Why is 4chan so slow and why are the ads and Google captchas

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WebM and WebP only uploads but hiroshima nagasaki won't allow that.

>>57058733
Hiroshima is moving 4chan from Cloudflare to cheap canadian hosts.

>>57058773
Looks like shit with both formats at 50kb. Would most likely look okay at 100kb, but you won't include that into comparison because you eat dicks every day.

>>57058806

They were probably cheap as shit servers behind the cloudflare proxy as well though.

>>57058806
The point of the comparison was to detail how dogshit JPG is. 50% or more compression efficiency over JPG can be achieved with WebP.

>>57058840
Welp. They worked perfectly. And cloudflare serves almost all of 4chan traffic (static content that is) by itself without bothering 4chan servers.

>>57058850
That's completely irrelevant when those compressed images look like shit. I don't want people like you taking high quality images and butchering them with low bitrate webp.

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>>57058880
>That's completely irrelevant when those compressed images look like shit. I don't want people like you taking high quality images and butchering them with low bitrate webp.
I give up.

>>57058928
Does that mean you'll stop forcing that webp bullshit? Thanks!

>>57058773
I think you should compare some other images. The pictures look so busy that the only obvious difference I can see is the color.

>>57058939
https://my.mixtape.moe/ooautu.webp

>>57058733
use 4chanx, it fixes the image server links. on 1gbps dualbonded with image prefetching enabled, never noticed the issue here senpai

>>57058773
Quite impressive besides most pictures on 4chan have a shitty resolution or are compressed to a pixel mush.

>>57059097
>not the first post from this address

>>57059115
this one either

>>57059115
Wat? I am OP, faggot.

>WebP is an image format employing both lossy and lossless compression.
>It is currently developed by Google, based on technology acquired with the purchase of On2 Technologies.

Why do you have a problem with it? It's the future.

>>57059150
this

>>57059150
My problem? The picture showing its usage posted here has pictures that look good in JPEG and WebP, and pictures that look like shit in JPEG and WebP. This doesn't demonstrate at all how WebP is better.

>>57059187
Look at the file sizes you fucking retard. Notice something about the 25KB WebP and 48KB JPG?

>>57059250
25KB WebP that looks like shit.
48KB JPG that looks like shit.
Noticing them all right.

>>57059265
The WebP one looks the same. This proves WebP has 50% better compression than JPG.

>>57058733
If you don't want 4chan to become slower, buy 4chan passes and donate.

>>57059280
1. It does not look the same.
2. This only demonstrates that WebP is reasonably better at sizes when images look like shit anyway. WebP performance at greater bitrates and how it compares to JPEG is not demonstrated in that picture.

>>57058773
But does webp allow for transparency

>>57058982
Oh shi- 5KB bruh this format is da bomb. Should be used everywhere.

>>57059349
Yup in both lossly and lossless encoding.

>>57059376
I think it is actually lossy and not lossly. The ly would indicate that the word is an adverb and not an adjective.

>>57058733
cut hosting costs by reducing page counts globally and eliminating and consolidating boards that do nothing but take up space and serve as google/booru substitutes and cancer magnets

ie:
delete: /hr/, /cm/, /hm/, /y/, /lgbt/, /s/, /hc/, /soc/ and /mlp/
merge: /w/ and /wg/, /u/, /e/ and /h/, /o/ and /n/ (cyclists get /out/, result is /o/ with trains)
all displaced posters go to /trash/ and /b/. with reduced page counts, they can not take up as much space. without hugboxes, they are less motivated to use up bandwidth.

toppest of keks plan:
merge /a/, /jp/, and /b/

>>57059392
Deleting low traffic boards won't do anything. I have no idea why you people think it will. Also if we really want to cut traffic, how about we get rid of /pol/?
>inb4 muh containment board

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Oh and in case any of you were wondering, Webp has better compression efficiency compared to lossless PNG. It varies from 25-50% depending on what type of image it is.

Lossless PNG (283KB): pic related

Lossless WebP (171KB): https://my.mixtape.moe/yugyff.webp

Lossy WebP (104KB): https://my.mixtape.moe/qzwodj.webp

>>57059503
/pol/ is the one containment board we actually need, unless you want to ride oiut the displacement storm

>deleting low traffic boards won't do anything

Except save a fuckload of space and cause a few displaced users to leave

>>57059507
nobody saves or converts to webp
you're saving kilobytes per image when you could just host fewer images and set size limits

>>57059588
>nobody saves or converts to webp
That needs to change.

>you're saving kilobytes per image when you could just host fewer images and set size limits
This would be ideal if everyone used 480p monitors and phones with 240p screen resolutions.

Look mang, Webp already has a fuckton of huge support with Chrome on desktop/mobile and even firecocks is going to support it after their failed SJW JPG encoder flopped hard.

We even have GUI encoders to help with the mentally disabled.

https://github.com/samuelcarreira/webPGUI

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Do different boards actually have different servers?

Also, that big can't 4chan be, or? I mean, some webms, images and thats it. Maybe a few hundred GB?

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>>57059507
Hi Google shill, you are a failure to your kind.

>>57059686
>that needs to change

it won't. not for one website.

>small screens

You don't need to have your anime pornos fill your screen

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>>57059687

>>57059720
Forgot about that. 737GB is not much but it is, multiplied by 200.000.Would like to know how many megabyte 4chan per second serves.

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>>57059706
Hello lossy PNG man, I haven't seen you in a while. How have you been?

ok, now that 4chan is unusable for fapping what site should I use?
tumblr has lots of contents but is horribly organized
reddit is slow and boring

>>57059588
>save a fuckload of space
Storage isn't the problem you turboautist, bandwidth is. We've been over this a million times. Low traffic boards aren't the problem. Many people requesting images with huge file sizes are. Hence the proposal to cut file sizes, like by decreasing the max file size or forcing webp or both

>>57059588
>unless you want to ride oiut the displacement storm
/pol/ is not working as a containment board if it actively attracts newfags to 4chan. All it does is increase the number of stormfags that spill into other boards and derail discussions on a daily basis. Delete /pol/ and you get rid of all the faggots who came only to trumppost. Let Reddit have them.

>>57059588
Yes I would rather ride out the storm because /pol/ already doesn't work as a containment board. It's like the 3rd largest board on here. We get rid of it, we get rid of a lot of traffic after the shit storm dies down.

>>57059588
Yes I would rather ride out the storm because /pol/ already doesn't work as a containment board. It's like the 3rd largest board on here. We get rid of it, we get rid of a lot of traffic after the shit storm dies down.

Also fuck you for not understanding that storage space is cheap as dick. If you don't know that, you probably don't belong here.

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>>57059507
>>57059807
Uh?
"Lossless" WebP, really? That's nice. Oh, wait a second...

>1.2 seconds
>Slow

>>57058733
You have to make dire sacrfices to kee 4chan alive (probably one of the most free sites on the web). Freedom isn't free.

>>57059912
>>57059929
I have no idea what happened here and why this posted like this

>>57059932
That's the lossy Webp you dumb fuck. Lossless WebP was encoded in RGBA, no lossy encoding of any kind.

Why are some images being hosted on is.4chan.org?

>>57059966
It's been happening for a few days, initially that subdomain was a dead link and some people were having constant 404s.

>>57059965
>That's the lossy Webp you dumb fuck.
No it is not, go head, indulge me and check it yourself, pixel-by-pixel.
>you won't because it proves you wrong, shill

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>>57059507
png recompressed lossless with pnggauntlet
took 3 minutes on a i7 6700

>>57060076
kek

>>57059966
see >>57053441

>>57060076
that image can be taken down to a 244kb png and thats about it for true lossless, none of that webp lossless crap
>ttt convert

>>57059507
fuck off jewggle pajeet jew

>>57060135
why is webp crap
the lossless webp is smaller, probably faster to convert too

>>57060173
cause its not really lossless
yall niggas are so easily fooled by jewggle its amazing you are still alive

>>57059588
My one problem with /pol/ is that they're literally letting reddit in and they're going to reddit doing missionary work to convert them to the alt right and they keep inviting them in. What a bunch of faggots, fuck you /pol/.

>>57060238
WebP does have legit lossless encoding you dipshit.

https://developers.google.com/speed/webp/docs/webp_lossless_bitstream_specification

>>57060753
>legit
>docs written by jewggle
prove it, every single shit ive seen so far marked as lossless has been lossy
see >>57059932 and >>57060064
>dipshit
maximum_damage_control.losslesswebpbislossy

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>>57060821
The real problem is Webp only supports 24-bit RGB. That PNG that anon posted was 32-bit RGB.

There mystery solved. WebP still supports lossless encoding.

Here, I'll prove it. Pic related is 24-bit lossless PNG.

Here is a WebP of it: https://my.mixtape.moe/jpbeat.webp

Literally no difference between them.

>inb4 le webp is finished and le bankrupt since no 32-butt support
32-bit RGB PNGs are rarely used, 99.9% of them are 24-bit RGB.

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>Webp only supports 24-bit RGB
"new" format, less capabilities than old ones
nice going jewggle, no wonder its a dead format on arrival
>32-bit RGB PNGs are rarely used
8bpc rgba pngs are rarely used? wtf you must be trippin nigga
>99.9% of them are 24-bit RGB
hahaha [citation needed]
>Literally no difference between them.
neither with pic related, and i didnt need no extra tools to see it, nor save an copy of said image
>webp is finished and le bankrupt since no 32-butt support
your words

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>>57061371
using a png optimizer is 10 times slower than converting to loseless webp for me

xnview even managed compressed it more, down to 38KiB

Snake Oil in Image Compression
by
Kornel Lesinski

https://ldnwebperf.org/sessions/snake-oil-in-image-compression-how-to-ensure-youre-getting-best-quality-and-file-size/

>>57061463
>using a png optimizer is 10 times slower than converting to loseless webp for me
nigga i literally did "save as png"
>""""""""""""lossless"""""""""""" webp
nice joke but no

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>>57061497
oops forgot pic related
><:^)

>>57061497
what program did you use to save as png?

>>57061521
why?
arent you happy with all your webp converters?
pls

>>57061535
if your results aren't reproducible your butthurt posts are worth nothing

>>57061549
>your results aren't reproducible
fine, you got me, i used black magic along side with a shaman to cast the pics you see in posts >>57061371 and >>57061514
>your butthurt posts
average_damage_control.givmeallyour"lossless"webpconverters

><:^)
><:^)
><:^)

>>57059150
Why do spamlords always say "It's the future!" when trying to shove some worthless, doomed-to-failure, loser technology down everyone's throats?

>>57061625
Are you saying we should all be using JPG and PNG when 4-8K images become popular?

Webp shows the biggest promise because of the mass support it already has.

>>57061640
>JPG and PNG don't support 4-8K images
Please change boards, /g/ isn't for you, perhaps >>>/lgbt/ would be a better fit.

>>57061752
I never said that you retarded faggot. They just take up more space which is unnecessary. If nobody gave a shit about space then we would still be using MPEG-1 video

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>>57061752
says the luddite

>>57061759
>further iterations of the MPEG codec, after the first one, came to be, solely on the fact that they are more efficient, space wise
Really, visit >>>/lgbt/ , it will fell like 127.0.0.1 to you.
>>57061776
Engage in a common brawl with me, my sibling!

>>57061831
0/10 trolling

Being even a little obvious is what always gives it away senpai, be more subtle next time.

>>57061973
Difficulties with communication and understanding others are signs of autism, get checked.

>>57062332
flif is still in alpha development, has 0 support, is like 10% more efficient than WebP so it's already DOA.

>>57062375
my post was stupid
flif is loseless so it cannot replace jpg, and partly replace webp

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>>57059878
>>57059912
>>57059929
>>57060312
Go back to tumblr, faggots. You don't belong here.
/pol/ stays, nobody will miss you.