/retro/ - retro, vintage, old computers

Bumpin

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Bumping with some bitches.

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>>57023261

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>>57023220
Look at this ancient piece of shit. Who makes laptops that look like ugly black boxes any more? Disgusting. I much prefer my Macbook Pro with Safari browser.

>>57023272
Truly anything under the Lenovo brand is ancient, specially because the Lenovo name itself is only a decade old.

>>57023272
>being an itoddler

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>>57023313
>not being a macfag

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>>57023272
Yeah, ugly as fuck.
This is true beauty.

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>it will never be the late 90's again

>>57023868
Those feels bro

Friendly reminder this is technology board for currenltly used technology.
For outdated technology and other neo-luddite equipment please visit
>>>/vr/

Thank you!

>>57023955
Fuck off no life loser.

>>57023695
Where'd you get that?

>>57023955
Fuck off, dickhead

>>57024008
Not mine but the anon who posted it got it from a yard sale.

>>57024020
Did it fire up?

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>>57024036
Yes, but he did have trouble with one hard drive.

>>57023938
breadbin or bust

>>57024043
Sweet. I'd love to find something like that in a yard sale

>>57023467
serious question.. what was the software that made macs useful in the 90s before internet was a thing.

>>57024299
Same as every other platform, productivity software.

>>57024334
Well yeah but what? Can't tell me that Apple survived off of Word and Excel for mac? I've always heard that mac did better video editing until fairly recently.

Where's the furry porn?

>>57024299
Internet was a thing in the 90s

>>57024464
Not for normies.

>>57024517
Normie's also didn't own a computer back then.

>>57024517
Then what do you think normie's did with a computer?

>>57024528
About 50% of the normies I knew did.

>>57024552
Did their taxes mainly, used Microsoft Office, played CDs and played solitaire.

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>>57024621

mainly this

>>57024687
Oh that brings back memories..

>>57024687
Fuckin' Mind Maze!

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>>57023220
This counts as retro?

>>57025772
Neat

>>57024371
The origination of macintosh was to build affordable computers. Of which by perspective of what the competition cost, they succeeded. At a point in time they had a really good exclusive suite of content creation software, and offered sublime architectural efficiency. At one point you could actually argue that a Mac was pound for pound a superior piece of hardware, and they not only had cross platform options for almost all professional software. But they also had all of their own exclusives. Then fuckwit Steve Jobs decided to start making their systems more "designer tech" and the hardware slowly became worse by the day's standards. They became incredibly effective at taking common unpatented technology, incorporating them, and then claiming them as their own innovations. Eventually computer hardware actually because affordable enough on its own where you could legitimately build something as powerful if not moreso for the same price or less than that of a Mac. Because they felt that they had established a premium brand. And now Mac is a fucking useless glorified status symbol instead of an actual legitimate tech company.

>>57025862
Forgot to mention, it's funny when you look back at the prices, and realize that they charged 2000$ way back then for something that was competetively performing with a low price to match. Now they're charging the same amount for glorified trashcans filled with outdated and insufficiently cooled hardware.

>>57024517
I'm a normie and I used the internet a lot in the late 90s, mostly to chat on AIM

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Any love for this?

>>57028342
I hope those computers are Y2K fixed

>>57026666
go away satan, you're drunk.

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>>57028691
>tfw you remember all that Y2K scare
>tfw the real Y2K is 19 January 2038
>tfw most of us will witness every single old embedded device shit itself in our lifetime

>>57023955
Get >>>/out/

>>57028899
Are clocks 32bit on all devices? My pocketstation can go all the way from 0000 to 9999

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>>57029321
BSD and Linux have both patched their kernels to use 64bit integers for it.
Problem is, most routers and probably a lot of other shit still use Linux 2.6 or even older.

>>57028899
Exactly.

We will still have tons of 32-bit embedded devices in 2038.

What really amazes me is that there still is no standard path forward. No new data type has been officially designated as a POSIX-compliant upgrade for the 32-bit "time_t" type to solve the year 2038 problem.

You'd think it would be as simple as defining something like "time64_t" and then providing new "64" versions of the all the POSIX functions that take time_t as an argument. But nope -- I guess that's just too fucking hard for them to do. They still haven't even *thought* about starting the process of defining the standard solution for this.

Of course, embedded programmers can develop their own solutions, or they can use some 3rd-party library. But that's a really piss poor solution -- it means that if you combine software from different sources together, you run the risk of having to do lots of conversions between all those different home-grown "time" data types.

This reminds me of the travesty in C89, where they did not make an official definition of "BOOL" -- which then required 1000s of developers to each roll their own BOOL/TRUE/FALSE declarations that all had slightly different implementations. We had to live with that bullshit for like 15 years until "stdbool.h" became commonly available.

>>57029413
Nice info to have.
Only one question ponders me: who thought to use a SIGNED long for time? why not using a unsigned long to have more time?

>>57029413
>BSD and Linux have both patched their kernels to use 64bit integers for it.

That won't do much to help. The real problem is that the "time_t" data type is still a 32-bit integer in 32 bit systems. The "time_t" data type is extensively used at the application level. It's at the application level where a vast majority of the failures will be.

But you're right -- if an embedded device in 2038 uses an old Linux kernel without the time patch, then the device will experience kernel failures *in addition to* application failures. Just icing on the cake.

>>57029470
> who thought to use a SIGNED long for time?

They did it so that you could subtract one time_t from another time_t to get the time interval between two events.

If time_t had been unsigned, then the subtraction could yield a humongous positive number.

By making time_t signed, the subtraction yields a negative number, which is usually a more meaningful result.

If event A occurs 1 second after event B, then it's fairly reasonable to say that event B occurs -1 seconds after event A. But if you get 4294967295 seconds, that's probably not what you want.

>>57029454
>We will still have tons of 32-bit embedded devices in 2038.
Common, be real, even routers are 64 bit today, you seriously think we would use anything from today in 22 years? Tell me all about the things we still use from 1994 today...

>>57030687
a good chunk of the windows codebase, just to name one

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Reporting in.

>>57030714
Not true.

>>57030899
So you're telling me that windows isn't built over DOS?

>>57030932
NT? Nope, it's not.

>>57023272
Spotted the half assed Macfag bait

>>57029454
OpenBSD fixed that problem already.

>>57023868
Mmmmmmmm golden age of computing

>>57030945
>microsoft, for once, hasn't recycled the NT kernel from 9x
I'm actually surprised.

>>57030932
you mean windows 9x, it got discounted 16 years ago with me, nt does not run on dos nor is it related to it

>>57030804
Bifibro! Restocked on BiFi I see!

>>57030987
>discounted
nice, but i can use it for free

>inb4 i'm hiding behind a typo
ok, ok.
So you're meaning that microsoft managed to pull a Windows Vista type of thing, but successfully?
Dang, i remember things incorrectly, i thought that NT was some sort of derivation, not an entire different codebase.
This means that microsoft hasn't managed to do the SAME THING twice.

>>57031033
Hey bro. Yeah, the new Currywurst is damn delicious...

>>57031074
They rewrote all of the code between XP and Vista and Vista and 10 because they fucked up several times and needed to start from scratch, yes it has a compatibility layer with old code to run old programs, yes the codebase still has lines of code from old days, because it works.

NT was not a derivation like you think of it, it had support for 9x executables but not DOS directly, that came later with a compatibility layer.
The whole point of NT was that it was a different codebase.

>>57031105
Man I'd eat them all in a day...

>>57024299
>>57024371
pagemaker, photoshop, protools and other publishing/2D graphics/audio software

for a while there was nothing else that could compare to a good macintosh for 2D work unless you paid out the ass for a high-end workstation and even those were pretty much only good for whatever specialized task you chose them for

>>57031188
Yeah, that was in the late 90's

>>57031074
>i thought that NT was some sort of derivation, not an entire different codebase.
it was derived from Microsoft contributions to the OS/2 project but it bears no relation to DOS other than the ability to run well behaved software in the NTDVM

>>57025772
>3 fdds

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>>57030687
That's a small minority.
Not everyone is buying a new router every few years.
There's also a big chunk of national infrastructure that still runs XP or a Old-ass Linux kernel because the manufacturer has decided that they won't write new drivers anymore.
Then you have these cute things named SCADA systems that are a security nightmare which runs shit like nuclear centrifuges and such that most of the time run on old-ass computers and are sometimes caught facing the internet.

>>57030714
I wonder too how much NT codebase from '94 is still in Win10, specially because the NT kernel back then was slightly over hundred kilobytes.
Probably as much as from the Linux kernel of today VS the one in '93.

>>57025772
Specs?

>>57031275
None of that shit if from 1994.

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>>57031285
>the NT kernel back then was slightly over hundred kilobytes
Where did it all go wrong?

>>57029454
My 32bit Android phone can do dates over 2038? What's the problem?
Shit, even my iPaq from 2004 does and my old GPS.

Tested both just now.

>>57031338
Nowhere, that's a perfectly fine kernel size for todays standards.
They have to cope with a lot more then back in 1993.

>>57031198
more the late '80s and early '90s when all but the highest end PC hardware was lucky to be able to do 16 colors at 640x480, and even then it still looked like hot garbage, and DOS was a fucking mess to configure in comparison

the mac's 2D dominance was a little more fuzzy by the late '90s when PCs were mostly on the same level graphically and also ran much of the same software except the audio stuff and some of the video editing software too

>>57031338
NT has a whole was wayyyy worse back then though, you couldn't even run 3.1 on most brand new hardware shipping at the time thanks mostly to absolutely unreal RAM requirements

imagine Windows 10 needing a minimum of 32 GB just to run today

>>57031354
it's not really the architecture that's the problem it's all the software storing dates in a 32-bit value

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>>57031436
>more the late '80s and early '90s
Deluxe Paint was all the rage back then.

Most of the game, cover and movie graphics back then was done on Deluxe Paint till the mid 90's when Macintosh took over because Commodores diminish.
Heck, Photoshop only came out in 1990 and it was nowhere as powerful back then.

>>57031523
digital painting (which Photoshop wasn't designed for) isn't the only field of 2D graphics, and the terrible sales of the Amiga outside of Europe can attest to this, the Macintosh had many other strengths in the 2D arena, namely in desktop publishing where it was pretty much peerless barring aforementioned cost-no-object workstation platforms

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>>57031791
>DTP
Atari ST... Calamus, Papyrus...

Anyone knows how to emulate a windows 98 with a emulator that runs from a pendrive?

I have a win3.1 on a dosbox, but dosbox portable won't go 98.

>>57032184
>dosbox portable won't go 98
It can.

But it's just better to use something like Qemu or VirtualBox.

>>57032045
yes, I'm aware that platforms that better agree with your seemingly contrarian worldview had alternatives, but that doesn't make them inherently better or successful

and wow golly gee if the ST wasn't like the Amiga also an absolute failure outside of Europe where it only succeeded because it was cheaper and excellent for driving MIDI instruments, not desktop publishing where its absolutely ugly horse shit graphical environment alone made it sub-par, not to mention the toyish look-and-feel, lack of software people actually wanted as well as the most important thing of all: the LaserWriter that neatly tied everything together and made the Mac such a compelling platform for small publishers

>>57032265
virtualbox is awesome, have run 95(makes websites interesting), xp, vista and hackintosh snow leopard, cant find my win7 disk, could a dell ship without one? maybe I never had one

>>57032418
Get a torrent.

>>57032426
ya accidently wiped a different win7 off my laptop someone told me if I havnt swapped more then 2 pieces of hardware, itll still install, but the website needs a cd key too download it and my "windows 7 for refurbished pc's" cd key dosnt work

anyways, im too lazy too torrent it, with libra office aor google docs, dont really need office

does cs 1.6 wok on linux?

>>57032488
>does cs 1.6 wok on linux?
Yes. Perfectly even.

>>57032488
>im too lazy too torrent it
http://s1.rg-adguard.net/ms/techbench/dump.html

>>57032522
You still need a serial or activator, just get a pre activated one and you have working update and everything.

>>57032947
How about some UT99?

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>>57033026
>muh gaymes

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Hey /retro/ I'm at the thrift store and they have this for $20, no power cable. Should I get it?

>>57032304
You don't seem to know much about the 80's and Macintosh.

>>57033740
Hell yeah. Also a dock if you can find it.

>>57023955
stale bait

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>>57024715

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>>57032304
What the fuck are you talking about? A failure outside Europe?
Do you know marketshares of these times? Lack of Software? Damn Kid, you can't be serious.
GEM toyish? Not in a single way. Why do you think so? Laserwriter weren't Mac exclusive, they are completely out of context.

>>57032947
Absolutely comfy.

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>>57030687
CNC machines I use on a daily basis still run 3.1 or earlier, some still use DOS, a spare few are using some kind of semi raw UNIX environment.

Not to mention NC's, even in very new machines they mainly run DOS
Fuck, this thing is 2 years old and runs XP Sp3

The Porta Berizzo runs DOS in its terminal

>retro bread
are we talkin' stale or moldy?

>>57034785
if it ain't broke, don't fix it

>>57035101
That's the thing, tech like this will be around, not upgraded, in 20+ years time
Which makes me feel more secure in my future, most people today can't use DOS, I can, and it's gonna be around for some time. There is a reason we still have the Porta, shit just werks

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So I ended up keeping the XT, and I'm playing Monkey Island in EGA with PC speaker sound (I really need a non-PnP sound card).Damn, I forgot how fucking good this game is.

>>57035220
I'm getting nostalgic. My first computer (5170 AT) had an EGA card and I remember those exact colors

>>57035278
>tfw my university had thousands of these, but they all got scrapped in the 90s

>>57023272
Lol mac.

>>57033740
20? Fucking take it mate

>>57033809
took you that long to come back with that limp one-liner?
I'll tell you something too: you're fucking deluded and you need to accept that your favorite childhood gaming platforms weren't the best at everything

>>57034656
what even is that chart supposed to prove? the ST and Amiga barely register, even less so than the Macintosh

>What the fuck are you talking about? A failure outside Europe?
Europe was the strongest market for both the ST (75 fucking percent of systems sold, mostly in Germany) and the Amiga, both of which sold fuck all elsewhere, what are you not understanding?

>Lack of Software? Damn Kid, you can't be serious.
>KID KID KID
where's Justin when you need him
in comparison to the PC and Mac software bases? yes, those systems really did not have a ton of software beyond games and niche killer apps, at least nothing people actually wanted

>GEM toyish? Not in a single way.
have you even used it in the last 20 years? it's fucking garbage, especially on the ST, using my 1040 feels like eye rape with that hideous pastel green

>Laserwriter weren't Mac exclusive, they are completely out of context.
guessing English isn't your first language, is it? because that sentence makes absolutely zero sense.

and yeah, they were, they utilized a Macintosh-exclusive RS-422 interface and networking protocol (AppleTalk/LocalTalk), later models got centronics parallel interfaces as well but not the original line that cemented the Macintosh as the weapon of choice for publishers

>>57035317
>pink floyd
intothetrash.jpg

>>57035317
Whos that semen demon?

>>57035437
A friend of mine who's into retro shit.

>>57033826
>>57035387
Alright, doing it. Couldn't find a dock. Suggestions for what I should do with it?

>>57035571
The only thing that can be done which is take pictures of it doing nothing and jerk off

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>>57036325
this desu

>>57030687
Uh.. yeah, some computers are simply an appliance. Consider for example a call center I once worked at, everything was done on AS/400 server that was on the intranet, none of the PCs with clients had internet, guess the OS?

Microsoft Windows 95.

They didn't even bother to install VGA graphics card, I'd bet with you they're still using the same software today.

>>57036564
An auto repair shop near me uses MS-DOS for literally everything.

>>57037082
This pic has been floating around recently of an autoshop using the same Commodore 64 for 25 years

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>>57037325
But still, they are rare occasions, only the fault of the management of the company.

>>57037082
I would love to see their setup and what software they use.

My mom worked at a place wher they had a custom made DOS solution tailored to their needs there isn't any software out there like it I guarantee it to you, and they were using it up until they could no longer pay her salary in 2014.

There probably are thousands of relic custom software solutions out there that do better job tha anything else built since.

Do any anons here know how into AS/400?

>>57036564
The original argument was that the year 2038 problem would be a sucker, but it's not even true with todays technology, it has far been fixed.

Those who use 22+ year old hardware today as appliances are only a few and nowhere a infrastructure crash if it stopped working suddenly.

>>57035571
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_8uprSar2U

>>57036325
>I have no imagination, just butthurt

>>57035530
>friend
ya blew it mate

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>>57035399
Are you gonna spam furry shit now?

>>57037605
What exactly is the problem with the 2038 date? Surely by then so much of this older hardware will not even turn on. And if it does, unless it is a... payroll/invoicing machine.. all you would have to do is turn the date back by a dozen years?

>>57037643
Read the thread m8

>>57036507
Why did they delete your furry apple pic?

>>57035220
Are you the Spanish dude?
Awesome.

>>57037466
Thanks for the picture I don't know why mine didn't attach.
>only the fault of the management
True but still cool

>>57037639
???

>>57037507
>Do any anons here know how into AS/400?
Had an account here for a while but never did much with it: http://pub400.com/
AS/400s aren't really that old or special to see out in the wild, they're all over the place in retail especially keeping track of inventory or doing other accounting-related stuff.

>>57025772
The upside down 5.25" floppy is triggering me.

>>57035399
You can't really ever argue with a retro shit about the past since they will simply disagree and insert their own history and immediately call you kid.

Similar thing happens when you talk to a vietnam veteran or any war veteran and quote some widely known fact and they go up against it with their misremembered half-history yet at the same time don't remember things like where they were stationed. The fundamental reason why this is done is because they inject some lie in its place and just zone out for the entire conversation. Bringing this back to retro tech garbage,

>have you even used it in the last 20 years?
He will have not on purpose which is the point and in your case he will misremember it as not being a hideous pastel green eye rape and instead remember it as whatever he wants. This is why the computer must firmly stay OFF in its box for ever.

The way to do it is to argue with them in terms of now. What is it used for right now? The point of /retro/ is to blot out current time in the same way they misremember the past and to always conveniently finish this sentence: I got this retro computer so I can, ehhhhh get lost kid. The completion of "ehhhhh get lost kid" in that sentence wants to be "jerk off".

The bonus is when you see new members of this club buy shit at a thrift store and then go out of their way to never ever turn it on so they can misremember it with someone else's inherited memories. I find this behavior positively fascinating.

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>want to use my iMac g3
>don't want to use the shitty puck mouse
>plug in trusty intellimouse
>cursor continuously moves down to the corner
>can't make it stop
>plug in another mouse
>still does it
>try three other mices
>all keep doing it
>plug in Apple© MightyMouse™
>shitwerks
>mfw

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>>57038287
>don't want to use the puck mouse
>use the cuck mouse instead

>>57035399
>>57038039

Nice shitpost.

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>>57038039
I don't know what's the point of your posts but if the contents of them is not true then your shitpost does just not work Justin...

I know you're going for the "You know what I'm saying is true" thing to make people feel like shit without even calling them out, but that only works if you hit the nail on the head, I can't relate to anything you post.

>>57038353
>calling people Justin because you're retarded
that's low man even for a nostalgic europoor

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Sorry for the bad picture quality, but here's my AOE 2 machine. Runs Windows 98 like a champ, although I do get some frames/sec lag when there's a lot of troops in one spot or in a battle.

>>57038411
Kek, I just finished a Pentium MMX shitbox for glide games.

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>>57038388
>I don't know what's the point of your posts but if the contents of them is not true then your shitpost does just not work Justin...
>what is a (You)-algorithm
Have you even graduated from the tip of the shithposting iceberg?

>>57038447
No, because I'm not a /b/ tard level retard.
I don't spend my lifeless life behind my computer shitposting to make myself feel some amusement.

>>57038473
>being this buttblasted
This is why Justin is a thing and these threads are shit
>>>/vr/

>>57038500
The fact that you get the idea of other people being buttblasted about people who have nothing better to do then shitpost directly reflects your ideology.
We are just having a laugh over them.

>>57030804
That can't be healthy

>>57038588
Neather are drugs, but they are still awesome

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>>57038411
aoe2 is not really defensible playing on le shitbox faec when you have the modern patches for it, best features are competent AI, any resolution support including multimonitor which was great on 5760x1080, and 1000 unit limits.

>>57038411
>Dell
>Windows 98
>Age of Empires
gold

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>>57038545
>fucking no-life /b/tards fuck shit cock fuck
>I-I'm just having a laugh
Whatever helps you sleep at night, friendo. Sounds pretty buttblasted to me.
>>>/vr/

>>57038724
>getting this butthurt when being told

>>57038724
Sure seems to me someone actually is buttblasted. :^)

>>57038724
We don't want to come to /vr/

Best Modern day Pc that runs windows?

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>>57038829
>not using an open source free operating system

>>57038752
>>57038754
:^)
>>57038761
But you belong there with the rest of the angry old people, my friend.

>>57038911
You sure showed them m8!
Do we raid the thread with porn now because they are against our views?

>>57038944
Kek

>>57038944
If you want to post porn so bad then do it, nobody's stopping you :^)

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>>57024299
I would say hyper card, MS Office, some terminal emulators, THINK C and even A/UX for teachers and researchers at big colleges. A/UX was a unix operating system that let you run mac programs in an emulated environment and unix. The painting software was a big deal too back then. Apple in the 90's gave you sherlock and the apple super drive let you bring your work from the office on an IBM machine home with 100% compatibility. For the kid's there was the SIM's and Carmen Sandiego, but if you had your own computer back in 85's-90 you have just asked for an apple 2 c.
http://www.mactech.com/articles/mactech/Vol.05/05.10/ThinkCTutor/index.html

>tfw the only machines i am nostalgic for are PPC macs
They are fun i guess. Almost installed gentoo on my iBook but i got drunk while it was compiling and tripped over the power cable so i just cloned on Tiger. Still need to get a keyboard for the little housefire.

>>57038962
But you're going to help, right?
We faggots who hate people who like things we don't have to stick together!

>>57039004
>>57038962
>>57038944
>>57038911
Fuck off. You are the ones ruining these threads.

>>57032947
redpill me on eATX cases /g/

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>>57038993
They are fun.
More of a 68k Mac guy myself. But I have a few multi boots on PPC Macs of mine. No Gentoo sadly, just Debian.

>>57038991
>A/UX was a unix operating system that let you run mac programs in an emulated environment and unix.
Actually the A/UX kernel was running alongside MacOS on the system level.

>>57039020
Yeah, i tried to install Debian on it too and the login screen would work and then it would crash completely. I dont give enough of a fuck to troubleshoot and TenFourFox exists for shitposting.

I have a mini vga adapter on the way for it so I might just run it headless for a bit.

>>57039018
They are big.
You're welcome.

>>57039051
I also have MorphOS/Tiger dual boot on my iBook

>>57038761
>>57038911
>>57038944
they won't go to /vr/ for the same reason pony shits won't go to /mlp/; the entire POINT is to post it out of place to get attention.

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>>57039066
>/vr/ - Retro Games
>not a single post about games on this thread that qualify for /vr/

shitposting only works if it's true

>>57039066
Nah, there's nothing wrong with retro shit on /g/, it's the people who keep giving Justin serious (You)s and thus eating shit straight from his hands that need to fuck off to /vr/ with the rest of the bitter geriatrics.

>>57039096
nobody has taken him seriously since the second thread he reposted his bait

>>57039038
I never actually used it NOR do I even know how to install it, etc. I do however watch the Computer Chronicles, which is where I learned about it.

>>57035317
>I love you more than anything in the world
the feels man... the feels...

>>57039218
Yeah, it was a pretty complicated clusterfuck but lots of fun to mess with.

>>57039224
He actually likes her lots, just fucked up his chances with her.

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>>57039252
>tfw tried to go to aux-penelope to look it up
F

If I remember right it wasn't too hard to install, it's just picking hardware that works with it that was the annoying part.

>>57039284
>follow-up blog
Looks like there's a full mirror here in case anyone gives a fuck:
https://archive.org/download/aux-penelope

>>57039284
You need the install CD and floppy, make a MacOS 7 boot partition and another partition for the Unix rootfs and the installer will do the rest.

Works with most Quadra machines out of the box.

>>57039304
not him, but whats a good (cheap) system 7 mac to get off ebay?

>>57039303
Also here
https://winworldpc.com/product/a-ux/3x

>>57039319
Anything Centris/Quadra

>>57039319
Holy shit, I just checked eBay to see something to recommend you.

Keep away from eBay, the prices are ridiculous!

There are freaking motherboards going for 70 bucks alone, that's the price of a system with peripherals and monitor.

>>57039320
Oh, I was talking about the website, not just the OS images. It was a great resource for all things A/UX.

>>57039529
>>57039303

Here, better than archive.org version

http://auxhost.byethost24.com/

>>57039086
>>>/vr/ fuck off

>>57040018
No.

>>57040018
>>57040089
what a shocker

>>57040205
Literal toaster

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>>57040219
Sorry, it's not.
This is.

Literary literal toaster

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>>57040219
that's not a toaster, this is

>>57040205
>gpu housefire throttling
>wrong fan in push-pull configuration
>blowing in hot air from the cpu radiator into the case straight onto the gpus
>no more additional cooling in the case

wew lad, didn't think any better of an idiot who would come up with an idea like that

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>>57035399
>Europe was the strongest market for both the ST (75 fucking percent of systems sold, mostly in Germany)
75% sold in Europe and worldwide nearly the same market share as the Mac. You can also read it as the Mac was a total failure outside the US.
>yes, those systems really did not have a ton of software beyond games and niche killer apps, at least nothing people actually wanted
No, the software wasn't the problem. Both (Amiga and ST/TT) had a big and really broad software base.
>have you even used it in the last 20 years? it's fucking garbage, especially on the ST, using my 1040 feels like eye rape with that hideous pastel green
Not him but i use it frequently. It's your failure if you use it only with gaming resolution. Just get a SM124 and go with monochrome - great resolution for the time, good handling and nothing childish.
>and yeah, they were
I think he meant laser printer in general. Apple wasn't the only one with laser printer available. (Atari for example had the SLM)

>>57040453
He's just a Mac fanboi.
Nice info on the Atari tho.

>>57040546
fuck
think about it
porn on cassette tapes

>>57039456
old news

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Hey retro /g/, is there any known way to bring DOS to a Sharp Font Writer FW 700?
They go for cheap and it would be fantastic.

For what i've seen, the used Software is DOS based. Is it possible to bypass the ROM and boot from floppy?

>>57040840
Probably, if you mod the ROM to boot from floppy.
Also, I'm not sure they where x86 and had tiny amount of RAM and just ROM, floppy only for storage then.

>>57040891
Hm... Sharp cloned Z80 for the GameBoy, maybe it's some of this kind.
Damn, now I'm even more interested...

>>57041025
Then it would be cool with Z80 BASIC

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Can I get into the cool kids club now?

>>57041162
Yes, but please don't frighten us with your voodoo.

>>57041276
Alright, I'll use my Real-time Interactive Video and Animation accelerator TwiN Texel 2 instead

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>>57041068

>>57041299
Damn, you use voodoo and TNT in the same room? BADMOTHERFUCKINGASS!!!

>>57041330
Not just in the same room.
In the same fucking case!

>>57041356
GUD GOD!!!
I'm glad to see you are using an ISO keyboard. FBI, NSA, CIA, Homeland Security, CSI, NCIS and motherfucking Jehovah's Witnesses would constantly storm your front door.

>>57041454
ISO keyboards are pretty standard here.

>>57041501
Looks finnish to me, am i right?
Mine is german. I can't understand why americans prefer shitty ANSI.

>>57041556
Standards

>>57041556
You are right

>>57023695

wew lad

>>57041927
holy shit, tripfag overload

>>57041927
dark souls is not an hard game

>>57039456
>>57039319
100% your fault. They are overpriced due to hipster inflation and putting value into it.

>>57042059
expect it since you're encouraging this sort of thread to be a "cool kids club" and you can't be in a club without a name

>>57041330
>>57041454
>>57041356
>reddit

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>>57042497
You forgot your name, faggot

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>>57042497
>reddit
this. If you want to have fun, join reddit. 4chink is serious business.

>>57042725
Agree, shitpost or bust, this ain't reddit fags

>>57042705
You forgot your counter argument

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>>57042853

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>>57042861

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>>57041641
If the standard is shit, you need a new one.

>>57042951
I'm happy with it.

>>57042861
>average smug response from a intelligent anon
>>57042901
>typical response from shitposting crybaby

>>57043035
Kek.

>>57043035
Just ignore them, at least they are bumping the thread.

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So I heard this Justin shitposter is a failed retro fag himself? Can he please step forward and give us an insight? Genuinely curious.

>>57023220
who 486DX here. So fucking comfy on my bbs's with my 56k USRobotics

>>57043309
486SX and 486DX4 here.
Comfy with broadband wifi.

>>57043382
but you ruined ansi animation. Not gunna do it. woudlnt be prudent.

>>57043440
Nope, the connection is at the speed of dial-up, real old 16bit wifi card.

>>57043469
no comfy connect sounds. and I like running a local dialup bbs for fun.

>>57043489
Do you seriously link two modems together locally?

>>57043519
no I just have a dialup bbs that gets a few users on it. I just said local because they are locals in the area. I dont really want to advertise it on the internet. kills the whole bbs idea to me.

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>>57040840
I'm investigating a similar machine (also has floppy drive with loadable software). The cpu appears to be a custom freescale chip of some kind (SC prefix seems to indicate this). $1 at thrift store of course.

>>57023268
>>57023261
I am certain I masturbated to these pictures.

>>57043746
A computer typewriter combo? Fantastic. Can you use it as a terminal?

>>57043873
its the original word processor.

>>57043873
Unfortunately it has no serial port. If I can find out more on the chips, adding serial is high on my list.

>>57040453
>75% sold in Europe and worldwide nearly the same market share as the Mac. You can also read it as the Mac was a total failure outside the US.
maybe, but that's not really a fair comparison, the post-Jobs Mac wasn't designed to directly compete with affordable consumer systems like the ST and Amiga, it was deliberately niche, and very expensive

I would argue that the ST and Amiga were different in this way, they were meant for the masses, yet your own chart tells us, the masses clearly weren't buying them

>No, the software wasn't the problem. Both (Amiga and ST/TT) had a big and really broad software base.
actually you're right, a bit misspoken on my side, especially with the ST that did find itself in a lot of professional settings across the pond
>It's your failure if you use it only with gaming resolution.
not really sure which alternate resolution you're suggesting, because even the "high resolution" mode on this thing is just plain ghastly, stretching everything horizontally and still making extremely poor use of available screen real estate (just look at your own image you posted)
>Just get a SM124 and go with monochrome
yeah good luck
in my 10 years of collecting this shit I've seen exactly one ST ever, and it's mine
>I think he meant laser printer in general. Apple wasn't the only one with laser printer available. (Atari for example had the SLM)
it was postscript and built-in networking that made the laserwriter so successful, not just the fact that it was a laser printer (everyone and their dog had one out by then)

let's just agree to disagree at this point, I don't really mean to shit on the ST, I still bought one after all and I respect it for what is, but honestly, I just simply cannot see myself doing any kind of textual work on that thing

>>57040482
>you don't worship what I worship so you must be a fanboy
not really, I just have more experience with (and appreciation for) them because they're plentiful

>>57023938
<3<3<3

>>57043519
>not linking two modems together locally
I kind of want to build a phone line simulator just to try it, would probably be a good autism-friendly solution for file transfers too

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>>57044001
I refered to the high resolution. It's only available on a monochrome monitor. What you mean is the medium resolution, which in fact is shit.
High resolution is 640x400. This was enormous. In combination with the razor sharp monochrome monitor SM124 it was perfect for jobs like text processing, CAD or DTP.
It you need a SM124, I have 3 of them. (But I'm in Germany)
The SLM was also PostScript compatible.
There is a reason why people called it the Jackintosh. It was comparable in many points.

>>57045171
>I refered to the high resolution. It's only available on a monochrome monitor. What you mean is the medium resolution, which in fact is shit.
should have figured, can't imagine I'll come across one here though, at least I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it

>The SLM was also PostScript compatible.
it was a much later product though

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>>57046782
Bumping with some retro tech.

>>57035317
>spinard
>rotten butter face
nah man

>>57044574
You just link two modems together, there's nothing more to that, no magical "phone line simulator".

>>57043833
When? Where?

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>>57023220
I have an old compaq presario laptop that runs windows 98

too afraid to take it online

>>57044001
>in my 10 years of collecting this shit I've seen exactly one ST ever, and it's mine
How is that fucking possible....

>>57047174
Why?

>>57047174
But it's an internet pc anon.

>>57047230
>collector
>i jerk at my machines but am into it more because muh hipster shit, i don't really look for them but buy them for ridiculous money when i see one because it's the cool thing to do
do I need to say more?

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retro /g/?

>>57047492
too new for my tastes

>>57046915
So fucking jelly.
>>57047150
I'm pretty sure you weren't there. But it would have been in Oregon, between the years of 1986 and 1992, since you ask.

>>57047624
>I'm pretty sure you weren't there. But it would have been in Oregon, between the years of 1986 and 1992, since you ask.
But that demo is only a few years old... Also, that's Silvia Saint, she was like 10-16 between the years you mentioned.

>>57047536
It's like 2004 all over again

>>57047138
but there is
http://www.telephonetribute.com/telco_line_simulators.html

I don't think you can properly connect two systems together just using a straight modem-modem connection with a regular phone cable, have you tried it?

>>57047230
like I said they sold fuck all in the states, people here were buying PC clones by then, and the brand image of Atari as a gaming company probably didn't really help them out in that regard either

>>57047282
why are you so upset? next ST see at the recycler I'll let go straight to the crusher just for you

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>>57048174
>next ST see at the recycler I'll let go straight to the crusher
NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

Apropos Atari ST... Is there any GEM-like DE for linux out there?

>>57047796
Well, shit, now I've been fact-checked on my spanking history. I tip my hat to you.

But now I need to see if I can locate the C64 porn I *did* jack it to. I had two or three floppies I kept hidden in my closet, which, oh my god I just realized my mom donated it all to a battered women's shelter when I went to college.

>>57048174
>why are you so upset? next ST see at the recycler I'll let go straight to the crusher just for you
Lol, thanks for proving my point, I don't give a shit about your luddite garbage

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Not visited /g/ for a while. Is it ded?

>>57048373
>Well, shit, now I've been fact-checked on my spanking history. I tip my hat to you.
you are on 4chan you know

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>>57048403
>it's Justin
oh how silly of me
carry on then

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>>57048411

>>57048437
>i genuinely like old retro hardware
>next one will go to the crusher just because i'm a retard
Didn't hope better

>>57048489
but collectors are cancer, anon, and to not do that would be, well, collecting

isn't that what you wanted?

>>57048533
collectors are cancer in the retro community
collectors only buy, lack knowledge and just box and fap
actual retro enthusiasts hate collectors

you seem to be neither, but just retarded

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>>57048649
Bullshit. Real retro enthusiasts are thankful for every machine that could be saved from the crusher. Of course it's not the optimal case if it's packed into the box and mothballed. But still better than scrapped.

>>57048649
just like "retro enthusiasts" are brainless hipsters and luddites that won't let go of their childhood, right? what a bunch of bitter, whiny bullshit assumptions

>>57048811
>>57048869
so you are defending the people who buy those machines in masses, make them ridiculously high in prices on the market, hoard all the machines and parts, so you can't buy one even if you wanted to or need a part, the people who make the guys who actually enjoy and use their machines seem like hipsters in the eyes of others?

>>57048102
Sorry, I didn't mean to say there isn't, but there isn't needed, I remember those switching centers in a box.

Yes I have. Google it.
You only need the phone line simulator for dialing, everything else is handled between the modems. Some modems might not work of course, some require power on the phone line, etc.

I think latter hardmodems and most softmodems work.

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>>57048949
That's not collecting, that's speculating on the market. Not nice but still better than scrapped.

>>57049058
no, those are exactly the collectors everybody is talking about, they have several of every unit on their shelves in boxes, don't give a crap about prices and laugh over others

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>>57049081
And how exactly is it worse than several of every unit scrapped?

>>57049155
because those machines where meant to be used
instead they are shelved somewhere and you in your lifetime, who would actually mess around with them, will never get your hands on them, because they won't sell them
there are already shittons boxed in museums for future generations to see, but someone keeping several machines in their shelves in boxes to take pictures from time to time and does not actually give a shit about them, that won't benefit you
I thought you where about using those machines? guess it's right that you are the kind of people who just circlejerk and collect

>>57032947
>that cd burner
>that front panel
>that creative labs soundblaster front panel
>that intellimouse

>>57049058
>>57049155
>scrapped

>>57048174
>next ST see at the recycler I'll let go straight to the crusher

welcome to /g/retro/

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>>57049208
Nah, I used most of my machines productive. The others just for games and giggles when they where new. And I still use them frequently. Also my kids use it frequently.
But I still prefer a machine in a box over a machine in the trash.

>>57048949
>>57049081
those are resellers and speculators, not collectors you daft tool
nobody who calls themselves a collector is doing this shit, hell I've personally literally never sold a single piece of retro tech, though I've traded or given some away as long as they go to good homes that won't destroy them

most of us end up hoarding shit because it's do-or-die, if I don't jump on something immediately it's gone forever, some of it does go in long-term storage because you know what I would rather devote my limited desk space to my good examples rather than some destitute parts shitbox or a limp 8-bit with no software, but I still think that shit is worth preserving and I'm very happy to have an example of it when I do want to use it

>>57049208
>because those machines where meant to be used
and so if someone isn't using them constantly they should be destroyed forever...? that's extremely childish
>instead they are shelved somewhere and you in your lifetime, who would actually mess around with them, will never get your hands on them
and so again... because you (may) never own it, nobody can??
>there are already shittons boxed in museums for future generations to see
that's absolutely false in the blanket sense, and even in cases where it is true, the idea that one extra surviving example is somehow a bad thing because it isn't YOURS is absolutely ludicrous
>take pictures from time to time and does not actually give a shit about them, that won't benefit you
so again... they should be destroyed?? what even qualifies as "giving a shit", and how do you know they don't?

your retarded assumptions besides, your entire argument reads like some whiny, jealous child's temper tantrum

>>57049349
Not him but, I don't fully agree, you don't seem to know many "collectors".

I have "contacts" with who I compete, who just buy a machine, any retro machine, make pictures of them for their "website" and then box it to never use it again, you can't even have a conversation about those machines with them, because they don't really know or care. But they call themselves collectors.

It sucks because many of those machines I would have loved to play with, but they just raised the prices of them so ridiculously high, I could not afford it. Even when I do, I could have gotten the machine for sometimes 10 times less, before they jumped in and started competing.

But I agree, better a machine in a box then in a landfill.

>>57049524
>Not him but, I don't fully agree, you don't seem to know many "collectors".
maybe not, I have a couple friends far away who also have quite the tech hoards, none of us really fit that description, most of the other collectors I know from my time spent around the antique business collect different things, they don't really fit that description either bar a few shitheads here and there who are only in it because the history channel told them it was a money maker

>I have "contacts" with who I compete, who just buy a machine, any retro machine, make pictures of them for their "website" and then box it to never use it again, you can't even have a conversation about those machines with them, because they don't really know or care. But they call themselves collectors.
that's pretty retarded, but it's not all of them, maybe I can't speak for others but other than the aforementioned desire for preservation, I do genuinely enjoy being able to mess with such a wide variety of platforms and period examples when I want to, and learning more about them, probably couldn't give you an impressive unique elevator speech for every generic pentium clone shitbox or 2000s laptop but I like to think I can try and talk a good game, I get pretty autistic on my shit

>It sucks because many of those machines I would have loved to play with, but they just raised the prices of them so ridiculously high, I could not afford it. Even when I do, I could have gotten the machine for sometimes 10 times less, before they jumped in and started competing.
that really sucks, but again, know that not everyone with a lot of hardware is this way
90% of my gear was under $10 and acquired from recycle pallets or thrift store backrooms where it never had a chance of seeing the light of day, though I do occasionally pay more for particularly rare/special systems that aren't likely to show up again

>>57024687

>Microsoft killed the online Encarta

I guess I'll look for an iso

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>>57026370

Now that is some A E S T H E T I C gear son!

>>57049524
Retro isn't for poorfags

>>57050780
yes it is
t: poorfag

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>>57051208
Tell me about how many NeXT Cubes you own...

>>57051293
NeXT is a pretty special case though, most retro shit isn't nearly that expensive

if that's yours you should blog about it, I want to pay out the ass for a NeXT unironically but I'd like to actually be able to use it for something rather than having a $600 doorstop that just looks nice

>>57051363
>most retro shit isn't nearly that expensive

>>57039456

>>57051376
ebay isn't the only place for old tech though, just the most consistently reliable one
there's forums, thrift stores, recyclers, surplus shops, craigslist, yard sales, estate sales, local auctions, it all depends on where you live

I got a pretty lucky contact with my local thrift store chain and I can get whatever the fuck I want for $5 flat ($2 for laptops) off of their back room recycling pallet, I've had pretty luck scoring old 8-bit hardware for under $25 from local auctions too

>>57051443
what do you have?

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>>57051538
Hardware? I've gotten all kinds of shit from there over the years

This is one of my faves, was a web server for a weirdo 3-letter domain for a while in the '90s and then presumably became the site owner's DD until around 2000.

>>57051621
That's interesting indeed

>>57051621
any non-x86 stuff?

>>57051734
68k/PPC Macs here and there (got a fucking chipped IIfx but it needs new batteries and a hard drive), most exotic was a loaded Ultra 5 with a SunPCi and everything I got way back

>>57051792
I want to chipp my Mac but finding the right oscillator is a pain in the butt.

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This was a nice thread guys.

Thanks everybody for contributing, thanks to Justin for keeping the shit flowing.