/hpg/ - Headphone General

Is that Sriracha for a spicy beat?

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>Get home
>Go to feed dog
>Dog somehow jumped 4 foot in door gate, opened room door and chewed through my back pack
>Head phones put away
>Ieft Audio Technica M 50 X 3.5 mm to 2.5 mm auxiIary cabIe in bag
>Ripped to shreds

Anyone know where the best pIace wouId be for a high quaIity repIacement cabIe around $ 10 that is in the U S ?

Most of them are $ 15 - $ 20 or Iook Iike they wiII not fit the M 50 X 2.5 mm connector.

Any cabIe you personaIIy recommend?

>>57762809
>>57762822
thanks!

I was looking at closed ones because I live in a dorm and there's a lot of noise around.

so... how noticeable is noise with regular Senns 598?

What closed back headphones would you guys recommend that sound good?

>>57762409
Request from last thread. should also note that would prefer removable cable.

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Daily reminder to check your headphones for spiders.

Sorta unrelated question.

If I want to get a pair of passive bookshelf speakers to connect to my PC, I know I'll need an amp + dac combo with USB to connect them.

I must be going full retard though, because every amp/dac I find is for headphones only, or has RCA output ports.

Am I looking for the wrong thing here?

What terminology do I need to look for to find an amp/dac that can connect to passive speakers?

Thanks

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meme

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>2016
>wearing ear fedoras

>>57762961
if you're listening to music on them it's not too bad. my roommates regularly sneak up on me when i have mine on. but they leak sound obviously so people nearby would be able to hear what you're listening to

>>57763049
Except hese fedoras actually bring ears to orgasm.

>>57763049
>2016
>worrying about fashion in the privacy of my home
Do you feel ashamed when you're naked in the shower, too?

>>57763029
i use the dayton b652 / lepai 2020 setup from plebbit and honestly am pretty happy with it. i don't use a dac at all

>>57763088
Only when your mom is in there with me.

>>57763113

Forgive my retardation, but how do you go from your comp to the RCA input on that amp?

Do you use a left/right splitter and your headphone jack?

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>>57762782
>>57762782
>>57762782

>>57763150
it has both rca and 1/8" input

>>57763171

So I'd effectively be using my mobo as the DAC then pulling audio out of the headphone jack to feed the amp?

>>57762961
People will hear it a bit if you're in public, but if you're living alone with 598s no one should be able to hear and if it's loud enough you won't hear anything either.

>>57763181
well the audio coming from the onboard headphone jack is an analog/line out signal already, yes, that's what you're amplifying.

Should I buy HD558's for 60 pounds on amazon.co.uk?
Gonna be my first open back headphones if I do.

>>57763052
>if you're listening to music on them it's not too bad. my roommates regularly sneak up on me when i have mine on. but they leak sound obviously so people nearby would be able to hear what you're listening to
I was hoping that I could use headphones as a minimal anti-noise earmuffs when music's not on.

>>57763290
>People will hear it a bit if you're in public, but if you're living alone with 598s no one should be able to hear and if it's loud enough you won't hear anything either.
don't care much about others. care more about noise suppression and sound quality when thye're on.

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did i get meme'd?

>>57763360
Then yes, if they're loud you won't hear much unless it's something like yelping or a fire alarm.

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>>57763363

Yeah - you're not alone either.

I've posted it before, but these sound noticeably worse than my old 380 pros.

>>57763360
>I was hoping that I could use headphones as a minimal anti-noise earmuffs when music's not on.
if you're not playing music then no, they don't block out sound at all

>click 19 pictures of rivers
>please try again
fuck this gay ass website desu

>>57763363
they sound better than my m40x so it's a win in my book

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Found this pair of Pickering PH-4933 headphones at a thrift store for 7 dollars.

Is there anything I can do to make them sound better?

The audio sounds kind of far away.

when nothing is playing it sort of sounds like when you hold a shell up to your ear and hear the ocean.

are these just the beats of the 1970s?


Thank you for your time.
>pic related

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>>57763584
Could try to EQ it to your liking, but you get what you pay for.

>>57763347
Bls resbond

>>57763627
See if you could find SHP96500s for sale at that price range in euro land.

>>57761637
>how are k702's clamping force?
Very good: it's tight but it doesn't hurt your brain like HD600/650 does. Also, it doesn't loose over time.

>>57762959
senn hd5x8 cables will work too

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(couldn't find a relevant thread)
Audio related question:
Which is the /g/ approved Android audio player app?

>>57763695
>(couldn't find a relevant thread)

Then make a thread, you jackass.

>>57763731
yeah, and get 0 replies as usual
fuck it i give up

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>>57763695
>https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php?title=Headphones
would like to know this as well, i'm using shuttle and blackplayer

>>57763584
>buying old shit from the 70's
the only worthwhile headphones from that era are AKG

>>57763767
>AKG
>worth it from any era
KEK

what do you guys think of this combo?

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/146611-REG/Sennheiser_HD_600_HD_600_Headphone.html

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1217423-REG/fiio_k5_docking_headphone_amplifier.html

My XPT100s came in the mail today, really digging the sound. Thanks for the rec, /hpg/

>>57763783
Nice post pajeet

>>57763951
fuck off ranjesh stop shilling a dead company

>>57762959
>>57763659

Those are $ 18 and Technica are $ 20. Are there any reguIar 2.5 mm to 3.5 mm auxiIary cabIes that work as good or better for around $ 10? Any pIaces you recommend in the U S that wouId be a good pIace to get them?

>>57763363
I'll find out when mine show up this Friday. Although as muh first open back, I have nothing to compare it too.

>>57762821
That's some hot treble.

>>57763167
SR > XR

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What does g think about Sony V55? I'm oscillating between these and Sennheiser HD 205.

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>>57763961
>dead
lol, i think i hear a cash injection coming

>>57764180
inject into producing more terrible headphones that even harman wouldn't dare to use in their research? lmao

>>57764180
Fucking rekt

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>>57764194

DT 770 coming tomorrow. I hope /g/ didn't meme me.

>>57764238
It's surely better than HD598C

>>57764238
You did fine. I opted for 990's instead since I wanted open back and I've been enjoying them all night. Also what >>57764253 said.

>>57764318
>wanting earrape

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>>57764327
It's not rape if I want it.

>>57763167
For professional use the SR is better.

It's also great for recreational listening but some would prefer the XR since it has more bass.

post favorite headphones and why
i've given up on trying to read through the lines on "objective" reviews, i just want to hear what you think is good and what you like about them specifically

>>57764538
no

>>57764538
no

>>57764538
no

>>57764538
hd25
best sound signature, sound, and design for a portable

>>57763515
Can you give a small comparison between them? My hd598c should be arriving tomorrow and I was originally planning on getting the m40x. I haven't listened to either of them yet

>>57764538
I enjoy my Sony MDR-7506's and the Etymotic MC5's I have. Etymotics are definitely more neutral and accurate, along with better sound isolation, but the MDR-7506's are a lot more fun with their brighter sound signature, plus it just plain feels different. Overall, I value the Etymotics more, because they're neutral, and therefore easier to give any sound signature I like. I'm planning on upgrading to the Etymotic ER4S whenever I have the cash for it.

>headphones
HD600

>dac
FiiO K5

worth?

>>57764779
>worth?

That's not a question?

Can you guys give me some advice on some ANC headphones?

I'm an American
Looking to spend less than $400
I get that ANC distorts audio - I travel a lot on planes for work otherwise I would look at passive.
I prefer over the ear

I'm saddened that everything I look at is made in China. Such is the world now I guess. I love the Beyerndynamics but they don't have ANC. I'm open to passive isolation, but again, my biggest goal is killing plane noise.

Thanks!

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>>57762821
Can confirm that the Tari mod works wonder. The highs have never been spicier

>>57764978
QC25/35. It is the only ANC I recommend and only ever to frequent flyers.
Deep insertion IEMs, such as ER4(S/SR/XR/whatever), work just as well with an infinitely better curve but isn't exactly the greatest in terms of comfort.

>>57764852
what do you think of the setup...

would that go well with either a hd558 or hd600?

>>57765052
A solid state amp is a solid state amp. It works fine as long as the headphone isn't retardedly insensitive, of which the ones you stated aren't.

>>57765046
what are the 3rd albums on the 2nd and 3rd row? thanks

>>57765051
Thanks for the reply anon. I can't do the IEMs I guess I have fucked up ears. I was leaning towards the QC25s. So they will definitely block out more noise than Beyerndynamic passive isolation? I don't care about hearing announcements or anything. Less noise possible the better. As you can see from my hesitation, but for flying I definitely wouldn't do ANC. Thanks again.

>>57765072
okay...

do you have any other amp or dac recommendations? what do you think about tube amps?

>>57765092
Soulwax - Nite Versions & milo - So The Flies Don't Come

>>57765096
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/BoseQuietComfort25.pdf
Take a look at the isolation on the top right and compare that to whatever you have (if it has been measured) here: http://www.innerfidelity.com/headphone-measurements

Basically, yes, it will block out more noise. Just note that ANC isn't magic and is targeted more toward constant low frequencies, like engines, and not voices hence why I only recommend it to flyers.

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what cans are these? AKG?

>>57765101
>do you have any other amp or dac recommendations?
The usual is E10K for DAC/amp and O2 or Magni 2 for standalone amp.

>what do you think about tube amps?
Shitty audio meme. (Usually) More expensive, runs hot and uses more power than any decent solid state. Tube sound is usually from high output impedance to headphones with an impedance curve that isn't flat, eg. HD6x0 with 100hz impedance bump.

>>57765101
>tube amps?
You wanna buy a tube amp wtf? I hope you get hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

>>57765185
Bob marley positive vibes.

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>>57765185
Yes.

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>>57765185
K701, the ultimate weeb memephones.

>>57765207
Those are T5p not T1.

>>57765207
>Ichiko
>most expensive of the bunch
Pottery

>>57764779
no

>>57765185
yes

>>57765208
Riina has some shit taste.

>>57765292
As expected of a poser.

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> check audio stuff on Amazon.it out of curiosity
> Sennheiser HD598 SE: € 109
> Sennheiser HD558: € 150
> Sennheiser HD598: € 163
> Sennheiser HD598C: €220
> mfw

>>57763515
>>57764654
bump, i'm also interested

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requesting thoughts on k612 to someone who's heard them.

i'm really looking for any reason not the buy an hd6x0.

>>57764238
Haven't been meme'd. They're the an amazing closed set of cans if you like low end and can deal with the highs, not that they're even as bad as some of other beyers.

>>57764538
598's for beautiful warm width
600's for balanced clarity and detail
770/COP's for moist closed bass when paired with velours
HM5's for comfy ass neutral closed
7506's for field monitoring
HE-400s + ZMF cowhide for fucking GODLY PLANAR JUICE MACHINES CUMFEST FUCK

>>57764779
yes

>>57764978
Only ANC worth buying is Bose QC series
Anything else is a joke for some reason

>>57765046
Where the fuck can you download Soulwax's shit? Fucken great tunes
I've never been able to find anything other than youtube videos or GTA radio station aids

Just had a young family move in next door which will mean I'll not be able to use my hi-fi system as much and need to re-evaluate my headphone situation.

I've had a set of LCD-2s for around 5 years and love the way they sound, the fact that they feel awful was never that big a problem since it was only very late or early on a weekend I'd need to use them. Is there anything that sounds reasonably similar but doesn't feel like the empire state on my head? Willing to pay up to about 1k, UK based if that makes a difference.

>>57765718
Why don't you want HD 600/650's?

>>57765826
Get a bungee rope and suspend them above your seat. B^))))

>>57764538
Your ears will adjust to any headphone you buy.

You need to buy two high end headphones and use them 50% on 50% off to really be able to review a third headphone.

Burn-in doesn't exist, what happens is adaption of your ears to the profile of the headphone.

The only thing that matters is total-harmonic-distortion and this is something that is rarely mentioned by audiophiles because they are peasants.

If you're serious about listening accuracy, get a high end DAC + Amp with a THD of less than 0.05%, then get the HD600 as a starter headphone which has the same quoted THD. This should give you 0.1% which is quite excellent.

Some people like 2nd harmonic distortion which is why they buy those silly tube amps. Not accurate for listening but reportedly pleasing. You can emulate this in software.

>>57764066
HD598 Cs are closed back

>>57763695
Phonograph

>>57765831
too ubiquitous and i'm looking for something more interesting. something that isn't so "had dinner with the wife so i'm going to sit in my recliner and read the wsj while listening to aja on vinyl"

I'm not 100% sure if this is the right thread for this, as it's not directly asking about headphones, but I'll ask anyway:

I recently acquired some unpowered bookshelf speakers off of a relative, and I figured I would add them to my audio setup. I currently don't have an amp to drive these speakers.
I figured this would be a good opportunity to get a DAC + headphone amp, as I'm adding to my audio setup, and I've been meaning to get them at some point anyway.

So what are some good headphone amps that are also capable of driving speakers?
I would prefer to not have too much shit on my desk with too many volume controls, so that's why I would prefer that it was one unit.
My budget is around $400-500 NZD (~$290-360 USD). Also note: not everywhere ships to new zealand and sometimes shipping is expensive.

I was looking at a Schiit Modi 2 + Magni 2 Uber, but I don't know if that is actually capable of driving speakers.

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Not to bulky would be nice, they're 4 my girl. Thx
>Budget
<120€
>Location
Europe
>Source
Notebook,Smartphone
>Type of headphone
over/on ear
>Open or closed
closed prefered, use in public, outside, libaries...
>Comfort level
comfy
>Sound signature
even/warm
>Past headphones
nothing good

>>57765938
afaik $2k+ schitt yggdrasil is the only headphone amp that also drives speakers

>>57765994
oops wrong product. meant $1k+ ragnarok.

does anyone have the Sennheiser HD 569? is it any good?

>>57762821
My Sennheisers HD800 padding is getting crusty. What's the best way to clean them

>waiting on my 2 replacement cable for the hd650.
Going to be nice after using some generic earbuds for a couple weeks.

>>57766180
Warm diluted soapy hand wash. Gently scrub the pads against each other as abrasion, then rinse with clean water, squish any water out, and then leave to dry.

>>57765938
What you do is buy a good speaker receiver for cheap and then build a quality headphone adapter box for about $20 that plugs directly into the speaker terminals. The resistors need to be tuned specifically to the headphones you have and the amp you have.

You calculate that here.

https://robrobinette.com/HeadphoneResistorNetworkCalculator.htm

You'll have to run the headphones in true balanced fashion as well.

The resistors themselves are only about $5 altogether so if you ever swap amps or headphones, it's easy enough to retune with new parts.

>>57764538
From last thread, HD 800.

>Excellent except for the stock FR. Very linear response, very tolerant of leak, very tolerant to positional changes on your head, low distortion, very good quality control and build(channel matching, construction), well extended response, replaceable parts, decent resale value and most people, me included, would consider it comfortable. It's a little insensitive, you might need an amplifier for a decent volume and use parametric equalizer to tune the sound signature. Looking past those issues it's one of the best headphones on the market, imo. Without the aid of equalization, it's a little bright and harsh. Not extremely so but depending on what are you used to, it could be unpleasant. Trivial problem if you have PEQ.

In short, it's a quality product in many respects with not so nice tonality. I use EQ with every pair of headphones so the tonality isn't a problem for me. I don't think I could do any better than this for any amount of money. I have other headphones and in-ears I like, especially so if budget is more limited, but for home use this is my favorite.

i'm a little wary of investing in anything high end because a good amount of the stuff i listen to is pretty poorly-recorded 77-82 punk and hardcore
is there anything worth looking at that's still pretty forgiving of lower production value?

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Can somebody actually explain what's so bad about AudioGD? I got my 15.32 cheap over 3 years ago, and it's been pretty good. Great connectivity and very powerful amp for the relatively little money. It has a warm sound which I don't think is really a bad thing, it hasn't bothered me. It certainly sounded much better than the Xonar DG I came from. In any case, I wouldn't trying out something more allegedly neutral or detailed with an even better amp.

The Jotunheim looks pretty cool, but a couple of features of Audio GD I'm really used to having are missing; optical input and having a switch to change between headphone output and pre-amp output (so I'd have to unplug my headphones to use my speakers). The former is more of a worry than the latter, optical just means I can use it driverless and with way more shit. It's also nearly 3 times the cost of what I paid for 15.32, I don't know if it'd be worth the cost... Though it would allow me to go balanced which would be cool, and I could sell the 15.32 to some guy on head-fi since it's a discontinued model now, somebody will want it.

Worth the upgrade? I'd be using it with a HD650.

>>57765046

Mine has started to flake and it's not even a year old yet. The black coating in the HD800S is not as robust as the older silver one.

If I have to do it all over again, I would just send the HD800 for colorware treatment and install the SD resonator. Much cheaper.

>>57764538
I guess for all purposes, my Fidelio x2's. Sometimes they're too aggressive for certain genres though, so I turn to my 598's.

looking for something roughly $100aud (aus)
being comfortable for long periods of time is a must.

i don't really understand the other questions because i'm a pleb.

>>57766428

Never mind I just found out that the Jotunheim doesn't mute the pre-amp output when a headphone is plugged in. Fucking useless. I'll stick with my chink-shit I guess, at least it's sensibly functional. >buying american

>>57765994
Plenty of speaker amps with headphone outputs. Just that the headphone out is usually an afterthought and can have retardo output impedance.

>>57766428
Honestly old AGD just had bad quality control and sometimes used shoddy parts
They're fine now.
Check out the NFB-11/28 [whatever your budget is]

Only thing Jot has over the NFB-11 is the balanced output.

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Hello. Is XBA-A1 good enought for his price?

>>57766576

To my knowledge the 11 is identical to my 15 just with a different DAC, so I'll probably just stick with what I have.

>>57766523
>Source
What are you going to use the headphone with? Phone, mobo, amp?
>Type of headphone
In ear, on ear, over ear.
>Open or closed
Do you have a loud household or don't want leak? Closed. Otherwise, open.
>Sound signature
Do you prefer bass or treble more?

It is exceedingly difficult to recommend anything because of how personal this hobby is.

>>57764161
>V-55
They become creaky motherfuckers in the first month, even moving your head or jaw side to side will make obnoxious noise. Not particularly comfortable either, rubber head band is hard.

The sound signature is veiled and fatiguing.

I have no experience with Sennheiser but don't get Sony unless you're buying V6/7506 or better.

>>57766638
fuck are you on about?

>>57766701
>i don't really understand the other questions because i'm a pleb.
I explained the shit you don't know.

>>57766701
he's being exceedingly helpful to you

>>57766710
i think you underestimated how dumb that guy is

what kind of headphones are these??

https://youtu.be/SkqbHQqLwMU?t=53

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>>57765207
Are those Panasonics HTX7's any good?
I've seen them for like, $25-$35 and the reviews seem pretty decent for a pair of throw around headphones.

>>57766746
I'd also like to know this. The fact they come in different colors means they might make a good gift for the gf

>>57766739
HD 580's it looks like.

>>57766428
>I wouldn't trying out something more allegedly neutral or detailed with an even better amp.
You severely overestimate or just misunderstand how if at all amplifiers affect sound. You won't magically "upgrade" the sound aspect here, no matter what you buy at any price point.

>>57766342
Don't do this unless you want ridiculous output impedance

>>57765938
There's only a handful of devices that are jacks of all trades and I think all of them have subpar performance.

What I did was I just got an o2+odac with rca out and plugged that into a stereo amplifier.
You can get some small stereo amps out there like the Lepai and what not.

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>>57762821
just bought the phillips fidelio x2 (used but mint condition) for £145, did i do well?

>>57767020
That's pretty good. They've been down to $150 USD back when everyone was freaking out about the whole gibson shit, but that was a fair while ago. If they're in fine condition you did good.

>>57767040
He said he can remove the pads, so does that mean they're not Gibson. Not sure what I'm looking for

>>57767060
Dunno. They fixxed that shit and reduced the amount of glue used after they freaked out anyway. Even if they were gibson you'd still be pretty well off.

>>57767020
>>57767060
>>57767073

well I'm used to my dt770s 80ohms (and e10k), looking forward to trying something new

Is the reason headphones with higher impendence than other headphones sound better because of something to do with the thickness of the wires inside the headphones?

Looking at buying myself a decent set of IEMs
>Budget
120usd
>Location
New Zealand
>Source
Smartphone
>Type of headphone
IEM
>Comfort level
Preferably something that doesn't feel like 2 rocks in my ears
>Sound signature
Warm, deep bass and crisp highs
>Past headphones
Sennheiser CX-280s
Sony MDR-XB400s

>>57766428
Their build quality is lacking even for chink stuff. Their amps used to kill DACs because of non-standard wiring in their IEC inlets.

>>57766638
i'm using them on my pc

i've used both in ear/ over ear. i remember over ear being slightly more comfy but because i've only used one of each i'm happy to be swayed.

closed i guess.

base? maybe

also >>57766701 isn't me.

Why did you meme me /g/? My HD 598cs have arrived and they are fucking comfortable and they sound pretty good desu

Is there a big difference between hd598 and hd558?

>>57767907
558's have less highs, and slightly more low end.
You can just remove some foam dampening from the inside of the housing on 558's to make them sound near identical to 598's though

>>57767803
I don't think people ever had a problem with comfort on those. Sound though, that's really subjective. If you had read recent threads there were multiple people giving sane advice and opinions on the 598c so that you didn't have to resort into believing one poster at face value... which it seems like you ended up doing.

>>57767907
No.

How much do I have to spend on a pair of IEMS to rival the listening experience my dt 990 250 I hm offers? Assuming I enjoy the 990s sound signature, which I of course do.

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What do you guys think of qc35s? just got some and they're amazing, just put them on and i'm in a different world

>>57768000
mdr1000x

>>57768000
Only worth it for ANC
without ANC enabled they sound like complete dog shit.

>>57768004
>mdr1000x
they look retarded and sony is for fags

>>57768014
says the bosebaby

>>57768013
i tried the ones without anc and they sounded amazing. but with ANC it's just so much better

>>57768014
BOSE are the Beats of white people
You're literally a white nigger. You have no right to complain about anything, ever.

>>57767987
Getting a pair of IEMs to match the sound of open cans is going to cost a pretty ridiculous amount I imagine. Best I've tried myself were Shure SE535, but even those didn't match up.

Do own a pair of SE215 and are pretty great for their price, so I'll recommend them to >>57767274

>>57768024
i'd bend over for Bose they're literally the best headphones ever, buying their speaeker now because these headphones r just so good

>>57768035
>beats of white people

Beats are just... no. Bose is the masterful race and all u jealous fags cannot simply comapre with your shitty AKG shitphones

>>57768049
(you)

>>57762959
Probably for the best since you posted that picture I would say well deserved.

>>57763049
2016 and posting a picture of a guy with a baby head. He should be wearing a fedora to make his head look bigger. /pol fgts sure are the dumbest motherfuckers on here

>>57768000
Bose is a brand that makes cheap shit and upsells it because brand name, fuck em

>>57766809
>Don't do this unless you want ridiculous output impedance
Thevenin impedance is kept low with the voltage divider circuit. This also means it is less flexible with headphone's impedance.

>>57767206
The wire thickness and length affects the impedance, but that doesn't make it sound better.

>>57766449
I remember thinking you would buy the 800S even though you already had the HD800, and that your purchase would backfire on you in some silly way.
Now that it has happened, it just seems sad.

Has anything else happened in the world of Indonesia-Fi?

>>57768114
>disrespecting your vice-president elect
shameful

>>57768122
> doesn't list a single headphone brand that is better because he simply cannot.

be jealous all u want whilst i sit here with the best headphones in the world

>>57768114
plz don't bring politics into this comfy thread, I don't want to go lib spearing right now

>>57767941
The thing is these are my first "decent" pair of headphones so I don't have much to compare besides the cx300 item and my gf s akg k518 le. I find the sound quite balanced and clean, I can hear individual instruments quite good and the bass is quite balanced and not in your face. Maybe I like them because I am an audio pleb but I think I'll keep these. I don't know if I'd be better off returning them for m40x or something

>>57768163
Using the term comfy to describe terrible information kill yourself and rid us of your stupidity

>>57765879
THD is frequency dependent. Typical procedure ill captures crossover distortion.
>Some people like 2nd harmonic distortion which is why they buy those silly tube amps.
All orders of nonlinearity are increased, not just 2nd order.
You can linearize a tube amplifier if you want to, or leave a transistor amp with asymmetric non-linearity.
>You can emulate this in software.
Somewhat challenging and most attempts are crude, but indeed possible. Made somewhat easier in that these people do not normally listen to guitar amps.

>>57767987
That's a little much of a subjective question to have a straightforward answer. the difference in isolation and size already makes for a very different experience.
You can be told about something with a similar magnitude response more easily.

I am thinking the Ostry KC06 could be a pair to start with, but my memory is fuzzy.

>>57763029
There really aren't any loudspeaker amp + DAC combos that I know of. Amps typically have RCA stereo input(s), so you need some sort of analog output on your source. You PC already has this - the green front speakers/headphone jack, all you need is an appropriate cable, 3.5mm stereo jack to 2xRCA. Integrated sound cards can suffer from noise issues though, if you run into that issue an external DAC is usually the safest bet to solve it. It doesn't need an integrated headphone amp, just live-level output is fine, for instance you can look at a Modi 2 or an ODAC.

>Budget
$100
>Location
Canada
>Source
Phone
>Type of headphone
On ear
>Open or closed
Doesn't matter
>Comfort level
Comfortable, not noticeable
>Sound signature
Neutral, I like clear sound
>Past headphones
MDR V6, V55, porta pro

I'm looking for something I can take hiking/outdoors. I Just got Porta Pros, but I'm wondering at alternatives already as the sound is a little like a high pass filter.

>>57768565
Koss KSC75 and swap the Porta Pro driver.

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>>57764238
I decided not to listen to /g/'s rec on getting the dt880s and got the dt990s a few days ago instead. No regrets at all.

>>57765938
Headphone amps that can power speakers aren't really a thing. Speaker amps that have a headphone output however are quite common, but the quality of the output can be lacking. You can do what I did, I got an O2 which also has RCA output, so I plugged that into my loudspeaker amp. I adjusted the amp's volume control to an adequate level and now I control the volume from the O2. If headphones are plugged in the RCA output is disconnected, so it acts like any other headphone output on any amp.

Tell me something ws99, with fiio e17k and neutron music player: how do I equalize them to sound strong, dark, bassy for extreme secession of electronic music

Aside from that, what do you think about ws99 ingeneral and fiio17k combo? And if already, do you suggest me to get more powerful/bassy portable amp? Which are then. I already set with sound. 10/10 sound.

Music I tend to listen to, neurofunk, neurohop, darkstep, techstep, uplifting trance, splittercore, hardcore, electro house, deep house, dark ambient, garrage, idm, and psy on any of these genres, etc, etc.

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>>57763003
Then put cottons between the earpads. Plus enhancing the comf

no difference in sound signature, also depends on the headphones, earpads shape tho

what's a good ATH-M50X counterpart that isn't overpriced in Canada?

My ATH-M50's which I've had for 7 years are starting to fall apart. Sound is still fine but the ear cups, casing, etc is beginning to show wear.

Thinking of upgrading to
Beyerdynamic DT770's (250 Ohm), they're around the same price range as the M50s when I first bought them plus I've heard a lot of good things about them.

>>57768581
> I decided not to listen to people recommending me a good headphone and got a horrible headphone
How smart!

>>57769083
That's a surprisingly good idea to enhance isolation.

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>>57769133
>>57769105
Ath m50shit turned out the be shit tho, zero sound stage

And if you like these trashes, and if you were baited from the memeshit, then I feel sorry for you

STOP TALKING ABOUT THEM, THEY DON'T EVEN SOUND NATURAL!

Is the headphone mod for the sennheiser 558 worth it? What are the pros and cons?

>>57769182
Oh shoot, forgot to mention the isolation. Well I happy that you got the idea

>>57769183
>closed headphones
>bad sound stage
damn nigga who'd a thunk

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>>57769263
Oh believe me, there ARE closed headphones that has an amazing sound stage.

Not big as open headphones, but at least 100 times better than m50/x

Pic related

>>57769183
I've had them for 7 years. I don't think they were a meme back then.

>>57769378
Well they might be good for monitoring, if you using them primarly for that format

I have steelseries mouse and pad and they are pretty good. Are their headphones any good though? I'm looking for price performance range.

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>>57769356
>Fidelio X2
>closed
Are you retarded, or do you just need a dictionary?

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>>57769468
Fuck you

I use a pair of HD558's with my bass amp to practice during the evenings but I've noticed that, at some points on the neck, the intonation is messed up.

It's like the headphones are messing with the pitch or something. This doesn't happen with speaker so I'm wondering if it might be the headphones.

Is there any way to verify this? They sound fine for regular listening.

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>>57769007
>>57769007
>>57769007

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The headband on my ATH-M50 is peeling and it's getting really annoying.

Saw this as a fix:
forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/73116138-post13.html

Anyone know where I can get this fabric?

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DID I GET JEWED
WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ON THESE MEMEPHONES

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>>57769007

>>57768186
Whatever kind of issues you might have with the tonality are possible to correct using parametric equalizer. If you are fine with the comfort, build, isolation and whatever other qualities the headphone has, you can fix the sound quite easy.

>>57768777
Your speaker amp doesn't have a line/recorder out with fixed signal level? You wouldn't have to mess around with the pot when connecting external devices. Quite a few modern integrated amplifiers have a dedicated headphone amplifier circuit built in, too. The opposite where devices designed mainly for headphone amplification but also have loudspeaker terminals are rare.

>>57769511
Sounds very odd, the headphones are acting in minimum phase so any kind of pitch shift shouldn't happen. What is a bass amp? Bass guitar amplifier with a headphone out to monitor it?

>>57769007
>ws99
No personal experience on them but IF shows a rather dark response already with more midbass than anything. Whatever you want, a parametric equalizer is what you need to achieve it. If you are on Windows, download equalizer APO. Sine sweeps and pink noise can help to identify colorations or objectionable parts of the response which you might want to alter better than music does. My advice is to try to get the response as flat as possible first and then making adjustments with broader filters to tune the response if certain kind of coloration is what you are looking for.
>powerful amp
That's only going to make things louder overall. Do you lack volume? WS99 is quite sensitive.
>bassy amp
Most amplifiers are built to be linear, orders of magnitude flatter than your headphones are at least. If you have a problem with too little or much anything, you use an equalizer.

>Budget
~60usd

>Location
Freedomland

>Source
Motherboard has "sound blaster recon3di"

>Type of headphone
Circumaural

>Open or closed
don't care

>Comfort level
dont care just dont be fucking speakers taped to my head

>Sound signature
dont care

>Past headphones
shitty headsets, steelseries siberia v2 currently really like the way it adjusts to head.

need a microphone as well, need to stay under 60usd for both, otherwise I'll need a headset.
I know you guys hate headsets but I absolutely need a microphone. Was looking at the G230, so will prob go with that if you guys can't help.

k702 or k712?

or go k812?

>>57769784
Ask yourself first: why these headphones?

Oh! thanks bud!

Thank you for responding!

Well aside from me wanting more bass, I already have enough bass. They pretty much bass overhead. With ws99, there is a weird distortion, click sounds in certain tracks when the huge emphasis bass appears. How do I fix it? I tried through my complex eq in neutron for portable usage, still missing something.

>>57769807
comfy on my head

>>57769784
K712 is pretty unanimously better than the K702. K812 are nowhere near the price of those two so I'm not sure how they're comparable?

>>57769819
Meant for>>57769732

>>57769843
k712 is cheaper here than k702, so was wondering if they were worse somehow

>>57769356
those are about as closed as your boipucci when i plow it at night.

>>57769933
HD600 is cheaper than the HD650 yet it's slightly better.

>>57769755
Get a pair of headphones for $59 and then get a $1 lapel mic. Shp9500's are a pretty good pair of headphones for around that price, and then you could get a vmoda mic later on for more convenience if you wanted. Theres the monoprice 8323's for $17, but those are a lot more uncomfortable.

>>57769784
Plenty of comfy on the market, K812 differs from the usual open back AKG design. You should try before you buy. Do you enjoy the sound of any of those now? That should probably be one of the first of your concerns when deciding between them. The more expensive/higher end models offer something different but aren't necessarily any better. I wouldn't give high marks to K812 and at its price range there are loads of other options to consider.

>>57769843
>unanimously better
>>57769974
>better
Hardly, evidenced by people in these threads already. K712 is warmer than K702 but less flat. HD 650 is HD 600 with a slightly warmer tilt.

>>57769819
>click sounds
That seems odd. Does it sound like it has something to do with the bass? Does it happen with all headphones with the same setup, song and settings? What kind of an EQ are you using now if any? You should troubleshoot a little. If you are using an equalizer, you should also watch out for total gain in digital domain. If you boost something with an equalizer, you should use a preamplifier setting with at least equal amount of negative gain to avoid clipping the output.

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Why does this graph vary so wildly in comparrison to >>57751671

This one looks more accurate, since innerfidelity has similar results.

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>>57770017
>Does it sound like it has something to do with the bass
> Does it happen with all headphones with the same setup
I think it sound clickly with any of my headphones. I have ath es10, m50x and sennheiser 630vb.

I tested it with es10 and it sounded clicky even on them. I used neutron music player, the best music player you can get on the smartphones, it's an android app. The eq there, surround sound and the gain technology is quite impressive for a 7 dollar app. I just boosted the sound with 0.38 gain DB for my listening. I think it's because of the gains I put on so some of the click noise is very noticeable because of that. Or I can somehow clean it through the eq? I really want a little bit of bass just for the immersion

>>57770017
>K712 is warmer than K702 but less flat.
If you want flat, get the K701. They're even flatter but absolutely no bass, even less than the K702.

>>57769153
The 880s still have a mountain spike of treble.

>>57770029
>Why does this graph vary so wildly in comparrison to
Different seal, different compensation, different coupler. Headroom plots are also an average of the two channels which smooths out some detail out and doesn't show channel matching.
>Innerfidelity
Uses a different compensation too. Tyll from IF provides the measurement data to Headroom.

>>57770156
The clicking is definitely from the source, either the DSP stuff you are using or even in the track itself. If you are exceeding full scale digital volume, you can run into clipping with music, starting from very loudly mastered stuff. You need to lower the gain either as a total or create different filters to avoid creating too much gain in certain area. That app looks like a piece of work.

>>57770157
K612 is the flattest AKG in production. Sound wise K701 is barely different from K702. None of them have much lower bass, all of them have a small midbass emphasis.

>>57770029
>Why does this graph vary so wildly in comparrison
Different compensation, different unit.

>>57770156
>I just boosted the sound with 0.38 gain DB for my listening
Bad idea. Back off the preamp a bit more.

As a secondary suggestion, try to use fewer filters.

>>57770222
>you need to lower the gain either as a total or create different filters to avoid creating too much gain in certain area
But how I do it? How can I leave the subbass/lowends without lowering the dbs for it? I mean you can test it yourself, and if you find something more useful, let me know.

Filters. well.

>>57770269
What are these fewer filters? The eq gainers?

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Is there any way to tighten the headband adjustment on the 558? I don't see any screws to do so.

>>57770222
>None of them have much lower bass
I'm guessing not even the K712s, with their " improved low-end performance by 3dB"?

>>57769843
>K712 is pretty unanimously better than the K702
fuck off back to /reddit/ zeos shill

>>57770029
Where's this graph from?

>>57770381
http://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews

>>57770380
wew haven't seen someone so mad without giving any good arguments before

>>57769732
>Your speaker amp doesn't have a line/recorder out with fixed signal level?
It does, but I've got several reasons that are mostly related to my specific setup that I chose not to use the "tape" output:
>don't want to keep my amp + sub powered up just so I essentially get a source selector I don't use, they're on the same switched socket and changing that would be a PITA
>amp has no room on/near my desk and it's on a shelf off to the side, so I can't actually reach its volume control, the O2 is small enough to fit right in front of me
>it has a remote but no LED on its volume pot, can't tell the level at night
>muh physical knobs fetish
Basically doing it this way fixes a bunch of annoyances in terms of daily use for me, but yeah if a tape/line-level output is available that's also completely usable to feed into a headphone amp. I've compared sound quality with and without the O2 in the signal path, there's absolutely no difference that I can hear, no extra noise/hiss either.

>>57770380
>He's angry he is stuck with the K702
The K712 walks ALL over the K702 once the memory foam gets a nice seal. There's no comparison.

You're never going to get absolutely neutral headphones, but the K702 has no bass at all, it's hilarious watching people buy these and then equalise them to get more bass.

>>57770313
I really need an answer from you

I was able to alleviate part of the problem by layering scotch tape and it might look a little silly, but it makes the right side less loose

>>57770313
Use less filters in the bass area. Delete one for example, preferably a filter that affects the area of bass where you get the clicky sound. Alternatively you can just lower the "gain" slider on the right.

>>57770351
Has more bass but the entire response is tilted towards bass. It's not any flatter.

>>57770006
Samson SR850 + Zalman ZMic1

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>>57770558

>>57770579
>It's not any flatter.
No, I'm not the same anon you replied to. I was just wondering how the bass, specially the sub bass, sounds like in the 712s

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These are the best headphones in the under $300 price category, period.

>>57770580
>Zalman ZMic1
I've got one of these, it can sound more than good enough for voice chat, but be aware that if it's sitting somewhere on your chest clipped to the headphone cable it's not the loudest ever and may need a sound card with a decent mic input that can amplify sufficiently without introducing all the background hiss in the world. I've used it on a Xonar DX and it sounded just great, loud and clear with very little noise, but when I had to switch it over to my onboard card's input (ALC1150) it was basically unusable, needed +30dB boost to get an audible level for my voice and the hiss was louder anyway. I had to use the card as a preamp basically and loop it back to line in to get sufficient amplification without insane background noise.

>>57770579
>Delete one for example, preferably a filter that affects the area of bass where you get the clicky sound
Well let's see, I have 40hz low-shelf, another one low-shelf with 130hz and the last low-shelf is 302hz

the first one is 5.560 gain db, the second one is 1.646 bd and the last is -4.060

Which one should I delete and then how should I adjust the other filters?

>Alternatively you can just lower the "gain" slider on the right
Would you like to show me an example?

>>57766449
My coating is still going fine, was Jude right in that the plastic underneath is actually black and it's not just a paintjob?

>>57770668
About what you can see from the plots: there's more of it with some variance on seal. You could simulate it with EQ. Not sure what's more there to tell.

>>57770791
Those stack up. Delete one, see if the problem goes away. I'd start with the second one as it's the smallest.
>how should I adjust the other filters?
However you like. I suggested getting sine sweep tones and maybe pink noise to listen through the headphones you want to equalize. Create filters to remove things you dislike and others to emphasize areas you want to hear more. I would suggest a better equalizer but I don't have any specific ones to suggest for Android(?).
>Would you like to show me an example?
As you seemingly can read, it's there on the right in the screenshot you posted earlier. I have no experience of that software nor do I feel like installing it on my mobile devices right now. Just lower the volume, is the clicking fixed?

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>>57770029
So this is the power of the Beats™

>>57770692
a lot of reviewers say the dt880s 600 ohms are superior. i fell for the "big headphones must mean good sound quality" meme too but you'll eventually learn to do your research.

>>57770982
A great example of how to butcher response with DSP. I kind of want to know how did they come up with a filter that bad.

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What's the point of headphones like these?

>>57771049
looks like the K 1000 response too

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>>57771064
Weird as fuck headphones

>>57771049
for treblefags

>>57771049
I own the K121. They're not the most amazing things, but they have a surprising amount of detail. I use them to play piano all the time.
Uncomfortable as hell though, squeezes my head to bits.

>>57770580
>Samson SR850
how does it compare to the SR950? the 950 is a bit cheaper.

>>57771089
>>57771064
>>57771049
Just found out they were made in the 70s. Neat

>>57770966
>I suggested getting sine sweep tones and maybe pink noise to listen through the headphones you want to equalize
Well I think I don't need to test it since (I think) it will be unnecessary
>I would suggest a better equalizer but I don't have any specific ones to suggest for Android
It is good, since it's the only phone music player that has the best eq, due the actually working eq and the filters creation

>As you seemingly can read, it's there on the right in the screenshot you posted earlier
Well I have two types of gainers, replay gain and preamp, both of them work currently.

Well I start with closing one of the filters.

>>57770791
Each slider is for one filter, and your filters look like a kudzu infestation. The filters just add and subtract each other by decibel, so this doesn't look necessary.


Neutron lists system volume as "gain"; the slider to use here is the one labeled "preamp"
Cut out the redundant shelves and pick a couple peak filters to use instead.

>>57771049
To feel better about the next purchase.

>>57771105
Check this out:

http://www.inexxon.com/stax-modelle/stax-kopfh%C3%B6rer/sr-x-mk-3/

Which model of the HD2XX line is the best?

>>57771154
peak shelves as my subbass? Thats what you mean?

>>57771100
850's are 'Semi-open' while the 950's are closed.
Less bass in the 850's and is brighter than the 950's.
Both have the same headband and pads.
I have the 950's and they're pretty damn good headphones. Treble is just about perfect, mids are relatively neutral but the bass is borderline kneegro tier and can get bloated/sloppy at high volume. If you want to cheap out a bit, Superlux HD 668B's have the same driver as the 850/950. I'm actually thinking of getting Samson 850's to replace the 950's for gaming and music because of it being open backed.

>>57771241
I like nignog bass so I'll probably go with the 950s. im no audiophile at all, I've used 30 dollars headsets for the past 7 years.

Also, the 950s are only 2 dollars more than the superlux you mentioned on amazon atm, and the 850s are about 20 more.

>>57771154
>>57770966
Holy shit, I think it worked, it sounds the same bass but without the clicks! I hope my mind just doesn't play with me.

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>>57771382
Holy shit, it sounds even tighter! WITHOUT CLICKS! AND WITH EVEN BETTER SOUND

Wow replacing one of the lowshelves with a peak shelf was a good idea!

thoughts on Audio Technica ATH-M40x?
im worried that my ears are too big for those

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>Budget
100-150 euros but m flexible with the prices
>Location
Germany
>Source
PC and android smartphone
>Open or closed
closed
>Comfort level
i have big ears so comfortable
>Past headphones
HD461G

Best amp/dac combo for around £50?

Will be pairing with DT 770's, first step into budget "audiophile" world

>>57771875

You mean comfort wise? Some anons here described the pads as "waxy cardboard" but I think they're exaggerating: they're not the comfiest headphones I've ever used but the pads aren't that bad.

That said, the ATH-M40X clamp down pretty hard, hard enough that it would hurt behind my ears with my old glasses (hard end tips) after a few hours of listening to music. My new glasses have soft end tips though and it no longer hurts.

Unlike you however, I have small ears and I can fit them inside the headphones.

>>57764538
HD600 and ER4SR.

Because they are neutral and have the least amount of coloration among other headphones.

For closed back (which I don't like), maybe MDR-V6 / MDR-7506 and DT250.

>inb4 shill

>>57772265
Harmonic distortion is a coloration and the HD600 have plenty of that. They are also by no definition 'neutrral', please don't spread this misinformation. Audio Zenith PMx2 are much closer to neutral.

>>57766449
pics of flaking?

How shit is the thinkpad x220 audio quality compared to a desktop with a better sound card?

>>57772321
The 600s are defintelly one of the most neutral for their price. Maybe the 650 or the DT880 is more neutral - in the latter if we tame down the treble spike

>>57772450
Yes the DT880 is more neutral overall. The 650 does not have the upper midrange glare of the 600 but has more of a midbass hump so I'd call them even.

>Budget
150 usd

>Location
Mootxico

>Source
SMSL M3
>Type of headphone
Over

>Open or closed
Open
>Comfort level
Very comfy
>Sound signature
Neutral or Bassy

>Past headphones
Some gaymur headset

>>57763363
For a 100$, it is totally worth it, better than m40x, m50x and any other 100$ range.
Now, for their original price (200-250) , I think you may find better alternatives.

>>57763363
Mine arrived today and after following the last few threads I was prepared for total shit but I actually like the sound a lot and they are very comfortable. I'd say for 99€ this was a very good purchase. Keep in mind that I am no audiophile though

>Budget
$100
>Place
Burger king
>Type
On-ear
>Comfort
9/10 comfort
>Sound
as neutral as possible
>other things
needs detachable cord, needs to be foldable

>>57763695
"Clean Music" is a great music player.

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Can someone identify these IEMs?

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Ayy my K712 also shipped

>>57766746
>>57766759
I've heard they're good for the price. I've got some coming in on Friday, planning to mod them and use them as my portable phones.

So, my current audio setup sucks, it goes like this:

PC>External sound card>Old ass Daewoo hi-fi system>No name bookshelf speakers

The sound card's volume knob sometimes acts up, it can be fixed by unplugging and plugging it again but it is starting to drive me crazy.

Also, the sound gets really quiet when I have both my PC and my PS3 plugged into the hi-fi system even though I never turn them both on at the same time which forces me to plug and unplug shit manually whenever I want to use one ot the other.

If I want to upgrade my setup, will this do?

PC>DAC>Amp>Proper bookshelf speakers + Sub woofer (not sure about that one, I'm not really a basshead)

I'm not going to ask for specific recommendations right now (it wouldn't hurt but I probably won't be able to afford it before summer 2017, I was thinking of spending anywhere between 500 to 1000€) since I have to buy a new PC and new furniture first but it's precisely because I'm gonna buy furniture that I want to make sure I've got the correct setup down.

So if I were to use an EQ would it be a physical thing or are there digital options?

>>57773418
mine still say "preparing for shipment" but they're supposed to ship today

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My HM5's shitty plastic gimbal cracked yet again... Are there no compatible headbands other than the overpriced fischer stuff or some shitty 3d printed crap that won't fit properly?

Buying new set of headphones soon; what's /g/'s recommended (£200). Considering, Sony's MDR CD900ST

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Hello p/g/gots, why do you think the HD600 is better than the X2? The X2 has clear and non boomy bass and just extends low, superior fit, finish and comfort + its real high end and not snapheisers HD666. Detail is the same, but X2 is far wider and sounds like speakers.

Why do you settle?

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>>57762821
Why did you put Heinz 57 sauce in your HD800?

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What's the point of these threads if you faggots keep circle jerking your same shitty headphones over and over again

You're all literally no better than reddit

>>57762821
What are people's opinion on the phillips fidelio x2's?

>>57763363
Really depends on your preference in sound and taste in music.
Always do research before buying.

>>57772321
PMx2 isn't neutral.
>>57772476
Now this is misinformation, HD600 is more neutral than DT880 and HD650.
>>57774683
Because it sounds like shit, even the SHP9500 outperforms it and it's far cheaper.

>>57763767
Koss Pro4AA aren't too bad for the era.

>>57774683
>>57774762
who are you fags even referring to

>>57774792
>thinks his cheap fedora outperforms the same fedora makers top of the line fedora touted and as one of the best sounding headphones ever by critics

You dont know shit about earfedoras my friend

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Is this accurate?

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>>57768087
Stay salty libfag.

>>57775233
this gif makes me very uncomfortable

>>57775230
Replace water dog with cat

>>57775247
Embrace the Farage.

>>57774792
>PMx2 isn't neutral.
More neutral than the HD600, at least.
>HD600 is more neutral than DT880 and HD650.
That is objectively wrong. DT880 is more neutral overall.

>>57775459
>DT880 is more neutral overall.
The DT880 has a massive treble peak while the HD600 rolls off sooner. I'd say they're the same in overall neutrallness

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>>57775477
880 edges it out.

Not for headphones but for a separate mic, can be desk or attached to headphones.

>Budget
£15
>Location
UK
>Source
PC

Just want something cheap that doesn't sound crap.

>>57765964
DT770 80/32 ohm

>>57775546
Tyll says that the HD600 is more neutral

>>57775607
Subjective opinions are meaningless.

>>57772132
SMSL M3 (I have this and it's fantastic) or E10k

>>57764341

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   Then how about a nice anal sex?;3

>>57768581
>I like treble rape

>>57776218
The 880s have it too

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what did he mean by this?

>>57776020
dafuq

>>57775549
You good with clip ons?
Sony makes a really nice one. ECM CS3.

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what's a good DAC for DT 770 Pro to use it with foobar2k and asio drivers

what's the difference between ASIO and WASAPI?

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You have no idea how fucking fabulous ws99 sound now thanks to you guys!

>>57775459
You're wrong on both points, there's tons of data to prove that HD600 is more neutral than both of those headphones.
>>57775546
Nice cherry picked comparison.

>>57776316
It's there you poop from.
Something completely wrong happen with 4chan...

>>57769961
kek

>>57765964
sony h.ear on

Are the Audio-Technica ATH-AD700X any good?

>>57774762
I wish people would talk a bit more about amps and shit outside of open trio.

>>57775607
>>57775607
tyll is deaf

>>57777153
No need to talk about Amps/DACs they're solved.

>>57773418
Mine will arrive on Monday anon.

I still can't believe we manage to grab these for $37.

>>57777244
There are things that exist outside of odac and sheeeeeit stack that are not $2k and that do things differently without even crossing into tube amps. Instead this general is an eternal Sennheiser 600/650 vs Beyers 880/990 vs AKG 701-7xx wank/shitfest with occasional closed participants.

>people saying the DT880s are ear rape treble
how to find a nigger

they haven't even tried the AKG k701s prolly

is there a decent, common v-shaped headphone i can try out at best buy or something to see if i like it? the only pair i've owned is pretty neutral, makes it hard to look for upgrade recommendations

>>57777577
Press the ''loudness'' button on your EQ
There's your v shape

>>57777627
oh
it sounds like shit

>>57776481
>there's tons of data to prove that HD600 is more neutral than both of those headphones.
Surely you would provide said data about the HD600 specifically being more neutral than the PMx2, right? You'er totally not just pulling it out of your ass, right? So let's see it ,because the only measuerment comparisons thus far have been to illustrate how much more neutral the PMx2 are.

>>57776481
>Nice cherry picked comparison.
Every other measurement of the DT880 and HD600 (aside from your cherrypicked, garbage Goldenears measurements) show the DT880 being flatter across the range, with the exception of the treble and upper midrange (hardly), while the HD600 are flawed in the sub bass, mid bass and treble regions.