/tpg/ - ThinkPad General

X220 is elite status

A big thanks to the dude who answered my question on the eGPU (exp gdc) last thread. I did in fact have the expresscard setting to gen I so I guess that was not the concern Reason I had asked about the presence of dGPU was because the t420s BIOS has no way of addressing video changes bar a boot video selector (which seems wholesomely impertinent). Did you make any other changes in the BIOS other than the disabling of the network boot? Do you power on the exp gdc after POST?

>>57008185
>Did you make any other changes in the BIOS other than the disabling of the network boot?
Nothing related to the eGPU as far as i remember.

>Do you power on the exp gdc after POST?
No i don't even touch the EXP GDC since it's inside a custom case i made for it. The EXP GDC along with the GPU and the PSU should turn on by itself when powering up the laptop.

>>57008307
I'm gonna ask an even dumber question. Are you using solely a PSU to power this on? I had a corsair 750W one laying around and I figured that should be plenty for either a 680 or a 980 that my friend sold me for cheap.

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>>57008397
Yes, a generic noname 500w PSU connected to the EXP GDC via its adapter thing and to the card 6-pin.

I still have the crappy trackpoint drawing i made for another anon about how to plug the exp gdc kek, pic related is my setup.

>>57008518
Forgot to mention, Red = expresscard - hdmi cable, Blue = cables from the power supply.

sell my t420 to finance x200s and possible upgrades? is this a good idea
??

Ao last time I came here(around a year or two), the only way tog et a 1080 screen to work on a thinkpad was to buy an adaptor or screen+adapter combo from some guy with a chink contact in really limited runs.

My questions is, has this changed? Can I now buy this easily from eBay or something, without needing to post in some other forum and be placed in a waiting list?

>>57008643
No, nothing changed and the dude discontinued the project because of shipping problems.

see forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=118070

How can someone fuck with me if they know my thinkpads' serial number? I think they are playing games with me tbqh.

Haven't been following thinkpads for a while, T420 and X220 are still the recommended buys for the last 2 years? Have *30 and *40 not dropped much in price?

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>>57008682
The idiots from USPS ruin yet another thing.

Buying my first Thinkpad from a guy on Craigslist later today, T420 with i5, 4 GB RAM, 250 HD, Windows 7 for $180.

How did I do?

>>57009303
Add an msata ssd for sanics and 3 drives.

guys can i eat tuna noodles that are 3 days old?
i havent had them in the fridge but i had them in my room and its very cold in my room

>>57009564
you can stuff 3 hdds in a t420? For real?

What do you guys usually upgrade when you get a t420? ssd, ram, usb 3 maybe?

Got my first ThinkPad since I fucked with a T60 back in the day: A W530. i7, NVIDIA Quadro, 8GB.

Why am I getting low FPS counts in Unigine benchmarks if I hjave an i7, discrete GPU, and 8GB of RAM?

>>57008518
Yeah that's my config alright. Saw somewhere someone had said you would need to also plug in a 12v power supply as well which I found preposterous.

What are the differences between the x220 and the tablet version? Why don't you guys ever recommend the x220T? Is it worse in some way?
And what about the x220 i5 vs. the x220 i7. I've heard that the i7 version overheats a lot. If I don't intend to use it for gaming, would that overheat be a problem?

>>57009260
Unsufficient packaging is not the fault of the logistics company.
>>57009303
Take some kneepads and lotion with you.

>>57009862

I bought a dock and a 9 cell battery and an SSD.
Next I'm going to upgrade from 4 GB to 8 GB RAM.
After that, I'm going to buy a caddy and put in a HDD for storing my animeys n shiiiit.

>>57009862
Ultrabay, HDD-Slot and mSata.

I have a 64gb SD-card for my download- and synced cloud-folder

im learning with 2 friends of mine and they laugh because my T430 is way fatter than their macbooks :(

>>57010378
>running gaming engine with professional graphics card meant for number crunching

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I'm thinking on getting a T60, need it for writing word/powerpoint documents and very light web browsing. Multiple tabs may be used at times.

Will the core duo and 4gb of ram be enough? and If I were to install windows 10, how much slower would it operate compared to windows 7?

>>57011377
i think that windows 10 is faster than windows 7, famalam

Are there appreciable performance gains between the x250 and the x260? I am gonna get the last of the core ones that aren't win10 locked (from gen 7 on) as I use a few windows exclusive programs for work but I do fear that their prices won't drop for this very reason.

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Just snagged this for price related. How did I do?

>>57011677
You done good, friend. Makes me wish I did a little more dealhunting before buying mine at 250usd. Same as yours there, but 160GB SSD and a 6 cell battery instead of 9.

>>57011677
At least, compared to prices here in Spain, it's a great deal.

>>57011694
Is there a substantial difference between the 6 and 9 cell battery? I also have a spare ssd to install, but it's 9mm which sucks as it won't fit

>>57011885
The 9 cell has 50% more charge compared with the 6 cell.
Which translates into roughly 9h30min of system on time, compared with 5h or so on the 6cell (comparing new cells and conservative power settings).

My 9 cell is at 73% and gives me 7h or so.

>>57011928
Holy shit. That's pretty awesome. What OS are you running in order to be able to get that battery life?

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Was ist das?

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>>57011992
Hmmm...

>>57011956
Win10.
I get 5h30min in Linux, so a drop of 1h30min, sadly.

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>>57012008
Could it be?

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>>57012032
A flashy X201?

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>>57012037
Time for the ritual.

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>>57012069
Fucking kill me

What the fuck I just spend the night figuring out the font in the OP image.

What is it?

>>57012147
It's dirt, beneath the glass. Except Thinkpads have no glass. So it's dirt between the layers of the panel.
lol

>>57012147
Ultimately... one little black mark on the screen doesn't matter at all, man.

>>57012215
The font is Sans Pajeet

>>57012316
Get out

>>57012147
it physically hurts my eyes.

>>57009303
Rip off. Got the same with a usable battery for $100

>>57008682
Are the schematics anywhere? I wouldn't mind building my own.

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What do you use to cover the wifi indicator on your Thinkpad x220 / x230?
It really is a distraction while watching chinese cartoons

Fuck me I can't stand this shit anymore. There's a slight, barely but still noticeable , static-y sound coming over the speakers and headphones when I plug them in and its driving me crazy. Maybe not a software issue, tinkered with alsamixer and searched through google but can't find shit. Maybe some of you guys have had same issue, t430 btw.

>>57013025
Use a black tape or something, although that's utterly retarded. Just connect your dankpad to the TV and watch your cartoons.

>>57013072
What kernel version are you using? There's a kernel version out there with shit sound latency (even more than the usual) and hissing.

>>57012396
>>57012685
jajaja guys, but seriously, when do you have full white on your screen? Otherwise is unnoticeable

>>57013177
I'm on 4.7.6
Should I try LTS version?

>>57013293
>LTS version
DE versions are unrelated to kernel versions, you know you can just upgrade the kernel anytime you want, right?

That kernel doesn't seem to have any problem with sound, though.

Are the sound problems constant, the vary obver time?
Have they been plaguing the laptop since you have had it?

how long does the x60/61 battery last (6 cell vs 8 cell)?

and what would be a reasonable price for 1 in the UK?

>>57010913

You'll have the last laugh when their macbooks break and they have to bring it to the apple store to have it repaired for 3x the price of a T430.

YO MA MANS
What distro do you use on your thinkpad? And what desktop environment?

>>57013447
I'm totally unrepresentative but Arch and GNOME 3.
Funnily enough GNOME manages to use less battery in my experience than Xfce.

>>57011677
I got once for £130 a few days ago, nice find

I was looking into 9 cell batteries for my T420, and I saw a lot of negative reviews saying that 9-cells lost most of their charge or even break after a year. Has this always been a problem with 9-cells or was this a particular batch?

>>57013337
Have had the laptop for a month, started noticing the sound about a week ago.
>Are the sound problems constant, the vary obver time?
Really hard to tell, I'd say its constant, goes away when muted though.

>>57013502
Unrepresentative? I thought the majority of thinkpad users used Arch

>>57013609
I use Xubuntu.

>>57013211
things like this are noticeable pretty much anywhere.
4chan, text editors etc...

>>57013550
Seems like a problem with the sound chipset.

>>57013609
The majority of thinkpad users don't use GNOME 3, I meant

>>57013948
How do I solve that, spoonfeed me please.

>>57014136
Try different sound drivers.

Wait, does the problem happen in both linux and windows or linux only?

>>57014196
Don't know about windows.

I have a 2011 Macbook Pro that I've upgraded with 8 GB SSD SODIMM DDR3 RAM and as 500 GB Samsung Evo 850 SSD. Is there any Thinkpad I can buy that will have a better CPU than the i5 2435M and higher res screen than 1280x800 that I can reuse my SSD and RAM in?

>>57014218
>8 GB SSD

I'm retarded

>>57013025
I switched mine on my t420 to not blink.

>>57014218
Try windows then.
If the problem persists on windows, then your sound chipset is fucked (aka throw the motherboard out). If not, your Linux is fucked, so trash it and try again.

Maybe the hissing is really low and you're being autistical about it. Low hissing on laptops happens 90% of the time, because they don't have very good DAC's.
For example, my X230 has some hissing (small amount, really). I use an external DAC at home, though.

>>57008973
I got the T430 for $209 and love it.

>x61t in sleep mode sitting under a pile of papers
>apparently the battery was low
>random siren noises

>>57014244
x220

>>57013025
Just switch it to not blink.

>>57014337
Looks neat, but if I buy a new laptop then I'd want a bit of a bigger upgrade. Is the X240 worth going for?

>>57013447
Fedora 24 with GNOME 3 on my T420.

Are there any sites to easily buy the x220/x230 FHD mod yet?

>>57009862
Ssd+hdd+hdd, ram, cpu, battery, docking station, external gpu, screen to 1600x900, etc

Possibilities are endless.

>>57014456
Wait, didn't realize there's an X230 too, I'll be on the lookout for that one.

>>57013447

X220 with KDE5 on Gentoo

>>57014407
>>57014266
I tried to google it, but I can't find a way to turn them to not blinking on Linux. Do you know how?

>>57012986
I don't know, but if you make an adapter that works I'll buy it.

should i buy a T420 keyboard for my T430?

i never used the non-ciclet keyboard and im fine with the chiclet one, still maybe a t420 keyboard would be kinda cool?

and should i get a 9 cell battery? just for the hell of it?

>>57014261
what?
>>57014290
yeah, I'll explore my options, thanks for helping fa.m.

>>>/t/707930

think i'll be able to play this on a t430?

>>57011377

I have Windows10 running on a Dell Optiplex with 2 gig of Ram......it works fine.....

With the Core Duo on the T60 you'll only be able to run 32 bit Windows 10 and it will only see 3gb of Ram.

If you get a T61 that has a Core 2 Duo you'll be able to run 64bit Windows 10.

>>57011677

You got a good deal there. Post here when you get it delivered. If this is a Ebay dealer and that X220 is tip top, I will buy one from them too.

>>57013025
Mine isn't nearly that bright for some reason.

how can i tell what hdds/ssds will fit in my x200s?

>>57013447

I have an X60s with 2 gigs of Ram. It has Windows XP installed on it. I mainly use it for retrogaming(Emulators and late 90's/early 2000's games like Half Life, Deus Ex etc), text editing and shitposting.

>>57008584
Terrible idea, you are selling in order to downgrade processing and graphical power.

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>>57012016
Install TLP then. Works wonders. The batterylife you mentioned in >>57011928 is more or less what I get on Linux with 9 cell.
See pic. Think battery was at 90-95% or so charge when I took the shots for some other bloke a few threads back.

>>57015353
I have TLP installed already. I was the guy sharing his experience with the 9 cell that you quoted, too.

Do you mind sharing your tlp config?

>>57010727
The tablet version is always about $50 more expensive for a feature that really isn't that great. I have a x220t. When I try and take notes with the stylus (which only happens occasionally), it draws about 0.5cm away from where the stylus actually touches.

If you do get an x220t, make sure you get the option with multi-touch. If you don't, you can't actually use your fingers on the screen like a regular tablet.

If the same price, go for the x230 over the x220, yes?

Same HDD, same RAM, better CPU and condition on the x230, better to get? Or x220 better in some way?

>>57014244
So I've done some looking at my used market and I've found a X220, T420, T520 and a X220i. What sets the X220i apart from the other models? And I can buy the T420 and T520 outright with the T520 being cheaper, is there any difference between the two other than the screen size? The T420 has a 1600x900 screen which I assume isn't stock?

>>57016039
>Or x220 better in some way?
keyboard has a better layout but can be transplanted to a x230 so yeah go for the x230

>>57016070
>keyboard has a better layout but can be transplanted to a x230 so yeah go for the x230
Noice, I'm not too picky about that, more about the ram and cpu for me, I've worked on way shittier keyboard in the past

>The X220 has similar CPU benchmarks to the Lenovo Yoga 700

Modern computing is a mistake

>>57015213
It should take any standard 9.5mm drive. My X201s does. You can't use mSATA drives though, support for those wouldn't be introduced until Sandy Bridge so you can't have more than one drive unless you get an Ultrabase.

>>57011677
I was watching that one, but I'm after a T420

>>57016332
>tfw my t420 gets 60% of the desktop i7 4790k cpu-z benchmark score.

>>57016332
>intel stops focusing on performance and works on better thermals and power efficiency instead
>manufacturers throw these gains out the fucking window in favor of muh thin and light
fuck this gay earth

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Yo, still the idiot who found a thinkpad
I was told that where should be the disc drive (which as of now houses an empty hdd bay) there can be put more batteries
Do you think it would be feasible with that and a decent regular battery to reach 6h+ ?

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what model thinkpad should i be searching for on ebay for $300 or less. I would prefer to have 8gb of ram or more at minimum. pic unrelated

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>>57011677
>mfw I got mine for $400

>>57017320
sick reddit meme upvoted

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So I fell for the /thinkpad/ meme and it came pre-installed with Windows 7.

>Windows 7 home prem for refurb pcs

Naturally, I like using the product key to re-install everything myself. I went through the bios and set everything to defaults. Now Windows won't boot... I wanted to nuke it anyway so I went on to use Microsoft's tool.... Ended up with pic related.

SOMEONE HELP?

>>57017005
t440/430 or x230

>>57017548
just do a clean install and apply ms toolkit

>>57017585
>just do a clean install

And ge the iso from where?

>>57017627
el pirato bay

>>57017627
http://mirror.corenoc.de/digitalrivercontent.net/

I'd go with Enterprise, all the features of Ultimate and can be activated with ms toolkit.

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>>57017695
>>57017735
So my options are:
1. Trust some botnet OS that I pirated
2. Trust the refurbishment firm and their recovery partition

The problem I have is it comes with all sorts of preinstalled shit I don't need like Open Office. I really want a fresh install and don't trust anyone.

Don't mind single booting Linux but I need OneNote for lectures....

>>57016388
forgive my ignorance, but what about drives smaller than 9mm? would something like this work?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00S9Q9UKS

>>57017828
Those isos are legit, same hashes as the msdn site.

>>57017933
It'll be fine. The caddy is 9.5mm, so it doesn't matter whether the drive it holds is smaller.

>>57017964
nice, thanks very much :3

>>57017942
While I believe you (and want it to be true) - how can I possibly check it?

>>57018305
check the checksums of the file with the checksums here: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/subscriptions/downloads/hh442898.aspx

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jesus, is speccy fucking with me? 667mhz ram? good thing i'm upgrading it soon anyway

>>57018550
The RAM clock listed in Speccy is half of its effective value. Double Data Rate and all that.

>>57018589
i'm an idiot and just realized this. cant wait to upgrade anyway. and put a real drive in. and get windows off this fucking thing

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did i do good?
>working order
>working battery
>with charger
>Ubuntu

I want to spend like $200. What Thinkpad should I get? Must get 3500+ in pass mark and have 4 hours screen on time at 50% brightness

Battery came low. Where's the best place to get a new 9 cell?

>>57018689
>T22
It's garbage, anon.

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Do you think that the chinks will find a way to put an oled in a 220/420?

Got a Grade A T420 with a 20% battery, 128SSD, i5 2560 and 8GB of ram for $225. Did I fuck up?

>>57020079
And 1600x900

>>57017548
Just install Win10 since you're going to fuck it up with M$ bloatware anyways

The whole point of getting a ThinkPad is to install something good on it m8

>>57018689
>900mhz Pentium3
>384mb ram
>20gb hdd
Neat paper weight

>>57010770
No, but rough handling of packages is

>>57014590
And at that point, your several hundred dollars in

>>57020079

No, that's about right

Probably could've saved 10-20 bucks if you hunted more, but who really cares about saving that little

I bought two T430 thinkpads, the second being for parts if the first should ever break or something

>this was before I knew of the battery DRM

fugg

>>57008031

Sourced a mint T43 at a secondhand PC shop that I deliver to for work.

Is buying an IBM model and booting it with Linux better than going with chinkshit? I worked with newer Lenovo models at my braindead hardware job at Compucom, they seemed to have solid build quality but the idea of getting an actual IBM model seems more appealing.

>>57020202
I know, i did it ;-;

It's neat to have a 2011 t420 maxed though.

>>57020202
Not me, just $400ish
>2620m w/ 8gb of ram and 1600x900 screen
$175
>Dock
$25
>New HDD and SSD
$150
>New 9 cell battery
free because battery recall

I'm not gonna replace it for a long while unless i can get a good deal on a W530

>>57020256
Point stands.

Should i install windows 7 or 8.1 on a T61?

>>57020291
Ubuntu

>>57020291
7 works well on my maxed out x61t

>>57020227
Even with the shit battery? Also >>57020256
mentioned a recall. Is that still happening?

>>57020202
>several hundred dollars in
Damn how poor are you? Several hundred dollars for a fun little tinkering pc is cheap af

What's the best modern ThinkPad?

>>57020615
i like the T460s. but it probably spies on you.

>>57020291
windows 3.1

>>57020615
x260
Best battery life on a laptop period

>>57013447
X230T, Ubuntu 16.04, Unity

I own a standard T420, 320gb HDD' i5 2.5 ghz, 4gb ram. Can I put an SSD + an HDD on this laptop? I'm kind of unsure if I want only the SSD as this is my school laptop and I want it to last

i was planning on getting 8gb ram and maybe another processor but i'm a complete fuckwit so i have no idea how i'd go on about doing that. it's too slow to my liking, the boot time is pretty shit and when it comes off sleep mode it's just as slow.

can anyone offer me some advice on upgrading this laptop? i'm not very knowledgeable on computers, especially laptops.

>>57020941
Yes you can by using the optical drive slot. However if you use an mSATA SSD instead of the usual 2.5" SSD you can have msata ssd + ssd/hdd + ssd/hdd for a total of 3 drives simultaneously.

Adding ram is 2 screws at most, easy job. The limit is 2 8gb sticks for a total of 16gb ram.

CPU upgrading is also pretty easy and you have plenty of options, I'm using a quad core i7 myself.

P50s vs T460p for programming and light gaming? Leaning toward the p50s for the better temps and larger screen. [spoiler] I asked this in a previous version of the thread but it 404'd before I got to read any replies (if there were any) [/spoiler]

Or should I wait until the next line? Does that get revealed in January or some shit?

>>57020941
>>57020991
this

And in addition, don't put an HDD inside a laptop if you actually lug it around. (I've had two deaths before i learned my lesson)

>>57013025
you can fix this easily on a good OS

>>57020941
You are worried about the SSD for the space or the reliability?

Get a 850 PRO for the later, a good SSD is way more reliable than a HDD.
Specially because you dont have to worry about the HDD getting damaged for movement/falls.

Adding ram is easy, just remove the screws, plug in and screw back.
Thats it.

Should i get an x201? It Will my first thinkpad abd i will use it for learning in some distro

shieeeet i love my thinkpad X200

>>57021524
Not exactly, which is your current laptop?
You might find 1280x800 really small.

>>57020991
i'm assuming an i7 processor would be better because its better in general? i multitask between pdf, powerpoint and word docs + internet browsing among other shit. how's the temperature on it? i haven't check with mine yet but i don't want to burn my shit up.

>>57021041
ah, good to know. i should be safer with SSD only then? this is a laptop that gets hauled around a lot in between school and uni + everywhere else i might bring it along. maybe safer with two SSD's for reliability?

>>57021333
i am worried about SSD for reliability and I want faster speed in general; I don't want my shit to spontaneously stop working and lose my files. i don't plan on having much shit on there but i'm prettymuch typing all my notes so losing them would be pretty shit. also i will probably start to learn coding soon so i need something that isnt buttfuck slow, i hear compiling is a bitch. Should I buy two SSD's then? I bookmarked the one you linked me, so thank you for that


On a general note, should I look into a different model? I'm liking the T420 for everything it has so far but i'm scared about the upgrade possibilities, i think i read somewhere that laptop motherboards are not really replaceable, might be wrong though. Could I get usb 3.0 on this thing?

Thanks

>>57022145
SSDs are way more reliable than HDDs when it comes to laptop use, even low end ones.

What you have to worry about is who makes them and which one have problems.
But if a SSD didn't came with factory errors it will live for 5-10 years, high end ones way more.

850 PRO is a High end SATA SSD and is really reliable, and inside a laptop it would get really light use so you dont have to worry about it going bad.

850 EVO is a cheaper version, still really reliable and usually the most recommended.

There is a gap in reliability from those 2 SSDs to the rest but that doesn't mean the others are bad, but for something are cheaper.

Avoid Kingston and PNY SSDs overall.

>TLDR
If you wanna a really good SSD and some paranoid tier reliability get a 850 EVO or PRO.

>>57022145
>i'm assuming an i7 processor would be better because its better in general?
Well yes if you need the horsepower that is.

>i multitask between pdf, powerpoint and word docs + internet browsing among other shit.
Then it's not the cpu fault since the 2520m can handle that easily, your bottleneck seems to be the HDD.

>how's the temperature on it? i haven't check with mine yet but i don't want to burn my shit up.
My quad core i7 gets the same temperatures than when i had the stock cpu but some anons had worse temperatures, it depends.

I'm running msata ssd + hdd just fine but in my opinion occasional backups of your important files should be a common practice no matter the computer.

>i read somewhere that laptop motherboards are not really replaceable
Well this one it is.

>Could I get usb 3.0 on this thing?
Only via ExpressCard usb 3.0 ports, not the best solution though.

It's still better than usb 2.0 but worse than native 3.0

>>57022279
Alright, thank you very much for your input. I looked into the 850 PRO and bookmarked it, I'll look into EVO as well and decide then. I should probably look into a better motherboard + SSD for my desktop as well then, it's an old piece of shit too lol

>>57022311
I'll replace the ram and get an SSD and reevaluate if I need a new processor then. I think USB 2.0 will suffice for now, I don't have lots of stuff to back up anyways, just some schoolwork. I'll look into do's and don'ts of backing up shit elsewhere. Thank you for your input as well.


For the ram, is there anything I should know? The T420 can handle up to 16gb, right? Is there a reason I shouldn't get 16gb? If I'm to buy ram for this laptop, is there a specific brand I should get, or brands I should avoid? Should I get DDR3 or DDR4? I don't really know the difference. I read that the DDR4 is faster but I have no idea if my T420 can handle it, or if it just bottlenecks. Sorry for all these noob questions.

On a side note, what are good sources where I can learn about this stuff? I look it up on google generally when I have a question or doubt but the results are inconsistent. Maybe that's due to my poor researching skills though lol

Thanks again for all your help.

>>57022795
>For the ram, is there anything I should know?
One slot is in the back next to the msata slot (one screw) and the other is under the keyboard (one screw).

Also the T420 will downclock your ram to 1333mhz unless you use a custom bios, it's nothing noticeable or something to worry about though.

>The T420 can handle up to 16gb, right?
Yes, two 8gb sticks.

>Is there a reason I shouldn't get 16gb?
Not really, I'd get 16 outright since ram is sort of cheap.

>If I'm to buy ram for this laptop, is there a specific brand I should get, or brands I should avoid?
All ram is the same shit.

>Should I get DDR3 or DDR4?
DDR3/DDR3L.
You'll need SO-DIMM sticks of 1333MHz or 1600MHz DDR3 (PC3-10600 or PC3-12800) or DDR3L (PC3L-10600 or PC3L-12800), ddr3l uses 1.35v instead of 1.5v, both are compatible but if you get a 1600 MHz it'll downclock to 1333 MHz as i said above.

>On a side note, what are good sources where I can learn about this stuff?
google :^)

>>57023054
sounds good?

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231705

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147360&cm_re=SAMSUNG_850_PRO-_-20-147-360-_-Product

>>57023302
Yes both are fine.

I'd get an msata SSD instead of a 2.5" one to be able to use three drives if i need that much storage in the future but that's just me.

>>57023371
On crucial.com, after having installed and used their install software, i am told that my maximum memory is 8gb, 2 slots (2 banks of 1) and it says *Not to exceed manufacturer supported memory. Wtf do they mean by this? isnt the thinkpad able to support up to 16gb? 2 slots for 8gb each no?

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>>57015549
I know who I quoted. Re-read my post :p
My TLP config is just the default one. Haven't gotten around to tinkering with it and doubt I will seeing as how battery is fine for more than a days work. Had to add some stuff to GRUB in order to get suspend to work though, maybe that helps as well. Again, haven't really bothered to check as my goal was just to get suspend to work proper.
Many factors weigh into battery life though. HDD or SSD, mSATA or SATA SSD, your comfort level of display brightness, drivers, how and what work you do on your machine, if you have everything (BT, FP reader etc.) enabled. And I am probably forgetting some factors.

>>57016053
Read the buyers guide. -i models have lower specs (read: i3 instead of i5). That, and your other questions are all answered in the buyers guide(s) and/or can be found with a little research.

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>>57023439
>Wtf do they mean by this?
dunno

>isnt the thinkpad able to support up to 16gb? 2 slots for 8gb each no?
Yes, pic related my T420.

>>57023533
k bought

hopefully everything works out
thank you anons for your help

Should I get a gen 1 X1 Carbon i5-3427U/4096MB/128GB SSD for 400$?

>>57023771
yes

>>57012986
you can buy the t420 1080p mod adapter from 51nb forums

How does the keyboard on the X230 compare to the X220? I want to upgrade from my Sandy Bridge laptop to a newer CPU generation while getting something more portable and with better battery life but the X230 is the first model with the redesigned keyboard. Is the keyboard still better than other laptops out there?

Welp, I did it. Bought an x220. Should arrive in 2 days. What are the first things I should check? Bios PW, dead pixels, if all of the hardware is inside, battery capacity. Maybe a memtest. Apart from that?

Installing gentoo is for later.

>>57024515
Improved GPU and USB 3 support

>>57025168
Did you respond to the right post?

>>57013525
my 55++ model 9cell (old version) is still going strong after 5 years. i've asked the same question as you many times about the new model (70++) but nobody seems to have an answer.

keep in mind people are more likely to leave a review for a bad experience than a good one

>>57025580
I guess he did since he gave you the reasons for getting a X230 over a X220.

I personally think the X220's keyboard is better, with the chiclet keyboard being ok-ish as well. I tried it but it didn't have the same great feel as the X220's has.

>>57008031
I have an x220 but the screen gets really cramped with i3. Thinking of upgrading and selling this one, what does /g/ recommend?

I love the x220 for the battery life and portability - do you think the same screensize with a better resolution would fix the issue? bogs be down a bit when programming tbqh familia

What is the best thinkpad around $150-200 with an IPS display? Of course second hand.

>>57026044
Of course I know that the X230 is better than the X220, I'm specifically asking about the keyboard.

>>57026903
It's subjective. Some are fans, most of /tpg/ isn't

Why does my X230 perform so much better when on battery than my T420s with i7-2620m?

The i7-2620m goes down to 800MHz when on battery, and this i5 on my X230 goes to about 1198MHz

Does that 400MHz really make that big difference or what could make my X230 so much faster and smoother on battery compared to the T420s, 420 has 8GB of RAM and a better SSD too, while the X230 has worse SSD (V300) and 4GB of RAM, still performing much smoother

>>57009862
Yeah, thats what makes the T420 better than a Dell Latitude E6420 or HP Elitebook 8460p

>>57008798
What exactly are they trying to say?

>>57008973
Other than mint and top spec'd models, yeah they are pretty damn cheap, because of this year buyers have been slow at buying stuff.

>>57010378
W530 came with two GPUs, K2000 and K1000, maybe you got the lower unit?
I had a small problem on my friend's Alienware M18x from 2014, the machine would use the intel graphics instead of nVidia when I did benchmarking and gaming.
Optimus is weird at times, sometimes you'll have to manually set it, because it could be using the iGPU instead of dGPU.

would /tpg/ suggest a T460?

>>57011677
DankPad approved!

>>57012316
Yeah, I've learned to deal with em, especially with the yellowing around the edges of my T43p screen

>>57014553
I'm not sure but I'm waiting til the one on TPF gets ready.

>>57017828
They are legit from what I can tell.
No problems here.

>>57020202
Better than spending thousands for something slightly newer and possibly just as shite

>>57020246
>inb4 its made by lenovo
I love my T43p for its slightly thinner frame it had over the T60. Though the Pent M is severely limited nowdays, typing on that machine is great.

They have a good feel to them. very sturdy, just pick it up on both sides so you don't have to deal with the GPU chassis flex issue.

>>57020999
Wait a few months after the new ones come out, maybe you'll be able to snag a well spec'd P50 for a good price. I haven't been up to date with the release date information.

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My 8470p should arrive tomorrow.
I already have the 900p screen ready for the upgrade.

>>57023771
If non american, thats a great price.
if american, thats a good price.
Major flaw is no IPS screen.

>>57025019
I'd check if there are any broken USB ports first, then check battery capacity.

>>57026746
X220, maybe X230.
Just got a Helix for a little over $200

>>57027378
Performance from T430 and T420 seemed like night and day. IDK if it was because it had Windows 8 or what.

>>57008031
just ordered myself a T430 to replace my aging T400

any guides for swapping the KB from the T400 with functioning backlight? I can't stand chicklet keyboards senpai

>>57027780
Both run Win7 though, T420 is great when on AC, but its pretty damn sluggish on battery and X230 on the other hand works very well. Can 400MHz make that big difference or is it something else? Both have the same power plan in Power Manager etc.

It's just that the i7 goes all the way down to 800MHz, while the i5 in X230 goes to 1198 MHz

>>57027940
IIRC my T420 had similar issues (i5 though), which was remedied by uninstalling the PM driver, setting the machine to performance, reinstalling and then reinstalling your power management profiles.

>>57027940
I don't notice any difference in performance docked or on battery with my T420 with my personalized custom power plan. I upgraded the processor though.

Has anyone used a Thinkpad car power adapter?

>HP elitebook i5/4g of ram, 250gb, webcam and mic etc.
>snag it for 86 good boy points
>upgrade it to winders 10
>everything runs great
>gets a dead green pixel on the right hand side
>massage it a little bit, give it some love, you know, touch it where it hurts.
>green pixel goes back to a normal pixel

okay

>>57024079
>1080p mod adapter from 51nb forums
The problem is that the dude (re)selling them stopped a year ago, and the chinese wont ell them out of china, so I thought maybe if anyone had the schematics I could prototype one and if it worked, maybe I could make more.

>>57023905
>>57027780
But isnt the i5-3427u a shit processor?

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Anyone from Yuropoor ordered thinkpad from ebay.com (USA) ? I think I might start looking for a replacement for my t410, i'd like a x230 + docking station at some point. I think there's no point in going higher than x230/t430, right ?

Hi /tpg/
I finally fell for the meme too and got an almost mint x230 ips from a 2nd hand pc shop.
Pretty nice but it has a battery error so the battery won't charge. Gotta go back and try to get the battery exchanged.
The white ribbon stripe below the pcb in my pic is just tape, is that right? Its slightly crooked but if its just taoe its fine. I was suprised that the battery housing looks like this with the brown ribbon cables exposed, seems a bit dangerous.

Also my thinkvantage is black colored and my ports don't have any white icons aka usb icon DP icon etc. Are there two versions of the x230 or is mine just a newer version where they ditched the icons?

>>57020180
Doesn't matter how you handle a package if you make zero attempts to sort or deliver it, to begin with. USPS is outstanding.

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How'd I do?
Going to run Debian on it I think
First ThinkPad purchase, I need my other laptops functional so I wanted this for Linux messing around

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>>57028725
Forgot pic

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Is it too haram to buy the new lenovo ThinkPad 13? Im on the market for the best keyboard and screen possible, in terms of layout and viewing angles respectively

>>57028658
source on that image?
what happened?

>>57028818
office fire, i will try and find the link

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>>57028826
also another pic
everytime i post this shit there's a discussion its not possible...

Wasn't lenovo taking survey so they could make the "perfect" think-pad a year ago? What happened to that?

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>bought an X230
>i5, 128SSD, 8GB of RAM
>browsing and programming performance is literally the same as on my gaming rig except the screen is smaller
>the laptop was 1/6th the price of the PC
I got fucking cucked with the whole gaming thinh right?
I literally don't even play games anymore.

>>57028939
Yes

now get an used docking station for $10, plug it to a monitor and you have a desktop with the same performance but without the gaymen.

>>57029072
this

I'll mail you a docking station for a box of your favorite tendies

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Posted earlier in the thread and a few people said I would be overpaying, what would be the average and good prices to pay for this? Lightly used as a work computer for 2 years, includes charger, don't know anything about the battery.

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>>57029193
120$ USD, 150$ if there's a dock included

(guessing, canafag only familiar with monopoly money)

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Post mini pci express stuff

http://m.gearbest.com/laptop-accessories/pp_229101.html

I'm interested on making my lap able to play games at decent fps

>>57029312
>mini pcie
Enjoy having to open your laptop each time you want to gaymen.

Had my laptop stolen and really could use one for school. Looking to buy a used ThinkPad on Ebay so I can use Paypal Credit with financing to deal with the burden of the purchase later.

Budget:$250ish, can go over but unsure how much
Use: Runescape/school machine. Probably use it to do homework and browse the internet on the go. Portability is important, everything else is gravy.

>>57029452
>runescape
you can pick up a T43 for 30$ on ebay all day long

>>57029428
It takes a few seconds to undo one screw, no worries

>>57029452
>Portability is important, everything else is gravy.
X220 or X230.

>>57029477
But why when you have an ExpressCard slot to plug and play.

>>57029312

that's gonna blow up in your face

Specwise is the t430 a lot better than the t420?

>>57029466
Why's that one not on the buyer's guide?
>>57029504
Looking at the 220 right now, thanks for the tip

I have a X220 I5 8gb RAM 500gb SSD arriving tomorrow. Will I be happy with it?

>>57028781
Someone tell me if I overpaid lol, also how hard will it be to set up Ubuntu or Debian on it

>>57029578
I fucking love mine, you'll be fine!
Does it have an IPS panel? If not then that might bring it down

>>57015596
The IPS screen is really good. That's about it.

>>57028658
and any point in looking for the i7 ?

Hi, i have a huge problem with lenovo think pad.. I brought dock station for my t410 and after i plug in the external monitor to the station notebook doesn't display red color on a that monitor. I read that it's a problem with T410 not the station and now i'm pissed off... 2 months ago i tried to clean the fan and there was a problem with it. You cannot clean it, you can only buy another one. This is sick for me. Are there similiar notebooks that don't cause problems? I mean Dell ones or HP.

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>>57029770

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>>57029791
It's not a bait.. i'm just fucking disappointed because i paid for something that should work and it doesn't. Anyone have this same issue?

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Just got a W530 and upgraded to an SSD. What are some other mods/upgrades I could do? I was considering getting a new keyboard.

Since prices are pretty whack over here in europoorland, I was going to pick one o fthe less powerful machines. I'm only going to use it to do some office work on the train, maybe watch some weeb cartoons, but that's pretty much it. I'm just having trouble deciding between the x220 or x201.

I'm probably not going to go for a T410 or T420, since portability and battery life are the most important here. Portability would probably not be a huge issue, but the T series battery life is worse than the X series, right?

Also found a X131e with AMD E2 1,7GHz and a 128gb ssd for about 150 euro. The guide doesn't really mention it at all though. Any opninions on this?

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>>57029661
Does this look IPS? I think so

>>57030256
Yeah, it sure does!

>>57030320
Niceee. I wanted an i7 version tho, but here in Spain there are none. I've heard the difference in performance in relation to the i5 is minimal, am I right?

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>>57029949
if you can't clean your thinkpad, get out of /g and go back to tumblr or /r/lgbt!

>>57030341
Yeah it's no big difference, and I've seen people on here complaining about high temps on the i7 even after repasting.

Btw guys, I don't know much about hardware but:
Those 5 year old (second-hand) laptops, won't suffer from deterioration? Specially the CPU and its fan, how much time is this component supposed to last? I doubt that it would last 10 years or so. That would mean that for us, second-hand buyers, the life of our thinkpads wont reach 5 years.
Am I wrong? Do they last more?

>>57030432
get out already

>>57030446
Please, I'm just wondering, as I said I don't know shit about hardware. It isn't that way?

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>>57030346
I cleaned but it was fucked up because Lenovo puts plastic rivets in the fan to protect it from cleaning... I removed them and after cleaning i tape up the whole fan.

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>>57030512
i've cleaned my t410 a couple of times and there were no plastic rivets. just had to change the fan of mine

>>57030531
Wait, so were there any screws in your t410 fan? Or how it's connected to the copper/steel part. In my case there was something like this:

http://laptopbattery-buy.com/images/img3/IBM%20Lenovo%20T410%20T410I%20CPU%20FAN.jpg

I cleaned many notebooks and this was the first one that haven't got any screws. Maybe i'm wrong but in my case there were plastic rivets with glue or something at the bottom.

>>57030615
there are supposed to be two small screws right where yours has rivets...

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>>57030615
>>57030633

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>>57020874
It has a fucking retarded keyboard layout. Just look at this shit
>Fn+End as Insert
>Removal of media keybinds in favor of redundant Windows ones.
>No more dedicated volume mute up and down and microphone mute buttons
X230 was acceptable but X240 just went fuck my shit up

>>57030256
Mine looks the same by the side like that and it isn't IPS. Twist it towards you and if colors get all fucked up then it's not an IPS

>>57030633
Well there were no screws it it..

But now i have bigger problem. I don't want to pay service for removing old notebook/dock connector and put new one or buy another main board and just change it.

So I'm thinking about changing the whole notebook for something that's not as annoying as my t410.
I was thinking about adding 8gb of ram to it but now after that incident with dock station i don't know what to do. Seriously i need something that will give me ability to connect two external monitors and hide cables from my desk like a dock station with ports behind the connected notebook.

What kind of battery life can I expect on a t410/420? I'm going to spend some time in places where I'm not guarenteed to have a plug for the charger for several hours, so I'm wondering if I shouldn't go for an X201 or X220 instead.

>>57030969
i think i get around 3hrs with my 9cell chink battery, maybe up to 4 if i downclock the video with nvidiaInspector (i even wrote a small gui for it)

>>57030969
80% 6 cell I got ~4h if not watching YouTube videos

>>57030984
Hmm, so with most secondhand batteries I'd probably get less than that.

Do the x201 or x220 get much better battery life than that? I'm not sure I want to lug around a T410/20 with a 9 cell battery all the time in these cramped underground archives.

>>57029569
Not "a lot" really but since it has ivy bridge instead of sandy bridge the iGPU is somewhat better, oh and usb 3.0 but worse keyboard layout.

>>57030969
I get ~6h from my Chinese T420 9 cell, around 10h if idling.

>>57030812
He did say modern thinkpads and all those are take it up the ass tier.
At least it offers something older thinkpads didn't have, a ridiculous battery life.
Plus it still has a rollcage.

>look on ebay for a cheap thinkpad
>europe reseller prices are high
>auctions sometimes go for lower, but all of these britbongs ask 30 pounds of postage which makes it almost as expensive as a reseller
>US prices are pretty good, but postage + customs make them the most expensive option of all

Truly, this is suffering

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https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-T400-T500-and-newer-T/T410-docking-station-issue-VGA-external-monitor-flashes/td-p/408669/page/2

Well i think this is my last Lenovo notebook. This is unacceptable. So i have a good advice for you guys. If you want to buy think pad t410 you should check if it's working with all lenovo features like dock station by counting fucking dock pins and pins that are in notebook :V Anyway thanks for help or whatever

>>57016841
I'd put my money on 5 hours. Older laptops sucked in terms of power efficiency, and you'd only be able to get either an OEM battery that now sucks out of age, or a chinese knockoff one that sucks because chinese knockoff, although they're underrated from what I hear.

And what model is it?

>>57018689
Maybe if it were $30 bucks with free shipping. What do you plan on doing with it?

>>57020077
What is this even?

>>57031647
T40?
Right now it has a battery that charges up to 28% and lasts 55 minutes while fucking around

Logically it should get about 3 hours with a topped up battery, but i'd only use this to take notes on nano/vim

I have three roughly working batteries, do you think i could break out a multimeter and slap together a working one with the decent cells?

>>57031618
ha, my external monitor also started flashing or puslating, but mostly on dark/gray background.
but it does that since a month or so

>>57029452
>$250
>financing

God fucking damn even I wasn't that much of a poorfag in school. In fact that's pretty much what I made from a week's worth of part time work. Unless you're facing down a $1,000+ purchase, just use cash.

As for your needs, you could do very well with a used X200, which can easily be had for $120 or less depending on specs and condition. If you can sacrifice a little portability, a T400 would give you more screen real estate, and costs about the same. You could also get them with a dedicated card, but honestly it is completely worthless for any game made after 2011.

>>57008031
just a little question for us living in Europe : are Thinkpads supposed to be significantly cheaper for us than for the US ?

I've found a used X220 for 180€ and a X230 for 250€.

Are those normal prices, higher than usual or acutally really interesting ?

I might actually fall for the ThinkpadTM meme..

>>57028781
>no SSD
Did ok. Debian and Ubuntu literally just works. In Debian you just have to enable two-finger scrolling in the mouse settings, and of course supply the iwlwifi firmware from debian's nonfree repo because ofc there's no foss driver for the wifi card.

I bought a T430, and the fan is always working at around 3700 rpm and making noises, is that normal or should i do something? (What?, options besides tech support)

So, I just migrated my Arch on a T420 from a stock WD Black to an okay-level crucial SSD. Got btrfs set up, pretty happy with it.

What I've noticed however is that the EFI vars seem to be shadowed. I could only delete boot entries from BIOS and only add new ones by setting one of my added entries to BootNext and then rebooting. Is that just efibootmgr being bad or is the EFI firmware actually shit?

>>57031975
>take heatsink assembly off CPU/GPU
>clean off old thermal paste
>replace with thermal paste or paste pad
>replace heatsink

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guess what is inside these boxes~

>>57032092
Your Ex's head and limbs

>>57031937
Those were good prices. A whole year ago.
You should look into 150€ for the X220 and 200€ for the X230.

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>>57032092
>>57032112
Nope, anon baka~

>clean off old thermal paste
>replace with thermal paste or paste pad
>replace heatsink

Oh shit... Never done that, and I don't think I want to start with my "new" laptop...

>>57032177
literally why

>>57032281
you don't want to conduct preventative maintenance on your '''''''''''''''''''''''''new'''''''''''''''''''''''''' laptop?

>>57032170
Okay, thanks anon

>>57032295

The fact that I have never done this and I am afraid to start doing this kind of maintenance in my """""""""""""""""""new"""""""""""""""""""""""" laptop means that I am not tpg deserving?

>>57032283
because mashiro-tan a cutie!!!

>>57031975
>I bought a T430, and the fan is always working at around 3700 rpm and making noises
That ain't normal, not even my upgraded quadcore t420 does that.

Have you checked temperatures, dust or something?

>>57032411

temp around 40s, up to 50s, 60s only when put it to work hard. Haven't checked dust.

>>57032484
Temps looks fine, try using tpfancontrol to manually set the fan RPM.

>>57032177
>nendoroid
lol

>>57031913
When i searched fix for my problem i found fix for yours. All you have to do is to change in nvidia settings external monitor 'Digital Vibrace' to 50. I don't know if it works but it was marked as solved on SuperUser.

⌂

Fell for the thinkmeme & bought a X230t on Sunday. Pricey @ $275 but it came with a 9-cell, a Win10 license, and next-day shipping.

Very comfy. Keyboard is responsive in my opinion but I don't have a 220 to check against. Backlight bleed's a bit annoying but nothing severe.

Could've gone for the X220t I guess, but wanted Ivy Bridge for the USB 3 & reduced power consumption/heat.

I have a lot of spare parts sitting around so I already put in 8G wams & an 850 EVO. Plan on upgrading the wireless to AC but haven't disassembled it properly yet.

Any tips on what to do after?

Got my first ThinkPad for just $120. It's a W530. I'm loving the keyboard, speed and TrackPoint. My only complaint is that the screen is TN and despite having an i7 and NVIDIA Quadro K2000 GPU, 3D performance is fucking horrid.

Should I get a different model? Can I put a classic-style keyboard or an IPS display into it?

>>57010378
Try installing the new feature drivers from Nvidia. Lenovo ships the enterprise ones that don't perform as well.

>>57033278
do this
>>57033531
and also set up Optimus manually, using integrated by default and setting programs to use the dedicated card individually. The auto-detection is shit and almost never works for the programs you want it to.

No IPS display, but the 1080p screen is incredibly good for TN. Fantastic colors and even serviceable viewing angles. Not on the level of IPS of course, but a far cry from the trash in the T420/T430.

Has anybody elses mousepad worn out?

Should I just order some chinese stickers and call it a day?

>must upgrade muh ThinkPad

I just bought an IdeaPad 300 series laptop last night. Came with 8GB RAM and an i5 out of the box. Only drawback is the onboard Intel HD Graphics chip. It was a steal for $450, and no upgrades necessary. Pretty good for muh vidya.

>>57033717
>mousepad
what

>>57033825
touchpad*

>>57033832
get one or a couple of these aliexpress.com/item/touchpad/32599973070.html

Bought a x220T for 150ish usd, what's better, OS on msata or ssd? I'm trying to decide which one should i get first? If msata, any recommendations? I don't want anything expensive since i have to get a ultrabase yet, so I'm not going for 850 evo or something like that

>>57033907
msata if you want 2 drives, 2,5" if you don't.

>any recommendations?
KingDian M280, tested and memed by /csg/

The S280 is the 2.5" counterpart.

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X220T

Y / N

>>57034024
y

>>57034024
if you can live without USB 3, sure

Hi,
I recently found and old IBM Thinkpad T21 (2647) lying around home, and would like to try and use it. It seems to already have 512MB of RAM (max), but only has a 10GB HDD. I'm considering installing Arch, and trying to create a lightweight i3wm environment to use for simple web browsing, etc. What would you guys recommend?

>>57034306
Windows ME, runescape and bonzai buddy

>>57034344
It actually has ME on it atm. haha
Btw, can an 8MB GPU run runescape?? 0_o

>>57034382
AFAIK the original runescape was Java based, entirely CPU driven. not sure about the re-release

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>>57033735
>IdeaPad 300

>>57034425
oh, ok then. Anyway, I dont really think that's what I want to do with it though... xDD

>>57018547
>>57017735
Thanks, senpai.

The isos I downloaded worked with the product code they gave me, so I have a fresh Windows now and sweet dual boot X201.

>>57029613
You did OK
Ubuntu is easy, Debian medium, expect no wifi on Debian

Just use Ubuntu MATE

I am kind of torn between the t460s and the carbon X1. I don't really need a ton of performance, it's mainly for web development. 16 gb or more ram will be required, though. Any opinions or experiences?

>>57033735
>mfw i bought my t420 to replace the 300's predecessor, the G50-80.

Congrats on buying a really shitty laptop i guess.

What's the best modern Thinkpad?


>Inb4 there are none

where are my t440p bros at?

>>57035564
x1 = get cucked

>>57035621
t460s

>>57035621
there are none

>>57035621
Define modern.

>>57035656
>x1 = get cucked

Is there a certain reason for that? You seem to tend towards the t460s

Hey /g/ go I really need the Lenovo PM service?

Or does the windows power service is just fine.

is it responsible for the cpu speedsteping and wifi power and such?

Of course I need low energy consumption, but do I really need it? What does it offer?

>Should there be a custom program to adjust power settings? I can't find one, Running the installation exe, just installs the service and nothing else?

>>57035700
>can't upgrade ram
>it's ddr3
>muh thinness = shit keyboard

>>57035692
Modern as in being sold on their official website right now

>>57035845
Yer fucked.

>>57035656
is the T460 /g/ approved?

>>57035859
it's decent enough

New thread:
>>57036009

>>57029504
If the gd expresscard trinkets would work

>>57028803

Just sold my T420 to get a Thinkpad 13. Gave it a try and it feels solid. Would have liked a backlit keyboard tho.

>>57036643
mine does perfectly

>>57035859
I'd say so. Especially the T460P with the 1440P display

So my lap has no express card slots but it has a free mini pciexpress port that was unused but wwan ready.

Would the beast gpu thing work on it? I need to give this 6 year old laptop new life