/tpg/ ThinkPad General

I want to fuck a T420

Do t530 and t530i have the same motherboards? can I replace the cpu? is there space for a dedicated gpu?

>>58482727
It seems that i need to update my template, the EPP discount link is wrong.
Use http://pastebin.com/JVwVGVTW

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Man I want an x62. Have sent messages expressing my interest. Anyone got any good infos on when more might be available?

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I have a request from those of you who have a x220. I'm thinking of getting one too and I want to know if Dota 2 works on it and how. Can you guys install it and tell me around how many fps do you have while on lane? maybe even make a video or something? I'm not really that interested in playing games on it but from time to time I'd want to play a dota 2 match with some friends so I'm curious if I can do that from an x220. Thanks a lot.

>>58482798
there is no X62 that I know of but I guess you mean X61. in that case, ebay is your friend senpai

>>58482815
>I'm curious if I can do that from an x220
It's dont. Maybe x230 can just barely run it with lowest of settings

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>>58482849
No, that pic is my x61, 51nb are modding x61s to take modern hardware. i7s etc. Give it search friendo.

>>58482815
don't listen to
>>58482884
It's gonna run at lowest settings native resolution (at least it does for me 2.5GHz i5, Linux). don't expect 1080p though.

>>58482798
X62 r3 is available now.

>>58482911
gulp! Got a link? I haven't been able to find anything.

For everybody in here who went from a 520 to a 530 model, how big is the difference between the two keyboards in daily use?
Also, is it true that there are models with both a backlit keyboard and a Thinklight?

>>58482997
why not just replace the keyboard with the 520 one?

>>58483035
If that's possible - and the 530 indeed still sports a Thinklight - that would be the best solution, of course.
I haven't looked into it, since I assumed that the old keyboard would be incompatible due to differences in size and connectors.

>>58482907
well I was curious cause my PC is already shitty and x220 outperforms my current pc configuration, in benchmarks, at both
processor:
>AMD Athlon II X3 450: 2625
>Intel Core i5-2520M @ 2.50GHz: 3554
and "video card":
>GeForce 8500 GT: 139
>Intel HD 3000: 312
so theoretically it should be able to handle Dota 2 since I already play it on this PC (lowerst settings, 1280x800, fps capped at 35 so my CPU doesn't overheat and get fps drops... eh, at least it works xD) ...but I was curious to see some actual numbers from the x220 at the same settings.
PS. yes, I know my PC is shit af but I saw no point in upgrading it since it was enough for what I was doing, so please refrain from commenting on my current configuration. Stay on topic pls guys.

>>58483068
I don't have numbers because I actually don't really like Dota. I just checked if it worked and then deleted it. But it works.

>>58483062
you can do it senpai.

http://m.canadacomputers.com/mobile/itemid/098423

Should I get? (Prices in Canadian dollars)

>>58482953
https://weidian.com/item.html?itemID=1969558724&wfr=c

>>58483211
My my that is a lot of Chinese!

>>58483139
Shows how little I'm ready to do by myself. yx20 -> yx30 keyboard mods have already been realized.
Thanks for sticking with me on this.

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>>58482727

Did he use a Think Pad?

>>58482727


Aside from USB-C etc, is there any significant difference between the current T460 and the upcoming T470 ?

I'm not excited for USB-C, and wondering if I should bother waiting.

[I managed to post right at the end of the last thread, oh well]

Do you use your trackpad or the trackpoint?
Just got my first Thinkpad and i can't really decide what to use

Anyone in the Portland, Or looking for a new t420s? Trying to sell mine after getting a t430. I'd be down to trade for something too.

>>58483891
trackpoint because the touchpad is such garbage

>>58483891
it's best to disable the trackpad. there has never been a decent trackpad on a thinkpad because the trackpoint is superior to any trackpad out there.

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What kind of battery life are you getting, /tpg/?
T430 here with quad core cpu, sleeping 7200RPM drive and mSATA ssd as system drive. Minimal load (browsing the internet), no background activity, 50% screen brightness.
Pic rel

>>58483891
trackpoint, you should disable the trackpad desu

>>58484079
also the battery is genuine 9cell, 91Wh of original 93Wh capacity.
Am I doing it right, or should it be more?

I want a ThinkPad so hard.

>>58484137
what's stopping you anon

>>58484150
his parents doesn't want to pay for it

>>58484137
depending on which model you want you can get one anywhere between $20 - $2000+

>>58484093
you should measure the discharge rate
If you find a software that stores that data to a file, you can average those readings and get a better estimate of the battery life(divide the full charge capacity by the average rate to get the number of hours)

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>>58484391
I think windows event collector is doing this in the background. Too bad I disabled it for battery saving purposes :^(
Also lelnovo power manager says (almost) the same

I am considering buying a Thinkpad, but need some direction.

I was thinking about the T420 or T430, but don't know which one is better?
I am also open to other recommendations, so fire away.
I am trying to spend under $250.
Thanks in advance for your help.

>>58484477
is it going to be a shitposting machine or for working and business?

>>58484477
T430
>quad core + nvidia dgpu option
>nvs5400m (overclockable) option, which is as fast as GT640m dGPU
>22nm CPU instead of housefire 32nm sandy bridge
>two keyboard options - either shitlet with backlight or glorious classic one from t420
>2xUSB 3.0
>16GiB 2133MHz RAM option
>rapid charge
>HD4000 iGPU instead of HD3000 (twice as fast)
>more accurate LKN-4 fingerprint reader (T420 has shitty LKN-3, which doesn't even distinguish different fingers kek)
>LTE modem option
>hybrid power boost, which basically allows the battery to be used as secondary power source in 45W CPU + 35W dGPU config and 90W power supply (can deliver up to 130W)

>>58484464
>power used: 6 watts
what? mine is always 7 or more and i only have iGPU (SATA3 SSD + HDD on caddy)

>>58484652
Is HDD sleeping?
Mine is also using only iGPU. dGPU is unpowered since there is no graphics load.
Also did you properly configure your OS? Win10 by default has a lot of shit running in the background, including telememetery

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>>58484652
here's what you can disable
plus you can remove all modern apps running in the background (check the task manager)
Not to mention a lot of tasks in task scheduler

>>58484150
>>58484255
>>58484236

Wallet does indeed. Parents are long forgotten.

Anyway, the more I lurk here the more I see the T420 (14", core i5) as the right choice.

I just want a reliable laptop that can support a light penguin distro to do my usual shit like browse /g/ or read emails, eventually writing some code.

Choosing is losing, of course.

>>58484792
You sure about t420?
x220 is a lot better imho.

>>58484792
I gotta agree with >>58484804
because it's smaller without sacrificing performance. I love mine. Probably the best laptop I've ever had. Still, on the T420 you could get 1600x900 while on the X220 you're limited to 1366x768. If you want to code, you might want to take resolution into consideration.

>>58484804
>>58484847

Dang. I've just found a x220 for less than 120 bucks, that could be the one deal. The low resolution is an argument in favor of the T420 though...

>>58484874
I'm fine with the resolution but really only because it's not my main computer. I'd just advise you to set up a VM with your preferred distro to 1366x768 and try to use it for a while.

>>58484874
But still, you'd probably need to pay extra for 1600x900 T420. Most units got 1366x768 screen

>>58484917
this. 1600x900 models are more expensive and even kinda hard to find at times

>>58484934
>>58484917
Goddamn it. Ok fellows I'm doing it, I'm taking this x220. Can't waste this opportunity and it won't be my prime coding setup anyways so the resolution really doesn't matter. Thanks for your advices, see you soon for report.

Were T410 and E6410 the very last
>business laptops
to have a 16:10 screen?

>>58485192
Yes.
16:10 is cancer.

>>58485227
>higher resolutions and more screenspace is cancer
k

any of you own a x201?

would you say its alright for just basic web browsing and media playback?

>>58485238
>more screenspace
Nope.
1440x900 is less than 1600x900, and that's a comparison of highest T410 option and highest (official) T420/T430 option.

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>>58485238
>this fucking guy

>>58485253
The equivalent of 1600x900 in 19:10 is 1680x1050 you retard not 1440x900.

>>58485304
16:10*

>>58485253
900px of a 14" 1600x900 is less mm than the 900px of a 14" 1440x900

>>58485245
even an X200 totally is.

>>58485304
You mentioned T410 and E6410, you stupid cunt, and that's what I'm referring to.
>The equivalent of 1600x900 in 19:10 is 1680x1050
>The equivalent
>equivalent
You're fucking stupid. Shoot yourself before you contaminate the gene pool with your defective ones.

>>58485328
>is less mm
So we talk about actual resolutions and available workspace, as this faggot >58485238 is, or are we talking about your autistic memeters?
Get outta my /g/, bitches

>>58485333
>>58485333
>You mentioned T410 and E6410
What? I haven't mentioned any ShitPads

>equivalent is not equivalent hurrr
Are you literally retarded or just autistic?

>You're fucking stupid. Shoot yourself before you contaminate the gene pool with your defective ones.
I already have children, you figin thinkpadfag

>>58485363
>What? I haven't mentioned any ShitPads
>Were T410 and E6410 the very last
>I already have children
More like your wife has children. Cuck

>>58485389
>2017
>wife
topkek, stay virgin faggot

>he thinks >>58485192 is >>58485238
faggot

Is there a reliable place to get Thinkpad parts? I have one with a lame fan.

>>58485411
So you're divorced?
Somehow it doesn't surprise me. Divorcing a retard is inevitable

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So what's the deal with the batteries for t430s ? Can the non-lelnovo ones be trusted ? Any way to find a genuine one cheap ?

I guess i'm gonna get an answer only from the mighty xsauc <3

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I have a t430 that I leave the battery out of, I use it as a desktop, tucked off to the side of my desk

looking at this dock, the ports gained would definitely be worth it, but I'd like to know, can you use that big button as a power button (on/off)?

I'm not bothered in any way by having to do this, but every day I have to open the thinkpad lid once to turn it on, then close it again. I am primarily looking into this for the ports, but if I can turn it on and off with the big button then that is just a bonus

>>58485450
there is dedicated power button right above that large release button

>>58485450
>that I leave the battery out of
Why?
Are you retarded?

>>58485450
Why not use both screens ? You can use the button on the dock too

>>58485470
I have one 1080p monitor directly in front of me, it is enough to meet my needs. also I don't want the laptop screen to burn out. Maybe things have changed and it isn't likely to happen anymore, but still I'm paranoid

>>58485466
doesn't that ruin the battery? are you a RUDE poster?

>>58485465
that is what I thought it was, but I wanted to be sure. thank you, my fellow black man

>>58485526
And how exactly do you "ruin" the battery by keeping it in a business laptop with charging control provided to the OS?
You do realize you can create a 5% (or more) charging margin in any thinkpad, so the battery isn't charged again and again when it loses some charge?

>>58485571
>5% (or more) charging margin
which is actually an EC feature, so you don't even need to turn on your computer. The battery will not be recharged at all if you keep it in.
And you actually do much more damage to the battery when keeping it separate, unless you keep it charged to exactly 50% (3.7V per cell)

>>58485333
>>58485363
hush, yes we are more than two people in this conversation

>>58485355
>>58485328
I the faggot am having a point that more pixelspace is fine as long as it's not less physical space in favor of useless thick bezels

>>58485571
>>58485595
>>58485571
No, I honestly hadn't known that

So even if I never plan on moving it from the dock, I should leave the battery in?

>>58485621
>So even if I never plan on moving it from the dock
you should get a desktop then

I'm looking for a ~12" laptop in the ~$150 price range, but even lower is better. I've been looking at old x series and elite books, but would I be better off getting a Chromebook? Primarily for notetaking

>>58485450
I use that dock, my t430 and a 1080p monitor at school
The "big button" releases it, above it is a power button. You can turn it on with the lid closed

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>>58485621
Yes.
If you're not gonna use the battery for a long time set custom charging thresholds in lelnovo power manager, preferably 50%

best distro for a x201?

>>58485786
Windows Embedded Standard 7

Is there a 14" or less ThinkPad with thunderbolt and ssd and a decent set of ports?

Or any good laptop with those specs that isn't super expensive? The only thing I see that's kinda what I want is the XPS13 but it seems pretty expensive for what it is. God I hate ultrabooks

Why does the T430 keyboard have to suck? I want to get a T430, but the keys look so cheap

>>58486253
get T430 and replace the keyboard.

>>58486465
can you link me to a good replacement? the stock one looks like crumbs would fuck it up

>>58485674
woah where do i find this setting ?

>>58486511
he means to get one from t420

>>58486536
do they just swap out that easily?

>>58486253
T430 is actually a good choice because you get 3 different keyboard options, chiclet, backlit chiclet, and classic.

>>58486253
I had to buy one, cuz my t520 melted. Took about 24hrs. Now a convert. It is a good keyboard.

>>58486566
where can I choose a classic keyboard?

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I just got my T430 and it's great, but I have an issue with it:
Sometimes when I scroll down I get this weird diagonal line. What could it be? Faulty screen? Software or hardware issue?

>>58486570
Better than the "classic" keyboard?

So should i pull a trigger on x220 for 200€? It's in good condition and every physical thing works.

Pick one:

T420, T420S, T430, X220

Do not take price into account

>>58486536
> in lelnovo power manager

>>58486649
I think it's cancer

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>>58486649

>>58486738
thought there was none for win10

>>58486663
yes

I wouldn't say it's better than classic, but it's certainly not crap. I've used some classic models that felt like crap though, but that could have been due to wear.

>>58486753
>>58486787
t-thanks /tpg/

>>58486814
as you can see there is.
Just install it in compatibility mode and change the setup.exe file to setup1.exe, then during installation change it back (when it asks for the file)

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>>58486937

>>58486649
screen tearing, set your screen refresh rate higher

>>58486649
>>58486981
Looks like he's using some version of Linux. Might want to check to see if your compositing manager is running.

>>58487028
oh you're right

stop using linux

Recommend me a 9 cell battery for my t420i pls /tpg/. Holy fuck ~$70 for a battery....

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>>58484079
t430

>>58486953
>>58486937
damn, will do it first time tomorrow morning.


on a side note: should there be a feelable difference between 3320m and 3230m ?

>>58487227
yes, 3320m is better
more l2 cache, better iGPU frequency

Is it possible to avoid BIOS shutdown when it detects critically low battery level on X220?

I think my sensor is damaged, I cannot recalibrate the battery. The laptop lasts 8 hours with it, but if it's put to sleep it won't power on again because the sensor says it's on last breaths.

>>58487436
Start by taking out the battery and clearing all capacitors by pressing the on switch for one minute. This will also reset EC.
After that you can try to start it again.
Plus try to update battery FW. You should find the program on lelnovo site, in the drivers section

Should I update BIOS to latest version when I buy a thinkpad?

>>58487705
Depends
Sometimes old bios releases has mpcie whitelist disabled, so it's not worth updating, especially in case of newer models

>>58487028
>>58486981
I think it's Linux Mint related, I'm switching distro

>>58487718
It's just a T530. Will updating the BIOS hinder upgrading the display in some way?

>>58487747
You should check which BIOS you got installed.
>hinder
No

Are 50-60 average temps on an X220 normal?
I've seen the cpu go up to around 80 when browsing chrome. Should I be worried?

My T420 idles around 40~ so this seems high to me

>>58487761
it should idle around 40, otherwise repaste
>80
depends on which cpu you got, and still depends on how much loaded it is. "browsing chrome" tells us exactly nothing

X220 or T420? I'm looking for a used thinkpad that can:
1.run macos sierra, along with linux with windows as a main OS
2. has usb3, or something that will allow usb3 (adpater mabye?)
3. Has a decent screen
4.Also want the old non chiclet keyboard

>>58487761
Repaste

>>58487825
>has a decent screen

Don't even think about X220/T420 then. Their displays are utterly abysmal.

The X220 can be upgraded to a barely palatable IPS panel, but good luck finding it since they're long out of production.

The T420 can be upgraded to, again, a very barely palatable TN panel from an Alienware machine.

You need to look to the 2013 thinkpads (T440/T540) if you want a thinkpad capable of being upgraded to a genuinely decent display which is still obtainable.

>>58487876
Does the t420 and x220 have 1336 by 728? (or whatever that standard res was) Honestly that's the minimum I was looking for. Just need it to have decent looks when using it normally.

What about the other things?

>>58487908
Resolution is far from the only aspect of a display. The T420 can sport a 1600 × 900 panel natively, which is a passable resolution. But the contrast, viewing angles, colours and black length are just pathetic. It's going to be an ugly, ugly display if you want to go down that path.

>>58487940
I see. Do they have the ability of #1 and #2 from
>>58487825
?

>>58484079
With my old X40 with a new chink battery, 8 hours with wifi on, 12+ off (low brightness). I am running all the Powertop optimizations etc. It's perfect.

>>58487959
T420 owner here. No the T420 doesn't have USB 3.0. You can get an express port adapter to USB 3.0 card but even then, the speeds are rather slow.

I have the 1600x900 matte finish panel in my T420 and it's as >>58487940 says. Resolution isn't everything and while the extra pixels are nice, the screen has awful colors and viewing angles.

It sounds like you're looking for something with newer features and while the T420 is a solid machine, buying one now (unless dirt cheap) is a mistake imo. Look around for a used T430/440 if they're in your price range. Better panels (although many complain about the change in keyboard) and have newer standards. Not to mention newer CPUs that are more efficient (if looking at the 440 and its' haswell chipset) and run cooler.

>>58488001
>>58487940
thank yall so much. noted

Found a deal guys. T430 for $48 minimum (is an auction)

Might be interesting for someone of yall. Has battery, tested for keys, OS not included

Is haswell much of an improvement over ivy bridge?

>>58488174
yes

>>58488183
no
haslel ulvs are shit

>>58488183
it's a tock on the old tick-tock, so it is a decent move if the price is right

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>>58487519
Sadly no difference. I'm losing all hope here.

>>58488174

>Auction
> "Deal"

It's not actually a deal nor yours until you win the bid and auction, dip-lord.

>>58488203
Would an i5-3320M be better than an i5-4300U in that case?

>>58488218
No difference after what?
Is this a genuine battery?
Just update the firmware

>>58488228
Low price to bid off of tho. 5 hours left for an i7 t430 with 8gb memory that's currently at 49 is something to keep an eye on

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>>58488233
yes, the i5-3320m is faster.
Also the iGPU is better, especially when combined with dual channel ram (which x240 lacks, if you plan to buy it)
3320m is on the left

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What is the temperature of an idle x201 with 520m? Mine around 50C. I think it's a bit too hot.

>>58488249
also keep in mind that this i5-4300u score is fully dependent on turbo mode, in which the CPU cannot operate for long periods of time due to temperature and throttling. The CPU itself has TDP of 15W, while it's 25W during turbo mode enabled.

>>58488235
>after what?
Erm maybe after doing what I quoted?
>genuine
It's genuine, it's new.
>update
Firmware is updated. Doesn't help.

>>58488393
I think you can try drinking bleach. This should definitely help.
Also the battery is fucked. Return it

>>58488409
You're mean! I'll do that.

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>>58488427
I know I'm mean. That's why I don't have a lot of friends.

>>58488338
Checked. It's ok.

Am I understanding the x220 tablet correctly?

The two screen types are MULTI and OUTDOOR? Where MULTI responds to finger and stylus while OUTDOOR only responds to a stylus?

Quick question, will the T420 accept this? It's 2x8GB sticks of PC3-12800 RAM
https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B008LTBJFW

I've read that it's only supposed to support 8GB but that 16GB will also work, I just want to confirm before I buy it

>>58488812
yes, correct

>>58488884
Thanks anon, follow up question, if the MULTI accepts both finger and pen input, is there a way to disable finger input and only use the pen? Or vice a versa?

>>58488902
yes. Just disable the proper input device in device manager
But why would you like to do that? Finger input is disabled when a pen is close enough to be detected by wacom layer

>>58488925
>Finger input is disabled when a pen is close enough to be detected by wacom layer

Didn't know that! Just trying to find out what I can before I go out and buy one. Thanks for the help anon.

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shameless self promotion here

if anyone is in the 48 continental US states, I really want this sold, shoot me an offer of $130, and of course the shipping is free just as it says on the listing

I originally sold it before but it was considered undeliverable as addressed, so I had to wait 20 days to get it back from the time I had shipped it out. i just want it off of my hands now, as this was supposed to be a done deal since last year

>>58489025
stop what you're doing. Advertising is against the rules

http://sprunge.us/XZdf

oh god please help, my T420 won't stop throttling and it's so bad my typing lags

just set it up again after using my X220T for months and was wondering why it was so fucking slow

(skip to the bottom of the past to see it)

What do? None of my other ThinkPads have had this issue

>>58489678
Repaste, you dumb nigger?
Check if the heatsink is properly aligned to the CPU die, plus check the heatpipe for any cracks and leaks

>>58489696
Oh, you actually think it's a hardware issue? Somehow I doubt it.

>>58489708
Of course it's a hardware issue. You said by yourself
>and it's so bad my typing lags
You fucking cretin, how can software lie about ACPI temperature readings provided by CPU?

>>58489737
Hm. Okay then.

What RAM setup do I need to maximise IGP performance on a thinkpad? If I buy a T440 with a single stick of 8GB should I be looking to get another stick for dual channel? What speed? Etc.

>>58489779
Dual channel with max frequency you can get
starting with ivy bridge the recommended frequency is 1066MHz (2133MT/s)
>should I be looking to get another stick
yes
>What speed?
Same as second stick

>>58489737
>>58489749
Sorry for posting like a jackass. I guess it makes sense it's a hardware problem. Just want to properly thank you. I'm a bit stubborn at times and haven't had this issue on any other machine so I was just in denial. Thank you so much. I'm gonna tear this thing apart and take a look at it now. Luckily I have other machines to use while it's in pieces. Have a nice day.

>>58489786
Is 1066mhz the maximum frequency the ivy bridge thinkpads support?

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>>58489836
Are you trying to make me feel bad for calling you a nigger and fucking cretin?
Try harder

>>58489864
all ivy bridge cpus supports max 2133MTs (1066mhz), not only thinkpads.

Sup /g/

Picked up an X220 and the charger is a 65W unit with a 20V output, but I also have a Belkin universal charger 90W with a 19V output. Would they be compatible, or should I stick with the official one to be safe?

>>58490164
How much did you pick it up? Would you recommend it for 170€?

>>58490178
The X220? I got it for $265 dollarydoos so 170 eurocoins is about the same. I'm pretty happy with it so far. Very light and portable, decent battery life and some okay power behind it. My only problem with it is the fan, which is high pitched like a mosquito when under load.

How much battery life can I expect out of a T440S running either Windows 10 or Ubuntu?

Roughly when do you guys think the Broadwell thinkpads will start coming off lease? I'm tempted to by a T440 right now but if used T450s are about to start flooding ebay I'll wait.

is lenovo abandoning their P series?

So I have a t61 and an x61t, that I ordered around the same time.
The x61t has an extra gig of ram (3gb while the t61 has 2gb). I have windows 10 32bit on the x61t, and gentoo amd64 on the t61.
Running modern websites on chrome on the t61 slows it to a crawl, whereas everything is smooth even with multiple tabs on the x61t.

What gives? Is it windows? Is it the extra gb of ram? 64bit vs 32bit? Smaller screen size?

Will and SSD make my battery life better for my t420s? Currently get around 3 hours on a full charge and it's infuriating.

I ordered a t61 off ebay last week and it finally arrived. This is my first thinkpad and I have to say I'm pretty impressed. I was using a netbook with the chiclet style keys before and I can really see why you guys are always raving over the keyboard on these.

It's got a T8300 2.4ghz core duo, 4gb RAM and a pretty small HDD which I'll be replacing soon.
Running Mint18 at the moment, everything works out of the box.

I really like the size of this thing, it's exactly what I was hoping for. I'm really not a fan of those huge laptops.

Honestly I couldn't be happier with my purchase, especially since I got it for $135aus from a reseller.

Does anybody know how tricky it is to flash the BOIS or my x220 so I can make a hackintosh?

>>58490567
Probably not. They have always stuck to having a high end "desktop replacement" type

Just a question but what does the "i" mean on thinkpads. I have an x201i but I dont know what seperates the x201i from the x201

>>58491768
it means, read the OP knowledge base

>>58492107
Haha, I would say that's some pretty sound advice that I would follow. Unfortunately I am not as aimless as you would perhaps expect of me. I did try my best to search the links for information, but it was to no avail. Hence why I am asking other anonymous posters.

>>58492228
literally in the first buyers guide
is it really that hard?

>>58492238
Sorry about that, Anonymous. You would have provided some very helpful advice, if it were true that is.

>>58492238
>>58492282
Haha whoops, excuse me. It appears that I was mistaken. The details just happened to pass me by is all. Sorry about the trouble.

Any good place to buy replacement key caps for the x220? The last place I got it from the plastic switch was wrong. Just need the . Key.

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>>58492282
here, I will spoonfeed you since that site is poorly laid out despite having good info

from ktgee page
>X series models with an 'i’ suffix (eg. X220i) are basically the same as the Regular X series but with lower specs such as being equipped with Celerons, Pentiums and i3 CPU options. Avoid the ones with Celerons, they’re piss slow.

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WHEN?

>>58492335
That being said, I have both an x201i and an x200. Which one do you think I should use.

>>58492355
never
it was a PR stunt
even if it comes out it will be stupidly overpriced and will probably fade into obscurity quickly because enterprise won't bother picking it up

>>58484917
T420s come with 1600x900 screen all the time. Much easier to fine.

I want to run linux and have an extendable touchscreen monitor, mouse, and speakers at home. Must have at least 250gb ssd. No need for cutting edge graphics. Emulation at best.

Fit my foot, please. I'm mostly interested in making the touch screen extension work. Will that be a hassle?

>>58492361
can't really tell you what your needs are
if the x201i has a gimped processor it might be better on battery life
however it will run everything like shit considering even the c2d X200 is showing age

>>58493412
All I need it for is browsing the web, watching Animé, and doing school work. Is the gimp anything to worry about in this situation?

>>58493558
depends
compare performance between your i and regular X200 and see if there are real world problems with one over the other

if it's a celery in your i version it's probably going to shit itself for even """"""modern""""""""" web browsing these days

>>58487290
well, damn the one i'm most likely gettig has 3230m, but nvm.

Is there any difference between the T540 and L540 other than the missing magnesium chassis?

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OCD Autism Review of my P50:

>Living under a rock
>For 3 years, my latest laptop is T420
>order some base model HP enterprise laptop with an i5
>lost in mail for 47 days thanks to idiot customer support
>arrives and turns out to be DOA and built like crap
>refund and go buy a ThinkPad P50 from an actual store, later feeling like a shmuck and thinking I'm nothing but a brand loyalist
>remove from fancy brown cardboard box with "Think" scattered all over it
>skeptical of the nvidia GPUs after my T61p

It's thinner than my T420, yet has less keyboard flex than my thick-ass R40. It also has the old-style hinges, not the Macbook-y rear ones. The battery life is unreal for something that evolved from the W series. If you like the T5xx or W5xx and want modern hardware, this is worth a look.

Oh yeah, it cost $300 less than the HP machine with inferior specs. I don't know quite why.

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>>58493931
>>lost in mail for 47 days thanks to idiot customer support
>>arrives and turns out to be DOA and built like crap
holy shit
I thought those kind of stories were just fictional nightmares

Even chinese sellers have better dependence

>>58493975
also, it's nice that they seem to be slowly unfucking the line with the P series

hope they follow along with T and X

>>58485227
true. should have sticked with 4:3

Which thinkpad should I get if I want to look like a total autistic faggot in public?

>>58487876
X220 owner here. The TN panel isn't even half as bad as you think it is and the IPS panel is among the best on the market. It's also not hard to find. Ebay is full of them.

>>58494165
Why lie? The default TN X220 panel is pure dog shit and the IPS replacement (LP125WH2-SLT1) has a pathetic 67% sRGB coverage. It's only barely palatable because it's IPS and has above 500:1 CR.

You don't know what a good display is.

>>58494205
I have owned several 100% Adobe RGB displays and all I can say is: The X220 TN panel is a good TN panel and the X220 IPS panel is probably the best laptop display of 2011 (aside maybe from the Macbook pro)

>>58494319
>X220 IPS
what about the X230T IPS? I assume it's nothing line the X220 since I have one and it's complete dogshit relative to other IPS laptop panels

The x220/t420 panel really isn't that bad

>>58495450
yes it is

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>>58493975
>>58493986
It gets weirder. The T460/T460s units with similar specs are outright stupid for the price in some stores. For example, the T460 models with i7 CPUs cost WAY MORE than the corresponding P50 at Micro Center. This P50 was $1000, but the T460 i7 1920x1080 model would have cost me $1500. Yet they have the same generation CPU, the P50's even being quad-core. What the shit?!

Not to mention, the base model T460s is always 1080p while the normal T460 is stuck with 1366x768 unless you fork over more money. In spite of this, the price difference between these base models was $50 or something.

Some people claim the T460s is way easier to service than the T460. If our choice is between easy maintenance or a swappable battery, all I can say is, "jesus christ why"

>>58495762
No it isn't. It's sharp and readable, hence perfect.

>>58495949
I wouldn't call it sharp but it's not as shitty and horrifically unusable as people ITT will pretend it is

is it worth to upgrade from t420 to t430?

>>58496049
At least on the X220 screen I'd need a magnifying glass to distinguish pixels.

>>58496082
No. The T430 isn't better in any aspect and worse in some.

>>58496124
But that's wrong.

>>58496124
read this:
>>58484558
you FUD spreading nigger

>>58496132
>>58496144
thanks man for info, will replace my t420

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pe4c v2.1a for $40
I already got the 225W Dell PSU.
Should i fall for the meme? It's gonna be used by T430

if t420/x220 will outdated in future
what model will be standard 170-220 usd model

>>58496124
What is USB 3.0
What is Intel HD 4000
What are backlit keyboards

>>58496504
its just 40 bucks, if you doont like it sell it or send it back and giv us info how it runs

>>58496913
>what are backlit keyboards
A meme that is objectively inferior to Thinklight and nothing more than a gaudy waste of battery life?

>>58496947
I know a lot of people prefer the older keyboards.
The backlit keyboard looks very nice. If it's the same as the X230 then you can still use the thinklight, if you prefer that.

I've bought a secondhand T420 and it generally works flawlessly aside from some bezel damage - one thing that I find really weird however is that on linux, the optical drive keeps randomly activating and deactivating (the drive makes a sound and the led flashes a few times) with the slightest bump and even during typing - this doesn't happen on windows 7, most likely since the drive turns itself off to save power. If I press onto the the drive tray, it also activates for a few seconds - anybody encountered something like this? Might this be a hardware issue or could it perhaps be something driver/kernel related?

>>58484558
>>22nm CPU instead of housefire 32nm sandy bridg
suppose it's even better compared to 32nm arrandale city fire ?

>>58497314
yes
arrandale was complete shit, especially due to 45nm iGPU

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>>58497363

why'd they make the fan & CPU a pain to get to? Would've much preferred only needing to pop off the bottom of the laptop and unscrewing one or two things to get to them but noooo, just had to make it complicated.

>>58497744
Im talking about the x201 to be exact. I don't know about other TP's. Haven't looked at their guts yet.

>>58497606
:^) jet fuel canot melt thinkpad

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Will putting my thinkpad on a dock charge the battery?

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Yo, could someone with t430 with nvs 5400 post their temps under load?
Asking because mine go above 100C and during idle they are around 60.
Pic related. Is it normal? I cannnot change thermal pase because of warranty.

>>58499006
i used a dell latitude at my last internship and the docks they provided us also charged my laptop. The charger plugged into the dock.

I guess it will depend on the dock model.

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Are those things of any use?

>>58496947
>Actual useful shit is a meme, just because muh thinkpad does not have it
Also, since when are USB 3.0 ports and better graphics not useful?

>waste of battery life
Dunno about thinkpads but on macs it's literary a 2min difference in benchmark when using the keyboard backlight

>>58493931
>It also has the old-style hinges, not the Macbook-y rear ones.
which ones? I always liked the MacBook hinges because they are the only ones I have seen when you can open the lid and shake the laptop base in air and the display won't shake.

>>58499006
if it's the dock for that thinkpad, and the battery is installed or attached to the dock, and the charger is connected to an active outlet, as well as the docking station, then yes.

Just sold my t420s for about 180 so now I'm looking for a replacement and I've decided on the x220 but what is the best version? I know the x220t has a much better screen as well as the tablet mode but how much worse is the battery life? I really need something with good battery life ( like 5 hours at least ).

>>58482815
x220 will do lowest possible settings but native resolution, x230 will happily run it with a few nice graphical settings turned on.

>>58499446
for cooling? perhaps.
Depends on the position of the fans, but they serve as a good stand for your pc

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Anyone has the X250? How is it?

>>58497079
anybody?

>>58500187
>Linux
found your problem

found an i7 x220t with no battery or optical drive for 75 bucks on auction. Would bidding 100 bucks be too much for it?

>>58500187
It shouldn't be doing that something is probably lose.

Might have something to do with the active protection system so you could take a look at http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/HDAPS

>>58500187
Try doing this:

udisks --inhibit-polling /dev/sr0

>>58500463

udisks: command not found

>>58500488
Install it then?
Also, see: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Hdparm#Power_management_configuration

>>58500187
i saw some ultrabay related power options in the bios, check em

>>58492581

I found this:
https://archive.is/33qP4

>>58500503
I doubt its polling if hes saying that nudging the laptop causes it.

>>58500578
Don't see anything ultrabay related unfortunately. It's almost like there was a loose connection somewhere but in that case it should've had problems with Windows too I guess.
>>58500405
>>58500503
Will look into these and report

I'm going to build my own PC but should I also buy a ThinkPad on the cheap for bants?

>>58482727

Should I wait for T470 or get a T460 now? (I don't care about usbc/thunderbolt)

>>58484792
I have a T420
Kinda want a X220 for carrying around though.
But I wouldn't trade my T420.


Now, if I could find where to buy the 1080p mod board, I'd be all set

>>58501016
>>58500405
HDAPS is harddrives only; this is a DVD drive.
>>58500503
udisks doesn't seem to help at all.
>>58500992
Occasionally it even happens on its own, but that might be probably caused by the micro vibrations from the fan or something.

>>58501172
Try hdparm.

>>58501249

[fag@pc ~]$ sudo hdparm -i /dev/sr0

/dev/sr0:

 Model=Optiarc DVD RW AD-7710H, FwRev=1.S0, SerialNo=
 Config={ Fixed Removeable DTR<=5Mbs DTR>10Mbs nonMagnetic }
 RawCHS=0/0/0, TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=0
 BuffType=unknown, BuffSize=unknown, MaxMultSect=0
 (maybe): CurCHS=0/0/0, CurSects=0, LBA=yes, LBAsects=0
 IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:120,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120}
 PIO modes:  pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4 
 DMA modes:  mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 
 UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5 
 AdvancedPM=no
 Drive conforms to: Unspecified:  ATA/ATAPI-3,4,5,6,7

 * signifies the current active mode

>>58501350
Now try:

hdparm -M  /dev/sr0
hdparm -S 1
hdparm -B 1

>>58501399
Sorry, I meant:

hdparm -M  /dev/sr0
hdparm -S 1 /dev/sr0
hdparm -B 1 /dev/sr0

>>58501399
>>58501417
Alright but

[fag@pc ~]$ sudo hdparm -M /dev/sr0

/dev/sr0:
 acoustic      = not supported
[fag@pc ~]$ sudo hdparm -B /dev/sr0

/dev/sr0:
 APM_level    = not supported

The -S 1 parameter worked but I'm not sure if it'll make a difference

>>58501464
It's only a workaround anyway, be sure to fix your hardware.

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Which machine is better?

>>58501483
I'm not sure whether it's just the drive or the sata or whatever though, I don't have a replacement to try out

>>58501486
The left one.

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>>58501486
it's like looking at pic related

So quad-core thinkpads are kind of a bitch to find, aren't they?

is there a reason to get an x220 rather than x201? I plan on getting an i5 version of either, upgrading ram and installing an ssd in whichever I buy. I just love the tiny bezels on the 201 but I'm also worried about battery life. Which should I grab /g/?

>>58501886
Well, X220 has Sandy, which is a bit better than Arrandale in X201 (The GPU is better too). I'd go with X220. It's the last X series Thinkpad with the old-style keyboard.

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post your pads

>>58501929
is the difference in performance huge? I only ask because i can find a 201 with an ssd for the same price as a stock 220.

>>58501942
>That padding around keyboard.
Disgusting.
>>58501993
Not much difference in performance. If it's a decent SSD, get the X201 then.
I have an X201T, and it works well.

>>58482750
>T530
Mobo is variable
>T530i
Stripped from most features

You should be able to upgrade the processors on both of them

You cannot add a dedicated GPU, these don't have MXM GPu setups, they are soldiered on.
No ThinkPad has an MXM except W7xx & P50 or P70.

>>58483068
I think the majority of Intel HD benchmarks are based from desktop CPUs.

You do realize that the X220 has a small HSF compared to the T420? Heat will compromise it.

>>58485192
The 8740W has 16:10 as well.
Me thinks X1 Tablet is 16:10 too.

>>58485245
Yeah.
I used one for a work day
>posted photos for ebay and had multiple tabs open
I forgot what spec it was, but an i5, 4GB Ram, some 80 GB SSD and Windows 7 Pro.

>>58485445
Fuck you lol
T430 and later ThinkPads are chipped to not accept anything non OEM.
Supposedly some 3rd party manufacturers have overcame this but I didn't get a reliable source

Someone has been working to find out what determines the lockout and is working on removing it.

Is there anywhere you can get thinkpad batteries retail? Third-party is fine too since I'm using a T510.

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>>58501929
no it's not the last one.

>>58502449
I said X series, not in general.

Best ultraportable for < $200, performance? Doesn't need to come with HDD, plan to put an SSD in it.

Needs a good keyboard and trackpad.

Also, unrelated to this, what do people think of the x131e? Is the keyboard good? Does it work for general use (i.e. anything but games?)

>>58502449
That's a reseated keyboard though, not the original one

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>>58502502
You already know the answer
If you are an ameriburger, you can probably get a X230 for that money.
Other than that, X220 if you want USB 3.0

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Why are the download speeds on my Thinkpad so slow? It's an Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205 wifi card with newest driver. I'm only downloading up to 2,5MB/s but it should be able to download theoretically 37,5MB/s

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>>58502516
So? It acts exactly as in the T420.
>>58502491
Same goes for x230, t530, w530.
Sandy bridge serie should NOT be recommended to anyone on /g/. SB is outdated as fuck and completely unaffordable due to low iGPU performance and shit thermals.

>>58502583
You're too away from the access point?
You can always upgrade it to centrino 6300 to get 3x3 MIMO. This (in theory) increases the stability of connections plus it supports 450Mbps transfers instead of 300 Mbps.

>>58502598
I've heard the top row of keys on the mod doesn't work, or an I remembering wrong?

>>58502623
You're definitely membering it wrong.
There is a EC patch you flash like any other update from along time.
www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Install_Classic_Keyboard_on_xx30_Series_ThinkPads

The instruction is here:
https://github.com/hamishcoleman/thinkpad-ec/blob/master/README

>>58502615
Made a speedtest 21Mbps in my bed (so. normal position) vs 16Mbps 1m next to the router. Maybe I should look if I find a fitting wifi card from another laptop.

>>58486649
Is it a model with dGPU?
If so, tearing is a known issue when using nvidia-prime. You could fix this by disabling the dGPU in nVidia Control Panel.

This issue is fixed in the recently released X.org Server 1.19 and latest nVidia drivers.

>>58502723
It's hard to say anything without proper readings.
How fast is your internet?

>>58502598
X230 has the new style keyboard.
Sandy is better than Arrandale/Ironlake in X201/X201T and the GPU is better as well. Both are outdated anyway.

>>58502766
What? What's that? Linux is shit and it causes massive problems with laptops designed to support linux?
Linuxfags BTFO. Take your anti-autism pills and install windows

>>58502781
>X230 has the new style keyboard.
Are you fucking retarded? I just pointed out you can replace it with x220 one for $10. Do you have eye autism?
>Sandy is better
So? Both Sandy and old architectures should not be recommended. 22nm will not be deprecated for the next couple of years.

>>58502789
ThinkPads are not designed to support Linux. They simply have more support in the open source community.

nVidia is a shitty company and in 5 fucking years they have not been able to release a driver that supports Optimus, a technology included in a fuckton of laptops, while claiming to support Linux.

BTW, T430 with an iGPU works perfectly fine under linux.

>>58502502
Also, anyone know OpenBSD support for x131e

>>58502857
>ThinkPads are not designed to support Linux.
They are according to lelnovo engineers.
>nVidia is a shitty company
Except the proprietary driver works as it should.

>>58502813
>Both Sandy and old architectures should not be recommended.
Says fucking who?

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>>58502770
100k and the router 150k. Just took a look, the connectors are fitting. Still 2Mbps. Pic looks okay, I guess? Btw does it matter on which pin the white and black cable is connected?

>>58502598
>STILL spreading this FUD about Sandy Bridge not being good enough
Holy shit dude just how badly do you regret spending the slightly higher amount of money for a --30 over a --20? This is not an amount of money that you should be sperging over for so long like this. The iGPU is a little better, so what? Anyone who wants to game on their Thinkpad gets an eGPU or W series anyway. You can still use fucking Penryn for most basic tasks without a problem, Sandy Bridge is more than enough for most people's use cases here. Fuck outta here and stop trying to trick anons into spending more than they have to.

>tfw just bought a X220t with IPS display and 8GB RAM
can't wait to get it, still need an SSD. Does it already have SATA600?

Should I buy a w500?
Or should I try to find a w510?

just brought a optical drive caddy to put the hdd my lappy came with, ho badly will having an ssd and hdd in an x220 effect battery life?

>>58502615
>>58502770
Tried an external wifi stick and got 32Mbps. Seems to be a bad connection (even though it shows a good connection) thanks anyway

>>58502899
IT technician who works with fuckload of different types of laptops.
Also disable your tripcode, cunt.
>>58502912
I'm not saying it's not good enough to shitpost on /g/ and watch shota scat porn. I'm saying it's unaffordable. You can pay these 20 dollars more and get much better performance with ivy bridge.
>The iGPU is a little better
you mean HD4000 is twice as fast as HD3000?
Plus it supports OpenCL, has actual intel support for upcoming Windows 10 versions and is much, much more power efficient?
Lol kiddo. x220 is known to overheat during full load with simple i5-2520m cpu, not to mention i7-2620m/i7-2640m units which overheats during fullhd playback?
x230 doesn't overheat with highest i7-3520m CPU even with both CPU and iGPU fully utilized.
Check your fucking facts.

my 2560p is flawless with no scratches on the inside and rim, it has a few scratches on the lid and it pisses me off for some reason, how do you cover your scratches /tpg/?

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>>58502887

>They are according to lelnovo engineers.
[citation needed]
If you don't remember, some xx40 series laptops got completely hard-bricked when installing Linux on them.

>Except the proprietary driver works as it should.
It does not. It provides no method of offloading OpenGL onto the dGPU like it does in Windows. It can only work in optimus-enabled laptops if configured to render absolutely everything else, thus completely nuking battery life. The only somewhat functional solution is Bumblebee, which is a barely working hack made by unpaid hobbyists.

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>>58502405
>Fuck you lol
you too <3

Yeah, that's strange, I find some batteries with some positive reviews. I think I can try one non OEM (if I finally have the luck to find a decent t430s) and try it, I can always return it through amazon. IIRC, you have a t430s too, right ? I guess you are using OEM batt.
Anyway, keep us posted on that .... or SRC ?

night

>>58503014
>butthurt freetard shitposting about nvidia not targeting his shitty community of neckbeards and pedophiles
Top fucking kek.

>>58502405
>T430 and later ThinkPads are chipped to not accept anything non OEM.
There you go, Mr Trap:
https://github.com/hamishcoleman/thinkpad-ec/blob/master/t430s.G7HT39WW.img.d/006_battery_validate.patch.OFF

>>58503056
also t430:
https://github.com/hamishcoleman/thinkpad-ec/blob/master/t430.G1HT35WW.img.d/006_battery_validate.patch.OFF
Same goes for x230, t530, w530.

>>58502910
afaik it doesn't matter they are both situated in the lid, unplug and replug them to be sure.

>>58503043
>i have run out of arguments so i have to resort to insults hurrrrr fucking durrrrrr

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>>58482727
http://r.ebay.com/ZMnD3K
Is this a good deal on a x220?

>>58502910
The unused cable is for 3x3 MIMO config (centrino 6300). These two already connected looks good.
Maybe the cable is damaged in the area of hinge, so it operates only on one antenna?

>>58503084
I just used the actual argument you should accept. Nvidia doesn't give two shits about linux cucks.
Accept the truth desu homily and upgrade to Windows 10

>>58503006
>unaffordable
If something meets your needs and is cheaper than something else that exceeds your needs, how is it less affordable? What logic even makes that a possibility?

>20 dollars more
You can't get a --30 that cheaply and you know it. Especially since you always talk about how you can just put the --20 keyboard in, but never mention that that keyboard costs some $20-$40 by itself. Shit isn't free.

>Windows 10
Fucking disgusting. You have no place on /g/.

>much, much more power efficient
Haswell was the big step there. Ivy Bridge was a minor improvement at best to anything except the iGPU. Stop exaggerating.

>X220 is known to overheat
Funny that mine never did with an i5-2540m. Got toasty, sure, but never overheated. My Nvidia T420 never overheated either, and my quadcore W520 is a cooling champ. Post actual sources to back up your bullshit or fuck off with the misinformation and exaggeration.

>>58503142
>get literally, actually cucked by windows
>calls linux users cucks
lmao

>>58503142
(You)

>>58503157
>Haswell was the big step there
Except that's wrong. Haswell is a marketing meme.
The performance of ULV haswell memes is fully dependent on turbo clocking, which exceeds the nominal 15W TDP. And the haswell iGPU is actually proven to be worse than HD4000 with dual channel shared RAM.
>Funny that mine never did with an i5-2540m.
Maybe that's because you do nothing that loads the actual CPU?
>quadcore W520 is a cooling champ
Wew lad, who could expect that?
>Fucking disgusting. You have no place on /g/.
>says a linux virgin faggot who can't accept the superiority of most used OS in the world
>buhuu I don't have the money!
Shoot yourself, twat. You don't belong here

>>58503006
So you don't recommend outdated sandy, but recommend outdated ivy? I don't get your logic.

>>58503239
ivy isn't outdated yet. Everything pre-ivy is.
Intel newest CPUs are made in 14nm technology, and they announced they won't make it smaller for some time. And this makes 22nm the sweet spot in CPUs if you care so much about money

>>58503208
>Maybe that's because you do nothing that loads the actual CPU?
I recorded, streamed, and converted webms on that machine. It did get hot, I'm not denying that, but it never got so hot that the machine throttled or shut down.

I run Windows 7 outside of my X series pads. You don't have to be full freetard to see Windows 10 for what it is.

>>buhuu I don't have the money!
Yes anon, I own some 10+ thinkpads including some rare models that cost over $400 but don't have the money for a --30 of any kind.

If you're so into spending money needlessly, why don't you just buy a mac? At least you'll get recognition for it then.

Best way to use the trackpoint?
Just got my Thinkpad and I'm wondering what's the best way to use the trackpoint

>>58503263
Outdated architecture means there is one better (higher IPC, higher power efficiency, more features). Hence, Ivy is outdated.

That said, if X230 is the latest X series ThinkPad, that can have the old-style keyboard, then I agree that is to be recommended.

>>58503343
No anon. Outdated in CPUs means unaffordable, unless you're a good goy who likes to waste money on constant updates to get 5% more performance per clock.

>>58503330
There is only one way.
Don't overcomplicate this. Even apes can use it properly

>>58503385
That's exactly how faster Ivy is, compared to Sandy.

>>58503330
Disable touchpad in BIOS for a week and you'll work it out on your own. You won't know how you ever lived without it by the end.

>>58503408
No anon. Twice as fast iGPU (even more if you count 2133MT/s RAM support instead of 1333MT/s) and switch from 32nm to 22nm is actually a lot.

>>58503470
Who cares about the iGPU? The lower power usage is a nice thing I guess.

>>58503402
I already tried right index finger on trackpoint and thumb on middle button ( am right handed) and left index finger on trackpoint and right index finger middle finger and fourth finger on the 3 buttons but I'm not sure what to use or whats more efficient, both feels good

>>58503511
People who play movies, lightly gaym and use the OpenCL support.
HD3000 doesn't even support OpenCL

>>58503616
>gaymen on a thinkpad
You're beyond saving

>>58503616
>play movies
Neither HD4k nor HD3k have the power for heavy filters like EWA Lanczos aka Jinc. For more basic settings, both do. Unless you mean HW decoding?
>lightly gaym
>business laptop
>games
>OpenCL support
The OpenCL performance of HD4k is laughable.

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>>58503648
What's that, fuccboi?
You should make use of that boipucci to afford ivy bridge thinkpad

>>58503780
X220 runs New Vegas just fine too. Turns out it's not that hard to run a 15-year-old engine at 1366x768.

>>58503794
>X220 runs New Vegas just fine too
but not at high settings and 60FPS.

>>58503780
I don't want to afford it, because the X220 is the pinnacle of Thinkpads.

>>58503794
How's it run WoW?

>>58503837
>>>/v/

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>>58503854
After you

>>58503844
N-no it's not
Stop liking what I don't like

>>58495887
>, the P50's even being quad-core. What the shit?!
form factor
the T model is arguably their flagship so it will sell more
P is obscure and larger form factor so its going to be considered less often
>. If our choice is between easy maintenance or a swappable battery, all I can say is, "jesus christ why"
brand went down the shitter years ago

I know this is a delayed reply in a dead thread but whatevver

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>>58504125
>>58504125
>>58504125

>>58503607
are you kidding
Right index on trackpoint, left thumb on buttons. Swap orientation for southpaws. Use one-handed when necessary.

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>>58502813
Where can I find the keyboard for $10

>>58488174
>deal
My W700ds w/ a dock sold for $975
X1C3 sold for $670
701c sold for $260
Qosmio X505 $350
X1C2 $370

And these were all "deals" for 99 cents if you just won the auction.