Be honest.

>>57235028
>4chan
>work

Nice bait.

do you work in trade because you're to stupid for tech?

I prefer money, trades land you unemployment the moment the economy takes a hit.
See Spain, everybody who quit school to make easy money as a construction worker got FUCKED when the bubble bursted.
Tech on the other hand will be in demand for years to come because we're nowhere the limit of automation and efficiency improvement.

>>57235028
it's the other way around. those without the ability to use tech end up in manual labor and have no desire to change. it takes more work to become a quality developer than learning how not to cut your fingers off with a saw. they are the same people who can barely use their printer and give geek squad money to setup a router because they can't bother reading a document or knowing what an IP is. true laziness.

>>57235028
I think both are honorable, many tradesmen don't have the appropriate skillset for tech work and vice versa.

Nothing wrong with that.

>>57235075
This

>>57235075
>to stupid for tech
is such a thing even possible?

>>57235090
desu, it probably depends on the economy of the country.
Here, generous application of Keynesian economics ensure plenty of jobs for anything related to public works.

>>57235122
you think "wimmin kodars" are bad? wait until you see a tradie at a computer

>>57235115
>>57235075

lol, tech, IT, whatever, is simple when compared to framing a house, grading a road, building a bridge. You fuckers are basically monkeys that plug things in.

>>57235028
>implying EE's and sparkies are lazy

>>57235164
says the guy following plans drawn up by an engineer on a computer

>>57235028

>wake up 4AM, travel to job, prep equipment, travel to job, work in either freezing cold or extreme heat, build projects that benefit millions for years to come.

>wake up whenever, roll out of bed to PC, code a few scripts in climate controlled room or maybe moderately cold server room, maintain system so millions of people can jack-off everyday.

Tech is such an honorable field.

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>too lazy to be replaced by a robot in 5 years and collect redistributed 'plz help my retard family becuz I got displaced from my career' welfare checks

>>57235028
>work

lmao

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>>57235183

>tfw too stupid to do tech
>tfw too lazy to do a trade

who tech+trade masterrace?

>>57235075
Labor doesn't scale.

>>57235115
Anyone that works a trade could work in tech


>>57235153
What is a tradie? You sound like a fucking idiot.

>>57235316
Lmao

>>57235316
Top response meant for OP. Top and second link meant for second response

Both people in trade and in tech can do useful work and have skills.

>>57235183
>says the guy following plans drawn up by an engineer on a computer
You have no idea how any of this works, do you?
I say this as an EE major who works with Mech Engineers all the time.
People who do woodworking do more math than your fat IT ass do by a longshot.

>>57235332
You probably glanced at my post and think I work a trade. I don't.

I have a grandfather who's made more than a majority of tech workers from trades.

When you see someone that was untrained in electrical and yet can rewire an apartment complex (an apartment complex he owns) you get the feeling that he'd be smart enough to hack something together.

>>57235345
so true. Someone in IT probably couldn't even figure our the square footage of a room, let alone set a proper grade.

Tradesman are highly proficient in understanding and performing complex calculations.

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>implying I didn't trade my way to wealth

>>57235345
i've worked in IT, and currently work as a mechanical engineer
while there are certainly people who actually make the stuff that know their shit (such as carpenters who draw up their own stuff, my father is a self-employed carpenter who does it all himself)
but most of the time they only know how to handle tools and follow plans made by someone else

>>57235431
>wealth
>mfw partyhats are like 10k each on osrs

>>57235028
Im in tech because I noticed my body deteriorating and realized I couldn't be doing that shit at 65 years old. and i was right. I'm 30 and my knees are BTFO

>>57235458
>>57235458
>I'm 30 and my knees are BTFO


Next life, try not to suck too many dicks.

>>57235028
I work from home with AC and video games and tv and food. trade workers work in the hot sun, get hurt often, and eat shitty sandwiches

Actually I wanted to be a programmer since I was a kid.

My second choice was truck driver. Thought it would be cool to drive across the country while listening to talk radio (or, nowdays, podcasts). You don't have to deal with people too much. And the new trucks have pretty nice cabins.

I still think being a truck driver would be kind of cool, but you read horror stories about bosses basically forcing the driver to keep driving even though they haven't slept in 24 hours to meet some delivery deadline.

Also I bet it gets old pretty fast, while programming is a field that can give you new stuff to learn for decades.

>>57235456
OSRS fixing jagex's shit

I was am electrician before I started to study (am still a student).
Being a student is a lot more work.
As an electrician I showed up, did what the boss, foreman or customer wanted and then I went home. Worked from 700-1530 and the rest of the time was free to do whatever.
Now it is less physical work, but I have a lot more projects which means I have to spend a lot more time on it.
I spend roughly 50-60h on schoolwork and 8h on work / week and I feel all my time is spent on this. Having something outside of school is a lot harder, but I enjoy being a student.
I can imagine that once I am done, I will have to work in a similar way if I want to make money.
I want to go back to a normal work week someday, but I don't think that either is being lazy.
I have met lazy people in both scenarios though.

>>57235345
>not being a systems engineer and doing all of it

fucking pleb, continue to work your shit job and getting shafted by a union, don't worry, the mexicans will force you to not work anymore

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>tfw everyone you knew growing up that became a laboring tradecuck is hooked on painkillers and divorced

>Work retail growing up
>Work as a machinist
>Work as a gunsmith
>Work as an architect
>Find a job in IT
Notice "work" is no longer found, this field is fantastic.

>>57235075
If I'm a field electrician, am I both too stupid and too lazy for either field or better than both?

>>57235520
So, you're a lazy fuck, that couldn't handle the trades, and never worked it long enough to do anything of substance, and quit so your lazy ass can sit all day building shit sites so idiots can talk about the kardashians.

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>>57235565
>mfw everyone I grew up with went into trade and have nice houses and nice cars, and have a family and with someone they love

>meanwhile im 38 posting on 4chan living off of disability and with my parents.

I never even kissed a girl before

>>57235579
lmao

>be plumber
>get paid $100 to plunge a toilet
>takes two minutes
>if a bunch back up at once i get $500 for a half hour's work

body corp is a great gig if you can get it

I work 12 hour shifts in trade right now trying to earn some money for college . I envy you guys so much. I admit I'm not the smartest person and don't know much about technology but I think it's amazing and really cool and stuff. I hang around this board more than any other and just lurk and read all of your comments and stuff. Alot of you guys sound really smart and use these cool algebra words. Appreciate your intelligence for tech, many o fan us guys at work envy you guys.

>>57235600
on the upside you're a wizard.

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>>57235600
and as though that's not all my troll thread where i pretend be a trade worker will be off the front page of /g/ in 10 minutes ;_;

>>57235345
This is only half true.
Some IT positions don't require you to use any math at all while some do. The highest math a lowly carpenter will use is basic geometry.

>>57235600
Not all of us have it good. I have really thick fingers and scarred hands from fixing highway roads in cold, I am from Canada btw. Girls stop talking to me as soon as they see my hands. They know I'm a poor fag, I hate my life, you guys workin tech have it nice, you should appreciate your knowledge .

I come from a line of general contractors and electricians and grew up doing mostly production work and commercial A/V installs. These days I'm a broadcast technician which is a combination of quite a bit of manual labor and complex technical work. I'm also usually the go to liaison between the public and the corporate overlord I'm working for at any given event so throw PR in there as well. I've been able to carve out a niche where I am very experienced in a few ares but I'm not gonna wimp out or bitch when it comes to moving flight cases around or rigging gear.

>>57235111
Pretty much this. My problem is I've known a lot of people who are very skilled in tech (or at least think they are) who are very quick to look down on and talk trash about menial laborers when they themselves have never actually done in themselves.

Mike Rowe had a good point in that "Work Smarter, not harder" is really fucking dumb compared to the industrial nature of the real world.

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>>57235345
Here you go, all the math carpenters do. You have no idea what math is boy.

>>57235028
yes
i would do something like plumbing that could land me 6 figures

>>57235028
I work in tech for the money.
I do trade when I get home (Bought a 2nd house cheap, just re-drywalled it after running new electrical lines, going to do plumbing for new bathroom this weekend)
Too smart to be slinging shingles in the winter or sweating in the summer though.

>>57235028
But I do both.

>>57236356
I can land you in 4, IYKWIM :^)

>>57236221
Both you and the guy you're replying to are very insulting, whether or not you mean to be.

You're implying the blue collar equivalent to a tech worker is an unskilled laborer. Tech and trades are similar in that both require skill and the practitioners of both often go to work for themselves.

They obviously require a different skillset but the problem solving skills required for both are by and large the same. People that are successful in trades could've been successful in tech and vice versa.

As far as money goes, unless you live in the bay area then skilled blue collar workers are getting paid as much or higher.

Though there is obviously a lot more potential for upside working in tech.

>>57236476
That wasn't my intention, sorry.
Obviously trades are skilled labor and are just as intensive if not more demanding than a lot of tech jobs. What I was trying to say is that in my experience people who work exclusively in tech are more likely to bad mouth or look down on physical labor, regardless if it's basic shit or actual trade work.

>>57235075
>>57235090

*Skilled trades* because even in a bad economy people like having running cars, air conditioning, working electrical systems, ect.

It requires the same if not greater knowledge than "hurr I plug in ethernet cable and linux" or "durr I made fone app" that Patel over in India will do for $2 a day.

inb4 asspained student debt neets

>>57236032
lol, you're not a tradesman, you're a peasant laborer. A tradesmen actually spent quite a bit of time learning a skill. You simply showed up to job, and was given a shovel and told to dig here.

>>57235028

What's the best way for me to get into a full time tech position that pays at least $35,000 a year from day one?

I'm in insurance right now because I was too much of a fuckup when I was 18 to get a degree. I fucking hate insurance but it was an easy job to get and the pay is enough to get by. About $34k/year right now, but it's been a shit year. Next year if I'm still here I'll probably do about $40-45k.

I have 2 years of experience as the sole full time network / IT guy for a 4-location retail chain. My official title was "IT Manager", as I shared some other managerial duties like sorting through resumes and ordering product. I started as a sales floor employee and was promoted when I proved I knew what I was doing.

I have additional experience doing a complete PoS and inventory system overhaul for an auto salvage company, it was a contract type job and I was employed as a "consultant". I got this position through a friend who recommended me to the owners.

I have absolutely ZERO education credentials, so how do I get interviews for these kinds of positions?

>>57235028
I wouldn't know how to start doing a trade so I work tech

>>57236632
SAP consultant

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I do a mixture of both.
Machinist + Robotics

I got into my job by chance and luck.

>>57235417
>Tradesman are highly proficient in understanding and performing complex calculations.
A regular tradesman doesn't understad shit. They sell things to companies by talking much and then the techs need to tell those companies it doesn't work that way.

That's true for every tradesman I met in the last 12 years in my company.

>>57235028

No, I work in HR because I'm too lazy for literally anything productive

>>57236540
I don't think you know what menial means.

>>57236581
>neet

I don't think you know what that means. Is neet the new buzzword?

>>57235075

This is me. I want to understand it, but I can't get my head around these 1s and 0s.

Nigga I went to college for different stuff for computers but I end up becoming an HVAC tech. My life changed and I needed a quick training tech so I could support my family. I couldn't go to school for 2 more years. But I still do projects on my computer including programming as it's my hobby and I really do like it. I just fucked myself over by having a baby otw.

>>57236841
Could be worse, bro.
At least you're not liberal arts.

>>57236718

What would the process be for that? I'm assuming I'll need to get a certificate of some kind?

No actually the idea of working a trade is what I have always wished for second to not having to work.
And I say the idea, because in reality it means bad pay and tons of hours. But I'd like to be my own boss, having my mind free of anything, letting it wonder as I just do things, I guess like a farmer.

>>57235315
Sorta, I think. Self taught CNC machinist that regularly has to troubleshoot legacy machine software/controls. I'm also better at cad/cam than the staff engineer.

>>57235028


>choose tech
>don't realize it can be outsourced to slave labor 5K miles away
>unemployed
>learn a trade
>work hard
>make mega cash
> filthy greedy capitalist can't outsource my job
>retire at 40 with a million dollar estate
>call some IT faggot to build me a gaming rig
>IT faggot does it part time so he can pay for ISP bill
>laugh when he rolls up to my home in a $2K riced Jetta
>sit back and play games while 22 year old wife makes me a sammie
>find tears of IT guy stained on my keyboard

>>57235315
Me.
Fiber-optic / internal network technician.

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>>57237206
I know that feel.

>>57235028
Probably not since I'm apparently too lazy to even code lately.

>>57236861
(of work) not requiring much skill and lacking prestige.

A lot of the work I do on job sites for setup and breakdown mostly consists of just pushing and lifting heavy objects and boxes, I'd call that menial. Now rigging the actual gear on the hand is decidedly not if you ask me.

>>57235028
Where's the question?

>>57235028

I have an uncle who is a plumber. He tells me to stay in school so I can avoid the kind of back-breaking underpaid labor he does.

>>57235111
As a butcher, I can attest. The best butchers I know? They fucking SUCK with technology. My boss doesn't even understand his phone half the time.
I'm one of the lucky people in that I'm fairly decent with technology (though I don't specialise in anything and don't know any programming languages though I do understand the concept, I know hardware much, much better than the standard pleb and don't fall behind when it comes to anything support related.)
Likewise, some of the people I know who have actually spent their time learning how to program and are actually capable of writing worthwhile shit? Well, some of them don't know jack shit about hardware, and very few of them can even put a fucking Ikea bed together.

Instead of ripping on either of the two groups though, I just accept that there's only so much time to devote to anything and if you try to master everything at once, you master nothing at all.

>>57237428
There's no question.
OP just wants you to be honest.

For example:
I usually just pee in stalls because I want to be able to dry the tip with toilet paper when I finish peeing. Don't want to get pee in my briefs.

>>57235075

Worked on computers for over a decade, decided it wasn't for me now I do warehouse jobs for a living because fuck dealing with that shit again.

Did you stay in /g/ because you're too stupid for >>>/sci/ or >>>/diy/ ?

>tfw became an electrician to save up money to survive while i study to become an electrical engineer

Still not tech but fuck you

Guilty as charged. Being lazy in IT is the fucking best thing ever.

>too lazy to manually do things so I automate them with scripts
>too lazy to want to action alerts so I just build systems that are bulletproof, self-healing and HA
>too lazy to manually build systems so I automate everything in configuration management
>too lazy to make sure everything's always working so monitoring systems take care of it
>too lazy to waste time pointing and clicking everywhere so I do everything in CLI

I was just being lazy but somehow I'm now really employable

>>57235164
>framing a house
Not that difficult. Like most things, practice makes perfect. After that, they are just doing the same thing over and over and over again. Meanwhile, someone in the tech industry may very well be doing something different every day.

>grading a road
Uh...you realize for any serious grading they employ a technician to stake out the grade based on an engineers design, right? But it's simple either way. Engineers use software that basically tells them everything. Technicians use equipment that is so easy to use now, that most trade companies get their own and let one of their workers stake the road. After that, it all comes down to operator skill/experience, but the same thing follows from framing a house: repeat, repeat, repeat. Only equipment that requires true skill is the "hoe" and to some extent the grader (those tricky shoulders and curves).

>building a bridge
Many different trades, but they all still follow engineered plans, and it is the engineers who pay if the bridge fails, which is odd considering how many trades people must have fucked up to make it fail.

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Honest answer.

I work in tech because I'm really, amazingly good at it. Probably top 0.01% in my country.
But I fucking hate it, always have, so I'm also a tree surgeon, industrial spray painter and boat builder.
Just prefer the hand tools man.

>>57236032
Maybe you just have a shit personality, I work with an operator who crushed the shit out of one of his hands. He's missing the tip of 2 fingers, the rest of his fingers are really thick and scarred.

He's doing fine, women don't turn and run at the sight of his crushed hand.

On that note, that's a + for tech. Much lower odds of getting your hand crushed.

>>57236581
>bad economy
>air conditioning
That's some backwards thinking right there.

>>57237206
>retire at 40 with a million dollar estate
Stopped reading there. Your obviously delusional and making shit up, or your parents were loaded, or you somehow hit the trades lotto which in that case go fuck yourself.

>>57237668
>/sci
Can only stand that board for so long. Too many physics/math majors trying to act smart.

>/diy
Pretty small sample set of actual diy projects on that board. Mainly Rasberry Pi or homebrew generals.

>>57237798
>technician
A surveyor, that's also a trade. A trade doesn't need to involve pounding in nails or pouring concrete.

>>57237800
>a tree surgeon
What the fuck is that?

>>57238034
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WL7B-9yPAOs

one of these.

>>57238023
They're called technicians, so that's what I called it. They use a technology in the field, hence "technician". There isn't really a clearly defined line between tech and trade, so I see no reason to pretend like there is.

Surveying is pretty easy shit at any rate. The equipment cost is the most difficult part. (also certification if you want to any land surveying for the government, which is basically a cult you need to buy into). But it's a pointless trade/tech to get into at this point.

>>57238034
>surgeon
You can see where the confusion was.

>>57238146
I don't name it m8, just do it, but it is medical, I don't fell healthy tree bro's

>>57236632
Take up a trade.

>>57235028
No, I saw my father do it during the influx of Mexican into the workforce. Busted his and has bad knees now for a good to shit wage was not worth it.

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>>57238175
Fair enough. But I mean, it is still basically tree felling, right? The person cutting the tree doesn't need to know anything about the disease or why he's cutting the tree. Someone who felled trees for a lumber company could just as easily be a "tree surgeon", no?

>>57235028
Go to a construction site, try and find an american citizen working there in non-supervisory role
protip- you cant

OP- youre a divorced soccar mom who hasnt noticed that skilled trades are obsolete because you sit home and watch tv all day and eat tv dinners, prove me wrong, protip: you cant

>>57235921
If you're really interested in something you'll spend a lot of your own time learning about it.

>>57238917
Sucks for your country, I'm in Canada working in construction for 7 years and every site I've gone to has been ℅99 white.

The one black or hispanic guy is usually for show. Except engineers, several poo in loos.