/hpg/ - Headphone General

>not owning Beats by Dre
Just admit it, you're not as financially well off as you'd like to be.

I listen to 128 kbps youtube rips with my unequalized HD 800s paired (that word really turns me on) with a Bottlehead Crack tube amp and it sounds good to me and that's all that matters because sound is subjective.

>>58049701
cheaper than my cheapest headset

>>58049725

Yeah man, no need to be obsessed with memes like lossless and HD audio

I'm looking at the DT770s and the Fostex T50RP Mk3s

Currently using MDR-V6s, so I don't need another flat headphone. Mobo audio, but plan to get a DAC/amp down the road.

>>58049776
>headset

>>58049908

You'll need the amp, why no open headphones?

>>58050074
Still live with people. Also I usually listen to my music quieter, and don't like hearing neighbours make any noise.
My budget is only $150, and I feel like if I get an open back, it'll be a higher end nice pair.

But I'll take any recs and info

>>58049908
The T20RP's are bassier than the T50's if that's what you're looking for.

>>58049908
770 are good
t50 aren't
that's about it

should i shell out 100 $ for m40x with hm5 pads or is there a better option for 100?

>>58049908
MKIII's are only better it if youre going to modify them. Otherwise 770's by far.

>>58050331
For closed neutral-ish, no.

>>58050271
Not really looking for bass, just something that does bass extremely well.

>>58050295
Any other "good" cans?

>>58050331
>>58050359
Wait, that came out wrong.
I meant no there isnt a better option.

>>58050365
Budget?

>>58050403
$150 max

>>58050337
I'm worried about the DT770s having too much niggerbass, I do want clarity .
People keep saying "these are better than m50s", but the fact that 770s are even compared to m50s makes me think they are not good.

>>58050466
Check out Fidelio L2's

>>58050466
>I'm worried about the DT770s having too much niggerbass, I do want clarity.
They have a lot of clarity in the low end and highs, but their mids are just too recessed to really give full detail.

>People keep saying "these are better than m50s", but the fact that 770s are even compared to m50s makes me think they are not good.
People compare them to the M50x because they have a similar response, but actually produce a fucking listenable sound. M50x do get bashed a bit more than they deserve here. They're okay field monitors, though I'd take MDR's over them any day for that purpose. DT 770's measure better in other regards too, along with being a fuck ton more comfortable.

I wouldn't quite classify them as niggerbass, as the low end is very accurate, whereas most people would say niggerbass is raw amount, which usually leads to just straight mud. They have fucking brilliant sub-bass too.


T50RP's on the other hand, have excellent drivers with raw quality out the ass, but they're tuned like complete shit. They have very rolled off low end, resulting in it lacking a lot of depth. If you actually go and spend time and modify them, you end up with a fucking excellent headphone for the price of a lot shittier one, along with being able to tune them exactly to your preferred singature. You can milk even more out of them if you get a pair of cheap mics and build a measurement rig, if only so you can measure distortion and balance.

Take a look at what ZMF did with them. You might want to look into pre-modded T50's too. Talos or Modhouse Argons are fairly popular.

>>58050466
if you don't want bass, consider 7506
if you're afraid of treble as well, consider m40x

>>58050606
He already has V6's.

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>literally in distress
HD599 with soundcard or dac/amp for gaming and music?

>>58050761

Sound card is enough

>Budget
Around $200-250
>Location
USA
>Source
Galaxy S7 or Fiio E18 Kunlun
>Type of headphone
Wireless Over-ear, noise isolating or cancelling preferred
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Comfortable enough to wear for 1-2 hours at a time
>Sound signature
Mostly neutral or a little bit of bass
>Past headphones
HD 598

I'd like something I can wear while walking around without a wire danging around

>>58050796
how do i get that """"7.1 surround"""" meme going with these? software?

>>58050999
Software or soundcard drivers.

>>58050761
K612 is better

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Where can i get wooden cups for my T50rp MKIII like these?

>>58051232
How do you like the t50s?
Modded or unmodded?

>>58051863
they are decent but they have a lot of potential

>58049118

The dumbest is the stair-step bullshit people use to shit on digital conversion.

With Moffat, the funniest thing is how there is a leap in logic from:
>closed-form filter coefficients
>superior sound because it is not an approximation

Very cynical and misinformed. The point is that sampling theory means even non-closed form filters work for providing transparent sound.

And then there is the claimed correlation to improved imaging even though it doesn't change spatial perception.

HRTFs and all that stuff are actually really easy concepts to grasp, but it is shocking how ignorant so many are to it - to them, sound is arcane and perception beyond all explanation.

>58046385

Many enthusiasts wank around with multiple mid-priced headphones plus a DAC and amp. The total expense of quite a few enthusiasts would actually approach a Realizer setup.

Remember the Schiit Yggdrasil costs 2300 already and that's considered affordable for its 'performance'.

>>58052037
So I'm assuming lazily unloaded.

How do they sound at low volumes? Any complaints of sharp treble or recessed bass?

>>58052272
Bass is rolled off that is true

>>58052144
>>closed-form filter coefficients
>>superior sound because it is not an approximation
well, there's also the problem that any physical realization is imperfect.

>>58052287
What dac/amp?

>>58052451
Sony UDA-1

>>58052619
Hmmm still wondering if it's worth getting babbys first planars

>>58052675
if you have the amp for them and might mod them then sure

Should I really buy the Takstar Pro 80/ Cloud? I'm literally in front of the item but I'm still indecisive.

>>58052689
Don't have the amp,
Was gonna buy the amp down the road

Any other recs in that price range?

>>58052709
HE 400s, a planar that can actually be easily driven

>>58052832
Too bad they're $100 more.
Could probably find a DAC/amp to power the t50s for the difference.

>>58051232
Those are ZMF cups. Dunno if they sell them separately.

fulla 2 or objective 2
no dac
k7xx's
I just learned of both of these
and now that I have money I'm
not sure which to buy and suggestions?

>>58052898
I'm confused on what you're asking. Can you restructure your post so its actually English, please?

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:3c
My Christmas present got here

>>58052898
fulla 2

>>58052924
what a fuck up

>>58052873
the t50rps need shure pads, they are like $200

>>58052944
:3c

>>58052979
HM5 Hybrids work on them just as well, which are under $30

>>58053032
Maybe but they are nowhere near as good as shure pads

O2 is the only amp you'll ever need.

Why are audiophiles triggered by this?

>>58053079
I prefer them to the Shures in terms of sound. The Shures are more comfy, but not by much. I'd take the slight sound improvement over the slight comfort improvement.

Though If you're going for a more airy sound I can see the Shures working better.

>>58053088
Autism. DIY O2 is god.

Headphone noob here. Could anybody tell me the difference between the sennheiser hd 598 and hd 599? Thanks in advance.

>>58053185
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Bought these and burned them in, highly satisfied.

>>58053315
>burned them in
What's the difference?

>>58053348
>The main purpose of the burn in process is to loosen the diaphragm of a newly crafted headphone and to stress the headphone driver.

https://www.jlabaudio.com/pages/audio-burn-in

>>58053390
nice meme, did you get your headphones fresh from the conveyor belt pre-QC?

>>58053315
So you heard no difference at all? You just linked us a text from a website...

>>58053468
Maybe it's the placebo effect but the bass seemed a bit punchier while still sounding precise and not murdering the mids and highs. I can't see why people say the headphone lacks allot of bass unless you're comparing it to beats bass.

>>58053514
It's called your ears adjusting, not burn-in

>>58053570
i think he meant he burnt in the drivers my guy.

>>58053595
I mean there's no burn-in at all my man

>>58053620
you think so? it makes sense to me for a driver to sound better after some use and some current through them but i really dont have the science to back that up.

>>58053109
How would you rank the T50 with the DT770?

>>58053695
do you only buy headphones from manufacturers who would never test products before sending them out?

>>58053708
i meant some substantial current, not just a beep to check if theyre doa.

>>58053728
Thats not what their qc is my dude
Unless youre buying supercux maybe

>>58053743
i dont think they pink noise it in a humid room inside a sound absorbant farraday cage for 72 hrs tho

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so my X2s went to shit after less than a month of getting them. i dont get sound in both ears unless i angle the cord a certain way, so i think theyre rip. i was super gentle with them but it happened anyway

anyway, dont really want to take a risk and get another pair.

i got an E10K with them and it works really well, but id like suggestions on a replacement pair of cans.

$250-$300 range preferrably, with good bass like the X2s, and at least decent build quality so i dont have to exchange a 2nd time. i live in the US, and i dont rly care about much else.

thx

>>58053772
where does this 72 hrs figure come from

you know nothing about electrical engineering or transducers in general, what makes you qualified to even claim any benefit from your fabled burn-in?

>>58053853
Are you that dumb to grab a soldering iron and fix them urself?

>>58053853
>X2s
Just get a replacement cable, the removal cable is there for a reason.

>>58053869
i really am not interested in wasting any more time on these. sure i could solder and whatever, but since manufacturing for the X2s was relocated, a lot of people have reported bullshit going on with them. im not interested in spending time fixing problems they may have down the road, just wanna replace them and move on.

>>58053863
lol chill out, i feel like im hearing what the headphone was truly meant to sound like when its burned it thas jus me. might be a placebo

>>58053901
go to head-fi

>>58053878
its not the cable. tested it with 4 different cables on 3 different devices and its the same story across the board

>Budget
<100$

>Location
USA

>Source
phone, pc

>Type of headphone
?
>Open or closed
open

>Comfort level
the more comfortable the better

>Sound signature
?

>Past headphones
None

Looks are also important.

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>Budget
"around 50 bucks"
>Location
Europe
>Source
no idea, probably some phone jack
>Type of headphone
"earbuds", but I doubt he minds IEMs
>Past headphones
JBLs

friend's into tame metal etc. Not sure what to recommend

>>58053982
philips shp9500

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$1500 = Nirvana. Step One: Buy an Oppo HA-1. Step 2: Buy a pair of BD DT770s, wire them for Balanced Operation. Step 3 = ???

>>58050993
Can anyone help me with this one?

>>58054223
>wire them for Balanced Operation
why? to get double the output impedance? you can just stick a resistor in there

>>58054223
So close to pulling the trigger on 770s

>>58053707
T50 are worse stock
Modded they can easily surpass the 770's.

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>>58054298
Audio-Technia ATH-MSR7

Beyond Crazy resolution that can be driven with a cellphone....

>>58053982
558's, or 9500's if you cant find the 558's for cheap enough.

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>>58054304
>>58054320
Nigga Pls. My Whole System is Balanced, the whole way thru. Phono Cartridge, too, but that doesn't compare to SACD. Balanced gets you an automatic extra +6 dB from whatever source, including it's Output to a pair of headphones from an HA-1. No Common Ground between L or R. Good Stuff!

>>58052898
Fulla is a dac/amp
O2 is just an amp

>>58054438
i don't know what i'm talking about the post

>>58054353
Just looked up the Mayflower mod on the T50s, and it's piss easy, doesn't even involve soldering. My mother does crafting shit, she probably already has all the materials.

The only problem is I don't have an amp/DAC yet. Would a new motherboard at 90% volume power them for the time being?

>>58050993

Bose QC35

>>58054438
People who post this picture seem to always have extreme autism, its just one of those things I seem to see on here.
No one but crazy people post this.

Like when those T-shirts were popular with a squirrel that said "These are my nuts" / "I'm nuts", only slightly insane people wore them.

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>>58054449
All Of You: First, buy a truly Hi-Res source, with Hi-Res Medium - I'll pay you back if it doesn't sound Way Better! Think SACD, BluRay Audio, DVD-A, Tidal. Then, buy a system with enough playback resolution, rougly 120dB Dynamic Range. Well Then. Oppo HA1. Sure, the Chord is out there too...

>>58054363
>>58054493
Thanks for the recs, guys

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>>58054530
Well, Thx. I try not to be ordinary

>>58054543
stop posting

What a a good DAC for under 250? I use X2s so power isn't really a concern. I just need a mic and 3.5 in. I like house and classic rock and some vidya like csgo sometimes

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>>58054597

>>58054612
the one on your motherboard

>>58054624
So it's not worth it with X2s?

>>58054223
https://benchmarkmedia.com/blogs/application_notes/audio-myth-balanced-headphone-outputs-are-better

>>58054635
the headphones are irrelevant, they will always be the biggest bottleneck in your system no matter what they are

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>>58054641
Oh, STFU. Does Your Precious Gear use XLR connectors or TRRS jacks? Then U R STILL <115 Db s/n Ratio... Think Balanced, what the studios use...

>>58054701
ha-1 does not have 115dB S/N ratio

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>>58054729
BullShit - Just depends on source

>Budget: around 300

>Location:los angeles

>Source: Fiio x3 gen 2

>Type of headphone: full sized

>Open or closed: closed

>Comfort level: As long as it isnt painful

>Sound signature: doesnt matter, as long as the bass isnt lower than normal.

>>58054742
source isn't the reason why the ha-1 sucks

>>58054701
what is that pic?

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>>58054757
>>58054761
The Virol you eschew leads me to believe that you've never even heard an HA-1. Well then, what are YOU jamming so much?

>>58054801
this is why autistic people shouldn't be allowed to use the internet

>>58054753

NAD - VISO HP50

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>>58054543
>Oppo HA1
Lol nice chink shit fag, true aryans buy glorious nippon amplifiers

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>>58054822
Oh, but You won't post Your Most Awesome Setup? WTF are U listening To?

>>58054486
Probably not. T50RP's are really damn inneficient. Get a Schiit Fulla 2. Best sub $100 DAC/Amp you can get atm.

>>58054871
Damn that means I need to pay like $300 to get the full potential of these, maybe I'll get a cheaper set of cans then.

Still might be worth having slightly underpowered headphones for a few months

>>58054999
Eh, I'd say its worth it. You can get a DIY O2 Amp for $50 USD, or even a DIY Classic 47 from aliexpress/ebay for $10 USD and get nearly the same volume.

As long as you have a soldering iron and some time you can easily power MKIII's.

You might as well deal with quiet headphones for a while instead of just settling for less.

>>58055036
Honestly I listen to my V6s at 6% system volume most of the time, and I've had them for 5 years.

>>58053983
boarseman cx98s are really nice for the 25-30 range if you don't mind buying directly from China.

What is a quality 3.5mm jack to buy?

I just fixed my headphones with some shitty jack I bought at Fry's and it sucks. It hardly "snaps" into position and the connection cuts out easily. I don't want to buy one because it's more expensive and have it suck too

>>58055489
waiting 30 days may be too much, but thank you

I search HM5 in these threads and get more results for pad swaps than the headphones themselves. Whats the deal on them?

>>58055687
The headphones or the pads?

Lookin to cop a lower OHM Beyerdynamic to save money, better open can, 880 or 990?

>>58055774
The headphones.

>>58055801
The impedance generally doesn't change the price by much. 250 ohms are pretty cheap. If you already have an amp, go for them. Hell, I can drive my 250 Ohm 770's off my phone. The 250/600 ohm ones are only slightly better though. 80 ohm ones are still great.

880 are closer to neutral [though still with some 'sparkle' in the highs]
Whereas the 990's are VERY V-shaped. They're great if you want that, but most people don't.


>>58055816
They're a fantastic neutral-ish closed can for the price. I'd take M40x + HM5 pads though purely because build quality is slightly better.

>>58055878
cool thanks for the info m8

>Budget
$50-$60
>Location
US
>Source
Cowon plenue D
>Type of headphone
IEM
>Comfort level
comfy

looking for something durable especially

>>58055878
How do you like the 770s?
Really want a headphone that blocks the world out, and has a good low end.
Also, is there a noticeable increase in quality from an amp/dac?

>>58056095
>How do you like the 770s?
Love them.

>Really want a headphone that blocks the world out, and has a good low end.
Could work. Stock pads aren't exactly the /most/ isolating, but for just a loud aircon and maybe public transport it'd work. I wouldn't use them for walking around a noisy city. I put ZMF Lambskin pads on mine though, so they're probably a fair bit more isolating.

>Also, is there a noticeable increase in quality from an amp/dac?
As much as any other headphone in terms of DAC. They don't get loud enough without an amp on my PC, though they run fine off my music player and phone.

You may want to look into the Custom One Pros. They isolate a lot more more [though aren't quite as comfy], and have the same fantastic low end extension as 770's. Highs aren't as bright. You may prefer that. I don't really care either way. They're a fuck ton easier to drive too. So that paired with the better isolation may be better for noisier portable environments.

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Best headphones available on microcenter.com
Received a 200 dollar gift card willing to pay the rest if worth.

>>58056200
only decent headphones on there are the hd600

>>58056200
http://www.microcenter.com/product/450338/ATH-M50X_Professional_Monitor_Headphones_-_Black

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>>58056219
>hd600
Thanks for the advice but i would prefer closed back.
>>58056231
Those look good.
But ive heard mx50s are bad or is that jsut a meme
also Is it possible to get a mic on these?

>>58056231
>>58056255
m50x are absolute garbage

>>58056200
You could try trading the cards on one of those subreddits if you want more options. Though I think you need to have a high reddit post count or whatever, so that may be an issue.

They have HD 600's, but they are $200 USD more than your card. If you're willing to pay more, that's a worthwhile option, though the headphones are only $260 on Amazon, so you could probably sell the gift card for more and have some left over.

Otherwise you have MSR7 for $250, or M40x for $100.
MSR7 are quite good, and would be worth the $50 over.
They have M50x, but both above options are better IMO.
M40x/M50x need new pads to be comfortable. MSR7 don't.

>>58056231
M40x are better.

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Alright no other place where this is really relevant.

I'm looking into getting a DAC/DAP combo.

I'm looking at the Shanling M2 as the most likely candidate.

Requirements:
USB DAC
Large SD card capability.
Build Quality
Around 200-300 dollars.

I'd really like if I could dock it but I think I'll just get a Generic Micro USB dock if I get the Shanling.

Any suggestions?

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>>58056282
ok cool i might get the MSR7
or the audio technicas
My friend did tell me he would sell me hes pair of mx50s for 70
ill see what he can do for the msr7
sense hes a headphone reseller
>>58056275
why so

>>58056356
M50x need modification to be good.

>>58056369
if i can get it for 70 bucs do you think there worth and if so what modifications can i make

>>58056356
>why so
uncomfortable, sound like shit, worse than the cheaper m40x

>>58056388
as i said above are they worth it for 70

>>58056385
For 70 bucks, the M40x are only 30 more from that site you have the giftcard for, and dont require modification to be good. They're even cheaper on amazon.

You'd need new pads and some sort of filter over the driver to tame the highs, and even then they'd not be as clean as M40x.

>>58056397
being $70 does not make them any more comfortable or sound any better

>>58056401
>>58056405
ok cool is there any other differences between the mox50s and 40s.
Also can i get a mic on them

>>58056156
Nice, I'll consider them, it's either these or another pair, just have to make up my mind

>>58056425
M40x are closer to neutral, M50x are V-shape and unpleasantly aggressive sounding.
Other than that, theyre nearly identical in terms of build. The silver ring is smaller on the M40x. I think that's it.

>Also can i get a mic on them
You can buy cables with inline microphones for them, or you can buy a ModMic, and put one of them on the side.

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>>58056446
Ok last question thanks for alll the help
are the MSR7 worth it?

>>58056465
Yes. They're a lot comfier without modification than M40x/M50x, and have better sound quality.
They're also built really well.

>>58056476
Thanks for all the help.
Ill make a post when i pic them up

>>58054836

>made in Malaysia
>implying country of origin matters and not engineering and QA/QC

>>58056493
No worries. Hope you enjoy them.

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I'm absofuckinglutely loving my x2's so far anons

I am very happy!

>>58054223
hisss

>>58050331
Status audio cb-1s

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I really need something portable with good bass for under 150, anyone try the brainwavz hm9s? I tried the beyer custom streets but they are fucking uncomfortable. Any other suggestions? Thanks.

>>58053853
maybe the v moda m100?

>>58056843
Maybe Sennheiser Urbanite if you want open back
Or M50X if you want closed back

>>58056843
Have you thought about iems?

>>58056948
B-but everyone says the m50x are terrible. What do you think of them? Also I think urbanites are closed back. I'm also looking for something over ear which u forgot to mention.
>>58056988
Yeah I have some rock zircons which I love , just been interested in getting some over ears for a bit but I don't know where to start.

I just bought some Soundmagic e10's. Is the bass supposed to be really boomy and muddy? Is it only because I'm used to my 200 dollar cans and this is what the "better" class of iem's are like? I knew they'd be bass-y but its not as good as I had though

>>58057014
You're right, idk why I thought they're open. The M50x is just considered bad because it has a shitty soundstage and I guess the bass is muddy? I've never used them, I only suggested them because your options are somewhat limited. Urbanite XL's might be viable for you no?

>>58057058
If I save up for them maybe yeah, but I feel like at that price I may find better options elsewhere. Thanks though.

>>58057081
but the black ones are just 120 bucks on Amazon? you said under 150? Or you an aus fag or something

>>58056538
Me too! Feels good not falling for memes.

>>58057094
Oh shit I was looking at the wireless models accidently. Now I'm interested for sure, are these supposed to have good bass being N "urban" headset?

>>58057058

I don't get why so many people meme against the m50x, it's like the Star Wars prequels of headphones. Some faggot makes a review against them and the bandwagon of fangays ensues. They're V shaped headphones with a solid build quality. Quite literally made for listening to Chinese cartoon music with good vocals and extra bass.

>>58057122
idk man, I just know, they have a warm leaning tuning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OM0EMdhAi4
I like this guy, check him out, and maybe look up some other reviews. You might be able to find a store that you can preview them at.

>>58057146
I think its because the bass is muddy, or maybe it requires some sort of modding to reach its full potential. Either way, as far as I know the DT 770's probably blow them away overall besides the whole portable thing

Forget cost, sound or looks.

Comfiest closed headphones for long term wear?

>>58057296
Beyerdynamics

People will say Sennheisers but those aren't really "comfortable" in the sense they have a hard clamp.

I'd argue AKG K240s as being one of the most comfortable because they're lighter than air also

>>58057296
ATH-AD lineup hands down, you don't even feel them.

>>58057296
akg 240 with bt990 pads

no contest

>>58057503
Semi-open? Haven't seen that category before. How leaky are they?

>>58057551
people on the bus will think you're listening to closed headphones at 120db
sounds close to open from the inside, but noticeably different

>>58057551
oh and you can mod them to be closed
head-fi has a thread on it

Any suggestions for a mid-range soundcard
(thought this would be a good place to check)

Price is not too important so any suggestions are appreciated.

>>58057635
In $current_year why are people still buying sound cards versus external DACs plus amps?

MSR7s are currently 189 on amazon

worth it? online consensus seems positive but are they actually good or just a meme

>>58057773
they're close to the best closed headphones, if you're in NA, definitely buy them because whenever I check they're like 250
if you're in EU, it's not that big of a price drop, since I usually see them at 200

>>58057727
cheaper
cleaner
doesn't fuck up my desk

sucks you don't get the volume knob tho

>>58057891
Just get a keyboard with volume control. It won't work with ASIO but why the fuck would you use that dinosaur anyway.

The only sound card worth buying is STX/II.

>>58057879
yeah i'm in US so it's $189 usd, so a pretty big drop

bought, looking forward to them.

>>58057879
Huh, I'm seeing $189 at a bunch of stores, including Fry's. Doesn't seem that special a price.

Thinking about getting the Xonar U7 Mk II http://www.asus.com/Sound-Cards/Xonar-U7-MKII/overview/


I'm attracted because I could plug my headphones and speakers in permanently, switch between with a button, and get a nice volume dial. Microphone jack too is nice as well.

Any major problem with it at first glance? Any competitors? Closest I can find is the JDS Element customized.

How do ATH AD900x's compare to 700x's for "gaming". Or is there anything better? Price range doesn't matter too much.

>>58058058
Get X2, they do the positioning thing just as well and have actual bass.

>>58056843
HM9's are actually really quite good. They're built fantastically, and are really damn comfortable. Sounded good too. If you want a good portable bassy pair, they're a good option.

>>58057296
If you don't mind IEMs, Ety's are god damn amazing simply because no weight on your head.

Otherwise, you can get any closed can with removable pads and add HM5/ZMF/Alpha Pads [in order from comfy to year's salary worth genuine Italian leather couch comfy] and have the best feeling headphone in the world.

DT 770's and Alpha pads would be my choice, because they're pleasant sounding and built well.

>>58057773
Best portable cans for the price. Comfy too.

>>58058058
For purely competitive shooters, or anything requiring accurate imaging, nothing compares to the ADx series. 900x are essentially just a linear upgrade to the 700x.

>>58058145
>they do the positioning thing just as well
No they don't.

I got the m50x as an early christmas present. Havent unboxed it yet. Any recommendable pads I could order?

>>58058642
What is your budget?

>>58058642
hm5
if you wanna be a real boss & like leather, https://www.amazon.com/Auray-Genuine-Sheepskin-Leather-Earpads/dp/B00EHTG7J8

>>58058745
He's be better off getting ZMF lambskins than those

>>58058755
oh I didn't know a better pad than the auray came out

>>58058782
There are probably a lot of better pads. ZMF's would be not only comfier, but also give him more soundstage, which M50x desperately need.

>I also don't think he's especially good.
Can't really comment much on his abilities beyond how well many of their products perform. There have been some bad gear too like Ragnarok's odd bias control causing massive distortion on certain signals or the Asgard's voltage spike on on/off cycle. I don't know what was Moffat's role on these designs.

>crossover distortion.
What was claimed?

>These forums generally exist for consumer product discussion. You can't really demand that these people know the subject deeply.
In many areas I'm a person who does not understand the subject too deeply. I don't have a problem with people being ignorant as long as they are willing to learn. The problem I have with internet discussion has to do with people who think they know and talk as if they did and then go on the give advice based on this or partake into a discussion out of their scope. It's a mere annoyance for the more knowledgeable but very confusing for people who aren't. It's also a root cause for a load of useless arguments. A good example here(and really on almost any headphone discussion) are the concepts people have about impedance. You seem to know that area better than anyone else here and keep correcting them but it's like there's no end to it.

>>58058891
This was meant as a reply to >>58049118

>Budget
50-70$
>Location
Italy
>Source
My phone and pc.
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Comfy to wear for at least 2 hours.
>Sound signature
Something neutral will be good. I don't have particular preferences.
>Past headphones
Some shitty and cheap chinese ones.

>>58059057
Superlux 662 EVO

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The Fidelio X2's are $199 on Amazon new right now, worth it?

I have V6's, and while I love them, I just don't find them "exciting" for the kind of music I listen to. I primarily listen to rock and hip-hop, and I hear that the X2's are a "fun" sounding headphone.

>Budget
$100~$150+fucking tax
>Location
California
>Source
Note3 and Fast Tack Solo.
>Type of headphone
Full size/Overear
>Open or closed
Open preferably.
>Comfort level
Good 4 hours.
>Sound signature
Warm to neutral.
>Past headphones
ER4PT, SE535

Would've like to keep using IEMs but I wanted to give open ended headphones a try.

>>58059331
hd558

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>>58059331
>ER4PT, SE535
Is three drivers on the 535 more detail and instrument seperation than ER4PT?

>>58059057
7506
>>58059331
558 probably

>>58059402
No, it doesn't work like that. Forget what's inside the headphones or in-ears, focus on what comes out.

Should I really buy the Takstar Pro80/HyperX Cloud? I've been staring at it in Walmart for a while now. I want a closed, comfy, a great overall cans also having a mic is a plus.

I need help with buying a pair of inears that have same quality of sound as a Philips tx1, my friend adviced me to buy kz ate and I got them, but they don't have the same clarity the tx1 have and i don't know what to do, if i were to order the tx1 i will have to pay a lot more than i used to, so which iems are similar to it?

I'm currently using a pair of old earphones (Sony MH410C) and have the opportunity to buy a pair of Sony MDR-ZX310AP for 30$ which seems like a pretty good price. Should I go for it?
>Budget
50$ at most
>Location
Somewhere in Europe
>Source
Laptop or phone, I spend a lot of time traveling
>Type of headphone
Full sized
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Let's say 6 hours
What bothers me is that a family member bought the ZX310 and when I tried them out the sound just didn't feel sharp/clear enough. I'm probably just not used to the bass after that many years of using earphones but I feel like it drowns out some of the quieter noises I'm used to hearing so I'd have to equalize them.

>>58058891

>>58052144 and >>58045642 here, but I've always thought Doug Self the kind of person that would be quite skeptical about the audibility of crossover distortion (hence calling his circuits 'Blameless') in a competent amplifier. Never really read anything suggesting otherwise except recommending to reduce it within reason.

The Ragnarok's bias control is horrible from the graphs I've seen. Literally makes the amplifier impossible to perform standard measurements on. Stoddard/Moffat seem to love making esoteric design decisions that has no peer-reviewed evidence (like DC servos = bad sound) and then work backwards from there, because special snowflake circuits must sound better or something.

The problem is the internet is full of false authorities like Purrin or Moffat who hide behind impressive-sounding pseudoscience that rarely gets called out. Those who call them out get criticised for not listening critically or lacking evidence with whatever low-volume artisanal amp they like. To date, even /r/audiophile is better than practically any large hifi forum because at least there seem to be some knowledgeable people who call out the subjectivist idiots.

More than impedance, I find the ignorance of HRTFs shocking. There is no hope of an amplifier or DAC changing soundstage if there is no change to binaural cues.

>>58059979
>lacking evidence

I meant experience.

>Budget: 120€ max
>Location: Benelux/Germany
>Source: Phone(Huawei p9 lite) and mobo
>Type: IEMs
>Comfort: For public transport (need isolation) and gaming
>Sound Signature: Not too bassy, neutral sound
>Past headphones: Marshall major II -hinges broke and they're on-ear and some shitty 20€ Sony on-ears
Plz halp

>>58059331
>ER4PT, SE535
How do they compare? Which one has more instrument seperation? I don't know if you're the same anon who replied to my post in >>58059402

>but I wanted to give open ended headphones a try.
Beyerdynamic DT880's are on sale over at Amazon. Would appreciate if you gave some SE535, ER4PT owner thoughts and not someone who only tried them.

>>58059786
if you want v shaped, yes

>>58060015
SE215

>>58059979
>To date, even /r/audiophile is better than practically any large hifi forum because at least there seem to be some knowledgeable people who call out the subjectivist idiots.
Yeah curiously, /r/audiophile is actually a decent place. Much better than /r/headphones at least.

>>58060016
I'm the anon who replied, I also happen to own both of those if you think that matters some. It's not about the driver count or technology used. Instrument separation, detail or whatever qualities of sound almost all fall into frequency response. I don't see anyone who would nominate the very dark sounding SE535 over ER-4PT in having more "detail" or "instrument separation", as vague as those descriptions can be. Aside from not sounding alike, the form factor is different. Etymotic is a deep fit canalphone and SE535 has much more shallow fit with a nice small earpiece. SE535 is super sensitive(you'll hear any noise coming from your source with these) and its sound is easily altered by higher output impedance. Just something to keep in mind when you plug them into something.

>>58052924
nice bideo gabes

>Budget
50-70 AUD (or 30-50 USD) range preferably. Can go a little over but not by much.

>Location
Australia

>Source
Phone, Nexus 6

>Type of headphone
IEMs

>Comfort level
Anything I can keep in for 1-2 hours at a time at least would be nice and which fit well for small ears. That being said, I'm willing to take a trade off in comfort if there's nothing good that fits the bill.

>Sound signature
Neutral or bright

>Past headphones
Sony XBA-1s

>>58059300
That's a good price for good headphones.

>>58061622
Forgot to add: would like something that'd last me some time, so durability should also be a key factor.

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Why is it near impossible get a decent pair of earphones nowadays that aren't in-ear ones?

>>58061658
>Why is it near impossible get a decent pair of earphones nowadays that aren't in-ear ones?
Easier than ever actually. EarPods are great if those fit you. Yuin PK1 is another nice option(even better than EarPods) but considerably more expensive.

>>58058483
Have you tried them? I've heard they're on ear but as long as they're comfy enough for a couple hours of listening I'm totally cool with that. I had the custom streets from beyerdynamics and those were unbelievably uncomfortable.

>>58051196
Please stop this meme, they're anemic as shit. The 702s are far superior

>>58062106
k612 are literally a superior version of the 702 tho

Does amp gain affect how the headphones sound or just the volume?

>>58062106
>calls 612 anemic
>says anemic garbage is superior
??

>>58062133
a good amp only affects the volume, bad amps and tube amps affect the sound, which is why tube amps are a meme and should be avoided

>>58062139
maybe it's less anemic??????????

>>58062170
it's not, at all

> buy a 300$ worth headphone
> still need to EQ

Are all headphones like this no matter the price?

>>58062216
yes

>>58062216
not if you buy the right ones

>>58062216
Yes and loudspeakers too. Embrace the DSP.

>>58062145
Silly generalization about tubes. They don't color anything given competent design.

>>58062299
literally the reason for the tubes is to alter the sound

Whoreing my question:
DT770 vs T50rp MKIII?

>>58062395
you've asked this seventeen times
go buy a rope instead and hang yourself

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>>58062255
The right ones would have an horizontal line from 20 to 20k

>>58062299
Then what's the point? Just get solid state amps and you don't have to worry about the design of the tubes (or the price)

>>58062432
no they wouldn't
in fact that's the opposite of what most people want

>>58062456
the right ones for me*

>>58062416
;)

>>58062483
no, what most people want
most people want bassy/v shaped headphones to listen to pop, rnb & rap

that doesn't mean there's no market for neutral headphones, but it doesn't mean all headphones should be neutral, because then we get into a scenario where you DO have you equalize all headphones

>>58062416
now that he's spammed it, i'm considering it too...

>>58062432
the right ones would follow the b&k curve which harman are just proving with their research

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>>58062550
>b&k curve
First time hearing about that, do these follow that curve?

>>58062607

Sph9500 or hd558

>>58062607
for gayman (hello /v/, nice [spoiler]spoiler[/spoiler]) you'll usually want V shaped

most of the good open v shaped shit is either out of your budget or like half your budget tho

maybe have a look at dt770 even though they're closed

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>>58062639
no

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>Budget
130$ max
>Location
Slavshitstan
>Source
PC
>Type of headphone
Full-sized
>Open or closed
Preferably open
>Comfort level
Willing to accept less comfortable headphones if it meant better sound quality
>Sound signature
;_;
>Past headphones
Logitech G35, Dell Tactx

Primarily for gaymen and rock/metal/classical music

https://smile.amazon.com/Sennheiser-HD-598-Cs-Headphone/dp/B01JP436TS/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1

Senn 598 closed on sale again at Amazon for $99. Seeing mixed reviews on sound quality. Should I wait for a better deal?

>>58062809
don't waste a cent of your money on that piece of trash.

I have takstar hi2050's and i see they dont sell them anymore. Where do i go from here?

>>58062977
you keep using them?
I don't see the problem?

>>58063036
I need another pair and if these break i dont wanna be lost in a sea of skullcandies

>>58063069
if they break you can get a sidegrade, clone or an upgrade, you don't HAVE to get a hi2050

For example, you could have a look at ISK HF2010 or Omnitronic SHP-600, which I've seen be compared to hi2050

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>>58063127
Exactly what i was looking for. Thank you sir. Heres a qt3.14

>>58052144
>>58058891
>stair-step bullshit people use to shit on digital conversion.
Just happening to forget the signal bandlimit of course.
>sampling theory means even non-closed form filters work for providing transparent sound
Strictly speaking it's defined by the duality of sinc and rect functions, and anything else is an approximate interpolation of the signal.
But, the same knowledge that proves sampling and reconstruction can define the error imposed by the filters, which we can make negligible. A steady filter is easily defined and not dependent on the method of synthesizing it.
I've said this before, but closed form filters aren't special snowflakes either. The windowed sinc is one of the more popular methods to make a filter and is built into the DSP suite in MATLAB and Octave.

>HRTFs and all that stuff are actually really easy concepts to grasp
I doubt that most people know what frequency response is and its properties.

>Doug Self
>skeptical about the audibility of crossover distortion
It was about the Class AB transistor pair contributing their own non-linearity in attempting to defeat crossover distortion. Transconductance, or Gm, doubling as it was called, which I'm not sure does what he says.
Looking his design over, the Blameless "Class B" design stretches the common definition of class B: it has a small and steady quiescent current.
I would have to look at and think over his arguments more carefully, but the crossover distortion issue doesn't apply well here.

>>58063152
she looks like a robot with plastic hair, don't you know the only accepted currency here is cute birbs like >>58062673

>Budget
$150-$250
recommends on a cheaper and a high end option would be nice

>Location
Burgerland

>Source
Monoprice DAC amp

>Type of headphone
Over Ear

>Open or closed
Open

>Comfort level
Very important

>Sound signature
not sure what I like

>Past headphones
Shure SE215, Hyper X Cloud(Takstar Pro80), Sennheiser HD518, Phillips SHP9500, Audio Technica ATH-M30, CHC Laredo, JVC HAS400B

>>58063294
which do you prefer for sound se215 or pro80/cloud?

se215 is neutral and cloud is v shaped

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>>58063294
forgot to say but I'm looking for good imaging and soundstage accuracy I also forgot to mention that I had AD500Xs

>>58063315
I dont think my current sources were really good enough to really enjoy those headphones, but I think I liked the AD500X the most out of all of them, I have already been rec'd the K612 and the ModHouse Audio Argon..... I was seeing what people here would recommend me

>Budget
around $300

>Location
US

>Source
May buy fulla 2 later on

>Type of headphone
Over Ear

>Open or closed
Open

>Comfort level
High, I will be wearing it all the time whenever I'm not out

>Sound signature
Not sure but I like mainstream pop, covers and remixes of pop, nujabes, dj okawari, little bit of kpop and hip hop

Looking at HD600/650 but not sure which is better

>>58063356
400i should do you right

he400i for $224.10

http://www.headamp.com/order/hifiman-he400i-planar-magnetic-headphones/

use code. HEADFI10

I'm not sure if this sale is still active tho

>>58063390
I feel like you'll prefer V shape, I really like having strong treble for okawari/nujabes, would probably improve kpop as well

Have a look at DT880 and if you can't get those for some reason, maybe K612/K7XX

>>58063425
Thanks for the suggestion. But would a v shape mess up vocals? I'm not sure if I want to sacrifice that too much

>>58063501
no the added treble should make female vocals better, which is why 7506 (neutral to bright) is often recommended for vocal heavy things like audio books, or god forbid, spoken ASMR

>>58063178
On Doug Self, he does seem to be more willing to comment on perceived sound/psychoacoustics of late.

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/analogue-source/284561-hypothesis-why-some-prefer-vinyl-douglas-self.html

Even went on DIYAudio to highlight a hypothesis as to why vinyl can sound preferable.

Most people dabbling in audio have some notion of FR. It is specifically HRTFs and binaural hearing that they don't understand, which is why nonsensical claims about soundstage and imaging are regularly made.

>closed form filters aren't special snowflakes

The problem is when people in a position of authority, whether deservedly or not, throw these terms around and correlate them to perceived sound. There is no internal logic to what they say, no evidence. Unfortunately, closed form filters make intuitive sense to most enthusiasts.

>>58063542
Thanks a lot, appreciate it

>>58061658
For $5 the Monk Plus is incredibly well regarded
https://aliexpress.com/item/32417311324.html

>>58063425
>>58063501
DT880s aren't v shaped at all. DT990s are though

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>>58063587
be sure to look into shit yourself, look up some reviews & whatnot

>>58063730
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/BeyerdynamicDT880250ohm.pdf
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/BeyerdynamicDT770.pdf

DT880 has a bit less bass than 770, which is to be expected since 770 is closed
DT990 is basically just a shit version of the DT880 and nobody should ever get it unless they want niggerbass and you're willing to compromise quality for it

all three of them are v shaped though

>>58063815
Regardless of what you say, DT880s are considered flat with a treble spike.

Have you ever tried them? I have a pair right here and they definitely have rolled off bass.

>>58063851
is this that meme where headphones with a neutral amount of bass are considered nobass rather than neutral and headphones with a slight boost are considered neutral?

beyerdynamic headphones are designed for 50 year olds which are about to have hearing loss and need that amplified trebble to compensate for it

How well will Fulla 2 drive HD600?

>>58064815
as far as I know HD600 doesn't even need an amp

What's the difference between the Brainwavz HM5 and the Audio Technica ATH M40X? The only difference I've found is people saying that the pads on the M40X are ass while the pads on the HM5 are a popular replacement pad, would it be the way to go to get the M40X and replace the pads on them with the pads from the HM5?

>>58064815
>>58064953
They do. Fulla 2 should be okay from the specs, but it wont get really loud.

Hey guys, what do you think of the Sennheiser Momentum 2 Over Ears?

>Budget
$40
>Location
USA
>Source
My phone
>Type of headphone
IEM
>Comfort level
Pretty comfortable, I'm going to be using these things 2-3 hours at a time.
>Past headphones
SoundMagick E10 -- I like them, but the foam tips are a little expensive. Also they just broke.

>>58064953
When I got them, with Oppo Ha2 vs my macbookpro they sounded different.

>>58065001
I guess I will just settle down with dacport hd, altho if not for delivery cost and tax I would get version with battery.

>>58065073
get another soundmagic e10 I guess

>>58056843
You can try Custom One Pros since theyre basically over ear streets

>>58061658
They're not. There are hundreds of options, especially from China. There is an entire thread on head-fi for them.

>>58063548
>some notion of FR
People sort of get the shape of the magnitude chart relates to tonality, but can't put it together with phase, or see that it represents relative sensitivity, amoong other things.

>HRTFs and binaural hearing
What aren't they getting?
That the stimulus signal sounds the same if the stimulus hasn't changed? There isn't much of any shift in magnitude in the audio band from modern cutoff filters. With a something like a linear-phase stopband filter, no phase issue either besides tap latency.
HRTF localization is characterized by relative difference between the ears, and much larger shifts in the spectrum.

>>58066522
Not the anon you replied to but could you elaborate on the phase and its relation to the FR? I'd like to understand it. Or point me to a place where I can read about it.

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X2 or HD650? pls respond

>>58062312
No, it's a method of signal amplification.

>>58062449
If you want price for performance, that's what you do.

>>58066867
Do you want V shaped fun or warm smoothness?

>>58066867
x2

So I have a Fulla 2 and HD 6XX coming in this week. Already have K7XX's which will also be used with the Fulla

Is this a somewhat decent setup or should I've gone with a different DAC/amp?

>>58066940
It's a fine setup.

>>58066902
I'm a bit wary of treble spikyness, but I'm not sure if its a problem with the x2s
Is it?

>>58066987
Yeah they're actually not as V shaped as I thought.

I personally own HD650s.

Is it worth upgrading to X2's from 9500's?

>>58067031
Which do you think is more versatile?

>>58067225
x2

>Budget
$150 $200 if the extra 50 is extremely justified.
>Location
USA
>Source
LG G4 or desktop
>Type of headphone
Wired Over ear.
>Open or closed
Either or. Never had an open headphone though.
>Comfort level
Enough to wear for an hour or two at a time minimum
>Sound signature
Neutral or slightly bassy
>Past headphones
Urbanears plattan, Urbanears zinken

Looking for a comfortable pair of quality headphones. Currently leaning towards ATHM50x for 130 and great reviews.

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I've heard that IEMs are better than headphones for bass, how true is this statement (I'm talking about at the same price)

>>58067132
You'll hear bass for the first time.

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>Always been using gaymen headsets
>Decide to upgrade
>Get Soundblaster ZxR
>Set up a Schiit (Uber) stack
>Plug in some Mayflower Fostex T50RP MK3
>mfw listening to a song for the first time

Nobody told me it would sound this good.

>>58067610
of course

>>58067661
I went from gaymen to an x2 and um2 as a daily driver
had a few mid tier cans in the past (akg240 tier)
its pretty good friend

>>58067603
People here seem to prefer the M40x over M50x because apparently they're more neutral, but given the reviews for the 50x I'm sure they're fine, especially if you like V-shaped sound.
However if you get the 40x or 50x you should get replacement pads because apparently the factory pads suck. HM5 pads get rec'd a lot.

Mostly just parroting what I've seen here after lurking the past 5-6 threads, but I'm also getting the M50x with HM5 hybrid pads so I hope my assessment is accurate.

I have the HD600s with Schiit Stack. Thinking of returning them cause I'm not sure how much different music really sounds with this compared to some $100 headphones.
Anyone with experience that can tell me how big of a difference there will be between this and the Sony MDRV6? Is there anyone that would actually prefer the MDRV6? Do they have a more unique sound, or are they neutral just like the HD 600s?

>>58067603
get xpt100/hm5
they're stupid comfy and neutral to bassy

>>58067661
I went to a fucking SR850 (668b clone without the dumb headwingflaps) and even then the difference was astounding

>>58068173
>>58067830
Aight so Comfort wise, it looks like HM5 pads are a go. As far as sound it looks like M50x is fine. Also weird question. but hows the tightness of the headphones. Loved urbanears zinken, but major flaw was they just tried to cut all bloodflow to your ears.

>>58066867
HD650 easily.

X2 is garbage, has a large treble spike.

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I'm looking into earbuds for my dad. He'll use them mainly while running for listening to music or watching tv on a phone or tablet.

His last pair of earbuds were Bose ones; not sure what model. He likes them, but the cords are kind frayed after having them for a while.

Mainly I'd just like to find some options that have a similar method of holding them in (pic related). And ideally around $30-$50.

I'd appreciate any suggestions.

>>58068823
urbanears Reimers. cheap. and made for running. Either that or go get some skullcandy bs.

How good are SRH1840? Is it worth paying extra over HD650? What are the best cans in €500-600 range?

>>58063294
>>58063320
>>58063320
If all you're looking for is open spatial accuracy, then you really cant beat the ADx series. What happened to your old ones?

Modhouse as you mentioned are probably as good as you're going to get out of a closed pair. Impeccable imaging for a closed can, though they're not exactly neutral, if that's what you're after. They're technically semi-open, but they're hardly any more open than some decent sized bass porting

If you want soundstage as well, I'd even go and say that the Modhouse are better, simply because they're wider. Imaging is great on them, but isn't quite on par with the ADx series.

K612's have pretty okay imaging. Not on par with either of the two suggested, but its decent, like most open headphones.

>>58067225
HE400i, failing that, HD650s but I haven't heard the X2s.

>>58067661
From Skullcandy Hesh2's to SR950's.
FeelsGoodMan

>>58064976
M40x are built slightly better. Other than that they're extremely similar. I'd say M40x have the tiniest bit more low end, but without listening back to back you wouldnt be able to pick out differences, yet alone be dissatisfied with one or the other.

M40x have a bit more clamp, and are foldable, so for a comfy closed pair for both home use and portable use they're great.

I'd personally go with M40x + HM5 Angled pleather pads.

>>58065022
Oppo PM3 is a good bit better, though I'm not sure how pricing factors now since both have been out for a while.

>>58069077
is the 400i or hd650 better for listening to mainstream stuff/some instrumentals?

>>58068591
Clamp is fine, even with larger pads. They're nowhere near as tight as portable cans, but they're not stupidly loose like a lot of larger cans tend to be.

>>58069091
angled isn't necessary since the drivers are already angled.

>>58067610
For price to performance, you can't beat IEMs in the low end, especially for /good/ bass. Until you get into shit like DT 770 even I'd say IEM's beat them out.

>>58069150
Yeah, I guess that makes sense. I've only used the normal HM5 pleathers on them, so I'd have assumed the angled would be more comfy. Didn't really think about the whole angled driver thing.

Are there any good >$100 Wireless+Plug in Headsets? I think my wireless is dying since it seems to keep desyncing so the option for both would be nice.

>>58067661
The only problem is when everyone around you enjoys listening to laptop, phone and 'portable' speakers, everyone else's shit sounds so terrible around you

>>58054753
i just found that mdr v6 pairs really well with fiio's sound signature, a must try

>>58069118
They're really similar, I personally like my HE400is better but either one is a solid choice.

It somewhat depends on source too, the HE400is are easier to drive.

>>58068691
>sennheiser
>anything but shit
lol

>>58067661
How does the low end sound on Mayflowers?
Also, do they sound good at a low volume?

>>58069773
Not him, but if you're looking for low end, you may want to look at the Modhouse Argons.

Mayflower V1's are a lot more sterile, so they're a good option of you're looking for that. V3's are more bassy, but the Argons sound better than them in my experience.

I have the c320 plastonic headset and it doesn't get recognized by the device manager. I alredy upated the drivers but it won't work.
It has worked before but only for some moments and it stopped

>>58069833
Well the Mayflower mod is easy enough do yo on your own