/pcbg/ - PC Building General

Should i keep my FX 8320 and buy a new mobo to overclock it or should i get skylake or something?
I also have a Radeon HD 7870 2gb and want to upgrade to an rx 480 8gb or should i wait for vega?

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Finished my build, yesterday.

A few questions:

>Is there any way to have speccy recognize the "Unknown"?
>Is it wise to OC my CPU if XMP is enabled?
I heard having XMP enabled strains the CPU and OCing will just add to it.

Thanks a bunch. And thanks to /pcbg/ for helping me out with my build, even though I didn't budge on a few components.

Any new info on Samsung's Z-SSD lineup? It was supposed to launch by the end of this year.

>>57632261
Pretty sure that image proves Apple right

Hey guys, I'm a fucking idiot. I've got a build all set up, but do I need to buy a separate wired/wireless network adaptor? There's nothing listed on logicalincrements about getting one, and I haven't ever built a PC before so I have no idea whether they're normally just integrated like sound cards or whether I need to buy them separately.

>>57633024
They're not generally included so you'll have to either use an ethernet cable or buy a wireless adapter.

Is PCI-E 4.0 worth waiting for?

>>57632783
Mine does the same exact thing in Speccy. Not sure if there is a way around it but as long as it's reporting the speed correctly you should be fine.

>I heard having XMP enabled strains the CPU and OCing will just add to it.
Not quite sure what you mean by strain, but you can get crashing enabling XMP causes your CPU to become unstable. Typically this can be remedied by increasing vcore but it really depends on how the mobo/BIOS handle things. The only way to be certain is to make incremental increases. Resetting CMOS can bail you out of brick situations in case things get fucked up.

What PSU should I look at for a celeron build with ~6 hard drives that will be on more or less 24/7?

>>57633004
Right has half the storage bays/expansion slots in the same form factor, dated proprietary components and cosmetic covers that don't do anything except trap dust.

>>57633059
>being a waitcuck

>>57632688
Pls help

Is there any advantages over controlling fans with PWM over a fan hub?

>>57633059
What do you need the bandwidth for?

>>57633092
If I plan to upgrade my graphics card in 3 years or so, since graphics cards will prob need it.

>>57633041
Oh, I see. I was planning on using an ethernet cable but had no idea if a separate wired network adaptor was necessary. Thanks.

>>57633064

Thanks. So far, so good with XMP enabled. No crashes, yet.

I'm nervous about OCing my CPU. But, once I get the balls and do it, I'll post my results.

>>57632988
I also want to know how Optane will do, the low latency sounds sweet. Will AMD even support it?

>>57633067
Seasonic makes nice PSUs. Check reviews for specific models. Can't imagine you'd need more than a 350W or 450W model for that build.

>>57633078
Can you not OC on your current board? Not worth investing anymore in your FX at this point unless you really just want to try your hand at OC'ing for fun.

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>>57633147
Motherboards come with ethernet ports so it should have been fairly obvious.

Does Corsair make higher quality PSUs compared to CoolerMaster?

>>57633198
see
>>57633024
>Hey guys, I'm a fucking idiot.
I had no idea that motherboards came with ethernet ports.

>>57633179
Was more wondering if it's worth it going for muh platinum or if its a meme?

Give me some /pcbg/ approved 1080 screens.

144hz if possible.

>>57633380
I've had ASUS VG248 24" 144hz for two and a half years and no complaints here.

>>57632688
Wait for zen then upgrade, and if the 7870 is good enough for you for the next few months then wait for vega too

>>57633059
no

>>57633468
>ASUS
>good
nice meme

>Can you not OC on your current board? Not worth investing anymore in your FX at this point unless you really just want to try your hand at OC'ing for fun.

No, i have a m5a78l-m/usb3 mobo which is shot for overclocking because of 4+1 phase. I was thinking about getting GIGABYTE GA-970A-UD3P but i dont know if its worth spending money on my FX CPU anymorr

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Will the AM4 motherboards and their chipset suck compared to Intel's Z series, say they end up being not so different than todays FM2+?

>>57633997
Nobody knows yet. Wait for reviews.

>>57633214
Yes.

>>57633082
PWM can be controlled via software. Fan hubs usually need to be adjusted with some kind of dongle or hub.

>>57633237
It's hard to say. Platinum/Gold/Silver/Bronze relates to efficiency but it makes sense that higher quality components would make their way into higher build quality PSUs for every brand. Personally I'd rather buy a bronze or silver PSU from a brand I trust than a platinum from a brand I haven't used before, but that's just me. Check jonnyguru for in depth PSU reviews. They'll occasionally review some basic units you might be looking for.

>>57633380
Same as above, no issues with my VG248 in the past 1.5 years.

>>57633638
The VG248 might be an exception. It's been pretty much universally acclaimed and is priced reasonably.

>>57633214
Corsair doesn't make PSUs, same with Cooler Master. Having said that, both have good and less good PSUs.

Both rebrand Seasonics and Cooler Master also has Enhance PSUs which are pretty great.

>>57634119
So overall CoolerMaster is a bit better?

>>57633858
I see. I would get the new mobo if I were approaching it from a hobby/fun standpoint since it's not a huge investment to pick up a single mobo as long as you have a decent power supply already. I wouldn't do it if I were looking for a serious long term upgrade at this point.

For example, what if you buy that mobo (which can technically handle an OC) and then you find out your 8320 can't be pushed that far anyway? If that would upset you then don't do it.

>>57634154
Nah, they both are pretty much the same desu.

On the lower end both have FSP rebrands.
On the decent end both have CWT rebrands.
On the great end both have Seasonics.
On the top end both have similar quality brands (Enhance and Flextronics.)

What's the wattage you want?

http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Emmeme/saved/fWr6hM

Gonna buy half the parts on black friday. (Allready have an ssd) is this acceptable?

1070 brack Friday deal or Vega

>>57634195
>Asus card
No. Go for MSI.

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>>57632261
Hi everyone! I've never built a PC before, so I've come to /g/ in hopes of getting feedback on this >$1200 build. If you have any suggestions, I'm all ears.

Also note that I've already got a monitor and an OS key, so that's not in the budget.

>>57634245
>$400 for that shit card
Buy a 1060.

>>57634245
Might want to up your SSD size to 250gb

>>57634262
Do you mean a 1070? I had a few other people suggest that, too. I honestly have no idea what I'm doing, so I didn't even realize the R9 was outdated.

If I wanted to stay AMD, what would be the equivalent to a 1070?

>>57634283
Nah, I meant 1060. But I guess that for a bit more you could go 1070.

>If I wanted to stay AMD, what would be the equivalent to a 1070?
Nothing. The 1060 is better than any AMD card right now. The 1070 just blows everything away.

>>57634283
There really isn't a direct equivalent AMD card at the moment. The R9 Fury or R9 Fury X would have similar performance to the 1070, depending on the game, but they only have 4 GB VRAM, though it is extremely fast HBM. Sometimes this isn't an issue at 1080p, but demands for VRAM are only going to go up over the years.

Anyway, if you want AMD right now and that's your budget I'd pick up the Sapphire Nitro R9 Fury from Newegg. It's been checking in at around 299 over the past few weeks/months.

>>57634214
Im going for a professional look all black and some white

>>57634342
Still, I wouldn't go Asus. If you have any issue you're in to a world of pain.

If you're going black/white, you have the Armor one on the MSI side.

>>57634315
>>57634328
Alrighty, I swapped over to a 1070, and I got a suggestion to up my HDD to a 7200, so that's that, too. Does everything look alright, then? Will it all fit in that case?

>>57634281
Any particular reason why? I figured I would just stick the OS and maybe a couple of games on the SSD and leave the rest on the HDD... unless that's a dumb idea

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>>57634342
Solution

>>57634362
>Will it all fit in that case?
Yeah, that case is pretty big.

>Any particular reason why? I figured I would just stick the OS and maybe a couple of games on the SSD and leave the rest on the HDD... unless that's a dumb idea
It isn't, per se. It's just that SSDs are getting cheaper and cheaper and you'll probably want to install some stuff on it apart from the OS.

RX 490 fucking WHEN?

>>57634190
650W+
These were the better brands I've found that are available in my country. 3 other notable ones were DeepCool, Gembird and Gigabyte.

>>57634182
Ive seen on youtube that you can push it to around 4.6 Ghz with an air cooler and compares to i5 6600k performance. https://youtu.be/xv_7GH1vUG4

>>57634361
>Concerned about warranty

>>57634380
>suggests voiding warranty on GPU to color it

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>>57634416
Get a XFX 650 XTR. It's Seasonic and it's fully modular. It might be a little more expensive tho.

>>57634422
Different anon.

>>57634393
>Yeah, that case is pretty big.
Shit, it's not too big is it? Should I switch to a mid tower?

>>57634393
Well, alright, I suppose I can switch to 250gb then. Thanks!

>>57634462
>not too big
It's pretty big, yeah.
I'd go for a mid tower, honestly.
Something like a S340. But since you want an optical drive, I guess that doesn't suit you.

>>57634462
you can get any case you want as long as it fits your mb (atx), the cpu cooler and the gpu. none of your parts are very big so pretty much any ATX case will be fine.
If you're not going to overclock I'd recommend a case with noise isolation.

>>57634454
These are the only ''good'' brands anon. No XFX.

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I already have this CPU and I enjoy it so how does this upgrade look?

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>>57632261
FIVE LOOOONNGGGG YEARS on an FX-8350. boosted from 15 FPS (very high) crysis 3 to 60-80 in 1 fucking component.

50 fps in team fortress 2 to 200 fps

same for most games. The gains are insane.

>>57634508
Hm... The Corsair CSM line is decent and not too expensive. They're no Seasonics, but the build quality is good and they have japanese caps, plus stable 12v rail.
The Cooler Master Silent Pro Gold 700w is good too.

>>57634543
Youre holding yourself back with that shit cpu. Also seagate is just terrible.

>>57634543
Ditch that ancient cpu, and buy intel.

>>57634546
Also my cpu is OC at 4.4 GHz or something around there.

>>57634546
I have amd fx 8320 and radeon hd 7870 2gb. What upgrade?

>>57634478
Hmm. Okay. Shit, I was under the impression that all of this stuff would be too much for a midtower.

Here's an interesting thought: there's a retail place down the road that sells junk, but they've got about three midtower cases that just aren't selling and they're around $30 right now. They don't look too damaged, but they won't have a warranty if I buy it from there, I think.

You think it's worth investigating that further or just going with buying online and getting a guarantee that it'll be good?

>>57634503
Again, I'm really ignorant about all of this, so If I... were to want to overclock, what would I want to do differently?

>>57634610
Either wait for zen, (which will be better than any intel right now) or get a i5 6600k.

>>57634543
>seagate

Do you enjoy having your HDD corrupted and losing everything?

>>57634610
Everything.

>>57634623
>You think it's worth investigating that further or just going with buying online and getting a guarantee that it'll be good?
Why not? After all it's just a case. As long as the cooler and gpu fit.

>Again, I'm really ignorant about all of this, so If I... were to want to overclock, what would I want to do differently?
If you want to OC, you should choose a case with a good thermal envelope, i.e.: good airflow.

>>57634635
Is there any info, prices, performance, for the zen cpus? When do they come out?

>>57634555
Would you say going for a 80+ bronze rated PSU is an absolute no?

>>57634665
>Everything
Please Explain?

>>57634665
Alright, thank you for the invaluable information. You guys are great.

>>57634642
>>57634568
fuck off dumb WD shills

>>57634671
Anywhere in Q1 2017. Apparently official info will come out at CES 2017.

>>57634543
Get Hitachi instead.

>>57634671
protip: don't wait
They'll probably be a disappointment as everything is with AMD.

If I were you, I'd take advantage of this black friday and get a solid intel platform.

>>57634688
Not really. I mean, those ratings are merely efficiency related. Although you'd think brands would use better components on a more efficient line.

Just as an example, you have bronze Seasonics and they're okay. They're just not that efficient compared to gold or platinum ones.

But since you're not looking into a known quality brand, I'd steer away from a bronze psu.

Do you have Antec PSUs in your country?

>>57634694
That CPU is a major bottleneck for any recent card and that card is quite outdated if you want to play newer games.

Anyway, if you don't have the money right now to build a new system, I'd go Intel and keep the card until I could buy a new GPU.

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>>57634718
>WD shills
Not my fault that Seagate HDDs are fucking garbage, yet I've never had a WD fail me

>>57634750
Same here.
I've got a 10 year old external WD green and that fucker never had any issues.

>>57634748
Yep an Antec TP-650C.

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Any comments on these components? I'm building a personal NAS/media-server and it will be running 24/7 so it should be low-power.

Another option would be to pick up ASRock N3150-ITX mini-ITX motherboard that has a Intel Celeron N3150 processor but Celerons have a bad stigma with them so I don't know if they are reliable enough for 24/7 usage..

>>57634816
Get that, then. It's Seasonic.

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>tfw no mini itx case that's
>simplistic
>comes with dust filters
>fully aluminium
>small form factor
>can fit aio water cooler and full length GPU

Come on Fractal, just give me a premium version of the Core 500, based off of the Define R5

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>>57634748
Also, here are all the brands.

>>57634834
Alright. It's a 80+ gold rated as well. There are some Seasonics but they go up to 600W unfortunetly. Thanks for the help anon!

>>57634846
Oh wait, scratch that, apparently the R5 also has a plastic face. God damn it Fractal, I'd pay 20 bucks extra for a stinking plate of aluminium, just do it.

>>57634857
That Antec you mentioned is pretty good. Just a shame it isn't modular. But if you don't care about that, I'd go for that.

>Thermaltake
Some are pretty good, too.

Ordering a new 500GB SSD for a new build. Should I go for a Samsung 850 Evo or a Samsung 850 Pro?

>>57634886
Stop being a faggot and just deal with the plastic. The aluminum will add nothing to the case

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My cpu fan shorted and I lost my fx 8370. I've already taken it in. No dice.
I decided that with the advent of zen coming out soon I would just get an FX 4350 to hold me over. It was on sale for $62.
It's on it's way but I'm just now noticing that modern games such as gears are asking for a 6300 minimum. Did I just fuck up? I'm a low end gamer rocking 760g asus motherboard with an rx 480 4gb card.

>>57634933
You fucked up by being a waitfag.

>>57634911
Short of shelling out for an Ncase M1 and painting it, I guess the Core 500 really is my only option. Unless there's some god tier mini itx cube that I've missed.

>>57634933
I've got an 6300 for 80. Is there a big difference between the 4350 and 6300?

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>>57634737
>>57634642
>>57634568
>>57634574
Fine you bunch of whiners. Updated.

>>57634933
Im still hanging on a fx 6100 and doing fine. Waiting for the prices to drop when zen comes.

>>57634984
>B150
Doesn't make sense if you're buying an unlocked cpu. Get a Z170 board.

>>57634958
4350 has faster clock speed, 2 less cores, and its cheaper. I didn't think cores really mattered for performance for games if you are low end. Now I'm worried if it will actually run correctly

>>57634984
Why are you getting a slim form CPU cooler in an ATX tower?

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Any suggestions for my build? I'm getting a really good price on the i7-6850k(300 bucks) and I already own the gtx 970. Also, a good monitor suggestion would be appreciated.

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/rmBXnn

Better to build a pc around 850€ with i5 6600K or i5 6500 with gtx 1060 6gb

>>57634750
And yet the only WD hard drive i had failed while all of my seagate ones survived, nice story shill

>>57635257
>getting a 970 in 2016
change that 970 to a 480

>>57635280
6500 at that price point. With 6600k you'd have to buy z170 motherboard, which are more expensive than b150/h110 ones. They're very close to eachother on standard clock speeds.

>>57635257
212 Evo is no longer as good as it used to be. Get thermalright macro. Also listen to >>57635299.

>>57635366
Thnx for the quick response

geforce experience is unnecessary and should be uninstalled, true or false? I already have NCP and this thing wants me to connect with it on facebook or some shit

>>57635257
wrong list, http://pcpartpicker.com/list/kVCMTH
>>57635299>>57635366
I already own the GTX 970, it's from my previous build.

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>>57632261
I just got this delivered today. Installed the SSD and a 500gb 2.5" slow mechanical drive from an old laptop I had for storage. Reinstalled Windows. I'm really really blown away by what I got for the money. I was even able to play Witcher 3 just fine. I can finally play Overwatch and I get to enable vsync at 60 fps for WoW instead of getting 20 fps like I did on my laptop on low settings.

Really happy with my purchase. The i7 2600 is only 17% slower single core than a i3 6100 and WoW and Overwatch are doing better on it than my friend's i3 6100/rx 470 build. I basically spent console money and got this fucking sweet machine.

So I've been considering rebuilding my rig. At the moment I'm sporting an AMD Ahtlon X2 860k I got from my uncle for free. But it isint really all that great of a chip, even clocked at 4.3ghz it feels a bit lackluster.

My budget tends to be extremely tight. So opting for the newest i5's is out of the window, even Haswell is still a little bit too expensive.

But what of even older? Something like the i5 2500k. Those things can be had for under 100€ if you know where to look. But how does it stack up?

I've heard rumours that overclocked to 4.4ghz it's only a little bit behind the i5 6400, but I've not been able to confirm that. If it's true, or if it'd even be on par with Haswell it'd still be a massive upgrade over the 860k from AMD.

Any hints/tips/suggestions? Should I opt for the older i5, or maybe the Pentium G3258?

>>57635408
Yes. The only thing about it is the automatical settings configurator.

>>57635434
In that case change the cooler and it should be fine.

>>57635446
Neat. I'm happy for you, anon.

>>57635488
The i5 2500k overclocked is a great chip. I would rather have it than a i3 6100 which can be had for the same money. The problem is finding a good mother board and spending money on the cooler. I would buy a 2500k and mobo if I could find one cheap, you can probably reuse your ram hard drives psu etc for now. Buy whatever GPU you can depending on the games. I play blizzard games and nvidia does better with them, even the 3gb 1060 vs rx 480 so I went with the 1060.

>>57635488
Remember that you need a great cooler to run 2500k at those clock speeds. Some random i3 might be cheaper since it'll run fine on the stock cooler.

Hey guys, anyone want to try some non-k OC(it still works) or planning a K series build? There is a z170 board for 75 on ebay and it looks a few sales on newegg too.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASUS-Z170-K-LGA-1151-Intel-Motherboard-/162291506589?hash=item25c953dd9d:g:ALcAAOSwB09YJ0Bk

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASRock-Z170M-Pro4S-MicroATX-6TH-GEN-PROCESSOR-MOTHERBOARD-/152282149220?hash=item2374b93164:g:iUgAAOSwGtRX0LkF

>>57635539
>>57635570
I have a spare http://www.thermalright.com/html/products/cpu_cooler/macho_revb.html

laying around I could use for the cooler. Plus I'm not all too fussed if I cant push it to the very brink. Even 4.2 ghz or something would be great.

The other concern I have is that the officially the 2500k supports only up to 1333mhz RAM. Not too big of a fuss, but I'm running 1800mhz myself. Assuming I can pair it with a quality mobo, will I be able to make the 2500k to run with my current RAM? Or should I reconsider something like 1600 instead?

Also what sort chipset is most suited to overclocking the 1155 platform? As someone who's been forced to use AMD handmedowns since 2010 I'm not exactly well versed in the Intel platforms, and their OC capabilities.

>>57632688
Wait for Vega
The CPU question is trickier because you can't OC. If you have a stock cooler I'd just keep your config the way it is. Atleast while you've got the 7870 you won't have a CPU bottleneck. If you already have a decent aftermarket cooler I guess swapping the mobo would be a good idea

>>57633024
Mobos come with ethernet adapters. Need a PCIe wireless adapter. LI is helpful but meh

>>57633059
Depends on your current setup and how long you're going to keep the platform. Unless you really need to buy now I'd wait. Right now a single Titan X(P) does not bottleneck at PCIe 3.0 x8, so PCIe 3.0 has some life in it

>>57633997
Probably not suck

>>57634182
>find out your 8320 can't be pushed that far anyway
Can be pushed at least to the boost clock, which is 4.0

>>57634245
Bigger SSD
Don't buy a 390

>>57634283
>If I wanted to stay AMD, what would be the equivalent to a 1070?
AMD has nothing to match the 1070. Have to wait until early next year

>>57634405
Early next year

>>57634543
Literally retarded. You'll get exactly the same performance with a cheaper graphics card because the CPU will be a significant bottleneck.

Do not bother with the RX480.

>>57634671
Cheap, coming soon. curry/wccftech has a bunch of articles

>>57634825
Looks good

>>57634933
Yes, return it and get the 6350 or the 8350

>>57634984
Way better, but get a Z170 mobo so that you can OC
Get 3000MHz RAM; are you sure you have DDR4 "purchased" or do you have DDR3?
Get non trash PSU

>>57635645
Your ram will just downclock to 1333. The big advantage of the i3 6100 that brings it up to par with the 2500k is the ram frequency. Being able to reuse your old ram will save you like $40. The 2500ks and 6100 trade blows. Some games do fine on the dual core, like witcher 3. Some games(cpu bound ones like blizz stuff) do better on the 2500k.

You know the sandy bridge i7's are cheap too. You can bid on the low priced ones and probably snipe either chip for less than you are planning to spend. Also look at motherboard/cpu combo listings, I have seen them from time to time.

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Thoughts?

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Already bought the case.

What cooler should I get and what components would you rather buy?

>>57635043
Horribly wrong

>>57635446
Nice

>>57635488
Get a Skylake i3 6100 because at least you'll have a modern platform with a nice upgrade path, or wait for the Kaby Lake hyperthreaded Pentium for $80

>>57633116
No it wont. I use a 1070 on a pcie 2.0 without any bandwith drawbacks.

>>57635746
For a moment I did consider the i7 2600k. But ultimately as someone who doesnt -really- do much in the way of content creation or streaming, i feel like it's not really worth opting for the hyperthreaded chip, since HT's impact in gaming is rather minimal, of course if I ever wanted to dabble with either content creation or streaming, then maybe. It all really depends on the price

And about the RAM. So if I run it with 1800mhz DDR3 sticks they'll just run at 1333mhz? (Or 1600, if the MOBO supports it) Wont that mess with the timings? Not to mention will the computer even boot to BIOS/UEFI if it's not been set to support the appropriate RAM frequency?

>>57635792
>Horribly wrong
About the compatibility for games, Mhz per core, or the number of cores.

>>57635831
Every time I have done it the ram simply clocks down. Like right now I'm running 2400mhz ddr4 on a b150 board and it's limited to 2133. I suppose you can research further.

Any one else have any input? I'm almost positive I'm right about it downclocking

>>57635792
My problem with opting for Skylake is the fact that There's no chance I'll be able to afford an upgrade. Plus I'm still a bit iffy about dual cores. In an era where six, eight and even sixteen core chips are getting more and more common, opting for a mere dual core does not feel like a viable long term solution. (There's no way I can afford to drop 80€ on a Kaby Lake Pentium, and expect to be able to get a KL i5 within six months or so).

Plus I've no real care for either 1440p, 4k or VR. All I want is a solid 1080p machine that I dont have to pay all that much for. (Price/performance ratio and all)

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>>57635779
HGST HDD

>>57635831
>HT's impact in gaming is rather minimal
Incorrect, especially looking toward the future

>>57635834
For FX CPUs the clock speed and number of cores matters. Minimum viable FX CPU is the 6300, preferred is the 8350.

t. 6350 owner.

>>57635876
You won't need an i5 in six months, but at some point you'll be able to upgrade.

>>57635856
Correct, if you're using an old mobo you might have to flash BIOS for compatability

>>57635951
>The difference between the 2500k and the 2600k

What the fuck? Every single benchmark I've seen thus far has shonw very little difference between hyperthreaded and non HT chips...

Is that DirectX12? Or DX11 benchmark? And is there a bigger sample pool than just one game? Impressive as that is, I'm hesitant to make a decition between one benchmark

>>57635792
>Krappy Lake
lul

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I'd seriously consider this for a 1080p gaming machine.

>>57636048
Isint the R9 Fury aimed for 1440p? For 1080p alone I'd probably consider the RX 470 instead. It's not as powerful as the Fury, but it's not vastly weaker either. Though they are a fair bit cheaper.

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>>57636048
I seriously would not. The Fury sucks at 1080p. It's a high res card because of bus width etc. Also hot as my balls

>>57636005
It's DX12. Even DX11 is getting a lot better

>>57635951
>somewhat pic related

I'm was a situation where my old pc died and quickly bought an i5 6600(not OC'd).
And now I'm starting to see a gpu bottleneck in CPU intensive games like BF1 MP and realized I kinda fucked up by going i5.

So I had this crazy idea, buy a X99 mbo and get a dirt cheap 2.3GHz 10C/20T xeon for now.
Then when those overclockable E5-1650 xeons drop in price, sell this one and snatch one of those also dirt cheap and OC them 4.5+

I know xeons have low clocks and that sucks for gaming, BUT, would shit ton of cores and threads at least offset that and have a similar performance of an i5 for the time being?


Is my idea autistic and should I just get a 6700K
>but want muh xeon special snowflake i don't want an i7


help

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>>57636131
>hot as my balls

lies desu senpai

>>57636156
It's a 300W card. Of course it will be hot

my parts have been in Idaho for THREE DAYS and they're supposed to be in Washington by the end of today

what the fuck do I do

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>>57634933
You'll be horribly bottlenecked

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/q2TjNN

Is this too retarded for some heavier data/image processing and occasional gaming?

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>>57635831
go for the 2500k.
with a z68 or z77 chipset.
ram will work and UEFI too
my 2500k is paired with 2133mhz.
all you have to do is set up the right timing.
got my z68 mobo refurbished on newegg.
still kicking after 3years of 4.5/4.7 daily OC

Is it hard to set up a hackintosh? It's possible to do it without having an apple computer?

>>57636131
>good at high resolutions means it's bad at lower resolutions

What did he mean by this?

is 78C an acceptable temp for a new gpu under load?

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>>57636180
>It's a 300W card. Of course it will be hot

I don't know what to tell you, other cards get hotter in games.

>>57636225
Is there any real difference betwen a Z68 and Z77? Or rather, is there any real incentive to opt for a z77 chipset, if I can find a Z68 for much less?

Sorry to sound like such a noob. I tend to know these things... But I've been using AMD handmedowns for almost six years now. So my knowledge of older Intel stuff is woefully lacking.

>>57634245
200Dolaritos for procesor...20dolaritos fo heatsink WHY?
120GB SSD WHY?
400Dolaritos for old gen graphic card
WHY?

>>57636302
I'm not talking about the temperature that the cooler can maintain, dummy. I'm talking about the amount of heat it pumps into your room

480 = 150W
Fury = 300W

>>57636329
Probably because the Hyper 212 is one of the best aircoolers out there?

>>57632783
>All this power
>1920*1080

What's it like being ignorant

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>>57636303
availability would be the only incentive i could see. Since its moar recent it should be easier to find.
having a 2500k wont give you usb 3.0 or PCIE 3,0 native support. so no real reason to buy a moar recent mobo if the cpu doesnt give you full usage of the new feature. i feel totally confortable on a z68 chipset personnaly

>>57636351
>it
>obviously means room temeprature

whatever you say, ebin ayyymd housefire memespouting kid

>>57636281
Yes

>>57633116
Ummmm lol. Pcie x 8 isn't close to being maxed out with a Titan XP, lol.

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>be me
>built pic related in April 2015
>don't really see a reason to upgrade but decide to check out what the Skylake/DDR4 equivalents of my CPU, Mainboard and RAM would cost me

mfw they're pretty much the same price that I paid for like 10% better performance

>>57636399
Not having USB 3.0 is a shame. But it's not a hurdle that would dissuade me from getting the 2500k

Nor do I really care about PCI-E 3.0 either. Since I'm using an R9 270X (With plans to upgrade to the RX-470 in the future).

So you would advice to forego the Z77 platform with a 2500k?

poorfag here

at the moment:
>i3 2x3,5Ghz(+Multihth.) with >1155 Socket
>shitty 1155 Mainboard
>Radeon RX480
>2x 2GB DDR3 RAM
>450W Power Supply

Budget: 300€

I consider to buy:
> 2x Xeon x5650 6x3,06Ghz(+Multith) (used) 70€ (140€)
> Intel S5500WB Mainboard dual Socket (used) 150€
>4x 4GB ECC RAM DDR3 (used) 6€ (24€)
> some new powersupply (to afraid of an used one) ??€
>314€

I need the Computer to Play Games, maybe VR Games (dont have VR equipment, but im dreaming) and compiling stuff and hosting a repository for my laptop.

pls help me to lower the price or improve perfomance

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>>57636574
oh, i forgot the cpu cooling,
i have a friend at the local scrapyard(im not kidding).there are lots of old office pc. Can i use a cpu cooling from them ? or is the cooling power to low ?

>>57636475
id just say go with your budget and availability.
Having a newer gen mobo cant hurt.
Just keep in mind that your mobo will have an effect on your overall system , by that i mean , ram stability , cpu overclocking potential , mainly. id rather have the best z68 instead of the lowest z77.
Both are very good platform and very well mature mobo , pick a high end one from either and you'll be good

>>57636574
Dual CPU systems are a bit... Meh? I wanna say? Server grade stuff usually lacks advanced I/O and whatnot.

Refer to this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epIlB49SNTI
for more info.

>>57636691
Allrighty. I'm gonna make sure the board has ample OC potential. Since the 2500k is going to need help with overclocking in order to remain viable today.

>>57636385
but still...

>>57636574
and i forogt that i need iommu support VT-D and VT-x for my Virtual Machines

>>57636743
It's called price to performance. No point in spending six birrion dorraroos when there's something already excellent available.

IIRC the Hyper 212 beats out some lower end AiO watercoolers.

If you had 800-900 dollars to spend on a new GPU/monitor combo would you hold out for vega?

144hz/1440p/gysnc monitors are just stupidly priced and driving me towards holding out for an amd disappointment

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Google isn't me giving anything, so I'm asking you.
I currently have one 1440p 144Hz Gsync screen and I want to get two additional screens.
Those would be 1440p 60Hz and no gsync

Playing a game across all 3 screens would gsync still work and/or would it be limited to 60Hz?

Wtf is everyone saying with vega?
Xd

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http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/zYVLwVy
Hey guys any suggestions? This will be my first time building.

Hey guys. I haven't kept up with hardware in years so I'm lost. What's the best mini itx build I can get for 400-450 dollarydoos? Thanks in advance

>>57636997
Seems like a decent all 'rounder. Though I wonder. Wouldnt it be smarter to opt for the 1070?

>>57637065
I can't since money is tight right now

>>57637083
In that case even the 1060 should serve you fine. I cant really point out anything immediately wrong with it. Though it's not gonna be 4k capable, I'm pretty sure of that.

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Final edit of the build.

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/7wMyqk

First time builder looking to take advantage of the sales happening in the next couple of days in the US. Any suggestions or comments? feel free to shit on my build, thanks!

>>57636997
Looks like a balanced build, although you'll probably eventually buy extra RAM just because and another, bigger SSD if you want to keep several AAA games installed at the same time.

Mainboard and PSU choices are good, I would have gone for Giggabyte and Seasonic if money was less of a concern.

>>57636005
>>57636475
hey man don't know if you're still here I was the guy talking to you about the ram downclocking, had to get on the bus.

Anyway I notice a small difference between say a 6600k and a 6700k(small difference between oc and stock too see here http://www.ocaholic.co.uk/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=3942 )
But there seems to be a larger difference between the older generations i5's and i7's in most games and that is growing even more now in games designed to take advantage of the cores(ex. that gow4 bench).

Look at it this way, you want to buy the least expensive least urgent parts last if you have an income. If you were gonna buy a new mobo cpu and ssd it makes more sense to not buy the ssd and get a 2600k instead of a 2500k and then buy the SSD when you can since it's only $40 for the cheapest ones. The expensive parts of the computer are the investment and so they should take priority. Buy the best parts you can. I owned a 2500k and then a i3 6100(lost the original PC) and in WoW I got the same fps with a 6100/1060 6gb as with a 2500k/560ti. What games you play are the main factor in budget builds IMO. So just make your choice carefully but try not to sink too much time into the decision.

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>2016
>only one decent all white GPU
>have to be invited to buy it
Is it possible or a good idea even to paint fans? I'm considering the Xtreme gaming, but that would require a lot of painting

>>57637176
No complaints here assuming you researched your GPU decision. The rx 480 is not universally superior to the 1060 6gb. They're each superior at different games and sometimes the difference is large.

>>57632261
All those HD 5xxx in the OP

>>57637396
Still here. I've recently invested in an SSD. Back when I still considered the 860k as sufficient enough. And while I could get ~40FPS on medium/medium high settings on Fallout 4, other games like The Crew (Yeah, I like that, sue me) and especially Guild Wars 2 (more likely due to the craptastic optimisation of the game client) tend to chug, even on medium settings.

What I expect from the 2500k is to be able to deliver, not necessarily 60fps 100% of the time (Though that would most certainly be nice). But framerates more consistent than what the 860k can muster. If you think that the i7 can manage that better than the i5, then I will take the 2600k into serious consideration

i want a build that can be my gf

Please advise.

>>57635446
Just be careful with that Shuttle.
They (at least used to) use some of the worst capacitors on their mobos that I've ever seen.
Burnt through several of them over the years.

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If I want to watercool my gpu, does it even matter what brand's card I get?

Looking at putting a 980 ti in my new build, but didn't realize there were this many versions of the same fuckin' card...

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Why is the i5-6500 more expensive than the i5-6600? Shouldn't the i5-6600 be faster?

>>57637407
all white is for chinks

>>57637732
Well not really.. You should be mindful of the waterblock though. You lose nothing by doublechecking that your desired waterblock fits with the desired brand of card that you're after.

>>57637776
>Intel lacking any competition from AMD or anyone else
>They can basically do whatever the fuck they want with pricing and clockspeeds

You can tell that Intel's not been putting much effort in when Haswell is still a completely viable platform, despite Kaby Lake already announced, and supposed to release, what? Q2 2017?

>>57637732
>does it even matter what brand's card I get?
>980 ti

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/561041-980ti-darwin-awards-help/

Don't end up like this guy, make sure the card has a compatible waterblock available.

>>57637776
Because mindfactory are turbojews.

>>57637176
May want to go with a full modular PS? Other than that looks fine.

>>57637823
>Those images
This causes me actual physical pain. Oh dear lord make it stop!

>>57637805
>Krappy Lake
lul

>>57633059
No
Behind the scenes, PCIe 4.0 isn't even ready and many manufacturers are sourcing several different chips and environments for PCIe making finalizing it even slower.
Don't expect it anytime soon, the protocol is still being optimized, and more importantly it's still being sold to manufacturers, you won't have it consumer level for a while

>>57633173
It's been put off for another long chunk of time.
And when it does come out you can bet your bottom dollar it's gonna be Intel-only
As of now there's not even a form factor that can fully support it let alone the high bandwidth and speed data lanes needed. Octane is a hard drive talking directly and constantly to your CPU, it's not something you can just plug into sata

>>57633638
Weird I only hear good things about asus latest monitors, for like several years now

>>57638065
Give it a few years. AMD is gonna copy the tech and come up with something similiar (Or atleast so one would hope.) It took a bit too long for them to ape off Hyperthreading (They're just calling it Simultainious Multithreading SMT)

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>>57637805
>>57637823
Oh shit, thanks.
I was thinking the cards themselves were identical with slightly different coolers and clock speeds; I totally could have made the same mistake...

>>57634671
No there's isn't
Nobody knows if zen will be any good, they're all just being hopeful
My guess is it'll catch up to intel's med-high end (6300s, 6500s, 6600s maybe) in single thread performance. I doubt this honestly, I think the 6600k will still reign over IPC
In multithreaded applications, I'd bet that zen will kick ass, and beat much of Intels in in perfectly optimized multithreaded programs just because of muh cores
My advice? Get a 6600 and stop worrying about next year's CPU, there isn't a high end Intel CPU made that won't cut it in the single thread

How are the Powercolor, MSI, and XFX RX 470 models?

>>57637047
Not sure what you're looking for.. if no dedicated GPU probably an i3 6100 build

>>57637179
Only get the 1070 if you have an expensive monitor

>>57637396
>in WoW I got the same fps with a 6100/1060 6gb as with a 2500k/560ti
which is high, right?

>>57637575
i7 will still last quite a while, but I would look into the 3770K on the same socket

>>57638173
It's just that everything will be cheaper

>>57635408
It scans your files and changes your setting without you knowing, as well as sending info to nvidia during any normal desktop usage
Just download the ducking drivers yourself and save yourself the botnet bloat

>>57636386

I'm getting a 1440p next month.

>>57637732
That's because they aren't the same card, they're the same chipset. The manufacturer is free to lay down components however they like.

>>57635876
AMD has been saying more cores is better for decades, see how far that got them
Intel is just now stretching past quad core and seeing very few program-specific benefits from it

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>>57638111

No need to wait, alternative is already coming.
Carbon nanotube memory.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/fujitsu-carbon-nanotube-memory-nram,32603.html

So to summarize it, NRAM is going to be hell of a lot cheaper than Optane, it's going to be just as fast or even faster and available to anyone who wants to license it and it can be manufactured with current existing methods and machinery.
Also this was pretty interesting.
>NRAM retains stored data for more than 1,000 years at 85 degrees C and more than 10 years at 300 degrees C.
So 3D Xpoint isn't going to be the only ultra fast option in town, when these things start hitting the market.

>>57635731
>Can be pushed at least to the boost clock, which is 4.0
Sure, but that objectively sucks in 2016. Just preparing him for the worst case scenario if he has visions of cranking up his 8320 to 4.8 GHz with no problems just because of the new mobo.

>>57636147
Yeah bro 10 cores means you can play all the games it'll be way better than an i5 forget that IPC and clock speed nonsense

>>57638173
I reckon Zen will be enough to challenge Skylake rather well. And even if it cant. (Let's say it's just below the i5 6400) but cheaper, it'll still be a desireable option.

I'm willing to bet that Zen, like Polaris before it will target the mid range, where the most money is. That's where they need to focus their efforts to

>>57636302
Is that the card that comes stock with a water cooler?

>>57637823
>not just modifying the corsair bracket, or using $5 worth of aluminium to make your own bracket

Christ

>>57636835
>1440p 144hz g sync monitor $500 refurbished
>1070 $400 new
There you go, that's what u did and I'm happy

>>57638269
It's almost like you took one sentence out of my whole post

>>57638288
You're thinking of the Nano, the Fury Nitro from Sapphire just has 3 fans that even switch off during idle. The cooler is significantly longer than the PCB itself though.

>>57638259
4.0 as the base is plenty high. I'd never want to OC my 6350 (which is fine at stock) to past 4.3 because of how hot they get. The wattage increase is insane past that point.

>>57636131
>It's a high res card because of bus width

You fucking what.

I know what you meant though. Fury and Fury X tended to take less of a beatdown at 1440p and 4K relative to their 1080p performance versus what you might expect based on how other GDDR5 cards perform at those resolutions. Still, that doesn't make them "suck at 1080p". That makes no sense.

>>57638283
it seems more and more that actual marketeers are here. same exact words used in each /pcbg/ same people they target

>>57638346
I shouldn't have said that it sucks, obviously the benefits of DX12 are really cool for the FX series. I'm just saying that expectations should be realistic about going from wherever he is at stock or around stock speeds with the 8320 to whatever he can get it up to with the new mobo, especially with respect to single threaded performance.

>>57638283
But who's the market? If it ends up having no single thread performance they're only gonna sell to studios for cheap and third worlders encoding blu ray rips 24/7

>>57638318
Well the whole post is retarded so...

>>57634750
I've had every single fucking WD drive fail me while only a few of my Seagate drives have failed me, and those were 2.5's anyway.

Why is the Fractal Design Define R5 so damn expensive in Britain?
Should I just get the S? Not having a DVD drive is kind of annoying, but I guess I could live with it.

>>57634955
corsair carbide 500d

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>>57638349

>>57634889
If you want a good PSU literally just get a Seasonic or any of the many major brands re brands of Seasonic or Superflower.

>>57638203
I'm the mini itx guy. It isn't for me so I'm not positive, but I think he's looking for gaming mainly

>>57638447
How expensive? You could order one from Krautland for 120€ including shipping.

>>57638416
I don't think they'll bring a desktop CPU to market that has appreciably worse single threaded performance than say Ivy Bridge/Haswell. If Zen's single threaded performance is slower than Sandy Bridge then that would be pathetic. They won't let that happen.

So yeah, if the end result is something close to Haswell, while worse than intel's current offerings, it would hardly be what I'd call having "no single thread" performance, especially if it were priced appropriately.

>>57638486
Then no

>>57634984
Just get a non k i5 if you don't want to over clock and a better PSU any of the superflower or seasonic re brands or the real ones depending on where you live.

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>>57638349
Another

>>57638507
It's about £100 from Amazon. Yet the yanks can get theirs for $70.

>>57638435
I know b-but no reason to be mean :'(

>>57638509
So unless AMD makes a bigger CPU leap than they ever have before ever, it would be pathetic?
That's what I'm counting on, pathetic IPC and powerful cheap multicore

>>57638655
I could've said nothing and let you buy an X99 mobo and a 10 core xeon to play BF1

http://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/bxQRgL

Thoughts?

Before everyone starts telling me to get SSD and 3000Mhz RAM, i already plan on getting both, i just want a basic system build atm. Will this motherboard get me the best out of my 6700k or will it bottleneck it's OC?

Anyone have any experience with a Silverstone RVZ02/ML08 or Node 202, which would you recommend?

Building a PC thats just a tiny bit bigger than a Xbox One is a really cool concept to me.

>>57638653
taxes fampai

>>57638686
I have what is pretty much the Haswell equivalent of that board and it works out great for overlcocking. If you really want to get the best out of your processor, consider any Noctua >12 cm.

>>57638686
Why would you put 2133mhz ram if you're planning on getting 3000?
Don't buy and then replace your ram that's fucking retarded

>>57638665
Zen is supposedly boasting a 40% improvement in IPC over Bulldozer

>>57638665
>So unless AMD makes a bigger CPU leap than they ever have before ever, it would be pathetic?
Pretty much. Either that or don't bother. Not sure why you are being so sarcastic. You don't think they realize how much of a catastrophe Bulldozer/Piledriver was?

>>57638549
>>57638480
These are probably outlier games but the benchmarks don't make what you said any more true or false. They still aren't bad for 1080p if they are priced appropriately. Supersampling is a thing too.

>>57638790
I'm not, it's a placeholder. I'm mostly trying to get myself situated with it atm since i'm having confusion with motherboard.

Are SeaGate drives really that bad? I was planning on buying one since it's listed on logicalincrements. I just want a basic 1 TB drive.

>>57638800
Z170 boards are all you need and gigabyte is generally looked at as a decent motherboard brand. Z170s only exist to overclock and you can't mess with skylake voltages too much anyways so the motherboard will be more than fine

>>57638809
They had a really bad batch a while back and /g/ has hated them ever since.
I don't know any stats on reliability for recent products though.

>>57638859
How far back is "a while back"? I don't really care for brand loyalty/grudges but I want to make sure I don't end up picking one from the batch.

>>57638684
Right, but my main question which still hasn't been answered was would I get the same performance by doing this switch

So from a 4C/4T @ 3.3 to a 10C/20T @ 2.3
in that specific high threaded game(I don't play anything else)

You mentioned IPC like I'm downgrading 3 generations but the xeon will be either a haswell or a broadwell compared to an i5 skylake.


Thanks for the help

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so i just built this ultra cheap pc, do you guys know why doe the motherboard report those temperatures? before i changed the cpu it was perfectly fine

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Sorry missed some comments yesterday.

One of you said the 1TB SSD here was really good?

>>57638926
A Xeon is nothing like a high end haswell quad core and BF1 is nothing like a "high threaded game"
Go ahead and see if moar cores can replace power, see if a years-old server xeon can power battlefield better than you 6600 because it has more cores
>btw bf1 runs fine, 100fps at 1440p on my 6600k without overclocking (essentially a 6600)

>>57638838
Thank you for the clarification, That helps a bunch since if i can't get that one i have to grab a vastly more expensive one.

>>57638773
I've replaced the fan cooler with a better Noctua model now, hopefully that should work.

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First time *really* building a rig since high school, so I'm a bit out of touch with current tech. Hoping you guys can provide some input here.

Aiming to build a solid general-purpose machine for performing the following tasks:
- Running multiple VMs concurrently
- Light video editing
- Occasional password cracking, hash generating
- VR gaming (once I pick up a VR system) but mostly CS:GO, Battlefield, for now

I'd like to keep the budget for the rig (excluding peripherals) less than $1,200-ish, but I'm a bit flexible if there are some solid must-buys. Going to be picking this stuff up this weekend once sales hit, so hopefully some of it will be discounted.

Selected an SLI-capable mobo for future-proofing purposes. I want this thing to last a while, so I'd like the option of adding another 1070 once it starts getting dated.

How are my picks? Any compatibility problems? Better choices? Shit I'm spending too much on? Other things you'd buy if you were building a rig from scratch?

Link: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/LxVbCy

>>57638935
poor cooling? are your case fans plugged in? what about dust

>>57636147
An e5-1650 is a pants on head retarded "upgrade" from a 6600 for gaming, what you have now is fine, look for what's really killing your performance because you don't need an i7 to plays games, even something extra stupid like a 6950X barely outperforms a 6600K OC'ed and it's over a thousand dollars
I don't think there's a single Xeon in existence that outperforms a 6600 in IPC, that's why dual CPU was popular with these weak xeon CPUs with a ton of threads

>>57638926
The answer to your question is no. Having more cores at a lower clockspeed (and IPC) won't be offset by having more cores. Games just aren't that heavily threaded yet.

>>57639018
>I'd like the option of adding another 1070 once it starts getting dated

You're almost always better off with selling your old card and buying a new one, SLI support varies on a by game basis.

>>57639061
DX12 as an API can make use of up to 6 cores efficiently, might be cool to see how game devs start using DX12 and where CPU tech will go with 16 AND 32 CORE CPUS around the corner

Odd question: what's a good CPU cooler to put in a Silverstone FT02?

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>>57638799
>They still aren't bad for 1080p
You are using bad in some strange, specific way if you think that a $200 card matching a $300 card in two big, recent games isn't bad, especially when factoring in the wattage involved

Only 20% faster than an RX 470, so probably less than 10% faster in another major DX12 title by MS itself

When you find a reference Fury for $220 let me know

>>57638799
>These are probably outlier games
Great, just blindly dismiss facts because they don't align with your position

>>57632261
Where are some good sites to buy new computer hardware? So far the only one I know of is Newegg but there has to be more out there right?

>>57639018
>multiple VMs
Get more ram and get fast ram (3000mhz is best price/MHz)
>video editing
Get a 6700k if you want, video editors and hashing programs tend to support hyperthreading, it's a small upgrade for $100 extra though
>VR and regular gaming
Your 1070 is good, I'd also say to avoid sli too, it rarely gives you a 20% boost in the one or two games that support it, but most of the time one of the cards is literally unused

Should I get Zotac's AMP! Extreme over their AMP! Edition 10* series card?

>>57639209
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/kKRCFd
Here's my build.

>>57639047
everything is connected, before i changed the cpu it reported normal temperatures around 40C but now it reports that in every software, and on the bios too

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>>57639060
>>57639061
>>57639096

Well if you read my post you'd know I did find that i5 is killing my performance as it's utilized 100% all cores all the time. And gpu usage on a GTX 980 is like 65% average.

Take a look at this, 4770k at 4.4Ghz maxed out in BF1.

Do things download faster onto SSDs than HDDs? Or is that just down to your internet connection?

this might be trigger you all, but

don't you think we should add together /pcbg/ with /guts/?

>>57639319
You have to be 18 to post here.

>>57639319
Yeah

>>57639309
I got about 90% usage of my 6600k in BF1, but I have like 4 or 5 games that use nearly all the CPU "usage" but still run fine at high framerates and high res
100% usage has never made my games drop frames or anything maybe im lucky
But please go buy a 2.6GHz Xeon I want to see what kind of post you make when you try to run games on that and realize that BF1 doesn't use 20 threads

>>57639319
It's down to your internet connection, The difference in SSD and HDD drives is their read/write speeds, so once you have it it would run a lot faster on a SSD, But the write speed increase from the download wouldn't be that much faster than a HDD.

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>>57639333
They're both essentially for showing off
/guts/ should be /liquidcoolinggeneral/ desu

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Is this an ok deal for the price? I'm not looking to overclock or play Doom on Ultra 4k, probably just gonna play League of Reddit and Tumblrwatch.

>tfw my country's currency plummets as soon as I finish getting my degree and get a job and have plans to build a PC.

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This was around $640, took the 1tb, 500gb and one of the ssd(s) from my old pc. Thoughts? I might upgrade to 16gb ram.

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>>57639431
>AMD FM+ CPU

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/K2w84C
First build, how does it look?

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Looking for a bit of input on this budget build. I am interested in replacing my younger brothers older build (i5 750 & HD 7850) for Christmas. I would probably take the 7850 from his current pc and swap it into this one to save a bit as well.

>>57639545
>R7 240
>'''''''(((((((500W))))))'''''''' psu
>120gb SSD for a gaming computer

>>57639431
Spend $100 more bucks building it yourself and you could get a 470 or 1050ti with that, and a decent CPU
For a little over $300 you could be set at 1080p/60Hz high setting games

>>57639431
>>57639545
If I squint on the picture it looks like a A4-6300 which is FM2.

>>57638935
My guess would be that you have too little/too much paste, or the cooler isn't making full contact. If the motherboard's temp sensors are relatively close to the CPU, it'd register.

>>57639127
I just find these benches hard to take seriously. Not because they aren't valid results, as I've seen the same results from other sites, but because they just scream that AMD didn't optimize either of these games for Fiji, or maybe even anything other than Polaris.

Can you really sit there and say that it makes sense that a card with almost double the shaders and compute ability has equal performance to the brand new RX480 that everyone has a magnifying glass on? All just because of the change to 14 nm and some minor optimizations to GCN? If so I have a bridge to sell you. I'd love to see these benches revisited in a few months, giving AMD the benefit of the doubt that this will be corrected.

I know you'll just say that the results are what they are, but Fiji is the more powerful GPU. The results of these recent benchmarks have more than just a few people questioning whether AMD has taken a page out of Nvidia's gimping playbook just in time for the holiday season.

>>57639619
>CPU is 33
>motherboard is 84
>"must be a paste problem all I can think of lol"
Most likely Speccy or the temp sensor is broken, Speccy is often wrong with temps. Feel your motherboard, feel your CPU, if it isn't 190 degrees Fahrenheit then it isn't a thermal problem, just reinstall speccy

>>57639698
Well nobody has raw specifications on what is optimized for what but more importantly nobody cares.
If a GPU can graphically process a game faster than a different GPU, then it's going to sell better, doesn't matter what chinkchip they bought from Hyundai and used, if they didn't use it well, it's a bad GPU

>>57639698
The benchmark isn't screaming anything but facts, you're just making assumptions

>>57639713
Whoops, didn't even look at the CPU temp, my bad.

>>57639755
>>57639738
>>57639140
>>57639127
Those timestamps really make you think...

>>57639986
>posts:281
>posters:48
SHILLS ALL OF YOU, FUCKING SHILLS GET OUT MUH SHILL THREAD TRYING TO SHILL ME STUFF

>>57639986
Yeah, benchmarks are real world performance metrics and raw data does not imply anything, no matter how much better your brand said your GPU should be
What are you trying to say?

>>57639571
>>57639545
>>57639587

thanks anons, much appreciated

>>57639698
>X is more powerful GPU even though it's worse when tested
Luckily I don't just brush away any benchmarks I don't like that don't say I bought the best thing ever, so I knew exactly what FPS I would be getting before I ever used it
Must suck waiting for advertising to make your decision for you

>>57639738
>Well nobody has raw specifications on what is optimized for what but more importantly nobody cares.

Some people like to understand the results and right now it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that something is up with Fiji performance in IW and Dishonored 2.

If you don't care then just be a blind consumer then I guess. Trust the recent benchmarks and marketing and enjoy yourself, but don't make a blanket statement like nobody cares because some people do want to understand why the results are what they are.

>>57639755
See above and have another (You).

>>57639986
Yeah, they make me think you're a retarded faggot.

>>57640104
I just accept that "the best tech" right now is YEARS away from ever hitting the shelf. That nvidia has been taking their best chips and gimping them to make a new lineup. That AMD has been taking their best chips and rebranding them to make a new lineup. That the next 5 years of nvidia and AMD are already made and they're waiting for the economically best time to release them.
It sucks when you have a monopoly but you're free to choose other "ethical" GPU companies if you can dig down far enough to find them

>>57640104
But dishonored 2 runs like garbage on every PC, that's nobodys fault but the devs
And by the way, devs are 100% in complete control of how well a game can run. If you're getting mad that you can get 700fps in counterstrike but barely hit 60 in dishonored, you can't just blame whatever brands you happened to buy

>>57640088
>Must suck waiting for advertising to make your decision for you

This is the exact opposite of what I do. I just think it's curious that Fiji and Polaris are suddenly, in two recently benchmarked games, showing near identical performance at 1080p when all of the information we've had about either card up to this point wouldn't necessarily point to that being the outcome.

I personally don't own either a Fury or an RX 480 so this discussion isn't particularly sensitive to me.

>>57638203
sorry, yeah 60-90 but would drop down to 45 in populated areas.

>>57640199
Did you know that adding cards in SLI give absolutely no extra 1080p performance if a single card can handle it? That a $2400 SLI setup runs the exact same as a $600 single card at normal/low resolutions?
That maybe going from 1080p to 4K needs more than just "GPU power"
That maybe the game was made in a way that restricts a GPUs advantages until they're absoutely needed (such as high res)?
It would not be the first time a card is more utilized and effective at 1440p than 1080p

what will happen if i leave my computer turned off for 2+ years?
i have aio cooler and ssd if that matters

>>57640298
Your cooler will rust and SSD explode

>>57640298
You will miss out on installing Solus.

Which brands do I need to avoid when purchasing an ssd? I'll be on the smaller side, less than 500gb if that matters.

>>57640255
Alright man, I think we're done here.

>>57640298
Why are you leaving the PC off for so long?

Depending on the AiO cooler, the water bot moving for so long could cause a potential problem when you do go to click it back on.
>>57640393
OCZ above all else. Last I heard they were bought out by Toshiba and they got their shit together, but still from trust them. I buy nothing but Samsung drives if possible. But other good brands are as follows based on speed:price
>Crucial MX300 line (98% the performance of Samsung drives. Usually $50+ less than them for same capacity)
>Intel 600p series. M.2 format and the cheapest available nvme based SSDs on the market. Slower than all other nvme drives by a far margin and barely faster than some of the high end sata stuff.


>Intel 240 series (sata) faster than mechanical but slower than all major SSDs. Truly just a reliable cheap consumer ssd.

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>>57640461
I got an OCZ drive recently, I heard toshiba really cleaned up OCZ and now they're great drives for being so cheap, time will tell I guess.
And the 600p is SOLIDLY better than any high end SATA SSDs, it's just barely faster in every way except seq read speeds that are impossible with even triple raid0 saturating 3 SATA ports
The Samsung 950 and 960 Pro is much much faster too

What are some alternatives to Isopropyl alcohol?
I assume Noctua NT-H1 is good paste, and its cheaper than arctic silver 5 here.

Im not exactly looking for building right now but to repaste laptops.

Should i buy
>Arctic Silver Arcticlean Thermal Cooling Material Remover and Surface Purifier
Instead the alcohol to avoid problems?

> i5-6500
> GTX 1060 6GB/480 8GB
> Decent motherboard
> Decent case
> 250GB SSD
> 8GB Ram (whats the consensus one 1 8GB stick versus 2 4GB sticks?)
> 500-550 W PSU

Can this be done for around 650-700?

>>57640578
use your semen
it works better

>>57640781
I5-6500 =$200
GTX 1060=$240 or RX480 = $200.
B150 Mortar = $90
2x4GB=$45
240GB 850 EVO= $90.
Corsair 200r=$60.
EVGA 500B(you should spend more on something better)=$46.
$770 or $730.

What is the better deal /g/

4k screens or 2k screens.

Will I notice a massive difference between the two?

>>57635951
>HGST HDD
You're not memeing me here, are you? If not, give me one I should buy.

i5-6500
Geforce GTX 1060 6GB
and 16 gb of ram.

What can this do?

>>57640882
Everything except games at 4k.

i5 2500, gtx 560 ti 448 classified, 12 gigs of ddr3 1333 MHz. Have an extra pcie slot was wondering if it'd be worth it to use my old gt 730 as a dedicated physx card. Sure, it's on the low end of the spectrum, but it's got two gigs of Vidya ram.

>>57640841Can a kind anon chew off about $30 from this build?

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/WxrWBP

>>57641046
Yea, just get rid of the SSD or get a lower tier CPU.

>>57640874
not him, but utrastars are gold, refurb ultras and deskstars are silver, then everyone else is fighting for bronze.

>>57641046
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/D4dgQV

>>57641163
Where do you find new Ultrastars?

>>57641046
Yes, drop the PNY SSD and get a real one or only get a HDD.

Poorfag reporting in. http://pcpartpicker.com/list/dvddr7 Is it good enough to handle Battlefield 1 at medium settings?

>>57641278
You cant be that poor can you?

Anon save $100 more and get a I5 and a GTX 1050Ti 4gb.
Perfomance difference would be huge.

>>57641249
amazon, newegg, etc.

>>57641358
Link to a good 2TB/3TB drive?

I work at a small studio and we need a new PC. We've been running our AMD 8350 build for a while but it might be time for something new. I heard the Zen CPUs are supposed to be pretty solid but thats just speculation for now I assume and judging by benchmarks the 6700k isn't that much better than the 8350 either.

We are looking to move to ddr4 something with at least 32gb RAM but we need a CPU with some really good multicore performance. What would /g/ recommend? Wait for the next intel series or go for Zen?

I found some single core performance benches but honestly that doesn't mean shit for us, and most other benches are gaming, any advice?

>>57641478
>Neither Zen or Kaby Lake are released
>What do you recommend?

Waiting until they are released.

>>57641478
>we need a CPU with some really good multicore performance.

You want to be looking at the X99 Platform. Intel has some monstrous CPUs out there right now. Kaby has identical IPC to Skylake, it's a literal refresh and not worth waiting for if the 6700 wouldn't cut it for you.

Haswell-E or Broadwell-E chips (or a newer X99 Xeon) are what you should be checking out. Forget the consumer level stuff (Skylake/Kaby/Haswell)

An i5 6500, a GTX 1070 and a 1440p 144hz is a good match

Gonna be used for Titanfall 2

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>>57640576
You have an Intel 600p? Was considering pic related. What does everyone think? $270 a good deal? The slower samsung 850 evo m.2 is $350 and the faster 950 pro m.2 512GB is $370 and it throttles because of heat.

Input from anyone is welcome.

>>57641572
Thanks, I'll have a look.

>>57641663
For 144hz, expect to have to turn down shadows. Especially at 1440p. And no unlocked chip? Is it a budget thing? Over clocking can help squeeze an extra 2-3 years of viability out of a build down the road if you're PC is feeling slow.

Lastly, why not an i7? Memes aside, there have been a few graphs posted ITT already showing more threads help in some games and it'll only become more relevant.

What 1070 are you considering? Don't go EVGA if you care about your VRMs

>>57641663
Plenty for that game

>>57641478
Just wait for the time being

>>57641278
Yes, but get yourself an SSD for convenience

>>57641013
Not sure, games dont' really even use PhysX anymore

>>57640882
AAA at 1080p 60FPS, meme games at higher res or FPS

>>57640874
>If not, give me one I should buy
Fuck off, this is an anonymous board. You attempt an manipulation failed

>>57640872
Right now 1440p is the only one good enough

>>57640781
Yes, read the pcbg pcpartpicker in the OP. Look for 1080p Standard

>>57640578
ispropanol is cheap, not sure why you wouldn't use it

>>57641776
I already have the i5 and the gpu I only need to upgrade my monitor atm I have a 24" 1080p

1440p 144hz or Ultrawidememe at 60hz

Is there much of a noticeable performance difference between a 6500 and 6600K? For playing games.

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So I'm looking at a new machine for the first time in about 6 years. I am WAY out of date (solid state drives? Wizardry!)

I'm trying to build a machine that can run CS5 and handle a few large documents at once, edit video, and also output to at least 2 but 3-4 screens if possible at the same time. Including a Wacom Cintiq 24HD (work), and an Epson PowerLite 2030 Projector (play). And y'know play most games decently. Nothing super high end, like I don't think I'll be needing 4k (honestly haven't looked into that yet, is it a must?).

Pic related is a quick build I put together using a local place, but I don't mind buying components and building myself. Looking to keep it under $3k canadian, and get a good machine for that. I need a good mic too. (and possibly capture card but I dunno about that yet)

It is possible, right?

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Finally have the funds. Anything here worth salvaging or should I just start from scratch?

Budget is about $1200 Cdn. Wanna play games.

Before the thread dies, can anyone tell me if this isn't worth the money/if I should get a different card for a casual gaming build?
>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131706

>>57641930
You dnont have to pay for windows.

Read Logicalincrements.com, $3k CAD can get you a high/enthusiast tier PC.

>>57641925
not for any currently released games, no. the question is whether or not you want to overclock. If you are never going to overclock, just get the 6500. And you have to think about the price difference in terms of what else you need. the 6500 comes with a cooler, 6600k does not, and you don't need to spend extra cash on a Z170 board with a 6500- whereas you are almost obligated to with 6600k.