Would you ditch android for this?

>>57351206
Does it get updates so I don't have to use a smartphone with dirty COW and stagefright?

If yes, take my money.

I would consider an archphone

>>57351239
this. serious question right here

>>57351239
This.

If it had the update cadence of desktop linux, and decent enough hardware that, when docked, would operate as a nice workstation, then I would consider it.

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>>57351266

can I run software direct off the processor, can i have access to the linux binaries?

If not, there is no point.

>>57351206
i would if it had whatsapp

>>57351206

If the hardware was attractive enough.
I'm not buying some plasticy chinese lump.

>>57351327
Ok so give me:

>top of the line SoC
>4GB+ of RAM
>128GB+ of flash
>720p OLED
>3000mAh+ battery
>lubuntu + LXDE for desktop mode
>full usb 3.1 type-c support for charging, driving a display, and highspeed data

>>57351360
And an iPhone 5/5S/SE-esque industrial design of course >>57351372

>>57351266
>>57351327
this would be ideal. it would be a mobile workstation that can be used in "mobile mode" when not attached to a monitor.

but is a normal desktop experienced when docked.

it would be even better if i could just dualboot my android phone. boot android when mobile, and then boot ubuntu when workstation scenario calls for it.

>>57351391
fwiw, this almost describes a chromebook.

but to be able to fit it in my pocket and having the two partitions able to access each other is a bonus.

>>57351206
I would much prefer a Linux DE like interface on my phone. I fucking hate Android UI.

>>57351206
I'm willing to try (tried Jolla for six months), but there's no device available atm.

>>57351372
>https://www.ubuntu.com/phone/devices
The Meizu PRO 5 hits all of that, except for the internal memory, BUT it has sdcard slot.

>>57351742
Oops, forgot the SoC, I have no idea about that, but it doesn't look too good.

>>57351206
>Trusting Canonical
AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH AHAHAHAHA HAH HA HAAHAHAHAHAHAH AHA HAHAHAHA

[spoiler]I use SailfishOS

>>57351258
Why? Are you unemployed?

>>57351239
No version of Linux on phones will ever get updates in a reasonable timeframe because of hardware vendors.

They're all on age-old 2.x kernels with shittons of backports because the proprietary drivers needed for mobile chipsets don't receive upstream updates

If you want a secure phone, you have to give up the ability to make calls. (Thus defeating the purpose)

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Would you ditch android for THIS?

>>57351786
definetly

>>57351206
What's wrong with Android?

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>>57351206
Probably.
Every other option is shit so I would at least try it.

Definitely

No, If I wanted to get out the google botnet meme I would install a custom ROM like CM that gets upgraded often and not install gapps

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Would you ditch android for THIS?

>>57351206
sure if it's cheap and >>57351350

>>57351350
>>57351844

normalfags >>>/out/

>>57351786
Only if the DE didn't look so shit.

>>57351336
Someone pls respond to this guy.

>>57351350
It has telegram, only normalfags use whatsapp, why talk to them?
In all seriousness, I've heard there's a workaround to get whatsapp

>>57351831
holy shit that is kawaii

>>57351391
So, a Windows Phone...

>>57351206
will it run on my xperia Z without major issues?

Does it actually run linux programs (and maybe android apps?)

is it completely floss?

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>>57351336
It is literally just an ARM build of Ubuntu with their convergence UI on top. So yes, you can run any program, just like on a desktop, through the terminal emulator or other means.

Heck, if you are willing to ditch any touch friendliness you can even run desktop apps natively (pic related)

>>57351206
only if it has banking and flights apps

>>57351206
Desktop Linux is garbage so no.

>>57351206

i did when when it was anounced but it was vapourware...

they fucked up big and burnt alot of people who were going to pony up dollarydoos

>>57351206
I wanted to once, but their site said the phones were sold out.

I would ditch android for anything, it's real fucking shit, even windows phone was better

I've had a Lumia 920, a Note 3, a BB Passport and an iPhone 5S, now I'm back on Android with a Z5C and I'm fucking crying.

Imho BB10 was the best OS, then comes iOS, WPhone and Android would be last.

>>57352324
SailfishOS

>>57352362
Never hada chance to try it, never even saw one in real life

>>57351206
I don't use Android, so sure.

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>>57351391

>>57351391
>this would be ideal. it would be a mobile workstation that can be used in "mobile mode" when not attached to a monitor.

Windows phones already do that, but nobody gives a shit about it

>>57351206
>>57351742
Why do they cost twice the price of more powerful android phones ?

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>>57352388
I just ordered one blind because >dat aesthetic

Haven't regretted it one bit. It's basically just like a normal linux distro but for the phone. If you're used to desktop linux I can highly, highly recommend it.

All the usual stuff (systmctl, dmesg, ifconfig, ssh etc.) just wurkz, and the system is based on rpm packages (you can use zypper with it). Very much unlike android which is sort of maybe kinda technically based on linux but with shittons of java bloat strapped on top and none of the usual linux userspace, which basically makes it a completely separate OS.

Also, despite the hardware being extremely modest, it runs orders of magnitude better and more smoothly than my peers' bloated lagfests.

>>57352455
How compatible is it with Android software?

>>57351811
IT'S SHIIIIIIIT

>>57352494
It runs pretty much everything I've tried, although note that running the android emulation layer eats like half your device's memory. (The hardware isn't designed for enterprise bloat-tier apps)

>>57352403
what is 8 track ?

>>57351786
Look at that UI. Everything is so tiny! Even with a stylus that looks absolutely unusable! You can't even see the text!

>>57352455
Almost zero native apps. They're probably on the verge of going bankrupt because of how few users they have.

>>57352583
Kids these days...
Remember sony walkman cassettes? 8-track is a similar format that predates them.

>>57351206
Why is thete a half a meter long bezel at the bottom of that phone?

>>57352403
And they would absolutely support it.

>>57352583
Maybe something capable of playing 8 tracks of music? Possibly

>>57351206
No, absolutely not. It sounds like a nightmare to be honest. Linux has virtually zero professional user-facing support. If your phone gets a weird bug enjoy crawling half-abandoned web-forums full of people who barely even speak the same language you just to find a "nvm it fixed itself :)" post from 3 years ago.

Also,
>bootloader fucks up and dies
>have to reset grub
>on your fucking phone
Seriously, I cannot imagine buying one. You could not even pay me to own one.

>>57351327
>lose your phone
>lose you your life + your work
kek great plan what could ever go wrong

>>57351206
I'd ditch android for a "root-out-of-the-box" OS that could be flashed to my phone. We should #TurnLaptopsIntoCellphones, unify the architecture and modules to make installing your own OS possible.

>>57352656
Couldn't it be the responsibility of the company who manufactures the phone? Seems to me it would be that way. BQ is manufacturing the Ubuntu phone, Canonical is responsible for the user experience. Might be like windaz support.

>>57352669
Have you ever heard about bitbucket/dropbox/external HDD for larger files?

>>57352669
>not automatically backing shit up to cloud/externalHDD

I guess if you lose your laptop, it's the same, isn't it?

>>57351239
Last time i checked they all get updates also i think they make opensource drivers for them. And almost every distro has patched dirtycow.

>>57352656
>Linux has virtually zero professional user-facing support.
Linux has had proffesional support since before Windows was a thing, kiddo

is this running on x86?

>>57352617
>Almost zero native apps.
It has native apps for everything I need from my phone. (messages, music, contacts, browser, terminal, browser, IRC, mail, calendar, RSS, weather, photos, maps etc.)

>They're probably on the verge of going bankrupt because of how few users they have.
[citation needed]

Small companies can survive just fine, you only go bankrupt if you take on more loans than you can afford to pay back. Also, it's not like SailfishOS is some entirely new thing - it's just based on the existing community-driven Linux mobile efforts that existed before it.

If Jolla goes, the community will survive like it always has. Suit yourself, but I'm not touching mainstream blobshit with a 10ft pole.

>>57352656
>If your phone gets a weird bug enjoy crawling half-abandoned web-forums full of people who barely even speak the same language you just to find a "nvm it fixed itself :)" post from 3 years ago.
Sounds like Android / xda

>>57352669
>he doesn't have backups
kek, I hope you lose everything

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>>57352863
>but I'm not touching mainstream blobshit with a 10ft pole.

>I avoid it BECAUSE IT'S MAINSTREAM

Back to Tumblr, hipster.

>>57352958
tumblr is mainstream

>>57353126

that's the ironic-inception

No apps no ditch

>>57353162
that's dumb and doesn't make sense

>>57351206
Can I install Arch linux?

>>57351327
tfw this image is old/blind people's wet dream

No but I would continue using my iphone

>>57352410
Cause windows phones suck dick

Not with those bezels

>>57352455
I liked mine, but between the fuckup with the tablet's crowdfunding, the ui that's still closed source and the last updates taking ages to get released for almost nothing, I don't trust them.

>>57352843
>user-facing

yes.

Android is shit.

>>57353475
>Professional users aren't users
What's the matter, too poor? I bet you also pirate Windows instead of actually paying the 150€

>>57353535
User-facing support =/= Enterprise support lad. You can feel free to try and act pedantic to cover up the mistake, but it looks like everyone else knew what it meant so I'm not keen on arguing it with you.

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>see OP image
>holy fuck the bezels, 30-35% of the front of the device
>NOPE

Still have no idea what the hell it's supposed to be anyway, the Ubuntu phone thing failed a long time ago so, whatever the fuck this is sure ain't relevant either.

>>57351206
yes

>>57352620
Walkman?

>>57353557
You only get user-facing support for Windows because you pay 150€ for it

If you want support for Linux, feel free to pay the same amount

I can't ditch something I don't use

>>57351206
>Ubuntu
does it include the Amazon botnet in the package?

>>57353721
Well meme'd

in a heartbeat provided they're not too cozy with amazon

>>57351206
Ubuntu Phone is often getting ported on android devices, if i'd have nexus 5 i probably wouldn't have to ditch anything - i'd just install rom and switch between them when i feel like it.

But i have Z5C and devs hate it, so i guess no cool sailfishes and ubuntus for me.

It probably won't have support for many IM clients, so I don't think I would be able to switch.
If I could convince my friends to switch away from Hangouts and group me I would switch without a second thought.

>>57354302
Get rid of your shitty “friends” then

In a heartbeat. Hate android.

>>57351206
>android
Maybe
>iPhone
No

>>57351206
Can you install Android's apk files?
Otherwise I don't think it would ever get a decent app repository.

>>57351206
I don't have android by choice. in my opinion its buggy and slow.

>>57354358
Why would you need shitty android apps, when you have the whole ubuntu repo.

Was anyone here an Ubuntu Edge backer? I sure as hell was. What a joke that it was going to be released in 2013 and we still don't have a decent Ubuntu Phone.

>>57354453
>Backing anything made by Canonical
ALL canonical software has turned out to be a massive disappointment/failure.

>Mir
>Upstart
>Unity
>bazaar
>Juju
>Launchpad
>LXD
>MAAS
>Upstart
>Snap

Name a single one of these that isn't a laughingstock of the tech community. The only successful thing canonical has ever made (Ubuntu) is basically just Debian in disguise.

If you seriously expect Canonical to deliver on anything original, you are delusional.

>>57351938
They need Atom poured phones so they car run legacy programs

If it has sandboxed google play, then it's my perfect phone.

no, but i am ditching it for ios

>>57351206
no, because it'll only be available in Europe like last time

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Applefags BTFO

>>57351372
>lubuntu + LXDE

I ve seen that Ubuntu Mobile is a bit slow and still lack a lot of features. Of course that's why tey have Unity 8 in 16.10 in beta mode, so they can improve it. So by the next ubuntu edition, it might be worth the money

>>57351206
Maybe if there were software for and if I had a phone which could run it. Seems like it's been in development hell for the last 4-5 years

>>57355364
>Seems like it's been in development hell for the last 4-5 years
Sounds like all canonical software

>>57351206
why?

>no home screen
How am I mean to feel at home without a home screen?

Gonna need Whatsapp support or else this is a no-go.

Note; this counts for almost all europeans and probably asians

>>57351786
TAKE MY MONEY
ALL OF IT

>>57355800
Whereas Facebook messenger counts for everyone.

>>57351772
i use a track phone anyways. i just want something i can listen to mp3's on, do email, etc. everyone always says just get a mini tablet. i don't want a mini tablet, i want something ergonomically shaped like a phone

>>57351206
if it was usable? sure. i just need either whatsapp or signal

>>57351372
xiaomi mi mix basically

>>57351882
but poeple get b& from whatsapp for it

>>57352656
I have an Ubuntu tablet.

It's unbearingbly slow but it's been bugfree since I bought it in May.

>>57355966
>i use a track phone anyways. i just want something i can listen to mp3's on, do email, etc.
which implies a baseband chip which implies shitty driver vendors which implies old linux kernel version which implies bugs

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>>57351831
yes, if I can install gentoo

>>57351206
Well. I'd love to get out of the Google and Android sphere. But it's gotta have some pretty damn good support first.

>>57351206
Can it run Android apps? Is it going to be maintained and updated on hardware for more than 2-3 years of age? Will systemd fucking lock apt?

>>57351206
I have one and love it, have to use a £20 android for my online banking and snapchat but other than that it's pretty great

>>57352455
Does it block ads tho

>>57357618
It runs linux, what kind of dumb question is that?

>>57352455
My speaker broke with two weeks, incredibly common issue

>>57357631
How do you do it then fuckwad

>>57357682
host files obviously

>>57357682
Using whatever method your heart desires?

Host files, privoxy, uBlock, ABP, whatever; pick your poison?

>>57352362
How do I install Sailfish on the Xiaomi Redmeme Note 2?

>>57360075
I don't know

>>57352620
>walkman
but those audio cassettes were present in sound systems before walkman came around

im only 35, but tech took 10years to reach us in 3rd world, walkman arrived in the 90s, cassettes are before time itself

>>57352583
>what is 8 track ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8-track_tape
>and was relatively unknown outside the United States, the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, and Japan.[2][3][4]

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>>57351772
>They're all on age-old 2.x kernels
Stopped the read here.

>>57351239
Ubuntu phones use the same kernel as android so potentially no.

>>57351206
Always out of stock. The tablet is still a meme.

>>57352669
>not making backups
>goofing around Jamal

>>57353557
>implying "user-facing" support of MS worth a penny

>>57354323
Consider Jolla.

>>57354604
LXD, Unity, snap still a thing for sure. Maybe your humour sense is odd. I'm not a fan of Canonical though as they want to build a shitty ecosystem, but i can understand them.

>>57352403
>saved

>>57351206
Again? When will freetards learn?

>>57351206
Can I run it with full functionality in CLI?

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>tfw the vendors kills the android competition

>>57352403
Someone make this shit real!!!

>>57351206
>Would you ditch android for this?
if they release a qwerty phone

>>57351206
This has been vaporware since like 2009

>>57352104
From what i know it dosent use X/wayland so its not actually that easy.
>>57351206
I dont mind if its android ubunto or wharever, the first one that can give me a complete gnu/linux envoirment by just pluging a screen and keyboard and still being usable for calls and shit meanwhile gets my money.

>>57351206
maybe if the physical phone didn't look like garbage

>>57360743
>Stopped the read here.
Meant 3.x

Anyway, find my a phone using something recent like linux 4.8

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>>57351206
FUCK NO

>>57352324
>even windows phone was better
I somewhat agree. I went from a lumia 820 to a opo and I still miss metrotube and the volume control to this day.