/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

No thanks

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>g*u

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first for St. iGNUcius, the saint of the church of emacs

Asking agin because no one seemed to answer last thread:

Is there anywhere I can go to get some intuitive explanations of things like kernels, shells and all the fundamental shit like that? How it all goes together to make an OS work?

I feel like it is almost necessary to have the basic knowledge of all this stuff if you want to go about properly utilising GNU/Linux

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>>57584877
>g*u

>>57584861
>>57584885
>anime face
>ebin swaying negro reaction image

Let us welcome our friends from /v/eddit

>>57584880
>g*u
maybe stop calling it this and then you might get an answer
>>57584899
i'm just from reddit not from v
gnu is so fucken cool

>>57584880
No, there isn't a centralized website dedicated to "how every component of typical Linux-based operating system works"

If you have a problem with certain software, you look for documentation and resources available for that particular software

>>57584880
http://www.tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/

>>57584885
>>57584909
please explain this asterisk maymay, i'm dumb

>>57584936
>maymay
f*ck off, redditor

>>57584936
One maori nigger (New *****nd) d*de is being autistic.

>>57584959
Go back to your /bst/ hugbox, maori nigger

>>57584909
b-but this thread is friendly ''''GNU''''/Linux
>>57584915
Don't have a problem with any software, just curious as to how it all works and how everything interacts to make it work. Might make it useful when troubleshooting and solving problems further down the line when I make the big switch
>>57584932
Thanks I'll give it a look now

>>57584771

You could have "learned" about filesystems, bootloaders and the kernel from any distribution.

>how kernels work
I am willing to bet 1000$ that you know nothing about how kernels work. All you might know is how to go through a menu and select certain options you want from a kernel.

>>57584985
could've bet your penis desu to make it more fun

>>57584861
>>57584885
>>57584959
>>57584964
>>57584980
avatarfags and subhumans throwing shit at each other

/fglt/ is off to a great start

>>57584998
>start
hehe
hello! fresh off the boat i see......

>>57584998

It's all just 1 person. There cannot possibly be 2 or more people as retarded as the initial guy. Just ignore it.

>>57585013
>just ignore it
as a professional in this field i wouldn't recommend this
it could work if the posters aren't autistic but it clearly isn't the case here
ignoring a disease makes it a lot worse

Daily reminder that giving an autistic person (You) could save him from committing suicide.

Save lifes, respond to trolls

>>57585049
you clearly don't know how it works
yous are simply a myth created to give people the illusion of solving a problem by not responding
you could literally not respond and nothing would change if the intentions are what I think they are.

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I don't get it.

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Hey /g/, what's the best lightweight and user-friendly distro for daily use?

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Hey guys, I have a question

I'm a Debian Testing user and I didn't run upgrades for a week or so. Coming back and doing it, I'm getting dependency conflicts with Calibre, prompting me to remove it. I already cycled through the alternatives and it never lets me keep the package as is.

What should I do? Should I just wait a while more before updating to keep my Calibre in place?

Thank you very much in advance

>>57585577
i would say Lubuntu if you are unfamiliar with linux.
Debian net-install with a lightweight wm like lxde.
Gentoo if your pc is fast enough to compile your softwares. I would stick to Bunsenlabs or Deb+LXDE if i were you

>>57585583
Not really helpful but: Debian testing isn't a good choice, you should either use stable or unstable. Testing is basically frozen unstable, so you can end up with conflicts and need to wait for the next freeze, while unstable gets fixes and stable only get's stable stuff anyway.

i was going to install debian
but i because freebsd is better (thatrs what my professor told me)
i install freebsd
can someone help me pls

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Is this part of the google botnet?

Why the fuck is it almost 500mg for some fonts?

>>57585583
Did you try aptitude, it usually helps you to resolve issues.
Alternativly, try apt-get -f install.

>>57585647
Because it's the whole backup of all google fonts in all sizes and colors.

>>57585666
Is it safe to install?

I don't really understand how AUR works at all or how I'm suppose to interpret PKGBUILD's

>>57585647

>fonts
>botnet
>needs approval for everything he does
>doesn't know what a botnet is
>most likely installs everything he can from the AUR

How do you justify your existence?

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>>57585622
I actually use Debian unstable on my laptop, so I see what you mean. I use Testing on my desktop though, under the pretense of having more of a safety net if shit hits the fan (I don't really care as much for the data in my laptop, as it's basically a backup)

>>57585654
I did try aptitude, it's why I said I was cycling through the options and it doesn't let me just keep Calibre intact as usual when dependency conflicts arise

http://pastebin.com/2NakwUmz

Here are the messages

>>57585681
>probably runs obvious botnet shit on his machine
>is worried about a font package because "le google is bad xD"
lol

>>57585681
>I don't really understand how AUR works at all

Average_arch_user.txt

>>57585681

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_User_Repository

>>57585681
>Is it safe to install?
A good question you should ask every time when you install something from the AUR.

You should check the PKGBUILD file if everything's fine and maybe, if it's some literally who guy, check the github source also.

>>57585708
>>>/trash/
pls don't be a dick man

>>57585738
>>>/r/eddit

>>57585716

>I don't really understand how AUR works at all, but I still install packages from it with my new package manager yaourt which is installed by doing something weird inside some pacman.conf file and adding something below [repository] or whatever
Average_arch_user_that_posts_on_here.txt

I patched your post.

>>57585745
Stop wasting precious 4chan megabytes.

>>57585771
>>>/r/gaming

>>57585702
>>57585708
>>57585716
Why are you guys so rude?

I'm just trying to learn.

>>57585719
Yeah but I just don't get it indepth. Guess I need to do some more reading.

I barely installed anything from AUR.

>>57585730
>You should check the PKGBUILD file if everything's fine and maybe, if it's some literally who guy, check the github source also.

How the hell do I interpret it though?

>>57585790
>being this new
>not knowing about the precious 4chan megabytes meme
>>>/r/OutOfTheLoop/

>>57585843
this meme is like 5 hours old

>>57585843
>knowing actual subreddit names
>actually being a fucking redditor
>>>/r/eddit
>>>/r/9k

>>57585814

You don't need to understand it in-depth. Do you know what in-depth means? That would mean knowing the insides of the makepkg program and probably pacman too.

>How the hell do I interpret it though?
Nigga, just read it. I have almost zero Bash skills, but the PKGBUILDs are formatted nicely so even people like me can understand it. At least the initial part where it specifies the variables (source, license, dependencies, etc).

I recommend creating your own PKGBUILD and packaging your own packages. Also, using those AUR helpers doesn't make sense, unless you have 50+ custom packages.

I have come to the conclusion that dynamic linking is the devil

Daily reminder that newcomers are watching. Always.
>So, this is the GNU/Linux things, I see
>shakes head
>turns 360° and walks away

>>57585884
>Nigga, just read it. I have almost zero Bash skills, but the PKGBUILDs are formatted nicely so even people like me can understand it. At least the initial part where it specifies the variables (source, license, dependencies, etc).

I have read it, it seems simple enough. But some parts i just don't get.

Guess ill look more into it. I've been using Yaourt so far

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What's a good dock/launcher app to use along with i3?

>>57585905
No need to show a false picture. Stick to the truth.

To survive in our community, you need a thick skin. -- L. Pottering

>>57585938
why don't you write your own?

>>57585938
dmenu-extended

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>>57585938
>app

>>57585938
dmenu or rofi

and be sure to post your setup over at r/unixporn :^}

>>57585965
>using python shit
no thanks
lol

>>57585985
>unixporn
I first thought "woot, there is a good subreddit?", but then I realized they allow mactoddler posting.
dropped

>>57585961
I don't know how to code, anon. Just a rice whore

>>57585098
pulseaudio in a nutshell.

>>57585938

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/list_of_applications#Application_launchers

>>57585577
Ubuntu MATE

>>57585985
>>57585965
The only dmenu done right is dmenu2.
dmenu: lacks too much basics
rofi: too bloated
others: bad bash hacks

>>57586012
But you use i3. I thought only hackers use it.
Also it's "program" not "code".

>>57585985
I already use rofi for my dmenu. I was talking about something like the Unity laucnher

>>57585990

Yeah, you could totally tell what a program is written in by just running it. You're even more deluded and retarded than audiophiles and that says a lot.

>>57585622
The only 'stable' stuff debian stable gets are stuff that are broken in a specific way and will never be fixed. The meaning of stable is that it doesn't change, not that it doesn't break. That's why I use gentoo: it's actually stable in the 'doesn't break' sense as a consequence of the distro being source-based.

>>57586029
I only use it cause it looks cool :^)

>>57586018

But why?

>>57586036
Here's your you, fellow memer.

>>57586031
You can, 90% of the time.

>>57586025
>dmenu: lacks too much basics
like what?
>>57586031
You can.
You can check what it's written in and if it's in a shitty """"language"""" like python you simply don't install it unless you absolutely have to.

>>57586022
Where's Nova Launcher?

https://stallman.org/netflix.html

>A friend once asked me to watch a video with her that she was going to display on her computer using Netflix. I declined, saying that Netflix was such a threat to freedom that I felt uncomfortable with promoting its use in this way.

Stallman declined netflix & chill cause DRM lmao

>>57586045
Because it's programmed by retards (see: lennart poottering), featuring bug after bug after bug, mostly CLOSEDWONTFIX despite the seriousness of the issue. The average attitude of the devs is "we're perfect! if there's a bug, it's in the kernel!" and they proceed to try to submit in-kernel workaround for their poor-quality software. The result is an unholy, hacky mess that features artifacts, high latency and poor quality audio, all for the measly advantage of per-application volume control.

>>57586078
Lmao

>>57586062
vanilla dmenu doesn't even set a window class for example, w,h,x,y is also useful for pixelperfect autism

>>57586078
You're like the 1.000.000.000.000th guy posthing this, congrats.

>>57586078
>Rejecting streaming DRM is an ethical imperative because this streaming technology is intended to divide people and make them antisocial.
>implying that fat piece of shit has any chance at being "social"
lol
i'd fucking stay clear if i ever saw it irl
that or i'd punch the shit out of it if it was safe to do so

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>>57586051

What's this written in, you programphile?

>>57586123
didn't run it

>>57586085

No, I wanted someone to tell me if they get the image.

>>57586123
>unironically censoring your username
holy shit

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#!++ is really nice. It looks great out of the box, it automates the setup process by using a start-up script, gives you a nice widget with system info and shortcut keys. Also, it's stable, based on Debian Stable (Jessie).
For some reason, the dark theme issue with Firefox isn't occuring. I really like it.

>>57586062

>You can check what it's written in and if it's in a shitty """"language"""" like python you simply don't install it unless you absolutely have to.
That's not the point, retard. The point was that you can't tell by just running it. If you can't tell during runtime, then it clearly means nothing to you.

>>57586153
all this salt from a conformist /v/edditor damn

>>57586150
It's also D E A D. Switch over to bunsenlabs.

>>57586153
Did you just skip the first part of my post? Looks like you're the retarded one here.

>>57586142

The point is to stay anonymous and if someone posts screenshots of his terminal emulator often, you can slowly build an identity and miss out on the anonymous forum experience.

>>57586123
C

>>57586167


>... by just running it
>>57586031

>>57586153
>if you can't tell there's a security vulnerability at runtime security clearly means nothing to you
OK
lol

>>57586169
Nigga what are you doing. Instead of gimping around, just PS1=anonymoose.

>>57586180
see >>57586062 - 1st iteration of "You can"

>>57586165
I thought Crunchbang was dead and Crunchbangplusplus is a resurrection. Am I wrong? Last release was a year ago, which isn't that long for Debian Stable...

>>57586182

Nice.

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What's the command to launch windows in to float mode in i3?

>>57586352
shift+mod+space iirc

>>57586360
That's after you launch them. I want them to launch in to float mode from the get go

>>57586352
>fascism
>has a crown on
>>>/r/eddit

>>57586369
You can't

>>57586369
Add

for_window [workspace="5"] floating enable

and all the windows you launch in desktop 5 will be floating.

That's the best I got.

>>57586389
That's something I guess. How do I add it for multiple workspaces?

>>57586401
someone can't be this retarded, right?
see 3rd sentence of >>57586379

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>>57586447

Hi, my grub doesn't load and i can't access my debian install.
Here's what i've done:
>Installed windows 10
>Made debian usb bootable
>Loaded debian installer
>Resized windows partition to allow free space for debian
>Made /home and other things by debian guided partitioning in the free space
>installed
>confirmed that i wanted to install grub
>done
When i start the pc, grub doesn't appear and i can only load windows 10
>what do

>>57586238
drop into your bashrc, toogle for security

toggleps1() { [ -z "$x" ] && { export x="$PS1"; PS1='rms@gnu:~$ '; } || { PS1="$x"; export x=''; }; }

rms@gnu:~$ toggleps1
lel $ toggleps1
rms@gnu:~$ toggleps1
lel $ toggleps1
rms@gnu:~$ toggleps1
lel $ toggleps1
rms@gnu:~$ toggleps1
lel $

>>57586465
typical hacker aka tiling wm user
why use a tiling wm if you can't even grasp the basics of configuring it by yourself?

>>57586474
>lel $

>>57586490
I know this is such a revolutionary concept to you but you learn something by using it.

>>57586502
How is using something and asking people to spoonfeed you even slightly related? Someone gave you a config line and you couldn't even understand how to modify it even though it should be obvious to anyone with a working brain
>>>/r/eddit

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>>57586531

>>57586474

That's just too much. Nothing wrong with setting it manually with PS1= and then sourcing the old bashrc.

>>57586543
see second line of >>57586531

>>57586546
I'm still on it buddy, currently writing a function that generates a random user + host from /dict/words, kek.

What should i know if i want to get an aws job?

>>57586691
you should call it ps1D

>>57586471
anyone?

>>57587152
Install gentoo on the whole disk.

>>57587152
Install grub again.

>>57587152
Honestly, I have no idea. It would be simple if it was MBR/BIOS, but EFI is really complex and can fail in a million unpredictable ways, all alike. Even locally, it's not easy to debug. Best I can do is suggest reading https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB

I'm currently looking at bumblebee. I am using nvidia drivers but I am not sure if bumblebee is needed and/or compatible with my card.

lspci -vnn | grep '\''[030[02]\]' gives me:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GK107GLM [Quadro K2000M] [10de:0ffb] (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])

On the bumblebee troubleshooting page it states:
>If it outputs two lines, then you're likely having an Optimus laptop. Else, it's probably not one

So it looks like I don't have an optimus laptop then? Is there another way to set up the battery powersaving switching stuff?

>>57584829
What is a great book to learn about linux inner workings, commands an general linux programming?

>>57587252
Seriously, uefi is such a shitshow and such cancer, it's downright amazing.
Anyway, the problem is most likely that a) the nvram entry wasn't overwritten correctly or b) the mobo only looks for the fs0:\EFI\Windows\Boot\bootmgfw.efi image and nothing else (this happens often) while linux distros try to adhere to standards.

>>57587261
Bumblebee will only save power if you use Optimus (and it does so by disabling the nvidia card whenever possible). Otherwise, it's all up to the nvidia drivers themselves, and bumblebee won't even do anything. Power saving support is notoriously bad when using nouveau, but i'm not sure about the proprietary drivers.

>>57587277
The Gentoo Installation Handbook

>>57587277
any book about slackware

>>57587277
any handbook about slackware

>>57587252
this, U/EFI is the fuckin worst

So what does upstream and downstream mean? Is an app faster if it's upstreamed?

>>57587357
I see. This is all new to me, I've never had any choice about drivers before when I had my shitty ancient laptop.

I 've just found mention of this on gentoo forum:

lspci | grep VGA
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GK107GLM [Quadro K2000M] (rev ff) 

The output for me is just

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GK107GLM [Quadro K2000M] (rev a1)
Shouldn't I be seeing the other integrated like too?

>>57587465
upstream is the original developer, downstream are the people who take that code and do something with it

for instance, firefox: mozilla is the upstream, while debian, gentoo, pale moon, openbsd are all its downstreams

usually upstreaming code is good because a lot more people are going to use it and maintain it

>>57587465
It means directly from the developers or from whatever repo, usually. It has no direct relation to speed.

>>57587504
So upstream apps should be faster because the people directly made them, right?
>>57587511
Shouldn't it be more optimized?

>>57587536
>Shouldn't it be more optimized?
devs release version 1.12
users currently have version 1.11

Does that make it faster?
It simply means the devs have the freshest version (usually).

>>57587497
If you had an optimus hybrid graphics card, then yes you should
most newer laptops don't use hybrid graphics though, usually because the display is very high-res and the integrated card isn't powerful enough to drive it
for instance, here's the lspci from my one optimus laptop:

00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09)
02:00.0 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF117M [GeForce 610M/710M/820M / GT 620M/625M/630M/720M] (rev a1)

>>57587465
upstream means you're the one peeing; downstream means you're getting peed on.

>>57587420
>>57587453
Not that anon, but I never understood how slackware is maintainable.

Is it actually possible to maintain without spending 5000 a week reading through dependency lists?

If I forget I installed something one time to solve a dependency problem will it come back and bite me in the ass 3 years later when a conflicting dependency can't be installed alongside that thing and I can't figure out why I have it in the first place?
etc... So many issues come to mind. Is it really difficult or is it easier than you'd think?

>>57587565
So could the same graphics card in one laptop have an integrated card as well but not on another?

>>57587564
Can't users use the upstreamed version of 1.11 to get better speeds and optimization?
>>57587572
So upstream is better.

>>57587595
For the same model? Unlikely, unless the OEM sold different hardware revisions under the same name at different times (not impossible).
>>57587608
I honestly can't tell if you're serious. Upstream is vanilla, downstream is adapted.

>>57587608
>Can't users use the upstreamed version of 1.11 to get better speeds and optimization?
Yes, users do use the upstream version when it is released and their repository provides it. It would only be "faster" if the devs specifically made some change in that respect. Being a different version number doesn't make it faster or more optimized.

>>57587630
That's what I'm confused about. >>57587497 this example I found on the gentoo forum has the same card but a different rev version and that one has Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller. I don't have anything else listed. Is it possible mine is not being recognized somehow?

>>57587630
Yeah. I get that. Wouldn't unmodified be faster?
>>57587644
But if you are currently using downstreamed 1.11 you could get better speeds and optimization by using upstreamed 1.11, right?

>>57587680
>But if you are currently using downstreamed 1.11 you could get better speeds and optimization by using upstreamed 1.11, right?
Reread what I just wrote. Are you trying to fucking dense?
>It would only be "faster" if the devs specifically made some change in that respect. Being a different version number doesn't make it faster or more optimized.

If I am a dev and I fix a couple of minor bugs and release a new version then the program is not going to be faster because I fixed a bug or two.

>>57587235
how?

>>57587706
I did. But the version stays the same. It's just 1.11 upstreamed or downstreamed.

Yeah, that makes sense. But the program would be a different version. I'm talking about the same version but upstreamed and downstreamed.

>>57587574
Its easier than you would think.
When you go to a program's website, they usually have a page on dependencies. So you just check what you have installed and their version , compare it to the requirements. Grab what you are missing and compile it. Then finally, compile the program you were initially wanted.

Some people like the involvement; The same way some use a distro because it didn't have an installer

>>57587668
That's weird. I mean, it's possible, perhaps your kernel drivers are different versions or something like that. Or maybe it's a slightly different model somehow. Also double-check if there's a BIOS setting that disables/enables the integrated card (it's rare but sometimes it's there). But it sure is pretty unusual.

>>57587731
Most cases there would not be any difference. Most distros take the code, compile it however they see fit and give you the binary. Upstream (mostly) just give the code. There could be further optimizations if you compiled the code specifically for your hardware, this is one of the reasons for gentoo.

>>57587746
Yeah I was looking in the bios but there is no option for it. Well I will look in to it then, I wasn't sure if I just wasn't understanding something.

>>57587766
How much optimization does something like gentoo give you? Like how much faster or more optimized will the upstreamed version of firefox be on gentoo?

>>57587808
When you get a package to compile in gentoo it is at that point, by definition, downstream. I'm not sure what about this you're not getting.
The optimizations can vary. Often loading times are reduced. If you have old hardware you can visibly see the difference.

>>57587733
You know I think I might just give it a shot. It's kind of difficult to find information on this stuff, the process behind maintaining packages.

Maybe It'll all finally make sense if I just do it myself for a while

>>57587839
Why? Aren't you compiling from the machine or source code the programmers wrote? How is that not an upstreamed version of Firefox?
Yeah. I have really slow hardware and just 2gb of RAM but it isn't that old. I think I should install it then.

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>>57585577

>>57587883
People have told you what upstream and downstream means. No one said that the code has to be any different.

>>57587933
So it will be an upstreamed and more optimized version. Great.

>>57587940
Jesus christ, if you say so dude.

Recommend 13" or 14" linux friendly laptop with dedicated gpu for black friday please

Will be used for some 3d development, vulkan support is a must (but not high level crazy graphics for AAA games so nothing of that tier is needed just for people who say gaming+laptop is dumb, i agree)

>>57588053
no

>>57588053
>linux friendly laptop
>with dedicated gpu
Pick one buddy.

Discrete GPUs do not work well in Linux. Period.
Even worse in laptops because then you have to fumble with switching GPU and that is a major pain in the ass.

A linux friendly laptop is a laptop with Intel CPU with it's integrated GPU.
If you want something more powerful look for devices which come with IrisPro graphics, I'm sure there are few ""mobile-workstation"" that fit the bill

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You guys know any borderless image viewers for linux?

>>57588149
mpv

>>57588160
huh?

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>>57588149
ImageMagick suite comes with one

>>57588053
Dell Precision M3510

>>57588211
What's up?

>>57588213
IM is super wonky and it messes with the aspect ratio when you resize

>>57588211
>>57588149

mpv --pause --no-border https://i.4cdn.org/g/1479584070691.jpg
display spiderman.jpg
feh --borderless spiderman.jpg

What firewall does GNU/Linux use?

What is the MS Paint of Linux? I got a refurbished laptop today and it was on Ubuntu so I've been playing around with it today. Just now I wanted to doodle something in Paint real quick but then it hit me there is no Paint

>>57588295
iptables
>>57588298
pinta

>>57588300
Are iptables difficult to understand? I remember back when I used Ubuntu there was something called ufw and gufw.

>>57588298
just use gimp, when you disable loading fonts, it fires up instantly
>>57588316
a bit, you can also use ufw (uncomplicated firewall) which is a frontent for iptables, or gufw if you prefer gui

>>57588316
>ufw and gufw.
Those are basic frontends (both cli and gui) to iptables to make management for your-average-desktop-user easier.

You can install them on most distros (Fedora doesn't have it unfortunately).
Look it up in your desktop repository, I personally would recommend it

>compiling firefox with GCC takes 3h 35m
>compiling it with clang takes 1h 35m
Why is there such a big difference?
I'm on shit hardware. Should I just use clang for everything it can compile?

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Newfag to /g/ here.
I was thinking of this shit lately, and I was thinking if I can ask a few questions.


t. notepad coder

>>57588653
>Why is there such a big difference?
They're different compilers and their performance varies depending on the workload.

>Should I just use clang for everything it can compile?
If it doesn't throw errors and everything works I don't see why you couldn't.
One thing you won't be able to compile is the linux kernel since it makes heavy use of gcc specific extensions.

No idea why the difference is so big, usually we're talking about 10-30% of performance difference between one and another depending on the workload.

Are you sure you didn't skimp on thread count with gcc?


>>57588677
shoot.

>>57588340
>>57588598
I want to understand iptables so I can make my own rule sets and make better use of front ends. How long would it take to understand it? Any recommended links to read?

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>>57588703
What is good for gaming?
Is it much easier then windows 10?
Do I get to add my own effects like, backgrounds, toolbars, widgets, etc?
Is it more cleaner?
And does it support, steam, discord, skype, etc

Another anon working with iptables. What sort of feedback should I receive when a blocked IP tries to login via SSH?

Ok fellow Gentoomen I need some help. I just decided to clean up all my config files portage uses (keywords, masks, USE flags, make.conf, etc..) on an install that's probably 3-4yrs old

So I found my "world" file and was going to just go through it and make sure that I only had stuff in there I know I want. But I'm seeing some things that I can't for the life of me ever remember installing.
Is it supposed to contain extra things? Maybe stuff from the fact that I chose the "desktop profile"?
I already removed something called "parcellite", do I need that? Or is that something I probably installed and just don't remember?

>>57588123
Are all discrete GPUs now based on switching with integrated intel chipsets? I used to have a T61 with a nvidia quadro that worked fine with linux

>>57588703
>If it doesn't throw errors and everything works I don't see why you couldn't.
Yeah. Everything works fine.
>10-30% of performance difference
That's what I expected as well.
>Are you sure you didn't skimp on thread count with gcc?
I have makeopts=-j4 set globally in make.conf and I've seen some programs printing something like "make -j4" when compiling with gcc so that can't be the case. There was only one process related to it when I checked in htop though and there were more with clang.

>>57588771
Just do genlop -e on your package to check when you installed it.

>>57588731
>What is good for gaming?
Nothing Linux related. IF you really insist I would recommend Ubuntu LTS, it simplifies the process of installation of proprietary drivers a lot

>Is it much easier then windows 10?
no

>Do I get to add my own effects like, backgrounds, toolbars, widgets, etc?
You can do literally everything you dreamed about.

>Is it more cleaner?
As in takes up less disk space?
Yes.

>steam
yes, you could've just googled it
>discord
no, you could've just googled it
>skype
yes, you could've googled it

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>>57588834
So Ubuntu LTS?

>>57588855
Or one of it's flavours

>>57588855
Yes. Be sure to use something other than the default DE Unity though since that's shite

>>57588731
>What is good for gaming?
A console kek

>>57588907
Xbox Fag here.

>>57588883
>>57588893
Okay.
So now time to get Virtual Box.
Correct, so I can install it?

>>57588927
Yes. I give you permission to install it.
It'll probably run like shit in virtualbox though (graphics wise) so don't expect that to be normal behavior.

>>57588927
Are you going to install it in a virtual machine?
Lmao, why are you asking about gaming then? Virtual Machines rarely offer 3d acceleration and in virtualbox it's only an experimental feature.

Expecting any 3d performance would be just silly.

Also for VM go with any distro you think sounds good, it's not like you're stuck with it once you install it.

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Hi, I make close to minimum wage doing menial labor. I would like to secure my family's future and get a better paying job.

What distro is right for me?

>>57588986
>minimum wage
>has a family
you deserve it

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>>57588980
I just don't wanna use Windows 10 mang.
Got any things besides the box then?

>>57588986
Anything that doesn't turn you into a perpetual state of installation maintenance.

Centos, ubuntu lts, debian, opensuse leap

>>57588996
what? is that pic supposed to be you?
If you are using a vm for testing purposes that's fine, but why the fuck would you want to run a "game" in it?

>>57588996
Could you rephrase the question? I have a hard time deciphering what you just said

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>>57589023
>>57589013
What? No that's not me.
Look, the reason why I do not like windows 10 is because it's just plain ugly.
I keep getting fucking updates, I want to try coding for the first time, and the gaming, well I keep it as a side.

>>57589005
Thanks.

>>57589043
Use windows 7.

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>>57589070
Okay then

>>57589043
Consider getting a secondary HDD to install whatever distro you like.

HDD aren't expensive and you're not risking fucking something up with dualbooting.

But until you're confident enough with Linux I would not advice ditching it up completely day 1.

Sooner or later along the line you will encounter a situation when you will go "oh shit I could use a working windows computer"

>>57589082
also, see >>57589100
he speaks the truth

Manjaro xfce or Debian xfce? Im new.

>>57589208
>Im new.
xubuntu

>>57589208
see >>57589214

>>57589129
>>57589218
nice, i got myself a yesman

I have a bit of a problem when I use nvidia drivers on my laptop, some videos in firefox don't play properly and just show the first few frames repeating over and over. Youtube seems to work fine but videos on places like twitter, facebook, eroshare etc are affected. The Nouveau drivers work fine but I've heard it is better to use the nvidia ones.
Any have any idea how to fix this?

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Can you add custom command launcher in GNOME's top panel these days?

>>57588149

nomacs

>>57589279
Does Nouveau work fine? Yes? Keep using it and don't fall for the memes.

>>57589279
>The Nouveau drivers work fine but I've heard it is better to use the nvidia ones.
You should. The noveau drivers are of poor quality, unlike opensource radeon which is better than the proprietary drivers amd offers

>>57588598

Fedora has firewalld, which has one big advantage and that's per-connection rules.

>>57589326
So far yes, it does everything I need it to but I don't know much about graphics. I read that I lose 3D acceleration with Nouveau but I don't know what that is. I don't do any gaming so maybe I can live without it.

>>57589341
Ok. Do you have any idea about the problem with videos?

Does anyone know why kmozillahelper doesn't honor my kmozillahelperrc? It shows my recent files and everything so it's working. It just doesn't show any previews.

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So, I got a new graphics card (1070) and decided to put a new distro in instead of Mint. Upon startup to install, my mouse doesn't move at all. I unplugged and plugged in again and even tried another distro.

What could it be?

>>57589358
Fedora also SELinux, developed by the NSA

>>57589358
I gave up on firewalld after it made me unable to access SMB despite samba services and all relevant ports being opened.

>>57589462
dead mouse

>>57589473
Not him but I don't get your point.
SELinux is co-developed by redhat and was GNU GPL since always

>>57589497
>Not him but
newfag

>>57589494
Well, I dual boot Windows and it works just fine on there.

>>57589473
And?

>>57589521
>>>/v/

>>57589462
The noveau drivers (the open source drivers for your new gpu).

Disable your GPU in uefi/bios and boot from the integrated one.
Install the OS, install the proprietary drivers.
Re-enable the discrete GPU

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>organising your files through CLI while listening music.
Is there a more gentle feel for a Saturday afternoon?

>>57589478

How do you know it was firewalld related and not something on your behalf? Ask on the issue tracker.

>>57589545
Buddy if you got nothing to say just don't say anything.

>>57589554
but anon... it's sunday morning

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>>57589554
What music are you listening right now?

I'm having breakfast to this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHCO6CRTLT8&index=27&list=RDLWJR4ZxwkAs

>>57589583
Good morning, maori nigger

>>57589583
>what are timezones

>>57589609
Stop being racist.

>>57589609
>nigger
the fuck?

>>57589558
>How do you know it was firewalld related and not something on your behalf?
Because it has worked properly before and I haven't made any modifications (especially to core components and samba) whatsoever.

It was firewalld for sure because shutting down the firewalld.service would fix the problem immediately (as in allow me to access the previously unaccessible smb network).

Before I actually switched to different distro (a shame actually since I really enjoyed Fedora for well over a year) I did a clean install on a different drive just to be 100% sure it wasn't a fuck up on my side. To no avail unfortunately.

Not hating buddy, I still think that nothing tops rpm/dnf and all the development tools related to it.

>>57585702
>Please be civil, notice the "Friendly" in every Friendly GNU/Linux Thread.

>>57589616
>blaming your mistake on something else
anon...
>>57589609
Good morning. Maori "niggers" are on a neighbouring island.

>>57589603
This is /g/ - Technology; please post anime contrent at >>>/a/ - Anime and Manga. Thanks!

>>57589583
Well, it's actually night already here in Europestan.

>>57589603
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iigmNuZRlqU&list=PLeqNmVQ4QMonZhbvAn9IBMfkFsHCHHJUv

This, right now. My playlist is a mixed bag. Yours is like a lullaby. Thanks for sharing, anon.

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>>57589641

>>57589677
Oh. I didn't think we had people from that place here.
Do you guys still have internet over there as well?

>>57589664
>Maori "niggers" are on a neighbouring island.
I thought you are a k**i

>>57589644

No, I meant as in you didn't configure it properly. I had no problems with any network services, all I had to do was allow the right ports.

>>57586471
The only way I know of to make this work is to boot in BIOS install Debian, then switch between BIOS and UEFI to boot into Debian and Windows respectively

>>57589691
Thankfully, yes. The government is still corrupt as fuck and no popular vote will ever change that.
West Europe. Try to guess which specific shithole if you want.

Probably I simply don't understand what DPI means but I have some question about font rendering on linux.
My laptop have a 1920x1080 15.6" screen which should mean it has a resolution of ~141 dpi, and apparently it's good to round that number to a multiple of 12, so let's say 144 dpi.
Now, apparently xorg set the dpi to 96 by default so I tried running xrandr --dpi 144 to set the correct value. Obviously the result was oversized font everywhere so I adjusted the fonts size to something I like more.

The thing is that now everything (the font rendering, subhinting ...) looks exactly the same as before I changed any setting.
Is setting the font size and changing the dpi equivalent? should I set a low dpi and bigger font sizes as in the default setting in my system or the correct dpi value and lower font size?

>>57589723
I think you're confusing me for someone anon. I'm not a kiwi or a native.
>>57589735
>West Europe
>big corrupt government
You mean anywhere except Switzerland?

>>57589724
I did enable samba-client and samba services in the "home" network zone (which was default for my home lan and wlan) and after that didn't work I opened the default samba ports manually

>>57589780
Think Greece levels of corruption.

fglt what do you mean by saying new users should install this and this distro? does that mean those distros are simple but lack some features advanced linux user uses?

did linus implement thumbnails in the linux filepicker already? thinking about giving linux another try ...

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>>57589859
Thumbnails are not rendered by the kernel thankfully.

>>57589859
this is not windows buddy.
Things like thumbnails and scrollbars aren't rendered in the kernelspace

>>57589883
i mean the linux os, what are you using?

>>57589831
Mainstream general purpose distros are preconfigured to require little-to-no initial set up to use and thus are better suited for unexperienced users.

>>57589859
If you want a 1,5 gigabyte large filepicker that supports thumbnails, use KDE.

>>57589910
GNU/Linux

>>57589941
what version has thumbnails? does ubuntu have them?

>>57589963
yeah, the K version of ubuntu

>>57589963
KDE Neon
Kubuntu
Mint KDE
Debian KDE
Arch KDE
Manjaro KDE
OpenSUSE KDE
Fedora KDE
Chakra and many more

>>57589972
thank you, you guys are great
will give it a try!!

>>57589963
he is using kde, install kubuntu if you like ubuntu

>>57589997
Use Chromium or Qupzilla instead of firefox

>you guys are great
Feels so warm and fuzzy.

back to topic
>>57590006
>recommending chromium over ff
what is wrong with you

>>57589883
Do you have the KDE patched firefox? Does it work in it?

>>57589831
You won't be missing anything, you'll just have some extra stuff that you might not need too, or maybe even a little "bloat" compared to going with a more advanced distro where you start with nothing and pick and choose components you want.

>>57590006
Didn't see this post. So do previews with this filepicker work in chromium?

>installing kde bloat
>not patching gtk and enjoying whatever you want
I thought this is /g/

>>57589859
Just go with something like Thunar and install "tumbler" to generate thumbnails

>>57590102
Yeah, they do not work in Firefox because Firefox uses the GTK toolkit

>>57590072
On ubuntu based distro, you have to install konquerror to get the file picker working. Probably a bug

However Manjaro and OpenSUSE doesn't have this problem.
>>57590102
It does work with firefox but you have to configure it

>>57590136
I'm using the KDE version of firefox patched by opensuse. The file picker works but it doesn't have thumbnails.
>>57590137
What do I have to configure?

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>>57589859

>>57590080
Nope.

Actually you gave me an idea. I'll probably create and appimage with KDE-patched firefox.

Problems are:
1. Update will break
2. Can't find a good host for the image

>>57590155
Can I see a screenshot?

>>57590157
>and
an*
>Update
updates*

>>57590157
>>57590169
god damn you're a passfag?

>>57588653
Because clang is a buggy non-compliant piece of shit and makes slow as balls executables.

>>57590195
>being surprised a namefag is an actual fag
shaking my head

>>57589005
Literally all of these require you to maintain the install 24/7 and nurse it into no longer having a broken X. Hell, ubuntu lts is so bad that even its fucking installer doesn't work! How incredible is that?

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>>57590195

>>57588996
Use qemu+kvm and vga passthrough, with wangblows in the vm. Just remember NOT to set multifunction=on NOR x-vga=on on the passed through gpu since it will prevent it from working.
Use synergy to share mouse and keyboard between host and guest.

>>57590228
How can debian and opensuse leap force you into having to nurse a non-broken version of X if their policy states no fucking updates of X for entire release period?

You probably forgot to mention some important detail in your rant buddy.

>>57590246
heads up, at least you're not an iconfag

>>57590129
Is your computer a microcontroller?
No? Then there's no need to worry about "bloat".

>>57590277
this, basically people can do whatever they want with their money, but icon posting is like
>look guys, this is a $20 post, LMAO poorfags
maximum cringe

>>57590268
Because they ship with broken crap, then, years later when they finally offer an update, it's to another broken version instead of any of the intermediary working versions. So you have to either maintain a patch for the period between updates, or you have to fiddle with it and find what version actually works and use that, which involves doing test on your own machine on your own time before comitting to actually installing an update.

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>>57590169
Even the button is clicked but there are still no thumbnails.
This isn't in kde but I've tested it there as well and it's the same shit.

How can I use cpufreq to set the governor for all cores at once? Option -r does not do this.

>>57590298
what would you suggest then?

>>57590301
Do you have tumbler installed?

>>57590294
[unsubscibe]

>>57590323
Thumbnails work in dolphin but I don't have tumbler. Do I need it?

>>57590337
It would be simple to uninstall if you don't.

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>>57590301
I'm 100% sure you are missing some dependencies.

Picture not related though

>>57590284
Actually I decided to study gtk for a while and propose a patch to the upstream.

>>57590352
It installs a bunch of bloat like thunar but I'll try.
>>57590355
It's a minimal install so that might be the case. What does KDE use to draw thumbnails?
The strange this is, it's fine in Dolphin and everything works there.

I made a new thread in case this one dies, check it out here: >>57590365

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>>57584829
Haven't had a computer for 1-2 years now. (Used a jailbroken iPad that time boys).

Gotta get back and I've always used Linux.
Any laptop I should get? And what distro is hot? (I used to have Arch Linux on my Desktop and Mint on my laptop)
Any major changes in recent years?

Pls don't meme me into fucking smth up thx

>>57590378
KDialog uses Konqueror for thumbnails library.

>>57590393
Any 2015 laptop, Xubuntu

>>57590393
What were you in jail for

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Anyone here have experience with implementing custom system calls on 3.x systems?

I've attempted to create a system call that prints the pids of a specified process name using strcmp() and another using strncmp() and strlen() but both fail to process the string properly.

The fucked up thing is that the exact same code works fine on a newer kernel version and as a kernel module on 3.x but for whatever reason decides to fucking spaz out and crash as a system call.

pic related - dmesg output

>>57590425
>using Apple product
Self explanatory

Please

apt-get: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.14' not found (required by /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6)

THis is the error message I get, if I were to copy libstdc++.so.6 from another device (which should roughly be the same version) and replace it, would this solve the problem?

>>57590442
>▶
Please help

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>>57590393
yeah, /g/ is pretty much /fa/ now

>>57590205
It works just like when compiled with GCC if not faster.

>>57590472
i hope that hair is libre hair

>>57590479
sorry, my dna isn't opensource

im second on that image btw (the arch guy)

>>57590495
>my dna isn't opensource
t. virgin
why isn't your dna used in nearly every system

>>57590506
that wouldn't make it opensource. NT is used nearly in every system and it isn't opensource
and how would fucking a girl change this if i don't impregnate her with my high quality dna?

>>57590536
i'd like to interject
gnu plus dna

>>57590442
What are you trying to do? Install glibc 2.14

>>57586114
>divide people and make them antisocial.
Isn't that exactly what his purism over freedumb does?

>>57590495
By characteristics, your DNA is not susceptible to licensing laws because you're the only user of your DNA.

>>57590546
I can't, I'm on an airgapped machine (no internet access) and there are far too many dependencies to download. I've tried downloading a few and they are failing to install

>>57590402
Yeah. That was it. I didn't even have kdialog installed lmao
Thanks

>>57590559
its proprietary though

>>57590559
>cloning doesn't exist
maybe in your timeline

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>>57590572
>Just another day of a slackware user

What is it that you are trying to install?

>>57590576
You are welcome

>>57590616
why are you shilling kde

>>57590628
because kde is based
he is based as well so that remains the only logical thing to do

>>57590616
I was trying to upgrade the version of Python on a machine with no internet access. I downloaded a few Deb packages for it, and then broke the system. I've now abandoned the idea of upgrading and need to know whether I can copy a so file of a previous version (from another machine) and essentially, replace it.

Or whether I need to uninstall the GLIBC update I did

>>57590628
he's in it for the money

>>57590628
KDE is the most featureful desktop environment

>>57590616
Meanwhile on Gentoo:
>emerge: (40 of 45) www-client/firefox-45.4.0 Compile
>want to play vidya gaem but can't

>>57590661
why compile firefox? they provide the prebuilt binaries for that exact purpose

>>57590661
at least you're not emerging chromium

>>57590641
Not sure if you're brave or naive

>>57590641
http://www.diveintopython.net/installing_python/source.html

>>57590666
what's the point in installing gentoo if not sinking time, fellow satan?

>>57590679
>>57590691
Naive, I'm not trying to compile Python, I can't use any commands since updating one of the C library dependencies.

Any tool which uses C, nmap, wireshark, python all spit the version error. I'm not expected to compile every single tool again am I?

>>57590666
why use bloated binaries?

>>57590666
Do you have any idea how much bigger my epeen is than yours right now as I type this to you from my own compiled from source code version of firefox?

>>57590801
$ sudo apt-get install build-essential libgtk2.0-dev libidl-dev libxt-dev libgnomevfs2-dev
$ wget \
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/1.5.0.1/source/firefox-1.5.0.1-source.tar.bz2
$ tar jxvf firefox-1.5.0.1-source.tar.bz2
$ cd mozilla
$ cat > .mozconfig <<EOF \$topsrcdir/browser/config/mozconfig
export MOZILLA_OFFICIAL=1
export BUILD_OFFICIAL=1
mk_add_options MOZILLA_OFFICIAL=1
mk_add_options BUILD_OFFICIAL=1
ac_add_options --enable-official-branding
mk_add_options MOZ_OBJDIR=@TOPSRCDIR@/firefox-bin
ac_add_options --enable-default-toolkit=gtk2
ac_add_options --enable-pango
ac_add_options --with-user-appdir=.mozilla
ac_add_options --with-system-png=/usr
ac_add_options --with-system-jpeg=/usr
ac_add_options --enable-postscript
ac_add_options --disable-installer
ac_add_options --disable-xprint
ac_add_options --enable-crypto
ac_add_options --enable-strip-libs
ac_add_options --enable-canvas
ac_add_options --enable-svg
ac_add_options --enable-svg-renderer=cairo
ac_add_options --enable-system-cairo
ac_add_options --enable-mathml
ac_add_options --disable-tests
ac_add_options --disable-gtktest
ac_add_options --disable-debug
ac_add_options --enable-xft
ac_add_options --enable-optimize="-O3 -march=pentium-m -mtune=pentium-m -pipe -ftracer -fomit-frame-pointer"
ac_add_options --with-system-zlib=/usr
ac_add_options --without-system-nspr
ac_add_options --enable-xinerama
ac_add_options --enable-extensions=default
ac_add_options --disable-pedantic
ac_add_options --disable-long-long-warning
ac_add_options --enable-single-profile
ac_add_options --disable-profilesharing
ac_add_options --enable-gnomevfs
ac_add_options --disable-updater
EOF
$ make -f client.mk build
$ make -C firefox-bin/browser/installer/

>>57590745
Programs are linked against a specific version of their libraries at compile time. Since pretty much everything using C will use glibc, upgrading that library means you have to upgrade pretty much everything.

There used to be a girl ITT, here name was Eliza(?) and she was romanian.

Is she still here?

>>57590890
As I said, isn't it possible that I just copy a similar version from another machine and then overwriting the newly updated (but broken package) will fix it?

>>57590982
only niggers remain