/pcbg/ - PC Building General

What should I be looking for when buying a 1151 motherboard to overclock an i7-6700K? Any motherboard recs?

>>56590298
At least 6 power phases+2 redundant for the least amount of money possible.
And no, you do not need Crossfire or SLI support because you're 92% likely never to need it.

>>56589598
I just checked Jet.
200 bucks average for a 6GB windforce 1060 with the Triple15 code used.

Fuck it, I'm registring and ordering around black friday.

Mobo, CPU, and GPU, here I come.

How easy is it to install windows 10? Like once all the physical parts are assembled, what do I do then?

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Just finished my first build! This thread was extremely helpful, I would not have been able to do it without you guys. How did I do?

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Reposting from >>56575143

Like a lot of people here I'm new to building. I tried to put together with a helping hand of a couple lads a build for video and photo editing, animation, arguably fast compiling for programming and responsive file management. I don't do much gaming but it'd be nice to get some good performance for when I do play.

If it was up to me, I'd want my build to be as small as possible so I can keep the thing on my desk (cleaning ladies are savages when brooming and my roomies aren't exactly respectful) but I'm not sure if a Mini-iTX build will get hot easily and/or be easy for a newcomer to put together, let alone that I don't know if it will all fit.

Otherwise, I have this MidTower build. I'm not confident if it will work/fit fine, also I can't decide on the cases. My budget 1,600 (including peripherals). Opinions?

Mini-iTX attempt
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/wDbdHN
MidTower attempt
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZGvmD8

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Any advice on shipping, anyone?

If I choose my parts on Amazon I am able to get the handling and shipping of my parts by what appears no name Chinese brands.

The thing is that I can get ridiculously low prices with this guys. For example, a Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO would either cost me about $14 + $8 shipped from a brand called "Tan FroM China" or fucking $37 + $0 shipped from Amazon.

It's a big price difference, but is getting the shipping done from a trustworthy name like Amazon worth the extra buck?

>>56590577
Get windows 10 on a CD, and then get the PC to boot from the CD drive in the boot menu.


Also, I've got a stripped Dell Studio 540 Case, and just about found out everything on it is replaceable.

Good idea to save money by not getting a new case+disk drive?

Also, I'm pretty sure there's USB 3.0 ports out there for me to replace the USB 2.0 ports on it.

These are the parts I'm hoping to slap into it.

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/DvcPFd

Mostly a gaming setup to last me for a while, maybe upgrade to ZEN when/if it drops in price, and generally for ARMA 3, etc.

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>>56590733
Will the Winpolice find out if I steal their Windows 10?

>>56590754
No, I did this today.

You can install windows 10 without a code, when installing you just click the "I don't have an authentication number", and it lets you install anyway.

They want money from the ads they push on windows 10

>have modest setup, nothing special
>considering upgrading both monitor and gpu
>saw friend's 1440p, 144hz monitor and 1070 today
>games look really nice, but not $1000+ worth
i don't know anymore. when is it no longer possible to ignore diminishing returns? when does it no longer make sense to keep upgrading? I just can't see the point in spending so much for marginal improvement

>>56590786
Depends on what you have.

I was >>56586621 and while I don't have a legit PC(poasting from toaster latitude laptop), like hell I'm gonna spend 100 for a GPU that's basically the same.

Yeah, VRAM is double, but considering ARMA 3 was somewhat okay last year, I'm fine with that.

>>56590659
Your psu is upside down

>>56590577
Use other computer to go to Microsoft website and "create installation media" onto a 4GB USB
Use that USB to boot new computer
Probably need the installation code (which you probably have to pay for)
Microshaft wangblows yo

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http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Erickazo99/saved/L6Q7P6
This is gonna be my first build, peripherals are not set in stone. Getting it mostly for gaming. How does it look?

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/F9JTnn

Parts like CPU cooler and Motherboard are placeholders. Rough list but plan to get a build just as identical.

>>56590833
Oh, you're right, I guess they're usually for top mounted PSUs.

Thank you. I never would of thought that.

>>56590701
Can you link that? I don't see it.

>>56591036
I can't believe people are willing to pay that much for a CPU cooler. Also that GPU is overpriced. Find another model that's $220 or something close to that.

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>>56591085
I'm buying from Amazon Spicland, so maybe that's probably the prices are so fucked.
https://www.amazon.com.mx/gp/offer-listing/B005O65JXI/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new

>>56591151
I don't know how things work in Mexico, but you should be able to return the item and get your money back if they don't send you what you ordered. It's worth a try.

>>56591198
From what I understand if the Chinks fuck up your order you can still complain to Amazon so it'll spank the Chinks.
Still one friend with a build tells me to get it from Amazon exclusively, another tells me to go for the lower deal, another tells me to wait 'till fucking Christmas. God, what do I do?

>>56590772
But then what happens? Do they send the FBI swat if you don't activate it with a code in 14days?

what's a comparable gpu to the r9 290x? i fucking hate the one i own currently, and i think it might be dying so i want to shill it off on ebay so i can make more of a decent return before it officially kicks the bucket. pos is currently idling at 58c too, has been noisy as shit since i got it, overall terrible experience and just want to replace it with something comparable(probably an nvidia card)

>>56591460
Is it under warranty? Send it to the manufacturer if it is. Don't be an asshole and sell broken shit under the pretense that it works.

>>56590577
Easy, use USB media if you can. DVD is for plebs https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10/
Just skip the serial step and you can activate using KMSpico

>>56590681
Looks good. If you're really worried about temps get a liquid CPU cooler and exhaust the heat directly out of your case.

If it's your first build I'd say ATX or microATX just to avoid frustration

>>56590701
>Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO would either cost me about $14 + $8 shipped from a brand called "Tan FroM China"
Probably a knockoff, also shipping from China can take a while.

>>56590826
>GTX 560 = RX 460
You ain't foolin anyone. You think a fucking 40nm process GPU is anything close to a 14nm process GPU? GTFO

Also ARMAIII is a three year old game. Of course your 560 can run it.

>>56591460
Like the other anon said, RMA if possible. Comparable GPU would be 470/480/1060

>>56591374
Use KMSpico newbi

>>56591036
You need a Z170 mobo for an unlocked CPU

>>56591012
Don't bother with an unlocked CPU
Change 380x for 470; $195 is way too much for a 380x
Get a 2x 4GB RAM kit, 3000MHz
Consider a 144Hz Freesync monitor, otherwise any old used 1080p 60Hz monitor will do

>>56591012
>http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Erickazo99/saved/L6Q7P6
can easily knock that motherboard down to about 110$
fairly overpriced for what you're putting in it
but if you knock your price up another hundo or two get a 250~ monitor and more recent gpu could possibly run 1440

>>56591703
kmspi.co ??
B-But anything that easy and simple m-must be a trap

>>56591800
https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/comments/3h6gsk/is_microsoft_toolkit_safe_to_use/
second comment:
https://forums.mydigitallife.info/threads/28669-Microsoft-Toolkit-Official-KMS-Solution-for-Microsoft-Products
download torrent

it works perfect, I just did it. It also activates Microsoft office if you get that too.

>reddit

>>56590298
Gigabyte ga z170m d3h is my current mobo

>>56590754
Kinguin
Look up windows
$25

>>56591942
Sonofabitch
Does it work? Are you using the old school PCI slot for anything?

>>56592003
Wifi adapter

>>56592013
On Windows 10? I'm scared to get one because every review everywhere says there's huge compatibility issues with any PCI wirelesser

>>56592030
You don't have to use it for that
Use a sound card with it or something

>>56592061
Are you using Windows 10 with it though? Which one is it? I just need to find one that I can be sure works
I have an external dac and have all the I/O I need, I don't know what to do with the 3rd slot pci

>>56592079
I don't use the pci

building pc for the first time, how did I do boys http://pcpartpicker.com/list/zDVZJV

>>56592118
A 1070 is more than enough for that display monitor, and you probably don't need a 6700k and could drop it to a 6600k
An air cooler is just as good as quiet as cool, cheaper and lasts longer than liquid cooling
Not bad otherwise

http://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/pdyRKZ

This is what I'm planing to upgrade my 8 years old system with.
GPU is still open.

So, my two concerns:
Is the M2 SSD properly supported by the MSI board?
Can the 6600K handle 3200 XMP properly? RAM was picked from the list on MSI's website.

I wanted a pretty damn silent cooler since I don't like a noisy computer, but I've no clue if I overdid it with the Noctua since it is quite pricey.

Any suggestions for the GPU (nothing high-end) or changes altogether? The system shouldn't go above 1000€ and the shipping cost can be ignored since Mindfactory is shipping everything for free.

Thanks.

>>56592146
I want to run games at over 144 frames at 1440p, and im ocing

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>>56592149
I spy an m2 slot
yes z170 mobos can use 3200mhz ram
Noctua is good but the $30-40 CPU aircoolers are just as good imo
I'd say a 1070 because it looks similar to my build and that's what I have and really no other reason than that

>>56592118
As the other anon said, the 1080 is a bit of a waste.
Get a 2TB HDD
>>56592163
Are you suggesting DSR? because that's a 1080p monitor

>>56592163
Oh I thought that was a 1080p monitor. A 1070 would still be fine for over 60fps 1440p maxed out
A good and cheap aircooler is still perfect even with overclocking
Either way drop to a 6600k if you don't constantly use programs that support hyperthreading

>>56592163
>>56592248
Wait that is a 1080p monitor
What are you doing senpai

I just bought a 4k monitor (LG 27UD68), old gpu is having trouble keeping up.
Do I save for a GTX 1080, get an RX 480 or something else entirely? $1000 australian pesos seems like a bit much for a gpu

>>56592282
1070

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When I'm gaming my CPU is hovering at 48-50*C, and briefly peaks at 54-55*C. I'm using the stock intel cooler on my i5 6400.

That's slightly too hot right? Get pic?

>>56591942
what's your overclock and your cpu cooler?

i'm looking for a suitable cooler to achieve 4.6ghz at least, 4.7/4.8ghz if possible

>>56591929
Ok. Thanks I will do it. Can't be too careful, that's all.

>>56592282
save for a gtx 1080. you bought a 4k monitor so you better be prepared to buy a good GPU if you expect to achieve 60fps

i got mine from newegg for just below $900 AUD

>>56592310
That's a bit warm. Might be worth it to upgrade your cooler. Also might be an issue with your case's airflow.

>>56592310
It's fine, don't worry.

>>56592361
I'm over here. >>56590659 (I did flip the PSU so it's pointing out the bottom vent, I also moved one wire)

>>56592310
those temps are fine. if you want to throw money at something try a non-poorfag CPU

>>56592198
I was more thinking about system stability with the 3200 in combination with the 6600K.
1070 throws me quite a bit over my budget, though.

I guess I could wait with the M2 since I do own a normal SSD.

I also have this cooler lying around at home, would that suffice?
http://www.alpenfoehn.de/en/cpu-cooler/bennevis

>>56592384
Is there any way to move the fan on the front up more so the drives aren't obstructing it as much? Other than that it seems fine.

>>56592310
You'll get lower temps with any decent cooler but those are completely fine. 80 Celsius point is when you should start worrying and you have a wide margin for that.

Better cooler world only cost like 30 dollars but the main benefit would be noise reduction rather than temps.

>>56591374
You can use it as long as you want. They limit some features tho, like desktop customization.

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http://pcpartpicker.com/list/FpTVWX

$284.13 after taxes
$10-15 ish in gas driving to stores
a shitload of hours finding all the parts for the lowest prices
i still have like $15 in rebates coming back to me

all the parts should be here thursday. im pretty excited

>>56592523
>integrated graphics
What are you even gonna use this for?

>>56592523
>$284.13 after taxes
Is that USD? If so good job. You'll probably want a hard drive if you don't already have one though

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http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/GdsBLD

Is this overkill? I plan on keeping it for 4 years, mainly for gaming and media on a 34". The system will be custom watercooled, and cpu overclocked (hence higher psu).

My main questions are: Are 2 GPU's worth it, or should I just go with one TitanX?

Should I ditch all the ram?

Cheers

>>56592574
Baffling anons like you

>>56592453
That's smart, I think the box says it's possible too. I'll do it.

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>>56592585
What are you compensating for?

>>56592585
Yes. You'd be fine with one 1080. Also, that 900D's gonna be mighty roomy. Why not 800D?

>>56592592
Fuckin baffled man. But really, you could probably pick up something cheap as fuck to take some of the load off the cpu. You bought 8GB of RAM when you probably only need 4, so that's my main source of confusion.

>>56592577
yep usd. micro center had this bomb deal on the i3 and mobo combo. 30 bucks off if i bought them together and they were already much cheaper than anywhere else. id totally recommend them

i will eventually get a hard drive and a gpu. but for now this baby will get me by

>>56592574
casual computing with room to upgrade

>>56592585
Single card is always better than SLI if the power is comparable, which it is
Also it's way overkill

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Hey, guys.
Do you think that the extra 4GB of VRAM is important? 4GB is probably the minimum I'd get right now since my current card has 2GB, but I am unsure how useful 4 vs 6 vs 8 will really be.
My current card tanked in Mirror's Edge 1 minimum settings, so realistically I would like to be able to play 1-2 year old games at medium/high settings at 1080p.

I currently have this so far. http://pcpartpicker.com/list/cc3MVY

>>56592656
Thanks. I went with the 900D since it supports more in terms of water-cooling- I ain't doing the custom job, so not sure how much room the guy needs to work with, but cheers for bringing it up.

You sure 1 Titan will last 3-4 years?

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>>56592656
>Fuckin baffled man. But really, you could
>you
I'm not him, I was only pretending

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hey guys, could you help me out here? im trying to make a red team computer just for fun, and this is the components i got so far

MB_: Gigabyte GA-990FX
CPU: AMD FX-8350
GPU: AMD RX 480 (X2)
SSD: AMD R3 480GB

so for ram, should i go with AMD R5 or Performance Edition ? Whats the difference between the two? best regards

>>56592687
Thanks, if its overkill, what do you suggest?

>>56592794

change that Gigabyte to Asus Pro Gaming 970 Aura,it has a good vrm and features

sadly Asus is the only one that makes decent AMD-motherboards these days
and use any 2400 Mhz ram sticks,only two though,AMD boards have issues with 4 sticks above 1600 Mhz

>>56592261
yea whoops, guess ill just max games at 1080

>>56592248
im video editing and streaming too

>>56592708
You should be just fine GPU-wise then.

>>56592773
Pascal? Pretty darn, yeah. Progress has slowed for sure. If you can afford twin 1080's though, do it, although you most likely will only need 1, even down the road. My rig is 6 years old now, and this year was the first when I started having to run aaa games on low settings to get 40-60 fps.

>>56592776
Yeah, I noticed that after the real one posted. Got me.

>>56592794
Wait until Zen to make that Team Red Beast, also the 490 will be out by then

>>56592828
ive heard bad things about how 970 chipset motherboards handles 8 core AMD processors
the 970 basically means no chance of overclocking right?

>>56592803
A Z170/1151 motherboard/CPU setup instead of X99/2011-v3, so maybe a 6700k CPU or go 6600k to save even more, probably a smaller non-EATX motherboard, a cheaper lower wattage PSU (even NVidia recommends a minimum of just 600w for the Titan, 1200 is bonkers)
The new pascal Titan X can hold up maxed 4K games at a constant 60fps. If you think that'll be outdated in 4 years then you can go ahead and buy more

>>56592850

you can overclock with it really well,it has a good power delivery to the cpu and good features.

that gigabyte one will fry itself after a time and has a extremely buggy bios,amds processors are extremely demanding for the vrm of the board

Can anyone recommend me a good 5.0 ghz wireless card?
What will I need to connect it?

Do I point the CPU cooler toward the left (outside of the case, there would also be another cooler there blowing the hot air out of the tower) or the right (RAM)?
I've seen people pointing it toward the RAM, I don't understand why you would blow the hot air in that direction.

>>56592868
Great, cheers

>>56592913
It's probably either pushing air or pulling air through the heatsink, it always should be leaving the case though

>>56592894
PCIe slot is probably best

>>56592708
4GB will be enough considering consoles have 8GB shared for video + system. If you want to be mustard race get 8GB. RotTR and newer Mirror's Edge are two obvious examples that have Ultra settings that require more than 4GB of VRAM

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Do you guys think I can install a fan in the red square?
Photo is kind of dark but it isnt mine

>>56593199
Why wouldn't you be able to? That would be an extremely basic case mod

Looking for a good and silent 120mm fan for tower heat exhaustion; is the Noctua NF-S12A PWM a good choice?

>>56593242
I am not too familiar with pc assembling but i thought that slot is too close to where the mobo should be.

>Refurbished 4k monitors came in
>nothing wrong with them at all
im glad but what the fuck do i do with all these pixels

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Same guy as before. I plotted the CPU temp over a couple games of Overwatch.

It's actually getting over 60*C at times. I think I'll get the 212 tomorrow.

>>56593312
It's just blowing hot air outside, as long as it's possible to put it there after the assembly, it's a go.

>>56593199
Also forgot to ask, what are some thin fans that also has dusk filter?

>>56593328
For productivity: More windows on the screen at once.

Gaming: Less need for AA.

For movies: Bigger screen!

>>56593343
You're an idiot.

>>56593370
What I do wrong?

>>56593379
People who overclock their CPUs are over 75 degrees all the time at load. 60 degrees is a cool load temp. Stop wasting your money.

>>56593387
oh I see. I was more thinking of asking my friend if he has a spare is what I meant.

>>56593379
Do not listen to this moron: >>56593387

Every 10C increase in average operating temps reduce electronics' lifetime by half. If you can afford a 212 (and it IS cheap) and it will help reduce your temps and noise, go for it!

>>56593414
>Every 10C increase in average operating temps reduce electronics' lifetime by half.

Because you want to keep your i5 for 20-30 years? Can't tell if you're retarded or just a tightass

>>56593472
Hey, you want to be an extremist, try this: Why don't you run your CPU without a HSF at all? Keeping things cooler is not needed, right? So what if it dies after a few days... you are not a tightass... are you?

>>56593497
>keeping your CPU for less than 20 years is considered "extremist"
lmao

>Why don't you run your CPU without a HSF at all? Keeping things cooler is not needed, right?
why don't you move the goalposts some more and exit this thread? you're an embarrassment

Hey guys, wasn't there a problem with 970s recently? Like they were issuing $30 refunds or some shit? I found a pre built deal with a 970 but I won't buy it if it's only cheap cos of some problems with the 970.

Well guys, I'm reading posts that are saying even 65-70 are just on the edge of not a problem.

And I don't know, I might hit those temps in something like GTAV, but for now I'll stick with stock. I'll ask my friend if he has a better one lying around, I think there's a good chance he might. The fucking 212 costs $38 canadian, so I'll wait and see what he has... fucking hate my stupid maple syrup money...

>>56593575
If you are broke, get the M9i or M9a (depending on your socket). Those should be cheaper, even in Canadia.

>>56593567
The refund was because a lawsuit for the >3.5 jewery of nvidia and USA only.

>>56593497
Hes right though, aftermarket coolers are for dumbfucks.

>>56593602
Is the 3.5 its only problem though?

>>56593609
If you want to reduce noise and CPU temps, you get an after market cooler.

>>56593615
Yes, the 970 is stil a very good card for decent money. The lawsluit was because nvidias false advertisig.

>>56593655
This dude selling his build put an i5 6600 and 970 3.5GB on a H110 mobo. Is this ok? I never plan to crossfire/sli or add 50 harddrives though.

>>56593711
It is fine, as long as the price is very cheap. Remember: The 970 is now obsolete as a purchase, if the price is anywhere close to MSRP.

>>56593711
If you can get the parts for a good price, sure. But i'd compare 1xxx and 9xx prices first.

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/Qx6dHN

How is it?

I can't figure out what's wrong with my motherboard and what case should I get because it's telling me that the cooler and case aren't compatible?

Also, it's my first build and I'm mainly using my PC for gaming namely fps and mmos and browsing the internet.

>>56593796
The mobo is overpriced and if it says cooler and case arent compatible it means your case is too small for it....

>>56593880
Well I heard that EVGA is the best mobo and does that mean I have to get a full case then?

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Should I just run it on """OC""" all the time. MSI RX 480.

>>56593892
Do you really think its a good idea to build your own pc if you dont know the basics?

>>56593921
I suppose that's why I'm here, eh? ;)

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>tfw spend two and half hours building PC for first time
>go to boot it up
>monitor is blank

REEEE WHAT DID I DO WRONG?
the only thing my build is missing is ram because it got shipped seperately. I at least wanted to install my OS. What did I do wrong?

>>56593962
You need ram for the pc to work buddy.

>>56593962
>the only thing that is missing is RAM

This is like having a baby and going like "Well the only thing missing is its liver, why isn't it breathing?"

>>56593927
Building your pc is not only picking the parts, you have to asemble them as well. I recommend you to do your research first. Go on logicalincrements, they have good guides, builds, vids, etc. for beginners.

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>>56593980
>>56593989
cucked by newegg. RAM is arriving Friday and I already gutted my old PC. REEEEEEE WHY DO I HAVE TO BE RETARDED

>>56593962
>>56594008
>autism

>>56594008
>>56593962
You have no fucking idea bro. I had to go through some intense bullshit to get my graphics card package. Puralator literally lied to me 6 times in a row on the phone and in person.

Y'all got any of dem mATX case recommendations?
>nothing too small, something with space for fat harddrive and decent airflow
>no windows, LED's or any of that gamur shite
>doesn't have to have a disk drive space, I'm thinking about ditching it
>decent dust filters

>>56594170
i got a n200 coolmaster. it only has two leds at the front one for the power button, and one for... some other flickering shit I don't know what it does

pics at the top of the thread

>>56594184
flickering led is usually for cpu monitoring. The Optiplex pre-built at my office even has 4 different leds for the 4 threads on its i3

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>>56594184
>some other flickering shit I don't know what it does
Disk access?

Looks meh. The design seems okay but the dust filters look really bad. Also why the hell does it have a hole for a floppy drive?

Pick related seems otherwise decent but I dont really like that material. Also the build quality seems pretty bad for 100 yuropcoin case.

>>56590659
Move your front intake fan up one position in the case. No point having it there if HDDs are in the way.

>tfw i haven't cleaned anything other than my dust filters in my FT02b

I am fucking dreading it when my 6700k/mobo gets here.

> Samsung 850 EVO
> I5-6600K
> Asus Z170-Deluxe
> Corsair Vengeance DDR4 3200Mhz (2x8GB)
> EVGA SuperNOVA 650 GS
> Noctua NH-U14S
> Fractal Design Define S

I was thinking about buying a GPU later on, but i'll just use my old 760 for now. Does it look good?

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>>56594291
You can unplug the leds from the front panel if you want, I might do that when I switch the fan position.

MSG: Message/Power/Sleep LED
*PWR: Power LED
PW: Power Switch
SPEAK: Speaker
*HD: Hard Drive Activity LED
RES: Reset Switch
CI: Chassis Intrusion Header

>>56594556
It is fine.

>>56594851
Does a m2. drive make a big difference? I can spend like 30$ to get a Samsung PM961 (256GB), instead of the EVO.

These people put a $210 motherboard in a budget pc build. Are they mad? Or am I just missing something?
http://www.pcgamer.com/pc-build-guide-budget-gaming-pc/

>>56594893
isn't 134$?

>>56594889
>Does a m2. drive make a big difference?
For enormous files, benchmark software, and e-penis, maybe. For day-to-day, the different is insignificant. The $$$ should be spent elsewhere, unless all your other PC parts are already exceptional.

>>56594935
>the different is insignificant
difference*

Squeeze my English, I are not brain tonight.

>>56594919
Australian dollarydoos, mate.
Even in USD, it is too expensive for a budget build. A $60 USD board would work just as well.

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>>56594947
yeah, thanks.

I was about to order a Skull Canyon from Intel, with m2. Would be nice to have a small computer i could bring with me. But the it costs way to much to justify it, and the fact that i can't get a hold of a egpu where i live. So i ended up with >>56594556, and i'll throw out my e8500 machine :)

>>56594893
They cosider the budget build as a "upgrade it later when you have more money" build. The expensive motherboard allows you to transition from budget to medium or even high-end setup without having to buy another one, saving money in the long run.

Of course this all assumes that you updgrade within a year or two. If you dont then intel will release another chipset and you'll have to buy a new motherboard to support it.

>>56594935
New m.2 SSDs like the Intel SSD 600p series (released last week) and the Samsung 960 EVO (releases next month) cost barely more than SATA SSD.

>>56595048
But what does upgrade mean? Isn't it just putting in a better gpu or cpu? Or maybe more ram? Can't you do that on a b150?

>>56595060
If the price difference is negligible, there is nothing wrong with going M.2. Less wires blocking airflow is a good thing.

The problem is that right now, M.2 drives cost a lot more than standard 2.5".

>>56595116
EVGA SuperNOVA 650 GS vs EVGA SuperNOVA G2 650?

The GS is made by seasonic and the G2 is made by Super Flower. They cost exactly the same.

Air or water for pushing a 4690k to 4ghz and over? I've been eyeing a bunch of 280mm meme coolers, the dark rock 3 pro and a r1 ultimate.

>>56595311
Both excellent units. Either is fine. Or check the reviews and see which was released later.

>>56595397
> G2 - Ultra Quiet 140mm Fan with ECO Intelligent Thermal Control Fan system (Zero Fan Noise < 45°C). 7 year warranty.

> GS - 120mm Fan Teflon NanoSteel Bearing. 5 year warranty.

I guess i'll go for the g2, jonnyguru also gave it a better score. Both are top tier psu, so i guess it wont make a big different.

Apologies if any of this is dumb, I've been in these threads before and people seem pretty cool.

I'm inheriting most of a PC in hand-me-down parts (motherboard, processor, PSU, case, RAM). I'm pretty poor so this works out well for me; I can buy the remaining parts now and upgrade over time. I've never done this before, but how much of a pain would it be to replace the motherboard and processor? Is it worth me putting in the hard drive and graphics card, saving for a few months and upgrading the motherboard and processor, or should I just save and put in all at the one time?

>>56595647
Might get more help if you post exactly which part models you have.

>>56595683
The processor is an i7 920, the motherboard is a Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD3R and the case is a Zalman Z11. I'm going to use the money I've saved so far to get a 1060, a 1TB hard drive and a 250GB SSD for the OS. I understand the processor and graphics card combo is going to bottleneck hard, but I think it'll tide me over for a few months while I save. Thanks for the help.

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>>56590298
Asus z170-A Motherboard. Pretty good and a great overclocker.

>>56595725
I'm not sure exactly what the PSU is, but I believe it's a Corsair 850W. The current owner of the PC has a 970 in there right now.

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>kept my GTX 760 to act as a physx card for my 1070
>get 100+ fps anyway so I don't need it

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Rate? Gonna pull the trigger

>>56595926
not the best psu: http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story6&reid=442

>>56595966
>>>56595926 (You)
>not the best psu: http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story6&reid=442

What psu do you recommend?

>>56595982
G2 or GS version of the same.

>>56595982
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html

tier one or two

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Hey, guys.
I have been really stuck deciding between these two cards.
Do you think that the extra 2GB of VRAM is worth the ten dollars difference?

>>56596300
Don't buy a 480 for more than $220.

>>56596300
Personally, I think 33% more ram is worth a 3.7% increase in price.

>>56596337
I can't get the 8GB vram version of the rx480 for lsss the price I listed.
In which case I'd ask is the difference between the 4gb 480 and the 6gb 1060 worth it? Though I think I'd like to have more than 4gb vram to be safe.

>>56596412
Don't buy a 480 for more than $220.


And learn to fucking read

>>56596300
Yes
Pretty sure ROTR already hits 6gb of VRAM

>>56596436
I'd say the same to you.
I just told you that only the 4gb versions are around $220, hence why I asked you which do you think is the better price/performance between the 4gb variant and the gtx1060 6gb?

>>56594291
Bitfenix have horrible quality control. I've actually cut the bottom of my palm removing the side panel of that case because the edges are just metal that hasn't been crimped or sanded down properly. The space behind the motherboard mount is ridiculously thin, so good luck trying to fit a standard thickness 24-pin ATX power connector and making the back panel shut at all.

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build here
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/xfLfyf

I was making sure the ram I picked was on the QVL for the motherboard and it doesn't have a check in the 4 column for "memory socket support"
is this bad?

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/NLxjHN

Criticize

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R8 & H8 my upgrade /g/

FX-6300 --> i5-6500

R9 280x 3gb --> RX 480 4gb

Gigabyte GA‑970A‑UD3P --> MSI B150M Mortar

G. Skill ares 4x4 --> G. Skill Ripjaw V 8x2

Rosewill Blackhawk --> Corsair Carbide air 240

1x 1080p 60hz 5ms --> 2x 1080p (the old one plus a 144 hz 1ms)

>>56597695
Also looking for improvements, criticisms, etc. Using it for general use, gaming, the normal shit. I'm looking to stay around $7-800

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>>56597695
>MSI B150M Mortar
Dis nigga
You can go cheaper than that and spend a bit more for an SSD.

>>56597807
Already have a 240 gb Samsung 850 evo, I just searched for a matx motherboard on Newegg and got the first one with 5 eggs.

>>56597695
upgrade your cpu to a 6600k, you wont regret it.

> B150 chipset, get a Z170 board.

>>56597351
> ROCCAT NYTH Wired Laser Mouse
overpriced gaming mouse, get a mx518

> 850 pro
it's nice, but personally i would rather save some $$$ and go for a EVO or something

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>>56597843
Don't always trust user ratings. Sometimes people get dud boards because of bad shipping, which drives down the user ratings of other decent boards.
Most of all, don't listen to niggers like this >>56597865
The people who think overclocking is worth a damn these days are liars, retards, or shills. Overclocking hasn't yielded that large of an improvement since CPUs started shipping at clock speeds greater than 2 GHz (the reason is simple, overclocking from 2 GHz to 3 GHz is a 50% jump in clock rate, leading to a 50% jump in performance; overclocking from 3.5 to 4.5GHz is just under 30%)
I'm fairly certain you won't need any of the features in the B150 chipset anyway. Why pay more for shit you're never going to use?

>>56597351
I don't know but I have 2x8Gb 3000MHz g skill ddr4 and it fits into the ram slot

>>56597628
Probably too much ram, maybe too much processor, definitely too much monitor (get the dell one with exact same specs for $300 less)

>>56597921
B150 has less PCI-E lanes(only x8) and doesn't support overclocking. If you don't have a CPU with K or don't use multiple PCI-E devices like M.2 PCI-E SSD, PCI-E WIFI, SLI/Crossfire GPU, it's okay to use B150.

Basically the B150 chipset is shit.

> Overclocking hasn't yielded that large of an improvement
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-intel-skylake-core-i5-6600k-review

>>56597843
>motherboard that has 5 star rating
That's just unnatural, I don't believe you

>>56597921
The 6600k and 6700k have some of the best, most consistent and safest gainzzz from overclocking

check this pleb build http://pcpartpicker.com/list/tgDFsJ

Do you guys think i should go with 8 Gs of RAM instead of 16?

>>56597865
>spending ~$40 for 2 more fps
>any year

>>56597921
The Mortar is only $90 as compared to most others like this Gigabyte board being $100+

https://m.newegg.com/Product/index?itemnumber=9SIA24G3RH4925

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Bought this last night and it should arrive on Tuesday.
How did I do?
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/Vp4PFd

>>56598002

>dem 5 eggz

https://m.newegg.com/Product/index?itemnumber=9SIA2F84D69102

>>56597987
Are you talking about the gaming monitor or the one I'm using for general use?

>>56598070
That's fishy
A motherboard without several bad ratings is downright suspicious, it's basically the worst part of any computer

>>56591780
The 470 comes out to about the same whats the difference of the two?

>>56598089
I'm talking about the one that should be $300 less
There's a $500 dell 27" 1440p 144hz g sync

>>56598112
> whats the difference of the two
90

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>>56597998
>B150 has less PCI-E lanes(only x8) and doesn't support overclocking
But will he actually use any of those PCIe slots for devices that actually need PCIe Gen 3 lanes?
Chances are no.
> If you don't have a CPU with K or don't use multiple PCI-E devices like M.2 PCI-E SSD, PCI-E WIFI, SLI/Crossfire GPU, it's okay to use B150.
...Like his build seems to suggest.
>muh overclocking meme
I'm not going to argue that overclocking is fun as a hobbyist. It's fun seeing how far you can push your machine in order to extract every iota of performance that little piece of silicon has. But you're deluding yourself if you think the gain is worth the drawbacks of overclocking.
>excessive voltages, leading to rapid erosion of microscopic traces within the silicons
>increased heat output and thermal inefficiencies
>operational instability and other similar inconveniences caused by out-of-spec clock multipliers affecting the memory, the GPU, the PCIe controller from the southbridge, etc
>>56598014
Problem is that most users will never overclock their CPUs to begin with because of the inherent risks involved for 10% improvements at best. Ignore the benchmarks, they're meant to exaggerate the performance of your components to show you what it could be capable of. Many programs do not scale well with higher clockspeeds (overclocking by 30% will lead to a modest gain of 10% more FPS in many games due to other constraints within the build like memory bandwidth and the GPU)
All in all, if you are not an overclocking enthusiast or hardcore PC poweruser that needs the additional clockrate for programs that do scale well with higher clockspeeds, you do not need to waste money on an overpriced CPU with an overpriced motherboard.

>>56598041
>The Mortar is only $90
That's pretty fucking high for a B150 MATX board. They usually cost $45-65. You're not spending your money right. No joke, you can buy a H100 mATX board and another 240-256GB SSD for that price.

>>56598133
I thought Dell didn't make good gaming monitors?

>>56598098

What mobo would you suggest? The Gigabyte one I posted before was my backup but its $25 dollaridos extra and I'm a real fuckin jew.

>>56598167
Dude, a $50 H110 mATX board will serve you all the same as that $90 board.

>>56598098
If you actually look at the reviews section, you will see there is entirely 1 DoA sort of review for it.
If you check on other sites you will see there are, in fact, negative reviews of this board.

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-Gaming-Skylake-Motherboard-B150M/product-reviews/B015ZKJRTO/ref=cm_cr_dp_d_show_all_top?ie=UTF8

A motherboard, like you said, is very prone to issues and failures. This one is not an exception in that regard.

>>56598149
Modern CPUs are hard to overclock dangerously, I can bump an i5 to from 3.9 max to 4.4GHz without even fucking with voltages, using a $25 air cooler I never go past 65°
I mean it's free power, and not nearly as risky as it used to be, it's not something you need for sure, but in 5 years (when you might NEED to overclock, which is the right time to overclock) it'll be nice to have spent that extra $40

>>56598154
I don't know but there's 1440 pixels from left to right and it refreshes 144 times a second so it's gotta be okay
I heard Lg is the bad one
I mean I'm sure we've both heard those rumors from people who really have no clue anyways

>>56598186
>>56598167
Just be aware that with the H110. A large graphics card will take up two of the four side slots, and block one of the PCIe ports, despite having two ports.

I just needed one for the wifi card so it's perfect for me, but I would I wished I knew that.

>>56598186
>>56598149

Thanks guys, I appreciate it, I've never really got the ups, downs, left, and rights of motherboards like I do for gpus and cpus.

>>56598192
Okay, now I feel more comfortable with it
But that gigabyte one is the exact mobo I ordered, I considered the mortar and probably would've been happy with it too, but really I'd say just search for deals, a $10 sale will make the difference between cheaper and more expensive mobos

>>56598220
Ah I see the Dell 1440p is a TN panel. That's why it is cheap.

>>56598245
Maybe it'll block a PCIe port, but maybe it'll block a useless PCI port

>>56595647
>>56595725
>>56595741
Bumping.

>>56598267
I can't tell the color difference from a 1080p ips though

>>56598317
I mean I can if I do a back to back comparison on bone stock settings but that's what software is for, I don't know what "real colors" are supposed to be but the dell ones nice

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>>56598201
>and not nearly as risky as it used to be
It's always been risky and always will be. just because the BCLK on Skylake is no longer tied to the DMI and PCIe clock doesn't mean that it's all sunny skies and grassy hills from here. You will still run the risk of system instability/corruption and early component failure all the same. That's the inherent properties of increasing clock speeds and why CPU manufacturers bin their silicons. It's not so much about Jewing you out of potential higher performance than it is them covering their asses to prevent premature CPU or CPU-related failure within the warranty period. Any time you mess around with the factory settings, you will always run the risk of destabilizing your system and decreasing the lifespan of your CPU.
That being said, I have like 4 CPUs that I have overclocked to the wall (kek at my i7-5775C at 4.4GHz, it's all that it can manage). It's a fun hobby, but I'm well aware of the risks and can afford to replace my CPUs when the silicon reaper comes a-knocking. I bet most of you guys can't, which is why I'm so against overclocking for the vast majority of first time builders.

>>56598245
>A large graphics card will take up two of the four side slots, and block one of the PCIe ports, despite having two ports
Most mATX boards have at least two more slots and like >>56598278 said, manufacturers anticipate this by either sharing the PCIe lane of the second PCIe slot (aka the useless one with a GPU) with another PCIe/mPCIe slot so that all is not lost.

>>56598246
Motherboards are really simple. Just ask yourself how many devices you'll actually use and shop around that. Go for the best value motherboard and avoid the features you don't need.

Just bought this
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/qT4h3F

Gonna be used for gaming at 1440p
Any further upgrades?

>>56598348
My dads CPU outlived my dog, I'm not super worried about a few years less lifespan (once you actually do overclock it) in trade for a few more years of usable lifespan
Most people don't look at it as a hobby or enjoyment from high clock speeds, it's a way to make your outdated CPU do better for longer to me
But the only point that matters here, is it worth a Z170 motherboard and $10 pricier CPU? I think so, even if it won't be worth it until your CPU is obsolete

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>>56598369
>http://pcpartpicker.com/list/qT4h3F
Do you really want to use M.2 or PCIe SSDs? Are you planning on RAIDing your SATA drives? Do you really need that many PCI/PCIe slots? Etc.

>>56598414
>I'm not super worried about a few years less lifespan
I've had my Ivy Bridge 3770K for four years and it finally croaked last month after a light overclock at 4.3 GHz. RIP the only CPU that I bothered to lap and delid. You might not be so lucky with you CPU, but again, if you can afford to replace it (and the motherboard), then go for it. Most of the people asking for advice in these threads cannot or just aren't willing to, so remember that.
I can't even begin to tell you how many angry parents I've had to deal with once their son's overclocked gaming PC I built for them died after a year or two because they thought all PCs could last regardless of the stress their son put on the CPU. I stopped recommending K CPUs+Z motherboards as a direct result of that. If you want to overclock your motherboard, then you should have enough knowledge about PCs to put it together yourself.

i have a 1080p monitor, i build a semi replacement computer when my old shit died
6600k
8GB of el cheapo g.skill ram one stick
120GB ssd (samsung 850 evo)
no video card

i'm thinking of getting a gtx 1070, and some 3200 ddr4 and a case/cpu cooler around black friday

i'll get a better monitor early next year or get a 4k tv

>>56598478
>http://pcpartpicker.com/list/qT4h3F
Yeah, later on I plan to buy two 512 m.2 ssd, also later on I plan to buy two 6Tb hdd and raid them

>>56598052
you did a great job. all the parts are quality

pros:
gigabyte mobo
nividia
great case

cons:
you should of gotten a more wattage psu. like a 650 or 700
im not familiar with that ram

>>56598581
in fact now that im looking at it you could of gotten a higher wattage psu by the same company and quality for less. yikes

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>>56598521
>I plan to buy two 512 m.2 ssd
I don't see any PLX chip or Marvell/ASMedia M.2 controllers on the board (nor do I expect one at this price), so that means that you'll beng using up 8 lanes of PCIe 3 from the chipset itself. I don't think it will be a problem, seeing as how there are only two PCIe slots linked to the chipset, but that could mean that the second 16x slot will not run at its maximum 4 lane bandwidth (it's a 4 lane PCIe slot electrically, even though it looks like the full 16x slot)
>I plan to buy two 6Tb hdd and raid them
Replacing your 1TB WD Blue, I assume? Because your case can not support more than 2 3.5" drives.

>>56598694
>I don't see any PLX chip or Marvell/ASMedia M.2 controllers on the board (nor do I expect one at this price), so that means that you'll beng using up 8 lanes of PCIe 3 from the chipset itself. I don't think it will be a problem, seeing as how there are only two PCIe slots linked to the chipset, but that could mean that the second 16x slot will not run at its maximum 4 lane bandwidth (it's a 4 lane PCIe slot electrically, even though it looks like the full 16x slot)
Yep, no problem
>Replacing your 1TB WD Blue, I assume? Because your case can not support more than 2 3.5" drives.
Thats right, also I plan on buying a second monitor and an arm

Still looking for headphones and speakers reccomendations

Alright /g/uys, took your advice.
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Erickazo99/saved/L6Q7P6
I replaced the 380X with a 470
Pcu is now an i5-6500 instead of a 6600k
And in probably going to just go to my local frys and get a monitor there.

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Let's say that I plan on using Source Filmmaker or similar 3D animation programs (so quite a lot of 3D rendering), what should I change first in my current build?

I can easily O/C my CPU so I would think about going with more RAM first, then maybe change the GPU, I'm open to suggestions.

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>>56598787
>http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Erickazo99/saved/L6Q7P6
>still using an overpriced motherboard
Downsize to a mATX and go with an H110 chipset. Boom, saved you $50 for ZERO penalties.
How about another $100?
Swap that case out for a Silverstone or Fractal Design mATX non-windowed case.
That's almost $110 in savings right there so you can actually afford a full RX 480 8GB AND an 480-512GB SSD.
You might even save another $20 by downsizing that PSU to a 550W semi-mod 80+ Gold PSU, but I'll leave that to you.

>>56598787

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/4LPHGf

imo if youre not getting the k the extra 20-30 bucks isnt worth going past 6400

i just really hate that case you chose

saved you some money on storage. its just storage bro and the blacks shit out pretty often

saved you some money on a monitor

i dunno if i can convince you to not spend over 100 bucks on a mouse and keyboard

https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-KU-0833-Wired-Keyboard/dp/B005EOWBHC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1473870699&sr=8-1&keywords=amazon+keyboard

i been using this for like 3 years and i love it

>>56598787
>>56598991
Don't downgrade to a 6400, keep the 6500

You don't need an aftermarket CPU cooler

You can save money by buying an H110 chipset mATX motherboard

That case is expensive as fuck, you can find something way cheaper

You don't need a 650W power supply

And lastly I don't like buying things that say "gaming" on it

>>56598986
>>56598787
A few more things I've noticed
>DDR4-3000
You can't really use that with a non-H/Z170 motherboard (unless the manufacturer specifically states it), plus there aren't that many programs that benefit from the faster bandwidth (unless you use 7ZIP all the time). Games? There are only a handful that directly scale with memory speed, so it's a nonfactor.
>WD Black
I've actually had similar (if not better) seek access time and raw performance out of the Toshiba P300 series drive, which costs about 40% less than your drive. You could also spend $15 more for a 4TB Toshiba X300, which for all intents and purposes mops the floor with the 4TB WD Black (but is just as noisy as the Black). Both the X300 and the WD Black are consumerized versions of Enterprise data center-centric drives.
I'm not going to comment on the keyboard and mouse, but you might as well buy the official Corsair approved keyboard+mousepad for $50 and a Corsair-branded BadDragon dildo for $115 to show your hardcore Corsair fanboyism.

>>56599034
if he went matx the ram wouldnt clock to 3k though. i agree on the case i was just trying to find something similar priced since the case doesnt really offer performance

>>56599136
Then he should downgrade his RAM as well

I Corsair'd your shit, broski
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/zv4vjc
>>56599136
>if he went matx the ram wouldnt clock to 3k though
What is this bullshit? The board size has nothing to do with XMP support. That's the CPU+chipset.

>>56599197
find an matx board that supports 3k

>>56599277
>>56599277
lemme correct that. find an matx board that supports 3k thats cheaper than just a regular atx

thats the point here right. were trying to save anon some money

>>56599277
https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/Z170M-PLUS/
http://www.gigabyte.us/products/product-page.aspx?pid=5489#dl
http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z170M%20Extreme4/?cat=Memory
You don't know what you're talking about. Form factor has nothing to do with supported memory speed or XMP profiles.

>>56599303
see
>>56599302

>>56599302
>find an matx board that supports 3k thats cheaper than just a regular atx
...You mean every single mATX board that isn't RGB LED GAYMER PRO L337 HYPER SUPER OVERCLOCK BEASTM0D3 marketed bullshit?
And he needs a Z170 chipset, why? Or DDR4-3000 for that matter?

>>56599326
See
>>56599329
You're not saving him much money. You're doing a piss-poor job at it, actually.

>>56599329
>>56599329
you need to chill out man

>>56599344
Nah, I'm enjoying all the BTFO I'm dealing on your boipussy.

>>56598986
I'll look for an mATX motherboard thanks anon
>>56598991
thanks anon and i'm gonna listen to the other guy about the pcu i don't mind the extra 20-30 bucks
>>56599034
As for the fan and case my buddy is selling me that case, fan, and a bunch of other minor stuff for 100 bucks.
>>56599088
Alright thanks for the advice on the hard drive, as for the corsair "fanboyism" there is none considering i've never built a pc and the fact that i have that many corsair things on my list is pure coincidence lol

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>>56599377
>[[[pure coincidence]]]

Thanks a lot you guys feels good knowing the people on this board aren't just shitters and are actually trying to help

>>56599362
every now and then i need a reminder of the kind of people that post here. thank you for that

Alright guys does this look any better?
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Erickazo99/saved/#view=L6Q7P6

>>56599757
Looks decent, but you don't need 650W for this build and if you want to save money, the stock cooler should be fine.
Also, what's your case?

>>56599757
>http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Erickazo99/saved/#view=L6Q7P6
I don't see why you'd need that CPU cooler.

>>56599813
Once again its just there to show that i'm going to have one, I'm getting a tower, heatsink, and few other things from him for a 100 bucks

>>56599805
Look at it again i added the case and changed the card to a RX 480 8gb from >>56598986 advice

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hows my build /g/?

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Newest build since my first PC back in 2010. Getting a $800 credit from work for not using all my vacation days so I think it is time to upgrade.
Old PC is a AMD Phenom II 695 with a 5970.

>>56600013
>another one
Jesus fucking Christ

>>56600047
I'm selling my old pc to a friend. Who the hell needs two?

>>56599962
That case is absolute overkill.
1. You don't need a full ATX for a mATX board
2. Don't pay 170€ for the case if your total is about 950, that's out of proportion.
Look for cases like Phanteks Enthoo Pro, Fractal Design R5 / S, Corsair 300 series, idk if that RX480 will fit though.
And check if you can get a 600W, might save you few bucks, 600W should still be more than enough. If you want to keep the 212 it's fine, but not necessairy.

>>56599994
>238°F
>t. ex-engineer at fukushima

>>56600067
I'm getting that case+heatsink+a few other things from my buddy for $100

>>56600062
I wasn't referring to that, I was referring to your waste of money
>i5-6500 + Z170 mobo
>let alone an ATX Z170 mobo with SLI support he's never going to use
>overpriced memory with shit latencies for no real world benefits
>WD BLACKED hard drive when other manufacturers make faster drives for cheap
>buying a full-tower case for a gaming build
>spending more than $60 for a case
>wasting money on a full-mod ATX when Corsair literally makes the same exact PSU as a cheaper semi-modular unit
>internal DVD drive in 2016

>>56600104
Which parts do you get?

>>56600144
What do you mean? I'm getting the Cool Master HAF X full tower, a fan that i didn't get the name of, some thermal paste, an older GPU that i'm not gonna use anymore, and He's gonna let me use the last of his windows 7 key.

>>56600286
Just curious. Overall the build is ok.

>>56600333
Alright thanks man, i hope thats a "pretty good for a first time build" ok

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so my case just arrived and i gotta say im even happier than i thought id be

>corsair 88r

anyone building a micro atx pc i HIGHLY recommend this case. it cost me 35 bucks after rebate so 45 up front. ill keep you guys posted once i started building

>>56600121
A lot of those are good points, but why can't I buy a case that I think looks nice? Who cares if it is over $60? And what if I hate external drives? For me its just more fucking clutter on the desk.

>>56600603
Well, I'll give you my recommendations. Do you want the build to look nice while not overspending too much, or do you want a build that's more about raw performance over style?

>>56600627
Don't get me wrong, I do appreciate the feed back and I will take them into consideration into the performance aspect of the build. Money is not necessarily a problem so I am willing to pay for something to look nice. Sure you can buy a car that looks alright and preforms well, but why not spend the little bit of extra cash to buy the upgraded model that just looks a little better. I don't know that is just the way I view it.

>>56600735
Give me a few minutes then

>>56600735
>>56600751
Here
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/4ZCVWX
Even after all the unnecessary bling, I've managed to spend almost $150 less than you did for a Black-on-Black-with-white theme build.

So I made this to mainly play wow without any fps drops.

Anything I can drop, reduce or 'choose smarter'?

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/fJDN6X

>>56600909
Also max settings, full HD

Can you use a program to measure how many watts my pc is using?

>>56600013
>http://pcpartpicker.com/list/4ZCVWX
>>56600735
>>56600865
Kek, I even managed to fit a 960GB SSD into the same budget you did AND add two overpriced sleeved SATA cables for added bling
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/hBp4M8

>>56600909
Any ideas peeps? I added a cooler aswell.
I kind of want it to be totally lag free, after having a shitty computer as a student for 4 years.

>>56600909
>>56601042
>playing WOW
You don't need an overclocked i5 for that. I think even an i3-6300 handles WoW perfectly fine.

>>56601077
Well I kind of want to be on the safe side, so I thought some extra cream wouldn't hurt. Is it dumb tho?

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Thanks for the tip about moving my fan to a less obstructed position. Blue is new CPU temps (red is old), i5 6400 getting mid 55*C with the stock cooler under load.

I'm happy with that.

>>56601101
It is, if all you're doing with that computer is playing WoW.
If you absolutely positively need four cores, an i5-6400, i5-6402P, or i5-6500 is more than enough. Hell, even an Athlon X4 880K or X4 845 is enough for above 60FPS at 1080p Ultra settings for a fraction of the price of the i5s.

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I've been wondering, is now a good time to build a new PC?

>>56601159
Thank you son, doing gods work.

>>56601160
not really. gpus are overpriced because of short supply. especially if outside usa.

>>56601170
Now pay me in Hillary votes, faggot
That's the least you can do.

>>56601159
The Athlon X4's are around 100$, are they dirt cheap because they're shit or are they underrated?

>>56601183
I am swedish, sorry friend. Also I'd vote for the Berners just for protest.

>>56601192
>are they dirt cheap because they're shit or are they underrated?
They're not that strong compared to a similar Intel i5 (they're more comparable to the Intel i3s in terms of price and multi-threaded performance). AMD's Bulldozer-based architecture wasn't designed to have strong single cores, but better optimized multi-threaded processing over hyperthreading via a physical architecture. The end result is that single core performance is about just over half of that of Intel's Skylake architecture, despite matching it in multi-threaded performance. For most pre-DX11 games, this isn't such a good thing because those games mostly rely on strong single cores for maximum performance (I think WoW is DX9 based, so that's even more dependent on single core performance). But you can overclock the Athlons fairly easily to compensate for that.

Now the Athlon X4s are even cheaper than the AMD A8/A10 APUs despite being the same physical silicon because the iGPU is completely disabled. This means that you'll get almost the same performance out of the Athlon X4 880K as you would from the more expensive A10-7890K, except you might be able to overclock the X4 880K a little better with lower voltage requirements due to its disabled GPU. They make good practice and learning tools for first-time builders and overclockers as a result of their low cost and completely unlocked features.
They a little shit, but also a little underrated. The most fun I've had with overclocking was with an X4 760K and an FX-4350.

>>56601160
We're just before the new generation of CPUs (Kaby Lake and Summit Ridge). It would be better if you at least wait until they are out.

>>56601288
So I made this item in honor for you.
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/DQW89W

Shitty? Non-shitty? I think WoW is DX9 still, so that would mean I gotta overclock abit? What's a good, cheap cooler which also is silent af?

Also secondary goal is that have a very quiet computer.

>>56601381
>http://pcpartpicker.com/list/DQW89W
What's your budget?

>>56601393
Well as low as possible, with great graphics, but around 7000 -9000 SEK. Which will equate to around 800-1.1k $

>>56600909
Logicalincrements says the Great tier will be silky smooth
http://www.logicalincrements.com/games/wow

>>56601428
Also follow-up question: Is DDR4 way better than DDR3?

>>56601469
Ah very nice. Thank you!

>>56599277
>>56599136
>>56599197
He said mATX h110 initially
Y'all some dunderheads

>>56601330
Kaby lake is about to fuck everything up with little to insignificant gains

>>56601471
No stock ddr4 is slightly better than ddr3
Super mega xXgamingXx 6666MHz ddr4 is a lot better than ddr3 though
But when it comes down to it ram is basically still just ram

Probably the best thread for this:

I need a bluetooth keyboard with a built in mouse of some kind (trackpad, nub, whatever). Preferably compact, but not those stupid handheld ones you have to type on like a blackberry.
I've decided to finally re-purpose my old Dell Venue 8 for some light programming but I don't want to have to try and tap on the tiny fucking icons whenever I need a mouse, and thanks to the sole usb port also being for charging I need the input to be bluetooth

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http://pcpartpicker.com/user/LeakyCanoe/saved/kwFJ7P

I'm looking to spend a bit of money to get a pretty good gaming computer but I want to wait for a price drop on a couple of things, probably going to wait until November for cyber monday to actually pull the trigger on these. However, I'd like to come here to ask about some possible alternatives to the parts I have listed, as this would be my first build, I've only bought laptops beforehand.

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>>56601381
>>56601428
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/3QkPFd
or
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/9R7qRG
>>56601471
DDR4-2133 performs largely the same as DDR3-2133 due to the fact that it has much higher CAS latencies (14-16 for DDR4, 8-11 for DDR3). This means that even with a wider memory bus than DDR3, it can only transfer information as fast as the older spec memory. DDR4's primary advantage is the fact that it uses much lower voltages to achieve higher and higher memory clock speeds, allowing DDR4 kits to reach 4200MHz when most DDR3 kits struggled to reach 3000MHz. This means that the DDR4 kits run cooler, almost eliminating the need for aftermarket cooling solutions. Intel's memory controller for DDR4/DDR3L is a bit more robust to deal with higher frequencies, but it can not handle standard DDR3 memory due to the voltage requirements dangerously exceeding Intel's own specifications. That's why only DDR3L memory (like the Corsair ones you initially sleceted) works on Skylake.

>>56601794
There should be cheaper alternatives, but idk about the US prices beacause EU.
You should ask yourself a few questions as well. Do you need an i7? Will you overclock your CPU? Do you need the overkill 750W PSU? Do you need a full tower?
Otherwise, there are no outstanding objective flaws with your build.

>>56601794
Don't wait till the Monday after Black Friday, nobody introduces deals on Monday anymore it's all just leftover Black Friday deals

>>56601794
>http://pcpartpicker.com/user/LeakyCanoe/saved/kwFJ7P
I sound like a broken record by now, but are you sure you need an i7, unlocked core multipliers, unlocked BCLK/voltage modifiers, RAID, SSD caching, or more than one PCIe device?
If you want, I can make you a build that's both aesthetically pleasing and cost-effective. I'm going to assume that your budget is $1700 and that you don't need any more that 2TB of large storage.

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/kNrfyf

This is for a gaming computer, not too concerned about the budget.

I already have the CPU. GPU, and SSD, are there any suggestions?

>>56602074
You could get a cheaper mobo and maybe a gold plus PSU, overall it's ok.
I'd get another case, but that's subjective, don't like those silly cubes.

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>>56601959
Mostly I just looked through the falcon guide for approximately what I wanted to spend on the computer itself, and then made a few gut choices about quality of product based on reviews. As for the i7, I don't really need it and I can make due with an i5 as I don't really do too much other than gaming/web browsing, I don't do anything that's too CPU taxing. I'd just rather spend an extra hundred dollars NOW to have a computer I don't have to upgrade for another four years or so, instead of buying a 200-300 dollar CPU in two years. As for the overclocking, probably not. 750W PSU is just what was recommended with the build, and I'd like to have a little overhead to keep temps and noise down a bit.
>>56601995
Point taken, thanks for the info.
>>56602023
Probably not. As for my budget, I'd prefer to not spend more than $1500, and I'm prepared to wait until November to buy the parts, hopefully so I can get a price drop or two, possibly on the 1070, and some black friday deals. If you have alternative suggestions for the build, I'd be happy to listen, I mean that's why I'm here.

>>56602144
>I don't really do too much other than gaming/web browsing
If you don't play games like Total War on ultra hyper burn my machine settings, get the i5. Saves you A LOT of money and will be just as good for most of the games in most situations.
>I'd just rather spend an extra hundred dollars NOW to have a computer I don't have to upgrade for another four years or so
i5 is fine. You also don't know what will be in 4 years or so. I sill have my 6 years old i7-870 running and don't see a reason to upgrade. Sure a brand new 6700k build is better, but not worth the money.
>As for the overclocking, probably not.
i5-6600 it is, or if you don't mind the 10-20 bucks 6600k.
If you're not going to overclock, you can go with a H110 mobo or a cheaper Z170, ASUS Z170 k or p (forgot which) could be cheaper.
>750W PSU
Totally overkill. 650W is fine. If you go with a non-OC i5-6600 + 1060 build, 600 will be enough.

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>>56602144
I left your monitor as is and changed a few other parts to fit a god damned GTX 1080 rather than the 1070.
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/PLtBLD
Why do you need a wifi card? Ethernet is always better.

So, Zen has been delayed to 2017. I was hoping it would release this quarter as originally planned since I planned to build a new machine around now.

Is it still worth waiting?

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>>56602283
Because it's 35 bucks and I want it just in case I move somewhere where there are really shitty ethernet port placements so I don't have to run a fifty foot ethernet cable all around where I live.
And oh gee whilickers that part list is much better than mine considering I don't need that i7, the PSU, or the full tower case. Definitely switching to that.
>>56602274
Switching to >>56602283 's build, has some changes you mentioned, thanks for the tips.

Also, I've already got a k/m, do I need to worry about anything else besides an OS? I'd very much prefer to NOT go to W10 and stay with W7.

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>>56602413
Change out the case if you want
This is the Styx in action.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-UgibdV03U

>>56602413
No problem, the build looks nice.

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My PSU screw holes don't line up with the case holes. Will this gap be okay for the build?

>>56602912
turn it around so the oval holes line up

>>56602545
You dunce, they do line up. Push your PSU more to the other end of the case where that massive gap is. And make sure there are vents on the bottom of the case if you're putting the PSU fan facing downward.

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>>56602912
what case and psu did you buy?

I'm gonna get an SSD tomorrow but it's gonna be either 850 EVO 250gb or Crucial MX300 275gb. Both are for the same price, which one to grab ?

I'll also gonna install windows 10 because i want to give a try to DX12, any settings i should be aware for SSDs ?

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>>56602988
Should I use these holes instead?

>>56603017
NZXT S340 Glossy Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146190

EVGA SuperNOVA 650 G1 650W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438026

>>56603067
line it up to the left side screwholes and take a pic

>>56603005
You answered the wrong person you semitic negro.

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>>56603067

>>56603045
I've got the 850 EVO. Go for the 500 GB, the larger capacity also means a SIGNIFICANTLY longer operational lifespan. Hypothetically it shouldn't die before you replace it normally.

No complaints otherwise after nearly a year, Samsung provides a decent little monitoring program + driver package but it will work without it (though not as well for longevity).

SSD's you should never ever:
>Use hibernate.
Especially if you were to do so multiple times a day. Use sleep so you don't wear out the drive as fast.
>Download big stuff you're going to copy to an external anyway
Download stuff directly to your external storage media to save wear and tear. EG; me downloading a 40 GB blue-ray anime series, it goes straight to my 2 TB external archives.
>Windows 10: It WILL uninstall / delete all your shit in the program files folders... meaning the 200+ GB of steam games will have to be re-installed and wear out the drive even faster.
Mine lasted ~8 months before it was too fucked up and had to reinstall. Microsoft is run by dickheads, and the closest thing left to an "in-place" reinstall purposefully removes the programs files contents. SOME of it ends up in the windows.old folder. SOME of it. It tends to delete ~90% of your steam library off the SSD entirely. It left a few odd Steam games for some reason out of my entire library. Make a backup to an external beforehand if your internet is shit.

Make monthly backups to an external too in case the SSD's controller shits out on you. 9999% more likely than it wearing out.

Basically what I'm saying is:
Buy a 2TB external.

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>>56602413
And to give you a perspective on how cost effective your build is, this is an updated build that I did for a client not that long ago (I added the Zotac SSD since it costs roughly the same as the 850 Pro I installed, the OCZ R400 because it's actually cheaper than the SM951 I installed in the original, an i5-6600K instead of the i7-6700K, color-matched RAM, and a non-"Founders Edition" GTX 1080). I charged nearly $3000 for that build, software installation, and setting up BIOS profiles for the CPU+memory.
>>56602413
And to give you a perspective on how cost effective your build is, this is an updated build that I did for a client not that long ago (I added the Zotac SSD since it costs roughly the same as the 850 Pro I installed, the OCZ R400 because it's actually cheaper than the SM951 I installed in the original, an i5-6600K instead of the i7-6700K, color-matched RAM, and a non-"Founders Edition" GTX 1080).
>http://pcpartpicker.com/list/8Gf4M8

I charged nearly $3000 for that build, software installation, and setting up BIOS profiles for the CPU+memory.

>>56603226
You fucked up again man

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>>56603115
>>56603102
like this?

>>56603252
Yeah, just move it up a bit and screw it in. All the holes line up.

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http://pcpartpicker.com/list/XKJHGf
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/sG3XkT

I had posted this mITX build yesterday, but was thinking it over,
and stopped to consider what the difference would be if I got a seperate pcie wireless card and a mATX motherboard+case instead of a mITX motherboard+case with an included wireless adapter.

I was quite surprised to find, the difference is no more than five dollars, and that five dollars could probably be attributed to my choice of a slightly fancier case for the mATX build than the mITX case ($50 versus $43).

That said, the only significant difference I could think of between the two is how well the wireless adapters perform.

Do you think that the one that came with the mITX motherboard would perform better than the one in a normal pci-e slot? It seemed somewhat dubious to me that most other cards that claimed to use AC wireless were significantly higher in price than this card, but the reviews seemed on a whole positive for the card.
On the other hand, the motherboard is less reviewed total, so I have not seen much feedback on the motherboard regarding it's wireless adapter.

What do you guys think?

For a generic GTX 1070 build with no/minimal overclocking, what wattage PSU would generally be safe?

>>56603307
I guess the benefit of a discrete wireless card is you can swap it out without changing the mobo, but I think either will work just fine.

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>>56598581
>>56598609
I actually had a 750w in there originally. The 550 costed more because actually the 750w was only semi-modular.
I was recommended to move down to a 550 but that was before I upgraded to a 6600k, not that I really plan to overclock or anything.
At least not anytime soon.
Oh well, it was my first time, if push comes to shove I'll upgrade it in a few years.
I should be fine though right?

NEW THREAD:
>>56603474
>>56603474
>>56603474
>>56603474
>>56603474

>>56603181
>wearing out
Like you said, the chance of a complete drive failure is WAAAAY more likely than failure from wearing it out. Like it's rated for terabytes and terabytes to be written and rewritten every day for years
You have a better chance of a mouse crawling into your PC and chewing up your sata cable. Or, just normal SSD failure (which just doesn't happen like it used to)

>>56603307
99% of the time the "onboard" wifi/Bluetooth is just a minipcie wifi card that can easily be replaced (you have to reattach the antenna though)

>>56603396
With no overclocking on anything ever, id feel safe with 300w
But a quality low-watt PSU and a quality 600w PSU are nearly the same price