/tpg/ - ThinkPad General (24 years of ThinkPad edition)

Thinking about buying this battery

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/9Cell-UK-Battery-for-LENOVO-FRU-42T4694-42T4696-ThinkPad-X201-X201i-X200-10-8V-/131060728961?hash=item1e83d40481:g:DnQAAOSw5ZBWFxcX

Do you guys think it will be a good one or will it be a shit chinese one?

Thoughts on this?

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Lenovo-Thinkpad-T430s-Laptop-i5-3rd-Gen-2-6Ghz-4GB-320Gb-HDD-Win-7-Webcam-Laptop-/122148298305

Seems cheap, for what it is.

Is the X220 mSATA slot SATA II or III?

>>56972919
T420 is SATA2, probably the x220 has SATA2 too.

It's not like you'll notice it in daily usage anyway.

>>56972957
>It's not like you'll notice it in daily usage anyway
No, I'm sure you do, since random 4kB access is affected by SATA revisions. And mSATA drives are more expensive (why?) than normal SATA, and also use more power (again, why?). My slots are both empty, so no reason to gimp myself.

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Anyone interested in making a frankenpad from a no-trackpad R61e 15.4" should check out ebay. $19.99 + shipping with ac adapter and machine is complete, even if it is 512mb and celeron. You can flash middleton bios and then put in a nice C2D CPU and more ram. Plus 15.4" = you can add up to a 1920x1200 display.

>>56973261

t420 with a 512gb 850 mSATA and 2TB HD and 16gb RAM here. It is not too far behind my i3 6100 machine.

On an x230 with a new 9 cell with windows 7 / IPS / 256gb Kingston SSD, only getting 6 hours instead of the 9+ everyone else seems to be getting when doing light browsing. I'm idling at 12/13w, anyone else having a similar experience?

How bad of a deal is the newegg x220 on ebay? Ohter 3rd party sellers always seem so sketchy.

>>56972184
Hope you guys can help me out here.

For the longest times, I've used pic related (Toshiba R400 Portege) as a laptop. I was completely in love with its design and it's tablet conversion thing. It carried out its duty amazingly well until almost a year ago when the CPU just shat itself and stopped processing anything at all (Basic text editing would take 100% CPU for no reason and installing a new OS was practically impossible). I never managed to fix it and ended up throwing it away.

I've been switching portable devices a lot and finally I feel like I want to settle for a Thinkpad with Linux on it. And I recently came across the Thinkpad x220t, which has the exact same tablet conversion thing, which I loved so much.

However, I'm worried about its size. I really enjoy having a large, or at least, a medium sized screen, and I'm afraid it might be too small.

Do you easily get used to it, or is it going to drive me crazy? Because I can just get a larger model if so.

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>>56973783
Forgot to attach pic, whoops.

Realistic expectations of a 9cell in an X220T?

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Got a T420 but looks like the seller removed the original stickers and it has pic related which are noticeable and trigger my autism.

How can i remove these spots? I'd rather avoid spending $38 for a new palmrest.

>>56974126
it's a thinkpad
who cares?
I put a large freedum sticker there

>>56973943
a 90% cap Lenovo 6 cell gives me six hours on shitdows for the X230 on medium brightness

>>56974345
Thanks! Theres one or two on ebay im looikng at

>>56974399
just be careful
purchasing batteries is a pretty shitty experience

I would worry about whether it's Lenovo and how much capacity is left. Most sellers are reluctant or don't care to provide capacity info so it's a gamble. Don't trust anything "refurbished". 9cells claiming they're new are probably going to cost you a lot, especially for a model that old.

tl;dr getting batteries is a fucking pain

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What is the cheapest 17" thinkpad, Dell, Toshiba satellite, or whatever (preferably thinkpad) that can play 1080p video? Preferably under $100. All it has to do is play 1080p video.

Opinions on the t460? I know a guy that gets dirt cheap deals on new and refurbished laptops.

>>56973261
You don't. SATA 2 SSD is still way faster than spinning rust especially on access time. You get a shitload of benefit from it still.

No it's not as fast as SATA 3 or NVME and shit but it still cures long boot times and system slowness after login

Is it just better to buy a used old IBM thinkpad or early lenovo or fork over the cash for a brand new one? Because I'm worried about all these lock downs lenovo has on their newer systems

>>56975181
you don't buy shitpads new

i feel like one of those chink shit guys. waiting on my fucking x62 to ship.

>>56976137
pls post pics + review when it arrives. Last I heard though they just finished their first batch and none of the reddit people are included in that first batch.

>>56974331
>who cares?
my autismal ocd does

>>56976507
>reddit people
Huh, what people?

I just got my x230 this week and it's been suddenly turning off. It's otherwise in perfect condition, and temps are cool.

What should I do? Return to seller? I don't really want to be out shipping costs

>>56973526
Literally what is the logic of leaving out a trackpad on a laptop that clearly has enough room to accommodate it? Don't get me wrong, I love the trackpoint. but still.

>>56974126
If all else fails, you could just carbon fiber wrap it. That's what I did because there was a shitty sticker that left a ton of residue on mine.

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sup /tpg/, im looking at buying an x61 soon for some on the go use, how long does a brand new (8cell is the biggest battery you can get for an x61 right?) last? I'm planning on using windows with a Linux OS in dual boot on an ssd, mostly windows but if all the tablet functions work fine in Linux (auto rotate and the buttons and etc) then I'll probably use linux main os and no windows, anyways back to main point: how long does the battery last on like 50% brightness with wi-fi on? (wirelessly tethered to phone)

>>56976831
Recharge the battery.

>>56977032
I've tried detergent, soap and isopropyl alcohol without success.

Got a pic of the carbon fiber skin? Maybe I'll have to do that as well.

Still waiting on those Retro updates :C

Hill just made a youtube account for some promo/presentations.
Can someone id the pad he has here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rX2b9N9Iag

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I don't own a notebook right now, and don't really need one either. But I kind of want to get used to spending more time in Unix, so I'm tempted by this one:

x220
i5
8GB
256GB SSD
Refurbished

for 300 Eurobucks.

It's not a lot of money for a decent laptop, but if it's going to annoy me during daily usage due to its age or lack of power I'd rather spend thrice that and get an XPS 13.

Anyway, how is that offer in general? Worth it? Europe is kinda fucked in regards to Thinkpad pricing.

>>56977096
300€ for x220+ssd is worth it in my books, I managed to get an x220 for 260€ so getting one with an ssd for just 40€ more is great, and yes Europe is seriously fucked with thinkpad prices.

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So does my ThinkPad have a fingerprint reader or what? What's the point of this thing?

>>56977560
No, it had the option for one, but the plastic plug means you don't

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So what kind of drives can you faggots fit in your thinkpads? 2.5" with 9mm height or can you go bigger? Someone just answer me please, this is for the W520.

Any recommended drives? I'm looking for something 2-4tb.

>>56977730
Depends on the TP, of course, but usually on m2 and one SATA.
And for fucks sake, just get an SSD. There is nothing that speeds up your computer like an SSD. I'd rather go down to 4 gigs of ram or the i3 instead of having no SSD.

>>56977757
For fucks sake I already got a 500 gb mSATA drive coming in I just wanted to know about the regular drives.

>>56977058
This happens while the battery is charged ... and other people have reported the same problem while plugged in

want to stuff my thinkpad full of battery
>9 cell
>slice
>ultrabay battery
a: can it handle all three at once, and
b: where is the best place to buy genuine batteries (im brit)

I have a mint i5 X220 running Arch, but i'd like a larger screen and resolution. Im considering a T420 i7 or T430 i5 with the 1600x900 resolution. I think I'd manage with the chiclet keyboard on the 30 but is it worth the extra money?

t420
i5 2520m
4 gb ram
160gb hdd
1600x900 screen

130€

it states it has both intel hd 3000 and nvidia nvs 4200m, which is impossible right? Gonna contact him to clear that up

does it look fishy to you guys at this price?

vimium or vimperator?

>>56978281
vimium is for chromium, if you meant vimfx for firefox then use vimfx

Sup /g/

Just bought a x220, but the battery is totally fucked up, it last less than 15 minutes unplugged. (the description said battery holding charge and last two hours). I paid 180 dollars for this. Is it a good deal or must i ask a repay ?

Would a C2D thinkpad hold up web browsing and 720p html5 video?

>>56978728
X200 to be exact

>>56978752
X200 is literally fine. I used it as a daily driver for half a year with 0 issues.
Hell I was basic 3DCG with it.

>>56978781
In addition to this - I ended up recommending it to a friend who wanted a very cheap laptop, they had windows 10 installed and were using it for MS word and shit fine too.

should i upgrade my windows 7 pro to windows 10 on my x220? or should I just upgrade to reserve the key and go back to 7?

>>56978927
if you want windows 10 try the ltsb isos

>>56977013
trackpads are a consumer meme, not actually good compared to a trackpoint in 99% of occasions.

>>56974345
How the fuck are you getting 6 hours on a 6 cell with windows? I'm struggling to get that on a new 9 cell.

My t420 arrived yesterday.
I was going to install debian on it but ran into some truble with my wifi.

Are you usin linux on your thinkpad?
If yes wich distrebution and why?

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>>56979614
I don't know why people come into this general with the assumption that there's some kind of "ThinkPad distro".
Debian probably gives you a headache with wireless because of Intel card firmware, which you probably need to get from contrib/non-free. If you're looking for a batteries-included distro try anything from Ubanto to /me tips Fedora, even Mint.

>>56979665
Alright, thx ill look into it

anyone have experience with dell precision 3000 and 7000 series laptops here ? particularly with their awful BIOSes ?

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>>56972184
i got a t42 for free ...what do ??

>>56979788
turn it on it's side, run prime 95 on it, sit around it with your family, with marshmallows

>>56979788
put a meme os like openbsd, netbsd, 9front on it

>>56979788
i got a precision 3510 for free :) watdo ?

>>56976831
>>56977058
>>56977834
My T420 had an issue with the second RAM.
Since I removed it and downgraded to single 4 GB it just werks

>>56978257
What is Optimus?

>>56979813
commit sucicde

>>56979861
Nvidia switchable graphics tech, switches the graphics adaptor to the dGPU when needed and Intel when it's not. Still keeps the dGPU on tho draining battery so I personally turn mine off in the BIOS and switch it when I need it

>>56979788
Time for some Arch Linux with a lightweight tiling WM

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I had a fucked up dream, /tpg/

I ordered a 'Grade B' X201 (in real life; delivery is due on Monday) and it arrived (in my dream). It was fucking beaten up, scratches, smudges, missing keys and even part of the screen was missing - one corner of the display had its frame broken off.

I was like "WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS? I'M RETURNING THIS SHIT STRAIGHT AWAY!"

What does it mean, bros? Probably just my brain projecting my worries....

>>56980287
I had a dream once that lenovo made a t520 with the hinge from the X220t

I still want one though.

>>56978728
No, get an X201 at least for that.

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An HP elitebook 8470p. This for 80€.
i5 3320m
Intel hd4000
4gb ram (have another 4gb on hand to make it 8gb)
500gb 7200rpm hdd
Cracked screen (a new 900p screen is 40€)
Usb3.0, display port, vga, esata, expresscard port, etc etc

So, a total of 120€ for this laptop.

What is the most current guide on dual booting hackintosh and Windows on a T420?

I know I need a different wifi card but I have a dock plugged into ethernet so I just want to try it.

>>56981006
I can't stand those keyboards or "trackpoints". I hope you fair better.

>>56981042
I already have a x230, this is for the gf.

>>56981129
Ah, most people don't care about that shit, she'll probably love it.

>>56981006
Nice laptop, although its software is really shitty. To make the fingerprint reader work properly you need to install a bloated security suite (ProtectTools or HP Client Security) unlike Lenovo or Dell, where you only need 1 program to do the same thing.

>>56978144

A lot of T420's come with 1600x900 as well.

>>56978660

Ask a repay. Third-party batteries are shit and original lenovo ones cost like $90.

>>56981469
What are some usecases for the fingerprint reader? I really never saw much use in them, and I already have/had some hardware with them.

>>56981510

I know, I meant a T420 with 1600x900 or T430 with 1600x900. I was wondering if it would be worth it to get a 30 over the 20

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just pulled the trigger on this nigger
$400, though closer to 500 after tax and shipping
>description mentions USB 3 ports even though the t520 didn't have any.
it is refurbished so ill see when I get it.

Is there any hope for modern lenovo products?

>>56981678
not with Lenovo at the helm
idk why IBM ever sold their laptop division.

they could have become the true Anti-Macbook

>>56981693

Simple......Legend QDI offered IBM the right amount of money for it.

>>56981876
I just wish these Orientals would get their heads out of their asses and be a respectable business, its about time the Chinese smarten up and improve their image like the Japs did.

>>56981635

I see. It depends on how much extra it costs and what your preferences are. There are basically three notable differences:

The keyboard -
Most of the fuss about the keyboard is because of the different layout, it has very similar mechanics to the T420's keyboard so it's still very comfortable to type on. The T420's layout is generally considered better so it's up to you to compare it to the other advantages.

The processor -
The T430 has the 3rd generation i-series processor. The difference in performance is small, but the new one consumes less power.
It also comes with HD4000 graphics instead of HD3000, which is quite a step up. It's still only good for light gaming but you can expect a 10-20 fps increase. Both will handle 1080p video just fine.

USB 3.0 -
The T420 only has USB 2.0 ports, so if you have to transfer a lot of data from and to your laptop, the T430 might be preferable.

>>56981614
The best use I've found for it is booting your computer and logging in automatically while you go take a piss or get a drink.

>>56982013
Thanks, that helped :)

>>56979788
Lubuntu will run on it, it does on my T43. You can also pick a not obese distro for it like debian or arch and throw LXDE or whatever standalone window manager on it and it'll be fine for 4chan and youtube if you don't mind using mpv.

is there a certain offlease period when you can expect certain models of Thinkpads to flood the used market? (like after X years around these months, a bunch of a certain model become abundant on the market)

>>56979371
no idea, it's stock windows 10 with control panel power settings and a genuine 90% capacity 6 cell on an X230T. I didn't do anything to it besides keeping brightness at 50-70% and having typical defaults

Older processors consume more power but the difference between newer generations of laptops should be negligible

>>56980287
I had a dream once that Gookovo didn't fuck the entire Thinkpad line up

Anyone know where I can buy a replacement middle mouse button for the X220? Preferable from the UK, only other option seems to be a new keyboard which is overkill as I just need one button

>>56974555
bump

>>56972184
>speaking to one of my friends on normiebook
>he found an x220 running arch in a bag left on the bus
which one of you fucks was this?

>>56974126
wd40 and some scrubbing

>>56981958

I had a couple of computers with QDI Legend Motherboards........they were fantastic.

>>56983080
Tried WD40 with a microfiber cloth, didn't work.

fug

>>56983080
Does this really work?

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Where were you when Asus made a ThinkPad?

>>56984602
I'm interested.

>>56984602
I'm interested but that keyboard looks like the same shit they put on their typical consumer 1366x768 laptops which is awful.

>>56984602
looks pretty cool actually, needs a better keyboard though

Got an X220 today. Really good specs and weight for the price, but I'm not a fan of the touchpad, and I can't see why people love the trackpoint so much. It seems to just make everything slower for me.

I've heard people praise the trackpoint for allowing you to keep your fingers on the home row, but I only type with my two index fingers (I can do like 100-105 WPM with just two fingers, so I never saw any point in learning to touch type), so I don't see the advantage of that. Is there any other advantage to the trackpoint?

>>56984602
Everything I've bought from Asus has been cheap fragile trash with terrible engrish documentation and dodgy chink botnet software. Linux support is probably nonexistent at best.

>>56984602
>Asus 'SensePoint'
>trackpoints on non Lenovo products

100% guaranteed to be utter shit

Can I put a regular 2,5" SATA SSD on a T440 replacing the regular HDD?

>>56977730
just get a 500gb ssd, and maybe a second one later on if you really "need" it
>>56984931
yes
>>56984602
looks cool, gonna wait until some reviews are out before I even consider it though.

>>56984840
>It seems to just make everything slower for me
It's only a matter of getting used to it.

Adjust the sensitivity of the trackpoint to your liking and disable the touchpad, two or three days later you'll love it.

>>56984840
105WPM with 2 fingers lmao

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That good feel when updated my X41 with a new keyboard, 2.5GB of RAM (max possible), and an SSD.

Why? because I can, and it makes me hard

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>>56984969
What's so funny about that?

I never actually learned to type with more than two. If I try, I type ridiculously slow while trying to figure out where each finger is supposed to be. I have dyspraxia so I'm not too good with my fingers.

>>56985070
Neat desktop

im new to linux, how do i go about doing this?

>>56985346
The look comes by default when you install the "bunsen labs" distro, which is based on Debian, I only changed the wallpaper and terminal opacity

It's kind of a pain in the ass for me to customize Linux, I can't be bothered with it anymore

>>56978257
yes, you are either lucky or it is bad condition
they mostly start at 190/200 for A-conditon

>>56977931
a.) Yes it can.
b.) I have no idea, sorry bud :/

>>56984871
he has never used an F5SL

>>56984840
>I can't see why people love the trackpoint so much.

ive been using the trackpoint now instead of amouse since a few years. i dont even WANT a mouse anyore, its all so much easier with the trackpoint, lel.

you just have to work with it a few days, at first it sucks but it gets better and at some point you dont want to use anything else anymore.

>>56986569
Why do you like the trackpoint so much? Does it have an advantage over a mouse or touchpad (besides the ability to keep your fingers on the home row)?

>>56986642
Compared with a trackpad
>more precise
>faster
>two finger gestures are made obsolete by trackpoint middle button
>hardware buttons make for a satisfying experience
>hands on home row

Try doing CAD work on a fucking trackpad, I dare you. With a trackpoint, it's a joy.

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>http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X220
>The CPU speed will be throttled back to 800MHz if the machine is run on the 65W AC adapter with no battery installed. To avoid this throttling:
>run on a 90W AC adapter, or
>install a battery pack
Except I'm staring at the output of

watch -n1 "lscpu | grep 'MHz' | awk '{print $1}'"

and it definitely isn't throttling to 800MHz on just a 65watt adapter.

is there anything better than having fun by shitposting on 4chan with your thinkpad during the night when you are tired?

i love my thinkpad

>>56986642
the touchpad is jsut pure fucking trash compared t it. you have to move your fingers a lot more, youre not as precise, the whole movement isnt as "smooth". also, the biggest pro is in my opinion those amazing buttons beneath the keyboard. i can all handle them with my thumb, which makes scrolling etc. extremely fast, and especially continuous. i never have to re-adjust my hand to keep scrolling.

a mouse is of course better for gaming and whatnot, but for browsing and most work, ill choose the thinkpoint. after you worked with it a while, it just feel more "right" in my opinion.

>>56985070

My x60s has an 80 gig hard drive and 2 gigs of Ram. It is pretty comfy. I have a 320 gig hard drive which I might put it in here and put 3 gigs of Ram in here. I just got this x60s a couple of days ago(my first Thinkpad). It is such a nice machine to use. The Keyboard on it feels great to type on.

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>>56985312
Don't worry about it, these autists will complain about anything

Bought myself a T420s for 279 jewros, absolutely love it so far

>>56987341
i got a t430 with a dockingstation for 499 eurojews
its expensive but goddamn

>>56987490
Jesus christ
I got a t430 with nvs 5400m, and an i5 for $215, and a docking station for $20 (which was later partially refunded $10 since it didn't have a USB 3 port like in the description)

>>56986692

One thing I hate about other Laptops compared to the Thinkpads is the Trackpad.......They are horrible I have to use a regular mouse. With the Trackpoint you totally eliminate needing to use a mouse with maybe the exception for certain games like Half Life etc.

The Thinkpads are so well designed.

>>56984602
any other laptops (or specific thinkpads) that offer easy "maintenance" methods to upgrade pretty much everything?

>>56987602
eh fuck it i gotta support austrian economy anyways. i know i could have gotten it cheaper, but its literally like new (i think the dockingstation is new actually) and i had it the day after i ordered

Best thinkpad with 1080p screen

>>56987905

800x600 is how I role, Anon

>>56987937
but i want a comfy cheap laptop with 1080p
for movies and stuff

>>56987959
why not 1600x900 for downscaled 1080p

>>56987982
i wanna watch movies at high resolutions

>>56987999
>i wanna watch porn at high resolutions

ftfy

>>56988051
meh that too but mostly watch movies on the go sense i spend a lot of time on buses and wanna relax while at break at work

>>56988047
>get a cheap usb to sata/msata/m2/whatever the fuck your drive has
>transfer your files
>smash the xps

>>56987959

You certainly don't want 1368x768........

Nastiest resolution you can get

>>56988116
my current laptop is but i agree

i received my first thinkpad with a thinklight today, goddamn

at first i thought its trash compared to the backlit keyboard i had in my X1, but GODDAMNIG its so INCREDIBLY fucking comfy, man! at night, with the thinklight on, that feels like im in comfytown. the nice lights literally surrounds my thinkpad and gives a small shine of warmth in this cold, dark world.

>>56988140
pics

>>56987959
Well you'll find plenty of cheap t420 and t430 if you settle with >>56987982

If not you'd have to get something like the 15.6" t520 or w520.

>>56988047

XPS.......Anon you get your files off of it then either pour Gasoline/Petrol on it and set it on fire or smash it to bits with an Estwing.

Welcome to the Lenovo owners club.

TFW you own an Lenovo, Anon.

>>56988133

TFW I have shared that feel of 1368x768, Anon. I have a piece of junk Advent Laptop that was given to me.

Seriously Anon, it has label on the bottom of it saying "Do not use on your Lap". I had it running for 2 days and it shut itself down. It was hot enough to cook your dinner on.

Should I get a 1st gen Helix or a yoga for a chinkpad with an active digitizer and an i7? Looking to use it for taking notes.

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>>56988176
there you go senpai

>>56988299

Comfy as fuck, Anon

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>>56988100
>>56988194
Thanks lads. Soon as I get my documents onto the Ideapad this fucker is going down

>>56981041
Bumpu

>>56988299
looks so nice

>>56988353

Anon, Post pics when you've smashed it up then we can press F to pay respects.

>>56988444
Already plan on doing that. Of course, my cute waifu Ideapad-chan might make an appearance too<3

>>56981041

I don't know Anon....I have never tried hackintosh. When I have done dual booting if possible I like to use separate hard drives. I am not keen on partitioning that is just my preference.

>>56988471

How are the Ideapads, Anon?. My Sister needs to get a notebook/laptop for University. She can get an Ideapad 100S for 90 pounds with her Student discount.

>>56981041
http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/285678-lenovo-thinkpad-t420-with-uefi-only/

I havent fucked with the shit to get my dock working. Everything else works though.

>>56988572
Suits my purposes great, but I have an Ideapad Flex 4 which starts at 500 bucks on the Lenovo site.

The tablet mode is great for when I'm trying to work in cramped spaces, and the touchscreen seems gimmicky but trust me it makes doing everything so much faster.

Keep in mind I'm a boring person who uses word processors and spreadsheets. I don't demand much from my laptops.

>>56988706

I use a text editor for everything pretty much. I gmail for email......I write up the email on my text editor(gedit) then I copy it into gmail via the browser.

I am beginning to learn coding. Using a text editor is the only way to go. If what I was doing required a Word Processor or a Spreadsheet then that it is what I'd use. Most likely if I was to have to use some kind of Office type software, I'd use LibreOffice. I have used it before and it does what I need it to do.

>>56979836
I ran hours of memtest and no errors were found. My x230 is also now suddenly turning off even while plugged in.

>>56982916
bump

does/did anyone else get slow/slower benchmark speeds on their/your chinkpad/s with 850 EVO?

>>56989497
I had a 2.5" 850 evo but changed it for an msata 850 evo to get multi drive drifting on my t420. Aside from the obvious sata2 bottleneck there's nothing unusual.

>>56982916

Anon, unless you buy a scrapped x220 off Ebay you might not have much luck. To replace the entire keyboard is easy. There are plenty of guides on youtube. You have to remove the battery and take out 4 screws and the keyboard lifts out. Disconnect the ribbon cable. Then connect the new Keyboard put the screws back in it then the battery. Jobs a good 'un.

>>56982916
i could give you one from my spare keyboard but you're too far away senpai

https://newyork.craigslist. org/que/syd/5797484504.html
is this good

Is $300 for a T430 with the Nvidia NVS reasonable?

Don't see much better prices for that on the Ebay

>>56990338
it's on the higher side, so it better be in really good condition, or everything else better be nice.

>>56990358
Any on Ebay with the Nvidia (that are also non-s) are $500 and up

>>56990362
I got mine with i5 4 gigs of ram, 500gb hdd, and nvs 5400m for $215 to me

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are non-thinkpad refurbished laptops a good deal too? some of them look like pretty good deals but I've never bought something refurbished before and don't know if it's a good idea or not

I don't want a thinkpad because I need/want a 17 inch screen and reasonable gaming performance.
I know laptops aren't ideal for gaming and it's very cost-ineffective but I work away from home in remote camps for much of the year and hauling a desktop around is not possible. I'll buy a desktop when I settle somewhere.

>>56972184
I bought a x200 tablet for $100

Good buy?

Is a SSD ipgrade worth it for a programming machina?

>>56990166
no

>>56990589
>gaming performance
Don't get anything refurbished at all.
Get one of the newer laptops with a GTX 1060.

>>56990690
always replace a hard drive with an ssd in a laptop
it's 2016, laptops should not have hard drives.

>>56990690
It's only a SATA II port, how much of an increase would I experience. Is EVO 750 a meme?

>>56990704
they're all minimum $2000 CAD.
about $800 above my price range.
Should I not buy refurb because someone could have overclocked them and been a retard about it?

I'm using some legacy software on my x220 for work so I'm kinda stuck with windows but have to ask are there any more modern video drivers for hd3000 graphics out there anywhere?

>>56990739
it's not the raw speed that it can do, it's the random read write performance that matters.
and yes, even if you only had sata 1 it will be HUGE, especially over a shitty 6 year old laptop hdd.

best thinkpad/alternative for a future CAD worker that tends to use a lot of design software, and sometimes music production software?

under $1000

>>56990833
Depends on what you're doing in CAD like for me my x220 is more then adequate for all the small parts I draw up before we machine them.

>>56990771
No, you should not buy refurb because it will be an underpowered, obsolete pile of junk even if you get one with a 900 series GPU. It's not worth it.

You want a laptop for gaming, you buy new for the sake of performance. That's all it is.

>>56990772
download them from intels site
but it shouldn't make a difference since hd 3000 is so old
>>56990833
w530?
what are you using it for?

>>56979383
Where the fuck is this from?

>>56990927
>You want a laptop for gaming, you buy new for the sake of performance. That's all it is.

well shit
If that's the case then I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place. $2000+ for a laptop just isn't possible for me right now.
Most of the games I play are 3 years old or older so I don't need something able to do 4k 60fps on the newest games

But if it's a really bad idea then I'll have to figure something else out i guess

>>56991034
egpu

>>56990771
Sorry nigga. That's just the reality of gaymen laptops. Pay up or fuck off. It's why gaymen laptops are for gay men.

>>56974126
rubbing alcohol or hand sanitier

thinkpad x230t?

is it a good idea? i like being able to doodle on my screen and have okay performance in games (the hd 4000 graphics will do me fine)

>>56990589
It depends on what type of gaming you do, and what you want to do with you laptop. If you want to play low spec games and emulate. It's possible on a thinkpad.

My shittop''s intel ivy bridge i3 IGPU can easily handle playing 2d emulation for example. So an Thinkpad can handle that,

>>56973792
How funny, just sold one of those for $90 and had a YouTube video about it.
I am a fan of the X61 tablet, first laptop I've had and still have one.

Anywho, the big deal is that, the X220 will be a bit wider than your machine and maybe the battery location might bother you.
As far as screen goes, you will be 'upgrading' to an IPS display. iirc the protege had a TN panel.
Currently no ThinkPad has a swivel hinge design, last was the X230.
There's a ThinkPad helix too if you want something small but is a slate and not a tablet convertable.
Getting one soon.

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>>56974555
Honestly fuck off and buy a shitty consumer piece of shit 1080p laptop.

I highly doubt you'll get a working 1080p 17" laptop other than a beat to shit Dell Precision M6300 or M6400. Good luck.

>>56975181
The last IBM laptop had a Pentium M processor.
You should really do some research after reading "LENOVO LOCKS DOWN ALL NEW LAPTOPS!!!" clickbait articles

>>56977051
10 hours dimmest, 3 hours highest

>>56979383
Someone from India or Mexico got their first Mac?

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>>56981693
I thought IBM was losing money from overheating A31p, & T4x, then there's the RAM holder issue, and finally the T4x motherboard cracking because you picked it up funny.

>>56991034
It's a terrible idea.
Do you honestly think the person you are buying a gaming laptop was happy with what they had?
Anyone's desktop can shit on em.
Ofc they been overclocked
Ofc they've never been cleaned up

Good gaming desktops to play games 3 years ago cost $4,000 new. They will not cost $800 unless you extremely lucky.

Please, don't post here again. most of us don't game on a ThinkPad and if we do, it's old games, it's an eGPU it's a sort of setup someone who wants to buy a gaming laptop doesn't like, doesn't agree with and doesn't want.

You're basically wanting a buy a turbo'd civic that can get 12 second quarter mile times and don't 'want one that's too beat up'

>>56992505
relax, tripfag
I was asking about how much of a chance i'd be taking if I bought a refurb laptop, given that posters here would know much more about refurbished products than nearly anyone else.

>Good gaming desktops to play games 3 years ago cost $4,000 new

oh come on, this is demonstrably not true.

i do appreciate the advice, even if you're being slightly over dramatic

>>56992626
You have to list some titles you want to run if you want real help. We can't tell you anything useful otherwise.

I just got an X220, with an open miniPCIe slot, and I want to put a WWAN card in it. Are there any Linux friendly LTE cards out there I could use?

refurbished t420
i7 2670qm
8 gb ram
500 gb hdd
1600x900 screen
w10

350€

yea or nay?

>>56992863

Many OP. There are very few devices that aren't supported.

>>56992857
fair enough,
current games are flight sim x, HAWX 1&2, modded skyrim (it would be nice to try some of the upgraded graphics mods).some genesis emulations as well but those could be played on a toaster so that doesn't help much.
future games would probably be more flight sims, cities:skylines, some racing sims/games and maybe some of yesteryears big budget shooters

i mentioned earlier, I'm not expecting to play current triple-a games at 4k or anything silly. I usually wait 3 or 4 years then buy stuff on sale. I'll probably grab GTA 5 in a year or so if/when it drops in price and goes on sale for example

>>56992505
>Good gaming desktops to play games 3 years ago cost $4,000 new
Kek what

Did you mean laptops? Cause for desktops you can do great for less than $100

>tripfags knowing what the fuck they're talking about, ever

>>56993252
$1000*

damn, the irony

how do you break it to a guy that he is selling his thinkpad above the market price without coming of as a greedy jew? I'm no arab on a bazar I've never negotiated prices

>>56992989
>i7 2670qm
its gonna throttle.
nay

>>56993296
thanks

>>56992989
i was thinking about buying
i7 2620
4 gb ram
320 gb hdd
1600x900
for 290 €

so i'd say its fair but not the best deals (both of them) but we're in europe after all

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>>56993296
muh cores

How well would a T61P do for a light linux distro and mostly just a torrent machine for 720p anime?
Also, I heard that it's got an ExpressCard slot, is it a bad idea to go forward with connecting an eGPU for some low-medium settings gayming?

It's either that or buy some piece of shit applel for notetaking and nothing else.

The X220 I just got gets way to hot. It idles at around 75c (167f), unless I turn the power settings right down so that the CPU is underclocked to like 35%, then it idles at around 48C (118f) but is really slow. I've removed the keyboard and can't see any giant hairballs or anything like that.

>>56993628

A T61P would work great for a light Linux distro + torrent and 720 anime as long as you have at least 2 gigs of Ram.

My X60s can run 720 and 1080 rips no problem. I am using Windows XP with the latest version of VLC player.

So running a light Linux distro will do that no problem, Anon.

Any Thinkpad that is Dual Core with a couple of gigs of Ram are more than capable of doing most computing tasks.

>>56993032
Any specifics I could look for? I'm using Project Fi, so anything that support T-Mobile, Sprint, and/or US Cellular.

If I can get a X201i and a X131e for roughly the same price, which one should I go for?

>>56993825
Mine is running just fine, a little warm on the bottom and keyboard at room temperature (i7-2620M)

guys, how "accurate" is that windows rating system? you know the 0-7.9 one?

>>56994581
It's pretty accurate to estimate your non gaming performance.

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>>56994022
Thanks, I think I might pounce on a nice offer that I found on eBay.
What torrent client do you use, Anon? Just out of curiosity?

>>56993045
Based on your future games, you want a laptop with a GTX 1060.
Don't worry, it won't run jack shit at "4k or anything silly," but it will run your future games at 1920x1080.

Is the Thinkpad Yoga or any of the modern Thinkpads any good? They have the clit mouse but how do they compare to the classic Thinkpads? I want to get a 2 in 1 laptop and I'm looking at the Thinkpad Yoga.

I might grab a regular Thinkpad but I don't know if I'd be able to get one with better specs than my 2011 Macbook Pro with upgraded RAM and storage for a good deal.

>>56995005
Compared to classic Thinkpads, they're not as sturdy, and have a retarded keyboard layout, but otherwise are better in every aspect.

Which Yoga, though ? I wouldn't recommend going for anything less than X1 Yoga.

>searching for 15" business laptops with 1080p IPS screens
>almost everything is TN

>>56995184
I'm looking at the Yoga 710 but I'm going to wait until Kaby Lake laptops start coming out. Lenovo are going to update the 900 with the Kaby Lake laptops so I might go for that one if my budget allows for it, but I don't know if they have anything planned for the 700.

>>56994107

Not sure.......Kernel developers favour the well known H/ware companies when it comes to drivers.

Intel, Broadcom etc. Any distro with a 4.x.x Kernel should support whatever device you have.

>>56994635

Anon, I have been using Qbittorrent for a good while and on Linux it works very well. Ignore Windows users badmouthing it......it works great just as firefox does on Linux.

where can i download a windows 7 iso that hasen't been fucked up

>>56995915

Good Question.......I downloaded a copy of 7 that I couldn't activate.

>>56996044
even with daz loader or kms pico

>>56996137

Forgive my ignorance.....first time I ever downloaded and had a problem, Anon.

>>56995915
>http://mirror.corenoc.de/digitalrivercontent.net/
Torrent site for the ISO images that M$ had on Digital River before they took em down.

Just download the EN versions unless you want German (DE)

>>56994581
Other than hi end sixcore/eightcore processors and gaming cards, WEI score trading is fun.

>>56994446
X130e will probably take a bigger beating than the X201i, but the i3 will be stronger than a 1.6GHz AMD E-450

X201i would be a lot more sleeker than the X130e though, plus typing on it is much better too, the thing I disliked about the X130e was how the keyboard was pushed towards you.

>http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/282/AMD_E-Series_E-450_vs_Intel_Core_i3_Mobile_i3-330M_(PGA988).html
>http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/282/AMD_E-Series_E-450_vs_Intel_Core_i3_Mobile_i3-330M_(PGA988).html

However there are some i3 X130 laptops which have an ivy bridge CPU, that one would perform better I would think.

>>56993294
Eh, it'll break em when it doesn't sell for months, sadly people will buy machines without knowing the market, they just see that laptop and then the original price or asking price from other stores and will probably buy it.

A client of mine bought an X61s for $250 a few months back, he came from macbook senpai and wanted to use Tails.

>>56993257
Hey its cool, I fucked up too. xD

>>56992626
I should of said they costed $3,000 new at the time. But im talking out of my ass at that hour.

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I know it is not /g/ approved, but I got a thinkpad 13 and I really like it.
First Thinkpad, keyboard is awesome, it's a ultrabook but not a flimsy one.

>>56990108
I'll pay for posting, it will fit in a standard letter

>>56996934
looks nice, seeing as non of the /g/ laptops are in production anymore you couldn't have gotten a much better laptop if you're buying new

>>56992436
THINKTRAP I MISSED YOU

>>56992436
>>56997959
Also
>X220 finished video
>46 minutes ago

Time to fap.

Is a T420 with 8GB and 240GB SSD good value for a Britbong around £270?

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Am I imagining it, or are you able to fit a 1080p screen into the T420?

Will this SSD be compatible with my T420? I want to replace the HDD.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147360

Can I install osx on a thinkpad 13 pls?

>>56998920
xD

Is there a thinkpad or something similar that meets these criteria?
>touch screen 12.5" or larger
>good battery life
>4lbs or less
>actual laptop chassis, no removable tablet screen
>SSD or replaceable/empty drive
>$300 or less used

>>56999095
T420 with 900p res

>>56999106
no touch screen.

>>56999095

X220T

Are there any good mods for the T400? I the base model with no discreet gpu and the 1280x800 display. I was thinking about a new keyboard to fix some of the problems with the one I have now, are T410 or T420 keyboards compatible? I find them nicer to use.

How loud do thinkpads usually get?
My current Jewlett-Fucktard laptop idles at 60°C and will deafen anyone in a 10 meter radius under load, so I wanna know if I can use a TP in class without majorly disturbing everyone?

am I retarded for wanting to buy a W530?

are there better alternatives?

>>56977560
no, but the palmrest has the hole for it, just buy one if you want it

I need to buy portable laptop to write and lurk, occasionaly play some old vidya. Should I get a thinkpad? Is it any better then some shitty new acer netbook?

>>56979788
put chromium os in it, so you can shitpost with style

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tfw waiting for brand new t460 to arrive

>>57000968
Well shit you must be rich anon

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>>57001003
just a little

My thinkpad t560's power button broke inside, partially. So it works, but kinda wiggles when I press it, and if I'm not careful it can get stuck inside.
I opened the cover, and I see the power button is easily replaceable.
But where can I order a power button from?

Why is it impossible to get a x220 with i7 in Europe (I'm from Spain)?
Does it make a lot of difference with the i5 version?

Gonna buy a run down X60 for 20€. Any idea how much would a battery and a screen cost?
>>57000584
TPs are operating silently even under load (at least compared to hp lovecraftian)

>>56998880
SSDs are universal, just check the SATA versions or it gets bottlenecked

I need new screws for my Thinkpad. When I first opened it up, I realized half of them were missing. Where do I buy them?

It's an X200, I'm talking about bottom chassis screws.

>>56974126
Assuming it's just sticker residue, Goof Off or Goo Gone are made for this type of shit. You can get it at Home Depot for less than $5. If the plastic itself it discolored from being exposed to light less than the rest of the palm rest you're probably out of luck.

>>56981659
Was this through eBay? If you find that it has USB 2.0 instead of 3.0 as they described it I'd message them about it. You might be able to get them to give you a partial refund because most sellers don't want to have to deal with a return.

>>57001437
The i7 is fucking awful. Stick with the i5. The small jump in speed from the i5 to the i7 is not worth the heat and noise the i7 will cause.

>>57001839
It's discoloration, already tried with pretty much everything suggested.

Well shit new palmrest it is.

Is Thinkpad's bios botnet?

>>56992989
yes

quad core is sugoi

QUESTIONS FROM A BEGINNER:

IF I BUY A THINKPAD, COULD IT BE HACKED EVEN IF I DO LIVEUSB? LIKE BOTNET IN THE BIOS OR SOMETHING?

WHAT'S A GOOD THINKPAD WITH A 1080P SCREEN, GOOD CPU, USB 3.0, TB HDD ETC?

>>56992376
Wtf is up with your laptop?

anybody have the network adaptors driver for t420. Cause im too retarded to find them on my own

Has anyone tried the skins you can buy on ebay?


http://www.ebay.com/itm/221885209167?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&var=520778178776&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

>>56992376
Any chance i can do that on my T420?

Ultrabay numpad looks pretty cool.

my x220 doesn't seem to be boosting. it has the i7 2640m but the speeds i've ever seen it run are the base 2.8 and the power saving 0.8 (according to cpuz) but never the boosted 3.5. any ideas?

>>57003099
do the cpu-z stress test and check temps while it's running, maybe it's throttling

>>57003247
it was 70c or below when i was installing a program (which was using 70% cpu and should be boosting at that time). hell even gayming never produced more than ~87c.

>>56996934
Been wanting one, I wonder if it would be a decent replacement for my X300.

>>56997985
Did I misspelled X200? More videos to come. :D

Unless I get lipo or a shit load of zip, no trap videos for awhile. :x

I plan on writing a review on T420s/30s screens with the Alienware M14x swap and other options, as well as a bit more info about the T430 I have.

>>56999095
>touch screen
>$300 or less
X220 or maybe X230 multitouch. Unless you are VERY lucky on finding a touchscreen T400s, your other option is a Yoga 14 or maybe a touch X1 Carbon that goes for super cheap.

>>57000763
Hmmm... well you can start by narrowing down what kind of ThinkPad you want, I mean there are only so many shitty Acer Netbooks but there have been 20+ years of ThinkPads in all different flavors.

>>57002777
Yes you can get hacked Omar.
There are no good thinkpads dude, we all use old pentium m thinkpads from 2004 dum dumb.

>>57003366
false alarm. apparently my power profile was the fault even though i chose the max performance on everything.

>>56991944
The only thing i don't like of the x230t is the battery.

Looking at an x240. is 1080p on a 12.5" screen too much? Also, is 12,5" too small for a screen? never really used a screen that small

>>57003864
Avoid the *40 series at all costs. The touchpad is unbearable.

>>57001346
Use your warranty to get that button fixed.

>>56988299
Damn that's sexy

>>57003864
I'd avoid the 1080p screen on something that small
I just wish they made a 1600x900 IPS screen for the x240 because that would be perfect
>>57003972
you can easily (and cheaply) swap the trackpad on the x240.

>>56988140
>>56988299
You can replace the keyboard with one that has backlight you know

>>57004999
backlit keyboards are for fags

>>57005016
What are you gonna do about it big guy?

>>57005025
rice my linux desktop

the intel 7265 wireless adapter in my X1C3 is horrible. i probably have to replace it, if i can.

How much could I get for a T530:

Win 10 64-bit
i7 3520M @ 2.9 GHz
16 GB DDR3
1920 x 1080
1GB 5400M
180GB mSata SSD
500GB HDD

Has anyone had luck getting eGPU on the t420s? I have had very little luck with the exp gdc pci-e.

>>57005302
how does the eGPU get connected to the t420s?

>>57005302
>I have had very little luck
how so?

I'm using the ExpressCard exp gdc with a t420 though but maybe i can help.

>>56992626
https://m.newegg.com/ProductList?canPowerSearch=True&powerSearchParams=%7B"CategoryId"%3A363%2C"StoreId"%3A3%2C"SubcategoryId"%3A3365%7D&isFirstin=false&description=%252fwYn03%252fe21SMdjMe88iWXg%253d%253d&storeid=3&categoryid=-1&nodeid=167732&storetype=2&subcategoryid=3365&brandid=-1&nvalue=100167732&showseealldeals=False&itemcount=0&issubcategory=true&level=3&GPU%2FVPU%7C%7CNVIDIA+GeForce+GTX+1060=%7C%7C0%3A601205664%7C%7CPower


Guy who replied to you is an asshole. You can find plenty of machines for the price. But you won't find thinkpads that can compete because these things really are made for work stuff. Video editing, Cad which is gamers really can't take advantage of unless you wanna do the egpu route.

Sister said she wouldn't mind a think pad.

requirements
she wants to do some video editing/play recent games to decent graphics card.
15.5ish if possible.
new

we live in Australia.

>>57005593
budget $800max AUD

What is meant by the Real ThinkPad Experience™

>love my X201 I paid ~85 bucks for
>fast enough for me
>but the screen isn't great
Maybe I should sell it and invest in an x200 with the IPS screen, and put an SSD in it. Then again, I don't know if I really need that or it's just the ZOG telling me to

>>57005539
Whoops I'm an imbecile I meant express card. Did you set the power management on the BIOS to gen 1? Does the 420 (not s) come with more than just the integrated graphics? The Chinese manual makes a point bout that but it is moot in the s.

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>>57006104
>Did you set the power management on the BIOS to gen 1?
Yes, otherwise I'd get the very popular EventID 4101 error which is the driver crashing randomly and seems like there's no specific solution yet.

Performance hit isn't that much, pic related with a gtx 950.

>Does the 420 (not s) come with more than just the integrated graphics?
It comes with either integrated hd3000 or integrated + NVS dGPU, I'm using the one without the dGPU.

>>57005695
T430 (with classic keyboard) era or T420 era or older.

What does /thinkpad/ think of the ThinkPad E560 Laptop? or e series in general.

want something for light gaming (i.e. not max settings) on the (Australian) cheap

While deciding between a tablet and non-tablet X230, i7 or i5? How big is the difference in battery/heat/noise/performance?

>>57006407
They don't have a magnesium base/lid, it's basically plastic but worse than the R series.

Not many like em, enthusiasts dislike they strongly.

Get it if it serves your budget/region.

>>57005695
755C, 701C, 600X, T30, T42p, T601, X300

>>57005291
$600? 700?

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where to get x301 batteries?

Physical touchpad buttons seem a bit clunky. Would it be possible for me to replace the physical touchpad on an x230 with a clickpad, like with the T440? Thanks.

>>57007205
>T440
fuck, I meant x240

>>57002568
Only if you count the TPM and Management Engine, which are Intel's work.

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>mfw someone finally sells a 1440x900 display for X200/X201 for a reasonable price
>>56973526
Holy shit. There's a no-trackpad palmrest for these?

>>57007225
No

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>>57007567

New thread:

>>57008031