/hpg/ - Headphone General

>>57749768
Sennheiser HD600 vs Hifiman he-400s. Who and why?

>>57749793
Neither of those are a K702

>>57749793
I prefer HD 600 for comfort and for flatter response.

What TH-X00 is the best TH-X00, Mahogany, Ebony, or Purpleheart?

K712 or HD650?

>>57749828
K702 is cheaper and better than the K712, stop asking about that thing

>>57749768
WTF WHY ARE THERE SKELETON IN MY HEADPHONE??

>>57749835
What makes the k702 better? They don't look that different.

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/AKGK702.pdf

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/AKGK712.pdf

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>>57749768
to people who listen to edm, get hifiman orthodynamic headphones

>>57749856
Thing is they don't, the only difference is the K702 is a great deal cheaper for roughly the same sound

>>57749804
I was close to getting them but for me HD600 sounded softer and more 'natural' and I knew I could listen to them all day without getting tired. If I go crazy and start buying different headphones I will definitely get some of the AKG, they basically have everything I would wish HD600 to have.

Now the real questions is, what headphones have good qualities of both HD600 and K702.

>>57749856
If you want the cheapest possible then get the K7XX

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-akg-k7xx-red-edition

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memes

>>57745307

Post from last thread. Pls respond

>>57750295
K553 pro

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How meme'd did I get? Is it at least an upgrade from my current M50s? They won't arrive till thursday.

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>Preferably less than $300. $400 max.
>United States
>Source: My PC
>Prefer over-ear
>Open
>Comfortable enough to wear for 8-12 hour periods
>Not sure what sound signature I would like as I haven't owned many pairs of headphones. Guess I would prefer neutral.
>Current headphones are Panasonic HTF600's

>>57750327
I am so fucking tired of seeing the word meme associated with it

Yes it is a straight up upgrade, it is roughly on par with the m40x but feels better to wear

I ordered

Beyerdynamic DT-990-Pro-250

For $100, did i do good or are those headphones shit

>>57750358
well if you dont like the term "meme" just think of"bad choice" when you see it

>>57750295
Neutral: MDR-7506
Warm: XPT100

>>57750309
It's not neutral nor warm, it is very inconsistent with seal so you don't even know what it is when someone wears it. It's a headphone that requires you to test it before saying if you like the sound signature because it is anything from bright nobass to V-shaped.

>>57750358
How about muffled shit instead of meme?

>>57750360
That's a great price.

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Any replacement recommendations for my Jaybird SB1 Sportsband? Loved them but the battery got old. They are water resistant and I can only find earbuds as the next best thing. Took it apart and I can't find the same battery online.

Thanks

>>57750510
There is a generic brand of these that I forget the name of. Around $30. Might buy that and take the battery out to fix mine.

(reposting)
>strictly up to 200euros
>eu
>computer
>full sized I guess?
>I think closed might be more suitable (because noisy office) but I'm not against open
>comfort is an absolute MUST. I need to wear these at work up to 8 hrs a day.
>I dunno, I need advice on this. I do translation work with long interviews, so the most important thing for me is that human voice sounds as clear as possible. Might also use them for some music listening but that's not their main purpose.
>some Bose OE with godawful bass that are uncomfortable as hell, irrelevant anyways
I wore the Boses for 7 hrs straight the other day and they killed my ears, wanted to set that shit on fire. I need something better.
anyone?

>Budget
50-100€
>Location
Spain
>Source
PC, Smartphone and MP3
>Type of headphone
IEM
>Open or closed
-
>Comfort level
-
>Sound signature
bass boosted
>Past headphones
Piston v2 and v3 (both broken)

>>57750456
how about people just stop saying fucking stupid shit and say 'bad choice' to start with

>>57750874
>Complaining about what others say on 4chan
W E W L A D
E
W
L
A
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>>57750295
Sennheiser HD 4.30G

>>57750755
HD 558 and all the other similar models, I have 558, they're extremely comfortable, I can sit with them the whole day without any discomfort, only on summer it gets kinda hot and sweaty under them
con is that they're open, which might be horrible in workplace

>>57751259
thanks for the input, I'll look into them, but I have a feeling closed might be a better choice. Been looking at ath m50x and sony mdr 7506

>>57749868
why orthodynamic?

>>57751294
Well there are the HD598CS or CE something like that that was popular this black friday sale, for 100 I think, but I'm not sure how good they should be on sound, since they were meant to be open back, but are closed, although probably sennheiser didn't do anything too stupid, the comfort should be the same as they all use the same design. That design is famous for being extremely comfortable, when I tried to ask here for more comfortable headphones, no one really answered anything else

Oh hey, just what I was looking for. Very nice general thread.

>Budget: 500-700usd but I can stretch to 900ish if that range has some amazing choices.
>Location: Sweden
>Source: PC to a Firestone Fubar IV
>Type of headphone: Over ear
>Open or closed: Either
>Comfort level: Don't mind comfortable ones.
>Sound signature: I prefer balanced, but if I had to choose it'd be the lows.

I've had a pair of Denon DH-2000 fora good while now, starting to fall apart and it's about time I went a step further.

Are HD 6xx as good as they sound, or are they just a meme
Also amp is definitely a must for them, right ?

>>57751376
Depends on what you want. The Massdrop price was great. Whether you need a new amplifier depends on what you have right now. They are a little bit insensitive so you might need something more powerful than motherboard codec. Might, I said. Better try it out with what you got before jumping into another purchase.

I mean are they really HD 650 but better, because for that price that would be very great
I have HD 558 atm, I use them from the computers motherboard that is old, even if I plan to upgrade to a newer motherboard, I doubt that would be enough for them

>>57751487
meant to reply >>57751454

Ok so I bought these Sennheiser HD 201 because I wanted something cheap and now my laptop won't even recognize them.

They work fine on my phone, but not the fucking laptop. I know it's not busted because my previous headset still works. What's the deal?

are expensive headphones ever worth it?

>>57751624
depends on how much money you have

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>>57749889
>>57749856
>>57749950
K702 is a lot different from K712: different drivers, different pads and different build.
IF graphs are bad, use HeadRoom instead (pic related). Compared to K702, K712 has massive and bloated bass, harsher treble peaks and worse dips.
K7XX is theoretically an improved K702: it has the same pads and structure as the K702 Anniversary, which offers better seal and a 3dB bass boost below 100 Hz compared to the K702. Actually, the sound differences between K7XX and K702 aren't as big as measurements suggest. K7XX is good for US citizens, for everyone lese K702/K701/Q701 are always ok.

>>57749934
>Now the real questions is, what headphones have good qualities of both HD600 and K702.
None. Either you boost 2 khz and 6 khz in order to obtain better clarity (like K702 does), or you decrease those frequencies and make music veiled (like HD600 does). Period.

>>57751624
Below €350? Absolutely yes.
Above €350? Not really.

>>57750309
>>57750506
>>57751215
Those all seem a little large and cumbersome for traveling with. Maybe better for using at home.

Anything a little cheaper and less bulky?

>>57751350
HD800

I'm curious about what "good" headphones sound like if the K712 are shit, looks like some people absolutely hate the K712. I've had the K712 for like a month and i like it a lot. I considered HD 600 and HD 650 but they are 50€/100€ more expensive respectively.

shame none of my friends have those so i could try them out

>>57751836
>I've had the K712 for like a month and i like it a lot
It means that you like a V-shaped sound. Period.
The best headphones are neutral, which means that they sound more balanced.

>>57751674

How about Sony MDRXB400 or Koss Porta Pro? Are they any good?

>>57751294
M40x are the golden standard; compared to the M50x they dont have nigger bass (boomy bass) and non piercing highs, more detail. The Sonys are more analytical.

>>57751350
Hifiman 560

>>57751851
I can't really say what sound i like since i've tried 2 headphones in my whole life lol... Had Superlux 668B before these and when i had them i thought they sounded good. Now they sound garbage because i've used K712

>>57751487
My phone drives HD 650s quite nicely. It's not guaranteed that you need/don't need an amplifier.

>>57751659
Could you try asking something more subjective? Oh wait you can't.

>>57751912
Fug, meant for
>>57751624

>>57751350
HE-560 is a solid recommendation.

Im searching Headphones 4 my girlfriend. She never had decent ones.
>Budget
100€
>Location
Germany
>Source
Smartphone, Notebook ect.
>Type of headphone
On ear or over ear i guess
>Open or closed
I think closed, for use in public or even libary.
>Comfort level
Comfy
>Sound signature
Even, maybe warm
>Past headphones
Shit

>>57750510
Anyone?

just arrived my new memhaiser 598cs
the comfort is really good

>>57751864
>>57751956
Wowee, those are some luxury headphones.
How come the impedance is so low though?


>>57751715
Ah yes I remember these when looking before, still this expensice huh.

Thanks guys.

>>57752383
they still require a lot of power even though their impedance is low, probably like 10 times more than headphones like HD 600/650

>>57752437
Considering the Fubaf IV can drive heavy headphones, I doubt it's worth using it with something like the two recommended headphones..?

>>57752578
according to this http://www.head-fi.org/products/audiophile-products-fubar-iv-plus-silver-usb-dac-headphone-amplifier/reviews/11402

the amp hisses with low impedance headphones, so something like hd800 would probably be better because it has high impedance

Thoughts on the HD800?

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Has anyone ever used these Sony MDR-15 headphones from the 90s? My grandfather in law just gave me a box of electronic shit and this was in it. They don't have the pads but they look like they'll work.

>>57752383
>How come the impedance is so low though?
Because that's how the driver is designed, more precisely that's how the wiring on the diaphragm is laid out in shape, length and thickness. That's mostly what defines the impedance. Many planar magnetic headphones have relatively low impedance but can still be quite insensitive like HE-560. You shouldn't pay any attention to the impedance, really. It's not important here.

>>57752578
The specs of that I managed to find are very ambiguous. Power output isn't stated at all. It's hard to say how much power it has but given it is a discrete amplifier, it's safe to assume that it's decently powerful for most loads. HE-560 isn't the hardest one on the market, should work fine.

>>57752653
Excellent except for the stock FR. Very linear response, very tolerant of leak, very tolerant to positional changes on your head, low distortion, very good quality control and build(channel matching, construction), well extended response, replaceable parts, decent resale value and most people, me included, would consider it comfortable. It's a little insensitive, you might need an amplifier for a decent volume and use parametric equalizer to tune the sound signature. Looking past those issues it's one of the best headphones on the market, imo. Without the aid of equalization, it's a little bright and harsh. Not extremely so but depending on what are you used to, it could be unpleasant. Trivial problem if you have PEQ.

AKG K702 or Beyerdynamic DT880 250Ohm?

For listening to classical, blues, jazz and classic rock.

Or perhaps another sub-$200 headphone?

>>57753616
880 no competition

>>57751671
As someone who owned the 702 and just wanted more bass, I guess the 712 are a really good choice.

>>57752784
Can't believe I would see these on here,
much less I'd be able to answer this.

Yes. For what they were and are worth, good soundstage. That MEGABASS is definitely there but pretty muddy. Highs and mids are nice and clear though.

I'm reposting this from the last thread! I got some solid advice previously, but I'm wondering more and more if an open back headset is worth it. I don't want to make others living in my house miserable.

>Budget
I have up to $300 to work with including mic/potential amp.

>Location
I'm shipping to the US.

>Source
I have a dedicated soundcard that I received secondhand (Xonar Essence STX II), though from what I understand it's no substitute for an amp.

>Type of headphone
I definitely want over-ear headphones.

>Open or closed
I think I prefer closed since I live with another person, but I've never worn open headphones and don't know how much sound leakage there really is. Would it bother someone sleeping nearby if I had the volume at a reasonable level? What about someone a room over?

>Comfort level
Comfort is important to me, but build quality and sound quality are more important to me. Things like the m40x don't even sound worth it due to the potential for skull-crushing clamp, but I think I could be convinced. Portability is completely unimportant, so giant squishy cans that can't fold at all are a-ok.

>Sound signature
A neutral sound is the most appealing to me, but a bit of a v-shape doesn't sound like it would be awful. I'm using these just for listening. A fatiguing treble sounds like something I would most certainly not enjoy.

I listen mainly to various flavors of electronic music, noise, and drone.

>Past headphones
Shitty headsets and cheap earbuds. Probably anything would be an upgrade, but I'd rather get the most for my money.

>Some headphones I am considering
HD558
MSR7
Fidelio X2
K702

>>57753657
What would be a good portable DAC/amp for the DT880s?

Buying it as a present for someone who travels so looking for a DAC/amp combo that is relatively light to carry in a laptop bag or backpack.

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K712 on the way :D

Reposting from previous thread.


I'm looking at the sennheiser hd 599. I went to a store and put on some hd 559 and they just feel so comfy. is the hd 599 a good choice? I dont mind spending 50 bucks over the hd 598.

>>57753759
something like s schiit fulla or cheap fiio/smsl

>>57751671
The graph doesn't show the whole picture. The memory foam actually changes the way it sounds in the mids. Difficult to measure but the K712 sounds very much like the K702 but with some nigger bass added.

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>>57751671
> HeadRoom
I highly doubt the K712 have the same ammount of bass as the DT990

>>57753760
Infinitely jelly of you fuckers.

>>57753760
how.

>>57753783
I've actually been looking at the Schiit Fulla but I was afraid it might not be able to drive them.

Is it powerful enough?

By the way, how do the ATH-M50x compare to the DT880s

>>57749768
My HD668B's wires broke once again so I decided to get another pair of headphones this month. What would be a good replacement? I prefer open and neutral ones (the superlux ones were pretty much perfect for the price)

>>57753861
an iphone is powerful enough for the 250ohm dt880

ath-m50x are garbage, they are not comparable.

>>57753825
It is broadly elevated. It's all relative and visually dependent on where the graph is normalized. DT990's most prominent area is the treble mountain anyway. It isn't that bassy.

>>57753914
OK, thanks.

anyone here tried ABX testing for transparency? just got 16/16 with 192kbps mp3 vs flac, 224kbps i couldn't hear a difference at all.

so the magic number for me is 200 something kbps apparently

>>57753936
I've owned the DT990 and to my hears they sounded very boomy and ear piercing. Two opposites fiercely clashing together while the mids were just sitting there like that unpopular kid no one talks to. Very unpleasant experience.

I've been trying to guess how the 712s sound like without acutally trying them. I've owned the 702s in the past and while I really liked them, the bass was very lean. Have no idea what store could have them for audition nor do I know anyone that could lend them to me.

>>57753616
If you like pain, DT880.
If you want accuracy for a little sacrifice in the bass region, K702.

>>57753738
If you really wanted to sacrifice a little detail for a warmer sound, you should have got the K612 PRO, which is arguably the best open AKG in production and one of the best open headphones as well.

>>57753812
Nah. K712 sounds still bloated compared to K702.

>>57753825
DT990 are horrible headphones and yes, K712 isn't much different actually.

I'm currently using a Lepai 2020 and some Klipsch speakers and I have a paid of HD558 I need to get setup with a headphone amp. The audio jack on my PC broke the other night so I was wondering how I could go about this I was looking into the Topping TP30 mk2 or the Audio engine D1 Would the topping be better to just replace the Lepai or should I keep the Lepai and pair it with the D1?

>>57754258
>If you really wanted to sacrifice a little detail for a warmer sound, you should have got the K612 PRO, which is arguably the best open AKG in production and one of the best open headphones as well.
I've also owned the K612 and they sounded terrible. Very anemic, very tinny

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>>57754159
One more thing: the comparison between the K702 and the 250 ohm version of the DT880 isn't really fair. If you're interested into the DT880, get the 600 ohm version: it's much better.

>>57754279
Strange.

>Budget
25 dollars / 25 gbp
>Location
UK
>Source
nexus 5x
>Type of headphone
in-ear
>Open or closed
n/a
>Comfort level
dun curr but pls no ear hook thingy
>Sound signature
what
>Past headphones
xiaomi piston 3 (left side broke after dropping them)
sennheister cx300-II (fucking broke after 2 weeks of treating them nicely)

I got the 598 Cs from the sale, but I haven't opened them. I see a lot of conflicted views both ways.
The only good pair of headphones I have ever owned was Sony MDR-V6, and those broke last month. If I loved those, should I keep these or look for something new? I am a complete headphone novice, I just know I liked the MDR-V6.

>>57751856
I think analytical is exactly what I need. thanks for the advice

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Anyone have these? How do they compare to the memeheisers? The DT 770?

Reviews say they're pretty good, even at the $300 pricepoint, and I can get them for 150 euros.

>>57754279
Dont listen to that cuck, the 612 is and always will be inferior to the K7 series

>>57754159
>>57754299
Pain? Can you elaborate on that?

>>57754451
They are better than both but the MDR 1r is the same as the MDR 1a minus a bit ob build quality but the MDR 1r is a lot cheaper last time i checked

>want Sennheiser momentum 2.0 on-ear wireless
>on sale for 50% off
>mom didn't buy them during cyber monday
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

You people who use different pairs of headphones, do you ever get used to the difference in sound when you switch between them? I use a pair of on ear Bluetooth headphones when I'm not at my desktop which sound more flattening, not as detailed, doesn't have as much bass and as wide of a soundstage as my AKG K240's I use at my desktop so my AKGs sound like doody whenever I use them.

>>57749846

More like, why is that skull too small for that head? What, am I supposed to believe his chin skin is inches thick?

>>57754520
250 ohm version has more painful treble and it's more v-shaped than 600 ohm version

>>57754623
it's zeos selfie

>>57754637
So K702 are better in that regard?

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>budget
100$ or less
>open or closed
Preferably closed
>Uses
Gaming, EDM
>Location
US
>Source
Computer for now, looking into getting an amp soon
>Comfort
Wearable for long periods, will be wearing glasses
>Signature
Don't care
>Past headphones
lol

Pls

Have a le headphones around boobs girl

>>57754637
Will this shitty idea ever die that the higher impedance DT880s are better or even any different to the lower impedance versions sound wise?

>more v-shaped
Even if you quote the GE measurement which I'm expect to be presented next that isn't true.

>>57754676
Yes, unless you are getting the 600 ohm, the K702 is better and even then the K702 can be arguably better than the 600 ohm one but less so than the 250 ohm

>>57754718
What portable amp could be paired with the 600ohm DT880s?

>>57754680
DT770

>>57754769
Something powerfull i assume, my fiio e10k isnt powerful enough to drive mine

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>>57754676
I've been using the K702 for listening to different music genres for almost a year now, I'm always pleased by its sound.

>>57754706
>Will this shitty idea ever die that the higher impedance DT880s are better or even any different to the lower impedance versions sound wise?
Never because it's true.

Also, DT880 are more V-shaped than K702, even though it's only by a small margin.

>>57754821
What do you think of the K7xx on massdrop?

>>57754821
>true
According to what?
>Also, DT880 are more V-shaped than K702, even though it's only by a small margin.
That's pretty obvious. K702 is just bumpy. Hump in midbass, 2KHz and then high treble peak(s).

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>>57749768
Well, it finally happened. After wearing IEMs for years for 8+ hrs a day, I'm starting to feel the pain in my ears as soon as I put them in. It's just an uncomfortable, heavy-feeling pain.

What do I do now?

>>57754879
see >>57751671

>>57754883
yeah sorry, I got the wrong chart.

>>57753027
>Without the aid of equalization, it's a little bright and harsh.
It's also muddy as hell because of the 3k 'dip'.


Also to the person who is considering K702 vs DT880, get the DT880 and ignore the AKG shill. K702 has inconsistent fit and this changes the headphone response a lot. The DT880 is by far the superior headphone. If you can afford it consider HD600. The consensus is that:

HD600 > DT880 > K702

>>57754979
> the consensus is that HD600 wins everything
What an original argument!
Please keep going, Franz.

>>57754979
> K702
> inconsistent fit
Literally a legend perpetuated by Reddit or Headfi lurkers. Unless you have a dwarf's head, you wont' have any problem with them.
Check Rin Choi's measurements and evaluations on the K702.

>>57754966
Get CIEM.

>>57754979
>It's also muddy as hell because of the 3k 'dip'.
>muddy
Definitely not the way I'd describe it. It sounds distant because of that area is a bit recessed and the following treble peak is so prominent. The broad midbass boost is making it a little full and thick sounding, and also gives it some warmth. All of these are rather moderate and like I said, really trivial if you have PEQ.

>>57754966
1. Stop using them.
2. Monitor the situation.
3. Make an appointment with a doctor if it gets worse.
4. Before using them again wait for the pain to go away and use antiseptic to clean the in-ears, wash/change the tips and change filters.

Lymph node(s) swollen? Pain inside the ear canal or outside of it? What in-ears?

Bumping>>57754265

Bought some Beats Studio 2.0 for my father as an early Christmas gift since he wanted specifically those. Tried them on and thought they were super comfy since I never tried over-ear headphones before. Made me want some actual good headphones, getting tired of my sony headphones.

What are some /g/ recommended wired over-ear headphones? Looking for some comfy headphones I can use for my PC and occasionally a handheld console. I'd prefer to not spend any more then $150. Noise canceling heavily preferred.

>>57749768
>those bumps digging into the skull

>>57755027
Surely all those people that claimed they have no bass are lying right? They're all Sennheiser shills right?

>>57755490
>akg headphone.jpg
>>57755027
Harman confirmed it.

>>57755523
>b-but muh harman
they are gone fuck them, we samsung now

>>57755523
Harman are a bunch of cucks who cares?

>>57755560
Enjoy your exploding headphones, faggot.

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I currently own HD600's and like them, should I:

1. Get an AMP/DAC whatever the fuck they are.

2. Get some HD800's.

???

>>57751295
For that bass.. duh.

>>57755762
>HD600
Meant to say 650, not that theres any real difference from what I gather.

Also I'm currenty running them off my motherboard.

>>57755762
if your soundcard is shit then get the amp/dac otherwise it really isn't worth it. the sound quality difference isn't that noticeable unless you're buying a very high quality dac/amp which can cost as much as the HD800s.

Should I get myself a 85€ akg k240 MK2 or a hyper x cloud 2 if I want to use them for gaming+music?

>>57755897
K240

>>57755501
>Surely all those people that claimed they have no bass are lying right?
No, but they're probably either accustomed to bassier sound profiles or they're not driving them correctly.
> They're all Sennheiser shills right?
damage control?

>>57755523
> Harman
Those don't know shit about audio after all, then I'm not surprised.

>>57755897
never buy a gaming headset, even for gaming. a good high quality headphone paired with attachable mic is light years better than any gaming headset. personally i prefer the dt 770 for gaming.

I removed the speakers from my setup because they take up a lot of fucking space.
I love to listen music but want something with good bass, and loud and high quality sounds.
Current headset is a Hyper X Cloud, what would be good?
Would like if it's closed, comfortable, and etc.

>>57756025
dt 770
good bass, closed, and one of the most /comfy/ headphones

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>>57756051
>one of the most /comfy/ headphones
I must have a weird right ear. I had the DT990 and the right pad hurt the top part of my ear a fucking lot. I had no way of adjusting them without causing pain to my ear.

>>57755922
>No, but they're probably either accustomed to bassier sound profiles or they're not driving them correctly.
It has been confirmed that the K701 has bass leakage among some listeners. A panel of TRAINED LISTENERS described the spectral balance of the AKG as being bass light.

>budget
$150 or less
>open or closed
Closed
>Uses
Gaming/General PC use
>Location
US
>Source
Computer/Consoles/Phone
>Comfort
Comfortable preferred since I always have headphones on
>Signature
Don't care

>>57756051
>>57756106
My Hyper X Cloud headset is so fucking comfortable, which is why I am afraid getting another headset.

>>57755958
Hyper X Clouds have superb build quality. I have used them every single day for hours for an entire year or more and it still looks brand new.

>>57756106
that's odd. i've tried on on like 10+ high quality headphones and the DT series have been the most comfortable. i can literally wear them all day and my ears won't be sweaty or uncomfortable.

>>57756152
>Hyper X Cloud headset
Any can any else vouch for their quality? Are they over ear?

>>57756137
Sony mdr?

>>57756152
that's because your standards are really low

>>57755922
>or they're not driving them correctly.
How would not driving them correctly cause the bass to become less? A bad amp would just cause low volume and audible clipping.

>>57756209
Sorry, forgot to mention im looking for something with noise canceling.

>>57756208
i guess they're vouched for by /v/ and GaMeRz but not /hpg/ regs

>>57756254
>>57756208
Nevermind, didn't know it had a microphone attached.

>>57756227
Not really sound cancelling but ATH-M50x seems like it would work for you.

https://www.amazon.com/Sony-MDRV6-Studio-Monitor-Headphones/dp/B00001WRSJ
These any good?

>>57756300
>>57756300

i wouldn't recommend m50x because they're pretty uncomfortable and your ears get sweaty very easily after a couple of hours.

>>57756326
>your ears get sweaty very easily after a couple of hours.
Wouldn't any over-ear headphones have this problem?

>>57756325
meme headphones but still better than something like beats headphones

>>57756343
>meme headphones
?

>>57756106
>>57756051
I also have the DT990 and think they are absolutely uncomfortable. I have the PRO version and the clamping force is way too high for me.

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Fuck me I bought it the day it released and still got a month delay.

>>57756339
ath-m50 specifically uses leatherish padding (think of your skin on leather on a hot day) and the clamp is very tight. there are over-the-ear headphones that uses something like velour pads which doesn't cause this problem.

you could buy the m50x and switch em with better padding i guess.

>>57756208
>>57756214
The headset is fine, it's made out of metal, and has extremely good cushioning.
I am not the only one that thinks they are good, ask anybody that owns the thing.
Don't fucking judge shit without even have fucking used it.

Everyone told me that Brown switches feel terrible and like they have dirt in the keys and when I got my hands on a keyboard they were amazing.

>>57756401
Anything like the m50x that has noise canceling?

useless retarded posts: the thread

>>57756473
that's because those others have only use gaming headsets and not high quality audio headphones. if third worlders could eat at mcdonalds they'd think mcdonalds was a luxurious food.

also
>you fell for the brown switches meme
should've gone with torpor switches, mate.

>>57756534
How did I fall for a meme if I enjoy them and think they are good? Fuck you cunts. Everyone is different. I had a Blue switch version of this same keyboard and it was fucking terrible, I couldn't write properly with it.

>>57756506
noise cancelling is a marketing buzzword meme. just think of it as close vs open headphones. there are plenty of comfortable close headphones out there.

>>57756570
Sure but what closed headphones would you actually recommend?

>>57756592
M40X + HM5 Pads. Better than the M50X's and still cheaper in the end.

>>57756626
So https://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-ATH-M40x-Professional-Monitor-Headphones/dp/B00HVLUR54
and
https://www.amazon.com/Brainwavz-Velor-Memory-Replacements-Earpads/dp/B00MFDX4YO
?

I wasn't even aware you would switch out earpads on headphones. Is it a simple process?

>>57756689
Yeah, just pull off the pads and replace them with the new ones.

>>57756701
Thanks. It doesn't have active noise canceling(marketing meme I know) but its good enough.

what phones for the head should i get?

>>57756753
598Cs

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>>57756759
no

>>57756119
>A panel of TRAINED LISTENERS described the spectral balance of the AKG as being bass light.
Not quite. They found it bass light with music, and midbassy with pink noise sweep.

>>57756709
>marketing meme I know
I don't think you what the meme is here.
Active noise cancellation is well suited to reducing low frequency noise over headphones that don't block out bass well, which is basically all of them. They can hiss and such, but they can bring their own benefits to the table.

>>57749868
Hifiman it's better for music with more bass like electronic music (EDM, techno etc ?) than HD650 or HD600?¿??¿?

I listen all kind of music , but my main is electronic and don't know what to choose for this christmas :S

>>57756844
I thought you were against noise cancelling as opposed to saying open/closed. Or was that a different anon in >>57756570 ?

>>57756759
do they hurt ears

>all that AKG shilling

What is the difference between a bad and good DAC? All its for it to convert digital to analog signals, so what are there DACs more expensive than another?

>>57756964
Distortion, jitter, signal to noise ratio, build quality
Power output, form factor, snob factor
etc

>>57757017
Which is the better DAC the O2 or Modi 2? Looking to make a purchase

>>57757055
depends on what headphones you have

>>57757055
Do you already have an amplifier?

If you do it's really a subjective decision. I honestly doubt there's any audible differences between the two. The build quality is about same I'd say. The Modi is handmade by Schiit in America and the ODAC it depends who you buy it from.

Also if you live in Europe the ODAC is significantly cheaper than the Modi here.

>>57757090
Is there a reason why the headphones matter?

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>he actually wears ear fedoras

>>57757166
modi 2 complements better with headphones that have bright mids / highs

>>57757242
What if I have a HD600 which one of the DACs would be suitable then?

>>57756844
>>57756119
Can you guys link your sources about the "trained listeners"? I'd like to know what you're talking about

what are the worst $100+ headphones you've used

>>57756906
>my main is electronic and don't know what to choose for this christmas :S
Fidelio X2

K812 worth?

Have Beyerdynamic T1, looking for something with less head clamp, my head is huge

>>57757425
aes.org/e-lib/browse.cfm?elib=17698
aes.org/e-lib/browse.cfm?elib=16874
aes.org/e-lib/browse.cfm?elib=16486

Those papers are linked the wiki, should have a few other lying around.
Should be a few other articles on Sean Olive's blog somewhere.

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I want to buy a raspberry pi, can I plug a headset than I know works on my desktop Linux computer? Will it work with the raspberry?

>>57756689
If you want isolation/minimal leaking, get the relgular leathers or angled leather Brainwavs

>>57757438
K702

>>57757438
HD600

>>57757438

DT 880 600 Ohms

>>57757941
nice bait

What would be a good dac for sennheiser HD598s? asking for a friend

>>57757968

any, even the Fiio K1

Hey senpai, care to help a guy out?
Budget: 200-300
Location: US
Source: Computer, SanDisk Clip Sport
Full-sized
Closed
Looking for pretty comfy
neutral sound signature

>>57757907
nice bait

>>57758161
Fuck off faggot

>>57757853
nice bait

>>57758189
no that one is believable

Opinions on Etynomic HF5? Considering buying them, I would like to have a pair of ER4's but it's just too much.

Friend was trying to shill to me the AD2000Xs. How are they compared to similarly priced headphones?

>>57757952

Shut up!

first time looking at quality headphones and it seems rather difficult to find confirmed non-leather headphones. they make my skin flare up and i sweat super fucking intensely.

it's probably an obscure problem, but does anyone use/know of any decent headphones that won't kill me? hopefully less than $200

>>57758218
nice bait

>>57758274
bump for this question. Also interested as I currently own the MC5 and enjoy them a lot but the jack is slowly breaking.

>>57758404
Get something with velour earpads.

>>57758404
dt 770/880

>>57750327
Let your ears decide, not random fuckers who probably don't even own them themselves.

That said, they do seem to be pretty dark. Low end might be tighter than your M50's, but I'm not sure about the highs.

>>57758434
>>57758431
thanks. appreciate the help

>>57750755
Brainwavz HM5 for closed
Sennheiser HD 558 for open

>>57754529
Mdr-1r mk2 owner here. You're better off with the 1a as the 1r whilst has a solid but plastic build it suffers from very loud cable noise, poor isolation, no bass and driver rattle. The rattle eventually vanished but that took about a year. 1a has taken care of most of these issues but I would assume that the isolation is still poor due to the similar design.

>>57751294
Neither are very comfortable.
M50X Have pretty heavy loose bass, and the highs are pretty harsh. M40X are closer to neutral, and would probably be a better choice.

Get M40X and Brainwavz HM5 pads. Pads make the comfort MUCH better. The stock pads on M50x/M40x such complete ass.

Or just get the HM5 headphone and not deal with swapping pads and all that shit.

I want a DT770 for portable use. Is there a compromise in sound quality if I go for the 32 ohm version? Can the 80 ohm version, which seems to come with better earpads, be driven by a smartphone?

>>57758581
yes the 80 ohm is easy to drive

do 712's NEED an amp or is it just recommended? I'm asking because so many people say an amp is an absolute necessity but I don't understand because my 770's are a higher impedance but don't require an amp

>>57756960
And what would you shill? Grados?

>>57754650
fucking lmao

>>57756208
Subpar sound but okay build. Better off with a decent headphone + mod mic for that faggy gaymen feel.

>>57754680
Brainwavz HM5, M40x with HM5 pads, DT770

pick one, any one

>>57758609
i'm about to find that out next week. i've noticed when i play music low volume it sounds like they are a lot more bassy than with high/normal listening volume, so maybe they will have more bass with an amp

There are some unopened Astros A50S's at my local pawn shop for sale at 75 bucks.

Now, I know most gaming headsets are mostly shit, but would 75 be reasonable for some A50S's that I could feasibly haggle down anyway?

Not attached to these, by the way. Just a passing curiosity not worth making a thread over.

>>57758670
Not unless you could resale them

>>57758670
m40x paired with an attachable mic are around the same price and you get your value's worth much more

>>57758662
any other issues? Any distortion? Btw may I ask what amp you're getting?

>>57758670
They are dogshit. Move along.

>>57758714
>>57758706
>>57758696
Kinda figured. Maybe it could have been a gem, but I knew you fuckers would know. Thanks for the advice. M40's later it is then.

>>57758709
nope, they sound completely fine and no issues. i'm getting this http://www.headnhifi.com/amplifiers/desktop-headphone-amplifiers/OBJ_O2_ODAC_digital2

i'm very pleased with the sound without an amp, but you shouldn't listen to me because this is the only good headphone i've ever used, so if they aren't optimal i wouldn't even know

Are monks a meme?

>>57756208
Well built, sound is comparable to M40x [aka fuckin good], Decent stock pads from other's impressions, but I didn't like them, but then again I find even HD 600's and Mad Dogs uncomfortable. Shows that I'm a speaker guy I guess. I put HM5's on them and they are fine for a day's use.
Mic quality is fine, though I only used it once and then binned it because I don't need it.

Only downside is they're pretty ugly. I spray-painted over the logos, and went over the red stitching with a permanent marker. They look pretty fuggin stealth now. The red just looked too gaymur.
Oh, and no removable cable, but the stock cable is actually fuckin great. Really nice braided cable, with included extension.

They're the best value gayming headset for under $150 USD. The only reason I got them was that I couldn't get M40x in Australia for cheap, and the clouds were on sale for $42 USD Pretty great deal desu.

If you don't need a headset and have enough for M40x + HM5 pads it might be wise to go that route, since they're not as ugly, and can actually fold. Cloud Cores are still better built than M40x tho.

>>57758609
they are not efficient, so yeah

>>57758748
Yes

>>57756506
No. Active Noise Cancellation is pretty hard to do right. The only one worth buying is bose QC series, and only for the ANC.

A good set of isolating cans will do pretty damn well though.

>>57758748
stop using "meme" in sentences

>>57758762
They sell the m40x at jb now thankfully. Probably for more then they are worth of course.

>>57758774
>they are not efficient
what does this mean

>>57756506
Bose qc25 are the only ones worth considering. Sound isn't as good as it should be for the price but its very good at anc.

>>57758802
Yeah, $170 kangabucks tho
It'd be cheaper to just use a US importing service to ship from US amazon.

>>57758748
No. They're pretty damn good. Warm and decent width depending on how they fit in your ears.

>>57751852
Bump

>>57758819
Power hungry. Needs a good amp
>>57758836
They were 145 last week at jb and I order shit from Amazon is all the time now. They seem to have expanded what you can get from there. I think audio technica ships to aus because I can get a ath e-40 for around 9 aud shipping.

>>57758886
9 aud being the shipping cost that is.

>>57758342
>How are they compared to similarly priced headphones?
Literally no bass

>>57758662
>i've noticed when i play music low volume it sounds like they are a lot more bassy than with high/normal listening volume
That's the same with any pair of headphones imo.

>>57758957
What headphones do you own? I can't think of any that I own that do that.

>>57758957
i'm the guy who posted that and i think you're right. i'm not 100% sure it's caused by not having an amp

>>57758819
Copy pasted from NWAVGUY's blog


HEADPHONE SENSITIVITY: Headphones need widely different amounts of power to play at the same loudness. How loud they get with a given amount of power is their Sensitivity or Efficiency. This number is properly specified as either dB SPL per milliwatt (1/1000 of a watt) or as dB SPL per volt. The older international standard used the milliwatt method and the newer method uses voltage. But sometimes manufactures don’t specify either in their specs—such as Ultrasone in the list below. The list shows a range of 87 dB to 117 dB at the same 1 mW of power. That’s 30 dB and, believe it or not, the HiFiMAN headphones need 1000 times more power to play at the same level as the TripleFi 10s! Some examples:

Sennheiser HD600: Sound pressure level (SPL) 97 dB (SPL) at 1 mW, 300 ohms
Sennheiser HD650 - Sound pressure level (SPL) 103 dB (1 Vrms), 300 ohms
Ultimate Ears TripleFi 10 - Sensitivity: 117 dB SPL/mW, 1 kHz, 32 ohms
HiFiMAN HE-5LE - Sensitivity: 87.5 dB, 1 mW, 38 ohms
Ultrasone Edition 10 – Sound Pressure Level 99 dB (useless spec!), 32 ohms

HEADPHONE IMPEDANCE: The impedance is listed at the end of the specs for each of the above headphones. It’s important to know the impedance if you want to convert between watts and volts—to say compare the HD600 to the HD650’s sensitivity. It’s also essential to estimate how much output a given source will have using a particular pair of headphones. Impedance is specified in ohms (Ω).

>>57758986
it's not a matter of what I owned. I've owned the 702s, dt990s, 612pro, listened to shitty IEMs, listened to a bunch of apple earphones and IEMs, had a creative fatality long time ago. They all behave the same - the louder the more piercing the treble and the less noticeable the bass

>>57759030
You have a bad amp. That sounds exactly like a low class amp to me.

>>57759052
a fiio e10k is a bad amp for a 32 ohm creative fatality?

>>57759030
Sounds like you have bad equipment. I can't recall my shit getting sharp treble that overtakes the bass. Mine remain balanced and all I use is a fiio e17.

>>57759009
but the 712's are less impedance than my 770's so idk how they need an amp but my 770's don't

>>57759071
Fiio e10 is not an amp. It's a dac. It's gonna distort at higher levels due to lack of power.

>>57759113
>>57759009

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>>57753760
k how

>>57759113
Read it again
This is the important bit

>Headphones need widely different amounts of power to play at the same loudness. How loud they get with a given amount of power is their Sensitivity or Efficiency.
>This number is properly specified as either dB SPL per milliwatt (1/1000 of a watt) or as dB SPL per volt.

Has absolutely nothing to do with impedance.

>>57759114
>Fiio e10 is not an amp. It's a dac.
LMH6643

i never talked about distorting

>>57759114
Oh it appears that its also an amp. Probably a weak one. Also the creative iems are not that good. It's to be expected they go to shit at high levels.

k812 or k712?

>>57759161
so only volume will be affected without an amp but the sound quality will still be fine?

>>57759170
>Also the creative iems are not that good.
So the DT990 are shit too? Cuz they're piss easy to drive.

>>57758886
It'd still be cheaper to import even at 145 AUD
M40x still dont ship to australia via amazon though. M50x do though
:(

I just bought the $99 Black Friday Amazon sale Sennheiser HD 598Cs (the closed back ones). Not satisfied with the bass at all, it's very weak. Even my HD 598s I've had for five years do better bass. Although the soundstage is pretty wide, the mids and bass are very flat. My old 598s deliver a nice bass punch, nothing overpowering, but it is there. These new ones are simply weak. Besides that, they are wonderful headphones but unfortunately I will probably return them. I am planning on buying a headphone amplifier for the first time and will make a comparison between my old 598's and the new 598Cs. I know nothing about headphone amplifiers, what would be a good brand/price range to get things started?

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Are amps a meme? You can just turn up the volume and not have to buy one.

>>57759187
Thats a damn shame. Maybe they will go on sale on boxing day.

>>57759218
Adjusting volume and amp gain are different things

>>57759190
Depends what your budget is.
Best starting amp is all DIY stuff
such as o2, CMOY, and Classic 47

you can take a look at SMSL Amps, but at that point you can get a DAC/Amp combo for nearly the same price, such as the SMSL M3, FiiO E10k, Schiit Fulla and all that

>>57759218
You can only raise volume so far before you start clipping.

>>57759178
Every device with a headphone out is an amplifier.
Some amplifiers are less powerful and have higher distortion.
If you plug an inefficient headphone such as the k712 into low power output amplifier it won't go loud. If ask a low power output amplifier to put out more than it can it will start to distort the signal.


So yeah you're correct. Also depends on what you'll be plugging the headphone into I guess.

>>57759185
Oh I get it. You're fucking retarded. If something works fine without additional power then they are fine. The discussion about if they are shit or not comes down to the sound signature, build quality price/performance etc. There are also headphones that sound great that may need an extra boost out of a dedicated amp. Like hd600s or stax.

>>57759187
storedj and addictedtoaudio both have them for 127

what are you talking about?

>>57759287
okay thank you for explaining

>>57759287
>Every device with a headphone out is an amplifier.
The focusrite scarlett 2i2 has an headphone out and but no amp.

>>57759315
Oh shit you're right
only 15 USD more than amazon
not bad

>>57756906
if you have the money, get an orthodynamic headphone. the money is really well spent.

orthodynamic headphones have very strong frequency seperation and the bass and kickdrums will sound more energetic and articulated than ever.

it's like listening to different categories instead of a whole frequency response

>>57759324
It has an amplifier.

>>57759406
Why an orthodynamic over a planar magnetic or electrostatic headphone?

>>57759340
They only ship to aus with the 99 dollar one. So that's around 130 AU before postage. It's actually much cheaper to get them from either of those places with their FREE shipping.

>>57759268
Nice, thanks. The CMOY's look really fucking cool, and are closer to my price range ($40-90), but are they worth it? I'm leaning more toward the E10k. The FiiO E10k seems like a better investment. I like buying stuff and keeping it until it breaks.

>>57759406
orthodynamic can sound great, but have shit soundstage, so if you want an all-rounder that you can use for gaming and music, then orthodynamic/planar isn't a good choice

>>57751671
hd 800's are absolutely worth the money.. the second i can afford them i am buying them. ..

>>57752034
? cd 880's ?

>>57759432
the things you listed are basically the same in it's functionality. they all have slight modifications to them to give each their own respective name.

now if you would ask me, why a electrostatic driver instead of a dynamic driver. then the answer would be acclerecation..

atomthin sheets of the electrostatic mesh just move much faster than paperthin cones thus create much more accuracy.

>>57759470
i have had akg k712 pro and fidelio x2 prior my HE-400i and i can tell that soundstage didn't imrpove, but it got overall rounder, much more live like.

with k712 pro you had the impression that due to the large soundstage, yes things get seperated but sounded sometimes too far off. at certain angles.

i can tell because i own a speaker setup which is used for this exact purpose.

the he-400i though sounds accurate or "in scale" in every direction.

Speaking of the m40xs how are they for portable use? Is the isolation good? I use iems usually but I like to switch it up every now and again. I prefer neutral sounding headphones and I have never heard an audio technica product before so I don't know what I'm in for.

>>57759545
are you talking about soundstage in music or gaming?

I have the HE-500, and they are absolutely useless for gaming. You can hear footsteps, but you have no idea where they are coming from. For music they sound great though.

>>57757201
>Using fedora meme from leddit
kys now

>>57759586
i'm solely talking about music.


the thing with games is that they don't know what kind of headphones you own and what they are capable off.. thus they are optimised by the possibilities of dymanic headphones.

i don't game in 3D sound much though. except on the Oculus Rift i own with inbuilt headphones.

>>57759586
oh and by the way.

if i use surround sound for gaming. i use razer surround which is, for me atleast the best software solution for 3d sound out there..

i'd suggest you use it too. it works pretty damn well, even on the he-400i

>>57753843
>>57759149
A whole bunch of us bought these when someone spotted the price was entered wrong by the seller.

>>57759685
Did the orders go through?

>>57759662
I just use headphone stereo for all my games, the HE-500 had a bad time

never tried that razer surround tho, might test it out, thanks

>>57759662
I'll give it a shot. I have been having a bad time with trying to hear where shit comes from on my fostex.

Are these good?

http://www.gearbest.com/earphones/pp_261864.html

>>57759706
to give you a quick explanation about how it works.

in windows, playback devices, set razer audio to default.
load up the game and select 5.1 or better 7.1 as the main output and you'll experience your games like never before.

build in 3d sound engines mostly suck. even in battlefield

>>57759731
you'll love me after this

>>57759742
Meh+ like all xiaomeme earphones.

>>57753760
Is this still available?

>>57759742
yeah these are good.

but you could save a bit and get KZE ATE for even less and better sound. if you can handle the design though

>>57759779
>kz ate
Too many fakes around to bother.

>>57759812
dunno. i bought mine from aliexpress for 8$ and couldn't be happier

>>57759706
>>57759731
if you have dying light sitting on your harddisk by any chance. try it with razer surround, it will blow your mind

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>return 598Cs last night
>order 990's
>they come in this evening
>they're better in every single way other than having a slightly harder clamp
I regret nothing.

>>57760247
not to hamper your celebrations but there's no way you can tell if something is better unless you a-b it right on the spot i've found, even then there's no real better just different because sound

Is Beyerdynamic T1 any good or overpriced?

>>57760586
I have the T1.1, I'm very happy with them, but they aren't like a HUGE improvement over the DT-880 600ohm, diminishing returns etc.

But they are more comfortable and more engaging

>Budget
<$100
>Location
EU
>Source
integrated
>Type of headphone
full
>Open or closed
closed
>Comfort level
high

So I need new pair for my fps Vidya. I can't spend a lot. Bought superlux 668B but giving them back today because they were too tight, squeezed my head too much. Thinking of getting hyperx cloud. Any other suggestions?

Why are closed back headphones so underappreciated? Why do people on audiophile forums tell me that frequency range doesn't translate to sound quality?

I like the bass from closed backs, and I've noticed that cans with frequency ranges that dip below 10hz produce more bass than those that don't. So what gives?

Any suggestions for a pair of headphones that are closed back and have a wide frequency range that provides good bass?

>>57761408
because most of the nerds here don't go anywhere around people so they don't need closed headphones

>>57759432
Orthodynamic is a bit of a generic trademark. The not-Yamaha term for it is planar magnetic (or planar dynamic).
Don't buy it for the sake of the technology, please.

>>57758274
It's the cheap man's ER-4P, main difference is cable and accessories. Just like 4P, you can add the same resistor in series to get 4S insensitivity and a high tilted balance.
A bit midbassy, the response tilts down around 6 kHz. Treble picks up a bit higher up, depending on canal fit and eartip used..

>>57758430
One pro, it has a much smaller earpiece than MC5.

>>57759009
I don't really like that explanation.

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meme

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anyone have experience with these?
are they bass heavy in general or just for the price range?

I'm here to report that the MSR7's clamping force is not bad at all.
The stock pads it comes with are pretty good too, but I'll still swap them out.

>>57754265
Just buy a 10$ usb dac with headphone out, just good as any 100$ dac

>>57754569
>Be a faggot
>Mom didnt buy me presents witj good boy points
>Suck my own dick and cry myself to sleep

how are k702's clamping force?

My OriGen+ came in today.

After finally installing the drivers, I have to say that this is a pretty nice improvement. It's notably more clear. I'm going to try messing around with an EQ later in f2k. Any suggestions for hd598s?
Also, will it work with an Android phone or iPod?

>>57761408
Because bass drowns out everything else.

>>57761637
get the k712

>>57761879
it has less clamping force compared to the k702 or is it just better you mean?

were there any good BF deals this year? I kind of ignored it because I got all the headphones I want`

>>57762251
not at all

>>57762251
No, this year kind of sucked.

>Budget
< 150 CDN (flexible)
>Location
Canada
>Source
Phone/PC
>Type of headphone
Full
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
moderate, but i can normally deal with / get used to it.
>Sound signature
prefer neutral but any is fine. Normally listen to kpop and electronic shit, so whatever is best for that.
>Past headphones
V-moda Crossfade LP2 (niggerbase was WAY to much, tons of IEM's

Mainly for use for when im in public, so portability is a must, (either a case, foldability, or not bulky so it can rest on my neck)

>>57762409

mdr v6

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Found this pair of Pickering PH-4933 headphones at a thrift store for 7 dollars.

Is there anything I can do to make them sound better?

The audio sounds kind of far away.

when nothing is playing it sort of sounds like when you hold a shell up to your ear and hear the ocean.

are these just the beats of the 1970s?

>pic related

>>57761408
>Why are closed back headphones so underappreciated?
Headphones are hard to do well, closed backs more so. Rear cavity adds bass interference and additional resonance, sealed pads can add another. Most open backed headphones have their own advantage with bass stability.
>Why do people on audiophile forums tell me that frequency range doesn't translate to sound quality?
The limit points are generally arbitrarily chosen; the range is either fictitious or uses some arbitrary unspecified definition (±30 dB or some nonsense).
Even so, the cutoff points don't tell you what happens in between.

>I've noticed that cans with frequency ranges that dip below 10hz produce more bass than those that don't. So what gives?
Assuming the spec is not useless -
It is somewhat related in that bass extension (below the driver's resonance frequency) is dependent on pressurization and leak. The driver pushes into the air cavity at some frequency without any air cavity resonances. There is no limit to bass extension in an ideal pressure chamber, our hypothetical closed earcup.

Practically speaking, it is nigh impossible to vacuum seal a headphone enclosure on a head; it will leak air. As we go down in frequency, the driver builds up pressure more slowly and allows more air to leave the chamber. The pressure eventually decreases with frequency as the stiffness of the driver limits the driver's ability to move and pressurize the chamber.
If the resonance is large, the bass extension means it won't subject to much of the rolloff.

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Need some really low-profile, high fidelity earphones. Recreational listening, A/B testing professional mixes. Thinking of falling for the Etymotic ER4XR. Tell me why I shouldn't.

Are regular Sennheiser HD 598 better than 598 Cs Closed Back Headphones? What's the difference?

>>57762790
yeah but not $50 better

>>57762790
Much better.

They're open-back and probably made better too.

The 598 is a transparent and balanced headphone, that's it's signature.

>>57762821
>>57762821
>>57762821
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