/pcbg/ - PC Building General

>>58181780
>Fast RAM significantly increases framerate in more than half the current AA games. I don't have the benchmarks with me, but you can find them in eurogamer's i5 6500 review.

Can someone confirm this? From what I understood, DDR3 ram frequency did have a significant difference when comparing the stock speed to ~2400 in some games like Fallout 4. Is this also the case with DDR4, comparing 2000 to 3000? I haven't seen any bechmarks showing this.

>>58191920
depends on a game, but "significant increase" is an overstatement. you will gain from 3 to 10 more fps though.
generally if you're already getting a z170 board then you may as well pay extra few $ to cheapest 3000mhz ram.

I have a thread up right now but figure this would be a better place to ask
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gwcHpb
Thoughts on this build? Using it for uni work, programming, graphic design, and some gaming (mainly Overwatch and PlanetSide 2).

>>58192034
If you're only gonna play overwatch and planetside 2 a 1070 is a bit overkill.

>>58192034
looks fine though i'd get msi gtx 1070 gaming x instead and imo you're spending too much on a psu.

>>58192028
http://www.techspot.com/article/1171-ddr4-4000-mhz-performance/page3.html
Found some benchmarks. Seems to be a ~10 fps increase in most games comparing 2000 to 3000, just as long as your gpu is beafy enough to not be a bottleneck too often.

Hey, will this case be fine for a gtx1080, Z170, 6700k, i110gt build, or will I need a full tower?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/Computer-Cases/NZXT-S340W-Source-340-Midi-Tower-Black/B00NGMIBUU/ref=sr_1_2?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1482843012&sr=1-2&keywords=nzxt

>>58192125
you never need a full tower
it'll be fine

A lot of new games seem to be pretty CPU intensive; I can't even get a clean 60 fps for The Witcher 3 at ultra with my 1060.

Should I be looking to upgrade my i5-3450 if I want to play the latest games at a high setting?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

Very by the numbers build I feel, first time doing this myself. Just wondering if I'm missing something here or paying too much for something.

And yes, I will be editing/streaming with this which is why I opted for the i7 and 1070.

>>58192346
From what I understand, as long as your CPU isn't bottlenecking your card I don't think upgrading it will do much of anything

>>58192346
Pretty sure the bottleneck is the 1060 with Witcher 3.

>>58192373
wrong link, https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JGHG2R

>>58192193
Thanks friend.

>>58192464

>i7
>this close to ryzen

As long as you aren't buying this tomorrow I would wait just to see what sort of prices AMD asks. CES is less than a week away.

Also: never buy windows.

So I thought you might help me out, basically I'm a poorfag looking for a monitor for work and occasional gaming

>https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-VE248H-1920x1080-Back-lit-Monitor/dp/B0043T7FHK

Not buying it from amazon tho, but what do you think, should I buy a used one in good shape for 120$?

>>58192373
>>58192464
>only 212 EVO
>2133 RAM
>Corsair PSU
Don't.

What's best mobo for i5-6600k+GTX1070 build? Do I look at cheaper b150ms or z170?
Plan to use 16gig 3200 ram btw

is my 4590 enough to upgrade to a 470 4GB? 1080p

>>58192484
I may hold off on the purchase then, was planning on buying soon but I'm in no rush

>>58192512
Better cooler, got it.
2400 RAM?
What's wrong with corsair PSUs? Overpriced? Fail rate?

>>58192545
>2400 RAM?
MOAR.
>What's wrong with corsair PSUs? Overpriced? Fail rate?
Both. See OPs pic and imagine he's holding your PSU.

>>58192569
Gotcha.

I've read the OP but what would you recommend for a PSU?

>>58192545

> I'm in no rush

AQ good reason to wait given the amoun t of money yo uare aiming to spend. If AMD doesn't release a chip within your price bracket and/or it does not perform good enough you've lost nothing - you gain the knowledge that Intel was the right choice.

If AMD does release a competitive chip within said price bracket buying the 6700k might mean you losing out on a good deal for your needs (hypothetical scenario, a 6 core/12thread zen chip for similar money to the 6700k). As much as /g/ memes about always waiting we are under a week away from finding out more informatrion and less than 3 months from the absolute latest point AMD will release zen (as Su plainly stated they are on track for Q1). Given the recent french review of the A0 engineering sample holding its own against broadwell-e there is so much to gain by waiting and seeing how things play out.

If you were going for an i5 or i3 then meh - even if AMD is competitive in that segment you won't be going wrong going Intel right this second.

>>58192600
EVGA G2/3 or SeaSonic G series if the former is too expensive.

>>58192634
Ah alright, got it. Thanks, I'll keep an eye on it

>>58192646
Got it, thanks

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Barlas/saved/rzk999

Friend got me the 480 and 8350 for me for christmas. Looking to spend upwards to 550 on the remaining parts. I have a monitor and OS already to use.

I just want 1080 gaming and stable framerates, since vr is a meme

>>58192805

Get the beefiest mobo and cooler you can afford and clock that shit up.

>>58192805
Sell 8350, wait for Zen (or get i3 6100 + asrock z170 mobo)

What can I do better for the same price? (the ram is like that for upgradability later)
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DCkJBP

Anyone here have the Acer 27" Predator XB271HUA? It's available for $475.

>>58192545
>2400 RAM?
Might as well get 3000 as there is close to no price difference.

>What's wrong with corsair PSUs? Overpriced? Fail rate?
Corsair's CX series has shit capacitors and bad build quality all around. Plus, if you overclock your shit you're gonna come pretty close to 550w, and you don't want a low quality PSU to put out full load constantly, that's just asking for a house fire.

>>58192646
You don't think Corsair's RMx/RMi-series are as good?

>>58192805
what the first person said get a nice motherboard and a closed loop CPU water cooler

>>58192945
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8Bt7M8

i5-6400 with that can easily OC to 4.5Ghz, I have the same mobo/cpu/cooler combo.

>>58193120
>water cooling
I don't trust that stuff. What would be a nice motherboard?

I also don't want to buy a new cpu. I don't understand the amd hate.

>>58193163
its not a k model though how does it overclock?

>>58192535
only z170s supports 2133mhz+ and overclocking (since you have k version of cpu) so i dunno take a guess
>>58192543
yes
>>58193120
>water cooling meme
nice one retard
>>58193212
there's no amd hate. their current cpus simply suck dick.

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>>58193212

Depending on how far you want to push your chip and your budget most 990fx boards are good for some high clocks. That said the sabertooth (lol paying the premium on the crosshair) and the M5A99FX PRO sit at the top of the food chain.

As for a cooler skip the AIO and get a good dual tower cooler (again, budget is going to be the limiting factor but the silver arrow is great price vs performance).


>. I don't understand the amd hate.

/g/ knows fuck all about AMD cpus and just regurgitates memes.

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>>58193215
Using older bios.

Asrock was the first to allow OC'ing of locked skylake, other motherboard vendors followed suit.

All you have to do is get bios version 1.4 or 1.5 and downgrade to that and it will allow you to BCLK overclock it.

Pics related.

>>58192945
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DB6Dnn
- no reason for z170 board with locked chip,
- stock cooler is fine,
- hybrid drives are a meme absolutely not worth your time. either pick hdd only or add some money for 240gb ssd

>>58193163
>3gb 1060
just no.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FVd9nn
(This is what I've bought so far, I'll probably add 8gb of RAM later on)

I have around 300 euros to buy a GPU, should I go for a 1060 6gb or a 480 8gb ?

>>58193358
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVM0Nb5crMM
Literally no difference for 33% more price.

Literal definition of retard

>>58193392
Despite what fanboys on either side might tell you, they're both fine. The 1060 is a bit better in some games, the 480 on others. If you want to save money, you could also just get the 4GB version of 480. There isn't much reason not to, unless you're thinking of maybe getting a second one later.

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https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/jPWtkT

2nd time building a gaming pc, ausfailian with a disposable income

budget build
pls critique

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Wtx62R

>>58193445

>phenom

Why?

>>58193392
If you plan on overclocking that CPU, you need the Z170 asrock mobo. I believe B150/Hyper version also allows OC but with price parity so close, its better to go Z170 imo.

>>58193455
Check'd

And Phenom II processors are generally not too bad. The reviews for the specific one in my list got decent reviews, but most of them said the gaming performance isn't that great (which I don't mind)

>>58193474

Yeah but even for a cheapo build piledriver is much better.

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>>58193358
>>3gb 1060
>just no.
implying

>>58193491
Alright, thanks for the heads up. I will look into other options.

>>58193524

Without knowing your upper limit budget wise i'd go for something like a 6300, msi 970 board, single tower cooler, gpu of choice, any old 8gb ram and whatever else you can to feed that lot (don't get a shanghai street special psu though).

>>58193399
>3gb vram in 2017
it will shit itself a year from now

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>>58193562
maybe on 4k, but I doubt you have a 4k monitor if you are buying a 1060

>>58193524
If you're actually planning on buying CPU, go for used intel xeons, they go for cheap.

E5-2660 goes for 45 UK bucks. 8c/16t xeon. 2.2 -> 3Ghz (turbo)

>>58193562
99% chance it wont because games industry overnight wont just switch to 6GB required games for 1080p resolution.

>>58193421
which version of either one is worth dumping my money on?

>>58193695
Whatever's cheapest.

Anything more than the cheapest counterpart will produce maybe 5% extra benefit in increased OC. However you'd be paying extra 30-50% more money.

>>58193719
the average price is literally the same between the two, it's literally red vs green and I don't have any preference between the two

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>budget of maybe $600CAD
>really want to upgrade pc in most noticeable way

considering
>~500gb SSD
>3tb HDD
>Fractal Define R4/5
>i7 3770k (or 4790k+mobo, but that's unlikely)
>gtx1070
>2133MHz ram
>144hz 1440p monitor, or 4k monitor

I feel like I should just sell my pc now and start from scratch. what do you think I could get for it if I sold it?

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>>58193906
What do you need to upgrade for?

>>58193068
Mediocore PSU, shit value, there are far better options on the market.

>>58193906
You have no reason to upgrade tbqh, atleast for another generation.

>>58194002
>>58194028
>two of my friends got 1070s, one of the same friends got a 1440p 144hz monitor, and another friend got a 6700k
>meanwhile I'm stuck with a 6 year old pc where the newest part is a 3 year old gpu
I guess I'll just hold out. maybe when kaby lake and zen come out, prices for skylake will drop a bit and I can grab a 6700k. I definitely need more storage either way. i can't buy new games because my 180gb and 1tb are full. now, do i get a 3tb hdd for $99 or a 500gb ssd for $140?

>>58194250
I really have no idea what you'd do with 3TB of space. SSD's are always nice.
1070 is actually a reasonable upgrade for you as well

I want something to upgrade from my 8320 but nothing really seems worth the money. Any ideas?

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>>58194291
any intel CPU

>>58194282
I have 6 TB HDD and 4TB are filled.

>>58194250
Get 3TB HDD for games/archive/storage.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822149633

So I have a new i5-6600k, and I also use it for integrated graphics. On idle, just desktop, the percentages are good with 0%-12%

However, when loading up a game the CPU starts to use absurd amounts for the game, 70%-90% just for 100% orange juice. However Windows 8.1 (not activated) still runs smooth, and when opening another game at the same time it will share CPU usage while with the other game, and lower itself still maintaining stable frame rates. Programs like Opera, or steam, and even Skype have nice CPU percentages of usage, usually under 10%. All of the CPU cores are doing equal work and have similar temperatures, so no outlier.

What would be causing this issue?

>>58194540
You use igpu, it uses the CPU.

If you don't use igpu, the computer uses your descreete gpu.

This is a simple answer isn't it?

>>58194540
>What would be causing this issue?
what's the issue exactly? igpu's are weak compared to dedicated so it makes sense games would stress it

>>58194540

Intel's integrated graphics are so potato its staggering. Should've gone AMD if you want a system without a dedicated gpu.

Posted this in the /sqt/ but I wanted some more opinions. Is this card a good deal? I wasn't 100% sold on it because its refurbished. Also does the blower fan make much of a difference?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIABRD5666489#close

>>58194540
>gaming on the iGPU
The only games you'll play that thing is some indie shit or ancient games.

>>58194764

Its a shit cooler.

>>58194764
Its got 90 day warranty, if it dies after that, you get fucked. I wouldn't do it.

>>58194019
>Mediocore PSU
What are you basing that statement on?

>>58194764
looks good if you want a fucking heater

Looking to upgrade my prebuilt PC, make it for gaming. Have a budget of around $575. Buying everything from Amazon with Amazon Prime, so the base cost is what matters. How does this look?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Bkdbyf
What I'm replacing:
>i3-2100 (3.1GHz, dual-core)
>4GB DDR3 RAM (2x2 GB) 2666 MHz frequency (dual-channeled 1333MHz)
>Generic AVC cooler
>Integrated graphics
>Generic 300W PSU
What I'm keeping:
>Stock H61 MicroATX mobo
>1TB HDD
>MicroATX case
>Stock Wi-Fi card

What's a good Motherboard for an i5 6600K processor that won't break the bank? The Microcenter near me is giving a decent discount if you buy that processor with a compatible motherboard and I was just gifted an old full tower case I feel I need to do something with. Haven't had an actual desktop computer since I was little so I've kinda been out of the loop on this stuff.

Is there any reason to format storage drives as anything other than NTFS if I want to dualboot windows and linux?

>>58195394
A "k" processor should be paired with any mobo using the Z170 chipset and other features you need like
-enough rear usb ports
-enough sata ports for your drives/optical
-enough expansion ports (most people only want a graphics card)
-enough ram slots, some people want more than two
-onboard audio like spdif if thats what you're into

so just use Z170 as a starting point, many of these are not expensive. there's no point spending more if you don't need 5 PCI ports, etc. another cheaper option is to get the i5 6500, don't overclock, and pair it with an H170 motherboard instead

How important is a good motherboard and how much should I pay for one?
What motherboards do you recommend? I've read the bus is the biggest bottleneck so I though getting a good MB would be a priority.

>>58195628
It just comes down to what features you want. More expensive ones have more features. Also don't fall for the gaming motherboard meme.

>>58195698
What sort of features does a mb have?

>>58195443

If the drives aren't going to see lots of reads or writes then meh, NTFS is good enough.

Building a PC for programming, Overwatch (I don't care if its meme-tier my friends play it), probably some other gayms later on, and music making shit like FL Studio.

Planning on an i5-6500 and an RX 480. Would that be overkill for my purposes?

>>58195771
you could definitely settle for an i3 if you're hard up, but I wouldn't bother with any lesser video card.

>>58195771
Yes, a 480 would be overkill. I would recommend a 470. Also, if you are going to do programming and stuff like that, I would recommend an i7, probably the i7-6700 (no K). Also, for stuff like that you need 16 GB of RAM.

>>58195034
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story6&reid=369
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story6&reid=363
Both SeaSonic G and EVGA G series perform better and are cheaper. I see no point in getting a Corsair PSU unless you are a brand whore gaymur cancer.

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>>58195736
Aside from chipset/socket type, form factor and what memory it supports, things like

>Number of ports(usb, sata, pci, audio)
>Number of fan connectors
>Supports Sli/Crossfire
>Raid
>BIOS options

Those are the main things to worry about. Most others you can ignore, see pic.

>>58195318
bumping this

>>58195863
Thanks.
What's the difference between ATX and mATX? Other than the size are there any differences? Performance issues/compatibility issues with tower cases?

>>58195318
>spend $300 on old CPU thats not even unlocked
Dumb.

Cooling system is dumb. Its poor as fuck, hyper 212 is much better and cheaper. See the tube
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wauOEboeao&t=194

>limiting yourself to one merchant
Literally goy'ing yourself. Jesus christ.

>>58195852
You linked to reviews of the old regular RM models.

This is the RM750x:
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story6&reid=452

This is the G2 750:
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story6&reid=380

Both are around the same price, both are given the exact same score.

>>58195935
Just size really. Standard ATX is 12 × 9.6 in, verses mATX at 9.6 x 9.6 in. Keep in mind in order to be smaller some things have to be removed. Unless you plan on doing water cooling or have multiple gpu's a mid size case + mATX is perfectly fine and will save you some money.

>>58195318
Get the regular 3770, and buy it used. If you're spending that much on a CPU, may as well get a new mobo and a modern i7. Don't bother with a new PSU unless you're getting a better gfx card
Need SSD

>>58195995
>>58196083
Fine then, how does this list look?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7FmCCy
Still only buying from Amazon because I have Prime free 2-day shipping, plus Amazon has a good return policy.

What's the best budget i7. I wanna upgrade cpus.

>>58196061
http://pcpartpicker.com/products/power-supply/#m=11,14,71&W=550,850&sort=a9&p=1&e=5,4&X=0,39043
Over the board EVGA G and SeaSonic G are better than Corsair, they are cheaper and don't use non-japanese capacitors, especially not Ltec ones.
If you take a look at the 550/650 W versions, which are more than enough for the average Intel CPU + single GPU user, it's clearly not in favour of Corsair.

>>58196170
what socket type

>>58196167
I'd get an Asrock Z170 mobo if you get that CPU. Mainly because you can OC it. Other vendors started locking down hard after intel issued microcode update. The specific mobo that you seleced seems to even remove the ability to downgrade to lower bios revision.

As for Asrock Z170, you want a bios revision before the "removed skylake oc function" updates.

>>58196216

I'm looking to get a mobo and all. I just need an i5 or an i7 that won't bottleneck a 1070 too bad when I upgrade. My 8320 is getting too old.

>>58196276
Wait till Zen. Its right around the corner, and should be a match for i7 and probably cheaper too.

>>58196276
Well good luck finding an i7 below $300.

Should I get a 6100 and a z170 board to upgrade CPU later or keep the mobo and CPU? Could I even get by with a 6100 and the mobo in the list? I already have the hard drive and video card.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MK4pD8

Will the motherboard/CPU come with thermal paste and/or will it already be applied?
If not, what one should I get? Any?

>>58196170
>>58196276
I would say the i7-6700 (non-K), you can still overclock it a little with an ASRock Z170 motherboard, plus it's around $30 cheaper than the 6700K.
>>58196243
So something like this then?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/svNzpb

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Alright guys, last week I built a '99 machine with

Asus P5GD1-VM
Pentium 671
512mb ram (fresh)
6600gt
a new Thermaltake 350W psu

so plugged everything together and turned on, it works but doesn't display anything. Tried changing almost every part from gpu to ram and bought a new psu but sucks it, it just turns on normally and keeps going on like that. The monitor goes to sleep mode immediately. Even jumpers seem to be in order.

It doesn't have mobo speaker curently and I'm having hard time diagnosing it. Any ideas?

I have this Fracal Note 605 case.
I want to put some nice parts into it. I'm looking at

ASUS GeForce GTX 1060 6GB DUAL OC
ASUS H110-PLUS
Intel Core i5 6500 3.2 GHz 6MB
2x Kingston HyperX 4GB (1x4GB) DDR4 2133MHz CL14 Fury Black
Kingston UV400 240GB
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO

You guys see any problemos?
The case allows GPUs up to 280mm, and the GTX 1060 is 255mm. If I remove some storage in the case it should be aight.

Any notes on the CPU etc?
Will the cooling get fucked in such a case?

>>58196472
Very common mistake is plugging into mobo instead of video card. I've RMA'd a board because of that mistake

>>58196392
>http://www.asrock.com/MB/Intel/Z170M%20Pro4S/index.asp?cat=Download&os=BIOS

This is the bios update site, so if you intend to overclock, you might (or might not) need to downgrade to the 2.4 version.

>>58196472
Forgot to say, mobo standalone with just ram doesn't give any display either from onboard output. Same. Also resetted bios and replaced the battery.

>>58196534
Tried both. What does RMA stand for?

Anyone build a good mITX computer?
Any recomendations to moderboard and case?

>>58196209
>they don't use non-japanese capacitors, especially not Ltec ones

Neither does the RM750x? Where I'm buying the PSU's, the price of Corsair's 650w and 750w is the same, and the G2 is also priced the same. Seasonic G is more expensive. So tell me why I should still pick the G2.

>>58196564
cool, thanks

hows this, looking to build my first pc
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/m4jnXH

>>58196619
>Neither does the RM750x?
Older versions do and those are still being sold.

>Where I'm buying the PSU's, the price of Corsair's 650w and 750w is the same, and the G2 is also priced the same. Seasonic G is more expensive.
And where is that? Because according to PCP this is not true.

>>58196741
It's shit, do more research and lurk more. Don't expect anyone here to spoon-feed you when you put ZERO effort into it.

>>58196741
Get a Z170 motherboard instead of the current one so you can overclock your CPU. Also, you don't need mini ITX form factor, something bigger also works.

>>58196741
Either replace the water cooler with something cheaper or get a z170 motherboard, so you can overclock.

Spend like 10 more bucks on 3000+mhz ram.

Replace the 1070 with a non-evga card.

>>58196741
Get a larger psu

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>>58196762
But we're not talking about older versions, we're talking about the RM750x. Or are you saying versions of RM750x?

>And where is that?
https://www.inet.se/filter/595?sortColumn=Price&sortAscending=true&properties=%7B%2294%22:%7B%22min%22:%22650%22%7D,%22211%22:%7B%22value%22:%221%22%7D%7D

>>58196789
>10 bucks more
More like 5 bucks LESS for 3000 mhz

>>58196784
>>58196788
>>58196789
>>58196795
thanks for the feedback anons, will look into it

Is there any way to get wi dows 10 forfree now that upgrade is gone?or at least some placewhere its cheap.....

>>58196487
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qLYdM8

I've started smelling a burning smell from my computer again last night when I was playing with Furmark and giving my GPU a mild OC (~10%). Once about 5 months ago my computer crashed while playing Crysis and I smelled a burning smell - I disassembled it but couldn't find the source. Now I'm having a similar smell but it isn't crashing, and I still can't isolate it.

I think it's my PSU - a Rosewill Hive 550 that's just out of its 3-year warranty. Should I buy a new one, and what should I buy that will last me the next few years without breaking the bank? I'm running an i5-4670k with an R9 280x on an Asrock Z80-something.

>>58196836
>But we're not talking about older versions
The standard RM line.

>And where is that?
Sweden.. yeah, no wonder. No idea what inet.se is, but it doesn't seem like a price comparison tool, so i wouldn't count on that, always use price comparison tools.
I did a quick search with the first best swedish price comparison tool i could find, this are the results:
http://www.pricerunner.se/cl/640/Naetaggregat?man_id=11613&attr_59740235=59740236&attr_59740238=59740241&sort=3&viewType=standard#man_id=11613%2C178960%2C12529&loadGuide=1&s_58084610=500_750

>>58196942

If you suspect its the PSU you shut it down right fucking now and toss the unit - never, EVER gamble when it comes to power supplies given their tendency to take other parts with them.

>>58196942
>Rosewill Hive 550
>I'm running an i5-4670k with an R9 280x on an Asrock Z80-something.
Smells like you're overloading your PSU.

>>58196368
Nearly every cooler you get will come with paste.

>>58196993
So I should get a PSU with a higher wattage? Is 650W fine?

I was considering the Corsair CX series but I hear they're shit. Which EVGA or Seasonic should I get?

>>58196276
Get a 6600k

>>58196961
The results seem to show that the 650 evga g2 is about the same price as the rm650x, as is rm750x the same compared to the 750 g2. So again with the price being the same, what makes the g2 better than the rmx?

>>58196362
That's an H170, not a Z170. If you can go for a 6600k and a Z170

>>58197085
>Is 650W fine?
Theoretically 500W should be fine, too. I have no idea what you're doing with your PC and it might be some other component.
Have you tried cleaning everything including the PSU? They can collect much shit over three years.

>Corsair CX series
Fuck no. The only models from Corsair that aren't trash are the expensive high-end models and the Veangence, but that's only an option in EU because of it's price.

>Which EVGA or Seasonic should I get?
EVGA G2 or G3, SeaSonic G (whatever) or others like Super Flower Leadex.

Are the Athlons memes?

>>58197266

Super Flowerr's units generally aren't available in burgerland iirc, but they are rebranded...possibly by seasonic (I'm not 100% certain but its something jonnyguru has mentioned a few times).

>>58196570
RMA is return to manufacturer, it's when you yell at Jewegg for your money back and ship the broken thing back to them

Are there any compatibility issues with GPUs and the CPU/Motherboard? Or will pretty much any GPU work?
Want to go for a CPU-heavy build with an adequate GPU.

>>58197151
650W G2 is cheaper than the RMx, for 750W it's the other way round. Why would you buy the G2? Because Super Flower platforms never caught fire and are extremely reliable.
No idea if the 50 bucks is much in New Somalia, but imho the G2 is superiour and it you want the 650W version it's also cheaper.
I'd only chose the 550W RMx over the G2 since its 122 bucks cheaper, but since i don't have your price problems where i live, i won't. I can get a EVGA G3 550W for 99€.

>>58197356

For a single gpu on a consumer tier board (i.e not a server form factor) shit just plugs in. Its only when you enter multiple gpu setups do you potentially run into issues.

>>58197356
Any modern GPU will work with any modern motherboard.

Keep in mind if you're using less than PCIe x16 you might suffer lower performance.

>>58197356
They'll all work.

>>58197266
>Have you tried cleaning everything including the PSU? They can collect much shit over three years.

I try to clean out my desktop a couple times a year but it's a losing battle since my parent's house is old and dusty as fuck. But I never thought about cleaning INSIDE the PSU - I assumed that the stored charge in the capacitors would kill me.

It's also possible that it's the GPU - most of the crashes come from when I'm playing with overclocking and it gets really hot with games. Now, at normal clock it runs fine, but I do get some instability when I overclock and it gets hot, plus I've got some weird sounds coming from the computer.

Of course, most of these issues have come up only in the last 6 months or so, and I've worked mostly without crashes until my summer playthough of Crysis and D44M. How do I check if it's my graphics card instead?

>>58197300
It's almost 2017, you really don't want to get a dual-core that doesn't even have hyperthreading. And they do offer fair performance for the price. Still, if your budget is that low, you might as well get an APU and not worry about dGPU until you have more money. Or alternatively, you're not gaming in which case an APU is still better because you don't need to get a discrete GPU at all that way.

>>58197311
>Super Flowerr's units generally aren't available in burgerland
Lol why, because it's not US made, is some trade agreement blocking it? Also no idea if SeaSonic rebrands Super Flower PSUs, but EVGA certainly does.

>>58197409
This really sound like you fucked up something for good, or at least you're close to do so.

>>58197300
I've heard good things about the x4 860. It's an overclockable quad core, and really cheap. I'm doing a build with one in a few days here.

>>58197311
>seasonic
>rebranding other manufacturers
I'm pretty damn sure they don't do that when they could be selling their own units instead. Selling your competitor's units doesn't really make any sense.

>>58197372
>Because Super Flower platforms never caught fire
So the super flower platforms never caught fire and the platform which RMx is built on did?

Do you have any proof of this?

>>58197417
Probably an exclusivity deal with someone rebranding them

>>58197417

Its probably not worth the effort to market under their own name.

>>58197445

Then it must be EVGA - I get the two confused on the psu front.

>>58197445
>Implying it doesn't make sense
Sometimes it does, if you can buy them cheaper than you can build them. If SeaSonic wants to focus on high end, well built supplies it could make a lot of sense to outsource cheaper models

>>58191872
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9yHFm8

Any improvements for this mommy build?

>>58193358
Hybrids help with games

>>58197480
In that case, it doesn't really make sense to dilute the brand name with cheaper units, does it?

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>>58197438
Fucking shit.

Any idea what I fucked up, and how to replace a part without fucking up the whole thing?

>>58197531
That case comes with a Mobo

And it has USB C so I was thinking that allowed future proof so she can plug in an external HDD later

>>58197495
They won't help as much as a small ssd and a regular drive. I fell for the meme and hardly notice a difference, besides what I think is slightly faster boot times

>>58197547
I know, I just thought it was an ASRock mobo (which tends to be shit), so it should be replaced to avoid those problems. Didn't realize it was an Intel stock mobo.

>>58197453
Never heard, read or saw any article about Super Flower based PSUs catching fire or exploding. On the contrary there's a shitload of complains about burned Corsair PSUs online, no idea if the RMx series ist affected. The RM, CX/S/V series certainly are.

>>58197456
>>58197463
The more you know..

>>58197522
>Any idea what I fucked up
Could be that you didn't fuck up anything at all. If everythin runs fine under load while not OC'd, it should be still good.
If it doesn't it's most likely the part/s you OC'd and/or the PSU.

>>58197496
Depends entirely on SeaSonic's marketing philosophy. I don't work there. I assure you they would have done some focus groups to see if it was worth it.

>>58192346
My 1070 can barely hold 60fps at 1440p, and that's with hairworks off (turn it off of you haven't, you gain 10-15fps and imo the humans look better without it)
6600k stock clocked btw

How important is the motherboard chipset? How much does it affect bus speed and/or anything else?

>>58197489
She'd probably be happier with a 1TB HDD than a smaller SSD. If you have a spare HDD and just want that as a boot drive disregard this.

>>58197594
So the Mobo in the set should be fine?

I liked how it would support the full wattage processors like i3. If this is all shit though there is the option of going for the Silverstone mini STX

>>58197673
Focus groups are insanely dumb

>>58197677
Oh fuck I needed a 1080 then to run my 1440p 144hz monitor coming??

>>58197701
SSD is boot. How about just stick a laptop HDD in the extra slot of the ASRock case.

Im starting planning on a Ryzen build.
The only thing I really cant decide on is case.

Budget: unlimited
But I just want a cheap simple case, my wants are:
>Pretty dustproof, dustfilters for all intake.
>Preferably as little gamer shit as possible, no colors, no grills, not loads of fans, no ricer window. I can compromize as long as its dustproof though.

>>58197691
It isn't unless you need a specific features like overclocking (Z170 series) or a certain number of PCIE lanes / SATA ports / etc, and also Intel's lowest end chipset currently only supports one RAM slot (iirc)

For a Pentium or i3 with a single SSD, a 1TB HD, a single 8GB stick of RAM and a mid range graphics card, even the shitiest chipset is fine

>>58197489
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Zg74Ps

$50 left, if you put extra $50 more, you could probably get 960 or 1050 or so.

>>58197731
Corsair Carbide

>>58197738
Thanks.
Also, what the fuck is the difference between Memory Technology and Computer Memory Type? Technology on the MB I'm looking it is DDR4, but the Memory Type is DDR3?

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>>58196850
>they didn't catch the sale
>tfw everybody running around like headless chicken trying to find cheap ram
>tfw $67 3000mhz 16GiB

>>58197719
Yeah, the mobo is fine for your purpose.

>>58197784
I got that ram too, Geil was it?

>>58197731
>Pretty dustproof, dustfilters for all intake.
>Preferably as little gamer shit as possible, no colors, no grills, not loads of fans, no ricer window.
You just described the Fractal Define series. Pick the case according to what size you need.

>>58197417
Haven't you heard? 30% taxes on chinkshit soon due to overlord Trump

>>58197808
>30% taxes on chinkshit
Please elaborate, i'm from Germany and here you pay 19% taxes + X% customs depending on category for non-EU imports over 26€.

>>58197719
On witcher with max settings you might, I think I got about 90fps when I used 1080p
Most new games I can easily get 90+fps at 1440p with a 1070, 60fps minimum at 1440p, but that being said its not hard at all to switch settings to "high" or play older games and get 120-144fps constantly on 1440p with a 1070

>>58197798
Nah G skills RIPJAWWWWS
The red kind

>>58197832
Trump is putting in a 5% border tarrif plus 30% for any US company that ships manufacturing to another country

Is a CPU independent of the MB Chipset? I.E. any CPU will work with any Chipset?

>>58197832
President Dolan J Trump said he would do that as well as big wall
As expected, he didn't elaborate or explain it at all, just said to "bring manufacturing back to America" which I thought was the biggest reason why China/Taiwan is a shithole in the first place

>>58197767
thanks, which ones

>>58197802
thanks, looking at them but do you know which ones have dust filters and no giant dust inlet on top??

>>58197849
The red ones are the fastest

>>58197871
As long as the socket is correct, yes.

>>58197880
I know, it wouldn't XMP at first so I almost took off the heatspreaders.
Luckily I didn't do that, I just needed a bios update
Who knows how slow that ram would've been if I did take off the heatspreaders

>>58197871
No. Chipset determines which CPU it supports.

Read the chipset information to see if it supports your CPU.

>>58197906
Not op, but isn't that the socket, not the chipset?

>>58197670
Might as well grab a new PSU then since this one's out of warranty.

Don't like spending money like this as a student, but I did choose an expensive hobby

>>58197906
B150M Chipset with an i5 6400.
Not sure what else to look for. The CPU page on intel doesn't mention anything on Chipset compatibility, just socket.

how do you know what form factor hdd/ssd to get for a motherboard?

>>58197923
Socket is the hardware level. Chipset is mainly the software layer. Intel is a jewish company so they prohibit things like Xeons running on cheaper H motherboard or even Z motherboards in some cases.

>>58197934
Your motherboard specs will say which CPU it supports. But yea, it supports i5-6400.

>>58197945
ssds are always 2.5" or m.2, just get 2.5" ones, m.2 are faster but more expensive.

For hdds always get 3.5", 2.5" is expensive and slow.

>>58197923
It's the chipset, but usually all CPUs using the same socket are compatible with all chipsets that have that socket. For instance, I'm pretty sure new Xeon e3s are still pin-compatible with other LGA1151 CPUs, but not supported on consumer-grade chipsets.

>>58197977
on pcpartpicker there are like 1.8" and 3.5". didn't know if a microATX MB needed a specific size. thanks.

does anyone else think it would be much better to have back usb3 ports on the case (for the MB headers) and usb2 at the front?

>>58197977
It's not M2 that's faster itself, but the NVMe protocol that M2 *can* use that's faster
There's a lot of SATA M2 drives, don't fall for them

How can you tell how many HDDs a motherboard supports? Or do they all support more than at 1 at least?

>>58198030
oh, true, thanks

>>58198027
New mobos phase out USB2. USB 2 devices are backward compatible with USB3 ports.

>>58198065
Just look at how many sata ports it has

>>58198084
It says SATA 6GB and SATA express.
Does that mean two? And does it matter which one is hooked to an HDD/SSD?

>>58198069
Not really, thats the problem. Motherboards still usually have 2 usb3 and 4 usb2.
Unless I pay 50 bucks extra just to have 2 more usb3, then the mb still has at least 2 usb2.

>>58198098
I know SATA express is backwards compatible with regular SATA, but you'd need someone who knows more than me to really explain the differences. Something to do with supporting pci and NVMe I think. But in any case it will work for regular HDD/SSD.

>>58198159
My mobile is all usb3 a z170

>>58197854
>Trump is putting in a 5% border tarrif plus 30% for any US company that ships manufacturing to another country
Border tarrif for import only, right? I'm 100% sure there will be a loophole for outsourcing companies, like you produce only part X in US and the rest outside.

>>58197879
All cases of the Define series have dust filters on all intakes. The top either closed or open but without a dust filter since it's meant as a silent case with closed top and side.

What are the recommended SSDs?
Samsung seems like the most prominent but what is the general consensus?

>Intel Core i5 4670K
>Gelid Tranquillo CPU Cooler
>Gigabyte H87-HD3
>HyperX Genesis 8 GB
>KFA2 GEFORCE GTX 760 EX OC 2GB GDDR5
>SuperFlower Golden Green HX 650W "80 Plus Gold" Power Supply
>Samsung 840 EVO 250GB SSD
>1TB WD Black

>Zalman Z11 Plus PC Case
>LG IPS234V 23-inch LED Wide Screen Monitor
>CM MasterKeys Pro S Keyboard
>G403 Mouse
>Swift RX Medium Mousepad
>AKG K612 Pro Headphones
>Alesis Elevate 5 Speakers
>Zalman Microphone
>FiiO E10K Headphone Amplifier and DAC

Getting 1070 G1 Gaming. Anything else I should look to upgrade? (other than my monitor to 2560 x 1080 144Hz since I don't want to buy a new monitor right now)

Or is 1070 enough to future proof me in games & VR?

Eventually I'd like to upgrade my Mobo+CPU+RAM but that's a long way down 2-3years or something.

Will a 6700k/1080 GPU enough for 1440p 60fps for games for the next 4-5 years or so?

What about 2880x1620 or 3200x1800? Are there even monitors at those resolutions?

>>58198191
I've also always head Samsung is generally the best.

>>58198225
Get a Z87 or Z97 mobo to overclock your CPU with. You might also want to get more storage.

>>58198225
Go for 16 gigs of ram and you should be set. I doubt you'll be able to fill out that monitor for that long, but it should definitely stay playable until you can upgrade your cpu.

>>58198225
Buy a headphone amp

>>58198229
Is there much of a difference between 750 and 850?
I don't really need a big one, it'll just be used for programs and stuff that needs speed. Storage will be done with a bulky HDD.

>>58198191
Samsung 850 PRO is the best 2.5" SSD on the market, but also has a premium price tag that's usually not worth for the average customer, the 850 EVO is very good and comes with a fair price.
More budget friendly options are the SanDisk Ultra II, PNY CS1311, Samsung 750 EVO and others. Recommendations might depend on your region.

>>58198263
Was thinking of doing so but was hoping 8GB is fine until I upgrade everything else since there's DDR4 now.

>>58198273
I have one? FiiO E10k, listed

>>58198252
Want to keep mobo upgrade for later as everything else will need to be upgraded with it. Right now I have 1TB main storage, 250gb SSD and 500gb for torrents, I think it's enough imo.

can someone give my pc a look, make sure i'm not doing anything wrong?

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/

>>58198303
you might wanna take a look at that link anon.

>>58198263
>>58198225
Also I'm willing to take monitor suggestions if you guys are kind enough. Maybe I'll get 1070 + Monitor and upgrade the rest in 2-3 years

>>58198283
Nice, thanks.

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>>58198283
>best SSD on the market
>premium price
>was the same price as Adata and Sandisk SSD for like a month
They're a standard SSD and Samsung tends to focus on speed of what they call high end, there's plenty that are "better" as in more reliable but at normal speeds (which is still pretty fucking fast, just not as fast as the 3 SSDs Samsung makes that's faster than the rest of the market)
This is my pick for "best SSD"

>>58198225
get 16gb ram asap.

Also, your cpu is going to be pretty bad once ryzen and intels next gen drops.

What do you think of this you /g/ays

https://nz.pcpartpicker.com/list/m6GJBP

I'm going to use it for gaming obviously, on a 1440p high refresh rate monitor (haven't chosen the exact monitor yet). Regarding the CPU, I was going to get the 6600k but thought I'd step it up on the chance that future games would utilise this one better. Am I a fucking retard in thinking that or am I playing smart.

Any other criticisms or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Will any of the parts come with a screwdriver?

>>58198420
What's up with those prices???

Id say get a 500gb ssd for ~$120-130 instead.

>>58198420
Looks good to me but you could save a lot of money getting a 6600k
I got a 6600k and 1070 for my 1440p/highHz monitor and haven't found an issue yet (except that all Microsoft exclusives use over 90% cpu, but from what I read that's normal because they're shit coded)

>>58198420
With a budget like that and targeting high framerates, the i7 is not a bad choice. I'd recommend getting 3000 MHz RAM, since it should be about the same price. The rest of it looks pretty good to me.

>>58198431
Probably no. But you really should have a basic cross one.

>>58198420
>I was going to get the 6600k but thought I'd step it up on the chance that future games would utilise this one better
If you want higher than i5 perfromance I'd say with for zzen.

How do you know what size tower to get?

>>58198502
get ATX unless you live in tiny japanese box, or are more concerned about fashion than practicality.

>>58198492
>zen
>higher than 15 performance
you're joking right?

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>>58198492
>higher than i5 performance
>for gay men
>a 16 core blender monstrosity, essentially a Xeon, rivaling a core series in thread vs thread applications

>>58198492
>>58198554
fuck i meant i5

also what's up with the fucking cancerous captchas on this site jesus christ

>>58198544
I've got a Micro ATX motherboard.
Will Mid Tower fit that?
What are the main differences between towers?

>>58198369
Samsungs SSDs are both, extremely fast and extremely reliable. Intels SSDs may be more reliable, but they are so much more expensive and make no sense for the private sector.

>>58198456
These prices are NZD. Honestly I originally wasn't going to get an SSD because apparently I'm a patient person and such luxuries sounded superfluous. But then two people convinced me otherwise. So I thought I'd get a 250gb for just the OS and software.

>>58198460
>Haven't found an issue yet
That's what I worry about. I think a 6600k is just dandy but I would kick myself if around the corner, games start utilising things that the i7 6700k has over that. I thought it was a small price to pay for potential future proofing (this case being the only sensible application of "future proofing" imo, but hey glad to be convinced otherwise)

>>58198492
>>58198555
>>58198554
You all may laugh, but despite what this build might say about me, I have no fucking clue what a Zen is. An expected CPU to come, right? I've built pc's before and once upon a time I knew some things. I've been so terribly out of the loop for so long I'm basically a fresh fuck; however you three seem to have conflicting opinions about this Zen anyway.

>>58198581
It should, it'll say what it fits in the case specs. It's a size difference. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_form_factor

>>58198554
If you're just a gaymur i5 is fine.

>>58198555
>a 16 core blender monstrosity, essentially a Xeon
Sounds like you dont know much about it.

>rivaling a core series in thread vs thread applications
Then get a i5 like I said. The only big difference between the i7 and the i5 is Hyperthreading.

>>58198605
Just find some Zen videos on Youtube, there are a ton of them.

>>58198605
Many games are using DX12, which more efficiently uses hyperthreading
As much as I'd rather save hundreds of dollars getting a 6600k, I will admit that if I had to bet on it I would say the 6700ks hyperthreading will become better as new games come out
Zen is AMDs next gen of CPUs. And as normal, amd is focusing on multicore, multithreading and less about single-thread IPC, which *as of now* IPC is more important for games
DX12 will hopefully change that

>>58198645
I know enough to extrapolate witty hyperboles about AMDs direction in general
Isn't that what /g/ is about

>>58198678
>And as normal, amd is focusing on multicore, multithreading and less about single-thread IPC
That's debatable. Unless AMD's implementation of SMT blows Intel out of the water, the benchmarks we've seen so far suggest that Zen's single-thread IPC will be very close to Skylake's.

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Thoughts?
Prices in aussie dollarydoos

Is it worth buying Windows 10 or is there an easy way to pirate it?

>>58198678
Does that mean until games start making use of this, a Zen would actually preform poorly considering all things? I'm all for thinking ahead, but games are only starting to head in that direction. To get a Zen right now (or when it comes out I mean) would be a poor example of future proofing, I imagine?

>>58198735
>the benchmarks we've seen so far
I thought that said broadwell IPC, and then haswell IPC a few weeks later?
Just like they changed their "rival CPU" from 6950x to 6900K? Which it still can't actually beat?

>>58198605
>I have no fucking clue what a Zen is
New amd cpu. Basically intel has had no competition since the phenom, making for only very small improvements each generation in the mid range, and AMD ryzen is looking like it can change this.

>>58198678
>And as normal, amd is focusing on multicore, multithreading and less about single-thread IPC
Not at all, they are still just making octacores but they have improved IPC massively.

>>58198735
this.

>>58198766
Win 10 is free dumb dumb

>>58198769
> a Zen would actually preform poorly considering all things
No, not at all. Performance clock for clock isnt far off in the demos.

>>58198766
get w7. but if you must: https://www.cnet.com/news/microsoft-windows-10-free-upgrade-offer-assistive-features/

>>58198798
Where

>>58198769
See >>58198735
We don't really have any single-threaded benchmarks of Zen yet(or any trustworthy independent benchmarks, for that matter), but the ones we do have suggest that on a per-core basis, a Zen-core with SMT is about as good as a Broadwell-core with SMT. What this PROBABLY means is that their single-core performance is nearly identical as well, and Broadwell and Skylake have pretty much identical IPC as well.

>>58198769
Yes. That's what is expected.
Intel is a safe choice for quad core gaymen CPUs with powerhouse cores though if you don't need raw multithreaded power for $600+
Zen will hopefully be competing against xeons and Intels high end, high core count "extreme" CPUs, but nobody actually expects zen to rival core CPUs in single thread performance
And even then, DX12 tops out at 6 cores, I'm sure a quad core with hyperthreading would just as fine as an 8 core for games

>>58198771

Broadwell and skylake are within margin of error of each other in a lot of software - its only when that huge slab of L4 comes into play does broadwell gain the upper hand which is somewhat offset by skylake's higher clocks.

Then again the 5775c competed against 6700k but I forget if baby broadwell still has the L4.

>>58198817
We have one single threaded benchmark of zen, it loses to a 6500
Multicore it's great though

>>58198771
>I thought that said broadwell IPC, and then haswell IPC a few weeks later?
>implying there's a difference

>Just like they changed their "rival CPU" from 6950x to 6900K? Which it still can't actually beat?
They're comparing their octocore against Intel's.

>>58198742
Don't bother with a z170 board if you aren't getting a k series cpu. Or go for a 6600k and keep the board. And if you can, go for a 1070 instead of a 480.

>>58198838
>We have one single threaded benchmark of zen, it loses to a 6500
[citation needed]

>>58198838

It loses almost exactly by the percentage difference in clocks.

>>58198849
>Zen is as good as Ivy Bridge!
>Ivy bridge = skylake because lol Intel never improves!
>Zen = Skylake so amd wins!

>>58198862
It's been posted nonstop for days

>>58198742
Don't bother with 3000 RAM and Z170 if you won't OC, maybe get a different case, Define C should be cheaper.

>>58198852
Z170 can oc locked skylake

This was news a year ago

>>58198820
> That's what is expected.
If you dont know much, maybe.

>nobody actually expects zen to rival core CPUs in single thread performance
Yet it's been doing it so far. No one expects it to beat intel, but it's been competing in all demos.

>I'm sure a quad core with hyperthreading would just as fine as an 8 core for games
Hyperthreading only gives you ~30% and double the cores gives you up to 100%.

>>58198803
>get w7. but if you must: https://www.cnet.com/news/microsoft-windows-10-free-upgrade-offer-assistive-features/
get w7. but if you must: https://www.cnet.com/news/microsoft-windows-10-free-upgrade-offer-assistive-features/
I won't have any version of Windows, I'm building a new PC.

>>58198896
So you're not taking clock into consideration.

>>58198912

>Hyperthreading only gives you ~30%

Only because Intel sucks dick. IBM's SMT can give much higher gains than that.

>>58198912
I mean it just barely beats an i3 6100, I guess that means it's skylake-tier power right?
Also you have no idea what multithreading even is do you?

>>58198933
not sure if retarded or trolling, but I'll go with trolling for now.

>>58198928
Because AMDs latest 5Ghz 9590 is so much better than a 4Ghz i7 from two or three generations ago?

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>>58198952
No please, go buy Zen for yourself, right when it comes out, support competition and all that right?

>>58198929
To be fair, that's because IBM uses fuckhuge cores designed to run 8 or 16 threads at once. So that's a pretty different situation compared to a core design that's designed to scale from 2 cores without SMT enabled to 32 cores with 2-way SMT.

What kind of PSU should I get?
Does it matter if it's modular or not?
Does its form matter? I.E. if you have a Micro ATX motherboard will you have to get a corresponding PSU?

>>58198957
It's not, which is why you can't compare a 3.2ghz zen to a 4ghz+ intel and say amd has worse single core.

Original >>58198420 poster here.

It seems the mere mention of Zen has thrown this thread into a fury, how ironic.

I will stick to the 6700k because I believe the Zen is too much too soon. If it turns out to rival how top-end cpus run things out now, and then goes on to future proof even harder with its shitload of cores and threads and what have you...

... Well then that's just fine

>>58199034
We're looking at benchmarks you idiot, clock speed doesn't scale performance, that's the point

>>58199070
So you seriously think there will only be 3.2ghz zen cpus out?

>>58198909
I thought they patched that out?

>>58199027
Well-regarded 80+ gold (like Evga G2 series or anything manufactured by seasonic) if you can afford it, 80+ bronze otherwise(but check some reviews first).
Modular matters for cable management(which is more important if you get a small case), but it's not really a huge deal, for the most part.
Check your case specs, pretty much all of them are designed to fit a standard ATX-form-factor PSU.

>>58199054
But again, feel free to criticise my build further https://nz.pcpartpicker.com/list/m6GJBP

Today is the day I'm heading out to buy the majority of the parts, and I'll be here on /g/ for another couple hours.

>>58199078

I would wager there will be no 3.2ghz zen chips until you hit apus. Su herself said at new horizons base clocks will be 3.4ghz and up - if an 8c/16t monster runs at 3.4ghz in a 95w envelope you can bse sure as fuck lower core count chips will be higher.

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Looking to build a high end gaming pc with 4k capability.

how am I doing

This is the first part

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>>58199143
second part

Really don't know what I am doing. Can the motherboard be cheaper? Is their anything that is unnecessarily expensive?

>>58199107
go with the 6600k for gaming.

>>58199143
pretty overkill on the ram, missing an ssd.
>>58199157
There are cheaper motherboards, namely ASRock boards.

How important is having a dedicated CPU Cooler? Is it a requirement?

>>58199143
Also if you're spending that kind of money you should probably get a better cooler. Maybe an aio liquid setup

>>58199170
I've decided on the 6700k, I appreciate the criticism though and do see why a 6600k is perfectly fine. Thanks anon

>>58199143
good job not falling for the ssd meme

>>58199204
you can use the stock one if you dont mine the souund and arent going to OC loads.

>want to buy MSI 470 because of those supreme thermals and noise measurements
>hear MSI customer service is absolute dog shit

Should I just get a Sapphire card? Not as good as the MSI but at least they're a reputable brand.

>>58199204
Yes, you definitely need one. If you don't get one stock the Hyper 212 Evo is cheap and effective.

>>58199211
dont do this, you wont even notice the difference

>>58199099
It's called downgrading bios

Last computer I made was 6 years ago so chances are this build is rubbish so please help me. Budget is around AU $2000 but is flexible. I play a lot of CPU intensive games and the 6700k is only $100 more than the 6600k so its not really an issue although I know its overkill. Its all the other parts and whether everything is going to work efficiently together I have no clue about.

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/p3CwD8

>>58199204
Intel's overclockable SKUs don't ship with a stock-cooler, so for those it's a requirement. Otherwise, not really.

so just bought a new budget mainboard ( asus 970gaming, 100€ ) and i fucked up the foam from the I/O shield. doi need the foam ?

>>58199078
I don't think that clocking it up will significantly improve performance any more than overclocking an Intel cpu wpuld

>>58199238
>>58199211
Case I have comes with 2 fans? Will that suffice?

>>58199194
I noticed I'm missing a ssd. Will 1 Tb from 2 Tb impact overall performance?

>>58199204
Of course it's a requirement, a CPU will overheat in like 30 seconds without a heatsink
It's just that Intel non-K CPUs come with one already

>>58199258
So if I'm not going to overclock it I don't need one?

>>58199226
212 is deprecated. There are cheaper and superior comes these days such as the bequiet pure rock and cryorig h7

>>58199315
But NINETEEN DOLLARS AND NINETY NINE CENTS

>>58199315
Clones*

>>58199314
You'll need a cooler of some sort. Most CPUs just come with one already.

>>58199295
Of course not, but what im saying is there will be 4ghz+ zens, and since the 3ghz is pretty close to a 3ghz intel, it will be the same at 4ghz.

>>58199303
>2 fans
yeah, any more has really diminishing returns.

>>58199311
I meant could I just use the stock one instead of a dedicated one?
i5 6400

>>58199303
Two fans should be plenty. So do you need all that ram for something? 16-32 is the norm.

It won't impact performance, you'll just have less space.

>>58199357
Yes, just use the stock one.

>>58199357
Again, stock is fine, just a bit noisy. For a low end build like this is fine.

Also consider getting a i3 instead.

>i3-7100
>8GB of 2133
>RX 470

Do I need anything more for a TF2/Dota 2/Civilization machine?

>>58199290
can noone tell me ? i need to know if i have to buy a new one

>>58199346
Just like the 5GHz AMD is worse than the 4GHz i-series?
GHz doesn't mean anything anymore, going above 5GHz today or ever is just fucking unreasonable, that won't change. IPC can change, core count can change, but what a reasonable frequency is, does have an absolute limit

>>58199402
I've never used a board with foam around the io shield. I would guess no.

>>58199407
>GHz doesn't mean anything anymore
Of course it does, otherwise we'd just be talking about IPS instead of IPC. It just isn't going up.

>>58199388
Why an i3?

>>58199429
Significantly cheaper, better single-core performance and not much worse in multicore.

what about the 4k 60hz monitor? Is it a good choice? how impactful is the hertz and is it better to buy a lower resolution monitor with more hertz?

Also, I have not bought an operating system. I've seen PC players scoff at the concept of this. Will my pc come with a default one?

>>58199394
No, sounds great for that.

>>58199407
>Just like the 5GHz AMD is worse than the 4GHz i-series?
no.
>GHz doesn't mean anything anymore
Means as much as it ever did.
>but what a reasonable frequency is, does have an absolute limit
Yes. its not going up.

>>58199394
tf2's optimization is a meme and it'll run like shit without fps configs anyway. you should be fine for civ on very high settings.

>>58199447
"Better single core" is debatable but yeah I'd agree they're pretty evenly matched core vs core

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>>58199450
Frequency can keep going up as long as die sizes keep going down
And you know, if cooling allows it (gud luk amd)

>>58199477
6400 turbos to 3.2 GHz. 6100 has 3.7 GHz base clock. The i3 is faster in single-core, hands down.

>>58199506
So an 8GHz celeron is better than anything Intel has to offer?

>>58199448
If you have at least a 1070 go for it. The hz rating is how many times the screen refreshes a second, so above 60fps ad you won't gain anything. Though at 4k a single card won't go much above 60 in most modern games.I would prefer a 1440p monitor at 120hz, if I had the card to hit those fps.
>OS
It won't come with one. You can find them cheap online, or pirate one. Or use Linux.

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3wg3WX

Any obvious mistakes? Should I wait a month for new CPUs to come out?

buy or pirate windows?

>>58199545
You might want 16gb or ram, but besides that I don't see any issues.

>>58199545
go with 1x8gb, cooler is optional, the case is ugly as fuck imo

>>58199557
Download it for free from the Microsoft website using "create installation media"
Don't activate it ever

>>58199545
Intel stock cooler works fine.
I have a 6100/470 setup and it's all good without it.
Bit expensive case.
Bet you the Fractal Design Mini-C would work out better in your favor.

Good deal on the PSU too, more expandability etc.

>>58199557
>pirate
That's illegal, anon

>>58199568
What do you lose by not activating it? What changes?

>>58199529
Assuming it uses the same Skylake core design? It's better at anything that uses two cores at most. You could see that with G3258 and that's why it was, for a short while, really good gaming CPU for the price before games stopped being completely dependent on a single thread for most of their CPU load.

>>58199557
Buy it.
Kinguin Win 10/7 keys for less than 40 bucks.

OEM keys, but cheap as fuck.


>>58199594
Can't change background, etc. some other shit.

>>58199594
It pops a window when you start up, and you lose your background.

>>58199448
Depends.
Are you a "pro/competitive" fps gamer? Take a look at a 144hz irl. I cant really see the difference.

Do you want clearer text and images and fitting more on your screen? I see pixels pretty well so a 1080p screen above 22" looks straight up bad to me.

I know a 4k 60hz would be right for me anyways.

>>58199477
>>58199529
The i3 is a full ghz faster. plus with the hyperthreading its almost as fast as the i5 in multi core. What is it that you dont understand?

>>58199557
never buy, pirate if 7 or get free if 10.

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>>58199537
so you are saying I need to get another card? How do I know my pc is compatible?

Also I change my ram from 64gb to 32 gb will that make a performance difference for gaming speed/general computer speed? Sorry I just don't know the fine line between spending lots of money for performance or unnecessary additions that only a professional video editor would need.

I am looking to get into streaming, if that makes an impact on the ram..

>>58199609
Why is it so cheap?
What's the catch?
>>58199624
How do you get it free? I thought it ended.

>>58199570
>>58199567

Case might b cool for lan parties, but realistically that won't happen. Building twins for me and a friend though, hes a sperg and would shit himself over that case

The main thing I am worried about is getting coil whine again. My current 8350/7770 sometimes screams just from moving the mouse in windows

>>58199641
The catch is, IIRC, that most of these windows copies are akin to the homeless overseas getting sandwiches for free, then selling them to us over here.

Either way, there IS an insurance fee of 5 bucks, so it totals out to the 30.00 or so most of the time.

Worst that can happen is that the copy isn't registered and you have to get another key somewhere else.

>>58199594
There's an unobtrusive watermark in the bottom right of your screen and you can't change the taskbar color
You can obviously change your background, but not your taskbar color

>>58199632
Oh I wasn't sure who you were. Your card will do 4k as well as a single card can at the moment. You're really unlikely to use 64 gb of ram ever. Stick with 32 and save the money

>>58199545
>Should I wait a month for new CPUs to come out?
Maybe, but with a low end build you're not risking too much, you can replace that mb and cpu later.

>>58199632
you're gonna need something like 1070 to game at 4k comfortably, but 4k is great for other things.

64gb ram is overkill for just about anything, 32gb is pretty overkill too, but fine.

> streaming
That's too demanding in 4k, and you want a good CPU for it anyways. That said, very few streamer make it.

>>58199641
>I thought it ended.
that's what they want you to think. see how to do it above

>>58199609
>>58199616
>he doesn't have an actual copy of his background saved somewhere
It relocates the background image when you update, if you deleted the image it'll revert to default color background

>>58199662
coil whine is usually psu's or gpu's fault. just google "[part name] coil whine" and see if it comes up frequently or read reviews on amazon or somewhere. though you should be fine with asus 480 and seasonic psu