Name me one reason why a law-abiding citizen like me should

>>58497995
Fuck off shill

hobby bro its a hobby
Why so much hate?

>>58497995
>stable software like Windows.
This hasn't been true for years. Windows is a piece of shit.Microsoft knows it,it's ok to admit now.

thumbnails in the Downloads directory don't take 5 minutes to load

>>58497995
it doesn't crash the desktop ui each time i insert a usb stick/memory card

>>58497995
>People like things I don't?
>I'll tell my friends at /g/ about it, I'm sure they will agree!

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>>58497995
>professional, stable software like Windows.
>like Windows.
>Windows.
OH LAWD

>try to install microsoft office
>lel need .net framework
>install .net framework
>program still refuses to install
>turns out another version of .net framework on the machine is somehow broken and multiple repair and reinstalls didn't fix it
>reinstall whole OS just so i can install one program
>professional, stable software

meanwhile
>try to install libreoffice
>it just werks

>>58497995
Linux sucks... because? You forgot to state the actual reason, so let me do it for you.

The problem is Xorg which provides a shitty experience to end user and scares away normies who can't deal with screen tearing and near deaf volume output.

Aside from that it is fun to use, terminal is throwback to my DOS days, I love the package management.

Hopefull Wayland/Mir might redeem Linux.

There are pros and cons to both.

Before Windows 10 Linux was way ahead of Windows in terms of speed and hardware support (out of the box). Now that has changed, but Windows 10 is basically spyware. Linux does nothing to your data.

Linux is really really great for webdevelopment, data science and scripting. Windows is really shit for that.

Linux has a good package manager, Windows has crap.

Security on Linux is inherently better than on Windows (double klicking a .lnk file in Windows still can completely and utterly infect your system, bypassing any security measurements, without you even noticing it).

Windows on the other hand has (of course) a way larger and qualitatively better software stack. Windows is better for some languages to code in (because of their respective IDEs). Windows is the far more supperiour gaming platform and also grants way more performance in that area.

Windows has a fuckton of bloatware... A FUCKTON... (and i know of ninite etc.)

That is just out of my head. I use both systems, prefering linux to code, windows to game.

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>>58498230
.NET 2/3/4 are one click away. Just check this option in Windows features. Office 2016 / 365 only need .Net framework 4.5 anyway which is installed by default on Windows 8 and 10.

Why do you people lie on the internet?

>>58498074
I haven't had any problems, it hasn't updated on it's own, gave me 1 notification I clicked dont remind me again and there gone.

I can open all the software I want, I can use microsoft office. Easy networking, easy everything and i couldnt care if microsoft looks at my data.

So why would I switch?

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How about this:

>Knowledge of your past decisions can be used to predict your future decisions
>So all that information John Doe shared is checked and catagorized, and lets assume John Doe is the type of person that has the potential of becoming a revolutionary, now this organization knows this
>Knowledge that John Doe poses a possible threat to current power, makes the people currently in power decide to watch him closer
>Now John Doe sees that a big bad corporation is doing some bs, or the company he is working for does something bad, or he figures something shady out the gov. is keeping secret.
> In a private world, John Doe could spark a revolution, activate people and make a difference, but in a surveillance state, John Doe is censored. Either John Doe's communication is made less effective, he is removed from the situation, he is deported to gitmo, or whatever seems to be the right course of action
> No one should have such power, and whilst you may currently trust powerful corporations and governments, some dipshit might be elected, some dick licker may be promoted, or some hacker may get lucky.

This is really why I value my privacy so much, I don't want to give any organization the ability to stop movements before they even manage to mean anything.

>>58498486
Just dont switch. But dont say something (linux) is shit, just because there is no reason for YOU to use it...

>>58498456
This is one dedicated shill.

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>>58497995

It's not the kernel that's crap, you idiot. It's the userland that sucks!

>no arguments
You forgot to bait the hook, OP.
>>58498310
>can't deal with screen tearing
Not a problem with compositing WMs, which is what most people use.
>near deaf volume output.
What? Xorg doesn't even deal with audio.

Linux just doesn't have a selling point. Everything it does, other OS do better.

>>58497995
I have two reasons you might use it:
>You enjoy using Linux
>You prefer Linux software

Also fuck off shill

>>58499684
Snapshots.

>>58498310
Wayland is the best shit to happen to Linux in a while. It would totally make it palatable to normies... once it supports desktop icons.

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>>58499838
>It would totally make it palatable to normies... once it supports desktop icons.

No, for the last time, the inclusion of features won't automatically attract consumers. It needs PROPER MARKETING. It needs to be shipped with computers.

The Samsung Chromebook was the best-selling laptop for over a year after it released. Right now, three of the top 10 best selling laptops on Amazon are Chromebooks.

The Linux community as it stands now is terrible at efforts to bring desktop Linux to the mainstream. Spinning cubes won't automatically result in the year of desktop Linux. Adding new features and hoping that everyone will start booming to Linux is not the way.

I don't see any mainstream OEMs shipping computers with desktop Linux on them. Many people still don't feel comfortable manually installing a different operating system on their computer.

>>58499684
Package managers

>>58499993
I don't think you understand how fundamental desktop icons are to the normie experience. The second some normie notices he can't add programs to the desktop for easy access, he's going to install Windows.

>>58497995
SEND
BETTER
SHILLS,
MICROKUCKS

>>58499993
I would like to start my own company selling Linux laptop and desktops but that shit costs money.

>>58497995
What does abiding by the law have to do with anything?

>>58499838
Not the OP, but should I switch over to Wayland on my Arch Linux setup?

>>58497995
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>>58497995
https://github.com/ch11ng/exwm/

>>58497995
Linux DE sucks, it is a hobby OS, stay away from it if you want to be productive.

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>>58497995
Hook shit, pajeet. I swear micropoo paid 5 bing points for this level of dedication. >>58498456

You:
>hurr mom y r they using Linux scarey terminals WAAAA
Microloo:
>hurr durr I'm butthurt over a community project

Just fucking kill yourself, unpaid low energy shill. Nobody wants your dysfunctional and ugly botnet OS.

>>58499632
I forgot to mention alsa and pulseaudio. Linux gets millions in funding and support. A huge community of people. I am sure they can do better than crap like xorg and alsa.

>>58500575
What the fuck is the problem with ALSA?

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>>58500529
>Linux is a hobby OS

>>58500597
I have this IDT audio device, and it has such poor output on Linux. I have to raise volume to 150% just to hear Youtube videos with headphones.

Meanwhile Windows I keep it at 20-25% max and I can heart it across the room. This problem exists on all distros because alsa is present in all of them.

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>>58500575
Maybe because those millions aren't being invested for gamer children?

>>58498369
>werks on my machine

>>58500686
Audio/video output quality for browsers and video playback is now a thing for man children?

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Be honest, OP. Are you even being paid to spread FUD against other competing platforms?

>>58500678
Sounds like an issue isolated to certain hardware. What do you propose instead of ALSA, OSS, which supports even less devices?

>>58500630
>LINUX DE Sucks

Says the post.

>He can't even fucking read

Do a favor to humanity and stay with your Hobby DE,

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>>58500748
>Hobby DE
>DE
Wow you never went out of your shitty basement, have you

>>58500775
>Using Ubuntu to SSH to a Linux server.

That's the only use it has.

>>58500810
You need to come up with better damage control, NEET gaymer haha

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>>58500810
>Meanwhile, outside your /v/ """"battle station""""

>>58497995
Because one needs to be able to use their OS freely.

>>58500848
sauce? is that a robot?

>>58500894
https://twitter.com/lordofthelake/status/495254623813664768

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>Windows
>Stable
Why would you lie in the internet?

>>58497995
I hereby name you "One reason why a law-abiding citizen like me should use Linsucks over professional, stable software like Windows".

>>58499589
Really makes you think.

https://dirtycow.ninja/

>>58501017
>Debian can't do that

>>58500810
meanwhile everyone at google uses ubuntu

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>>58501150
>Open source project
>people audit code
>people find exploit
>people fix exploit

>closed source botnet
>no one audits code
>people find exploit
>MS bitches and moans
>fixes some of the publicly known exploits

>>58501141
>>58501209

>>58497995
You use linux only when you need to
>u a programmer
>Web developer ?
>engineer ?
> specifically need linux ?
No ?
Don't use it then

We are now in 2017 YES LINUX SUCK!

>>58497995
do you play lots of videgames? stay in windows
else go for linux

>>58500835
So convincing argumenst anon, I hate Windows an Love Linux now.

>>58500848
Looks like he is trying to fix his video drivers in that terminal anon, no surprise there.

>>58501206
Nice meed anon, Google'rs are a bunch of OSX users, the "Googlers uses Ubuntu" is a myth to be proved.

>>58498486
All those things are also true for Linux, but there they don't look at your data?

For me, it is like having a traffic light in the middle of a street with no connecting streets.
There is no technical reason it should be there, but the county have a billboard they rent out for advertising and give tickets to people who don't wait for the green light.

The bad things they put in windows slows you down, is annoying and when you figure out why it exist, you get sightly annoyed about the greed and abuse of power.

And if you want Microsoft office on Linux, just install it.
I know it is slightly more work than just giving your credit card info to the 30 day trial :^) version, but it doesn't take long.

>>58502232
He's clearly using a GUI you blind fuck, what drivers aren't working?

>>58497995
I would but we both know this is a troll thread so there's not really any reason for it.

>>58497995
>stable
surely you're not refering to windows 10 lol

>>58502393
His X.org Server is crasing when he start some games and with others he is getting 2 FPS anon, that is why he is using the terminal, editing config files trying to find the solution, he just need five more hours of tweaking and maybe he will get 5 fps more.

>>58497995
Don't use, who cares

My OS has corrupted three times using Windows. Once I had to sit there installing .dlls for hours with help from dependency once all my drivers literally just Uninstalled and once it blue screened my computer everytime I started. While there are plenty of shit distros and plenty in an infant phase where they shouldn't be used as your main OS they are definitely distros which can occomidate you no matter what you do for daily use.

>>58503058
After all this time, it stopped being funny that a street shitter that lives in a mud hut needs to shill on a cambodian cavepainting board for rupees.
It's sad Pajeet, just sad.

>>58503144
Great but hurt arguments anon, I love Linux now.

>>58501223
It's not even remote.

>>58500445
If you use Gnome, yes.

>>58501769
Your grammar sure does, Pajeet.

>>58497995
Windows is professional? This is why it killed my ssd and my hitachi hdd?

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>>58504028
Did it killed you hitashi ssd like GParted kileld mine?, come here bro.

>>58497995

>calls it "linsucks"
>thread gets through my filter

Fuck you, OP.

>>58497995
I have been using windows for all my life, always worked well for me. Building a new computer soon and dont want w10.

What distro would you guys suggest, ubuntu? I dont wanna fiddle with some 8bit kernel all day I just want it to work

>>58504824
ubuntu is decent, I'd definitely recommend it as a normalfag distro.

you should look through desktop environments though and find one you like. unity sucks ass imo

>>58497995
because you like to tinker with your computer and ms is kinda locked down?
maybe you grow weary of ms randomly switching your media drives to read only
or perhaps you just want to be able to securely check out dodgy shit

>>58505115
personally I'd recommend gnome-shell
it's gnome without all the extras preinstalled so you can add whatever gnome goodness you want but not have a bunch of programs you won't use preinstalled.

>>58498456
Until recently I believed all these microsoft shills are just some troll wannabe /v/ kiddies but I was completely Wrong.


Microsoft has been deploying Evangelists to support developers[1] since a long time.

Although a leaked document explicitly mentions that they are not here to support developers, they are here to shill microsoft[2] and undermine [3] other companies.

These are not just trolls. These are professional shills.

Ditch Microsoft products


Don't be fooled my Microshills. They never cared for the users. Their latest strategy is to compete with google for mass surveillance with built in spyware. Data is the most valuable good in the next century and Microsoft is trying really hard to become the monarch.


[1] https://www.microsoft.com/northafrica/careers/positions/de.htm


[2]http://antitrust.slated.org/www.iowaconsumercase.org/011607/3000/PX03096.pdf (page 4,9)

[3]http://antitrust.slated.org/www.iowaconsumercase.org/011607/3000/PX03096.pdf (page 5, 30, 35)

>>58506317
Go away techright.com, you forgot to take your meditation.

>>58507104
What a shameless bump, desperate shill. Fuck off to >>>/biz/ and collect your bing points

>>58507291
Get help anon, soon, you hatred for MS made you stupid.

>>58497995

Because i don't like the NSA watching me fap, wincuck

>>58498310
>>58497995
sudo apt-get install op_is_a_faggot

One thing I don't like about Windows is the fact that you either gotta pay to learn detailed information about the OS or the information is completely concealed due to trade secrets. Linux due to it being open source you can have access to the source code.

>>58497995
KYS

>>58497995
ZFS, BTRFS file systems
Open sauce
Actually stable
Modular as hell and tuneable af
Loads of distrbutions to fit your need
No unnecessary botnet to impede your experience/ bog down your system & network
Constant improvement, each update is a treasure trove
General majority of software is both free as in freedom and more importantly: Free beer
Wicked quick on old hardware, crazy fast on newer

>>58501141
Fixed not an hour after it was discovered.
Windows is vulnerable to atom bombing: No fix available for the foreseeable future because of how its software is designed in a non modular way.

>>58508714
>Windows is vulnerable to atom bombing
What do you mean by that?

>>58497995
If you think windows is stable than you're an idiot normie..

>>58506317
why don't people just pick an os that they enjoy? Like if you like windows go with windows, if you enjoy linux go with it... idk why there always needs to be a fight over it.

>>58509023
Because autism

>>58497995
no u

>>58500692
More like
>werks on 99.999% of machines
>can get professional support if it doesn't

>>58497995
Maybe if you liked learning about and playing with computers.

>>58508747
It stops working if you drop an atom bomb on it.

>>58509833
I do. But I also like having a stable, reliable system which I know I won't fuck up.

>>58502306
>using the smiley with a carat nose

>>58502246
An internal fork of Ubuntu called goobuntu https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goobuntu and mostly MacBooks for laptops, although Goobuntu is available for laptops.

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>>58497995
>professional
>stable

Package managers

</thread>

>>58498310
We're on the verge of replacing it, Fedora already ships with Wayland

>>58510427
ELI5 [Xorg | Wayland]?

Because they need professional, stable software.

>stable
lol
Windows gave me seemingly random crashes rather often.
I have yet to experience that in Linux.
>in b4 hurrdurr X broke
Linux is as stable as you want it to be.

>>stable

>>58497995
Only people who have something to hide use Linux, which is ironic since it has countless exploited backdoors anyway.

>>58497995
Windows doesn't support >256 characters for file names, nesting or path.
Good luck even backing up your email archive if some random files exceed that number.

The type of people that use Linux is really shown in these threads.

>Windows users: clear and concise posts with reasonable points.
>Linux users: kys, shill, pajeet, reaction images, /v/ xD, etc...

Just shows who the people with actual jobs are.

>>58514240
:^)

>>58514240
This.

>>58514240

replay to this.

>>58514122

>>58514822
>replay
Are all lintards subhuman spics?

>>58514240
And what did you expect?
You need to realize /g/ is filled with wannabe-alternative kids (((millenials))) acting like brainless apes.
Linux is a hobby os and it's designed to give these kids something to do in their miserable lives.
Normal person wants OS to be simple, fast reliable. These kids wants OS to be as complicated as possible, so they can constantly do something with it.

>>58497995
>windows
>professional
Microsoft doesn't have that enterprise vibe no more, everything they do feels extremely unprofessional and Apple-tier.

>>58514989
>Windows users
>Freetards, subhumans, spics, reaction images etc...

>>58497995
>professional, stable software like Windows.
LMAO.

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>>58514240
Because once an argument has been done to death and your opposition puts up the same refuted points slightly reworded you fall back to mockery and shitposting out of realization that putting in effort is worthless.

>>58497995
It's faster
It's more stable
It's easier to use
It's more secure

>>58497995
Spyware.

>>58515053
>Linux is a hobby os
That's interesting because the only reason I managed to go from stocking shelves to programming is because I landed a linux sysadmin job to kickstart my career. My qualifications for this job all came from personal experience using Linux on a shitty laptop.
It's true that there was a time that I got enjoyment out of tinkering with Linux and breaking it and fixing it and all that. However, nowadays I know how to do what I want with it and I find that it provides the best "just works" experience of any OS if you simply install a major DE like KDE or Gnome and then just leave the configuration alone. That is what I do now. I do not use Windows at all anymore and I only use OS X when I'm at work.

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>>58515053
So butthurt that you are even samefagging - really makes you think, OP, doesn't it?

Now about your post. I agree that /g/ is "filled with wannabe-alternative kids". For the most part, a technology board WILL attract "nerds" and people that have different test than plebs (((average))) braindead windows user.

It's not because they are "wannabe-alternative", it's because they genuinely care about technology. This is the same thing that makes a true car enthusiast go under the hood and customize their car parts. Because they are car enthusiast, not "wannable-alternative" "kids".

>Linux is a hobby OS
This idea comes from the people that are, in no way, even aware of technology. No, Linux is not a hobby OS. MOST of the Linux installs belong to the enterprise environments.
Linux is used in Google, Facebook, IBM, Nasa, Qualcomm, Intel, NVidia, LG, Amazon, US department of defense (also Russian, Chinese, Japanese), US Navy, Federal Aviation Administration, French Parliament, State bank of China, Federal courts, Panasonic, Novell, Peugeot, Toyota, Tesla, CERN and COUNTLESS professional environment.

Where is not Linux used? Probably in your shitty accounting job.
Yes, People DO use Linux and obscure OSes. People DO use FreeBSD, HP-UX, AIX etc. (((YOU))) are just not in the league with your shitty (((pleb))) job and grew that mindset.

>Windows is simple
As much as I hate to (((CRUSH))) your hopes of spreading FUD, Windows (MS-DOS) was not simple, UNIX was, MS-DOS has never been simple. The clusterfuck of registry hairball, locked down base-userland interaction, Arbitrary memory limit is not simple.
Developing in windows is not simple as you may think.

>Windows is reliable
Haha, no it's not. Windows crashes left and right - it's NOT a magic. You have your shitty NTFS to thank to.

>Fast
>Windows
Remember XP?
Now remember windows 10. Microsoft got so insecure they even forced adware updates, locked down newer CPUs to windows 10 and STILL people use windows XP.