Site is currently down but do you think Kickass 2.0 is a honeypot?

why would it be a honeypot? if a copyright enforcer wants to take you to court, they need proof that you transferred the copyrighted data. just downloading (or even uploading) the torrent isn't enough.

i feel like the pirate community is the most preposterously misinformed community of people on the internet. left to their own devices i think they would do more damage to themselves than my mom would.

all public trackers are honeypots

>>58027426
>public trackers
kys

>>58027518
Private don't have any value for non autist users.

>>58027639
private trackers tend to have better signal to noise ratio, and the high quality stuff often hits private trackers first (that is, it always hits public trackers, just later).

the thing that irks me about private tracker elitists is the misconception i've seen where people think that private trackers are safe from copyright enforcement. like the trivial effort they had to go through to get into what.cd or whatever is enough to stop someone from the RIAA doing the same.

private trackers aren't some sort of safe enclave. if they're selling you on that, you're being fleeced.

>>58027444
Most copyright enforcers will send you a demand for payment even if you didn't download or upload any of the file. Just having your IP in the tracker is enough.

source: there was a study on this

>>58027678
I've never heard of someone getting a copyright notice when they pirated properly on a private tracker.

>>58027689
yeah, but there's no need to run the tracker to do that. kickass, what.cd, etc... don't have to be participants in any way for copyright enforcers to go down this route.

in fact, it would just be a huge burden for no good reason (and frankly it might muddy their position if they do have to take someone to court, if they were secretly operating a massive piracy ring; for one thing, a LOT of content that's not theirs would be in the mix, so they would at least have to answer to other copyright holders about why they quietly propped up a piracy site).

>>58027678
>and the high quality stuff often hits private trackers first
It's where the encoding teams are, the source of the actual movie encode, look at HDB.

>>58027708
>pirated properly
what does this even mean? proxy? seedbox? these are all precautions that would be sufficient for a public tracker as well.

and the point is that there's fundamentally nothing preventing a copyright enforcer from doing this, and the false sense of security people like you take on because you think it's unprecedented and therefore never going to happen makes for exactly the kind of soft target they would want to squeeze.

>>58027444
>left to their own devices i think they would do more damage to themselves than my mom would.

Do your mom like to damage pirates?

>>58027748
i didn't think i needed to clarify that but i guess i overestimated you guys. i meant self-harm to either party.

>>58027760
Your mother likes to self harm? Is she some sort of self-harming expert? Why would you use her as a measuring stick of self harm?

>>58027746
>pirate properly
Disabling any method of getting peers outside the tracker such as DHT.

>nothing is preventing copyright holders from doing this
What I don't understand is why I never heard of this happening. Maybe they only go for easy targets. I don't know. I just want to see an example of someone who claimed this.

>>58027426
>Site is currently down but do you think Kickass 2.0 is a honeypot?

Your IP is plainly visible to everyone who connects to the tracker. All public trackers have always been a honeypot.

>>58027797
>I just want to see an example of someone who claimed this.

That someone is in this thread. I've gotten notices from the open registration tracker pornolab.

>>58027815
You act like you can't see IPs on private trackers or that the gubbment can't get an account in your sekrit klub

>>58027853
its why torrents suck ass

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>>58027692
If the earth is flat, why can't you see europe or africa from florida?

>>58027730
Good point, but couldn't it be set up by a government group? Just like my government does with CP and the US government does with prostitution

>>58027863
The good thing is that

An IP != A person

>>58027909
But mate IP stands for Internet Person

>>58027875
atmospheric distortion

>>58027875
This is why chemtrails exist, to reduce visibility over long distances.

>>58027875
because of mountains and trees.
It is flat only to some extent not completely 2d lol u IDIOT

>>58027875
At that distance air blocks your view, similar to how fog/mist works on shorter distances.

>>58027948
Aw fuck

>>58027976
Yeah, that makes sense the water trees are fucking hell

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>>58027953
>>58027964
>>58027976
>>58027979
How did you even fall for it?

>>58027987
Yes and there is water at top of the mountains and trees. It is why u have deep water at some places and others not.

>>58027853
I didn't imply all private trackers were safe, only that all public trackers are dangerous.

But it just doesn't happen on most private trackers for the sole reason that they normally keep registration closed.

Also the government doesn't send notices retard. It's private companies that producers hire to watch over torrents and they send copyright notices on their behalf.

>>58028010
(you)

Hope this was point of your shit post you degenerate.

>>58027426
https://kickass.unblocked.onl/

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>>58028031
Sorry

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I was a pretty active user of ilovetorrents.me back before it was even a .me. Does anyone know of a way for me to get back in? It's been like 6 years and i've forgotten all my info. Would really mean a lot to me.

Even if your IP is visible, if you take proper precautions like VPN you can download monitored torrents. Just make sure that your VPN provider isnt a complete cuck.

why americans are acting like they're the only country on the internet? there're millions of users of kat, from all across the world, i can't think of it being a honeypot just for u.s citizens, you guys are being paranoid

>>58027853
>>58028029
The thing about security in the real world is that there's no such thing as “hard” security. The only trick to staying secure in practice is the ability to stay under the radar.

It's the same reason all malware is developed for the most popular platforms only, and why law enforcement and patent trolls only go after the biggest torrent trackers. Effort vs reward for them

Private trackers are literally only safe because of their obscurity. Whenever private trackers get too big to the point where they're essentially public (e.g. what.cd), they go down, too. That's why smart trackers are the ones that make it difficult to get in. Doing that keeps the community small, which keeps them under the radar. There's no other benefit.

If your operation is big and bad enough, no amount of technology will possibly protect you. You can hide behind 7 proxies and use tor/freenet exclusively for all I care, you WILL get busted if you attract enough attention, because of opsec failures, side channel leaks, etc.

>>58027692
You sound like the dumbasses who said that before space travel

>>58027797
>Disabling any method of getting peers outside the tracker such as DHT.
there's no reason that a copyright enforcer couldn't get the torrent and information about the swarm in exactly the same way that you get it. for the purposes of strong-arming your ISP, that's plenty.

copyright enforcers are all but eager to put leverage on you, and the easiest ways to do that are all outside of a courtroom.

>>58027887
there would be no political will to do it for music sharing, but in principle it could be done. people feel much more strongly about the moral issues entangled in child pornography and (to a lesser extent) prostitution than they do about copyright violation.

i realize that i'm being a little hypocritical by saying it's unlikely to happen because of norms and whatnot, but political entities (and that includes law enforcement) tend to be more concerned with how they "look" than copyright enforcers, who are sort of a step or two removed from patent trolls and other trolls in general. i expect copyright enforcers to try every despicable trick in the book, including ones that are at least "probably illegal". i don't necessarily expect law enforcement agencies to go after broad swaths of people that way unless they're doing something really reprehensible (like making/sharing child porn).

the exception that sort of proves the rule is the aaron swartz case, where the government went after him so doggedly that he committed suicide. political backlash against heymann and garland was pretty severe for a little while, and i think it confirms that people don't feel comfortable with the state fighting too aggressively to convict people of crimes that we all kind of feel aren't as "real" as real crimes.

>>58027953
>>58027964
>>58027979
how is it possible that we can see the moon then???

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>>58028182
Checkmate.

>>58027887
Why would the government give a solitary shit if you download some lady gaga song? It's the copyright holders who are the ones grabbing IPs from the swarm, sending DMCAs etc.

>>58028182
Cause the air gets less dense the higher you go. Also, you see the moon because sun's light is reflected off it.

>>58028179
>and i think it confirms that people don't feel comfortable with the state fighting too aggressively to convict people of crimes that we all kind of feel aren't as "real" as real crimes.
Honestly I think most people don't see these things as crimes in the slightest, it's just that the laws aren't made by the people - they're made by the rich lobbyists

>>58028273
If you listen such shity music your are probably the next mass murderer that is why they care.

>>58028292
>Also, you see the moon because sun's light is reflected off it.
Bullshit, if the moon reflected light you'd see your face when you look at it.

>>58027851
Thanks senpai

>>58028273
yeah but i think his point is fair enough — if i'm not reading too much into it, basically asking why we shouldn't expect law enforcement agencies to go after every crime. and in theory they could (and might, someday), but right now it's just not worth their time/effort.

i've filed a police report for my home being burglarized and the cops didn't really even bother to do any real evidence-gathering. between the insurance covering shit and the low likelihood of finding the suspect, it just didn't make sense for them to do much more than file a police report so i can reference it in my insurance claim.

>>58028303
>I only steal the finest music from artists that have no money
Good one, bud

>>58028338
>yeah but i think his point is fair enough — if i'm not reading too much into it, basically asking why we shouldn't expect law enforcement agencies to go after every crime. and in theory they could (and might, someday), but right now it's just not worth their time/effort.
Because even law enforcement knows they can't sanely enforce a law that basically everybody break even if they had the capability to do so. At beast, they'll go after the most extreme cases.

A country can't put its entire population into jails, after all. (Well, not that the U.S.A. isn't trying)

>>58028342
Entertainment is not real job,otherwise i should get paid for shitposting here all day long.

So sorry,not sorry.

>>58028293
the notion that copyright/patent law is entirely dictated by lobbyists is hyperbolic at best and nonsense at worst. it goes back to jefferson and the idea that a person should get to benefit from a creative idea that they have. the fact that disney and others have totally coopted copyright law is separate from the question of "yes or no, should people be able to get copyrights". if we had the copyright regime we had 200 years ago, i suspect there would be a lot less complaining about this stuff.

and i don't know whether people think of piracy as a crime or not, but i suspect they recognize it's a crime on the books but only in the same way that when you get to a section of the road that says "KEEP CLEAR" (obviously so that cross traffic can still get through when there's traffic), people sort of see it as a guideline rather than a directive. that is to say that they don't make the connection that if they violate it, bad things should happen to them. not as bad as if they kill a guy, but still something.

>>58028363
if the police had the manpower they absolutely would go after everyone, but importantly they wouldn't necessarily put everyone in jail.

when i blow past a red light i don't get hauled off to the county jail to spend a weekend thinking about it. i pay a steep fine. if the police could legally send out blanket letters vaguely extorting people for crimes the police just assumed everyone committed, i bet they'd haul in a fortune. fortunately the courts wouldn't allow that kind of horse shit, so the cops have to come up with at least a flimsy pretext for fining someone or charging them with a minor/petty crime.

this is how copyright enforcement works, too. sending people to prison is not only insanely expensive (the attorney fees alone scale prohibitively), but it erodes the public's tolerance of these groups pretty significantly. i remember when the RIAA was going after some people on napster and public support was just collapsing all around the RIAA. they figured out quickly that they couldn't do this more than a few times, and after that their best bet is to take a pound of flesh and just call it a day.

my big fear is that the police will adopt big brother to extract more and more bullshit settlements from people who commit crimes that are kind of bullshit in the first place. like a digital version of those police speed traps.

>>58028304

Oh man this is gold, wish I had a reaction image

>>58028454
Just take a photo of the moon lmao
Yeah, didn't think so.

>>58027948
Kek

>>58028342

Do you have any actual numbers on this? I would postulate that the added visibility/word-of-mouth of music spreading for free does much more for the band than a few CD sales. The (((record companies))) take almost all of the profits from records anyway. The band can make money from gigs, merch, kickstarter/patreon, etc. that they wouldn't make if their music was locked behind a paywall.

Pirating music only hurts the kikes.

>>58027426
why the fuck does it matter, you're using tor to access the site and a vpn to download right?

>>58028623
No, I stopped using a VPN. I just couldn't justify the price and effort given the poor quality of every VPN I've tried

>slow as fuck speeds
>banned basically everywhere
>recurring payments are annoying

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>>58028623
>mfw I live in a shitty third world country and no one gives a fuck about what you do online

Man this reminds me of the day what.cd was taken down. So much salt on these threads.

>>58027692
>what is a meniscus

>>58028423
>when i blow past a red light i don't get hauled off to the county jail to spend a weekend thinking about it. i pay a steep fine.
But most people are glad that everyone doesn't just blow through red lights all the time, since that would put them in danger.

>>58028423
The police don't do this private firms that contract with the municipalities and cities do. Check out Chicago's automated red light scams or MN bullshit speed cams. You get a civil penalty not a criminal one and the vehicle receives the penalty not the driver. It's blatly corrupt and easy for cities to get away with it because if you want to contest the issue you have to do it in that jurisdiction. So if you get a civil fine on vacation and get a letter 2 weeks later you have to drive to whatever shit hole city issued their bullshit proclamation. It's a legal scam.

>>58028016
There is nothing like that in the way from Florida to Africa. From key west I should see the west coast of Africa.

>>58028810
yeah. i didn't say it was wrong. i just pointed out that it's one way the police enforce laws. the implication that the police would overcrowd prisons further assumes that all of these petty crimes cops aren't even bothering to enforce right now would yield prison sentences if they were enforced, which we both know is specious.

>>58028859
the entire thing is a mess and corrupt but these are municipal laws and the police could pull you over for running a red light if they cared to and there was no traffic camera. that's the point.

the fact that they outsource it to a private firm is about as related as the fact that many prisons are privately operated. it's a shame, but not relevant here.

>>58027426
No fucks given 2.0

>>58027875
Flat earths work in mysterious ways.

>>58031285
>Yeah, have a little faith won't you?

>>58027426
I don't live in an anglo country, they can collect all the data they want and send it straight to the fbi for all i care

Why don't you just buy it?

>>58034208
I buy things if I enjoy them. Can't know if I'll enjoy them without pirating first.

>>58027518
>muh secret club

>>58027875
because you need a super duper telescope, you idiot

>>58027875

portals

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>>58028304

>>58028454

Who cares if it's a honeypot. Downloading from it has no consequence anyway.

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>>58028376
Tell that to Bach.

>>58027426
what makes you think the first one wasnt?

PXgamer's critical comment posted on TF:

>1. It is buggy as fuck
>2. There are major security risks
>3. It uses just a page layout dump from Archive.org (they could have at least coded some of it well, the only part that looks like they did code it was the trackers table which is completely out of place)
>4. CLIENT SIDE LOGIN VERIFICATION... like what??? Did they code this in the 90s?
>5. Using HTTPS fonts on HTTP page. (Please, you have an SSL certificate, force it)
>6. Erm... wtf...
>http://archive.is/otoCA
>[KAT java_klappe.js link he posted 404'd]
>Couldn't even write your own JS?
>7. Just so people know, the thousands of pounds we donated to "bringing back KAT" will just be used by PD. They are using an open source torrent site framework for the backend (and most of the frontend).

>It is not KAT, and never will be like KAT. So stop trying and make something new. Don't ruin the KAT name. The old devs were great, and open to criticism and ideas.

>>58027678

It's merely a myth that private trackers have higher quality and more seeders. It's the crappy handheld cams that are always on private trackers listed as "HD rip" or people stealing content from public trackers and reuploading to a private tracker in order to get more upload ratio.

They are a placebo and worse yet some idiots actually pay to be part of a private tracker. If you're not retarded and know how to use a VPN you can download movies safely from places like TPB.

>kat in charge of staying online for longer than 4 hours

torrent project is much faster

>>58038191
It's stupid to depend on just one site in the first place.

>>58037760
>It's merely a myth that private trackers have higher quality and more seeders.
t. never been on a private tracker in his life

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>>58027426

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>>58028270
spherecucks BTFO

>>58028766

the first shit of a baby. I remember some niggers at the hospital heard that term and wanted to name their kid that because they thought it sounded cool, a nurse talked to them and explained it, and that's how I learned about it. Maybe I'm remembering the word wrong though.

There's a thread on /tv/ talking about it being a honeypot

>>>/tv/77341135

One anon is basically saying 'stick with TPB/DHT/whatever you use, don't bother with this day old site' and there's hundreds of replies calling them paranoid etc, it's a pretty strange thread.

They're also talking about how it's only a day old and already has 800+ results on google news, which is pretty obvious paid marketing imo.

The question is, are they posting here too? Or is it just your typical anon trying to disagree with whatever is said?

No matter what, I'm not going near this place. There's already dozens of better trackers, I'm not sure why this one is getting so much attention.

>>58027518
Looks like private trackers already did it themselves.

>>58040704
>moron saying stupid shit
GTFO

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>>58027692
Since I can't say anything nice about this, I'm choosing to say nothing at all.

>>58040731
What.cd says hi, from the grave

>>58040760
PTH, Apollo?
400K torrents each in 2 weeks.
Millions of seeds.
The hydra lives on.

>>58040757
That's very mature of you anon.

>>58040852
I know.
Surprising, right?

How long until the admin shuts it down and runs off with the passwords?

>>58027426
Excellent!

>>58027692
>gravity exists not
create a gravity field around an object which is strong enough to keep of the earths field and evoila you will have a round object with water surrounding it

>>58040797
Too bad it's another secret club and if any of those go down, every single torrent would be forever lost, because of the nature of it's users.

>>58039785

I have been on over 20 private trackers, some of which were paid. They always had awful or subpar quality, most of which is stolen from public trackers.

>>58042074
>I have been on over 20 private trackers, some of which were paid.

you don't know what you're doing then

>>58027426
Maybe. We'll have to wait and see. Most of the time it doesn't matter what we think. Facts are more important.

>>58027498
Not so much. I've been using TPB for years and never once got a letter or call from my ISP.

>>58027692
How dense are you? I know it's bait but I'll take it. The Earth is actually not a perfect sphere. Take an object and weigh it on the equator and in Antarctica. The same object will have slightly different weights to it. Not much, but nonetheless measurable. This proves that the Earth is round and is an imperfect sphere.

>>58034208
There are some things you simply can't buy anymore, like certain games. I also needed a Macintosh ROM for an emulator. There's also certain music that I enjoy that's not on Google Music or iTunes, otherwise I would buy it. There are also some really old iPod firmwares and stuff that I can't find many places. And I repair older Macs that run OS X Tiger and lower. Apple basically told me to fuck off when I asked to purchase the older installation media at full retail price.

>>58042074
>They always had awful or subpar quality, most of which is stolen from public trackers.
Sounds like somebody is angry he failed the what.cd interview or something

Show me a single other tracker that has even 10% of the amount of content what had, and I'll believe you

>>58027748
>>58027444
>>58027708
>>58027730
>>58027746
>>58027797
>>58028382
>>58028611
>>58034293
>>58028342

Publishers often refer to copying they don't approve of as “piracy.” In this way, they imply that it is ethically equivalent to attacking ships on the high seas, kidnapping and murdering the people on them. Based on such propaganda, they have procured laws in most of the world to forbid copying in most (or sometimes all) circumstances. (They are still pressuring to make these prohibitions more complete.)

If you don't believe that copying not approved by the publisher is just like kidnapping and murder, you might prefer not to use the word “piracy” to describe it. Neutral terms such as “unauthorized copying” (or “prohibited copying” for the situation where it is illegal) are available for use instead. Some of us might even prefer to use a positive term such as “sharing information with your neighbor.”

>>58043766
The only people who are doing the term “piracy” disjustice are the people constantly reminding us about “hurr high seas durr ships” bullshit

Look, I don't give a shit. “Piracy” to me as a term has never referred to anything other than sharing copyrighted content. Stop trying to change what the term means to the people who use it.

>>58043973
It gives the corporations who are trying to pass laws against it legitimacy when it is called piracy. It causes people to equate it with theft, even though it is not legally.

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>>58043973
So because your mother called you "little shithead" means that little shithead means you specifically?

great logic you have going there matey

>>58043766
Fuck off RMS you toe jam eating faggot.

>>58043766
>>58044113

>developers invest their savings into X
>you "share X with your neighbor" and so on without paying
>can't pay the mortgage they accepted to fund X
>they lose the house
>them and their families die homeless
>developers can't recover their investment and lose everything and starve
>hurr durr, I didn't attack them and murdered them on the sea while wearing a parrot on my shoulder, so I'm basically a saint

>>58044113
>It causes people to equate it with theft, even though it is not legally.
NO it doesn't. To me piracy means file sharing, not theft. I don't know what it means to you.

“Pirates” in the sense you're trying to forcibly equate with the term haven't existed for centuries

>>58044607
nice logic you got there

>>58043063
> The Earth is actually not a perfect sphere.
>Take an object and weigh it on the equator and in Antarctica.

That proves nothing. The difference in weight could be due to differences in the density of the underlying geological structures, not necessarily due to the Earth being an imperfect sphere.

>>58027692

The correct answer to this is to observe that those pictured bodies of water do not actually have flat surfaces. Even a glass of water does not have a flat surface. The surface is always spherical, with a radius equal to the radius of the Earth. It only appears flat because you're judging the flatness visually, and not using precise tools to get the required precision necessary for measuring the curvature. For example, a horizontal laser beam with very small divergence can be used to measure the curvature of the surface of a large body of water.

>>58045575
>Pirates
>haven't existed for centuries

>>58048162
Piracy as we know it from mainstream media ended in the early 1700s.

>>58048214
But there are still pirates who attack ships, even if they aren't waving the Jolly Rodger.

>>58027518
> Sucking someone's dick just so they'll allow you to download free files

>>58048736
Please don't call them pirates, you're doing the filesharing community a disservice by associating them with such criminals

somali pirates actually started out as a navy in response to other countries cucking their waters. eventually they just said fuck it and rob these motherfuckers. american propaganda education system fail.

>>58027444
Honeypots don't usually have honey, unless operated by the feds.

>>58027678
The site was raided in response to the noise by Shrek-eli, compounded by the fact that France has been in a continual state of emergency since the Paris attacks (empowering military police), and that OVH has had a terrible reputation for harboring illegal activity (not just file sharing).

>>58027689
>there was a study on this

The burden is on you to prove it exists, not on me to prove that it doesn't. Source or you're a lying piece of shit.

>>58027875
>literally projecting

>>58027426
They can honeypot my ass all they want.

I don't give a fuck if they want my porn list.
I never understood how honeypotting is a problem.
Unless your compulsive about torrenting then you risk nothing.

what's the big deal anyways

just throw the dumb letter you get away
isp's don't give a shit about someone downloading cartoons

>>58027875
Your eyes can see so far, faggot

>>58044629
Holly shit what a strawman and ad moralis combined.
>devs don't ivest into X, investors do.
>investors don't take out loans.
>losing money is part of the investment game.
>if company shuts down devs don't starve, they're just out of job.

Even in the rare occasion that a dev is an investor. And he takes out a loan. It's just risk management. Same as robing a bank.

Any sort of moral argument for/against piracy is completely irrelevant. Piracy is ILLEGAL, that's all that matters.

>>58055153
Then why can't you see the other continents with telescope?

>>58057941
See >>58028270

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>>58040334
>the first shit of a baby.
Pic related

>>58058897
Okay, second question if the earth is constantly accelerating by 9.8m/s^2 what is going to happen when we reach the speed of light and when are we going to reach it?

If it was a honeypot, surely it would be up. What's the point of an inaccessible honey pot.

>>58059011
Baby shit confirmed as cure for certain knee ailments. Spread the news.

>>58059214
>>58059011
this is how “alt medicine” is born

No government agency would go to the effort of a torrent honeypot when downloaders can only be and are only targeted in the U.S

>>58027426