/hst/ - Home Server / Lab Thread

>>58199294
>I want to build a NAS with $1500, any NAS build guides? Just for plex with only a couple clients transcoding.
kinda depends on how much space and redundancy you're after, no?

I put mine into one of those cheap Rosewill 15-bay 4u cases they sell on Newegg. I had the space, so why not.

>>58199337
I guess 3-4tb at least with 1x mirrored,so 6-8tb min total storage. I found some deals on some old tower servers with 2x quad core xeons at various speeds and with 32-74gb of ram so I was considering buying one of those and filling it with drives.

32 2tb Hitachis off ebay for $1000
2-4 raid cards for $180
Random server at most $100
16gb memory upgrade $30-50
Various power adapters/Sata cables $150
Whatevers left on fans and zip ties.

>>58199294
>that 1950 not mounted to rails
kill yourself OP

>>58199381
>2-4 raid cards for $180
you clearly dont know what SAS expanders are for do you

>>58199381
In raid 0

>>58199530
>SAS expanders
For fagits

http://m.ebay.com/itm/3WARE-8506-12-12-Port-SATA-RAID-Controller-Card-With-Cable-/192051877898?hash=item2cb72f180a%3Ag%3AsVgAAOSwOtdYT1Mo&_trkparms=pageci%253Ac4c15f7d-cc86-11e6-91f4-74dbd1805bb8%257Cparentrq%253A4279aeda1590a786f3b204d4ffde627e%257Ciid%253A2

>>58199572
>SATA
>not SAS

>12 ports
>when recommending 32 disks

>>58199607
Yes Sata, for the Sata Hitachis.

12x3= 36 ports > 32 drives

>>58199572
also
>PCIX
who the fuck even has one of those slots

>>58199644
>12x3= 36 ports > 32 drives
again, fucking pointless. you get a 8 port SAS card and plug it in to a SAS expander. Also let me guess, you're retarded enough to not know what STP in SAS is do you? and who the fuck has 3 PCI-X slots? what fucking year is this?

>>58199676
>who the fuck even has one of those slots
people who buy ancient C2Q-based Xeon boxes, probably. Why they do that instead of getting something more recent, I can't imagine.

>>58199676
Look you fucking faggot, my hypothetical fucking list of parts was not ment to be some perfect thing, just something that can be thrown together for $1500. You go ahead and try to fuck with SAS for $500.
You can pick up a 64 bit server with 3 pci-x slots any fucking day of the week, I have 3 collecting dust that I got for free.

>>58199294

All that shit sitting on a carpeted floor.

>>58199294
I wonder what the power consumption for all that crap is...

>>58199772
>was not ment to be some perfect thing
so basically what you're saying is that you were speaking as if you were some authority figure, and since you got btfo, you're now trying to do damage control

>You go ahead and try to fuck with SAS for $500.
12 disk SAS2 shelf for $65 each
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-StorageWorks-Modular-Smart-Array-20-MSA20-3x-500GB-HD-335921-/380793314095?hash=item58a90cdb2f:g:mMMAAOSwA3dYXD7q

A LSI 16 port SAS 2 external HBA for $60 which can be flashed with IR firmware if you want RAID 1/0
http://www.ebay.com/itm/LSI-PCI-E-6GBs-SAS-HBA-CONTROLLER-CARD-H3-25379-01E-SAS9201-16E-/252699039850?hash=item3ad609586a:g:ptwAAOSwA3dYCkfp

I'm too lazy to search for 5/6 capable cards due to how many LSI rebranded ones there are but you can find them at similar prices. This shit isnt hard. There is tons of it from decommissioned equipment. You're just a retard recommending consumergrade shitboxes.

>>58199876
>some authority figure
I just made a list buddy. Never said to do it.

I could go all out and comment on the shipping costs of 3 of those boxes and how that suits going to take up a ton of space. But ehh, I didn't honestly know SAS was getting down there in price.

The main problem you will be facing with this though is your limits on raid. With my suggestion, you are able to just use ZFS with 4 redundancy disks, but with this, not so much.

>>58199876
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-StorageWorks-Modular-Smart-Array-20-MSA20-3x-500GB-HD-335921-/380793314095?hash=item58a90cdb2f:g:mMMAAOSwA3dYXD7q
fuck me, should have been a MSA60, not a 20. anyways they're still readily available on ebays for cheap.

>>58199982
>muh space
thats what racks are for. if you want 32 disks it will take up space

> With my suggestion, you are able to just use ZFS with 4 redundancy disks
wow you're getting desperate now. recommending raid cards but now wanting to do softraid. and anyways i linked a HBA, if you really want to do softraid you still can.

>>58200024
I could grasp on straws all day.
Regardless, it's two different, yet mostly within budget ways to get 56TB. Which is fucking pleb tier.
It's like video cards, they are all shit until you get into the $200 range.
Well storage is all shit until you get into the $5000 range.

>>58199870
not really all that much, since they're made to be running 24/7

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>>58200128
>Well storage is all shit until you get into the $5000 range.

>>58200145
>not really all that much, since they're made to be running 24/7
lol no, i have a dual E6-2660v2 and a Catalyst 3750E. With a 10% CPU load and 1% load on the switch, power consumpution is about 450 watts. Those old shitboxes are going to be even more. From the bar graph on the UPS, you can see it is drawing about 1kW. That UPS is certainly not big enough for it all and im sure that fag has overloaded it before.

>>58200204
>E6
E5

>>58199294
What's your electric bill like each month?

>>58199294
I went with a Dell R510 off ebay for $300 delivered and I'm running freenas and have the plex server plug in running works awesome.

>>58200160
>apple
This explains EVERYTHING

>>58200346
>I dont know what ESXi is

>>58200391
You're using a mac, it's irrelevant if you have an esxi box at that point.

>>58200842
>you have a storage subsystem over $5k
>you're not allowed to have a $2k laptop for web browsing, remote desktop and ssh

>>58199294
>Building
>Get everything together
>Push power
>Surge protector goes crazy
>quickly turn off
>Take apart and try with just mobo
>Okay
>Screw back on CPU
>coolers screws are stripped for some fucking reason

it's been over 3 weeks and I have all the pieces just sitting here. I have no motivation to proceed.

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You faggots sure do care about people's power bill. Even with everything running at 100% in the picture total power pulled is around 2500W which where I live is about $7 for 24 hours. I hardly ever have everything running at the same time though.

>>58200874
There are better options then a mac.

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Best rack

>>58201013
you cant even mount the ears properly.

>>58201067
On the switches? That's so the door doesn't fuck them up.
What is proper in a 4post made of 2x4 anyway?

I wish there was cheap as shit used servers in my country.

>>58199849
why does that matter?

>>58201067
He has a rack made out of wood and a stack of calling cards from Las Vegas prostitutes. Something tells me he doesn't give a shit.

whats the best way to disconnect backupdrives and reconnect them as easily as possible?

>>58201217
Set it up so it powers down them after like 5 minutes of inactivity?

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I have a question, I guess this thread is the most likely one to actually get an answer. I bought a used Dell PERC H310 and flashed it with IT firmware, because I intend to use the drives on it for software RAID, as such wanted the card to provide direct access to them. It's running on up to date Debian stable and seems to work normally.

Is there some sort of recommended testing procedure to follow in order to make sure the HBA is working properly before I add extra drives to my RAID and risk losing data?

>>58201304
Wut, you bought a hardware raid controller so you can have a software RAID array? Software raid is and has always been a terrible idea if you care about the data you are storing.

>>58201354
lol wut. Hardware raid is a performance penalty that doesn't justify itself in 2016 when there are decent filesystems and ECC memory around.

That said, why the fuck would you buy a raid controller when you want a HBA?

>>58201367

Obviously software RAID implementations such as ZFS and BTRFS are fine but when 95% of people say they are using software RAID they mean the shitty onboard implementations on the their motherboard or in Windows which is a terrible idea if you care about the integrity of your data.

>>58201432
>i dont understand why raid cards exist

>>58201367
Because this thing works as a HBA with the proper firmware installed, can be found for very little and the only alternatives I could get where I live were various Marvell-based cards which seemed to have some potential issues with SMART under Linux. The posts I read were a few years old, so the Marvell controllers could work perfectly well nowadays, but I wasn't able to find any confirmation one way or another. The issues I read about weren't just about wrong readings or something like that, but the controllers fucking up and dropping drives (until reboot). That obviously would've been very bad in RAID and I didn't feel like taking the chance. Getting one of these or something similar was the cheapest way to add more SATA ports with a controller that at least appeared to be reliable.

>>58201456
wut

I've got no money nor use for such a huge server rack.
I want to host a simple webserver on Tor.
A simple orange pi pc with a 30gb tf card should be sufficient right?

>>58201488
For a very low traffic server it would be fine.

>>58201467
offloading things from the cpu you tard

>>58201506
Well yeah there's only so many Tor users.

>>58199294
This is my current server:
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/xYdPFd

I recently upgraded my desktop from a 4960k to a 4970k, so I may move the old CPU into my server. I will have to get another motherboard for that though.

I also got another 4tb drive for Christmas, and I am going to install a 5 drive hotswap bay. I want to set up a ZFS array at some point.

>>58201509
wut

Would this be a good mobo for a RAIDZ3 setup?
I asked about it in a /pcbg/ thread and got this response:

>WEEW LAAD
>I have that board. You better be using a JBOD card on that for all those hard drives. The SATA controller that's driving the extra 6 SATA3 ports are utter shit that thermal throttle under moderate load. Speaking of thermal throttling, they use a thermal pad to stick the heatsink on the CPU itself, but the thermal pad is abnormally shitty in transferring heat, so you need to have moderate air flow blowing through that heatsink (blowing in the direction of the fins and RAM, not top down). Also, ASRock's IPMI is shit, don't use it if you don't want to deal with headaches and broken interfaces.

>Don't get me wrong, that 8-core C2750 Avonton is powerful enough to handle multiple requests at once as a file server, it's just that ASRock cheaped out on some of the neater additions to their board and made it more of a disappointment to use.

Would I be better off getting a different board and using a SATA controller? I want this to be as low-power as possible.

>>58201648
>ASrock
>Not SuperMicro

>Atom
>Not Xeon-d
You could not be a fag and buy a SuperMicro Xeon-d. have 16 SAS2/SATA3 ports from a LSI chip + 4 SATA3 from the chipset, have 10GbE, and not pay out the ass for ECC UDIMMs and buy common RDIMMs instead. They sell them from 2 core to 16 core versions.

>>58201648
Just get a Supermicro board be done with it.

>>58201784
I'm sorry the 2 core version is a Pentium-D, it still supports ECC RDIMMs and 10GbE though. Only 25 watts too.

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>>58201648
>>58201784
>>58201806
Forgot link:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157475

I'll look into Supermicro, thanks.

>>58201856
https://www.supermicro.com/products/nfo/Xeon-D.cfm

scroll down to the bottom for the bare boards.

>>58201856
>http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157475
Its a 20 watt atom chip, versus 25 for the 2 core pentium-d, 35 watts for the 4 core or 45 watts for the 8 core. And you'll have an actual LSI chip instead of the shitty on boards with limited queue depths. Twice as many memory and PCIe slots, and 10GbE (which is on the CPU die). If you're dead set on a old Atom chip, SuperMicro still makes them too.

>>58201927
Thanks.

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still need to buy 4 more 6tb reds to fill up the top one

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>>58201146

No reason really.

>>58199876
>HP-StorageWorks-Modular-Smart-Array-20-MSA20
Opinion discarded...

These things are ancient and use SCSI interconnects between server / chassis. MSA 60 is better bait...

Could this case hold 11 3.5" HDDs?
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112459

There seems to be space for 10 3.5" and 1 2.5" at the bottom, but I'm wondering if it could hold a 3.5" instead.

>>58203039
If by 3.5 you mean 2.5, yes

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>>58203130
Do Mini ITX cases with space for more than 10 3.5" HDDs even exist?

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>>58203039
Probably not, hence why they specifically mentioned it only supporting ten 3.5" drives and one 2.5" drive.

>>5820315
An alternative that might be worth considering is buying an external SCSI/SAS enclosure and loading it up with 5.25" to 3.5" hot-swap bays, then using another computer with a JBOD controller to connect to it via mini-sas.

>>58203155
how do you even connect 10 drives on mitx? even matx has only 4 ports

>>58203609
Get a mobo with 6 SATA ports plus a SATA controller with six more.

Should I look into a used server for my home server needs or is that overkill? I will be using it mostly as a media server, with plans to also set it up as a nextcloud server. I am hitting the limitations of my raspi3 as far as connectivity.

>>58204185
The servers posted on this are definitely overkill beyond what a basic home server should be.

Although if you really are interested in enterprise server gear and you have the money, go for it. You'll learn a lot of cool things.

What's the best price to performance for server boards? Supermicro? Any other good things from that company?

>>58203423
>Probably not, hence why they specifically mentioned it only supporting ten 3.5" drives and one 2.5" drive.
Are there 8TB 2.5" HDDs?

>>58203423
>An alternative that might be worth considering is buying an external SCSI/SAS enclosure and loading it up with 5.25" to 3.5" hot-swap bays, then using another computer with a JBOD controller to connect to it via mini-sas.
Would this work with a RAIDZ setup?

>>58204773
Supermicro is probably one of, if not the best manufactures right now for server boards. You really can't go wrong with them.

They also make server/workstation cases, power supplies, add-on cards, network switches, and lots of other cool enterprise gear.

Can't really speak for price/performance, although Tyan is another server motherboard manufacture that has good reputation. Might be worth checking out.

>>58204852
>Are there 8TB 2.5" HDDs?
I believe there do exist 4TB 2.5" drives, however they generally run at slower 5200K RPM speeds.

>Would this work with a RAIDZ setup?
It should work just fine, there's really nothing super special about the setup. It's literally just a box with lots of 5.25" bays, a PSU, and centronics 50pin expansion ports for whatever connection type you want.

>>58204914
Thanks for the input. Was wondering what others thought about the brand. Have a dual socket Supermicro board that's been working flawlessly as well as a 2u case. While the case and stock fans aren't top of the line in terms of sound proofing it's functional. Sound proofing is kind of a luxury feature in enterprise gear anyway

>>58205028
I deal with Supermicro products on a pretty regular basis, there's really not much bad to say about them and rarely do I have issues.

Call me a shill but they really do have a slick product selection and I wouldn't hesitate to buy from them after working with their stuff.

>>58205112
>Call me a shill but they really do have a slick product selection
No, I've had no problems with all the supermicro hardware I owned as well so I guess it's safe to conclude it's a good brand.

Anything to do about loudass fans in 1U/2U servers like HP Proliants? I can't just unplug them because then the server beeps at me

Seriously these things are a god damned jet engine

>>58206234
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXwdQszP6mo

Seriously listen to this fucking shit

I had no idea it was this bad when people said rackmount servers were loud as fuck

>>58206234
>>58206247
If you want quiet you get a 4U or a tower server.

>>58201237
then they could be powered on and destroyed if somerthing happened.

>buy supermicro board
>constantly beeps on startup, no way of turning it off
>board dies after the first week

Supermicro FTW!

>>58206234
Are they a proprietary plug or are there regular fan headers?

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>>58199294
Here is my bing bang bad boy. Got free as on it ATM but having too many problems. About to install centos 7 on it and rebuild. Will be using ZFS too with 5*2TB WD redz. Xeon e3 1220 v3 and 16 jigz of memory. Will be using for Plex, device backups and some virtualization.

>>58207227
>something happened
Something happened

>>58202749
>MSA 60 is better bait...
read further down, I said I fucked up and should have linked that instead

>>58206234
1U, you're generally fucked, although I did manage to replace the fans in my Cisco ASA 5510 without it overheating albeit CPU usage never goes above 10%.

>>58206234
2u proliants are quiet as fuck

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Old - replaced the router and removed all the figures and stuff.

DHCP + DNS (pihole w/ DNSCrypt), and running a DNS obfuscator because of the stupid UK IPBill (https://github.com/superkuh/snoopers-obfuscator) - of course it won't do much but it's pretty fun knowing any databases kept will have a load of garbage in it.

Emby server, VPN, transmission, ice-cast2(spotify) and backups for configurations of applications on my public servers in the DC.

It can handle a lot more but I don't really need much more than it's currently doing.

>>58206234
Sunfire 1u servers are quiet as fuck. Especially on start, try those

>>58199294
freenas with 1GB ecc memory per TB of data with a minimum of 16GB for ufs

past that just keep rolling on the drives.

or a nice qnap and leave the hardware and OS issues to people who do it all day,

Are xserves good?
I'm talking the 09 ones that run xenon x5500 series and ddr3 of course.

I just wonder because I got to experience a G5 based xserve, and it was damn near silent

Are the 09 ones silent as well?
Do they really need proprietary drives if I run esxi?

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>>58209000
>dat Gaeon
Sexy gunpla.

>>58207573
might have figured out something was wrong and fixed it when it started beeping

or you know just be dumb

My server's pretty basic. Housed in atx mid tower 9 bay case. It along with my cable modem and switch is all kept in the basement. Most core devices are wired (2 Streaming Media devices/ 1 Desktop/ 1 Media Workstation). Rest are wireless ( 2 Laptops, 1 Tablet, 1 Phone,1 TV). Client pcs are backed up automatically by the server. The Server is backed up to a nas and to a external hdd.

Server: Windows Home Server 2011
Opteron-170 2.0 Ghz
4GB ram
1TB HDD (60GB os/871GB for client backups)
4TB (2x2TB Raid 0) - Movies/Music
6TB (2x3TB Raid 0) - Data
320GB - OS System image
Originally was going to setup a raid 5 array but nixed that cause of performance and the long rebuild times if a drive died. Plus the risk of data loss if during said rebuild time another drive kicked on me. But all in all I'm happy with it. Server's been running without major issue for several years now.

>>58210043
Why the fuck raid 0. You're retarded.

At least do a spanned volume, then if 1 drive fails, you can get half your stuff back.

>>58210043
>raid 0

nigger what are you doing

RAID0 is probably fine when you have backups. Don't really need 99.99% uptime when you're running a home server.

>>58199294
haven't read the thread yet but I'm sure it's like the others and just a bunch of anons bickering over whether or not to roll you own or just purchase a nas. here's my two cents, synology is the way to go

>>58200346
>This is what anti-apple fags actually believe.
You are the cancer ruining my /g/

>>>/out/

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Plebtier Xeon 1240v2
16gb ram
4x4tb meme WD reds
3x3tb Toshibas over sas
1x1.5tb Toshiba usb3 drive

The reds are in a raid10 and the 3x3tb drives are a spanned LVM for backups. Wish I bought all Toshibas desu, WD red are overpriced slow trash.

>>58211776
Synology might be overpriced depending on what you need. Infact, if you don't care about size or maybe having to build something then synology is most definitely the more expensive option.

I can get a HP microserver 8gen for less than £170, that's 4x 3.5" bays, usb3, dual Ethernet + dedicated iLO, takes the OS of my choice and some other neat shit.

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My Freenas Build has been pretty good so far:

8x 2tb Hitachi 2TB - http://www.microcenter.com/product/462014/Ultrastar_A7K2000_2TB_7,200_RPM_SATA_30Gb-s_35_Internal_Hard_Drive_Refurbished

2x Xeon-E5335 - http://www.ebay.com/itm/Matching-pair-of-Intel-Xeon-E5335-2-GHz-SLAEK-/122152304635?hash=item1c70d83ffb:g:fooAAOSwmfhX6Dvw

2x CPU Heatsink - http://www.ebay.com/itm/272162829812?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

ONLY BUY THE 1.1A REVISION, THE 1.1 REVISION IS CAPPED AT 8GB OF RAM
1x Supermicro X7DCL-3 Motherboard http://www.ebay.com/itm/SuperMicro-X7DCL-3-EU002-System-Server-MotherBoard-3A-/111991906638?hash=item1a133ce14e:g:oREAAOSwXpdXMNhV

6x 4GB DDR-2 ECC Memory - http://www.edgetechcorp.com/view/detail/4gb-240-pin-ddr2-pc25300-registered-ecc-ddr2667-cl5-18v-256x4-2-rank/10545084/

1x 4u Server Case - https://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-Server-Chassis-Rackmount-Metal/dp/B0091IZ1ZG?th=1

1x 450w Corsair PSU - Free, makes funny noises when you move the mouse, but no mouse so i dont care.

Took just under 600 to scavenge enough parts for a 10tb Freenas build with 24gb memory, 8 cores at 2.0 ghz and plenty of room for expansion.
The PowerEdge has been silenced so its quiet as fuck, and all my vms run off that. The esxi host running pfsense is in the other room.

>>58212088
>recommending people buy old as shit components, used disks, and the worlds shittiest chassis

>>58212155

If it works, it works. Especially those living under a budget.

>>58212088
m8 you're better off with a decent i5 fuck that 65nm shit

>>58211983
how's that hp server treating you? what do you use it for?

>>58212262
>muh budget
>i dont know what opex is

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>>58212155
>>58212270

There's absolutely nothing wrong with using refurbished enterprise hard drives like these hitatchi, they're rock solid and the absolute cheapest storage you can buy. I doubt this motherboard will expire before build a new array in 5 years. I doubt the cpu will become overloaded anytime soon, even running multiple freenas jails. The chassis is cheap for the money, has great storage capacity and fantastic airflow. Show me a better chassis that fits 15 3.5" drives.

Show me a 10tb FreeNAS Build that works better for the same amount of money.

You cant.

Keep in mind this supermicro board has 14 sata ports, and the chassis has 15 hdd bays, so i can buy another ~250 dollars worth of hdd to expand my storage to 17tb.

Show me a 17tb FreeNAS Build for under $1000 using new hardware, or any modern intel processors.

You cant.

>>58212478
>refurbished
Nothing was refurbished, they're used disks. If they were refurbished, it would mean something defective was fixed.

>Show me a better chassis that fits 15 3.5" drives.
This fits 24, has dual PSUs, comes with a motherboard, dual cpus, ram.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUPERMICRO-4U-24-BAY-846E1-R900B-X8DTE-F-2X-L5520-8GB-24x-TRAYS-ASR-5805-/172344741754?hash=item28208c0f7a:g:5rwAAOSw8gVX3HMQ

Now keep on justifying your poor buying decisions.

>>58212088
What the shit man that server makes a fuckton of noise how can you sit there.

>>58212030
I'm in the market for a nas but it's got to be normie friendly and have simple setup to be accessible from the web. it's a gift for a relative and if it doesn't have those things then they would prefer a portable drive to take with them, but those things just die so fast if you actually carry them around for more than just sneakernetting around the house

>>58212262
for most folk, a nas is also a backup solution and for backups if you care about them, then cutting corners is not the way to go. at least on the drive part

>>58212547
no, used is previous owner, refurbished is previous owner + certified working

>>58212547
that costs 300 dollars, but it doesn't come with enough ram, so you'll need to buy ram, plus its raid controller isn't that great with freenas, then you have to buy drives still.

Thats a good case but I wouldn't say better, it depends on your storage. Are you going to buy 24 2tb drives to fill it? That also has dual 900w power supplies, so how much energy is that going to use every month?


>>58212583
you can put a 2c resistor on each of the 4 cpu fans to make it quiet as fuck. update to latest bios before you do that and it just works. also make sure both psu are plugged in, psu fans are only loud as fuck if its running off one of them.

>>58211983
What OS are you running?
ESXi?

>>58202480
Have the same exact UPS.
Brofist.

>captcha europa line

>>58212683
>A Supermicro case with SAS expanders isnt better than a no name chinkshit case with fixed disks
stay btfo anon

>That also has dual 900w power supplies, so how much energy is that going to use every month?
you dont understand how power supplies work do you?

>you can put a 2c resistor on each of the 4 cpu fans to make it quiet as fuck.
so you're complaining about power consumption but recommending people lower their fan speeds with resistors?

>almost 2017
>people still putting optical drives in their servers

>>58212683
R710 is better price range and power consumption and speed

Best RAID configuration?

>>58200917
That's 210 bucks a month what do I look like Rockefeller

>>58213131
that depends on use case, there is no one raid config to rule them all

>>58213131
When RAID is required? RAID 10.

But LVM (storage spaces / ZFS) whenever possible.

>>58213290
To load video games faster.

>>58213131
For the home data-hoarder?

Mirrors. Yeah, yeah, you have a miserable 50% space efficiency. But mirrors are the way to make a ZFS array that's easily expandable. You only need two drives to drop in a new vdev, and if you want to replace drives in an existing vdev you can do so two at a time. Only needing two drives to get started is a good thing, too. Mirrors are fast. You might not care about that for using the array (though it helps if you want to transcode shit) but it has the very nice property that it speeds up scrubs. Your ten terabytes of anime will scrub overnight, instead of taking a whole weekend.

If you want to use btrfs you can have any RAID config you like as long as its a mirror, since RAID56 is still broken. Actually btrfs treats mirroring more flexibly, it means "all data exists on two separate devices", without any guarantees of which two. Which means you can pile together oddball drives and use them. (two 1TB drives and one 2TB drive will give you a btrfs RAID1 with 2TB capacity) And you get the killer feature (for amateurs) of btrfs over ZFS, you can expand the array by bolting arbitrary disks onto it (or replacing existing ones) and rebalancing, and you can remove disks and rebalance to contract an array, so long as you have enough space to do that.

None of this is necessarily good advice if your use case is something other than "I'm a nerd fucking around with my computers". If your objection is "but we use RAIDZ2 at work and I want to test how VMs perform on it.." then do your own thing.

>>58212967
currently yes, there's better alternatives than the 2950, unless you can get one for like 50 bucks loaded. I just happened to get mine for free.

>>58212612
for raidz2 or raid6 you'd have to lose 2 drives simultaneously for data loss. the chances of two drives failing before you can rebuild your array is pretty small, its when you buy used drives and DONT put them in a redundant configuration that you have a bad time.

nothing wrong with used.

>>58213537
I forgot people still pay for these. I throw them away*...

*With the exception of the single DL380 G5 I have running an environment because I'm too lazy to move it.

What's a cheap server that I can buy for 100-150€. I want to use or for samba sharing, dowloading torrents and install plex.

>>58213707
HP Microserver G7?

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>>58213381
Not the anon you're responding to, but this sounds good to me. What is the maximum recommended use capacity of a RAIDZ array? I read 80-85% can be used and it's not recommended to go over that.

>>58214384
At about that level ZFS switches from optimizing for speed to optimizing for space efficiency, and there will be a performance hit. It's less severe with mirrors but still there. In ordinary use that isn't bad (for people like us whose use case is "watching videos over a network share") but it's still bad, since you don't want to slow down scrubs. Or resilvers if you're unlucky and need to replace a drive. So yes, it is better to treat an array at 80% capacity as "it's just about full".

>>58201013
"Hampsters" server - i have worked with a similar looking unit, it had hot swap IDE drives of all things. Is that similar?

>>58200917
That there c7000, what's you use for it? I have a few with g7 blades sitting around wondering what to throw them at...
Is it one of the later modes with the 10Gbe capable backplane, i've found them quite hard to come by.

>>58215003
These are Sata, but the inner frame was cut weirdly, so it may do either with a different backplane. I have no information on the case and can't find drive sleds for it. Shit sucks but it was free.

>>58212287
It's fine and does everything I want. I use it as centralised backup for my desktop, laptop, tablet phone, multiple Plex streams to bedroom/livingroom/being abroad and a couple of VMs. Most of the time it's converting videos.

>>58212478
I never mentioned the hard drives. Whether you are willing to risk buying second hand hard disks is a whole different argument.

What Im arguing with is whether buying a ten year old multi-cpu setup is worth it considering all you're essentially doing is mass storage.

If all I did was mass storage I wouldn't have upgraded from a celeron to a Xeon.

>>58201013
Sir, why is your switch upside down?

>>58215059

I don't use it for anything special, just as lab environment for things where you need multiple servers running at the same time and to be familiar with the hardware. Makes it pretty easy from a management standpoint being able to manage everything the OA. Yes it does have 10Gbe capability, but I only have a gigabit pass-through switch on it so I would have to use LACP if I really wanted to utilize it, but I don't anything that network intensive with it.

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>>58215506
kek what an idiot, all the packets will fall right out.

>>58216343
But the frames fall up so everything cancels out.

Are workstations good candidates for a home server setup? I have the opportunity to purchase the following for $80

http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/precn/Dell_Precision_T7500_Brochure_1_en.pdf

>>58216682
Those things are fucking massive, and probably not worth that cost comparing it to what you can get on ebay for that

>>58215506
Oh right, it's that way because the fans on those nortels are on the right side. So I put it in upside down to reduce noise.

>>58216726
Really? It's only $80. What else can I get for that price?

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Well, I think tonight will be the last night for my old storage server.
It started out screwed to my wall..
and more shit got screwed next to it.
Started with 4 drives..
One died, took out the spanned volume.
Added 12 more drives but never got around to wiring up half of them..
Barely got all the data off the old array, physically hitting G the drive to make it work.
New array brought stability issues
One drive died in the raid5 immediately, never fixed it.
Went through a motherboard swap to try to fix stability
Tried different ram for same
Removed the gpu because same
Finally it would not accept writing over 100mb per reboot.
Couldn't read two files at once.
Just moving the drive heads around would cause crashes.
Took 5 days to get the data off, one file at a time.

Shutting it down for good tonight.
My other random laptop I stored some files on and used as a seed box is next. It was supposed to be replaced by the old server.

Only have a very old pic of it