How come you're not getting paid 110k right out of college, /g/?

>>58243561
Because 110k in San Francisco is worth about 30k anywhere else in the country.

>>58243594
Why would you work in San Francisco?

because you have to be 1 in 1000 to be hired by one of these companies. for every 1 person who has what it takes, there are 999 other people who will never amount to anything other than making excuses for their lack of talent in threads like these

>>58243617
Because that's where all those shitty hipster companies are located other than Microsoft and Amazon.

>>58243561
so so interns earn more / month ?
(7.6+2.5)*14 == 141k > 103k
(or do you only get 12 salaries / year in burgerland ? )

I'm waiting for the basement dwelling anime watchers to blame being white for not having a job.

"Because I'm not a nigger spic woman so they won't hire me. Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"

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Because I've settled for mediocrity.

I'm just now really entering the full-time workforce, and I'm wanting to get into IT. I'm working towards my A+ and MTA, and maybe a third cert in hopes of getting a helpdesk gig or something, with the end-goal of a sysadmin position.

Right now I work at a grocery store, and from what coworkers and management have told me, they're keen on promoting me to a position that would pay roughly what a helpdesk gig would pay here, so I'm glad I seemingly have options.

My local community college offers the Associates degree with a 'specialization' in CS completely online as well, so working full-time is viable for me, at least for the first two years until I figure out if I'll transfer to an actual university or not.

Life isn't so bad. I'm fine with a mediocre career in IT and pursuing my interests, plus, the cost of living where I am is relatively low.

>Told about £32k starting salaries all throughout uni
>Actually go into the real world
>£20k
>Decide to look it up
>Average grad wage is £22k
???

>>58243663
And even then the alternative is...Seattle, portland

>>58243759
It's 12/year. Why the fuck would you use 14? It says "per month"

>>58244189
Seattle and Portland are much much cheaper than SF and you're essentially paid the same.
I make mad dosh in Seattle and can save up easily. Total comp is about 210k/year and I'm up for promo next year.

>>58243561
Because money doesn't motivate me. I rather do interesting embedded stuff for next to nothing than high-paid web dev.

>>58243759
In burgerland, you're paid every 2 weeks, which is annoying as fuck because all your bills / utilities / rent are paid monthly.
If you want to handle things properly, you have to consider you are paid twice a month and twice a year, you get a third paycheck in the month. I'm paid enough to not live paycheck to paycheck so I can say one paycheck goes to rent, the other goes to grocery / savings. But it must be fucking horrible if you're paid minimum wage.

I live in Indiana

>>58244356
Move away from that inbred shithole.

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>>58244324

I'm >>58244054 for context. Is it the norm to be paid every two weeks? I've only worked one job where that's the case. I get paid weekly, my family gets paid weekly, and I know people who get paid once a month.

I live in Houston.

>>58244324
>living paycheck to paycheck
I just keep $4000 in my checking account and replenish it from my brokerage account which gets direct deposits every time it is empty.

>>58244324
>But it must be fucking horrible if you're paid minimum wage.

not everyone is still in high school

>>58243561
Almost certain those are California wages which means $110k is like $60k elsewhere.

>>58244387
Well, I've been in Virginia (DC area), the Bay area, and now Seattle, I've always only seen people being paid every two weeks. I'm actually surprised that's not the case everywhere. I'd love to be paid monthly, honestly, but payroll is set that way.
I come from Europe so I was used to monthly paychecks. But I'm paid twice as much for the same job in the US now so whatever.

>>58243561
fuck that's so much money
how does one get into those big ass companies?

>>58243594
>Because 110k in San Francisco is worth about 30k anywhere else in the country.
This is more than a little hyperbolic. The only real problem with California is the ridiculous income tax, but that is typically offset by the pay increases that come with working in the area. I would compare 110k in San Francisco to 85k in Seattle. The Bay Area is also a fucking shithole, so one must also consider if it's worth an extra 10k or so to have to live here.

i started at 75k right of college in the midwest. i pay $700/month for a 3 bedroom apartment that i have to myself

i want to get into IT but i dont know what kind of job options there are. i think coding of some sort seems like a great job for me but i dont know any thing about that so i dont even know what college classes to take or even what to google. i also dont know if there are any good jobs that pay like 50k+ / yr where i can just write code and work from home or mostly from home. idk. pointers?

>>58243561

I retired last year after 25 years in software engineering. My final salary was about $100K plus $20K bonus -- about the starting salary in Silicon Valley. But houses are a whole lot cheaper where I live (a suburb of Las Vegas), which allowed me to save about 40% to 50% of my paycheck.

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>>58243561
Being born in a third world shithole with no money or talent

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My resume looks like a black hole. My grades are average. And I still have to finish my master thesis.

>>58244324
>In burgerland, you're paid every 2 weeks, which is annoying as fuck because all your bills / utilities / rent are paid monthly.

No -- it's better to get paid every 2 weeks. That way, you get 2 paychecks every 28 days, which guarantees that the money will be in the bank BEFORE you have to write the rent check every 30 or 31 days. It's always nice to have the money a little bit before you need it. I got paid every 2 weeks for like 11 years, and I loved it.

>>58246239
The secret is to live in your car to make big bucks then move the fuck out of Silicon Valley.

>>58243561
Because Silicon Valley is a shithole.

Money can't buy you a better environment.

>>58246402
Some of us got redeployed from field (2-weekly pay) to admin (monthly pay). Many couldn't manage their finances after that. A month's pay all at once broke their discipline.

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>>58243561
what are these random "bonus" numbers? my current office slave job doesn't have anything like that...

>>58244245
because there are countrys where you get paid double the monthly salary twice a year

I get paid 2k a month for being a medior developer. Fuck you socialism.

>>58243561
I'm getting paid 100k right out of college, if it matters.

>>58244072
>believing any university about career prospects and wages

at this point the uk he sector is a fucking pyramid scheme

>>58247174
Same here. Well i get 1600€ a month after taxes as a new grad, southern Europe.

My time is literally worth 10 times less that of an american intern.

Thank you socialism. Got to support those gypsies, shitty healthcare i cant sign out from, the tuition of people that takes 10 years to get through college, refugees, immigrants and their education, housing and healthcare (reason why its saturated), unemployed benefits, other people's children, bazillion of shitty government workers, etc etc.

Then you read here that Seattle has literally no income tax and that they consider California's "ridiculous". Shit.

>>58247575
>wah I don't want to pay my fair share of societal costs.

>>58247650
my fair share of societal costs is the salary of the people i buy stuff from

gypsies, other people's tuition, other people's kids, gypsies, immigrants, other people's healthcare, unnecessary government workers doing a shitty job, arent my problem

>>58247693
Actually they are. Go live on a deserted Island if you don't want to pay any taxes

>>58247711

americans dont pay that kind of taxes, and their country isnt exactlya deserted island, in fact, its better than here

>>58246881
Which ones? Are you talking about Christmas bonuses and such shit?

>>58247737
>what is social security
>what is Medicaid
Educate yourself before you spout garbage.

>>58247831
they dont pay half of what they make as income tax, and they dont have all the overhead we do in europe, i heard about the medicaid thing but i dont think its like our public healthcare at all, same for social security

>>58247575
>southern Europe
You're lucky. I'm from The Netherlands so I'm fucked with insane taxes (21%).

>>58248125
same taxes here actually, dont know why you guys think we have less

>>58248125
>21%
>insane
An average Calfornian will pay 50% in income taxes.

>>58248152
I get paid 2600 euro before taxes. On top of that, if you have more than 22k at the bank, you have to pay an additional 4% on your saved money.

because I studied geosciences and it turns out nobody gives a shit.

BETTER LUCK NEXT TIME

>>58248147
I thought southern Europeans had to pay very little taxes. I guess we're all fucked thanks to the EUSSR.

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>>58246278
>be me
>live in an almost third world shithole (Poland)
>work in printer """repair""" (honestly it's more of replacing/cleaning visibly broken/dirty parts than repair, these printers are what the printer manufacturer sends as warranty replacement units and sells as refurbished, they need to look "new" enough)
>have to use a lot of isopropyl alcohol at work, irritating my nose and making my hands dry
>5x8 hours a week
>effectively takes out 10 hours of my time on my workdays because public transport
>management constantly pushes us to """repair""" moar printers
>after work I'm so tired I don't even feel like playing vidya, not to mention doing anything productive
>all of this for ~380 burgercoins monthly
>after all taxes but before any of my actual spendings like bills or food
>yes, you read that right, an equivalent of about 380 burgercoins is what reaches my bank account every month as a "reward" for all that suffering
...
>burgers complain about earning like 50k burgercoins yearly while doing an easy desk job
>pic rel is mfw
It hurts to live.

>>58247575
Here in Poland older people have the guts to claim that communism was better than what we have now. This is basically Winblows XP syndrome/Stockholm syndrome in action.
Our healthcare is shit too. I have gotten a pretty bad cold this week and the local doctor was 1 hour late to work. I overheard from other people in the line that this doctor is notorious for doing that. She's definitely not notorious for leaving late though. Gee, I wonder if I would be able to keep my job if I did something like this without notice more than once. The """lines""" to specialist doctors are literally years long, by the way. The only way you'll reilably get in touch with a specialist is if you'll pay them at their private healthcare job at which they work after the public healthcare job hours. Then you'll have no such issues as waiting in line. Really makes you think, huh?
I should probably stop before I go full /pol/.

I think I have to say "because I haven't been to college", but I also don't really believe I'd get that much right out of college, or else maybe I'd go.

Living the NEET life struggling to learn to program ATM. Not gonna lie, it's pretty painful and boring. (life in general, not learning to program, although learning to program is not going well either)

Cause I live in Eastern Yurop and thanks to exchange rates my first full-time dev role paid ~$8k/year.

>>58246801
If it's anything like the military, it's money you get just for joining.

I've also heard of stuff like a "Christmas Bonus", though, where I think they just randomly give you extra money at certain periods of time.

>>58247274
Nice. What do you do?

>>58248872
>shithole (Poland)
b-but muh 500+!

>>58248872
>>have to use a lot of isopropyl alcohol at work, irritating my nose and making my hands dry
have you considered a facemask and gloves?

>>58248872
I had a friend who spent a summer in Poland fixing printers too. I'm not too sure about his feelings towards the company, but apparently he just slacked off and worked on his own pace. He loved Poland though. It's such a cheap country to live in that he was drunk most of his past time I hear.

>>58243561

>working for money

you're doing it wrong

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>>58246402
>>58244324

>rent is not getting automatically deposited
what year is it? 1987?

>>58249044
well yeah, it's a cheap country if you got dolaroos/jewros/pounds.

Having spent some time abroad, the way I feel about Poland is similar to how I felt about my hometown after moving to a larger city: nice place to live, but not a nice place to make money.

>>58249171

Poland is a shithole, you're just exploiting their economy instead of investing in it, you're doing it wrong once again.

>>58248872
>The """lines""" to specialist doctors are literally years long, by the way. The only way you'll reilably get in touch with a specialist is if you'll pay them at their private healthcare job at which they work after the public healthcare job hours. Then you'll have no such issues as waiting in line.

You mean paying them at their private job as a bribe? Now that you mention it I think I heard similar stories in here too. And a friend once waited about a year to get a surgery, too. It's so sad that we have to pay those people.

I think Spain is almost third world too. It's supposed to be first world but damn, the healthcare definitely isn't, and the working conditions of some people...

>>58249062
this
your money should be working for you, dumbass

>>58249271
are you dumb?

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Cause that pay is shit compared to what I get in Austin

>>58249280

money is a bad master but a great servant.

Besides, your salary is just a byproduct because you should be sincerely and blindly passionate about what you do and the money will follow you, heck you can hate money with a passion and money will like you. Comparisons and egos, the rat race everything is just empty if you don't click with what drives you and all you need is work ethic, that's why companies create these values and philosophies to latch on, it's just senseless because using cash as a metric to our evolving beings just commoditizes our labor into a standardized and fetishized cycle of need and want

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>>58249001
Facemask in which I will barely be able to breathe?
Latex gloves which will cook my hands in a mixture of sweat and the god knows what cheap chemicals these gloves made of? No thanks.
>>58249044
>I had a friend who spent a summer in Poland fixing printers too.
>spent a summer

Well duh. The company wouldn't refresh the contract with him any further because he was not an efficient worker. There are way less expectations for a short time temporary worker than from a regular everyday worker.
>he was drunk most of his past time
Which skewed his perception of how life here actually is like. Then agan slavs don't drink as much as they do for no reason. Getting shitfaced on weekends is one of the easiest ways to forget how bad the life is from monday to friday.
>>58249243
And that's because the weak and corrupt government is allowing it to be exploitable. Poland needs a strong, heavy handed leader that will unite the people. That's how Poland always was throughout history, strong when united against a common enemy, weak and exploitable once there's no "uniting factor". Poland needs someone like Putin or Hitler.
God damnit, I'm going /pol/ mode again.

>>58243561
Because I make that much by fucking around doing whatever I want and generally being godtier at investing in trends as a result.

>>58249713
>I'm a trust fund babby who got a large inheritance from my parents
congrats

>>58243854
>being white for not having a job.
this is actually a pretty serious issue.
>he's white, he doesn't need to be here! he must have money or someplace else to work, he's white!
have witnessed an employer saying this shit.

also there's the fact that there is legislation which forces places to hire people who are specifically non white... imagine that, a place which hires anyone, is now forced to hire someone so long as they aren't x race (white).

yet there's no colleges which are forced to hand out scholarships for white people..

if that isn't institutionalized racism, idk what the fuck is. you don't see any country other than majority white trying to impose "le multiculturalism" upon their population. if the western world became refugees, who do you think would take us in?

tl;dr racism has been reborn. and it's white people who are the victims neow.

>>58243561

I work DevOps at AWS in a major city. Your not going to make $103k/year starting out of school. These numbers don't even have a source listed.

>>58249821
>literally earning less money than new grads at the same position
Sounds like you're just jealous.

>>58249758

That's why you gotta get that veteran status. Makes you a minority.

>inb4 war for the jews

I was in the Navy, sat on a ship looking at radar screens and learned how to masturbate quietly. The most dangerous thing I ever did was go to some shady brothels in Asian lands.

>>58249888
What kind of ships?

>>58243594
>le cost of living

It's a myth. Shit costs the same basically everywhere other than rent. Your buying power living in San Francisco making 110k is vastly more than some dude living in Hicksville, TN making 30k a year.

Things like electronics, phone bills, cars, appliances, household items, and online services cost the same nationwide.

>>58244412
stop being an idiot

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never went to college or graduated and get paid 30k a year to basically browse the internet for 40 hours a week

it's honestly not that bad, but i do live in coontown

>>58243561
Because being a NEET and getting money for free is better.

>>58250696
Don't forget gas, grocery prices, housing costs, taxes, and mother of all that is holy: traffic are all different.

Also some states have specific retailers others don't have such as Publix, Microcenter, Frys, Belk, etc.

>>58244324
Why would frequency of pay have any bearing on your ability to afford things?

Get good at math dude.

>>58246881
>because there are countrys where you get paid double the monthly salary twice a year

That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

If you make 120k a year they divide that by 12 months in a year and give you 10k a month.

In what mathless shithole would they do things differently?

>>58244387
It varies by company. Tho the most common is probably once every two weeks since it cuts down on payroll costs slightly.

>>58246178
>>>/g/wdg

>>58248125
Try 55% income taxes and 21% VAT.
Belgium, the small country of getting politically fucked in the arse.

You will never achieve anything in these companies, except for becoming a good wageslave with a pretty comfortable life.
I would rather work for my own profit while being poor, then work there.
At least then I will have the chance to truly become successful.

>>58243561
I dunno. I work for a local company (well, it;s a giant ass company and you've likely dealt with our service in your life), but I make $20/hour. I don't do anything particularly important and I'm one of the very few interns, so I can't really say what I should expect once I graduate.

>>58246801
Some jobs, mostly the kind that want to draw the 'best and brightest' have sign on bonuses to help encourage people to join up. It is especially useful for jobs like these designed for recent grads that likely have little savings and would need to move for the position, which means down payment on apartment, security deposit, furnishings for apartment, possibly newer car, etc. Sign on bonuses help with those.

Those companies are both insanely selective and get a lot of applicants. Also I am lazy as fuck and don't care about muh career as long as I have enough to not have to worry about money.

>>58247831
>what is social security
6.5%
>what is Medicaid
1.45%
>state tax rate
0% - 13% depending on state, avoid commifornia at all costs
average is ~5%
>Federal tax rate
for someone making 100k it would be around 20%


>So total tax of
33%

>>58249821
>I work DevOps at AWS in a major city
The average person even at those companies wouldn't make that much. Those numbers are for the 'recent grad program' or whatever each of those companies call it. The program they have where they seek out some number of top tier grads and pay them very well. They will also hire hundreds of other grads for lower rates.

>>58250696
Taxes alone are huge dude. California income tax rate is 13% if he were instead working for microsoft in Fargo ND that would be a 0% rate. Also a 100k house in Fargo would cost 1million or more in Cali.

>>58251351
Keep telling yourself that

>>58250696
>Your buying power living in San Francisco making 110k is vastly more than some dude living in Hicksville, TN making 30k a year.
Not when your rent is $1200 a month for a studio apartment and local taxes take 15% instead of 5% of your paycheck.

>>58251428
>for someone making 100k it would be around 20%
Holy shit no, it would be like 40% unless they have a ton of deductions.

>>58251566
Keep telling myself what?
That I'll be happier working for myself?

>>58251610
I think you don't understand how tax brackets work.

https://www.taxact.com/tools/tax-bracket-calculator.asp

Income: $100,000

Tax: $21,071.25

Tax as % of Income: 21.07%

>>58244300
it's not just web dev. For example, Google has the Android division and Microsoft has a game studio... not to mention the loads of jobs in AI and cutting-edge R&D, most of which are on real time systems. So yeah, it's not only about web dev and you can get paid good money for doing crazy stuff that wouldn't be possible at smaller companies.

>>58243561
I'm fine with 60 and do not have the drive to work any harder

>>58251586
lol 1200$ a month is fuck all on 110k/year even with a shitload of taxes. Anyway I think it would cost you minimum 2500$ a month for something not disgusting. And it's not only about basic expenses, an XBOX or a BMW costs the same in Silicon Valley than in Hicksville, TN.

I would never live on the West coast. Quality of life is my primary concern. I'm fine making half that if it means I can walk to my job like I do right now. In fact I'm quite satisfied living outside of America entirely.

>>58247774
>>58251265
Spain

>>58251807
>Anyway I think it would cost you minimum 2500$ a month for something not disgusting
So a quarter of your gross let alone take home? Then lose another quarter to normal taxes, then factor in things that are more expensive like insurance costs, gas, toll roads you commute on, etc etc and you end up with about as much spare money as making 30k in hicksville.

Not really related but I figure this is the best place to ask a career question:

What is the future of embedded software development? Will it be lucrative in the future, and if so, what will be the most in demand skills?

I'm in my first job out of college, doing embedded software. I generally only work on 68k microcontroller code, and program in assembly, though to be honest I do very little new programming at the moment, it's mostly been bug fixing so far. We will soon start on a new project that will use an ARM microcontroller, and be written in C. The pay is shit, so I want to get out ASAP. However I only started a few months ago, so I will have to wait a bit. In the meantime, I want to grow my skillset, since I'm not sure that what I'm learning on the job will be enough to get a significantly better one when the time comes.

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>>58251904
for out of college it's not bad. After 5 years you'll clear 200k easy. If you have a qt gf that does about 100k that's 300k joint and you can afford a 5k a month apartment with a tesla in the garage.

>>58244423
Pretty much. I took a 50k pay cut moving from thr Bay Area to Knoxville and my net savings per year went up at least a grand. The lower tax bracket helped a lot, but my rent and assorted cost of living plummeted.

California is great when you're single or gay, but if you have a family and kids the cost is too insane unless you're taking home 200k+.

>>58251946
for every embedded jobs, there are 20 non-embedded jobs so unless embedded jobs are really a passion then it won't hurt to have another specialization. Actually, just be real good with C++ and computer science in general.

>>58251946
Embedded can be slave tier but you get godly job security. I've changed positions so many times at this point I wish I had gone for embedded.

>>58252003

I don't know if it's really a passion of mine, though I do know that I prefer it to other types of programming...

>Actually, just be real good with ... computer science in general
Do you mean to be able to solve algorithm questions in interviews?

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>>58246801
It's for retention and to be competitive. Large companies like this are all about the total compensation, which is often a combination of base salary, bonuses and stock. The bonuses, stock, relocation and retirement matching are vested over X amount of years, so if you don't stay you lose it.

For Amazon in particular, you often get a base salary, bonuses for the first two years (first paid up front, the second year split and paid out monthly), stocks vest progressively over 4 years and retirement vests in 3.

For google the stock vesting is much more uniform but the principles are the same. Primarily this exists to retain talent by keeping you on the treadmill.

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because I'm getting paid $105k right out of college

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>>58251351
Depends.

At a place like intel or redhat you could become a great kernel developer and have visible upstream impact/commits in the open source community.

At Amazon you could write the next networking protocol that handles VPC traffic, you could write the frontend API that handles all requests for your service and acquire immense knowledge and have huge impact on the bleeding edge portions of the industry (cloud).

At Microsoft you could be working feature development for the latest OS branches, or working on new parts of Azure.

What do you define as "achieving?"

>>58252140
Interviews? No... mostly because you will be writing computer code and unless your game-plan is to be a 50 years old thermostat programmer then things get really complex and you need to know more than "muh 68k microcontrollers".

>>58249821
If you were an SDE you would be making these numbers, I've heard plenty of reports of the same in Seattle. Devops isn't an SDE title from what I remember, hence they pay your job family lower.

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>>58252295
savage

>op doesn't understand cost of living
>op doesn't understand inflation
>op is retarded
>/thread

>>58252320
It's just how it is. Amazon idolizes developers in their culture, but they also force operations burden on them by requiring their participating in an oncall rotation.

>tfw living in a tourist city with absolutely no jobs other than food service/the few jobs that aren't pay like 20-30k at most while also requiring 30 years of experience+advanced degrees

it's in the south if you can guess

>>58252274
Are there any specific topics I should brush up on? Or are you saying to constantly keep up with the latest developments in CS research?

>>58252486
CS in general, like multi-threading / parallel processing and low level optimizations like branch prediction or writing cache-friendly code. Good OOP and architectural skills. Clean code. Good grasp of the C++ standard and/or the runtime. Stay updated with new trends (muh cloud computing, muh functional programming) and keep filling your brain with technical knowledge until you're 50.

>>58249846
>same position
Devops isn't in the same payband at AWS as SDE which is what is in the OP.

>>58251520
>The average person even at those companies wouldn't make that much.
But they do. Coming in with experience you are in a better position than a new grad is just get some real data and negotiate. If you know your shit, they truly don't care about what university you came from, and I say this as someone who has been working for 2 years at one of the companies in the OP and have been interviewing.

>>58248872
You're an idiot. That's not how salary comparison works you fucking mong. You should look at buying power and yes the difference is still there just not as ridicules as you paint it.

>>58245948
Why do you have a 3 bedroom apartment if you live by yourself?

>>58252785
because it's 700$/month?

>>58252809
imagine how cheap a reasonable option for you would be then

>>58243561
because companies would rather hire someone that straight out of college with no work experience in the field vs someone out of college with experience in the field

>>58252822
since when is 3 bedroom unreasonable? 1 bed room, 1 computer/masturbation room, and a storage room. That's a luxury?

>>58252858
nvm

>>58252858
Entirely. That is 120% a luxury. You are wasting money.

>>58252902
if the guy is making 75k/year then it's not a luxury. If he switch to a 1 bedroom he'll probably save 150$ max. It's not worth it to live like a rat.

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>>58252902
> not having a 2 story house with 5 bed rooms

>>58252924
living reasonably =/= living like a rat

3 bedroom dwelling while living alone is inarguably living disgustingly lavishly, sorry

very american

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>>58252947
The amount of space you have doesn't have much to do with how lavish your living conditions are

someone renting a studio in a pic related is living much more lavishly than someone renting an average house in the middle of nowhere, that's why it costs so much

>>58251265
>a year
It works differently outside US. You're given a figure of how much you earn per month, not year.

>>58252947
and whats the size of a reasonable apartment for you? 300 sq feet?

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>>58255593

location location location

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>>58252733
I am not denying that the costs of living and food are different in different places but try buying something not produced locally (such as electronics) in a country with a low value currency such as Poland is terrible. At some point you WILL have to buy stuff like that unless you wanna live like a fucking neanderthal.
Buying a mid-range GPU like the RX 480 or GTX 1060 would cost almost entire of my monthly paycheck. It would be THE entire paycheck for someone working minimum wage (and 20-30% more than minimum wage is considered good in this country). My entire monthly paycheck is just about enough to buy 3 printers of the model I'm """repairing""" at work. As my job I have to """repair""" 16 printers like this, daily.
Let that sink into your burger brain.

>>58251265
Somebody has never worked in his life.

>>58247711
And yet again the communist can't justify getting cucked by a million and one random retards for his dollar

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I unironically got job offers of 1800 euros a month in the Netherlands after my bachelors. So I continued on to do my masters. 2400 a month starting woohoo.

Why do American companies hire pajeets when they can just as well hire Europeans. Imagine the salaries of east europeans.

>>>58249686
>Then agan slavs don't drink as much as they do for no reason. Getting shitfaced on weekends is one of the easiest ways to forget how bad the life is from monday to friday.

lol sis, u have no idea how much more americans are drinking on average in comparison
most of that is college partying tho, but lots of people don't really stop once they graduate into adulting.

>>58249686
Not the same guy, but when I worked in the lab I had nitrile gloves on all day everyday. That was way better than the alternative (getting cancer). Pretty sure you could at least give a try to gloves.
Can't say anything about masks, never had to wear one for a full day.

Because autism bux only allows ~10K a year.

>>58256491
Enjoy giving way 70% of that in taxes :)

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>>58256529
Thing is we only have the cheapest latex powdered gloves here and my hands get extremely sweaty in any kind of gloves that are for isolating from liduids anyway.
Nobody that isn't a slacking off temporary retard is using gloves here.

>>58256621
well he didn't exactly drop a bajillion on the uni either

>>58244276
Cheaper for sure, but it won't be for long ever since Vancouver up north shut out China using homes as investments, and what do you know, Seattle isn't that far, so that's where all the Chink "investments" are gonna wind up going to next. Say goodbye to being able to actually afford a home!

>>58244054
Are you me, anon?

>Worked inna grocery store for years.
>Going to school for IT, have an IT job on tue way
>Live in midwest making mediocre money but good experience and great work enviornment

>>58245948
3 bedroom apt for 700 mo?

Do you live in the 'hood' of your area?

>>58256621
Someone has to feed those poor imported Muslims.

I've decided to become a professor. Doesn't pay a ton, but gives a lot more freedom in what I can do my research on.

>>58256427
Why won't you get a better job then? Surely there are people in Poland who make a decent living.
If I want to buy a GPU (which is a want not a need) I still have to have 2 (maybe 3 if I have other unexpected expanses) months savings going into it to offset living expanses.

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>>58256966
>Why won't you get a better job then?
Do you think that if I could just go and get a better job I wouldn't do it?
>Surely there are people in Poland who make a decent living.
Of course there are. People with connections, people who went to work abroad then came back, drug dealers and business owners.
>If I want to buy a GPU (which is a want not a need)
A GPU was a pretty bad example but equipment like a fridge, washing machine or a cellphone is also expensive and while you could argue that these also are wants not needs let's not kid ourselves, it's the 21st century.
Buying a factory new car is out of reach for like 95% of people here. Buying even a tiny flat in a garbage location without a mortgage is next to impossible.

Well I kinda dropped out of uni five years ago. Currently I make around 45k euros per annum with 5% tax, so I can put aside 20k every year for investments.

>>58243561
Not prematurely balding enough to do webdev.

>>58243561
The typical rate at my university's internship program 4000-5000 CAD/month for a 4th year student.

Those numbers seem unrealistically high.

>>58256862
Thats the norm here In se wisconsin (no not milwaukee) I live near new shopping developments upper middle class neighborhood. Theres a nice beach a couple blocks away my apartment is newly updated as well. Porch just rebuilt before I moved in. This is two bedrooms for 720. The kitchen and living room are large and bathroom very spacious. Rather have more living space than an empty room.

>>58251586
>$1200 a month in San Fran
Try $3000 a month.

Interesting thread, got me thinking about my job prospects out of school. In a nutshell:
>going to local community college for Associates in Applied Science with transfer option to Bachelors program
>in cybersecurity & computer forensics program
>Linux & Windows systems administrator electives
>live in Pacific Northwest already
>good, but not tech-related, resume including 3 years of management experience

What sort of jobs should I shoot for? While working with my advisor he suggests interning with local banks, the hospital, and mill. Possibly working as Helpdesk for a bit too.

>>58243561
I'm a doctor with residency in orthopedic and still get ~7K a year.

>>58249331
how do you like living in austin?

>>58259442
It's a nice city. Lots to do I suppose. If you live North just outside of Austin then it's very peaceful.

>>58248872
>>Here in Poland older people have the guts to claim that communism was better than what we have now
>proceeds to show evidence that confirms their claims

>>58251996

This. Knoxville's not a bad place either. A lot of companies have been moving tech jobs to the South/Southeast (ie Austin, Nashville, Raleigh, Savannah) for a couple years now due to the lower cost of living and lack of state income tax.

I attended a conference in Nashville and one of the featured speakers mentioned that there were 41,000 more IT jobs in the mid-state than there were workers to fill them. That spells upward pressures on worker wages. Tack on healthcare IT experience and you're making bank in the Southeast.

God bless ya anon

>>58256798
Well, I'm buying next year so I'm counting on prices going up after. Not gonna retire in Murricah anyway, healthcare is too shitty and expensive, I'll go back to France where I'll be able to live like a king with a US pension.

I think I would rather just die than be forced to sell my 40 best hours a week, every week, just to be able to live.