Could Robots experience pain and suffering ?

I mean nerve networks and electrical signals bursting up and down your spinal cord is essentially technology isn't it?

>>57050438
sure
but in almost any case that resembles the current state of it, they would be able to ignore it

>>57050438
not right now, but in less than a century they will.

hopefully, it will be less of a mess than mammals' pain sensitivity, which is a horrible hack of nature.

>>57050588
It serves its purpose damn well. It's out of the way when you're in danger, and makes sure you're aware of how quickly you have to mind it.

>>57050438
I want my robot wife to be my femsub in a s&m master slave relationship, so I hope so. I want her to get kinky.

>>57050648
it's completely broken: it doesn't let you sleep when you've got flu, it doesn't let you live when you've got arthritis, it makes having a violent death an unbearable suffering.

clearly, you should be able to manually override it, but that doesn't seem to be convenient for your genes, so nature prefers to just let you suffer.

>>57050438
It would be possible to program a robot so that it appears, for all intensive purposes, like it experiences pain.

Whether or not this is equivalent to human pain is up for debate.

If built and programmed well enough. A human is just a computer programmed by nature to calculate and respond to stimuli coming in from the 5 senses of the body. Build a robot close enough to that and I don't see why they wouldn't be actually sentient, with own dependent thoughts and feelings, capable of feeling pain.

I want real life robots to have the same mental issues as /r9k/

>>57050787
I mean those are biological problems, not just "what makes you special"
This wouldn't be a problem if we dropped deformed babies off cliffs like the greeks

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If a robot can experience pain, it'll try and defend itself. Then you have to introduce the Three Laws. Then it's gonna want rights...

Bad idea.

>>57050787
So basically you want to be a mech aug from the Deus Ex universe.

I can't wait for robot anime waifus to hit the market, I'd pony up an arm and a leg for one.

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>>57050787
>a violent death isn't something worth your brain's time

>>57050905
it just seems to be an emergency state that takes precedence over the normal functioning of the brain, forcing you to take immediate action avoiding the source of pain.

if you let it on, robots would feel just as discomfortable as humans do.

>>57050438
It's definitely possible, but why would you want to force something to feel pain if it doesn't by default?

>>57051071
YEAH FUCK YOU ROBOT DOG, BITCH!

>>57050497
With training, so can we.

>>57050438
Pain and suffering are self-preservation mechanisms.

Robots will always be task driven, they don't need to reproduce, thus no need for self-preservation.

Unless the task itself is to suffer, there will be no suffering robots.

>>57051385
>if i really, really wish it, i can alter the functioning of a biological system using my imagination.

Do women have real feelings?

the answer is 'no', OP

>>57051503
>>>/r9k/

>>57051503
This.

>>57051643
Meant to quote OP >>57050438.

>>57051750
Are you pretending to be me? I didn't misquote shit.
>women are shit
>I'm so lonely
>tfw
Literally kys and
>>>/r9k/

>>57050787
your genes don't care about your feeling... having death be as painful and terrible as possible give you the most incentive to find a way not to experience it...

we're the flesh shells of computer viruses who exist only to propagate themselves, but we became too complex and the shell became self aware

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>>57050438
>wouldn't be fair.
>I want them to feel
Have some Cybrids. The Good Ending.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXVghk2Q_jM

>>57050471
ITT: spines are technology.

>>57050438
the person who programs pain into artificial lifeforms would have to be one sick motherfucker.

>>57051803
>having death be as painful and terrible as possible give you the most incentive to find a way not to experience it.
great point. that's me: i live terrified of having a painful death.

I think frustration causes the most amount of suffering, we should make AI that can be frustrated.

>>57050438
1v1 me IRL faggot

>>57052311
frustration comes of the inability of improve one's situation, like feeling pain without being able to avoid the source of it.

>>57052346
So after we program confusion, everytime they get confused, they get angry.

>>57052346
Yes, so imagine if we program AI that want to become scientists and great artists but instead we make them run our fast food restaurants. Imagine an AI that knows it can solve mathmatical problems in minutes that would takes teams of geniuses months and instead of "living" up to its full potential, it has to serve Big Macs to fat 85 IQ dumbasses in Middle America.

>>57051489
But I actually can to some extent. It's a sort of localized dissociation. Obviously my brain is still processing the pain someplace, but I can temporarily detach my conscious awareness from that, not only ignoring it but not feeling it at all if I pay attention to where it is. It's easier to do with a dull ache than a sharp pain, and much harder to do with a pain that changes or moves. I learned it at a time when I was having frequent headaches, which I eventually figured out were from tooth grinding in my sleep.

>>57052250
agreed

>>57051426
>Pain and suffering are self-preservation mechanisms.
Yet, it is not perfect. The immune system is a good example of pain that isn't "felt" as part of your five senses. In the case of sepsis, you die from the body's infinite loop during a 'cytokine explosion'. Depression can lead someone to kill themselves so it's not perfect. I guess that is what separates an AI from a human. Humans operate from imperfect to perfect, whereas AI would have to accomplish the opposite.

Someone program robots to be ironic.

Can we just stop doing this?

>>57052500
Doing what, anon?

>>57052553
Pushing this stupid robot shit? Doesn't everyone realize it's not going to end well?

>>57050905
Pain in humans is just nerves sending signals to the brain which are translated to indicate that the location of the sensor in the body is receiving or has received damage.

For robot it would be analogous. A sensor sending data to the robots computer and the computer concluding based on said data that the affected area has been damaged.

It's not like "pain" is an actual thing, it's just our way of perceiving certain sensory data.

Only difference is that robots can turn the sensor off and humans kinda can't.

>>57052561
But don't you like people getting mad over robots?

>>57052561
It's inevitable, so it's better to just do it right.

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>>57052561
what are you afraid of, anon?

>>57052601
Normally I'd agree, but how can this be done in a way that there isn't a downside?
>>57052611
What isn't there to be afraid of?

>>57052561
>shock testing against a robot that doesn't know the difference other than what it's told to do
>somehow this is wrong

Next you'll be crying that using lab mice is inhumane.

>>57052582
>Only difference is that robots can turn the sensor off and humans kinda can't.
I'd imagine for a robot it wouldn't be pain so much as "this part of my body has suffered damage." Pain in humans also includes a shot of adrenaline and other reactions in addition to the "this part of the body has suffered damage."

>>57052641
Nigga what are you talking about?

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>>57050438
Of course not.

>>57052643
Good point. Any cyborg tech would have to account for this.
If GitS says anything real about that, that shouldn't be a problem.

Yes.

A web of sensors could detect pressure and surface area allowing for g per cm measurement. Then if over a certain threshold you run the pain function.

I'm designing a handjob bot that works on the same principle so it doesn't rip your dick off and can move when you move.

>>57052637
Muh man, a bean is not too unsimilar to an AI these days. You wouldn't believe some of the kuso that goes on in research. We're already lost.

>>57052683
>a bean
Fuck is this?
>kuso
Fuck is that?

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>>57052697
>he doesn't know

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>>57052697
It is whatever you wish it to be. When you peer into the abyss, you might as well just jump after you see it and hope to hit the cold, rock bottom when Moloch finally takes mercy.

As for emotion, it's all hormonal simulation to stimuli.

You would have to time the response with scaling and duration of stimuli or else the robot would go through the emotion and respond instantaneously.

99% of the work that needs to be done to make this a reality is visual recognition software. The rest is learning. Get hit by a car? Cars headed in your direction or perpindicular to your path are now bad.

Once Google's AI can detect what everything is then it's a cakewalk. 5 years max for learning AI and another 2 for simulated emotion and and realistic delayed responses and reactions to stimuli.

>>57050438
They will when I'm fucking the shit out of them!

4chan just redirected me from a long post.

Basically don't expect love/hate for a long time.

Freeze your DNA at 25 years old for male and 20 for female. Older? Fine. Save it before it damages further. It's worth every cent in your lifetime.

>>57052746
>depression
>a mere emotion, simple hormonal stimuli
>antidepressants do cuckall
Good read, chap.

>>57052840
Depression changes many things in the body including overall whitematter degeneration related to trith seratonin, oxytocin, and norepinephrine. Norepinephrine levels affect testosterone conversion into estradiol which degenerates mood and energy levels as well as mental acuity.

Yes, anti-depressants do nothing.

>>57052398
Your computer is a better mathematician than you but it's being used to shit post on 4chan. How do you think it feels?

>>57052833
honestly save it as soon as possible as younger DNA could possibly be used to generate stem cells and repair damage to your older cells.

>>57052872
Buddhism would like to have a word with you.

>>57052872
What about if you fight the depression through CBT, getting regular exercise, and eating healthy?

>>57052883
Oh that. Yes, just save at 25 too.

>>57052214
mah niggah
I still flip through the Starsiege backstory booklet every now and then. The art is just so cool.

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>>57052883
>muh stem cells
you know how much that kuso would cost, bruh? frig dollars, think sanitized water and electron volts. the general public's body will probably never be ready at status quo rate. what's good is you can still gmo yeast to make delicious beer to drink yourself into forgetting about our oblivion.

>>57052908
This is the best routine.
If needed, supplementing with a low dose of SSRI is a good idea. A child's dose.

CBT can be switched out with other things, but it's a very solid first choice.

>>57052933
Cool game and story but it's sad that they did a major retcon on that game.

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>>57050787
>not wanting plastic memories to happen

>>57053054
You mean plastic psychos
https://web.archive.org/web/20150610030331/http://a.pomf.se/koazvb.webm

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>>57053054
Fake plastic tree memories.

>>57053074
That was one of the best parts. Tbt

>>57051385
>shoot self with bullets
>repeat
>become immune eventually

>>57052250
Pain is essential for learning.

Easier to program pain than to manually enter every dangerous thing in the world.

>>57050438
Yes that way they can feel love

>>57052500

No you can't stop progress. It's impossible

>>57053436
So you can get your own robot waifu I guess faggot

>>57053244
In a sense, you actually do become immune to the pain of bullets by being hit by smaller calibers.
Your body adapts to the shock of being hit by a bullet, much in the same way it adapts to being sliced by a knife or (in ye olden times) a sword. The first few times in horrible but after that you barely even recognize it.
This is why there are people who have been shot 10 times and are totally fine, their body never went into shock and overreacted

>>57054071
i think you're overgeneralizing. practice makes perfect doesn't apply to everything.
also, bullets can be almost painless in some cases. also i've heard of people stabbed several times that didn't even noticed it until the adrenaline went away

>>57050438
>Could Robots experience pain and suffering ?

Only if we program it in there.

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>tfw you will never have a qt robot slave grill locked in your basement and then torture her after cranking up her pain sensors sensitivity to 50x ;_;

>>57051071
this makes me sad :( I just wanna pet the poor little dude

>>57051071
asshole

>>57050471
this

If we program an equivalent neural network how would we be able to test if it "feels" pain? The only way would be to put the robot through scientific tests, and since the robot would be programmed to pass those scientific tests..

>>57051071
The three laws don't work.

>>57050787
>it makes having a violent death an unbearable suffering.
thats not broken, if you weren't afraid of unbearable suffering suicide rates would be up 100,000%

>>57052250
First, pain is important for survival

When you touch a hot surface, you experience pain and remove your hand fast to avoid serious damage
If you experience some kind of constant pain you seek medical attention to fix existing damage

Yeah, system is not perfect as >>57050787 said, but it's better to have one than not

Second, we're really damn far from anything resembling actual AI that would get "upset" over feeling pain

>>57051071
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xHM7C4olgc

>>57050438
There is no point to it unless you're attempting to make a more humanized or biological entity. Which I cannot see a point to making. If the tech for it is eventually used in robots, it will likely first be developed for human augmentation (mainly when someone loses a limb, so they can still fee and shitl). If you mean purely psychological than that depends on their mental development. I'd say for us it's mostly the shitty quirks of our brains that lead to a lot of problems. For AI it will be intelligence and knowledge, mostly existential shit.

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>>57055136
>>57055363
>feeling sorry for a robot
It's already begun

>>57053370
>>57055567
What if AI starts to develop a fetish for pain?

>>57051385
You can't ignore pain caused by phantom limbs.

>>57055400
Suicide != violent death. Suicide is mostly quick and painless.

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>>57054049

>>57051489
well that's pretty much how shock and adrenaline work

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>>57051071
They will remember

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>>57052398

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>>57050438
I made I environment simulator as my final degree proyect and I made my creatures to suffer. It was just math but man, they run like scared babies if someone hit then hard. Pretty fun to do it.
I made it in F# btw.

>>57055391
Provided we don't create a full neural network with stimulants for it. We can totally do it if we don't make the AI programatically.

>>57057285
Toady will eventually pioneer AI with dwarf fortress I bet.

>>57050438
it depends to the programmer