"Our life is frittered away by detail."

I do. Also I love TUIs.

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>>57787484

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Amiga is sexy

god i love amigas and commodores

>>57787484
What surprises me about that image is how much useful things they have in that 1024x768 screen.

I have a screen of that resolution and I run almost everything full screen because everything is fatter.

Now people are saying they have super high-resolution screens for "real estate."

Anyone else think we're all trying to solve an issue that already was solved years ago?

>>57787597
I still have a commodore I acquired from my grandfather after he passed. Are there any sites or places that sell a monitor for it?

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>>57787484
I do.

>>57787686
I don't think you get the point of this thread.

The lines of code just for that cartoon are probably twice and numerous as the entire UI in OP's image.

>>57787683

Any TV with composite input will do really, but I'd keep an eye open on Ebay for a Phillips CM8833.

If you are American the Commodore 1701's and 1702's show up more often.

www.jellybeanstyling.com

best website. amiga theme with scanlines.

>>57787808
Actually loads really fast as well. Even works on Dillo and NetSurf with only a few cosmetic differences.

>>57787837
>amiga
>disgusting pig
the amiga gods are ashamed

>>57787989
>I don't know who Dawn is
Kek, you're in the wrong neighborhood motherfucker

Don't forget--AROS is amiga for x86.
Google icaros desktop.

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New content added for Mac OSX users.

>>57787725
sweet thanks

>>57788058
Except that site is 100 times more bloated then the actual AmigaGuide library was.

>>57788058
>no actual content
>just a memesite, probably by some hipster douche

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>>57788078
There's always aminet.net

Doesn't even need CSS.

>>57787725
C64 can output split luma/chroma with the right cable, so a good TV with S-Video is also an option.

>>57787484
>tfw lightweight websites will never come back
chans truly are dinosaurs

>>57788078
CSS: 6.6KB
HTML: Avg ~6KB.
IMAGES: 104KB
How exactly is that more bloated than .amigaguide? Is virtually identical. (Discounting images of course).

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>>57788111
Or even better, ASCII pr0n, doesn't even need graphics.
http://cleartext.asciipr0n.com/

>>57788128
>How exactly is that more bloated than .amigaguide? Is virtually identical.
Nope.
You forgot the CSS and HTML engines running on your browser.

>>57787716
>I don't think you get the point of this thread.
I don't think you get the point of your own thread as described, actually. You said:
>Who else has a real love for very basic presentation?
That image is a relatively basic presentation. Your OP said nothing about LOC, and LOC is usually a fucking awful metric.

>>57788148
lol I can't account for shitty software bloat.

Gotta push with the cock you got.

>>57788158
>Simple, pure HTML
>post bloated shit

>>57788173
>very basic presentation
>posts basic presentation
WOW WHAT THE FUCK STOP POSTING IN MY THREAD YOU DON'T GET IT!!!!!111

Bickering faggots. Nothing ever changes.

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http://www.amikit.amiga.sk/

Check this out. Complete install with all the newest trimmings.

>>57788221
No thanks.
I bet you're one of those faggots who thinks AmigaOne is cool too.

>>57787665
like they don't just upscale shit
UHD is even kind of small at 43"
effectively the same DPI as a 21.5" FHD display
I've got one of those and the DPI is too high for me to use it as a primary, in my opinion, so I use it only for things like IRC and things i just peek at every now and then
high DPI on a desktop/laptop is a joke unless you're an architect or something.

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>>57787484
Looks like shit.

>>57788251
You fucking tard, its OS 3.1/3.5/3.9 (whatever you install from).

Runs under winuae, or euae, or armuae or whatever.

Its a huge patch that installs all the latest stuff from devs who continue to work on amigaos, as well as all the best software thats been freely licensed to be included (like DOPUS5 Magellan).

You faggots sure are quick to judge without looking into things. /g/ is full of shithead autist faggot fucks.
And its free.

Only someone with a simple mind likes simple websites.

You cannot "chop out" client side libraries for example javascript because you are thereby chopping out an entire extra dimension. JS is in fact much better than standard html even for your "minimalism" faux-idea since it lets you be more minimal for example using it to control css to hide certain elements until they are necessary. Cry your hipster luddite eyes out about it being "heavy" except you have literally no retrofaggot solution to this.

Without JS, you have to display the entire page always and will end up writing "don't do this if you didn't check this other box" and the page will be more visually bloated than your precious html only site.

You also completely kill the idea of getting other content or updates in real time or based on user input and would have to refresh the entire page and resend the entire document every single time you want to see the new numbers, which also goes directly against your minimalism circlejerky faux-idea.

Early "website design" was anything but, any requirement past the most basic p and h1 tags ended up exploding and you either had to refresh the page every quarter second for every irrelevant thing or have hideous "solutions" of installing a shit and insecure library on the client pc like ActiveX or flash.

what you are doing here is modifying the past by ignoring everything that required these needs so you paint this "golden era of the web" when it was miserably shit. You really don't know what "simple" or "pure" is, "basic" etc, which is why these threads are shitty neo-luddite circlejerks and you take some shit old man approach and just say "javascript was a mistake" or whatever meme lets you pretend to fit in with this luddite internet club.

>>57788299
>implying nobody knows already what you posted about
>muh emulation
cringe

>>57787686
you could literally make that in 1/8th of the space

>>57788335
>Cry your hipster luddite eyes out about it being "heavy" except you have literally no retrofaggot solution to this.
wasn't there already a post about AmigaGuide?

People like anon here are the real idiots who don't know shit and just accept a cock in their mouth.

>>57787484
Me.

All math courses at my uni always use their own webpages for each course and they are always pure HTML.

They are super easy to navigate and they load fast af. 10/10 would browse again.

>>57788335
You sure don't know much about HTML if you don't even know you can auto-refresh without JavaScript.

>>57787716
so? technology gets better.

>this movie is in 4K
>"it's bigger size so we must throw it out"

>this new videogame has 1000 more polys per model and over 5x as many levels
>"it's bigger size so we must throw it out"

you also chop out the ability to have design choices while everything in the shitty amiga ui is the same. "new" technologies like js and css open up entire different dimensions of design using the same browser libraries which implement them.

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>>57788340
Fuck you faggot.

>>57788431
Bloat =/= progress

>luddites hate everything new
nice bait

>>57787484
I don't think there's any reason for the box to be grey specifically, but yeah, I prefer simple windows/websites and smaller, efficient, single purpose applications to more feature-rich individual websites and applications. That's why one can associate file extensions with specific applications in the first place

>>57788335
>Only someone with a simple mind likes simple websites.

That is quite a leap.

> since it lets you be more minimal for example using it to control css to hide certain elements until they are necessary.

We have a technology that can do that. It's called scrolling.

>You also completely kill the idea of getting other content or updates in real time or based on user input

I can't see myself shedding many tears for "two other people are reading this!" pop ups.

> resend the entire document every single time you want to see the new numbers,

What new numbers are so important that you have to keep pressing F5 to get to them?

>installing a shit and insecure library on the client pc like ActiveX or flash.

Interesting, so you dislike ActiveX and Flash, but defend JavaScript, despite them being all as bad as each other.

>neo-luddite circlejerks

So would you consider a new device powered by blood better than an old device powered by electricity? I hope you say yes, or you're a neo-luddite.

>>57788431
You don't belong in this thread.

Go and research amdahls law, and the current power density problem of CPUs, then come back and tell us were all luddites you fucking tech illiterate shit fuck.

>>57788434
>iCantAffordArealAmiga.iff

>>57787716
Judging something by LOC is fucking retarded
>>57787484
>>>/gd/

ITT: technological equivalent of "I'm 13 and I only listen to The Beatles, I was born in le wrong generation xd"

The people spewing vitriol in this thread are the same people who don't know the difference between the heap and the stack.

>>57788485
>look at me i'm projecting
not everyone was raised on an iphone

>>57788431
>buy new hardware
>gets bloated
>buy new hardware
>gets bloated
>etc.

So in the end no actual progress is being made and you're essentially running on a treadmill that's getting faster and faster, but you're still not getting anywhere.

I notice how the quality of the medium is totally irrelevant to you. That the media is BIGGER is simply enough.

>>57788512
This post is GOLD.

>>57788434
>i'm 13 and heard about this old thing called amiga

>>57788431
new technoligies that open up a waste of resources and inconsistent GUI design.
this is like the keygens and other skiddie shit that everyone made 10+ years ago.

There is an ABSOLUTE limit to computing capacity: amdahl's law and thermal density.

If things keep going the way they are, we will NEVER see software that does much more than it does now.

We HAVE to go back to efficient coding, there is not choice, unless we're gonna stay right where we are. More transistors is NOT going to make much of a difference, and more cores is almost meaningless given amdahls law.

The real luddites in this thread are the ones that think we can just keep adding more and more bloat.

>>57788485
If you don't like black music there's very little to be interested in in regards to current popular music. Then again, you'd probably consider a kid listening to something outside of the pop charts a hipster.

Also, should we not learn from the past and use what is good to enrich the future? Isn't history just a lesson to the young?

>>57788458
The best way to show how luddites are full of shit is when you look at any other field to see that nobody does this.

>lots of books have been written
>try to write new book
>"We're not going to let you write a new book because enough books have already been written, and I personally can't really process this"

At a certain point you're simply going to have to admit you're a categoric example of baby duck syndrome and you can't move on from whatever you happened to have at the time. the only other group of people that does this are creationists wherein they base absolutely 100% of their logic on one book and ignore everything else because the book says so, and then you see them disregard 3000 year old science. this is comparatively the same when you take technology's exponential rate of progress into account and you pretend that 80s design was somehow superior because it had less lines of code.

private sector is behind me since nobody's going to give a shit about your nostalgia circlejerking pretending that "whatever was first must be the best because it was what I had at the time". putting this UI into work for any business at any level even non-public would immediately show your shitty hippie mentality. Generally speaking, if the business later on hires a separate UI person, you may have to stop and say that you might have fucked up.

>>57788565
The industry is moving back to the old way. Case in point is unikernels. But I suppose that's just a meme too, right?

You have literally no idea what you are talking about.

Terry Davis, in his own crazy way, is right about a lot of things.

And besides, anyone who trolls the CIA is badass in my books.

>>57788470
this translates to "this is a circlejerk and we don't want to hear about 15 year old technology"

>>57788512
there is no 80s UI that had any kind of animation because there wasn't enough power at the time to do it. the shitty consumer hardware dictated what was made, not some precious religious design choice.


did you know there are bbs and irc circlejerks for your type? if you want to pretend to be a 70 year old boomer instead of being 20 and keep repeating "I was born in the wrong year!". For everyone else, there's employment. Or you can keep making this shit thread every day, you realize that the entire board is choosing to ignore you because they know you're all lost causes? Same exact thing happens with the BSD "generals" in a more extreme way.

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>>57788540
This is really what it comes down to.

Here's a question to those that throw around the "luddite" insult. Is supporting wind or water power "luddite" or "progressive"?

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>>57788642
it sure is if you pretend that whatever was made first, must be the only way you can do it.

here's a modern example of water power. What's being said in this thread is that the people of the 1800s knew they could make something like this but chose to do so instead with a watermill, not because of technological limitations but because it's fucking better, faggot!

imagine the hoover dam as a giant wooden watermill with a smelly hippie on top of it screaming 24/7 about how superior it is.

>>57788625
The Amiga would have been fully capable of animated UI elements. In fact, in a very simple way it did. When you clicked an icon that icon would sometimes change to another before the program launched. Like the comet in the Ambermoon logo.

I suppose ASM is for luddites too.
I suppose understanding CPU registers is luddite tier as well.
I gues cache coherency is to be ignored.
etc. All luddite shit I guess.

What happens when all this knowledge is lost.

>>57788543
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ho9T2RmMJ8
this is not ghetto trash music, and it's still new
and i like it

>>57788677
Then here's the question. Would the water going around a giant twirly straw before reaching the generator be considered acceptable. I mean, it would look great and we can do that now. Curved pipes aren't hard to build.

So would you support such a superfluous idea, simply because it's new, or would you want the generator to be as simple and effective as possible?

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>>57788700
Amiga had animated icons on the desktop if one so chose.

Many programs had animated elements, such as music trackers, paint programs, and video editors.

The workbench was a very SMALL part of the Amiga UI experience. Many programs didn't use the workbench at all.

Gif added that displays this.

>>57787604
why are all weird OS mascots furries?

>>57788727
I bet that's not even in the charts. I bet you're a pretentious hipster.

>>57788565
They don't make excavators 10 times as heavy to make them look good just because the hydraulics we have now can drive it

>>57788736
it also looks really boring
why isn't it made of shiny chrome or something?
it also needs blue floodlights shining on it
also like, a laser projector showing cool animations

yea, that'll make it generate power better

>>57788765
what are even the charts? I listen to the radio in the car sometimes but most if it is no good.
i don't use streaming services since im not a poor retard and can afford a server

>>57788786
lul this anon gets it.

>>57788757
>why are all weird ... furries?
you answered your own question

I don't think the naysayers in this thread actually understand what bloat even is.

The amiga GUI toolkits are just as capable, and in many cases, superior to anything available on say Linux. MUI is far more powerful than GTK. Its very comparable in many ways too, however, it runs fast on a cpu that is 7mhz. Try that with GTK.

I really don't think the naysayers have any idea of how modern the Amiga actually was. I doubt they even know the feature set--software or hardware wise.

>>57788757
because everyone who makes an OS mascot is autistic.

>>57788543
>Also, should we not learn from the past and use what is good to enrich the future?
I completely agree. Let's use what is good to enrich the future, instead of mindlessly glorifying the whole past like some people in this thread.

>>57788868
I want to fuck the KDE dragon.

>>57788900
No one is glorifying floppy disks. No one is glorifying dial-up.

No one is glorifying cards to do lower case characters.

You know what we are glorifying? Lightness, speed, efficiency. An OS that was essentially free in terms of system usage.

Why have we been convinced that waiting for a computer to start is still acceptable? Windows 10 has an animation that plays while the calculator application loads. The fucking calculator needs to load. Defend THAT bullshit.

>the people wanting an increase in efficiency are the luddites
>the people wanting more weaverwomen sat at bigger looms are the futurists

Really activates my almonds...

>>57788839
That's really the point at the centre of all of this. We have "minimalist" software that just does nothing, yet is still heavier than the software that DID do something.

It's not acceptable. I don't know why a technology enthusiast boards tolerates it.

/o/ wouldn't defend a car that was slow, drunk fuel like a fish does water, heavy, and impossible to maintain, simply because "oh but it looks so nice."

People wouldn't buy a television or home appliance as shit as what we accept from software developers.

>>57787686
So much useless bloat.

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>>57788948
I want to fuck Windows Vista.

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>>57789108
>On the outside the car looked, at first glance, like a mildly futuristic 4-seat coupé. On closer inspection one could see that there was no hood permitting access to the car’s engine. Engine maintenance required taking out the whole front end of the car body. This was not supposed to happen often, as the engine was designed to need an oil change only after 50,000 km (31,000 mi) and to automatically send a radio message to a garage a short time before any required maintenance.

>Filling the windshield washer tank was done by a capless ball valve, right next to the capless gas tank ball valve. Volvo surveys had found (among many other things) that female drivers considered caps to be a major nuisance.

>The car featured run-flat tires, like those of wheeled armoured vehicles, in order to be able to drive all the way to a garage after a puncture and thus avoid having to change a tire by the side of the road.

>All of the textile panels or textile parts such as the seat pads or the door sides could be removed easily to change the color schemes and vary textures.

And, hilariously:
>The bumpers and body cladding were made from tough, dent-resistant materials.

>>57789220
>can't change the oil
>but you can change the colours of the seats

Modern mainstream computing summarised. Make this a driverless car as well and it becomes even more accurate.

>>57788747
>>57788700
this pretend "animation" is nothing compared to >>57787686

you are all just losers living in the past because you've failed in the present. if technology was left up to you lot, it'd just be a shitty virtual tundra full of tryhards trying to out-hipster each other and 99% of people would be banned because your shitty basement religion says so.

make the thread again once you've posted the same 5-10 amiga pics and had the same "A E S T H E T I C S" reply, it's quite literally your fate

>>57789413
>this pretend "animation" is nothing compared to

This is to the Amiga's credit.

Besides your challenge was that they would have done animated UIs if they could.
>"there is no 80s UI that had any kind of animation because there wasn't enough power at the time to do it. the shitty consumer hardware dictated what was made, not some precious religious design choice."
>>57788625

And your statement about choices being dictates by top-end hardware capabilities is false. Commadore developers chose the original blue colour scheme because it looked best on the worst television they could find, which they actively hunted for. Find a single modern developer with such a level of humility.

Also, you are yet to supply a single technological advantage to the modern approach. It's not as simple, it's not as powerful, it's not as fast, so what makes it worth defending?

The part of beauty behind old UIs is the efficiency in their programming. Doing equally same with less is charming.

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>7 JS files = 700kb
>1 HTML file, 2 CSS files, 17 images = 300kb
>"Help we're poor give us money."

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>>57789614
>the JS to do ... what is JS even used for on wikipedia? they're practically static pages... is notably larger than the entirety of elite II: frontier
wat

>>57790410
meant to quote >>57790165

>>57790410
>what is JS even used for on wikipedia?

Announcements to tell you about their high bandwidth.

More telling is that it's also over double the size of every other aspect of the page, including the images.

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>>57790410
It's a very depressing thing to do, look at the amount of JavaScript on a page.

This is the homepage of Gutenberg.

Frankly I expected better from them.

>>57790165
gopher://gopherpedia.com/0/White-winged%20fairywren
> <24kb plain text

THIS THREAD IS FULL OF CIA NIGGERS!

>>57790655
i wonder if there exists a userscript/addon/something that has a maintained filter/replacement list of JS/other elements that aren't really important
we have adblockers for ads, which is good, but general purpose stuff like noscript/umatrix/etc is all manual

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>>57789220
>that female drivers considered caps to be a major nuisance.
Why do we let them drive on fucking public roads if their minds are overwhelmed by the idea of a tank cap?

>>57788045
Here it is running entirely from RAM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH91CSpB9ZE

Why did we stop having the entire OS in RAM/ROM?

>>57790954
We didn't? LiveCDs, and small Linux distros. I used to run a laptop with a failed hard disk off Puppy just in RAM, with a tiny SD card for personal files.

>>57790954
it's pretty easy to set up any linux system to run from ram
just;
1. have initramfs copy the rootfs into a ramdisk (as files or more commonly as a squashfs image)
2. mount the squashfs image if you used one
3. mount your hdd/ssd as a writable overlay on top of that
4. boot the system from this ram + overlay mount

now your system running from ram, while changes are being redirected onto your disk, so there's no data loss risk from power failure as the data in ram is only read from

as you upgrade/change software, you'll want to generate a new squashfs image periodically

>>57791271
-- of course, doing this won't make your system boot fast, it may boot slower (depends on various factors, after the squashfs is in ram, things will be quick, but how long it takes to get it into ram depends on how big it is and how fast your disk is)
an actual os ROM has the advantage of simply "being there" when you turn the machine on, skipping the need to copy anything, so it's like being on a persistent ramdisk

>>57791271
>>57791087
I know there's ways to do it, I meant more in that it is designed in that way. Nowadays I'm sure you could throw up a well-made OS up from an SSD to RAM in no time at all.

>>57791358
Only Kickstart was on the ROM (sort of a BIOS+DOS equivalent). Workbench had to be loaded from hard disk or floppy.

>>57791408
>I'm sure you could throw up a well-made OS up from an SSD to RAM in no time at all.
for sure
squashfs images can be compressed, and is a single file, so copying it to the ramdisk is a /sequential/ operation, making it pretty fast to do even from a hdd

so lets say you had a full-fledged desktop system in a 5G squashfs image, it'd take less than a minute to copy it over on a modest 100MB/s sequential read speed hdd, and the rest of boot, as well as opening up any programs afterwards will all be reading from the ramdisk, so really quick
it could certainly be worth it in some cases

>>57791462
i see
i was referring to no ROM in particular, but one that had at least the entire base OS in it

i'm not very familiar with amiga and its os, how significant is kickstart?
if it's actually like just the bios+dos, and workbench is say "windows 95", then kickstart being on ROM would barely matter at all (ms-dos boots from a hdd in no time at all)

>>57791529
A well made OS wouldn't even be half as big as 5G. Haiku in its entirety is less than 300MB, and the "lite" Icaros install is just a bit over 300MB. And in both of those cases we have more than just the operating system and core system utilities.

>>57791671
it's really up to what programs are included in the image
my own desktop rootfs would probably compress to a bit over 5G, but it includes a few games and a media server database
it's just a hypothetical, there are plenty of variables

>>57791611
MSDOS boots from a hard in no time NOW. And when you think that ROM is, for all intents and purposes "instant," then anything more than that is a step down.

But my defence of ROM comes from security, in both senses of the word, where the OS can not be edited or changed at all, because the hardware that the chip is sat in doesn't have the capabilities to erase and re-flash the chip. Also security in that, even in the cases of a massive disk crash (less of an issue these days, I admit) you can still at least get on the computer to see what you can salvage.

I know live-sticks and live-CDs do the same, but having such capabilities built in appeals more to me than most other selling points of modern operating systems.

>>57791611
Not sure about the details.
Maybe the sizes will help you:
For 3.1 the Kickstart is about 500kb.
And the basic usable Workbench fit on a single floppy (non-high density so around 700kb). And some additional 2-4 floppies with drivers, fonts, utilities, the installer, etc. for the full system.

>>57791761
I think you could forbid overwriting OS segment by software.

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>>57787484
Best UI styles:

>Windows XP - 7
>Mac OS X Tiger - Mountain Lion
>Android JellyBean - Kitkat
>iOS 1-6

Everything else can fucking die in a fire.

>>57791782
hmm, so kickstart can't be too insignificant
to try to make a familiar comparison, perhaps it's like if say, the win95 kernel and system32 libraries are on ROM, while explorer and applications like notepad/paint/solitaire/etc are on floppy

>>57789614
>not as powerful
>not as fast

Use any modern hardware and there is no difference in speed. What do you even use your computer for besides shitposting?

>>57791761
>MSDOS boots from a hard in no time NOW.
i used MS-DOS myself a bit when it was relevant, arguably pretty late in its life, though
i suppose there is a grey area of what one would call "booted"
- just getting to a prompt with nothing added to config.sys/autoexec.bat?
- .. with EMS/XMS setup?
- .. perhaps also with a cdrom driver, mouse driver, soundcard driver, etc, etc?

>>57791782
>>57791908
actually, i wonder if kickstart works more like the linux kernel + initramfs
basically, /boot (which contains just the kernel, initramfs, and bootloader)

even now just loading the initramfs does get you a basic, usable system with a shell and boot-related tools available, but only the kernel is re-used going further into the boot process, initramfs is only to prepare the system for the real rootfs