock i7 because there are games that can take and advantage of hyperthreading or a solid overclock. But if you get a stock i7 you can save money on a stock CPU cooler or an H170 motherboard.

>>58622415
Read the fucking post. I said between the 6500 and the 6600 NON FUCKING K

>>58622029
expensive, but that's your best bet for gaming. maybe a different case but that's the only thing.

>>58622434

>Rrreeeeeeeeee

There's no point in suggesting an i5 to someone who was just looking at a €1899 machine. But I don't think you took that into consideration.

>>58622505

A stock i5*

>>58622505
Holy fuck, you have severe retardation and should contact a mental health professional immediately. I will quote the post to which I replied: "is an i-5k really that necessary? is there that much a difference between a 6600k and a regular 6600?"

>>58622556


Guys, I'm not even interested in that PC, I was just wondering if the high price was justified.

Thanks for the info. Please don't get too worked up about this tho.

>>58622556

There is a big difference. There's enough of a difference to always go after the K

Because if you're going to go after the 6600, might as well go for the 6500, but then you might as well just get a 4690K, but then the 4690 is cheaper, so why not just get a 4670? Yes instead of the 6600K i should get a 4670 because you willingly allowed the slippery slope to happen.

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Anyone knows what's happening with my ram? In BIOS it's set to 2133 but for some reason neither speccy nor cpu-z can read it.

Why shouldn't I go MicroATX? The only difference I see is lack is PCIe and I'm probably not going to SLI/Crossfire ever.

>>58622630

6600K with a 1070 will get you 1440p @70fps. If you buy a 1080 you can play most games at 4K and anything maxed at 1440p.

The other guy is just a normie who is getting upset.

>>58622630
This is fucking 4chan. If you don't want to see people arguing, go on tumblr. And yw

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>>58622068
>i7 non K

>>58622693

You covered both responses. ATX vs ITX means no multiple GPU and only two sticks of RAM. But thanks to liquid coolers and good fans you can use the ITX form factor to build a quality machine.

>>58622671
it's reading it perfectly. what's the issue?

haven't done much research on cases, is there a good mid tower case that will fit a BD optical drive?

Or do I need to get a full tower if I want an optical drive?

>>58622700
$315 for a 6700
$330 plus $50-$80 for a good cooler for 6700K

>>58622723
Frequency is at 1066 even though it's set to 2133 in BIOS.

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>>58622735
>mid tower
>good

it's always a compromise.

do yourself a favour and get pic related

>>58622667
Nice strawman, autismo. There's a difference between choosing to buy a .1GHz slower but $25 cheaper CPU and buying something from a previous generation. Also, the 4670 costs more than a 6600, you utter fucking imbecile.

>>58622735

Go to pcpartpicker, use the sliders to find one with external 5.25" drives, and ATX, then find one that suits you. There are dozens. But you would have to buy the drive and install it yourself.

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>>58622749
>DDR

what does it stand for?

>>58622696

I'm not the one shitting his pants in autistic anger, senpai.

Just wanted to let you know, that you're arguing a mute point, since I don't give a shit about the PC, meaning I will neither use it for gaming, nor for video rendering.

>>58622749
Learn what DDR actually means.

>>58622769

Then it must be better

>>58622781

Dance Dance Revolution

>>58622796
No, it's 5-10% worse. Do your research before debating anything.

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>>58622781
>>58622786
oh shit I am retarded

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https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/c4xRCy

Is this shit even going to function?
Need it to play runescape

>>58622783
I'm debating for the sake of debating and to point out how retarded this faggot is. No, I don't have anything better to do with my time. Yes, I have a job and am getting a college education. Now, fuck off

>>58622811
This.

>>58622856
>i5-6402P
where did you even find that?

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>>58622781

Deutsche Demokratische Republik !

what's a good / cheap full tower that has a big ass window on the side so i can finally be a man with no taste ?
If possible, i'd like a case with no marking, like Lian Li does (but without the retarded price tag.) the color doesn't matter since i'll paint the case.

>>58622780
>But you would have to buy the drive and install it yourself.
I know that, just curious, any company suggestions?

>>58622856
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/tj6N2R

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Will I be able to perform a PCI-Pasthrough with this ?

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/br4ZGf

The GPU and CPU are supporting Visualization as well as iommu and the CPU is equipped with integrated graphics. The only requirement left is iommu and uefi support on the motherboard. I can't seem to find info on the board. Can anybody help ?

>>58622860

you seem a bit insecure, famalam ;)

>>58623026
Whatever you say, faggo

>>58623008
You can use pretty much any graphics card in a passthrough mode provided that the drivers for the card is installed with the Hypervisor rather than after the virtual machine is created.
The GPU virtualization support is in regards to splitting or sharing GPU resources with virtual machines from the host, which is only supported by a certain range of AMD FirePro S-Series cards with MxGPU hardware virtualization and all Nvidia Quadro cards.

>>58623062

>faggo

shure, gaylord.

>>58623080
?

>>58623079

So it should pretty much work in regards to the GPU since I'm planning on using the integrated CPU graphics for my Linux Host and dedicate the GPU solely to the Windows guest.

What about the mobo ? It's hard to find info on it.

>>58623102

!

>>58623106
>I'm planning on using the integrated CPU graphics for my Linux Host
That's not how it works. Most Hypervisors don't even use the integrated graphics, but rely on software-based graphics virtualization.

>>58621156
>>58620636

sorry i5 5670k

also calm down sperg

>>58623138

Are we both talking about a PCI Passthorugh using KVM/qemu ?

>>58623153
>5670k
You mean 4670K. Broadwell only had the 5675C.

>>58623132
...

>>58623173
Yeah. I don't know what I'm doing. 4670k.

My current board is a z87- G45

>>58623172
If you're talking about using an iGPU, then a PCI passthrough is impossible. You're trying to use an RX 480, which will work in a PCI passthrough, and the iGPU which won't by default. The VMs not using the 480 will be using software virtualization for the graphics output.

>>58623226

The iGPU will be used for the host. The RX480 will be passed through to the guest.

>>58618429
Eh not really

>>58623242
Oh, you're using a Type-II hypervisor and not two separate Type-Is. Nevermind then.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/syjRCy
What do you guys think of this?
Purpose/goal: 1440p/60hz gaming with modest overclocking and low temps/noise.
Budget: None set, but around $1300 Ideally

I really like the Zotac AMP! card, but it's really tough to fit, aesthetically, into most builds with windows. I decided that instead of avoiding the cheesy look of the card, I would embrace it and spend a little bit of money turning the build into kind of an aerospace/military aesthetic. I really don't know what case I should be using for this, but definitely want an atx mid. S340, which I normally love, will kind of subdue the cheesy look that this build is going for.

>>58618429
470 beats the 1060 3gb most of the time
You're pulling shit out of your ass

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>>58613328
So let me get this right, Kaby just launched but prices remained the same?
How so??

>>58623337
The regular i7 got like 10 bucks cheaper

>>58623287
just because nvidia gimps their lower GB model, doesn't mean that 6gb model is only "a little" bit better than 470

So how much of a difference does hyperthreading make? Would it be worth it to go from an i5 3570k to a i3 7300 or 7100? I want to get a portable mATX build instead of my bigass full sized rig and replace my HD7850 with a RX470 or 480 but I'm on a tight budget.

I'm not concerned about the gaming performance but things like video editing, am I going to notice going from 4 to 2 cores?

>>58623373
Doesn't mean 1050ti is "around the same" as 470, either. The 1050ti is shit, and the only reason to get it is if you have shitty PSU or otherwise can't get a decent GPU.

>>58623452
If you are in the market for a 1050ti, I don't see why you wouldn't just hunt down a craigslist/ ebay/ anywhere used gtx 960 for presumably cheaper. The only exception being for upgrading prebuilt OEM office grade computers.

>>58623381
Hyperthreading is about 30% performance increase per cycle compared to 100% from doubling the number of cores(assuming tasks that scale to the desired number of threads, obviously). If the 3570k is at stock, a 7300 ought to perform about the same or maybe a little worse, but overclocked 3570k would be significantly better than a 7300.

I'm planning to do an itx build with i5-7400 and gtx 1060 6gb, is there a board with b250 chip that's in itx format?

>>58623512
This. Games are making good use of at least 4 cores now. Beyond? Questionable except in a few titles. But most games want 4 physical cores at a good clock speed.
For professional work, the physical cores are even more important. Video encoding is pretty parallelized. I wouldn't swap unless you are going from i5 -> new -i5.

>>58623722
not that I see, but pcpartpicker is listing two h270 boards, one from asrock and one from gigabyte.
I wouldn't recommend using the 7400. The 7500 gives a 400mhz base clock increase for a measly $10 more.

>>58623755
>But most games want 4 physical cores at a good clock speed.
Eh...MOST games still run just fine on 2 cores with SMT. You're completely right about professional work, though.

>>58623794

I'm in Eastern Yurop, price difference is actually quite significant between 7400 and 7500.

>>58623817
how different? Also what price is the 6500? The 6500 runs 200mhz faster than the 7400 at about the same IPC and 100mhz more turbo clock. 6400 > 7400 > 6500 > 7500

>>58623859
I fucked up my > < symbols but you get the idea

>>58623859

6500 is more expensive than 7500.

For the difference in price 7500 - 7400 i could buy a Phanteks case for example, so that's like 400 mhz or pretty good case.

>>58613328
What manufacturer is a good for PSUs? Or does it not matter as long as they're 80 PLUS Gold? Going for 850W.

Build is:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jXLpFd

Yes, I overspent on Motherboard. More money than sense.

>>58623817
Shame, I'm also in EE but the difference is only like 17 euros or less

>>58623942
what about the price difference in motherboards? There's TONS of itx skylake boards out. I'm only seeing a handfull of itx kaby lake boards, and they are pricey. Granted, this is US pricing I'm looking at. You may save 20 bucks or so on the cpu but spend that same 20 bucks or more buying a more expensive mobo.
If you've already worked out what the best deal for you is, disregard everything I've posted thus far.

>>58623941
Seasonic, Superflower, and FSP are the major OEMs. Find a PSU you want to use and look up the review on JohnnyGuru

>>58623976
Kaby lake should work just fine on skylake motherboards assuming they have updated BIOS.

>>58623976
I thought the question was about 7400 vs 7500, didn't really read into it too much, just checked the price

>bought refurbished skylake B150 mobo for cheap
>bought kabylake processor
>was foolish enough to believe BIOS would be updated
>tfw no skylake CPU to update the BIOS

>>58623941
Consider the NH-U14S or the NH-D15 over the NH-D14. The case choice is okay, but it hasn't aged well and there's more modern choices that are cheaper. There's really no reason to go for a full tower with modern hardware unless you're doing something crazy with watercooling.

>>58624003
Out of the box, no, the bios usually won't be updated. You can get a physical retail store to do it for you though. They may charge if you aren't purchasing the cpu and/or motherboard from them.

>>58624026
I already have the case so it's really just saving myself money by reusing it.

>>58624047
Should have marked it as "purchased" to avoid confusion.

>>58624026
>>58624047
Which case would you recommend as an alternative if I were to decide to upgrade my case?

>>58624060
My bad, I'm new to using pcpartpicker. Didn't use it last time I built my computer

>>58624072
Any particular reason for the 6800k? Lots of video editing? If you are gaming, I imagine an aggressively overclocked 7700k will give better performance than a 6800k. Most games (battlefield 1 being an excpetion) prefer clock speed and IPC to core count. Seems you aren't using many features of the x99 platform like extra PCIE lanes, etc.

>>58624025
ask a local parts store, or craigslist to let you use the kaby for a minute as you flash it

Whats the difference in ram timing.

I see two identical ram same model and everything but one says:

timing: 16-8-8-8-etc cost 150$

other is:

timing: 14-8-8-8-etc: cost 170$

>>58624112
Yeah, I'm planning on getting into video editing, digital drawing, and I do a lot of multitasking as it is. I'm thinking I'll overclock it up to about 4Ghz.

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>>58624063
If you're adamant about sticking to EATX, Phantek's Enthoo line is pretty good, as are Corsair and NZXT cases. If you can go ATX, Fractal Design cases and Cooler Master's MasterCase series are also good.

>>58623280
p-please respond?

>>58624274
>paying for windows
>4gb ram sticks

>>58624293
I'm going to Kinguin the os key probably. What's wrong with the ram? If I need 16gb later down the line it should be really easy to populate the other 2 dimms. Can't see myself ever needing beyond that.

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>>58613328
Is m.2 SSDs a meme or is it something worth investing in?

>>58624369
You will never be able to take full advantage of them.

>>58624369
>>58624385
but you will get the advantage of not using any cables and saving space
IIRC they're not that much more expensive

>>58624274
It's Mediocore.

>>58624424
There's a $30 price difference between the Samsung 950 EVO (NVME M.2) and the Samsung 850 EVO (SATA 2.5").

>>58624424
sata m.2 drives are usually the same price or just a couple bucks more.
NVME m.2 drives are about 40% price premium most of the time.
If that anon was referring to the nvme interface, and not the m.2 form factor, then I'd say it's not worth buying. Mx 300 m.2 sata is great though.

>>58624114
That's what I'm doing right now ;_;
Learning the hard way in my first build

>>58624693
if you used pcpartpicker it would have told you thgere would be a problem.

Haven't really paid much interest to processor advancement in a while, because I haven't had to build a new PC in a while, but I see this guy constantly posting about Kaby Lake awareness, and I need to buy a new premium laptop, preferably in the next 6 weeks.

Why is Kaby Lake such a big deal? Should I wait till there are a wide range of laptops with these processors before getting my new one?

Is there anything special I need to know in order to migrate OS and data from an older hard drive to a newer SSD? I don't want to have to reinstall software and desktop and whatnot.

The problem is the old drive is a larger HDD than the new SSD, though not as far as actually used space goes. I only really need to transfer the OS partition.

>>58615593
That's probably the gigabyte gaming G1
Apparently the G1 gaming 1070 has bad cool whine
The gigabyte Windforce is the cheapest I know of

>>58617414
"Native upsampling" is a fucking meme, 720p shit still looks like 720p shit on a 1440p monitor, and 1080p still looks sufficiently sharp

>>58617814
It isn't. There should be a USB/FireWire looking port in the back, that goes to your PC USB port as passthrough and the normal monitor USB ports should work

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>>58618146
Why don't you get a 480?

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mBG2BP

Tear my ass apart, senpai.

>>58618268
SLI is fucking shit and more often than no gsync works better than low-end monitor freesync, as gsync needs to be licensed and freesync can be made by just anybody
I mean market practices are shitty and all but don't be a retarded trying to prove a point

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/QDZHnn

Are these the best parts for the build of this budget? Also I am missing an SSD

>>58624890
It does work, but that's an extra cable, if it can support USB through DP, i'd like it to do so
Of course if the problem is in the cable itself, it's easily fixed, but if the monitor doesn't support it, so be it

>>58620609
>compare than online
Are you looking at actual benchmarks or using some fucking dipshit canned comparison generator website?

>>58622693
MATX can totally handle two-card sli

>>58622693
Literally no reason not to

>>58623452
1050ti has power connectors and is quite powerful (I still wouldn't put it anywhere near a 480's level personally), it's the 1050 you're thinking of

>>58624931
Yeah it's the monitor
You do know that USB port is there for a reason?
I doubt you can even recieve USB data through your GPU

>>58625013
Not him, but only some versions of the 1050Ti have power connectors. It's (the most powerful) prebuilt card, and you pay a premium for it.

>>58625069
At stock clocks the 1050ti still edges past the PCIe standard power draw limit
It's not a card meant to use PCIe power

>>58625038
Werked on my mashine
Are you maybe talking about win7 install ?

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>>58625166
Okay tell that guy what monitor you have because I don't care enough to even find the post

>>58625153
Wrong

It IS meant to run off mobo power, retard. Doesn't mean that you can't get one with PCIe connectors and OC it, but it is designed as a prebuilt card.

>>58625191
wew lad, had a stroke, thought that post was from even another thread, I should go to sleep

>>58625208
It's a video graphics card, entry level (it's not being marketed to budget gaymers because gaymers sell PCs), that happens to exceed the PCIe wattage specification at stock clocks
It's a $150 GPU, it's not meant for anyone except who's willing to buy it
And you can bet your ass IEMs will keep sticking with the pile of OEM 960s they've been trying to get rid of

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Here is what I got guys, can I save more money in the motherboard or in the GPU?

If I can on the GPU I want something that's good not just cheaper.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/shPvNN

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/shPvNN

>>58625429
What's the resolution and framerate you're aiming for, could change 1070 for a 480

>>58625448

eventually 1440, but I might be playing at 1080 for a while.

>>58625429
Get 3000MHz RAM, enable XMP in BIOS

Why can't you read the fucking OP?

>>58625461
at 60 fps ? 480 will do fine for 1080@60 and should do fine on 1440p as long as you're not aiming at ultra settings

>>58625483
>1440p as long as you're not aiming at ultra settings

thats the thing tho, I might just end up becoming a graphics whore If I like that res at 60 and want something that has my back.

>>58625516
Well unless you want to WAIT FOR X, not much where to save money on that build, only where to improve
Unless you'd go non Z motherboard and non K CPU