Name a better OS for a productiv human being that needs to get

>>57597743
macOS, doesn't randomly shut down to install updates.

>>57597764
Neither does Windows 10 if you bother to change some options in a few seconds.

>>57597764
A few clicks and that behaviour is changed.

>>57597768
>>57597769
every version of windows has had these retarded timers that would spring up for serious security patches. are you saying they've changed it so that all of them can be disabled? can you post a link to that procedure?

>>57597791
There's a group policy that prevents it from restarting.

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>>57597764
>this is what mactoddlers actually believe

What are your software requirements. If they are like mine then Ubuntu is exactly what I need. If you need different software then may windows may be better..... Don't be a dick an os is a tool. Like you

>>57598124
Doesn't matter since W10 is better for every desktop purpose.

>>57597743
GNU/Linux

>>57597838
1. it does not shut down
2. literally 1 checkbox to disable

>>57598140
That's the choice for unproductiv NEETs and pedophiles though.

>>57598151
>this is what mactoddlers actually believe

>>57598160
i thought you got banned?

>>57597838
>Try tonight

Lol Mac fags will defend this piece of shit OS, fucking 'try tonight', when the fuck is that even going to be

>>57598159
Just like windows is illiterate basement dwelling gamer toddlers?

>>57597768
Funny enough, I actually "turned off" automatic updates, yet they still keep coming.
The switch is off, yet it still happens. What the fuck

>>57598159
Protip:
Most NEETs in this world uses wangblows.

>>57597743
And yet you are unemployed, OP

>>57598173
Windows has actually options so you will see a broad audience use it instead of Linux, where literally only weebs and other degenerates use it.

Install macOS Sierra

>>57597838
Why is the capitalisation so inconsistent on this shitty OS, Apple make poor products.

>>57598184
Nope, ALL computer illiterates use windows. ALL :)

Some of them also use Internet Explorer lol

>>57598177
That leaves your main audience with pedophiles, they really love security after all.

>>57598187
>toddlerOS

Chrome OS. No, really.
>updates quietly in the background as you work, no configuring when shutting down or booting up
>free Microsoft Office
>free TB of storage on Google Drive
>Photoshop, VLC and SoundTrap
>you might even be able to get some light programming done in certain notepad apps
It's basically the perfect OS. You won't be editing movies or recording albums, but it's perfect for just doing office work.

>>57598198
So Windows is now an SJW OS? lol I'd rather not install an OS that defends social justice for women

Windows 7 tbqh

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>>57597743
just what we need, another pissing contest between windows, linux and osx,

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>>57597743
Windows 7

Hourly reminder: See >>57598193

>>57598202
>only covers one field well
>good
Pick one.
>>57598207
If only pedophiles and SJWs exist I pick the SJW side any time.

Honestly, Windows and macOS are basically equally capable desu. It's just a matter of personal taste at this point. It's like when people fight over DAWs. They're all the same; they just look a bit different.

Windows 2000 and XP, muh niggah

>>57598226
Did you check your white male privilege checklist before posting that, SJW queer?

>>57598202
>fast
>light
>secure
>does everything 90% of people need it to do on a daily basis
checks out

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>>57597743

Computer Scientist and IT professional naming a better OS to a board full of underage trolls.

:^)

>>57598236
How does it feel that the only right pedos have is to breath while getting assraped in prison?

>>57598242
>fruity toddler toy OS for computer illiterate applebabbies

>>57598251
lel keep crying SJW tears, nu-male hehehe

All software developers in my company use GNU/Linux.

>>57598184
I'm not weeb, nor degenerate. Linux have much broad options, but you have to as smarter questions to realize it.

t. linux user.

Linux

>>57597743
Installs candy crush and twitter notifications every single time I restart my computer, spies on me, and is intensive of low end computers.

Only thing it's useful for is gaming.

>>57598278
>but you have to as smarter questions to realize it
t. Linux user indeed

>>57597743
FreeBSD

>>57598202
>updates quietly in the background
JUST

>>57598293
Windows is best for everything. Meanwhile Linux not only has no options but lacks some things completely like Photoshop and video games.

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>>57597743
>>57598159
>WIntoddler actually can't spell "productive"
>Argues what what OS is productive
wintoddlers try so hard to fit in,

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>>57598315
>Video games
>Porductive
Winbabby gtfo

>>57598279
>being productive with a kernel

>>57598315
What the fuck are you talking about.

You can build every aspect of your OS.

Linux has more open source free software than Windows.

You spend hundreds, sometimes thousands on software that is not open source and doesn't have nearly as many options on Linux.

I get all my daily stuff done with Xubuntu.
I'd say Xubuntu is a better OS since it's both productive AND free.

>>57598316
Says the guy who is unable to write a single coherent sentence. Your meme greentexting is pretty bad too.

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>>57598361
>you too
wow you sure showed me, wintoddler

>>57598330
You need a balanced set of work and play to reach peak performance. Of course no one expects someone that does neither work or play to know such things.

>>57598373
Lol no. Employed people don't play games. I don't expect a NEET to know by the way.

Go ask your mommy for the latest toddler card so you can achieve 30 FPS more in your extreme call of battlefield V game.

>>57598389
Video games are not the only form of play, retard.

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>>57598212
"""really makes you think"""

>>57598315
Completely? Linux has thousands of games and photoshop alternatives.

>>57598419
>play
Have you passed middle school yet?

>>57598449
You're not even arguing about operating systems anymore.

>>57598443
>photoshop alternative
ayyy lmao
>>57598449
You're such an uneducated swine for not knowing about the most basic concepts.

>>57598469
What?

>>57598461
Argument is over a long time ago. Most NEETs and computer illiterates such as yourself use windows. People can be productive with Linux with no issues

>>57598469
English is not your first language, is it?

>>57598482
But I don't use Windows, different person you're responding to. I'm running Kubuntu.

>>57598489
I used play correctly but your uneducated retard brain wouldn't know.

>>57597764

Windows 10 has literally never done this to me in almost 1.5 years

>>57598550
Hahaha sure
"A little knowledge is a dangerous thing"

>>57597743
There are none.
macOS doesn't have everything
Desktop Linux has jack shit is maintained by college dropouts. It's the server-side where shit is good.

>>57598449
not him but seems like you haven't

Wait until you have to develop for Ruby on Rails

>>57598124
>>57598140
>>57598173
>>57598264
>>57598278
>>57598279
>>57598316
>>57598330
>>57598353
>>57598443

Hold on-
*vi resolv.conf*
Let me-
*vi browser's conf*
just-
*killall [background process that eats up all of the 50mb of ram]*
one min-
*man Iceweasel*

>>57597743
Windows XP, it's like 10 but it's actually good

Why does Windows have to shut down in order to install updates?

>>57597743
I can't. It's the best we have for the Dekstop.
>GNUfags will try to deny this

>Not using both Windows, OSX and Linux depending on what your uses are

Eighteen plus board

>>57598602
>Wait until you have to develop for Ruby on Rails
>>>/lgbt/

>>57597743
Windows 7, 8, 8.1, even countless Linux distributions work OOTB better than any current Windows version. Also >>57597764

Why does Windows send back back to Microsoft everything you do on your PC?

>>57597768
t.windows10 shill

>>57598672
>Wi*dows
Why would I need mi***soft wi*dows? My job doesn't even require mi***soft products.

>>57597764
Yeah if you're retard that is.

>>57598804
Funny how wi**dows tergets retards around the world

>>57598200
did you know that most children grow up with Windows than any other OS?
did you know that macOS mostly is used by people over 20?

>>57598258
Holy shit this is the most salty case of the fox and the grapes scenario I've ever seen.

>>57598880
he never left mom's basement so of course he wouldn't know

Notice how Linux fags can only nitpick since they have no real arguments.

>>57597743
Red Hat Enterprise GNU/Linux

>>57598932
Arguments?
OP asked question and that have been answered. Butthurt winbabbies spew on memes like "NEET" or "pedo XDDDD" acquisitions.

Winkcucks don't care about technology in general.

All they care about is the product, not the method. Product is >>>/v/ and the method is >>>/g/.

Products are GPU shitstorms, speccy threads, guts threads, casing threads etc.

A typical winbabby's perception of judging a GPU is "Gaming benchmarks".

None of the gamer wincuckolds are interested in the method or process of making games. Game is not technology, programming games is.

Buying GPU is not technology and neither is discussing which build will play the latest manchild games.

Wincuckolds do not care about privacy and cryptology. They are more invested in games.

If all they care about is the ability to play games they should move to >>>/v/

>>57599094
editing configs is not technology
ricing desktops is not technology
posting anime is not technology
installing broken distros on desktop is not rechnology

>>57599094
Still no arguments, only whining about using an objectively inferior OS.

>>57599094
You're an idiot.

>>57599124
playing manchild games is, right?
>>57599157
Arguments?
OP asked question and that have been answered. Butthurt winbabbies spew on memes like "NEET" or "pedo XDDDD" acquisitions.

>>57599173
>playing manchild games is, right?
nobody said anything about games
only YOU brought them up

Stop fighting, children

>>57599178
Posting battlestation is?

>>57599190
Stop pretending that we are children only to get your dick harder.

>>57599197
still more technology related that posting shitty copy pasted desktops
glad that shit got banned

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>>57599209
Hit a nerve didn't I?

>>57599219
no
I don't post in those threads so it's like w/e
but at least they don't bring weeb cancer and bikeshedding idiots

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>>57599235
They did bring lgbt degeneracy and created /v/ hugbox

>>57599256
I'll take /v/ over degenerate /a/ cancer any day

>>57599197
Not him, but fuck both. Fuck threads arguing about Linux vs Windows, too.

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>>57599268
Go fuck back to /v/ then, manchild

>>57599276
excellent argument

>>57599283
Exactly. Now get out.

>>57599268
I'll ask both of you to gtfo forever.

>>57599287
make me
I'm not the one derailing threads by shitposting

>>57599276
Back to /b/ with you for being so random and illogical with your arguments.

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>>57599296
>make me
>let me stay
Time to hit >>>/v/, degenerate /v/ manchild

>>57597743
Windows Server 2016.

>>57599304
Arguments?
OP asked question and that have been answered. Butthurt winbabbies spew on memes like "NEET" or "pedo XDDDD" acquisitions.

>>57599311
and I'm the child?
You are so mature

>>57599318
Way to go proving me immediately right. Back to fucking /b/ you go, cancer.

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>>57599330
>plays video games
Yeah totally (not) a child

>>57599208
dont get your hopes up, I only like the physical ones

>>57599347
kek

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>>57598612
who actually uses vi or iceweasel lmao. and, whos fucking with a browser's conf in a text editor? and, what the hell is resolv.conf? i dont think you know what your talking about dude. im not salty, im being honest here. go give a linux distro a try, ubuntu mint fedora debian manjaro antergos whatever the hell your heart desires with whatever desktop environment your heart diseres with it. dont try bare arch or gentoo or any of those needlessly complicated distros, theyre not good for beginners like you. linux isnt as "hard" as many people seem to think it is. they just see neckbeards with superiority complexes and terminals so they stay away thinking that it's either going to be too challenging. its only challenging if your really bad at dealing with change. things are different in a way that i think is better

Why do wintoddlers think people can't be productive outside their babbycare toddler toy video game OS?

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>>57599360
>what the hell is resolv.conf?

>>57599355
<3

>>57599360
Arch and Gentoo are both easier than Debian and its derivatives once you dig deep enough.

https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html#contents

>>57599381
whatever it is, ive never had to interact with it.

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>>57599360
> and, what the hell is resolv.conf?
> go give a linux distro a try, ubuntu mint fedora debian manjaro antergos

maybe you should follow your own advice, friendo

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>>57599425

>>57599466
>>57599433
>>57599381
>weebs

>>57599512
Anime website

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>>57599512
>Where am I?

>>57599515
>>57599524
>weebs

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>>57599466
thanks for the smug. i googled it, it's dns shit, ive never had an issue with dns so /shrug i dont really care.
>>57599433
ive tried all of em dude, with the exception of fedora. maybe fedora has resolv.conf issues, but ive never tried it so i wouldnt know.
>>57599515
is the whole website still for anime? i was under the impression that /a/ was the only place anime was supposed to be prominent. i dont actually watch anime much lmao

>>57599543
anime imageboard owned by a japanese

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>>57599543
>it's dns shit, ive never had an issue with dns so /shrug i dont really care.
>ive tried all of em dude, with the exception of fedora.

Smugposting is bestposting.

>>57599572
ADRIAAAAAAAN

>>57599557
Not an "anime" imageboard and the site is owned by a jew.

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>>57599572
true desu desu

>>57599572
please, upload it.

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>>57599609
>if I agree with him, he might stop pointing out how I don't know what I am talking about and stop bullying me!

Smugposting cant stop wont stop.

>>57599638
sorry to say, its not mine. I wish it was.

It doesn't exist. You can meme all you want but anyone pragmatic that wants to get shit done uses a business version of w10

>>57599653
>uses a business version of w10


>how to spot a NEET

>>57599653
What does the business version offer what the regular one doesn't?

>>57599701
DX12 :DD

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>it's a gamer-pretends-to-be-an-architect-or-a-structural-engineer-in-order-to-justify-the-Windows-installation episode

>>57599712
>linuxfag pretending windows doesn't offer superior software in any department

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>>57599712
>its a neet-pretends-linux-works-out-of-the-box episode

>>57599782
Case 1:
>Install Windows 7
>Installation takes 30-45 minutes
>Reboot several times
>Gets desktop ready for first use
>Takes 10 more minutes
>Reboot
>Realize WiFI doesn't work
>Decide to download the wifi driver with my Linux machine
>Realize windows doesn't even have drivers for ext4 or anything but FAT or NTFS

Case 2:
>Decide to install windows 10
>Installation takes more than one whole hour this time
>Boot into windows 10
>Realize two finger scroll is not working
>Realize the touchpad stopped working
>Realize the start menu and search in the bottom panel does not work
>Thanks to touch screen laptop, I manage to install drivers for touchpad
>Driver installation leads me to reboot
>"Getting windows ready"
>30 minutes in
>"Getting windows ready"
>"Don't turn off your computer"
I decided to trash wincrap. It's a FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT and it doesn't belong outside VM

>Laptop has no OS
>Decide to install my favourite comfy OS
>It's Xubuntu LTS 16.04
>It has a LIVE environment so I can check if my hardware is compatible ootb
>Just works
>Touch screen just works and so does touchpad and wifi
>Install
>Browse 4chan during install
>Install takes 10 minutes
>Reboot
>A fully customizable, fast, responsive OS ready for me THAT JUST WORKS

I'm sorry windows is bullcrap. It doesn't have Live ISO, can NOT rank update mirrors, update takes 4-5 hours, upgrade breaks and it doesn't work, even though people pay for it.

My perception of windows is that it is still alive in desktops because of
1. computer illiterate people that does not know any other OS than windows and any other browsers than Internet Explorer
2. Availability of pirated paid software.


Android will kill windows anyways because it's easier to use anyways. Microsoft is trying hard with the surfacebook pros but honestly it doesn't compete with tablets.

For gaming I'll lay down a hard to accept fact:
People that lost virginity use PS4 and move on with their life.

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>>57597743
You can't. Anyone trying to name another OS is just making shit up.

>>57597768

Those options don't exist or work.

You literally CANNOT link me to a procedure that disables automatic restarts.

>>57599821
>install windows 10
>it just werks
There, fixed it for you.

>>57597764
I just learned yesterday that new macOS does not support RAID anymore.

IT'S A FUCKING TOY.

Still love Tiger and Leopard though.

where can I get a legal copy of win 10 for least money? can I move a free upgrade to another computer?

>>57599865
ohoho no, winshill. Absolutely wrong

>>57599652
i dont know what im talkin about, your right. but if i havent encountered an issue with it why should i care? when i do, ill start reading up on resolv.conf and fix shit. smugposting will last longer than the roman empire desu

>>57598135

It isn't. It's an incredible resource hog. It doesn't respect property. Some settings are buried under 4+ menu levels instead of a plain text file.

>>57598242
What a shit config, my G5 from 10 years ago had two 2.8GHz chips and 16GB of RAM.
Probably even the GeForce 6800 Ultra in it was better then the shit now.

>>57599900
On ebay you can get one for 15-20 bucks.
>>57599908
We both now it's true, lincuck.

>>57597764
This

>>57597768
>>57597769
You cannot disable automatic updates, you can change your 12 hour "don't automatically restart on me" window but that's it, even in Windows 10 Pro.

>>57599908
Works on my machine.

>>57597743

FULL SCREEN ADS
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>>57599923
yeah I found some shifty shops which sell them at the same price. not sure if I can trust them

>>57597743
Windows 7

>>57599821
Literary child.
>ugh, I want the best OS, I can't use multiple

>>57599921
It is. Linux has shit tier software support and that's all it needs for being the worst OS without even naming all the other reasons why Linux sucks.

>>57599701
Not shutting down and updating at its own discretion

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>>57597838
>>57598170


>>57598189
That's screenshot is not recent

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>the auto updates are the biggest reason for linuxfags to why windows is inferior
Pwahahahaha.

>>57599900
Download windows 7iso, install win 7, use daz windows 7 loader 2.2.2 to unlock win 7 so it says it's a legit copy, don't install any updates, turn off the auto update thing, then download windows 10 media creation tool, click upgrade this pc and it downloads and installs windows 10 and it think's it's a legit copy of win 7 so it gives you legit windows 10

Worked for me, also I think it didn't check the win 7 product key, just that it's a legit win 7 version which widows loader does

>>57599953

> software support

WTF does that even mean?

I thought we were discussing OSes and not software.

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>>57599919
>but if i haven't encountered an issue with it why should I care?

Bargining wont work.

And so I am not talking out of my ass, any time you need to change dns servers, you are having resolv.conf problems. you should be editing resolv.conf instead of a third party program, and If you aren't, you are just as babby and hypocritical as winbabbies

>>57599984
but the free upgrade opportunity run out. or does it still work?

>>57599821
>Decide to try xubuntu
>Install chromium cause open sauce
>It freezes every time I wake laptop from sleep and freezes again after I wrestle with it to close and reopen it
>Decide to try regular chrome, same shit happens
>google for solution
>"delete the config folder"
>I do it, it doesn't fix it
>install windows 10
>never run into any problem

Every fucking time I install linux I run into an unsolvable problem, or one I'm not willing to wasting hours to fix. That's why people don't switch. There are a million fucking holes in linux.

>>57599983

Good for you that random reboots don't destroy your work. Sounds like you don't do any.

Solus

>>57600004
It's not the same option, when you open windows media creation tool which creates a bootable usb for installing win 10, you can choose upgrade this pc, then it asks for a key but you click next I think and it just starts downloading, then once installed it says it's activated, can't remember specifically cause I don't it about 4 months ago

>>57600037
*done

>>57599892

Yes it does. There's an option for the RAID Assistant under the"File" menu of Disk Utility.

>>57600001
ok, explain to me why i would need to change from the default dns server. doesnt my isp provide that shit? im awful with networking, so elaborate dude. ive been using linux for four years now, mainly to play csgo and browse the web and to rice shit like a retard and not once has resolv.conf been an issue.

>>57600013
Just stop lying. Even if it happens it happens extremely rarely.

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>>57599892
>I just learned yesterday that new macOS does not support RAID anymore.
you learned wrong

>>57597820
SOooo, i s that the group policy tool in the Pro version?

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/WindowsForBusiness/Compare

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>>57600059
> im awful with networking, so elaborate dude.
To quote any good linux fag: "No. RTFM."

>>57600083

Once a week desu.

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>>57600108
your dodging the question bro. what use is there in changing resolv.conf? if your stubborn the least you can do is point me in the direction of The Fucking Manual.

>>57600151
I use it to augment my search domain and hardcode my DNS server (for when I don't want to be dependent on DHCP)

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>>57600151
oh hey, I get to play the "Im an expert, and you are a pleb, and I aint telling you shit" game that every linux community under the sun likes to play.

This is fun!

>>57600127
Obvious bait. Updates are not even that regular let alone updates that require restarts.

>>57600226
sorry dude, >>57600191 just told me. hope you had fun playing for a minute though <3

>>57599990
This means exactly what it says. You can have the best working OS in the world but it's still shit when it isn't supported by the best software.

>>57600227

Every Tuesday, skippy.

I wouldn't mind if it was postponable to the weekend but it isn't.

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>>57597743
Gentoo

>>57600265

An OS isn't """ supported """ by software. It doesn't require any of it. What software (you) need depends entirely on (you).

macOS

There's nothing better and I've tried most. It's perfect.

Windows 10 with Anniversary Update is second place, but a really big difference in productivity. I'd only suggest using it if you don't have means to macOS or you like video games like the manchild you are.

Linux is by far the worst because it gives you pseudo-productivity. Makes you feel like the tedious work you're doing is actually worth it. I guess you could argue that it's good for programming, but eh not really. Opposed to subdues
Windows, sure, but not macOS.

>>57600508
Yes it is. The OS is just the table supporting your tools. The table is worthless if it can't support the best tools.

>>57600529
>macOS
Said no one ever.

>>57597743
Ubuntu 16.04 if you have no gaymes issue.

>>57597764
Take that shit to /biz/. Apple is a dongle company that happens to sell devices.

>>57600566

you must be new here

>>57600602
GentooOS? =O

>>57600602
you must be reddit here

>>57597743
Kubuntu desu

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>>57599821

>>57599712
Gamer would just justify it by windows having the biggest library?

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ok so lets say that I want to move to windows 10, can someone tell me what exactly do i need to do to remove spying, remove all the ads, remove all of the preinstalled shit? Is there a release without all of this? If not, how do i start, do I remove all of this shit manually or do I have to download some software for this? Or is it impossible and Im better off with windows 7?

>>57600798
he just can't stand that there are employed people on /g/
>REEEE NORMANS XD

>>57597743
>urr durr I want to get shit done but I'll not say what. You'll have to figure it out and give me the propper software
Fuck off.

>>57600836

fucking google it ffs

>>57600850
Windows is superior in all software departments.

>>57600865
thanks for your help, here your (you).

>>57600836
Windows 10 2015 LTSB
Windows 10 2016 LTSB
Windows 10 Enterprise
Windows 10 Education
Windows Server 2016 Essentials *
Windows Server 2016 Standard
Windows Server 2016 Datacenter
Windows Storage Server 2016 Standard
Windows Storage Server 2016 Workgroup

*Limited to 64GB of RAM

>>57600836
https://github.com/10se1ucgo/DisableWinTracking/releases

>>57600836
Then if you want to remove ALL the ads use this:

http://someonewhocares.org/hosts/hosts

>>57600955

Thanks, but seriously, there all all types of guides from reputable sources since it was a common topic. I promise you can just google it. Just put forth some effort, open google, and type that shit in there. I believe in you!

>>57600836
google it, seriously
/g/ will only meme you

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If you seriously have to debate about OSes, you're a faggot. Productivity OS doesn't matter because unless there's some hardware limitation, a skilled person can produce great work with any tool. Pepper and Carrot is a webcomic made in GIMP on Linux and it's really nice to read too. I'm sure that he would have made equally amazing art if he was on Windows or macOS. A creative person could basically use anything and make great things.

It's all about what you enjoy to use, not that it matters, if you are more concerned about ricing your deskop on Arch or gaming, then chances are good you aren't creating anything either on a computer or away from a computer.

Personally, I prefer Windows and macOS over Linux.

>>57601022
Theoretically you can paint anything with just a round hard brush and a soft brush. Doesn't change that photoshop is light years ahead of gimp and that a proper tool will save you an extreme amount of time. Ah, I just remembered that Linuxfags don't really care about time.

>>57601022
>A creative person could basically use anything and make great things.

Then why doesn't every artist use MSpaint?

>>57601549
it would require way more effort and would be a waste of energy and resources.

The exact reason creatives have all gone to Mac over the last decade

>>57601310
>>57601549
It's nice to see the fact that linux has great tools hurts this much the people who wants to push the notion you cannot do serious work on linux. Take this pasta:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2MvbfuITT8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDRTjzLNK0g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raKHHFv4nN8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEoJgQAfb5Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7znIHsyqfm0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8hO4K7mZG4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4BUcIDdpAM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGFUtqM8oAs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eLM3NrOJms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqumdhqy8Uw
http://cad.softwareinsider.com/compare/5-10/AutoCAD-vs-BricsCAD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qmjz6WXyWBY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqZeThC38ug
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XW0AqKG5zI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5RIveQypgw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqgugAj69xw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnk_VzedqlU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCG4daPvuVI
https://youtu.be/JmH4KYcmHOo
http://www.sylvia-ritter.com/new-gallery/
http://www.peppercarrot.com/

Special attention to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raKHHFv4nN8

Please explain us how knowing that you have more viable options affects you negatively.

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>>57599335
Seriously: what's wrong with video games? They are a great form of entertainment. Much more interactive and long-lasting than movies or books. You only get this super anti-videogame narrative here on /g/ where autistic cross-dressing weeaboo manchildren are known to be contained. Seems like obvious projection and sad over-compensation to me.

>>57602015
I still don't really get what the point of that pasta is. If it's implying that you can work "just as well" on Linux because you can technically achieve the same things, it's wrong. In certain industries, sure, maybe. If you're an artist using Sai or PS or Manga Studio or Corel Painter, then something like Krita (not GIMP) might be a viable replacement because it's a simple tool that doesn't have to do much, and the interface sucking or needing a workaround to get your tablet buttons working with it is not a huge deal.

If you have to design industrial equipment with AutoCAD, fuck no. You can't just replace it with the open source alternative written by two people and expect it to work just fine. Same with Premiere or After Effects. Blender might be able to achieve more or less the same thing, but the learning curve is astronomically high and you'd have to find a most likely inferior replacement for every plugin or script or tool you use that would directly impede your productivity. Tons of absolutely vital software with no alternative only run on OS X or Windows, because those are the two platforms most devs design for.

And stop posting Pepper and Carrot as an example of what can be achieved. It's the Big Buck Bunny of webcomics, done literally for the sake of "see, we can do things like the big boys too!". GIMP is, was, and always will be a steaming pile of shit. Fucking NOBODY wants to willingly use GIMP for anything. As evidenced by everyone who knows about it immediately switching to Krita as soon as it came out.

>>57598315
Not him but the no games argument is not true anymore. Windows is the best os for gaming mostly due to most game developers are trained into developing for it with microsoft's closed APIs, so the simple process of porting a game that was developed for windows to any other platform will affect negatively the performance of the game. This with the fact that the marketshare is small compared to windows there's hardly an incentive at the moment to optimize for linux, making look as if the platform were worse for games than windows when in fact to flip the situation you'll need to change the idiosyncrasies on the industry itself.

The fact though is that the situation on linux is not nearly the same than two years ago and now those who prefer linux over windows now can play games on it, helping to break the vicious circle, but still there's a lot of things to do for linux to compete in the gaming side. I anyone wants for this to change i recommend to play the games you can on linux when possible and ask for linux ports.

I notice some people doesn't want's for this to happen but if that the case let me ask (not directed specifically to the person i'm replying): how are any of you benefited in a meaningful way with the current situation? because i consider that keeping the statu quo just to have a tool to win an argument on what OS is better is not a meaningful thing. how having less options and practically being locked to MS products benefits you?

Some links:
https://steamdb.info/linux/
http://store.steampowered.com/search/?category1=998&os=linux
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXr8bqzf45Y
https://www.youtube.com/user/tuxreviews/videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/airspeedmph
https://www.youtube.com/user/Jakejw93/videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/mrdeathjr28/videos

>>57602157
>If it's implying that you can work "just as well" on Linux because you can technically achieve the same things, it's wrong.
I'm providing proof that you can and how, in your case you're just just telling me that i'm wrong without providing a reasoning.

>because it's a simple tool that doesn't have to do much
Have you even used krita or gimp? they're very complete tools in general. If you can disagree with me without proof or a reasoning then i can do that too.

>and the interface sucking or needing a workaround to get your tablet buttons working with it is not a huge deal.
Not saying they're perfect tools but would you mind proving what you say?

>You can't just replace it with the open source alternative written by two people and expect it to work just fine.
The example i provided is proprietary and one link provides a comparison with autocad. You didn't even bothered to open the links do you?

>Same with Premiere or After Effects.
I provided proof of what you can do with those tools and each one decides if it's good for them or not. Now provide a reasoning of why the evidence i provided is wrong.

>but the learning curve is astronomically high and you'd have to find a most likely inferior replacement for every plugin or script or tool you use that would directly impede your productivity
This is at best an opinion.

>Tons of absolutely vital software with no alternative only run on OS X or Windows, because those are the two platforms most devs design for.
True, but i proved with evidence that this is changing.

>And stop posting Pepper and Carrot as an example of what can be achieved.
Why, because you say so?

> It's the Big Buck Bunny of webcomics, done literally for the sake of "see, we can do things like the big boys too!".
Now you're just being bitter. Sorry if i broke your argument.

>GIMP is, was, and always will be a steaming pile of shit.
Nice opinion.

>Fucking NOBODY...
>as soon as it came out.
Ok, show your sources.

>>57602289
Yeah, no. I'm not arguing with you. You win.

>>57597769
Ahahahaha since when

>>57602304
K

>>57598612
>not using vim
>using iceweasel
kek you deserve getting spied on

>>57600007
>Install windows 10
>No network drivers so need to use another computer to get the drivers.
>Update takes forever.
>Install the drivers from windows update.
>No sound.
>Search the driver from the manufacturer's site.
>Ok, no problem.
>Suspiciously high storage drive usage.
>Processes using high amount of resources for no reason.
>Forced updates, give up trying to customize it because the updates sets the defaults again.
>No more possibility to know what are the updates about.
>Error messages are not useful.
>Must uninstall crap often but gets installed again.
>Cannot disable cortana.
>Pretty obvious i don't control my OS.
>Read MS privacy statement.
>Fuck this shit.
>Install windows 7.
>No drivers, must hunt them this time.
>mfw i read that MS is issuing updates that backports W1's bullshit to windows 7.
>mfw i must use third party programs and be careful with the updates to protect myself from my own software provider.

>>57602734
>At some moment got interested into looking for other software providers.
>Don't want to buy hardware and hackingtosh seems a fucking hassle so don't care about apple for the moment.
>Download ubuntu mate installation media.
>Try to boot but get black screen.
>Literally first google result tells me how to start with nomodeset and how to install the proprietary nvidia drivers.
>Proceed to install.
>reboot.
>Start again with nomodeset.
>Update OS (extremely fast compared to windows) and install nvidia drivers from a GUI.
>reboot.
>mfw everything works, no need to search for drivers.
>discovers dolphin, youtube-dl, clementine, playonlinux, kdenlive, krita, etc.
>Comfy as fuck.
>Discover my previous MS office documents don't work fine always.
>Read about the problem and discovers MS issued an standard they don't respect and no one know how it got approved something like that.
>Around half of my steam games are not avilable on linux.
>Read about it and discover how closed technologies can work as lock-in mechanism.
>mfw going back to windows would be like begging to be mistreated.
>mfw i would be actively supporting to make worse this situation.
>nope
>Use my computer normally but try to save my documents in open formats when possible to avoid being locked out from them and try to reward those developers who uses a multi-platform approach.

>>57600151
>the least you can do is point me in the direction of The Fucking Manual.
just use man in any terminal

>>57602750
>Read about the problem and discovers MS issued an standard they don't respect and no one know how it got approved something like that.
Office on wine.
>Around half of my steam games are not avilable on linux.
If you got more than 1 GPU and a good computer you can run a KVM machine routed to the video card.

>>57602908
>Office on wine.
That's what i do when i don't have any other option. Still when possible i use open formats because that way i cannot be locked out from my documents.

>If you got more than 1 GPU and a good computer you can run a KVM machine routed to the video card.
True, still i prefer to support those developers who support my platform of choice when possible.

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>>57597743
I made the switch to linux when I had to get work done. Why?
>computer taking forever to start up
>"Preparing updates" on every boot
>Check windows update
>downloading 0%, stuck.
>Open troubleshooter
>they have a button just for their broken updater
>wait 15 minutes
>"database fixed, restart"
>restart
>starts trying to download the same broken update
>cant disable broken updater
>cant decline the update
>cant use my fucking computer

Oh and image related (phone camera because computer was too dead to screenshot), another previous problem. No way to close every single process, and they all were legitimate java updating processes.
Windows 10 should be labeled "beta".

>>57597743
literally any

>>57603175
so much this, i loved every single moment after i switched.
Having to work with a broken piece of shit is frustrating at best

>>57600101
I have Enterprise and I blocked all updates. I'll only update when there's a major one.

I think it worked in the Pro version I had before too.

Definetely the host file domain blocking thing works, together with a few policy changes.

>>57600501
Horrible.
How can you see that tiny text?

>>57603706
he doesnt sit far from his monitor, doesnt need glasses/contacts, or isnt autistic like you. come to terms with as many as you like but be sure to realize that at least one is true

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>>57597743
Still king

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>>57597743
there isn't any

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>Windows 10

>>57598207
This. I'm waiting for the 64gb acer r13 chromebook fuck windows

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>>57598880
>did you know that most children grow up with Windows than any other OS?
That's because more people in general use windows and it would weird if children were the exception.
>did you know that macOS mostly is used by people over 20?
That's because it's a shit os that is only ever used on overpriced hardware that only a retard would give to a child.
I'd also like to add that it's a fact that more homesexuals use Mac's and lucky faggots don't reproduce.
>Mac OS has hit an evolutionary dead end

>>57598202
nice bait

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>>57604489
>you
kys

>>57597764
Yeah. Uh huh. Keep saying that, shill. Ooh! I gotcha there, didn’t I? Yessir I did. You are a shill. How’s it feel to be paid by Apple? I think nobody has ever asked you that one, huh? Yeah. Okay, buddy. Keep saying that. Sure thing. Uh huh. Silly shill. I bet all you do is shill. Shill shill shill. What do you do again for a living? Oh thats right. You shill. Yeah, uh huh. Well, I enjoy shills because they are easy to defeat in arguments. I know it sounds like cringe but I actually have a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet that shows how many arguments i’ve won. It’s pretty well organized and stuff. I would upload it but you’d probably data-mine all that information so too bad. Because you’re a shill. Y’know? I mean, who else would disagree with me? I’m the most popular man on this board and I’m only 20. Next year when I’m old enough to drink, I’m going to get some bourbon and think of you, little shill. I am, of course, assuming things about your size. Lol. Get it? I’m funny, aren’t I? You can’t laugh though, that is not in your script. Because you’re a shill. Yeah. Uh huh. Keep saying that, shill. Oooh. Yeah. I totally gotcha. Incrementing my times won an argument number.

>>57597743
5 rupees have been deposited into your account Rajesh.
- Microsoft

>>57602289
I was with you until GIMP.
You must be seriously retarded to think that piece of shit is good.

>>57598278
>Linux have much broad options

Padjeet confirmed

>>57606323
ok, so it's easy. Provide a thread of reasoning where we can reasonably conclude that gimp is a "piece of shit".

>>57597743
Why not have Windows on a dedicated work machine like a normal person, and use whatever the fuck you want on your main PC?

>>57599900
You can install Win10 without a key and it runs fine (for now). The only restriction is that you can't change the theme or background.

The alternative is the free accessibility upgrade which is still running. Google it.

>>57597743
OpenVMS
it just werks

>>57605513
>os changing my settings is now okay

>>57597743
TempleOS

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>>57597743
DOS.

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>>57602157
>If you have to design industrial equipment with AutoCAD, fuck no.

If you think that ACAD is the ne-plus-ultra of CAD, you, sir, do not do industrial design. ACAD is the kiddie pool of CAD.

Siemens would like a word with you about NX. Which runs on Linux, incidentally.

>You can't just replace it with the open source alternative written by two people and expect it to work just fine.

You seem to think that "open source" means "amateurish"

You would be wrong.

>Same with Premiere or After Effects. Blender might be able to achieve more or less the same thing, but the learning curve is astronomically high

Any kind of complex software has a difficult learning curve. That's why they make manuals. Sit Joe User down at an AfterEffects setup without a manual and see how far you get. Your argument is bullshit on wheels.

>and you'd have to find a most likely inferior replacement for every plugin or script or tool you use that would directly impede your productivity.

This is barely english on top of being wrong.

> Tons of absolutely vital software with no alternative

Welcome to 20 years ago.

Let's go back to CAD here for a second. The fact that you called ACAD implying it as a "top of the line" CAD platform tells me that you are:

1. An undergrad student
or
2. A high-schooler. 4chan is an age-restricted board, so I'm going to assume 1.

ACAD LT, which you probably have, can be /replaced/ by Dassault's middle-finger to Autodesk called Draftsight. Which is free of cost to anyone. THIS RUNS ON LINUX.

And I have yet to find a situation where VariCAD, a parametric 3D modeling CAD (like SolidWorks) can't beat Autocad in ease-of-use and performance. It's also a fuckload less expensive - the price of ACAD LT, which is only 2D. And it runs on Linux.

And then there is the top dog. NX (Formerly Unigrafics NX. ) Which runs on Linux. Which you /can't afford/ unless you are a large corporation or someone with more money than sense.

>>57597743
I can't!

>>57602166
Not him but the no games argument is still true. Windows is the best OS for gaming mostly due to DirectX being better than garbage Khronos puts out, so the simple process of porting a game that was developed for console to Windows to won't affect negatively the performance of the game. This with the fact that the Linux marketshare is small compared to Windows due to garbage like OpenGL/OpenAL, unstable ABIs and horrible audio stack.

The fact though is that the situation on Linux is still the same as decade ago, it's unstable trash and now those who prefer Linux still have nogames, keeping the vicious circle, but still there's a lot of things to do for Linux to compete in the gaming side. You can beg like bunch of entitled chidren on Steam forums spamming epic "no tux = no bux"

I notice some people want Linux to happen but let me ask (not directed specifically to the person i'm replying): how are any of you benefited in a meaningful way with the Linux? Because I consider that software freedom to be meme of autistic unemployed neckbeards not contributing any meaningful way to technology.

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>>57597791
I've had Windows 10 since the beta and never ever do I remember having been prompted to update, much less forced to do so. Just shut your computer down every night like a normal person and everything it done automatically completely behind the scenes.

>>57597743
Ubuntu
i3
Vivaldi (any browser with tiling tab functionality will do, though)
Google Docs (if you don't mind the botnet)

I literally refuse to do my teacher's assistant grading in my office on my Mac because this setup is that much more efficient.

>>57617181
>Google Docs (if you don't mind the botnet)

Can't even automatically number headings and images. It's garbage for productivity.

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>>57616785

>The fact though is that the situation on Linux is still the same as decade ago, it's unstable trash

>unstable trash

I have a serious question. Why do you think it's unstable trash? Because any mainstream Linux installation is more stable than any installation of Windows. If it was unstable, the Top500 wouldn't be using Linux in nearly every supercomputer configuration. When you have a machine that costs millions of dollars, are you going to go cheap on the OS if the OS is unstable? No.

> and now those who prefer Linux still have nogames, keeping the vicious circle, but still there's a lot of things to do for Linux to compete in the gaming side. You can beg like bunch of entitled chidren on Steam forums spamming epic "no tux = no bux"

That's how the market works, idiot. Supply and demand. If suppliers want to ignore the Linux market, they are free to do so. However, they don't get any money for ignoring it. Why do you hate the free market?

>I notice some people want Linux to happen

It's already happened. It totally locked Microsoft out of the phone business. Android is Linux with a Java userspace. Indeed, the first version of Android was built on Ubuntu's Edgy Eft. Microsoft is almost locked out of the tablet business, except for ultrabook convertibles and their own Surface, the vast majority of tablets are Android and iOS.

>but let me ask (not directed specifically to the person i'm replying): how are any of you benefited in a meaningful way with the Linux?

Most people benefit in not being nickel-and-dimed to have a usable computer. A fresh installation of Windows, by itself, is utterly useless. Compare and contrast to a standard installation of Ubuntu.

> Because I consider that software freedom to be meme of autistic unemployed neckbeards not contributing any meaningful way to technology.

That's your opinion. It's also wrong.

>>57617331

Microsoft Word can't even count words properly.

Don't /even/ think of using it to write court documents that have hard word count limits.

>>57598215

/Thread.

>>57603784
But I like to sit back on my comfy chair and read on my monitor from at least 50cm distance, like a baws.

It's autistic to stick your eyeballs into the screen, just because you want >mah small fonts asetheticz.

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>>57619865
No one cares.

>>57616785
>how are any of you benefited in a meaningful way with the Linux?

I like Linux for media servers, ripping DVDs, and being a fairly safe host for XP virtual machines for the rare piece of software that doesn't run on 7 or 10. Otherwise, I wouldn't touch Linux for my general everyday stuff. I've accepted that Linux will never gain much more traction in the everyday user, as in devices that aren't supercomputers.

I'd say that for the uses I've mentioned, Linux is more than good enough but again, I gave up on the "Year of the Linux Desktop" meme.

>>57618210
Stability means totally different things between the average computer user and corporations. Linux instability for the average user comes from the fact that Linux has so much software and so many distros that vary only slightly. The fact that Linux for some reason has to have several init systems, several DEs, etc. prevents a consistent experience for the computer user even between versions of the same distro.

Compare this with a corporation, they have the money, manpower and manhours to deploy hardware that's all the same and make their own distro of Linux that is catered to their needs.

>Most people benefit in not being nickel-and-dimed to have a usable computer. A fresh installation of Windows, by itself, is utterly useless.

Considering the amount of free software on Windows, I see no issue with this. I'd rather download what I need than to uninstall what I don't. Windows 10 lets people have a decent browser, a music and video player, a decent file system, etc. That's good enough for a lot of people. Linux Mint is pretty cash though if you just want everything in one nice package though.

>>57599538
what the fuck

>>57620101
You do senpai, desu

>>57612655
Wintoddler torn to shreds lmao

>>57600836
i'm not memeing or anything, just ask yourself the question: why would you want to update to win10.
If you have win7 you will get NOTHING new with windows 10 that is useful for productivity/games/ricing idk. Even in the worst case scenario, if you have win8.1 and want the start menu, just install classic shell, i've been using it for two years. There is literally no reason for you to update to win10, don't fall for the meme

>>57597743
Can anyone tell me how you allow W10 to download updates whenever the fuck it pleases but NOT FUCKING RESTART WHENEVER THE FUCK IT PLEASES ONLY WHEN I FUCKING SAY?

>>57620779
I've seen a lot of companies move from Windows to Linux internally. I've seen those small premade ITX systems to be quite popular. Usually required packages are installed via Ansible and the broadcast domain is then immediately isolated and connectivity to most of the internet removed. Updates can be then pushed out via Ansible only when needed. Windows is still needed since a lot of stuff depends on MS technologies so RDP into Windows Server is often used.

>>57620946
My sisters PC does this constantly and it is annoying as fuck. Completely chokes up my internet connection and I have to drop forwards from it to the internet from my firewall everytime it does this.

Xubuntu. Gets all my stuff done. My whole family uses it as well.It's a lot easier than windows if you know how to use a computer as well.

Prove me wrong
>you can't

lul
>implying windows 10 is not spywhere

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>>57620779
>>57618210 (You)
>Stability means totally different things between the average computer user and corporations. Linux instability for the average user comes from the fact that Linux has so much software and so many distros that vary only slightly. The fact that Linux for some reason has to have several init systems, several DEs, etc. prevents a consistent experience for the computer user even between versions of the same distro.

None of this matters to the average user of any OS, be it iOS, Linux, Windows, BeOS, whatever. You're nattering on about minor differences at the infrastructure level for linux distributions. A regular user doesn't need to know /any/ of that stuff - they just install a $MAJORDISTRO and pull packages from the repository. And even then, there are really only 3 major configurations: Debian, Redhat, and Slackware based distros. SuSE is Slackware with RPM, for example. Gentoo and Arch are not included here because they are fringe.

>Compare this with a corporation, they have the money, manpower and manhours to deploy hardware that's all the same and make their own distro of Linux that is catered to their needs.

Google does this, sortof. They use Ubuntu internally on the desktop and I believe a version of debian server or ubuntu server on the back end with some special sauce. But the fact is they're huge fans of Ubuntu - even Android's first version was based on Edgy Eft.

>Considering the amount of free software on Windows, I see no issue with this.
>downloading packages individually

Having to install Windows and then hunt down Windows versions of Linux packages all over the bloody place is a pain in the ass. The /only/ "easy" way is to use Portableapps.com, but then, why when you can just install Ubuntu?

>I'd rather download what I need than to uninstall what I don't.

Then start with a minimal text-only install of a linux distro and build up from there. It's what I do. It's dead easy.

>>57621162
Prove yourself right. At the end of the day if someone is asking this question they probably don't know a whole lot about Xubuntu other than 'it's a Linux distro'. Also, 'know how to use a computer' is very vague, I know how to use a computer to do things I want to do with it on Windows, but is that the case if I start using Xubuntu?

All a ""human"" needs in his laptop is google chrome and a calendar app.

So Linux is a better option than windows any day.

>>57621076
>rd[

Linux has supported RDP for over a decade, afaicr.

>>57621235
Yes,I get my shit done in Xubuntu with zero problems.

>>57621076
>RDP is a windows only technology
lel

>>57621335
I'm not being demeaning, I'm genuinely curious. Why should I trust the words of a random anon on /g/? I need some substance.

>>57621358
It's fast, configurable and free. Also Linux is way more easier to debug.
Xfce is my preferred DE so I went for Xubuntu.

Good thing about Linux is: there's a Live ISO. So you don't have to trust a random person, you can test the OS by yourself without even installing which gives you an idea how flexible the OS is.

>>57621317
>>57621357
Eh? I mean RDP is used to get into Windows Server system with different user accounts to do a specific task/work in that environment

>>57621229
>SuSE is Slackware
Maybe 20 yrs ago they changed to RHEL.

>>57621507
and?

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>>57621463
>Xfce is my preferred DE so I went for Xubuntu.
Well... I think Xubuntu gives bad name for a good DE with it's uniq bugs.

>>57621559
What is uniq?

>>57621582
uniq(1) - report or omit repeated lines

>>57621614
What does repeated lines have to do with Xubuntu?

>>57621516

No, SuSE is slackware with RPM.

You will notice how you can't simply take RHAT packages and dump them into a SuSE installation. Because things are organized differently in the directory tree.

It's Slackware organization with RPM as the package manager. You /can/ easily stick Slackware stuff into SuSE.

>>57597743
Windows 7

>>57621713
>You /can/ easily stick Slackware stuff into SuSE.
>BSD init

Some packages must compile with systemd flags.

>>57618210
enjoy no software cuck

>>57621873
Enjoy my cock.

>>57621791
>Some packages must compile with systemd flags.

Yes, but that's about all you need to do. The point I was trying to make was that you /cannot/ just stick default Redhat RPM packages into SuSE and expect things to not get out-of-whack.

Because I've personally tried it. It doesn't work. Nope.

>>57621873

What the /fuck/ is your major malfunction?

>>57621791
daily reminder that systemd is NSA botnet

>>57621229
I'm talking about things that do affect the system. Maybe I said it wrong at first, but my main gripe is how fragmented Linux is.

>Having to install Windows and then hunt down Windows versions of Linux packages all over the bloody place is a pain in the ass. The /only/ "easy" way is to use Portableapps.com, but then, why when you can just install Ubuntu?

I use Linux but not for a general use OS. Again, I mostly use it for ripping media and servers of said media. Anything like gaming or anything else I use Windows.

>>57598169
t. mactoddler

>>57616785
I'm learning to program with Fortran, and Linux is far and away the best OS for programming.

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>>57598242
t. mactoddler

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>>57598330

>>57622072
That's true... But I use Windows 10...

>>57597743
Windows 7
Ubuntu
OSX

>>57603640
The Enterprise version is the only one that semi-resembles previous versions of Windows in ability to control the operating system. They removed a bunch of controls from Pro.

Task of productivity or single person productivity, single person is personal preference. Unless you don't want to enjoy your productivity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_adoption#Supercomputers

>>57622548
>but my main gripe is how fragmented Linux is.

But it's not, really.

Under the hood, it's all the fucking same.

The major differences are package management and default applications. These differences are /cosmetic/.

This is not the same as Unix fragmentation, where you have SysV versus BSD and /proprietary/ versions of such like Solaris, HP/UX, and whatever IBM is pushing at the moment.

>>57597743
Debian for most stuff. Mac OS X for some things like XCode, Adobe shit, MS Office, etc. OS X is better than Windows and there is nothing wrong with using it as long as you hackintosh. Apple hardware is a meme.

>>57620917
Windows 10 is the only OS DX12 will work on