Net Neutrality

We're all fucked, no matter who wins.

The thing is, no one who's in charge or has any kind of political power likes net neutrality. That is, unless we elect RMS for president.

Land of the free.

You're fucked.

>>57130979
fucking muricans, you're going to fuck up all the internet with this election

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>>57131098
Muricans only need burger not freedom.

>>57131167
The internet is only still as free as it is, little though that amy be, thanks to America. Europe, the UN, despotic third world shitholes, etc have all wanted to censor the shit out of it and eliminate anonymity and whatnot since basically forever.

Net neutrality is about keeping the Internet free and avoiding blocking or preferring of content by ISPs. In Chile we've had net neutrality for 6 years and no one has censored anything. In fact it has forced companies to provide transparency, freedom to choose only the services you wish, and weapons to fight against traffic shaping.

>>57131509
I know this is a troll but still, you have no idea how the Internet works.

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>>57130979
>Elderly politicians who have no fucking clue how the internet works getting sweet talked by bags of money and slick ISP executives

We're fucked.

Republicans hate NN. Democrats range from indifferent to supportive of it. Better odds that it will remain in effect if Hillary wins.

>>57131617
He's right though

shes actually quoted as saying shes going to take down alternative media websites and her campaign is funded by comcast msnbc so i'll let you decide retard

>>57131632
Hillary is worse because she has no clue how email works. Atleast Trump will just hand this shit to someone in his cabinet who actually knows what to do.

>implying anybody has control over an interconnected system of independently run terminals and servers

>>57131761
>who actually knows what to do.
Outsourcing to Russia.

>>57131761
Trump doesn't take advice, he's probably the worst possible person to put in charge of anything.

>>57131780
Your ISP can control your access though.

>>57131874
So get an ISP that isn't a botnet.

>>57131761

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/trump-is-running-some-really-insecure-email-servers

>>57131947
Wow. He should delete them.

>>57131761
Hillary is worse for net neutrality, but not because she thinks she's above the law (though that's pretty bad). She's worse because she takes money from comcast and time warner cable.

>>57131947
What an incredible threat to American secrets and all the top secret information that Trump routinely handles!

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Threads like this are why 4chan shouldn't have a /pol/ board, most of 4chan just knows fuck all about the US political process.

Hillary Clinton co-sponsored the original Net Neutrality bill. She supports it. Full stop. Many valid criticisms against HRC, Net Neutrality isn't one.

>>57132111
He's never been a politician before so that's obvious but he is campaigning to be the top politician in the country though.

>>57131465
That actually looks like something I'd order just to try once.

t. murican

>>57131031
But trump honestly wants to make america great again. Not going to set myself up for disappointment like with obama, but his love for america is genuine.

>>57132278
You could make the same argument for many other leaders of many other countries as well. You do not have to run for president to love your country.

>>57131947
>quoting a branch of vice

>>57132510
They're just reposting information from elsewhere. Apparently a guy on twitter looked up public information about the servers and discovered they're all running on old software with known vulnerabilities.

>>57131465
>not the same piece of meat cut into portions
>Regular burgers on mentally handicapped buns
>Made for sharing


>Implying I have people in my day-to-day to share with
Commercials just end up making me sad

>>57131647

Sure thing, kid.

http://pld.cs.luc.edu/courses/ethics/sum16/mnotes/speech.html#encryption

>>57132354
not an argument

>>57132278

Idiot.

Hillary didn't support the homos until it was cool. So, someone make it cool?

>>57132278
It's pretty much the opposite. Most politicians whether you agree with them or not, run out of a patriotic duty to serve their country. Almost all of Mr. Trump's policy proposals seem to be for himself, besides "the wall". For example, getting rid of the estate tax (Taxation on wills worth over 5.4 million dollars) which as an obese 70 year old man, benefits his family greatly. And he also proposes massive tax cuts bigger than the Bush cuts, while also raising taxes on the middle class. Mr. Trump seems more interested in making America great for himself than anyone else.

>>57132278

Why isn't he making it great already then, chum?

He's a millionaire, he's got plenty of power in his hands already, he could surely be doing something to improve the country. But he isn't.

Stop being naïve.

>>57130979

we're fugged :D

>>57132795
>He's a millionaire

He still hasn't released his tax returns so no one can actually prove how much he has.

>>57130979
Says "next president". Posts picture of Hillary instead.

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>>57132872

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>>57132872

I have bad news for you.

>>57132588
OP here I feel your pain, as I have no friends but at least I have my computers and computer software.

>>57130979
The Democratic Platform says that they want to prevent Republican efforts to roll-back the current FCC net neutrality rules.

They dont explicitly say they'll go further, though (e.g. applying those rules to mobile, which is still exempt from neutrality rules). I think in general politicians are reluctant to spend political capital on technical issues because they are less staightforward and often poorly understood by their constituencies, which opens them up for misleading attacks. That will probably be the case with Hillary IMO

>>57132781
>proposes massive tax cuts bigger than the Bush cuts, while also raising taxes on the middle class
You contradict yourself.
He plans on lowering taxes, period. For everyone. It's stated on his plans or whatever, that you can check for yourself.

The sad thing about this election is that it took this long for Trump's popularity to finally start going down. I fully expected him to lose all of his momentum after the first debate(which he did) but it wasn't really until just before the second debate that his popularity collapsed(due to the tape). Even now people are still supporting him even though his behavior and lack of knowledge would have ruined basically any other candidate.

>>57132781
> most
Nah most are criminals that only care about whats best for them and those who contributed money

>>57132925
http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-presidential-debate-fact-check/2016/10/true-trumps-plan-would-significantly-raise-taxes-on-the-middle-class-229143

His tax plan includes the removal of personal exemption and several tax credits. So while taxes will be 'cut', they'll actually end up going up for most families.

>>57132929
The real sad thing is that the whole "party-loyal to a horrible candidate" thing doesnt really happen with democrats in modern elections. In 84 and 88 the democratic nominees were terrible and democrats overwhelmingly voted for the republican candidate out of a basic understanding that sometimes the best candidate is from the other party. Mondale barely won a single state.

There are very reasonable Republicans that completely understand how unstable Trump is, who will vote for him out of party loyalty anyway. I like my republican friends but I really do think that is pathetic.

>>57132795

Why are people like him even allowed to run? Don't they have enough power already?

Isn't the whole point of democracy to level the playing field by giving power to those who don't have any?

>>57130979
>we
Yeah no, just you amerifats

>>57133041
I agree people voting for someone just because of their party affiliation is stupid, but pre-1990s US politics was a very different time. Blame Newt Gingrich.

That said there have also been instances of Republican defectors, like in 08 when Indiana went blue and in this election it seems like a toss up with AZ, Georgia and even Utah going blue.

>>57133116
>Georgia
Georgia is not going blue pal, not my state.

>>57133041
I typically vote republican myself but Trump is simply not a good candidate. The best thing you could say about him is that he probably wont be able to accomplish anything that he wants to accomplish, which is sad by itself.

I think Trump is not running for president, he's running for dictator. I'm sure if he even realizes the difference between the two.

>>57133148
>I'm sure if he even realizes the difference between the two.

I'm not sure if he even realizes the difference between the two.*

>>57133140
Clinton has a 32% chance according to 538. It's not hanging in the balance like AZ but the possibility is still very real.

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>>57133140
Georgia looks quite red but Clinton is very close to Trump to call it .

>>57133148
>paid Killary shill
You're on 4chan, pal. WikiLeaks is not new to us, and voting for witch war-criminals isn't what we do here.

>>57132889
>All of the cuck heavy states are bluest.

Like poetry.

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>>57133289
>voting for war criminals isn't what we do here
>"We have to go after their families"
>Will bomb foreign military vessels for making obscene gestures at american vessels

>>57133334
Seeing how cucks call Trump a dictator while Hillary is an option is hilarious.

Clinton should win and close down this fucking hate site.

>>57133367
That's protecting America, not war for oil.
I knew there were Google shills here, but didn't expect them to get paid to shill for Killary.

>>57133388
Repeating digits confirm. FCUK H8!

>>57132187
>the original net neutrality bull
How many years and dollars ago was that?
You know she isn't the most consistent person

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>>57133402
>war for oil
>"We should have gone in and taken all of Iraq's oil" -Donald Trump, Oct 11th 2016

>>57133388
$.02 have been deposited to your Google shill account.
>>>/r/eddit

>>57130979
both Trump and Hillary are against it.
But I think Hillary has an actual plan in place to dismantle it unlike Trump so she's worse.

>>57133427
>Clinton strongly supports net neutrality.[500][501] Senator Clinton was a cosponsor of the Internet Freedom Preservation Act, also known as the Snowe-Dorgan bill, as an amendment to the Telecommunications Act of 1996, that protects network neutrality in the United States. The bill aims to protect internet consumers and small businesses from Internet service providers charging large companies different amounts for Internet access than smaller customers. Clinton has stated that the Internet must continue to use an "open and non-discriminatory framework" so that it may be used as a forum where "views are discussed and debated in an open forum without fear of censorship or reprisal".[502] In 2007, she stated, "I support net neutrality... [The Internet] does not decide who can enter its marketplace and it does not pick which views can be heard and which ones silenced. It is the embodiment of the fundamental democratic principles upon which our nation has thrived for hundreds of years."[502] While secretary of state, Clinton delivered a major speech (entitled "Remarks of Internet Freedom") in January 2010, declaring that "We stand for a single Internet where all of humanity has equal access to knowledge and ideas."[503] In her 2016 platform, Clinton proposed to defend and enforce "the FCC decision under the Obama Administration to adopt strong network neutrality rules that deemed internet service providers to be common carriers under Title II of the Communications Act."[500][501]

>>57133440
Saying that and doing that are two different things, shill ;)
Killary has already killed enough innocent people for the Jews.

>>57133456
Hillary changes her skin more times than a snake so past voting means nothing.

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>>57133464
Saying matters just as much as doing when you're the president, which Mr. Trump fails to understand. Neither have even become president, but during the debates statements by the candidates actually caused stocks to rise and fall. Statements by Mr. Trump have also caused diplomatic relations to sour with the US, especially between Mexico-US and Canada-US. Not a great thing when both are some of America's most reliable trading partners.

>>57133472
I thought saying and doing were two different things?

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>>57133456

>>57133456
>you have to have a public face and a private face

>>57132918
Yeah that's totally an equal tradeoff

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>>57133544
Killary changes her words as soon as someone pays her to.

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>>57133550

>>57133550
Yes, politicians can have personal beliefs and still represent their constituencies and voters. That's the entire point of being a public servant. Her voting record shows she supports net neutrality and will continue to uphold it.

>>57133591
>damning transcripts leaked
>blamed the russians
CTR pls

>>57133367
Trump isn't going to assassinate you because one of your family members joined ISIS.

>>57133603
>her voting record shows
Her voting record shows political opportunism. Her email record shows she's wholly bought and paid for by anyone with a checkbook.

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>>57133612
What does "we have to go after their families" mean then? They won't assassinate you, they'll just hold you captive, torture you and use you as a bargaining chip?

>>57130979
Don't know what Trump will do. Btw why is Hillary in pic related?

>>57133646
Google donates heavily to her and covers up her scandals by suppressing trends. As a CTR employee, you should know this.

>>57131617
thanks for correcting the record

Hillary has a history of rewarding corporations who help her with special political privileges. She has strong ties to Google. If elected, Google will become the internet.

Fortunately, she will not be elected.

Posted from my Android phone.

>>57131761
> She has no clue
No, she has every clue. She simply didn't give a Fuck. Don't pretend she's some clueless old lady. She's the Fucking devil and knew exactly what she was doing with classified files.

>>57132795
>comparing having millions personally to controlling a country which routinely spends trillions

Well we found one retard in the thread.

>>57133102
>democracy is supposed to make poor people powerful and fuck the rich

No retard. Democracy is supposed to get rid of the playing field all together and it would work as intended if poor people weren't stupid as fuck.

The whole premise of democracy requires and assumes that the population is intelligent and informed which most of the population is neither intelligent nor informed and that's no one's fault but theirs.

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>>57133643
Pretty much what Killary does and has done to people.

>>57133673
I'm being serious when I say you should go to red dit if you want a safe space from people who disagree with you.

>>57133759
CTR pls go. You're only here to pretend anyone agrees with your corrupt hag boss.

>>57133749
Is having sources a jewish conspiracy now?

>>57133041
I'm voting for Trump for two reasons:

1. I hate Hillary. I think she's a traitor and will bring this country down if it works well for her in the end. She's also a major security risk.

2. Trump winning would shake up the whole political atmosphere. I don't like what we have going now and I want them to feel afraid that change is coming.

I also happen to like his stance on immigration and taxes.

>>57133749
Jesus, what a cunt.

>>57133759
I'm willing to argue with a bernie voter why they're wrong, but you're not a bernie voter, you're a paid clinton shill. Nobody who is willing to vote for clinton goes to 4chan.

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>>57133781
>Only shills disagree with me

That's a whole lot of shills, anon!

>>57133804
Agreed on this. I don't like a lot of Trump's more authoritarian stances, but he's much better than clinton and we need the wall and more sane immigration policies.

>>57133822
4chan is something like the 400th most popular website on the internet right? That's a huge mass of people from all walks of life. Sad that you have to use the shilling excuse to avoid having your safe space shattered.

>>57133548
>>57133572
>>57133591
>>57133630

Calm down grandma

>>57133845
>shilling this hard

>>57132187
Literally copy/pasted from Reddit.

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>>57133937
wot m8

>>57133883
>>>/r/4chan

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>>57133456
> Clinton said something a decade ago
> i am totally sure that this Wall Street puppet doesn't lie and that she still has the same opinion.


You guys are political illitarate.
You should stay in your Wallpaper, iPhone and Gaming PC threads.

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>>57133890
Fuck off, shill.

Use vector arithmetic on all of the internal and external pressures on the next president, and the final vector is the answer.

>>57133985
Hillary claims her opinion on TPP shifted as more information about it came out but she still claims that she supports a pacific trade deal apparently.

>against universal healthcare
Right now she's claiming that she wants to fix obamacare.

The rest of the stuff is probably accurate.

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>>57131761
>Hillary is worse because she has no clue how email works

>>57131939
>Having a choice in ISP

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>>57134152
>shilling

>>57133804
If you actually think Trump will make a good president then Im not calling you pathetic. A lot of people just don't see the crazy and those people should vote their preference.

But if you actually do see it and acknowledge that he is unstable and will vote for him anyway, well, I really dont agree with that.

>>57131063
RMS for president.

Can you even imagine him running fir president, imagine how people would look at him

>>57132278
>he voted for king nigger
lmao

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>>57134211
>thinking Killary will make a good president

>>57132781
hillshill >>>/out/

>>57134282
People always vote for memes. Black president, female presidents

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>When you find a /pol/ thread on /g/

Honestly the net's grown to a point where we really need to reconsider our neutrality laws. I mean qos mechanisms have been in tcp/ip from day one mostly unused.

>>57134315
Trump too

>>57134282
I fell for the memes back in 2008. Never again will I make that same mistake.

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>Having the government regulate the internet at all
Just abolish the FCC. Problem solved.

Why people want common carriers, I have no goddamn idea.

>>57134391
Trump is not a meme.

>>57133985
Yet trump just got raked over the coals for something unrelated he said in confidence 11 years ago...

>>57134301
pretty sure anon isn't shilling shillery or anon would have gave her a reach around while bashing trump. Stating trump's shit policies is not shilling for shittery.

We are fucked from both sides and there is no going around that truth. You can put your fingers in your ears and scream "LA LA LA!" all you want while Trump fucks your ass mercilessly but you are still getting fucked. There is, from my eyes, no lesser evil.

>>57134193
Are you retarded, how is that even [enter /pol/ meme]? She clearly knew what she was doing with those emails

I'd be more worried about being in the blast radius or fallout zone once we start WW3 with russia

>>57134591
His entire campaign is based on memes

>>57134682
>no lesser evil
>literally selling out your people to foreign investors
>saying "pussy," and other mean things
What fucking world do you live in? Oh, right, the one where you work for CTR. Shitty damage control there Chaim.

>>57131643
> implying Trump is Republican

In the future we will get something similar to TV subscriptions thanks to companies like Google and Facebook

>>57133035
It just looks like it would raise taxes if you were meet specific requirements within any class. Follow these rules and you will pay less in taxes. This is normal for most countries that tax on an income, which shouldn't be done in the first place. Trump is far more trustworthy, because he isn't in the pockets of the super-wealthy. However, this is a technology board, so this doesn't really matter.

I'm actually hoping Hillary does gut the internet. I'm sick of being a web developer. I'd much prefer being an outdoorsman radio operator for the resistance.

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>Hillary
>Flip flopping on TPP (which doesn't just harm net neutrality)
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/27/politics/tpp-what-you-need-to-know/
>Supports net neutrality
http://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/where-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-stand-tech-issues-n619736

Trump
>Against TPP
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/28/donald-trump-vows-to-cancel-trans-pacific-partners/
>Against Net Neutrality
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/532608358508167168

Who the fuck do you vote for both really don't understand you can't have a free internet with TPP nor a free internet without net neutrality?

>>57133743
>No retard. Democracy is supposed to get rid of the playing field all together and it would work as intended if poor people weren't stupid as fuck.
How are the poor people supposed to not be stupid as fuck when they can't afford a proper education? How would cutting taxes, and therefore education funding, lead to your supposed intended premise of democracy?

>>57135380
>Who the fuck do you vote for both really don't understand you can't have a free internet with TPP nor a free internet without net neutrality?

TPP is far more of a threat to the internet than a lack of NN. The internet grew up without formal NN. The TPP would give sufficient power to the Internet's biggest thugs to run it into a ditch.

>>57130979
Trump trump trump trump.

>>57135385
git gud and dont be poor :^)

>>57135409
>The internet grew up without formal NN.
The internet from the days of telephone lines had NN. When we moved off of telephone lines to cable, ethernet and fiber the rules changed even though it was basically the same shit just a different method.

>>57130979
Kek. Wouldnt count on it buddy

I can understand people finding trump to be crazy, corrupt, whatever. I can understand the concerns and he's not someone you can look in the eye and trust to keep you alive.

However I don't see how it's possible for so many people to be blind to what hillary and associates have been doing. You have literal chumps with loads of money telling you how to vote and how to think, instigating little wars, violence around rallies, appearing on television telling you that owning a certain bit of information that compromises them is illegal, therefore you have to remain ignorant... There is not a single free mind that can agree with this tyranny.

>>57135385
Remember Trump loves the poorly educated.

>>57135558
Are you referring to Trump?

Right on this thread convinced me to vote for hillary its about time we had a female president i mean even obama the first african american president says she is most qualified to be president fuck white people #ImWithHer

Net Neutrality?
It's myth just like like internet anonymity

>>57135385
>how are people supposed to be smart in an age when everything you could ever want to know is given to your freely on the internet and accessible by anyone at any time without restriction

Wow. I have no idea retard.

Cutting taxes is a principle. You have no right to take that much of my money just because you can't figure out how to spend what you have properly. I'm not an unlimited piggy bank that you can draw from anytime you make stupid mistakes or careless decisions.

It's a meme. It's not neutral, it is more political control. Ask if viewing porn videos should have the same priority as military,hospitals,government services. Suddenly the neutrality flies out of the window. There is no definite nonchanging definition of what net neutrality means, It's a loose term subject to political play political intrigue.
The ignorant techie who wants gov enforced net neutrality only knows his technology, he doesn't understand the political system.

>>57130979
Clinton would sell it to the the highest bidder plus monitor the fuck out everything.

>>57130979
Companies should be able to do whatever the fuck they want with the service they provide.
Government shouldn't cuck companies into doing stupid shit.

While I think net neutrality is good, it shouldn't be forced by the government, but rather, competition

>>57135567
That must be why Hillary is pushing to get the uneducated ghetto voters with all that race baiting.

>>57135579
He's referring to Hillary's leaked emails which plainly lay out her open corruption and blatant disregard for everyone who isn't paying her, constituents included.

Kindly fuck off CTR shills, this is the wrong place to propagate you bullshit. We're actually paying attention to what you faggots have done to Assange for telling the truth.

>>57130979
She'll support the kind of net neutrality that corrects the record

>>57136523
She'll only support whatever gives her money in her pocket, not minding what she's said before (as she's been doing thus far).

>>57130979
you are fucked from the moment you knew you had to choose between two shitty choices.

>>57133743
>Democracy is supposed to get rid of the playing field all together and it would work as intended if poor people weren't stupid as fuck
It's the wealthy elites constantly trying to push cultural marxism down our throats, not the poor.

>>57131031
this

>>57135005
this

the smug fucker pulled the biggest con of the decade.

>>57133997
have you considered the irony of calling someone else a shill while literally shilling something?

>>57132889
>murrifats letting murrica being controlled by a woman
just remember, you will have that old fart for 10 years, dont cry later

>>57133743
when there's so much disinformation and so little time in our day to day lives, how can you blame the middleclass for being uninformed?

>>57134220
He looks like a fat Jesus. That's good enough

>>57137314
Republicans wouldn't even vote for the real Jesus.

>>57135598
next president will be gay

the internet is unlimited the companies should be forced to give it to everyone imo

>>57136292
>plainly lay out her open corruption and blatant disregard for everyone who isn't paying her
this is what sexist racist nazi trumptards believe, she did absolutely nothing wrong
btw assagne is a traitorous piece of shit, kill yourself you fucking whitey

>>57130979
No matter who gets in we should expect slimy bills passed that will attack online freedoms.

>>57133743
>>57133102
The primary issue with democracy is that it's not a political process that's supposed to do what's right, it's supposed to keep the majority of the people happy. Democracy is based off a fallacy if it's trying to accomplish what's best since what's best isn't what most people agree with.

But no modern country has democracy, they have representative democracies where a separated class of political players compete to be the most appealing to the most people. Politicians are notoriously disconnected from the struggles of the citizens and it gets worse when the entire system is a bunch of nepotistic corruption. 360 million people in the USA and the wife of an ex-president is the one who makes it in? Bullshit.

The appeal of Trump to many is that he's not a professional politician but even then to have a shot at presidency and to enter this political class he had to be one of the most famous, wealthiest and powerful people in the country.