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>>58569871
communist
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>>58569871
>FREEDOM
... to work for nothing.
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>>58569916
>>58569938
Free as in freedom, not beer; you're free to sell free software.
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>>58569976
... but you're not allowed to sell modifications.
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>>58569998
Every Android phone on the market says otherwise.
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>>58570022
because everyone will always obey muh ganoo license
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>>58570022
Kevin, Google has released their modifications and Google doesn't charge for Android. You're fucking stupid. Go to bed.
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>>58570088
Its still part of a product that they sell.

You can try to argue otherwise but you know I am right. Android phones easily make up 50% of the phone market, and those products include modified Linux.
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>>58570158
>Its still part of a product that they sell.
Google doesn't sell Android.

>>58570158
>You can try to argue otherwise but you know I am right.
How much does Android license cost?

>Android phones easily make up 50% of the phone market, and those products include modified Linux.
Yes, it's modified but Google doesn't sell it and they provide modifications.
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>>58570243
Yes they do.
Its included in Pixel and Nexus devices, which are sold.
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>>58570273
>Yes they do.
>Its included in Pixel and Nexus devices, which are sold.
They don't sell the Android, they sell you hardware that the thing is on. Android is free and open source.

What they sell is a license to use their trademark, the Android.

Still, they don't sell anything that's GPL'ed.
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>>58570022
>>58570158
>>58570273
Hi there!

You seem to have made a bit of a mis take in your post. Luckily, the users of 4chan are always willing to help you clear this problem right up! You appear to have used a tripcode when posting, but your identity has nothing at all to do with the conversation! Whoops! You should always remember to stop using your tripcode when the thread it was used for is gone, unless another one is started! Posting with a tripcode when it isn't necessary is poor form. You should always try to post anonymously, unless your identity is absolutely vital to the post that you're making!

Now, there's no need to thank me - I'm just doing my bit to help you get used to the anonymous image-board culture!
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>>58570334
>They don't sell the Android
But they literally do, with devices that run Android, so you are wrong.
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>>58570388
>But they literally do, with devices that run Android, so you are wrong.
Okay, how much does Android cost? Can you point me to price of it?
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>>58570489
Pixel runs you about $650.
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>>58570525
I don't care about hardware, I just want t buy the OS.
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>>58570559
So don't buy it then.
Most developers will.
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I just went by a bad experience. What am I supposed to do if a drive dies when it's on the fstab? I had a live image lying around on a flash drive, but given that it was Debian and I was running a Maxwell nvidia card, I had to do tedious things to finally boot of it. What the fuck would I even do without a live image?
Also, any suggestions for a live distro that supports the biggest amount of hardware?
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>>58570648
>What the fuck would I even do without a live image?
Maybe have more than one computer.
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Does lynda.com have a download limit? I was thinking about paying for a month to download a bunch of linux courses.
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Any decent solution for consumer printing under linux?
It seems most printers drivers are partially supported.
Current printer can't scan files and can't print unless using the highest possible quality.
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Hey guys, I'm taking a systems programming course, we are required to use linux for coding. I've never used linux other than dual booting Ubuntu just for the memes some years ago. What's a good distro? We're just going to be doing assembly so it doesn't really matter much which one I use. I mostly want something comfy, user friendly and nice looking. I was considering grabbing elementary OS but if anyone can suggest other distros I'll be thankful and glad to try them out
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>>58570825
Elementary is fine.
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>>58570648
Parted Magic, multiple copies.
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>>58570821
GNU/Linux*
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>>58570825
see >>58571146
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What is tmux and what is it good for?
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>>58571163
it's like screen, a terminal multiplexer
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>>58571171
W-what?
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>>58569871
Is there a way to check that the system works fine after installing Ubuntu?

Some of the first updates needed verification, and there was an error (failed to install the updates).
I tried it again, and this time all the updates were installed.

Now I'd like to check if my system is ok.
Yeah, I'm a noob.
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>Wayland is still in a bad state, from a security standpoint it is generally advised to use OpenBSD/MacOS/Windows currently. I find it quite astounding that GNU/Linux has become known as a secure OS when the xserver vulnerabilities have been around for 10+ years.

Is this true? I have just booted Fedora25 on a live USB and Wayland seemed okay on GNOME but I never see anyone else using it here?
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I have an Asus t100 netbook/tablet convertible.
It has currently W10, Atom z3775, 2gb ram and 32gb emmc storage.

What would be a good linux distro which is faster than w10, has good battery life and will work with the touchscreen and doesn't look like W98 (xfce)?
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Regarding GNU/Linux...
If I installed it to a laptop will swapping the HDD to different laptop, create issues regarding drivers/hardware?
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Any distros to avoid except for default post-Amazon Ubuntu?
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>>58571536
My experience with Elementary was terrible.
No real minimize buttons, very few packages, unstable, couldn't have more than one wallpaper.

Maybe suited for your granny who browses.
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>>58571520
Depends. If you use a kernel you compiled yourself and removed a few drivers from it might not work. If you take your regular mint/ubuntu/debian/fedora/arch you shouldn't encounter a single problem.

>>58571536
Solus. Also be wary of mint and manjaro because their security isn't as good as the other distros.
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>>58571590
>be wary of mint
Isn't it r1 choice for those who want to drop Win those days?
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>>58571590
Manjaros security is good. It's only Mint that blocks updates.
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>>58571621
Yeah but their website was hacked some time ago and the iso was replaced with something else. It's dangerous.
I'd recommend using debian+cinnamon/mate instead. That's almost what mint is anyway.
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>>58571644
cracked*
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>>58571647
The original term "hacker" was used by MIT administration to talk about people who illegally used telephone lines in order to make long-distance calls.
Nowaday, the term "hacker" is used to talk about people who make illegal use of computers.
Get over it.
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>>58571644
Well the websited hosted the backdoored isos only some hours but then it was fixed, so that's not an issue anymore. The problem with Mint is that they have a blocklist, so packages like systemd, the kernel, dbus, etc don't get any updates.
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>>58571644
Ah, yes, been reading about breach of feb2k16 some time ago.
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>>58571655
A hacker is someone who enjoys playful cleverness—not necessarily with computers. The programmers in the old MIT free software community of the 60s and 70s referred to themselves as hackers. Around 1980, journalists who discovered the hacker community mistakenly took the term to mean “security breaker.”

Please don't spread this mistake. People who break security are “crackers.”
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>>58571641
No it isn't. They let their certs expire multiple times on their websites.

>>58571658
>that's not an issue anymore
It is. Unless they wiped everything and did a clean install on all of their servers there's a chance they're still compromised.
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>>58571668
website != distro
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>>58571668
no it isn't, only for the fools who downloaded an iso at that time, retard
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>>58571676
>Get access to website
>Copy .ssh
>Retard maintainers enabled passwordless auth
>They also sync their .ssh because why the fuck not
>Get access to all the websites the maintainer has access to.
It might still be compromised.
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>>58571588

>very few packages
It uses Ubuntu's repository. Stop being an idiot and spreading misinformation.
I don't encourage the use of such shitty downstream distributions, but at least get your facts right.
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>>58571687
s/websites/machines/
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What's the best way to create a Recovery image/ System backup in GNU/Linux?
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>>58571705
dd, but why not rsync
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Hey /g/, what's the best lightweight and user-friendly distro for daily use?
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>>58571644
>>58571658
Should I try to "Install Gentoo"? How it reacts to hardware change? How long can it last till it gets clogged?
[spoiler]Answer for the last one is "eternity", right?[/spoiler]
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>>58571724
Gentoo is a meme. Install Ubuntu.
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>>58571724
I'm running Gentoo on my desktop, laptop and raspberry pi at the moment. It's not worth your while unless you find configuring your computers fun.
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>>58571735
>I'm running Gentoo
why are you wasting precious lifetime, anon?
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>>58571741
It's fun. I enjoy making and breaking my system, although I'll admit I'm thinking about putting debian on my raspi and laptop again.
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>>58571741
Like he said, Gentoo is fun if you simply love to compile your shit with/without the features you like/dislike. Same reason people prefer cli programs to gui or a wm+some tools to a DE.
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>>58571741
time spend with things you love isn't wasted
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>>58571734
>Gentoo is a meme.
I know
>Install Ubuntu.
I'd rather try debian+cinnamon as suggested.
>>58571735
>It's not worth your while unless you find configuring your computers fun.
Well, I gotta find something else than rotting in WoW, why not try gentoo?
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>>58571820
If you're just looking for a way to waste time install a "normal" distro and learn a programming language you don't know. This way you'll waste time and learn useful skills (because knowing how to operate gentoo really isn't that much of a useful skill).
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>>58571829
I can't learn something just for the sake of learning. I remember trying some meme SICP book, dropped after few chapters. Picked up some RegEx when wanted to compile a list of items and where to get them for some war3 custom map. Looking up some .lua files to fix addons on occasion.
Looked up debian, 3 DVDs, 4 GB each. Or 9 CDs, 700M each. At least, there is lightweight netinst.
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Just installed debian. What the fuck am I doing wrong. Literally just pressing next, not even fucking with anything. This is the second time it happened.
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>>58571948
At what point does that appear? Are you able to see the login screen (Display Manager)? Is it after you try to login?

Probably something wrong with X or the DE
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What exactly is sitting on top of the Linux kernel? Can I write a program that runs as the sole process on the system?

I'm having trouble separating Linux from systemd and other pervasive software that can be found in distros.
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>>58571998
After choosing debian in grub.
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>>58571712
Both are for backing up files.
I'm looking for a way to backup OS.
Like windows recovery drive.
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how do I play music on linux without unpacking it?
how do I play music just by drag-and-dropping it into player's queue without bothering with libraries and shit?

is there a native foobar2000 experience?
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>>58572013
Do Ctrl+Alt+F1.
Try to log in. Tell us whether it worked.
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>>58572007
Disclaimer: I don't know shit about anything so I might be wrong.

When Linux boots it looks at /etc/inittab and executes it sequentially almost as a script. Depending on what you write into this file different things will sit on top of linux.
Once linux took care of starting your init system it loads a console you can log into. This console can be replaced by a login manager that basically starts X and lets you log in.
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>>58572154
So file systems are part of Linux -- correct? Since Linux needs it in order to read /etc/inittab.

What exactly is the "console"? I've read things like frame buffer console but to me it's just a terminal emulator. By "replace it with login manager" do you mean you take the console out or just script it to launch X?

Is there some doc I can read that describes what it does at startup and what it offloads to other processes?
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>>58572105
I can login. Now what.
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>>58572105
>>58572274
I can login, if I do startx i get the error screen again.
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>>58572228
>So file systems are part of Linux -- correct?
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by that. yes, Linux has to load FileSystem drivers and / first.

>What exactly is the "console"?
A console is a thing that takes input characters and displays them. It is usually used to display the content of a shell (such as bash, zsh, fish...). The console I was talking about is a very barebones console. The program it runs is usually a barebones login manager, you should be able to see it by doing CTRL+ALT+F1/F2/F3... . You can go back to your graphical session by pressing CTRL+ALT+F7.
Once you log into the tty (a TTY is the thing you display by pressing CTRL+ALT+F1/F2/F3...F7), a shell (bash, zsh, ksh...) is started by the login manager. You can then type "startx" and the X graphics server will "hijack" the display and replace it with a graphical session. If you kill X (with kill -9 for example), you will be brought back to the shell.
Some people chose to replace the barebones login manager by a graphical login manager (they usually do this by changing something in /etc/inittab).
I don't know anything you could read about all of that, sorry.
Try "man init", but I doubt you'll learn much from it.

>>58572303
Do you have a ".xinitrc" file in your home directory? If yes, please show it to us.
If you don't, try creating one and writing "xterm" inside it. Tell us what happens.
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Hey, I have a problem with my external monitor.

I'm using i3 on my Thinkpad T420 (1366x768), and I'd like to connect it to my 1920x1080 external monitor, and then use it with the lid closed.

Problem : the external monitor isn't automatically set to 1920x1080, although xrandr recognizes it (as you can see at the bottom right of pic related). But it is displayed correctly in 1366x768, I have no other issues.

Top right of pic related is the script I'm using to recognize the external monitor, it has execution permission, and is activated by my i3 config file as you can see on the left side of the picture (last line).

Should I add something to that script so it sets my external monitor's resolution to 1920x1080 ?
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>>58572348
Yeah, add something like --mode 1920x1080 to the xrandr command. Use arandr if you need a very minimalist and lightweight GUI.
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Anyone encountered any problems installing debian from netinst?
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>been using arch + i3 for a year
>decided to install a "just werks" distro with my new computer so I don't have to fiddle with config files

>try fedora
>super laggy
>tried to install one of those """approved""" program froms the package manager
>forever pending
>can't install mpv

>try debian
>it crashed during the installation
>it fucking crashed during the installation

Went right back to Arch after this. Never in my linux life something crashed in front of me. What's the point of those "just werks" distro if they really don't work out of the box and you have to fiddle with config files? Now I unsterstand why the common user hates Linux, it fucking sucks.
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>>58572400
me atm
>>58571948
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>>58572400
Never did. What's the issue?
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>>58572418
No issues yet, just planning on installing debian and it's either netinst or gigabytes of burning distro on disks
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>>58572428
Yeah, if you feel like you're up to it (it's not complicated but it can be scary) you should really do a netinstall instead of a traditional install.
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>>58572366
It's working, thanks
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>>58572328
There is no .xinitrc file. I don't know if I'm doing this right, I started nano, typed in xterm and saved it as .xinitrc. I rebooted but I still get the error
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>>58572475
Try switching to another tty, loggin in and typing "startx".
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I want to install Linux on an SSD in such a way that the OS i want to boot can be selected only in BIOS(I don't want my PC to prompt me every time I boot in the dual boot menu). Will I achieve this by disconnecting my harddrive, connecting an SSD, installing Linux on it, and then reconnecting the harddrive back?
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I have a problem on Ubuntu since I installed 16.04. I have amdgpu and every time I boot, X goes into low memory mode, I have to reboot again and then it's all normal.

I switched kernels a bunch of times with no success. Earlier I also needed to reinstall GDM to make the problem go away, now it just works after rebooting and nothing else is needed. I also tried switching DE and WM with no success.

I have no idea how to fix this and Ubuntu forums didn't help either.

http://pastebin.com/mTArVrSV

pls
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>>58572518
Most probably. That's what I did with my desktop.

>>58572523
Name of the GPU? How did you install the amd drivers?
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>>58572477
I get a small white square terminal in the top left corner, that doesn't do anything and i cant type into it.
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>>58572537
First lines on the pastebin:

>GraphicsCard:
> Intel Corporation HD Graphics 5500 [8086:1616] (rev 09) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
> Subsystem: Dell Broadwell-U Integrated Graphics [1028:0643]
> Subsystem: Dell Radeon R7 M260/M265 [1028:0643]

The drivers are the default open-source package that comes with Ubuntu. I couldn't find any others. The old Catalyst drivers don't work anymore since 14.x
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>>58572537
So you're saying it actually works? Good man.
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>>58572559
>>58572523

I also can't go into standby mode, completely freezes everything, not even the keyboard survives.

One of the kernels would let me go into standby, but I had to reinstall GDM before every boot. I can't even
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>>58572518
Why don't you configure your bootloader to not prompt you then? Or wait only 2-3 seconds before loading default chosen system?
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>>58572554
Alright, the problem probably comes from your current DE which didn't finish installing properly. Switch to another tty. Login in. Delete the .xinitrc file. Do
sudo apt-get remove --auto-remove $NAMEOFYOURDESKTOPENVIRONMENT
. Then try installing it again by doing
sudo apt-get install $NAMEOFYOURDESKTOPENVIRONMENT


>>58572565
Yup. Like a charm.

>>58572559
Ah, sorry, didn't bother checking the pastebin link. You seem to be encountering a fuckload of issues. What's the output of dmesg?
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Uhh what happened with my font? I rebooted and got this.
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Okay so I needed a Linux distro so I could legally edit video for the place i work at and it proved to be a nightmare installing any linux on my desktop, courtesy of my GTX 970. I have got Ubuntu Studio working somewhat after everything else failed, but I do have two problems.

1. How can I make it recognize my USB Sound Blaster card every time? Sometimes it lists it as an audio device at boot and sometimes not, it does however recognize the knob everytime and I can adjust the volume levels. Can't play anything through it tho.

2. Every time I scroll thrugh anything the bottom of the screen gets tearing. Installing Compton and adjusting the XFCE compositing did not help.

Any ideas?
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Where can I look what perl -E does? The manpage doesn't show it.
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>>58572597
A few relevant lines on dmesg:
>[ powerplay ] VBIOS did not find boot engine clock value in dependency table. Using Memory DPM level 0!
>[drm] Initialized amdgpu 3.8.0 20150101 for 0000:04:00.0 on minor 1

The rest is here but I can't see anything relevant http://pastebin.com/PcjySi8Y
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>>58572737
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
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>>58572722
Your monospace font probably has been replaced with webdings. You can probably change that in your fonts.conf

>>58572747
Looks like it does the same thing as perl -e.
(In a script passed to Perl via -e switches, each -e is counted as one line.)
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Does the HDD need to be mounted to see it's health with smartctl?
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Does using this
lpr -o raw -p foo file.pdf

Provide any advantage regarding printing speed?
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>>58572846
Who's this titty monster
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How do I upgrade a very pristine netinstall of Debian Jessie, to testing without fucking it up?
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>>58573077
Just replace jessie with testing in /etc/apt/sources.list and do a dist-upgrade.
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>>58572597
>Alright, the problem probably comes from your current DE which didn't finish installing properly. Switch to another tty. Login in. Delete the .xinitrc file.
I reinstalled the DE but I got the same problem. I also reinstalled debian twice with different de's and it always gives me that error screen.
I should have done this sooner, but here's the pic of messages after pressing ctrl + alt + F1. Seeing noveau, my guess is that it has to do with graphics card, since this is a laptop with hybrid graphics.
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>>58573090
Pic
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>>58573090
>>58573101
Did yo< install the non-free firmware?
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>>58573088
Will try in an hour.
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>>58573142
Probably, I got the netinstal iso from /cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.7.1+nonfree/amd64
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>>58573101
Try
sudo modprobe -r "$(grep -i 'nouveau' /proc/modules)"

And then startx to see if it does anything.
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found this on /dpt/, pretty neat
alias sinewave='for((;;i++)){ printf "%$(bc -l<<<"a=20*s($i/10);scale=0;a/1+20")s|\n";sleep .05;}'
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>>58573237
you can remove modules by name only without the full path too
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>>58573247
Thanks, my compute doesn't boot now
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>>58569938
MIT is more free than GNU
GNU
>forces you to use the license or a copyleft equivalent on all derivative works
MIT
>do whatever you want as long as you credit the author
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>>58570821
I use a brother printer and it has full support for any Debian derivative

Search your manufacturer's website
>>
In the man page for crontab there is the following section:
"The "out-of-the-box" behaviour for crontab -l is to display the three
line "DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE" header that is placed at the beginning of
the crontab when it is installed. The problem is that it makes the
sequence

crontab -l | crontab -

non-idempotent -- you keep adding copies of the header."

My question now is: Why would I use the command they list there. I don't really understand the problem here.
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>>58573291
>do whatever you want
and here's the problem
whatever you want includes making the program proprietary
when you choose a free license, you want the program to stay free; the GPL ensures that
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>>58573304
>Search your manufacturer's website
It's HP All-in-one Deskjet F300.
HP Printers - Driver Support for Linux OS

For Linux downloads, HP recommends another website. If you need to download Linux drivers, you will be directed to a website that is outside HP Customer Support.

And that's it no re-directing, no hplip.
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>>58573358
yeah HP is a shitty company, sorry
>>
>>58573339
Thats not freedom.

If TiVo wants to use open source software in their products and consumers willingly pay for it knowing full well that parts are open source, that's their right too. Why do you think so many non crazy developers have stuck with GPL2 now? Your license doesn't need to infect everything it touches
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>>58573291
Paradoxically, freedom has to be actively protected, as otherwise it includes the freedom to limit and/or end freedom. So no, MIT is not in practice a freer license.
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>>58573405
freedom is not "doing whatever you want"
freedom is "not being enslaved"
and protecting people from slavery means not supporting proprietary software development
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>>58573405
What's the point of free software when you don't have all freedoms? Running hash-checks in order to prevent people from changing the code and running their own modifications violates freedom 0: running the program as you wish.
>>
>>58573088
>>58573175
So i finished installing Debian from a netinst iso I downloaded yesterday on all defaults, went straight to tty1 as root after booting, replaced all instances of "jessie" with "testing" in /etc/apt/sources.list with nano, then executed apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade, nothing else.

I'm getting
systems : Breaks: rdnssd (< 1.0.1-5) but 1.0.1-1+b1 is to be installed
from
apt-get dist-upgrade
. Last time I just uninstalled rdnssd, but that seemed to fuck everything up.
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>>58572836
Anyone?
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>>58573759
systemd not systems, I typed that by hand and fucking autocorrect did it again
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>>58573759
Did you try doing an apt-get update before doing that?
And why the fuck do you even have rdnssd installed? Is the machine supposed to be a server?
And last but not least: Why didn't you make a testing netinstall instead of installing and upgrading to testing?
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>>58573779
Before editing sources.list? No, only after that and before the dist-upgrade

I didn't change anything when prompted when I could help it during installation, so I think it installed a print server.

Didn't know netinst testing isos were a thing. Well, there I go I guess.
>>
Anyone got a good guide for docker?
I have a webserver and I want to connect to it on another computer.
So A->B->docker on B.
How do I do this or find relevant information on how to do it?
I have a callback IP in the website, but nothing seems to work.

Running it local just works.
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Is there a way to import fonts temporally?
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>>58574065
Just add them to ~/.fonts
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>>58574144
>~/.fonts/ is now deprecated
>>
>>58574183
Don't care, it still works. Perfect for adding fonts temporarily.
>>
>>58574065
Yes, here's the solution in python
from __future__ import helvetica
>>
How do I set up dual boot so that if I dont select anything when I start up the PC it starts wangblows be default
>>
>>58574700
edit grub
>>
>>58574798
can I do this after I install?
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>>58574863
yaas
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>>58574876
thanks
>>
Wendell is back

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5IpRXjeTqY
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>>58574065
got more armpit?
>>
>>58573779
>>58573820
Just here to say that I finally netinstalled Debian from a testing image and it went without a hitch. Thanks.
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The SJWs got to him /g/.
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>>58575229
yeah, they've been hinting at it on their other channel for a while.
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>>58575248
rms always had extremely liberal worldview, this isn't news to anyone.

he just always separated work from his personal opinions.

stallman is not the type that would exclude your project from GNU if someone found out that you (the project maintainer) are an active KKK member.

you wont see ramblings about how oppressive the government to paedophiles on fsf.org,
you will see them on stallman.org, his personal website.
>>
>>58575320
It just doesn't seem logical to support a practice that only assists those with specific backgrounds
>>
>>58575336
Can you elaborate how encouraging people of non-white ethnicities to collaborate in community projects hurts people from white ethnicities to collaborate in the same project?
>>
>>58575336
>>58575357
Or how allowing mentally deranged transexual degenerates to contribute their coding efforts to an open source stops you from doing the same?
>>
>>58575320
>you wont see ramblings about how oppressive the government to paedophiles on fsf.org,
>you will see them on stallman.org, his personal website.
wait, wha? rms into loli or the actual pizza?
>>
>>58575357
>>58575361
Outreachy, the advertised place on that FSF blog post only helps the following people

Currently, internships are open internationally to women (cis and trans), trans men, and genderqueer people. Additionally, they are open to residents and nationals of the United States of any gender who are Black/African American, Hispanic/Latin@, American Indian, Alaska Native, Native Hawaiian, or Pacific Islander. We are planning to expand the program to more participants from underrepresented backgrounds in the future.
>>
>>58575373
rms is the idealist liberal.
He's not the shitty shady "I support liberal cause only when it benefits me" type of liberal.

He said that he considers it wrong that people are convicted of crime for sexual acts with a minor even despite said minor agreeing to that.

What you have to consider is that rms is an american.
Age of consent in USA ranges from 16 to 18.

So if I (citizen of an european country like Poland) at the age of 22, travel with my girlfriend (and soon to be wife) which is 15 to Florida, Nevada, California and many other states and have sex I am convicted of statuory rape. Despite us having been in a relationship that sexual acts for almost a year.


You can't argue that a 13 year old doesn't know what sex is, how it's done and is unable to agree to it.
We're not talking about forcing someone, that' rape.
We're talking about two people who both know what coitus is and both agreeing to develop a relationship based on it being completely unable to do it because law forbids them.
>>
>>58575386
You haven't answered my questions.
How does outreachy, which is advertised by the FSF stop you (a white, straight, male of european ancestry from a good home I assume) from contributing to open source projects?

I would understand your anger if the goal of outreachy was to replace all white men from open source project by obese transnigger genderfluid lesbians but that's clerly not the case.
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>>58575416
oh, i assumed he was a "i wanna fuck kids; the government wont let me" type
>>
>>58575430
I'm mexican

but it would prevent any straight white hetro males who are say lower income or in developing nations from getting access to that assistance
>>
>>58575468
How exactly would it prevent it?
>>
Can someone explain what pressing ctrl + alt + (#1-9) does? It brings up some kind of terminal environment but a newb doesn't know what to do with it.
>>
>>58575546
It's a virtual terminal.
>>
>>58575546
man agetty
>>
>>58575611
scratch that, it's stone age hard to decipher shit, read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_%28Unix%29
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My city public transport is switching to lunatix.

For years those display boards that would show the route and current position have been running Windows PosReady 2009 (they sometimes would crash and just sit on the windows desktop).

But today I saw one with urxvt brought to the foreground. And it had the stock openbox window decorations.
>>
>>58575546

>tfw you cannot graps what a tty actually is
>tfw you don't understand what a virtual console is
>tfw you don't get what's actually running when you press that key combination and switch to a tty
>tfw you don't understand what is starting that
>tfw you don't understand how you even get to a shell, is the virtual terminal before you log in a shell?

I've tried comprehending this like 20 times by now and I am still not smarter and just give up eventually.
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>>58575744
It's just a fucking terminal emulator jesus, stop being a drooling retard and apply yourself.

pic related is a real terminal.
It's a device without any computing power whatsoever, only capable of registering and sending keypresses and receiving text to display on screen.

The thing you get by the key combinations you've pressed is the same thing, just emulated via software because noone actually owns a real terminal.

It's job is to register keypresses (stdin) and receive text (stdout)
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>>58571644
>The website was hacked and the iso replaced
This idiot believes the webserver and file server are the same machine.
You can safely disregard any statements this person makes.
>>
>>58575851
It's true, mint devs damage controlled a lot and secured their shit but it was confirmed.

The iso was replaced, the hashes on the website were changed accordingly
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what do I do now bros?
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>>58575974

You stop being pretentious and go back to Windows. You installed an operating system and you don't know what to do next. That's a sign of stupidity and that you don't need said operating system.
>>
>>58575974
install gentoo
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>>58575863
No. The website was hacked and the download link was altered. To point to a bulgarian file server. Instead of the mint file server. The hashes were not changed. And the infected iso could be mounted and you could visually check to see the trojan file.
Nothing was covered up by linux mint. They were very forthcoming about the whole thing.
>>
>>58575786

It sounds more complex than that. According to the Arch Wiki article[1], systemd starts agetty. So I assume that agetty is printing that prompt which asks me for my user and password. Apparently you can also make agetty autologin you, without entering anything.

Does agetty start my shell upon entering my login details successfully?

[1]https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Getty
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>>58576042
I haven't said about mint covering up anything.
It would hurt them more than be open about it
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>>58575984
calm down
>>
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>>58576054
Yes

http://www.linuxnix.com/how-login-process-work-in-linux/
>>
Whenever I try to run PlayOnLinux I get the following error message:

Looking for python... 3.6.0 - skipped
Looking for python2.7... 2.7.13 - wxversion(s): 3.0-gtk2
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/share/playonlinux/python/check_python.py", line 7, in <module>
import wx
File "/usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/wx-3.0-gtk2/wx/__init__.py", line 45, in <module>
from wx._core import *
File "/usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/wx-3.0-gtk2/wx/_core.py", line 4, in <module>
import _core_
ImportError: /usr/lib/libharfbuzz.so.0: undefined symbol: FT_Get_Var_Blend_Coordinates
failed tests
Looking for python2.6... which: no python2.6 in (/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/site_perl:/usr/bin/vendor_perl:/usr/bin/core_perl)

Looking for python2... 2.7.13 - wxversion(s): 3.0-gtk2
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/share/playonlinux/python/check_python.py", line 7, in <module>
import wx
File "/usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/wx-3.0-gtk2/wx/__init__.py", line 45, in <module>
from wx._core import *
File "/usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/wx-3.0-gtk2/wx/_core.py", line 4, in <module>
import _core_
ImportError: /usr/lib/libharfbuzz.so.0: undefined symbol: FT_Get_Var_Blend_Coordinates
failed tests
Please install python before trying to run this program

From what I gather it's something to do about python, right? Is it because Arch has abandoned python2.7 and thus POL can't find the required dependencies or something? That's my best guess.

I'm running Arch by the way, in case you missed it.
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Have used Ubuntu for about 12 years now, getting sick of the stupid shit Canonical keep doing and also want to see if LXQtpi is any good now, or maybe try a new DE.

Was on Xubuntu for a few of those 12 years so I know how shit Xfeces is, so is there anything that would be an improvement on Xfeces and Unity? Apart from LXqt?

Honestly just want something that fucking werks, and has a simple and fast search option like in Unity, that shit was the major reason I put up with Ubuntu's crap, it's that fucking good.
>>
>>58576199
xfeces haven't changed at all for the last 12 years.
Their development is slow like molasses.

Their last upgrade (4.12) was in february 2015.
The second-last upgrade (4.10) was in april 2012.

We're expecting to see 4.14 next year or in 2019.
>>
>>58576215
That was kind of my point, anon. The one I haven't had a lot of experience with is Lxqt and it has had a lot of development on it recently, so it might be good, I dunno.
>>
>>58576199
I think KDE has one of those universal search applications. I've been meaning to check it out.
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Im not gonna lie none of these players look as good to me as musicbee
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>>58576268
>look
lel, this is why noone treats you seriously
>>
>>58576263
KDE was horrible last time I checked which was about a year. I mean fucking horrible, as in fucked up fonts, fucked up window resizing, fucked up options, everything felt broken.

Did they have a major update recently? Something about neon, I dunno.
I'm only thinking of switching now because Debian 9 is basically done.
>>
>>58576199
>>58576234
LXQt is nowhere near ready yet. I'd recommend you to give Gnome a try with open mind. It's the most actively developed DE and it shows. KDE Plasma is liked by many but imo it's too buggy and unpolished still.

Load up Gnome, check the keybindings and get hacking.
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>>58576268
Lollypop is the only acceptable one. Shame about the gnome headerbars though. I'm using i3 and borders don't get drawn around GTK3 windows.
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>>58576268
Why would you care about the look of a background process (which a music player undoubtedly is) as long as it stays consisent with your system theme?
>>
>>58576276
Yes. Everything that isn't CMUS is fuck ugly and CMUS doesn't do album art.
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>>58576308
>album art
Why? A music player plays music.
Who on earth looks at album art when listening to the music?

i've yet to meet someone that doesn't keep his music player minimized 100% of the time on playback.

Hell all of my normie friends either use the builtin windows one or aimp (most of the time). Some of the more techsavvy use foobar2k.


Cmus is unworkable garbage because creating and managing large playlists with it is a chore.
>>
>>58576287
Think I might do this, anon. Do you know if the Debian DVD1 will have everything I need on the ISO to isntall GNOME3 (and/or Lxqt to take a look)? (going to flash to USB with mkusb)

I still don't know what the other 2 DVDs are for.
>>
>>58576277
Ran sabayon kde (weekly) for a while a few months ago. KDE was awesome.
>>
>>58576335
I usually have my entire library set to album art view and scroll through it for something that catches my eye when I'm not after anything in particular. In that sense it's useful to me because I enjoy choosing an album that way.
>>
>>58576361
>>58576287
Think I might do what people always say and install all the DEs I want to try on this Ubuntu install and try them out, and then install Debian once I like one.
>>
>>58576268
Lollypop?
>>
Which linux should I install for my first one ?


I sort of want to do OpenSuse because the chameleon logo is cool.

Is this a bad choice ?
>>
>>58576533
They're basically all the same. Some come with a bit more bloat (Ubuntu) though. SUSE will be alright but be prepared to spend longer fixing problems until you figure out that any solution you find on the internet can equally be applied to your distro.
>>
I am confused.
I have a folder which i need to make 777 so it can be used by anyone, so i did
chmod 0777 /myfolder
but the it is still only drwxrwx---
i need it to be drwxrwx--x
any idea why it isn't working? i am root
>>
>>58576533
check out gecko linux, it's based off of suse, but is more polished and has more de options out of the box
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>>58570648
I'm on the lookout to replace that green, what 4TB drive should I get? I'm thinking of getting a HGST Deskstar NAS 3.5" 4TB.
>>
>>58570825
Are you in Philadelphia
>>
>>58576709
artstyle seems strangely familiar

doesn't he draw some pedo shit?
>>
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>>58576773
THE HALLOWED ONE, THE MASTER OF STRATEGY, THE KING OF GANK, THE SULTAN OF PUSH, THE TZAR OF TEAMFIGHT, THE SLAYER OF EHOME, THE CAPTAIN OF THEY YEAR 2010, THE CHAMPION OF THE INTERNATIONAL THE ONE AND ONLY ARTSTYLE
>>
>>58576803
elaborate, i don't know all 4chan memes
>>
>>58576533
Ubuntu. Ignore all the other meme options. Debian if you want to try the other decent option for beginners. Most beginners should just use Ubuntu and stay there though.
>>
>>58575505
Because outreachy only helps the people in that list
>>
>>58576533
honestly it hardly even matters. you'll be lucky to have success even installing your first distro, let alone getting the desktop to function properly or god forbid customizing it

just pick one and try it out
>>
anyone saved that ascii rocket script? lost it and cant find it in the archives
>>
>>58577083
And how exactly does it prevent it?
>>
>Mfw I have 651 broken packages on Debian
>Mfw no internet to fix it
>Mfw I have no face
>>
>>58570351
who cares you idiot
>>
>>58577289
>mfw on Debian Sid with no broken packages
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arch sucks, nothing works
everytime I want to copy paste something from the terminal it prints ^C and nothing happens
>>
Hello. I'm trying to find this software: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wubi

So I could install Linux. I have no USB sticks, nor CD readers.

But the thing is I can't find it from Ubuntu's site.
>>
>>58577543
GNU/Linux*
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>>58577537
EXCELLENT blog post homie
>>
>>58577543
Oh, it is discontinued software.
Are there any alternatives that would work for Windows 10?
>>
>>58577537
kek, nice one.
>>
Decided to throw away all my possessions and return to my home country. What operating system should i run away from life with?
>>
Ok here I go..

This maybe the most idiot question of all. But lurking around g/ doesn't help.

What is your main reason to use a Linux distro?

Gaming, coding, just browsing etc. I don't have a clue.

I got an old notebook from a friend and installed mint (cinnamon) on it. Looks cool, does its job (some browsing, text editing, music and all. But still. Idk
>>
>>58577873
Probably to have an OS that respects your human rights unlike NSA/DOS
>>
who is still using xorg? I can't find a decent replacement for openbox in wayland so I can't switch.
>>
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>>58577873
you just use it
>>
Guise!

Look, I have that idea. Declarative setup, literate programming, having whole environment in one file and tangle it as needed.

The only missing part until a couple of years from now was the OS, but we now have NixOS, so it would play along.

Here's what I have so far: https://hoodoo.github.io/
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>>58577892
So don't switch.
>>
>>58577873

I'm paid for handling Linux stuff.
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manjaro or elementary os? why?
>>
>>58577873
getting tired of windows trying to spy on you
wanting to get comfy working in a terminal/shell/console-emulator
learning how to actually administrate a system
>>
>>58577873
As you gain proficiency it becomes easier to use. The Windows way of doing something can often be very limiting.
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>>58578074
I'm having a hard time figuring out why would you need to have such thing for a machine that's clearly not meant for deployment in large numbers
>>
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Tell me /fglt/ are you subscribed to your distribution's security mailing list?
>>
>>58578322

Mainly as a proof of concept. I love reproducible stuff. It's exported from a org file, gets tangled to a set of files, and it's under version control. It describes the system as a whole. To setup a machine, I need to partition the disk, install NixOS, tangle the document and pull in secrets and content and I'm done.
>>
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Does there exists lightweight up-to-date distro with preinstalled firefox and adblocker + noscript ?

no tails.
>>
>>58578386
I respect that
>>
>>58578375
>>/ylilauta/
näin lankasi
>>
>>58578389
puppy i think.

it runs entirely in ram so it's blazing fast buddy

go for the ubuntu version, more packages.
>>
>>58578410
>perkele dindu
go away snownigger shoo
>>
>>58578375
what pleb distro do you run?
>>
>>58578424
Does it really comes with firefox + adblock and noscript addons?
>>
>>58578457
answer the question, archboy
>>
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>>58578485
no need to subscribble, my distro spoonfeeds me
>>
>>58578389
why not just make one?
>>
>>58578518
you may live
>>
>>58578518
>eselect news :DDDDDDDDDDDDD
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Does anyone have experience with grsec RBAC policies?

I've been in learning mode for several days but if I turn it on something will break and fixing each thing one by one is a lot of work. Several times I haven't given any role the permission to /sbin/gradm or to shutdown, so I had no way to safely turn off my computer.

There isn't much documentation and no one posts their policies for security reasons.
>>
>>58578558
>>>/a/ may help you
>>
>>58578518

Yeah. And you still have unread items from 2013. Have you recompiled EVERYTHING with --fstack-protector?
>>
>>58578577
im using gcc 4.9
>>
>>58578558

Can it be disabled with one command? If you have access to the machine you can reboot and run bash as root, disable it and fix.

Also set up a VM to play with.
>>
For the muricans ITT:
python -c 'for i in range(38):print i and"|"+["-"*57,(" *  "*7)[i%2*2:][:(i<11)*23].ljust(56,"  #"[i%3])+"|"][1<i<21]*(i<22)'
>>
>>58578600

Seriously though, it's a pretty old setup. Is it cluttered now? Do you think of doing a clean reinstall? How do you manage to keep it neat?

I had Gentoo for a while, with fvwm. Lots of configuration files to remember of.
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>>58578629
Arch users need to use python3 instead of python.
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>>58578653
Nice attempt bro
python is python3 :D:D:D:D DD
>>
>>58578653
>Arch users need to use python3 instead of python.

Weren't they the first to switch to python 3 by default? I recall the butthurt it caused.
>>
>>58578653
s/3/2/

btw, why are python versiony broken on arch like that?
>>
>>58578676
They arent "broken".
The latest version(python3) is symlinked to /usr/bin/python

All you lazy fags cant update to v3
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>>58578649
i back up data then delete my user
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>>58578676
Yeah, sorry. I meant python2.

>>58578674
python calls python3 on arch, so to call a normal python script you need to use the python2 command.
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>>58578691
>"""update"""
you can't update something that isn't the same
python3 isn't compatible to python3, see >>58578629
>>58578653
>>
>be beginner
>Use Ubuntu happily for months
>suddenly it says the root file system is fucked up
>run fsck
>after three ours of arranging it works again, kinda
>shit is painfully slow
>It reset my keyboard into English (euro-peon here)
>can't access my admin account, as I can't type in the password
>only allows me to use the guest account

Am I done goofed? I got no other PC available, I think there is some other totally fucked up business with my USB drive.

Is there a way to make this restore itself somehow like windows does with the backup, or make it clean install itself without a CD/drive? I backed up all my a week ago, so I don't care about the contents, just to salvage the machine itself
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>>58578727
>python3 isn't compatible to python3
wat
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>>58578727
>python3 isn't compatible to python3
python3 is python3 though anon

Then why is it called """"""""""""""""""""python3""""""""""""" and not python-next?

It is the successor to python2.
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>>58578697

/etc, /usr/share and such should be dirty AF.

Although I have an Ubuntu vps of that age, works fine.
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>>58569871
Reminder: GNU and FSF exists because Richard "M" Stallman got a hissyfit at a printer being propriatary, yet printers are still propriatary. Richard Stallman has contributed literally nothing to the world.
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>>58578743
Set systemd.debug-shell as a kernel option with your bootloader.
Switch to tty9.
localectl set-keymap
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>>58578749
Python2 programs don't run in Python3. That's the problem. Python3 uses different syntax, module names etc. So yes, Python3 is a new version, but incompatible to vanilla Python (Python2), which is called when you run python (except, for some inane reason, on Arch).
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>>58578789

EMACS
M
A
C
S
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>>58578760
oh, i manually clean those. sometimes i delete wrong stuff and have to run emerge -e
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>>58578807
Who needs software compatability? What's it ever done for us, anyway?

>>58578817
Not written by RMS.
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>>58578807
So the only issue here is people not updating their scripts :^)
They've had YEARS to do so, but still rather bitch and moan, then get shit done.

This isnt an arch problem, its a lazy dev problem
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>>58578789
my printer is open

thank you based bearded toejam eating man
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>>58578206
>>58578202
>>58577888

Allright allright. Sums it up a bit.

But what are other purposes than staying safe from spying and having more control are there?

Just your usual pc stuff?
Like: banking, email, browsing, photo and music database etc.
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>>58578825
lol, why don't you use a filesystem with snapshots and parity? OH WAIT IT TURNED OUT IT HAD CRIPPLING BUGS CAUSING DATA LOSS IN IT
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>>58578843
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>>58578857
..yes? What were you expecting? The main difference is the level of security and flexibility the OS allows (at least for a retard like me).
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>>58578825

Cool.

I have my work stuff in a repo and my multimedia at a NAS, and the backups, so I just try a new distro once in a while, maybe once a year. All of them suck so I get fed up with them sooner or later.
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Can I get Windows to boot image from my Nexus 5 internal flash storage? That's the only external drive/usb stick like thing I have

>probably not.
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>>58578868
linux development model 101: make something buggy, ???, release, say "oops" when someone loses data

>>58578875
He ported the original version to linux , the original version existed long before Linux was a thing
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>>58578898
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>>58578907
okay i got baited
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>>58578794

That or https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Reset_root_password#Using_GRUB_to_invoke_bash
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Can anyone sauce me on some sshd login first-time user scripts?

I'd like to have a script that prompts for a passwd change, sets the smbpasswd, configures some default settings, create some symlinks on the desktop, etc.
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>>58578907
s/ported/wrote a different implimentation of an existing idea/
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>>58578898
geg. you don't even have a cd somewhere?
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>>58578924
Good luck trying to use localectl without systemd running.
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>>58578878

Ye.. I'm a little dense... Srry.
My english is broke as fuck, so I can't ask the questions I'd like to. But I'm getting the picture.

Well then. For a noob like me. Is mint a good choice?
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>>58578898
pxeboot

In other news, Linux sure is a good kernel, huh. Really runs a lot of programs.
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>>58578907

Oh fuck off. It had no elisp. If you don't know why an extension language makes a difference, fuck off AND die.
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>>58578898
Give a VM physical access to a disk and emulate the Windows installer image. After the VM reboots to complete the installation just power off and boot from the actual disk.
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>>58578933

Ansible
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>>58578629
nice
>>
Any way to use google drive on linux? (using arch atm) I really need the sync feature.
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>>58579011
GNU/Linux*
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>>58578973
This is cool if this works. NIce.
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I've been running Antergos Xfce for 2 months, and recently the login screen has been getting laggy. What would cause this?
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>>58579018
Works with 7 and 8 afaik, haven't tried it with 10 but it should be the same.
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>>58579011
Forgot to add, if it matters, I'm using Arch Linux.
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>>58579037
woah, how did you made that your tripcode is a word??? looks pretty cool to be honest
>>
>>58579015
No, Richard, it's 'Linux', not 'GNU/Linux'. The most important contributions that the FSF made to Linux were the creation of the GPL and the GCC compiler. Those are fine and inspired products. GCC is a monumental achievement and has earned you, RMS, and the Free Software Foundation countless kudos and much appreciation.

Following are some reasons for you to mull over, including some already answered in your FAQ.

One guy, Linus Torvalds, used GCC to make his operating system (yes, Linux is an OS -- more on this later). He named it 'Linux' with a little help from his friends. Why doesn't he call it GNU/Linux? Because he wrote it, with more help from his friends, not you. You named your stuff, I named my stuff -- including the software I wrote using GCC -- and Linus named his stuff. The proper name is Linux because Linus Torvalds says so. Linus has spoken. Accept his authority. To do otherwise is to become a nag. You don't want to be known as a nag, do you?

(An operating system) != (a distribution). Linux is an operating system. By my definition, an operating system is that software which provides and limits access to hardware resources on a computer. That definition applies whereever you see Linux in use. However, Linux is usually distributed with a collection of utilities and applications to make it easily configurable as a desktop system, a server, a development box, or a graphics workstation, or whatever the user needs. In such a configuration, we have a Linux (based) distribution. Therein lies your strongest argument for the unwieldy title 'GNU/Linux' (when said bundled software is largely from the FSF). Go bug the distribution makers on that one. Take your beef to Red Hat, Mandrake, and Slackware. At least there you have an argument. Linux alone is an operating system that can be used in various applications without any GNU software whatsoever. Embedded applications come to mind as an obvious example.
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>>58579037
forgot to ask: what's that chinese(?) stuff? does it have a deeper meaning?
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>>58578987
not sure if serious
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>>58579015
>>58579062
Next, even if we limit the GNU/Linux title to the GNU-based Linux distributions, we run into another obvious problem. XFree86 may well be more important to a particular Linux installation than the sum of all the GNU contributions. More properly, shouldn't the distribution be called XFree86/Linux? Or, at a minimum, XFree86/GNU/Linux? Of course, it would be rather arbitrary to draw the line there when many other fine contributions go unlisted. Yes, I know you've heard this one before. Get used to it. You'll keep hearing it until you can cleanly counter it.

You seem to like the lines-of-code metric. There are many lines of GNU code in a typical Linux distribution. You seem to suggest that (more LOC) == (more important). However, I submit to you that raw LOC numbers do not directly correlate with importance. I would suggest that clock cycles spent on code is a better metric. For example, if my system spends 90% of its time executing XFree86 code, XFree86 is probably the single most important collection of code on my system. Even if I loaded ten times as many lines of useless bloatware on my system and I never excuted that bloatware, it certainly isn't more important code than XFree86. Obviously, this metric isn't perfect either, but LOC really, really sucks. Please refrain from using it ever again in supporting any argument.

Last, I'd like to point out that we Linux and GNU users shouldn't be fighting among ourselves over naming other people's software. But what the heck, I'm in a bad mood now. I think I'm feeling sufficiently obnoxious to make the point that GCC is so very famous and, yes, so very useful only because Linux was developed. In a show of proper respect and gratitude, shouldn't you and everyone refer to GCC as 'the Linux compiler'? Or at least, 'Linux GCC'? Seriously, where would your masterpiece be without Linux? Languishing with the HURD?
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>>58579038
>>
How do I into customization of Ubuntu Mate?
pic related is my current desktop
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>>58578794
Not him but interesting. I'm only just now getting it real well, maybe not just now but I'm acting on it, and I seem to have this idea that I can do anything now. Lol.

What exactly does your solution do for his situation? Does it clear the remedies for now or is that a go to in the event of hardware malfunction and system performance loss?

He could just be running his internet way too heavy. I manage to do most things on these Linux until I run firefox or chrome for too long and then it feels like I need to reset my partitions or on ssd.
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>within 20 posts this thread managed to get from "fairly civilised" to "absolute dogshit"
>unique IP counter increased by one
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>>58578202
administer!

They system isn't a physically malleable thing therefore it is to be treated as providence rather than rationed. Administrate assumes that before you there was nothing. Administer implies the system's service is to me kept in place by someone like yourself.

Sorry about that.
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>>58579025
Bump.
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>>58579050
tripcodedot50websdotcom
use google you nigger
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>>58579071

Why, yes, let's reinvent the bicycle! Fun! Let's ignore configuration management systems. I didn't say Puppet because AFAIR Ansible needs no client.

>>58579062

Is Mandrake even alive? You're pretty old pasta aren't you?
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>>58579093
kek
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>>58579114

The guy did propose a way to login. Once he logs in he can reset the keyboard layout etc. He then can research what's broken or just stash /etc and resetup.

We have no idea what's broken.
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>error when trying to boot Steam
>Unable to install ttf-mscorefonts-installer
Please help me /g/, I am a complete novice at Linux.
>>
New thread, if it matters: >>58579234
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>>58579062
Linux is a kernel. GNU has other kernels like Hurd, and the GNU/Linux userland can even run on a BSD kernel (see: GNU/kFreeeBSD).

>>58579078
Xorg is a fork of XFree86 is an evolution of x386 (in fact, its name is also a pun) which is an evolution of X which is an evolution of W (because X is better than W as it has a higher index in the roman alphabet) which in turn is an implimentation based on the idea of a GUI which traces all the way back to Xerox PARC where it was made by Alan Kay and others which predates Linux by more than a decade.

Opensource users don't need to fight about which opensource is best, becuase unlike closed-source propriatary software there's no bottom line or investors to satisfy. The only ones who do are idiots who contribute nothing of value to opensource and do it just for the sake of controversy.
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>>58579245
>error when trying to boot Steam
what error? what do you mean by "boot steam"?
>Unable to install ttf-mscorefonts-installer
on what distro? with what command? you get what error?

you can't be so vague, there's many ways to do things in linux
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>>58571282
Buguntu
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