/tpg/ - ThinkPad General

i just ripped apart my latitude c600. i got the screen off but there was only one port that connected with a ribbon. is that all there is supposed to be or did i destroy it?

These threads are useless. Hoarded by normies who ask dumb questions about 420 over and over again and no productive discussion whatsoever. Any decent interesting questions are ignored and nnoe actually knows shit. This message bulletin is even worse than consumer tech review webpage comments. Guh.
Sage in all fields.

>>57783672
This, T420 is one of the worst Thinkpads IMHO. The bulk and shitty screen combined with the lack of 4:3 or 3:2 ratio make it terrible for day to day use.

>>57783705
The only good thing in SandyBridge Thinkpads is longer Esc and Del keys. I don't know why didn't htey come up with this 10 years earlier.
Anything else is worse. Fucking keyboard bezels on x220, palmrest wobbling, shitty 16:9 screens, shitty power and volume buttons, Ethernet port on the right, single audio jack like who the fuck uses separate microphone in 2011, huh? Courage motherfucker.

>>57783757
The shitty screens is what ticks me off the most, my old T60p has a 1600x1200 IPS panel yet the far more "modern" T420 lacks any screen nearly as high resolution as this.
>inb4 *muh 1600x900*
16:9 is terrible and needs to be dropped.

>>57783757
What about the x201, is it better built? Would you prefer one over an x220?

>>57783864
I've got an x201, the screen is better due to the 16:10 ratio which makes it better for web browsing/productivity. I prefer mine due to the lack of a touchpad as I enjoy using the Trackpoint, The biggest con of the x201 is that the 1st gen i series processors run fairly hot and the fan is loud during intensive tasks.

>>57783864
I would prefer X200s.
More freedom.
Less heat.
Lower body is aesthetically pleasing.
Weighs less.

X60 and T60 were the peak of Thinkpad aesthetics industrial design, X300/301 and X200(s) - peak of functional design.
Everything after that is chink garbage.

>>57783620
copy from the old thread

guys, i have a problem with my new x230, whenever i put the laptop to sleep and wake it up the thinklight icon won't go away unless i turn it on-off, i'm under windows 7 and tried everything on the forums, even if the problem looks to appear more often on windows 10, reinstalled the video driver, reinstalled the osd driver, everything, someone can give me an advice?

>>57784041
Reinstall thinkpad pop-ups driver
Reinstall Windows
What else do you want to hear?

>>57784066
i did reinstall the osd drivers and no, i won't reinstall windows, this is a fresh instal and this is clearly a bug, you are telling me nothing

i was asking if there's anyone on this board based on thinkpads that had encountered this problem and solved it

Just to confirm, I flashed my X220T with the custom BIOS. That means I can use any WiFi card, correct? My WiFi card got fucked and I need to replace it.

What are the cheapest compatible 8gb ram sticks for the x220? I'm getting one in the mail and I already have an SSD. Gonna rice this bitch up just gotta order some ram.

>>57783899
But the x201 comes with a touchpad. Did you swap in a x200 palmrest on yours?

>>57783901
So if you had a near-mint condition x201, would you sell it off and get an x200 in its place?

>>57784156
ive been searching myself and it seems everything is almost always equally priced.

>>57783901
>More freedom.
Are you referring to the fact that the x200 can be librebooted (which apparently gets rid of the ME/AMT cancer) while the x201 still cannot?

>>57784181
Looks like it will end up costing me over 120aud before postage

>>57784168
Sure, I can get 2 of them.

>>57784218
What would you think a "freedom" could mean in a discussion on a software-related bbs?

>>57783757
Oh, I forgot. Fucking huge ugly hinges on 12 inch model, for no fucking reason. Also they are made from some cheap metal with chrome coating to look like titanium when they are not. At least the same hinges on x300 were painted glossy black and didn't stick out much.

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>>57784321

>>57783620
Dear /g/entelemen,
I had a dead x220 battery (or so I thought). Suddenly today a "battery firmware update" popped out, it flashed the battery, and now I got a spanking working battery! Neat.

Now I got a different problem. On 4337 dock it seems like my display keeps turning on and off for no reason (I suppose something might be overheating, but I won't investigate the issue while at work). Did somebody had a similar problem? The other monitor connected to usb 2.0 has no problems working, so I suppose this must be a dock/gpu thing.

t430 hd+/8gb/wwan in decent condition for 225 euros ok ? coming from t410 with the better screen, are the vieweing angles on the t430 the same shit as with mine?

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Hey everyone t60 fag here again.

Two questions: Can I run alpine on it and expect the drivers would be present after/while I install it? Or should I look for another distro?

And two, is it possible to upgrade a t60 to 4gigs of ram?

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Pretty excited, just got my x230. Can't wait to try and swap the keyboard when it comes in. On another note, what do y'all carry your thinkpads in? Looking for something(like a sleeve) that would fit my x230 with 9 cell pretty snug.

>>57785101
>what do y'all carry your thinkpads in?

my hand

fuck i bought a 2.5" ssd and it doesn't fit to hdd tray
https://ko.aliexpress.com/item/Second-SATA-Hard-Drive-Adapter-Bay-Caddy-Fit-For-LENOVO-Thinkpad-T420-T520-W520-VCN66-T10/32762355477.html?spm=2114.53010208.4.50.TkTnhb

will it gonna help?

>>57783705
>>57783757

Finally, some fucking sense in these threads. Preach it motherfuckers. T420 is shit.

>>57784924
You can install two 2GB sticks, but only up to 3GB will be visible due to chipset design limitations (the upper gigabyte of the address space is reserved for various hardware-related things).

>>57785116
In military and the issued backpack they give us scratched the shit out of my w520

>>57784238
You mean you could buy two x200 from the sale of an A-grade x201?

>>57785483
By "visible" I mean that while the BIOS should show all physical memory that's installed (i.e. 4096MB is such a case), the amount usable by the OS will be lower.

>>57785548
Oh fuck, well that's okay, right? Since 3gb runs fairly well stil..

Ordered an x220t off eBay this Sunday and they made a tracking thing and said it shipped but tracking still hasn't updated for it.

They said yesterday that they had dropped it off that day and the shipping would update that night, but it's still not losing wanting other than the label having been made.

Are they trying to chink me? When should I ask for a refund if it hasn't arrived yet?

Damnit, I have the choice between a x230 and a t430 both with 8gb of ram and a 180gb SSD.

Which one should I pick?

>>57785867
3GB is all that you'll ever have on a T60(p)/X60. There's no way around that. T61(p) officially support 4GB (and unofficially even 8GB with Middleton BIOS) but have ME/AMT on board.

at what point do you consider changing your machines/thinkpads ? after total failure ?

>>57783705
>>57783757
>>57783835
>>57785276
>dude contrarian lmao
Literally every one thinks the t420 is good. Every single reviewer,every critic, every comp sci professor, etc

Most of your concerns are just aesthetics like it being 'bulky' and the screen not being an IPS. If either of these were a concern for it's consumer base don't you think they would have changed it?

It's cheap, it's durable, it's powerful for it's price range and best of all it just werkz which is what you want in a laptop. If you want to watch chinese cartoons in upscaled 1080p for vibrant upskirts then watch it on a tv like a person who has bought equipment for that purpose would.

If you want to game then use your gaming pc or ps4. If you want to mine btc then load up those botnets. If you want to have a hassle free normie experience on a laptop then get a cheap thinkpad and enjoy a worry free experience

>>57786159
>If it's good, then why does it sell well?

Enjoy your Macbook Pro.

>>57786177
That's not my point at all and you know it.
It's not the bieber of laptops that people buy because it looks cool, it's the classic oldie that people will always listen to it because it's just plain good.

>>57786191
Lenevo has literally be fucking with everything that has made a Thinkpad a Thinkpad, and clearly it doesn't matter to their base because they're still selling the laptops and if it hurt them $$$ they would have changed it.

Am I in favor of those changes? Some of them. Others, not so much. I however have never been a fan of older style keyboards on laptops, and I don't need a screen to be HD, but not having the worst fucking viewing angles is useful when you're trying to show someone something.

As for the bulk, it's more or less equivalent to the t430/40/50/60 so that's not an issue for me.

And as for the idea of it being cheap, they weren't cheap when they were originally released, check out the original pricing and you'll find it's comparable to how it is today if not more.

(Also, just 4 ur information, if you want to trash weebs, upscaling to 1080p is not even remotely something difficult even for a trash old computer to do. It's that placebo 10-bit bullshit and the interpolation meme that do)

>>57786236
Nothing you're just said in that post has led me to believe you disagree with me.

My point was that at this current point in time a t420 is not a bad choice at all for a budget laptop that performs excellently when it comes to normie needs.

That's it.

(Also i'm a weeb as well but the point I was making was that you're meant to use different equipment for your speific needs which is why the t420 being bulky and not having a 1080p screen is a non issue)

>>57786269
Oh. Sorry anon, if you meant at this point in time then I more or less agree with you. I think the t430/x230 might be a better choice for most people but eh.

>>57785101
I use a Lenovo BP100 Backpack to carry my T420.

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so i just sent off in the mail and was bored when i got back, so i looked at ebay and typed in money

>

why don't you sell money for a living, /g/?
what kind of fucking retard would fall for this

also thinkpads

>>57786046
Sandy Bridge lives forever.

Also if X breaks I'll just buy a new X and replace the part.

>>57786519
Seems like a weird and inefficient money laundering scam.

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>>57785101
i picked up this bag for my x230t (also 9 cell), it's a targus brand without any targus logos. things fit pretty well, even with a dock attached. hard to figure out where to put the charger without causing a bulge though(because 9 cell). otherwise, holds a decent amount of (flat) accessories/documents, it's well made, and it looks like any other laptop bag. it also came with a shoulder strap. i enjoy it.

>>57785975
make records of what is going on so you dont become chinked my friend

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>>57783620
Should it be safe to use a x220 in a sauna?

>>57786837
Leave the laptop and just enjoy the sauna, dude.

Do you take your thinkpad to college?

Loading of my x201 battery comes quite normally to 59% then it climbs very, very slowly up to full. Is this some fault of charge reporting or is my battery fucked?

4:3 IS A MEME ASPECT RATIO IF YOU USE IT YOU SHOULD SELL YOUR COMPUTER AND GO WORK IN MCDONALDS SO YOU CAN AFFORD A REAL ASPECT RATIO

>>57786837
No. Get a genuinely rugged notebook like a Getac off Ebay.

>>57787311
Yeah, like 16:9

>>57786872
No my ThinkPad has to get its GED first because it dropped out of high school.

>>57784857
I will have to send a friend to pick it up, i'm not in the country. What exactly should I tell him to look for, other from if it's working ok

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/231604913787?ul_noapp=true

Is this gud?

I have two that I like, The T460 or the W530.

Which one is better though? I only have $500 to spend.

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What difference should I feel after upgrading from t410 to t430 ? I assume it will not heat up so much... I think both have 35w tdp.

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>>57789414
also, xsauc, sell me a laptop and send it to europe <3

>>57786191
It's not the classic oldie, it's a chink shit. Old thinkpads carried both aesthetics and ruggedness.

>>57789512
Your meme thinkpads don't even have proper spill protection. Look a t RZ8 and compare this. You spill a coffe on a thinkpad, it drains to bottom. Ooops, what's there? Yes, intake vents. It sucks coffe back in, fin.
RZ8 has drain holes on the sides and won't spill his spaghetti.

Can you buy cpu's and upgrade the thinkpad ?

Or is it a one time thing when you purchase the laptop itself?

>>57789560
>Ooops, what's there? Yes, intake vents.
Uh, the air moves so slow I don't think you're going to have to worry about levitating water.

>>57789792
Go to Intel website, if the CPU is BGA, the it can oly be soldered, if RPGA, then can be removed from the socket

>>57790815
Yes, you can. Now go back to /b/, retard.

Got some stupid parts questions:

Can I put a x201T's screen in a x201? And are parts generally interchangeable between the x201 and x201T?

>>57790870
If digitizer is not glued and it is the same lcd panel, then yes

>>57790870
Not caring about the touchscreen features, btw.

>tfw hands are slightly too small to pause my music with Fn+Down with one hand

Thinkpad 13 $580
Acer Laptop Aspire E 15 E5-574G-54Y2 $400
HP 15-ay013nr 15.6 $430


I wanna know which one would benifit me the most thanks bros.

>>57784218
>>57783901

Correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't x200s unable to deactivate intel me?

>>57791206
Normie-normie, go away.
Read the wiki first, then say.

>>57784161
Mine came used without a touchpad, previous owner must've done it.

>>57791245

I've read the libreboot wiki.

There is this thing:

https://libreboot.org/docs/install/x200_external.html#gpio33

That, makes me think you can install libreboot, but ME will remain activated. I don't know how will it manage without the signed firmware.

>>57791245
>>57791451

I actually read that again, and what i summarize is that you cannot write the bios rom, and therefore you can't install libreboot on a x200s or x200t

How can I make my t430s great again?

16:9, 8gb, 120gb ssd, 10/10 condition

Not complaining since it runs like a fox, but maybe there's something...

Also where can I cop authentic batteries for this fucker?

>>57791451
They describe a software fashing through os in this paragraph. Of course it doesn't work.
You solder up to bios chip pins directly with wires and flash it over SPI. That's it. Or you can change the flat chip with SOIC for easy clamping.

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It's here. I'm not sure why USPS ran over it before they gave it to me, but it's here

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>>57791702

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where is the 4:3 hate coming from? what sort of deep-seeded insecurities are such an embarrassing belief rooted in?

>>57791756
It is cheaper to make wide displays

>>57791595

That works once you have installed Libreboot in the first place? Or can you do that with lenovoBIOS right away?

Is 230€ a good price for a refurbished 420 in B condition with warranty in my area? I live in Portugal not many thinkpads

>>57791756
their grapes went sour.

>>57785171
>https://ko.aliexpress.com/item/Second-SATA-Hard-Drive-Adapter-Bay-Caddy-Fit-For-LENOVO-Thinkpad-T420-T520-W520-VCN66-T10/32762355477.html?spm=2114.53010208.4.50.TkTnhb
yes

>>57792255
I'd say it's fine. I bought my X220 for 250 euro and previously I only found on OLX one for 350.

$300 worth it for a mint t530 with an i5-3320 and 8 GB RAM?

>>57792822
Forgot to mention 500 gb hdd

W500 is coming in the mail, I know I should get 2x4GB RAM but what is a good CPU for it? It has a T9400, would a T9900 be good for it or would it overheat since it's the most powerful CPU for it?

What's the realistic differences between a T410 and T420 or T430 (besides the keyboard)? I know the different generations of processors, but I am talking about realistic differences in use/performance in heavy web browsing usage, office programs, etc.

>>57785171
hi kim

>>57792822
>>57792836
if it's actually mint i would pay $300, but i'm sure other here would disagree

>>57792894
T430 is more powerful and energy efficient

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So I know we're all shitting on the 420s right now for some reason but I just got 3 used ones for $50 (all together) from my uncle because his company got new ones.

Did I do good?

>>57792894
For mundane things there will be no meaningfully difference. Moderate increase in battery life going to the 420. The superior display on the 410 makes a much bigger difference.

>>57791766
No, it's just cheaper to make smaller ones, and you can more easily scam consumers who look at diagonal ratios by cutting the height.

>>57793192
Exactly.

>>57793151
Sell them for $400 each and buy something useful.

>>57793151
Of course you did, even if they don't work.

I'd ask if you'd be interested in selling one, but I ain't about to send money to some guy from a underwater sheep sheering cartoon message board.

>>57791756
Widescreens are better for most popular uses. I prefer 16:10 over 4:3.

>>57792894
from the t410 to the t430 i'd say it's noticeable
from the t420 to the t430 fucking nothing unless you want to gayme with the igpu

>>57793160
>The superior display on the 410 makes a much bigger difference.
Superior display?

>>57793393
140 pixels higher.
Glorious.

Whats the best thinkpad with:
-15 inch 1600x900
-lots of ports
-i5
-storage and drive upgradeability
-good battery life

i can go up to 800 with ssds and accessories
any recommendations? i'll need it for a sysadmin jeb

>>57793471
T60

>replace win7 with winXP 64 on my thinkpad to mess around a bit
>realise the only winXP audio drivers are 32bit
>manually install the vista 64bit drivers
>doesnt work
hmmmm what should i do
anyone know "soundMax" ? they dont seem to have an official website

>>57793471
Try P50

>>57793552
Install gentoo
Install paex patch for win xp and try again

>>57793487
T60 was never made with such a bad resolution

>>57793552
>hmmmm what should i do
You should reinstall Windows 7

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Whats /g/'s opinion of the X131e or the other educational aimed Thinkpads? They are always going cheap when schools get rid of them. Worth a shot?

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>>57793564
im not a big gentoo enthusiast and will probably end up making a dualboot with some lightweight ubuntu variant
whats paex patch?
also know how to purge all the vista garbage i installed? device drivers let me uninstall the main audio driver but i have some other stuff now in "sound"

>>57793647
Did you try to install Thinkpad Centre or whatever it is called?

>>57793582
>>57793487
>>57793554
it was an at least 1600x900
used thinkpads with 15 inch and something more than an i5 are pretty pricey here thats why i was asking

>>57793617
this thinkpad is a bit old
i dont want to spend 3 hours removing bloat and installing botnet updates on a operating system that will make this PC way too slow for my liking
>>57793706
i did try that
brought up some error even tho i specifically downloaded the XP version
XP 64bit support seems to be pretty awful for the R-series

Where can I get replacement batteries for a 410/420 the cheapest?

>>57793554
why does a sysadmin need a relatively strong dedicated GPU? that's the main distinguishing feature of the P (or W) series.

>>57793752
Buy 18650 cells at local radio hobby store.
Remove old ones.
Solder new and refresh the controller by shortening two pins.

>>57793800
Why don't he pick up x230 and be okay with it?

My X201 piece of shit keeps heating up to 100c and powering off. I wanted to apply thermal paste but it seems like it's a fucking battle to unscrew and take apart all this crap.

On the other hand, none of the other laptops on the market look interesting to me... should I just buy another X201? I was considering X220 but not sure if the advantages they provide (better screen and more RAM) make up for being bigger

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So I got my hands on a T430 with the standard i5-3320m and I've noticed Speccy is showing the processor temperature on idle at 60-70C. It goes up to about 92C after 2.5 loops of the x264 v2 benchmark. That seems pretty hot to me. Can anyone advise?

Laptop came with a fresh install of Windows 7 with minimal extra stuff. Does have avast antivirus running. I'll be putting a Linux distro on it when I have time.

>>57793830
Indeed

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Is the one I have selected good enough for ableton live ? I'm going to be using it heavily.

>>57793915
blow cheeto dust out of fan, apply new thermal paste

>>57793393
>>57793425
Not true. T410 max res is 1440x900.

>>57794429
Well, 138

>>57784509
>Suddenly today a "battery firmware update" popped out
How? The botnet somehow figured out you had a soft-broken battery or what?

>>57791595
>You solder up to bios chip pins directly with wires and flash it over SPI. That's it. Or you can change the flat chip with SOIC for easy clamping.

So, unless you're a leet hardware hacker, the x200 is just as much botnet as the x201, because hardly anyone will try to do what you described.

>>57794473

Posting from a T430 with 1600x900 screen, what are you talking about "more"? T410's screen has fewer pixels. Better aspect ratio, but fewer pixels.

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>>57795007
X200s
All """hacking""" in X200 case is: unscrew palmrest and keyboard, remove them, put a lip on the chip, press "hack the biozzz" button
Gee, how hard!

>>57795078
>put a lip on the chip, press "hack the biozzz" button

Sure, it's just that simple, everyone has all the stuff in the picture sitting right in their closet and just waiting to be used.

Besides, I presume that this procedure, even if whoever performs it knows what he's doing, bears a significantly higher risk of failure than a regular firmware flash.

>>57795078
This explains nothing at all. You need to have some specific hardware, cables etc. and you need to prepare it in a specific way, and then you need to follow certain steps very carefully. Nothing of which was even barely mentioned in your post.

>>57795208
It was not mentioned, because I assume you have read the libreboot guide page. It is not really difficult and if you fuck up, you can always reflash original bios image.
The tools are pretty cheap (1 dollar clip and $10-40 for sbc with GPIO).

>>57793914
Bump.

Of the three
>x200
>x201
>x220
which are the most significant pros and cons in a comparison at this point in time, and which one is generally the most and the least recommended to get of the three?

>>57795263
Are there any prospects that a similar procedure will be doable on an x201 in the foreseeable future? Or is it better to get rid of a x201 and get a x200 instead?

>>57795290
Seconded, it would be great if someone familiar with all three could do a quick rundown of how they compare from today's perspective.

>>57795290
x220 has the best processor
x200 can have a sick 1440x900 ips display (i think?) + comes default without a trackpad
x201 i don't know much about, but you can put an x200 palm rest on it i guess

>>57793747
>XP 64bit support seems to be pretty awful for the R-series
From what I know 64-bit XP support was pretty aweful in general, that's why this variant of the OS never really took off.

My SSD for my X220 came in
W7 or W10?
inb4 GNU-linux

>>57795394
w7 for win95 theme and no big sister

>>57795370
x200 has only 1440x900 TN with LED backlight
>>57795351
There ave been some links posted in previous threads. One guy have managed to remove ME partition from bios image with a script and it worked on Sandy and Ivy Bridge.

I've got an X200T and an Ultrabase. Can I stick an HDD on the Ultrabay?

>>57795394
Lunix For CDE theme and maximum aesthetics.

>>57795417
Ues, but the Ultrabay sould be slim, so the drive and caddy should be not thicker than 9mm

>>57795449
Good to know, thanks! The drive I want is one of the 7mm models, so it'll be fine.

I was thinking of buying a X220 to have an mSATA SSD and HDD at the same time, so that saves me some money.

>>57795408
But x201 isn't Sandy or Ivy Bridge, it's Arrandale (mobile version of Westmere which itself is a die shrink of Nehalem, the 1st generation Core i).

posting from /fglt/
i'm having some audio issues on my x61 tablet running debian
the audio defaults to muted and i have to go into alsamixer to change that every time i restart the machine. also the mute key on the keyboard doesn't toggle mute - if i ever press it i have to go back into alsamixer and unmute from there
is there any way to permanently change the settings so it doesn't default to mute and so the key will toggle mute?
i haven't been able to find anything that fixed my issues

What is the correct order of installing drivers on a Thinkpad? Is this ok?

>chipset
>power management
>storage
>video
>audio
>ethernet
>wifi
>bluetooth
>modem (if present)
>trackpoint
>ultranav
>hotkey integration
>security (tpm, fingerprint reader, me botnet (if someone wants to actually install the drivers for it))
>power manager

>>57786811
If I saw you around, I'd be afraid of you

>>57796012
>wifi driver
>.net 4.0
>let thinkvantage system update take the wheel

>>57796012
>network
>windows update
>anything windows update doesnt get in any order

>>57796091
>thinkvantage system update

Isn't that just bloat that is best avoided? Also does it give a choice of what to install and what not (you might want to skip the me botnet driver)?

Anyway are the drivers on Lenovo's website the actual latest, or just those that they have tested? How about updating video/audio/network etc. drivers, do you instal newer versions (downloaded from the manufacturer of the device in question) than provided on the Lenovo site? Or will the bloat suggested by >>57796091 always install latest?

>>57796175
You put the botnet driver in the first place on your list

>>57796190
>installing the botnet driver

>>57796175
>Isn't that just bloat that is best avoided?
No, it's a really useful tool. Doesn't install anything if you don't want it. You get a full list of available drivers and software for your machine and you pick and choose which you want it to install, then let it do its thing and you'll have a fully-functional system much faster than doing it manually.

The drivers Lenovo ships are usually up to date I think, but in the case of Nvidia drivers for dGPU models, you'll be much better off with the new feature drivers from Nvidia than the enterprise drivers that Lenovo ships.

>>57791756
Contrarianism. I feel like 3:2 is better though.

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New meme ahoy

>>57796401
>blue led

>>57796418
?

>>57796401
>non solved or patterned rubik's cube

>>57796506
I just got it and don't know what I'm doing, I've never had one :(

>>57796532
Don't bother trying to solve it by yourself. A YouTube video is all you need

>>57784150
If no whitelist BIOS, yes.

>>57796401
>swiss army knife

>>57796606
>bottle opener/corkscrew

>>57796401
are you left handed?

>>57793914
U download Lenovo manual? They are very good.

My dad need to replace his XP laptop with something. All he uses it for is iTunes, and he wants to get something cheap and will last him for a very long time before needing an upgrade. Will a T400 work, or should i convince him to get a T420/T430?

I can get a X230 with 8GB/180GB SSD for $135, but it has a couple of white spots in the bottom left corner. should I do it?

Time sensitive, guys.

>>57793624
I have one. The left hinge is secured into plastic (right hinge has a metal plate), and broke inside after 2 years.

Other than that, it's been good to me. Probably replacing my battery soon, though.

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>>57796963
>>57793624
I work in a school district IT department and we deployed these. They are fucking trash. Avoid them like the plague.

>keys pop off very quickly
>slow as fuck
>trackpad is god awful
>screen is way too small
>absolutely no indicator LEDs except the power indicator on the fucking top of the LID
>heavy as fuck compared to the x220/x230 for no reason

No idea how this managed to make it into production phase.

>>57796963
>>57797003
>>57793624
Oh I forgot to mention

>AMD E-series

>>57783620
>>>57785101
>i picked up this bag for my x230t (also 9 cell), it's a targus brand without any targus logos. things fit pretty well, even with a dock attached. hard to figure out where to put the charger without causing a bulge though(because 9 cell). otherwise, holds a decent amount of (flat) accessories/documents, it's well made, and it looks like any other laptop bag. it also came with a shoulder strap. i enjoy it.
Where is a 9 cell for the x230t?

>>57796816
You can replace the screen for like 50 bucks but why is it such an odd storage size? Sounds like the SSD is not a new one, which in that case, don't bother, just get a unit with a good screen but no battery/hdd or something and just add your own parts. I got an X220 with no battery or HDD for $42 on auction and bought a 250GB 850 EVO and a slightly used 9 cell and it totaled up to $175.

Hi guys, new to thinkpads. How would one of these bad boys make for a salsa container?

>>57796645
Yes sir

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>>57797158
...what?

>>57783620
Hey, /g/. I installed >windows 10 for my parents' X220, but when I set processor power levels, it doesn't seem to want to scale at all. Am I doing something wrong? Like let's say I set for battery, a maximum processor state of 50% (1196mhz) and a minimum of 20% (800mhz). Instead of scaling between the two values, it just locks at 1196 and won't go down any further. Pls help me.

OK guys, what are some good cheap used laptops that aren't a meme?

>>57798300
Thinkpads

My new thinkpad came in the mail today.
I've been rocking an old E520(not the greatest I know) for about six years now.
I got a great black friday deal for a new T460 and goddamn. I haven't been this excited in a long time. It's so much lighter,smaller, and has a better screen and battery life.

>today has been a good day

>>57798300
2016 Macbook Air

>>57798300
X200s, you can find new.

I Have something to ask before i upgrade cpu
some idiot said t420 cpu has soldered if sub of hq cpu
is this bullshit?


if not what cpu is ideal cpu for t420?
2720qm?

>>57795037
how are the viewing angles ? Hopefully i will buy a t430 to replace my t410 soon (hd+), but the viewing angles on the old one always bothered me somehow.

>>57799033
T420s has soldered cpu, it is the same die as socketed one, but with bga bottom. Check the model once again.

>>57799147
confirmed it's t420 with 2520m cpu
i'm worry about mainboard will support 2720qm
upgrade ram 12gb (8+4) other is stock

Anybody have any experience on the smaller sized new clones of X40 batteries?

I have a couple of the extended pack ones coming but I want one or two of the small ones too.

Thanks.

>>57793915
>>57794111

Yeah, that's what I thought. Gonna take it apart over the weekend. What would be some good idle and load temperatures for the t430?

>>57796190
I suppose you're referring to >>57796012 - how can the Intel chipset installation package be botnet if it's mostly just .inf files that provide correct device name strings and configuration information for other drivers?

>>57799799
AMT driver is the only part of "chipset driver"

>>57799033
maybe with turbo boost turned off
stick with dualcores if you like to put your system under load/care about battery
and disable HT on those too

>>57799815
Interesting, because from what I know the "chipset driver" consists basically only of .cat and .inf files. The Intel chipset installation utility existed way before ME or AMT were even a thing. After installing it the AMT-related devices such as "PCI Simple Communications Controller" and "PCI Serial Port" still have these generic names and yellow question marks in device manager.

Do you have any source for your claims?

>>57786009
X230

What exactly is the "cycle count" of a battery and what increases it? It appears to be something different from the wear level (which simply is the ratio of designed full capacity and last fully charged capacity).

>>57800005
empty/full charging cycle afaik

>>57799943
>chickletfag

>>57800163
>not liking DFC

>>>/reddit/

Anyone have experience with Solus? It looks fairly interesting, but I'm not sure if it'll run well on a T420.

For sake of not creating another thread, i will post here. I have a normal generic laptop for quite sometime. I just oticed today, that if you turn the screen off (in my case, fn+f6), and look at it from above with strong light, you can see the screen still being rendered, just without a backlight, so it is nearly invisible. Is it normal?

>>57800170
>chinkpad advocate
you have to go back

>>57800320
>nostalgia warrior

fuck off, grandpa

>>57799934
>consists basically
>basically
is this the same as "only?"

>>57800197
Yes, it just turn off the backlight

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>>57800329
>nostalgia
There's nothing nostalgic about needing a decent keyboard.

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Also all chinkpads can be assumed to have botnet of some kind, whether manchurian microchips or management engine, or both.

>>57800383
>implying the chiclet is not superior

you are still using that bulky keyboard just because of nostalgia

>>57800396
do you know how to access via AMT on linux? I know you could using this https://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/manageability-developer-tool-kit on windows.

>>57800449
>bulky
>muh thin meme
Really I'm not a chink or poo manlet so lifting a laptop that's a whole inch thick isn't a big deal for me, especially if it means having a halfway decent keyboard on the thing.

Never mind that the new keyboards are simply cheaper, even the thinness argument's a red herring. Typical chinkshit.

>>57800494
The concern is that Intel and the US Government, at the VERY least, can access it too with the proper keys, even if it looks like it's been turned off to the machine's "owner."

Thank you my Intel poo in loo friend for the advice though.

>>57800498
thin is present and future now, grandpa. keep up with the time and there is nothing wrong with chiclet keyboards.

wait a sec, don't tell me you got triggered by everything thin because you are fat faggot?

>>57800449
Because brainwashed (or brainless?) sheep like (you) technology has been in a steady decline since a decade or so. Manufacturer cunts keep cutting costs and laugh at idiots who not only become fond of garbage, but with time start attacking the objectively better options that used to be available.

>>57800506
I want to give my botnet thinkpad to my sister and use it to spy her, that is why I am asking you this.

>>57800517
>technology has been in a steady decline

oh, i am laffin.

>materials getting cheaper
>somehow it means the manufacturers are cutting corners

get your tinfoil hat off, grandpa.

>>57800509
>keep up with the time
you are a poo or chink, I love this

I'm simply saying that if I need to choose between a speed increase that's frankly of dubious utility to me (I'm not into gaymen) because I don't want the botnet and shit keyboard that comes with it, I'm going to choose the laptop with the good keyboard and which has no botnet every time.

What triggers me is this robotic, moronic idea that progress means every computer looking like a clone of a Mac, right down to the SHIT chicklet keyboard. That isn't progress.

The legacy of IBM is truly dead in modern-day Lenovo.

>>57800329
>>57800449
>>57800509
>>57800526
This place is not for people who are underage. Please leave now.

>>57800520
If you set up the management console correctly you can use the built in camera (if it has one) and sniff the keyboard and everything.

>>57800531
>you are a poo or chink
>projecting

get in the loo, grandpa

>trying to justify his nostalgia by telling people technology is declining
>hating progress by grasping at muh kibor and muh botnet meme


>he really thinks perfection is not singular
>he thinks progress toward perfection is bad
gee, grandpa, are you one of those libtard faggots?

>>57800566
any pointer to what should I type into google? or do you want to spoonfeed me?

>>57800396
>>57800506

https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uberwall.org%2Fbin%2Fdownload%2Fdownload%2F102%2Flacon12_intel_amt.pdf

I wouldn't be surprised if by now this is routinely used at airports and other places to freely snoop on people's computers without them taking any notice whatsoever (and, most importantly, without them having any kind of chance of ever noticing by any means at all).

>>57800573
>perfection
You mean, do whatever Apple does but half-ass it like Lenovo's been doing for years and years...

>>57800586
https://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/intel-active-management-technology-downloads/

http://www.meshcommander.com/meshcommander is the web interface

>>57800590
new thinkpads are doing fine. slimmer, lighter, more powerful, longer battery life, better screen, better keyboards, what are you complaining at, grandpa?

>>57800587
>inb4 they actually put this in all of their processors and not just in the vPros(tm)

>>57800606
Thanks m8, I'll look into them

>>57800587
>I wouldn't be surprised if by now this is routinely used at airports and other places to freely snoop on people's computers without them taking any notice whatsoever (and, most importantly, without them having any kind of chance of ever noticing by any means at all).

Good point but why limit it to airports?

I get that it's really clever and shit, and can be useful for the national security, but they really should have a way to disable that shit for US persons.

>>57800614
>better screen, better keyboards
both these are just flat out lies

lol

plus the intel AND the chinese hardware backdoors

>>57800641
>l-lies!
not an argument

>lol
>>>/reddit/

>chinese hardware backdoors
>implying you are currently not using chinese everything
>implying you are not using an Intel processor RIGHT NOW
that is a moot point, grandpa

I've been using a x200 librebooted gentoo machine for a few years now.

Should I try something else or get a 2nd one as my home laptop. Would I be disappointed in the newer thinkpads ( never used them ).

I'm too lazy to manage carrying one around, I like to leave my thinkpad in my bag ready to go and not screw with it while I'm actually home. Yes I am that lazy when it comes to taking things out of a bag and screwing with the cables. Then taking that time to put everything back. I only like to do that on the go.

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>>57800658
Fuck China, I'm using 100% USA / Jap technology ATM...

>>57800677
you don't really believe those are not made in china right?

>>57800632
Nobody knows what ME/AMT really does, not even the OEM board firmware developers. They receive a back box blob from Intel and integrate it, that's all. It's bound to be reverse-engineered someday, and then all hell is going to break loose as random noggers gain the ability to take advantage of whatever sits there.

>>57800641
Stop feeding the idiot, just ignore. You can clearly see that it is not a person to lead discussion with.

>>57800686
The processor was made by IBM in the USA and the computer was made by Fujitsu in Japan.

>>57800750
>Nobody knows what ME/AMT really does, not even the OEM board firmware developers.
Yeah I should have suspected this, of course. Probably each piece of functionality is developed by some separate team and the various bits are assembled into the blob by the NSA or some shit.

>It's bound to be reverse-engineered someday, and then all hell is going to break loose as random noggers gain the ability to take advantage of whatever sits there.
This is the fucking thing of it. Such a prize - secret entry into every modern computer - is so precious that a state or even highly motivated private actor's incentives for breaking this tech are infinite.

It reminds me of the magic chip from Sneakers, but it's actually real.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coDtzN6bXAM

Don't all modern Intel CPUs have ME/AMT?

>>57800823
Yes, perhaps excepting their SBC thing they sell but it wouldn't surprise me if even that has some cancer or another inside it.

>>57796401
isnt that windows 7?
What happened to linux?

>>57800823
In the context of this thread the main problem is that Thinkpads in particular have been subject to this since almost a decade now (since the T61(p)/X61 models that came in 2007) and only very few models could have ME disabled until now (the x200 and since recently supposedly also some Sandy Bridge/Ivy Bridge models).

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>>57800517
>Manufacturer cunts keep cutting costs and laugh at idiots who not only become fond of garbage, but with time start attacking the objectively better options that used to be available.

That's just it,the whole industry race to the bottom has finally hit rock bottom, with a wealth of 'meh' tier laptops, probably many thousands on current offer, but very few that stand out of the crowd. None have decent keyboards - NONE - except asinine gaymen rigs that are clearly not optimized for portable use, but are this century's luggables.

I've often thought that there's a market for a nice computer with a kick-ass screen, a proper keyboard, and spill protection, with battery life optimized over speed. Throw on some real serial ports, etc, and you'd have a winner.

If you made it an ARM machine it could run for days on a typical modern laptop battery but my dream is a computer that runs on AAs like the old Gateway Handbook. Build in Ni-MH charging and you'd never have to worry about finding and buying unobtanium laptop batteries again.

>>57800833
>>57800887
I'm not in the know about this whole thing, so please bear with me here. I'm particularly concerned about this
>>57800566
>>57800606
So, let's assume I buy a ThinkPad with a fairly recent Intel CPU. Does that mean anyone can hack me now, or is some tempering with the laptop required, or can only 3 letter agencies really do it? I'm confused.

1) Which Thinkpads are made entirely in Japan?

2) Are there any Thinkpads with no Nvidia and Intel onboard?

>>57800962
>So, let's assume I buy a ThinkPad with a fairly recent Intel CPU. Does that mean anyone can hack me now, or is some tempering with the laptop required, or can only 3 letter agencies really do it? I'm confused.
Well theoretically only TLAs and (perhaps) Intel can do it, but more practically, anybody who were to obtain the proper keys could do it too.

As I said above any state-level actor and probably other groups or individuals would also lust over a magic backdoor that lets you see, copy, or plant anything you like on any modern PC.

>>57800962
>Does that mean anyone can hack me now

No, not anyone. But you have to assume that your computer is subject to be compromised by unknown parties who have the means (be it possession of the necessary cryptographic keys, specific non-public knowledge, or something else) to make use of the backdoor mechanisms embedded in the hardware in question.

>>57800811
Holy fuck, you really believe it.

What's a "good deal" nowadays for a X220 / T420 ?

>>57801695
i paid 140 for my x220. people here will talk shit but its in great condition.

better than my 1.60 celeron asus i bought new last year on black friday for $150.

>>57801695
Thanks, that's the kind of prices I'm looking out for. The Used Thinkpad Buyer Guide is too old to be of any use I feel.

>>57801733
>>57801755
replied to myself instead to you.

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>>57801755
price is objective. the guide is only good for a quick summary of the models.

look up some videos on different models and then decide from there what you want.

if you go to ebay just watch out. alot of sellers display the nicest computer they had but then will ship you one that looks like a lion chewed on it.

"New message from: itevolutionllc-8 (37Yellow Star)
We have been selling a lot of these computers and we are just getting into the ones with scratches on them but most of them are kind of nice but they might have some signs of wear. The one on the picture was one of the best ones for display. "

he took the listing down a hour later.

Can an X230 drive a 1440p monitor properly? What's the best way to hook it up? With a mini Displayport to Displayport cable or just sticking to VGA?

decided buy 2620M because too pussy to going quadcore

http://www.ebay.com/itm/INTEL-I7-2620M-2-7-3-4G-Socket-G2-rPGA988B-CPU-FF8062700838809-/262451579488?var=&hash=item3d1b554a60:m:mW9e6FqFtVAO-XdsqXPelHw

>>57802835
are there quadcores for thinkpads ? or jsut the workstations

Where's the best place to buy genuine batteries for the X230? I bought a refurbed X230 but I'm still getting like 1 hour estimate on the battery

Newegg has x201's on sale:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834321571&ignorebbr=1

>>57785975
ebay should automatically upload their tracking information, right when they print the label...
Unless they went with another carrier, and didn't update tracking online, then it might be somewhere.
I'd message them where it is at and then wait 5 days. If they don't have tracking uploaded, essentially you will get refunded fairly quickly.

>>57786519
Had a customer who came back twice buying our netbooks for gaming websites. He was telling me he bought $2000 in target gift cards thru ebay because they were 10% off
He then bought eBay gift cards via Target, he didn't think it was the best deal but I was surprised it worked.

>>57789267
it would really really be helpful if you had specs for these.
You're like buying an 80's Chevy Camaro to race with and then you find out you got the 4 cylinder iron duke block lol

>>57789792
You can't upgrade on X-Series, Yogas, or any 's' suffix ThinkPad.
I have no idea on the E and L but I wouldn't recommend them, and if you bought one and found out you couldn't upgrade I hope you spent a lot of money on it.

>>57791193
>Make it as cheaply possible Acer
>We got brand recognition, shitty specs and shit tier cooling HP
>Entry model business class ThinkPad

I'd think the Acer would def benefit you the most after you will figure out how the hell to fix the damn thing after a year.

FYI, we buy off lease computers for a reason, because most of the companies selling them want to make a buck and the companies who threw them away, already got their deductible.
Have fun when the warranty expires on the HP and Acer.

>>57791756
Probably from people who bought IBM because they heard they were better than Lenovos but never thought about how dated they are.

>>57792822
If it is mint yea
would be nice if it had a novidia chip, you only have two RAM slots though.

>>57793624
They are thicker and heavier than an X230
>get one with at least a 1.6Ghz processor, some came with i3
>they support mSATA SSDs
>that rubber bumper

>>57785975
thats crazy. i ordered my x220 last friday and got it on monday, delivered by a regular postman.

maybe whoever you bought it from didnt even ship it yet.

Noob question coming through. On T420 bios I can't find secure boot to disable it. I heard it should be disabled in order to install Linux. What's up with that?

Bought a used T420 and I'm trying to transfer some files to it from my PC by connecting it to the same router with an ethernet cable. Problem is, I'm getting awful speeds, less than 1MBps, when the same file with the same equipment setup transfers 15MBps to my other laptop. What could it be and can it be fixed?

Can an x201 run this easily with a dock?
https://m.newegg.com/Product/Details?itemnumber=N82E16824025094

>>57804539
clean out your ethernet port?

>>57804611
What do you mean, physically? It's clean already.

ayo
it's the faggot with the bin found t40
i'm looking at a new battery and among other things i found 4400mah, 6600mah ones for 20-30$
but then i see there are 9cell ones 7200mah for about 250$

what gives?
also startx borked itself, need new distro

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Hi guys, i want install coreboot on my x230, whit this shit
http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-Programmer-CH341A-Series-Burner-Chip-24-EEPROM-BIOS-Writer-25-SPI-Flash-NEW-/191674211030?hash=item2ca0ac5ad6:g:p8wAAOSw3ydVkT51

it's will work? ty

>>57805000
Bump.

Going to buy a T460 to replace the T420 I punched a couple of months ago. I have heard there is a lottery with the 1920x1080 display, is the Innolux monitor bad enough that I should be worried?

Should I get a x220, x220t, x230, or x230t? The tablet function would be awesome for drawing and shit, but at the same time I have a nice external drawing tablet that I'm sure feels better to draw on anyway. I'm also skeptical of the single hinge on the tablet models.
But at the same time, I've read that all the tablet models have an IPS display, which would make searching for one easier.

Then when it comes to the 220 vs 230, the 220 keyboard looks better, but realistically I'll be able to adjust either way. If the 230 is a decent bit less hot than the 220 though, then the trade-off might be worth it.

Help me out /g/, gonna be my first thinkpad and I wanna make sure I get the right one.

>>57805000
Shitboot doesn't work with x230.
Also kill yourself, tinfoil idiot.

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>>57805262
Ayy

>>57805000
Bump.

>>57799033
2720qm is perfect if you want a massive multicore performance boost without housefire temps, otherwise stay with the stock CPU. Keep in mind that singlecore performance will stay the same as the 2520m.

Works fine as is, no need to disable HT or Turbo Boost.

t. T420 2720qm user

>>57805247
x220 base or the tabet. got mine monday and i dont regret it. but i dont regret anything so....

These are the specs I've picked on the hp website:
Windows 10 Home 64 Intel® Core™ i7-6700HQ (2.6 GHz, up to 3.5 GHz, 6 MB cache, 4 cores) + NVIDIA)® GeForce® GTX 960M (4GB GDDR5 dedicated) 12GB DDR4-2133 SDRAM (1 x 4GB, 1 x 8GB) 15.6" diagonal FHD IPS UWVA anti-glare WLED-backlit (1920 x 1080) 256GB PCIe® NVMe™ M.2 SSD Office Software Trial Security Software Trial 3-cell 61.5 WHr Lithium-ion Battery No DVD or CD Drive Full-size island-style backlit keyboard (silver) HP Wide Vision HD Webcam with Dual Digital Microphone (Natural Silver) Intel® 802.11ac (2x2) Wi-Fi® and Bluetooth® 4.2 Combo
They have an option for (3840x2160), is that worth it ? Also I've heard some biased things about hp laptops but if this is really good I'll buy it.


I don't know where else to post this so I'll try here first.

>>57783620
Im picking up a T420 with an i7 and 8gb RAM, also with a docking station for $200

yes its 1600x900

howd i do /g/

is it possible to install a quad core in the t430 ?

>>57806459
Yes

>>57806085
I wanna add that the windows 10 is free and is the only option available, can I just put windows 7 on a USB and change it ? Is that possible?

Any decent T420 9 cells? don't mind if there 3rd party the Lenovo ones out there are just seem abit steep

>>57806988
>windows 10 is free
Post the source code

>>57805262
Maybe he just wants to unlock his bios to remove the whitelist? And people have unlocked bios on the x230, its just harder because you have to solder a new chip (or hack the old one).

Wanting to buy an x260, it came to around £900 on the Lenovo website after customised hardware options. Is there anywhere that offers finance options? cant really drop £900 in one go atm

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My memepad came in the mail today, what's the first thing I should do with it?

>>57808067
check that AMT and computrace is disabled

otherwise install core-/libreboot

>>57808155
and get rid of winblows

>>57803665
I have gone in to a brick and mortar to buy steam gift cards (they were 10% off) to spend during the summer sale.

do i need to fit some special conditions for msata ssd for x220?

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OK, serious issue here.
Im getting stuck at pic related on a x220 I just picked up, and I'm not sure what to do.

Just ordered 1600x900 display for my T420 gf. Feels good.

Reminder that fellow /lonely/ /g/entoomen are free to join our little botnet club

https://discord.gg/B26NNqb

:3333

>>57808857
Way more room for activities anon. Did you get the standard panel or are you trying the Alienware etc. ones?

Is the Innolux display on T460s awful? I seem to find mixed messages about it.

>>57800177
runs pretty well on my x220. repo is pretty sparse but it's got the crap i use. would recommend for casual use

>>57809346
I don't want to search for glossy alienware panel, so I'm going for Innolux.

http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=119905

wmlive is a very Thinkpad-centric distro. It's light and fast.

thinkpads.com is the ultimate Pad site for any and all Thinkpad questions.

>>57806988
Dunno if 7 will have all the drivers you need, so verify that first.

>>57803357
>2.13 GHz
>3 GB of RAM
>128 GB disk (I guess it's SSD due to the size rather than HDD as they're saying)
>$270
>"off from $500 hurr"

Am I missing something, or is this clearly a ripoff?

>>57804790
Use another cable and another switchport and see whether it makes any difference.

Currently got a 128Gb SSD in x230 running windows but would like to duel boot linux. Would it be better to buy a new SSD and replace the old on the sata 3 slot and partition for both OS or use the mSATA slot for a second drive at lower bandwidth? What you guys think?

>>57808067

install gentoo

>>57789560
What the fuck are you trying to say?

>>57811540
mSATA slot is slower and the drives are more expensive and having less drives would give better battery life (maybe) so the single SSD seems like a better option. Separate drives would be more convenient though, but partitioning isn't hard.

>>57811540
>would like to duel boot linux
That sounds dangerous, some distro might get hurt

Anyway I'd go with msata ssd as main drive mostly because less weight and option for a HDD/second SSD, plus in daily usage you won't notice any differences between sata2 and sata3.

>>57794015

I would get a quad core for albeton live. T460p maybe if you want to buy new.

>>57806079
thanks for advice!

>>57812376
Also the 2720qm lets you run the RAM at 1600mhz instead of 1333mhz (with modded bios of course) for somewhat enhanced ram and iGPU performance.

>>57807134
Check AliExpress for decently priced 9cells that have the Lenovo logo, if you pay less than $40 for a 9 cell it's guaranteed to be a fake.

>>57808698
No, only have the msata port unused.

>>57809438
The innolux 1600x900 is as shit in the color and viewing angles department as the stock 1366x768 panel but it has better brightness.

>>57812423
It also has 6mb of cache.

>>57811540
I'd go for an additional drive and disconnect the Windows drive, then select boot device by pressing F12 on startup. No bootloader fuckery, separate installs, life is good.

>>57811525
I manually installed the newest driver and it seems to have fixed the issue.

So how bad/good are Lenovo Yogas?

>>57808771
looks like you might be locked out of BIOS, did the seller give you a admin password?

>>57812654
>>57811904
>>57812342

Thanks guys, think I'll put an SSD in the mSATA then and put linux on that.

>>57812539
found 1 9 cell with the Lenovo logo and its $85, at that point I might aswell get one from newegg it would get here quicker. There are some extended external batteries which I have not seen that use the dock connector it would be thick as fuck but hey 2 9 cells and 180Wh of battery, neat.

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What's a good price to pay for a X220 tablet?

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I've owned the Dell E6430, Elitebook 8470p, and T430.

I'd rank them:
1. T430
2. E6430
3. 8470p

The T430 and E6430 have the best keyboards, followed by the 8470p.

Trackpad is about the same for all of them, but the E6430 and 8470p have a slightly better one than the T430. T430 has the best nipple by far, the nipple on the E6430 and 8470p is complete garbage.

Screen is the same for all three, they're just sufficient, they won't give you eye cancer like some people claim, but they also can't be used for any color sensitive work.

T430 is easily the most portable due to its lighter weight when compared to the others.

Battery life depends on battery size and condition, but from my experience the T430 and E6430 get similar battery life with a fairly used 9 cell battery.

Do note that a 8470p with the AMD Radeon 7570M will have absolutely shit battery life, as HP made it so you are forced to always be running on the 7570M, instead of having it switch between the HD 4000 and 7570m like with the NVS chips on the E6430 and T430.

All of them have great build quality, but I'd give the edge to the T430, because of its lighter weight as stated before.

T430 has the best thermals followed by the 8470P and then the E6430. T430 stays nice and cool even under load, 8470P can get a bit warm under load, and the E6430 gets almost unbearably hot under load, think mine might need new thermal paste so my experience might not be 100% accurate.

Performance depends on the specs of the laptop itself, duh.

That's my short summary of the main three ivy bridge business laptops. Figured I'd post this since I didn't really see posts comparing them. Hopefully this helps someone with deciding which they want.

>>57800915
that would not be profitable for the battery makers tho. how would they sell you $100 or higher batteries then?

>>57813407
T430 is the only one that supports mSATA,

>>57813562
Forgot about that. Definitely a big plus these days with SSD prices dropping.

>>57800915
>>57813555
Better yet have a laptop that can run off of cheap as shit 18650 lithium cells cutting out the middle men that is selling you a battery with $25 worth of cells for $100 or someone make a battery pack that has replaceable cells The actual battery makers are very much still making a profit, just not the extortionists that are selling you the pack

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investigate Total 450usd for T420
250 usd for T420
128 ssd 2720qm 11gb ram 1600 900 (was stock)

is it worth as price?
I hope it will

Somebody make a new bread

>>57795176
>>57795208
>Besides, I presume that this procedure, even if whoever performs it knows what he's doing, bears a significantly higher risk of failure than a regular firmware flash.
it's a very annoying process that needs fiddling to get working correctly in many cases unless you follow specific instructions

There was a good detailed guide made recently that documents the procedure in depth from a less technical basis

>>57814184
>>57814184
>>57814184

>>57812956
Well, it was working just fine.
I went to turn it on this morning and got the error.