why does /sci/ bully us?

>>56530729
because /sci/ thinks it's the genius no fun allowed board when it's only just above average intelligence like most blue boards

>>56530729
they're angry that code monkeys make more money than them

Apparently because they're not smart enough to realize that CS != programming/ IT.

>>56530729
It's really hard to take /sci/ seriously with it's at least three daily IQ threads. Stay on /g/ and actually do stuff.

why don't they shit on medical students?

>>56530778
Damn. That's fucking sad.

I don't know much about CS, but I know that it's not simply programming and being an IT guy.

Is coding the same as programming?

Regardless, coding is part of CS, isn't it?

>>56530729
They have to think they're smart so they have shit on everyone else, they need to feel superior.

>>56531448
>Regardless, coding is part of CS, isn't it?
Not really. That's like saying telescopes are part of astronomy. It's just a tool.

>>56531398
They do

>>56531489
i have never witnessed it. I would like to know what they say. I also despise the chads and stacies of med school.

>>56531448
In most fields of CS programming is only really done as a tool to explore the topic you are actually interested in, whether it be algorithms, computer vision, artificial intelligence, etc. There is a field of CS called programming language theory, but that's still not about coding, its about what a programming language is.

>>56531652
We scared off all the premed students long ago
http://4chandata.org/sci/PremedsGet-out-of-my-biology-class-premed-scum-Will-this-be-on-the-testDo-we-have-to-know-this-a207154

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>>56530729
They hate us because there's actual people posting on /g/.

>>56530729
>us

that aside it's largely because to be good at CS require some creative thinking

Because /sci/ is a terrible board.
I'm a mathfag myself but I prefer browsing /g/ so I won't have to see 34 IQ/homework threads a day.

>>56530729
Its hard to take a board seriously when it have atleast 10-15 IQ threads
Also this >>56530778

>>56531882
Who is this semen demon?

>>56532015
I think it's the main character from "Crypt of the Necrodancer"

CS steals little things from here and there from mathematics. They do 1 or 2 equations and suddenly they act like they've learned a new fundamental truth of the universe. They're super obsessed with this complexity zoo, but don't have any hard and fast proofs to actually describe the edges or categories of it.

For example Quantum Computing reduces BQP-Space to P-Space. But BQP-Space includes NP-Space. But all NP-Space problems can be mapped to one another. So what is the division between BQP and NP? We don't know. Also what is the different between P-Space and NP-Space? We don't know. So what is Quantum Computing a big break though? We don't know.

Computer Science is a dumb field that evolved out of recursion. Mathematicians figured out how to deal with recursion in the 16th century with limits. Some equations don't have limits, they expand to infinity i.e.: these functions don't exit. It isn't that fucking complex. Why did are we building a full academic field around this exploration?

As a /sci/ regular I don't really get the IQ thread hate, I don't even notice them that much and in any case you can just scroll past them.

Generally speaking, scientific academia is extremely pretentious, but CS is a joke by its own merit because as an actual discipline is almost no longer taught. Now people are told how to make gooey interfaces in NetBeans so they can be code monkeys.

>>56532051
Its the first time I'm seeing a degreeist.This is some next level autism.

>>56530729
Pure science fags hate applied science fags, simple as that.

>>56532051
have you ever taken a math class? or read anything about math?

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>>56530778
/sci/ here, we know what CS v SE v IT are and CS is still pathetic. Stop using that deflection.

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Oh gee I sure do wonder what /g/ might have that /sci/ doesn't.

>>56532033
>checked
>>56532270
Where did you get that data?

>>56532424
I got it from NEET.
It was the first good result on google, you know that useful search engine you've probably heard of? Maybe you should try it out.

>>56531835
>http://4chandata.org/sci/PremedsGet-out-of-my-biology-class-premed-scum-Will-this-be-on-the-testDo-we-have-to-know-this-a207154
thats weak shit nigga

>>56532154
>we

?

>>56530729
where are Linguistics?

>>56532424
You are on a goddamn programming board

Get it yourself m808

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>>56530729
Because it's not really science.

>>56532154
If that were truly the case then you would understand it would be nonsensical to praise pure mathematics whilst simultaneously calling CS pathetic, when the two are literally the same field.

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>>56530729
They hate us cause they anus

>>56532535
But it is mathematics.

>>56532535
wew lad

>>56530729
/sci/ is the kind of place full of pseudo intellectuals that actually have barely above average intelligence but spend their days trying to feel smart. They hate everyone who can make use of their intelligence and make something with it.

>>56532051
Program termination becomes really difficult when you want static termination analisys and the determination of the initial state conditions bringing to termination/non termination without falling in recursive demonstrations.

Things become even more complex when trying to find a convergence for interacting agents.

Of course it can be seen as a derivative field from algebra and others, but its application on actual iterative/declarative programming is a very young, unexplored field.

Addendum: in the uni I attended, Quantum Computing is a course in the Physics degree, not Computer Science.

>>56530729
Because /sci/ is a board full of redditors who lost their fedora and aren't allowed anymore on reddit.

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>>56532051
>recursion is solved
Brainlet detected

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Success breeds jealousy.

>>56532921
Are you sure you're not talking about /g/?

>>56530729
currently studying bachelors in computer science. We were taught all the shit on the left on our first year. Are we not supposed to be studying that?

>>56530729
/g/ is to /sci/ as /v/ is to /g/

>>56533095
*most of it

>>56533066
What are their sources for this?

>>56532921
so like this shithole of a board with people who don't know how to program

>>56532535
Fuck I've been looking for this for ages, thx m8

>>56533069
>>56533146
sci is much worse though.
Also, this board isn't all about programming too, you don't have to be good at it or even know about it to browse /g/

>>56532051

So not knowing something makes a field worthless? There are unanswered questions in all fields. This point seems pretty asinine.

>Computer Science is a dumb field that evolved out of recursion. Mathematicians figured out how to deal with recursion in the 16th century with limits

I don't even know what you're trying to say here. Yes, limits are used in a lot of runtime proofs, etc. Obviously knowing the runtime of an algorithm is important -- are you suggesting otherwise? Have you ever taken a computational theory class?

>>56533095
Nah, that's a sign of a good institution

>>56533066
>Maths Grads
>not 300k starting
Am I getting meme'd?

>CS is "dunce" tier
>I was required to take everything they listed for my CS degree

>>56532270
/g/ is a normie board
/sci/ I don't know

>>56533368
What type of jobs require only a math degree? Honest question.

>>56530729
>Odinary
At least we don't make spelling mistakes

>>56532154
>/g/
>not using an adlocker
/sci/ confirmed idiots

>>56533703
>Blocking 4chan ads
Wow look at this faggot.

>>56533368
>Maths Only
>Getting any job at all
Am I getting meme'd?

>>56533643
Few jobs require a math degree, but there are many jobs where having strong technical and problem solving skill, as well as some business knowledge, is a great asset. In this regard mathematics can be one of the most versatile undergraduate degrees, if you play your cards right.

A few jobs that I can think of where mathematicians tend to do well are actuarial work, auditing, and supply chain management.

>>56533718
>>>/sci/
Suck your goomoot dick there

>>56533749
Did you read that?
>Only a math degree
Tell me jobs that I will get with just a math degree without attending any other course

>>56533757
>This service I use regularly has non-obtrusive adverts on it in order to pay for server costs. Better block those!

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>>56533778
>4chan
>service

>4chan ads
>non-obtrusive

>>56530729
because they want to be us

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>>56533806
>>4chan
>>service

>>4chan ads
>>non-obtrusive

Yes
Now why don't you go back to your dead board and stay there.

>>56532509
/int/

>>56533069
>>56533146
In the OP they aren't talking about /g/, they are talking about CS.

>>56533898
It's just shitposting

interesting study tool but not a discussion service per se

>>56533770
math prof

>>56533977
Every board is just shitposting.

>>56533992
Here,you have to atleast,finish MS and an additional 'Bachelor of Education degree to be a Maths professor.
If you say Maths tutor then maybe yes

>>56534026
>>56533992
Oh and thats High school level,lets not even talk about actual professors in collages.

>>56533368
yes 300k starting literally anyjob I want is a meme

>>56533992
Don't you need an additional B.Ed for being even a teacher?

>>56534085
At a college? No.

>>56533643
highschool tutors

>>56534188
In collage ,atleast here you have to do an additional MS

>>56534222
See >>56534085

>>56534362
tutors aren't teachers

I hate to use the SJW vernacular, but /sci/ is probably one of the most 'toxic' boards on 4chan.

They can hardly hold a conversation without everyone screaming what an idiot the other person is because they are so much smarter, and routinely rip the shit out of everyone else in the scientific community because they are the smartest but their genius is unappreciated.

BS like that.

>>56534494
I don't think they will get you 300k

>>56533066
>tfw engineering major
Feels good.

>>56530768
This tbqf

The same reason they hate on Engineers, Business/Economic majors, Ag/Bio-resources, and most other non-STEM disciplines. Your typical STEM discipline is very closed off from the common man, delving into very abstract and specific areas of interest within their respective discipline, which is far removed from being of any use to the "common folk" (ie non-stem "intellectuals"). The only point that their work actually becomes useful (99% of the time) is when an Engineer, Comp Sci, or Business major take it and do something with it to create a product/service. The STEMers hate that their work is only recognized when it becomes useful to the masses, and prefer to have their "genius" only accessible to their respected peers, seeking approval from those they deem more intelligent. So basically, STEM is closed off and likes it that way (it helps justify their belief of being superior), and that means they naturally disdain other disciplines that interact more directly with the masses/average IQers. In the STEM's perfect world there is a distinct dividing line between the higher educated intellectuals and the masses who labor and serve beneath them, thereby fulfilling their need to be special snowflake intellects. This need to be seen as an intellect that is above the rest is present because they lack other avenues of fulfillment present in other disciplines. CompSci, Engineering, and Business grads are needed in industry and can more easily adapt their skills to provide needed/wanted services/products. Fulfillment and justification of their time spent learning is far more accessible because there are more ways to achieve it than with a STEM grad. Therefore, the STEM grad is a sour little terd who needs to always act as the intellect.

STEM disciplines, on their own, are being largely phased out though, instead being replaced by cross discipline. CompSci paired with a STEM is of far more importance and usefulness than just a STEM (ie just a Math or Physics major).

>>56532270
make one with /diy/

>>56535692
>talks about STEM being separate from Engineering and CompSci
What am i reading?

>>56531448
Well CS is mostly simple mathematics, logic, computability and linguistics. Also some CS focuses on not-so-advanced optimization and stochastic theory. Regardless, everything they learn is useless unless they can't implement it, thus coding is a big part of getting gud in CS, since some algos are really hard to implement and you have to be quite a proficient programmer to do so, or, if you continue to do research then programming is only, in most cases, something you can choose to do, however not necessary.

Though the main critique comes from that most of the CS denizens decide to become regular code monkeys since they can't into rigorous fields for shit. However I've met some pretty smart CS researches who are lightyears beyond all the critique CS as a field is getting.

PS Smartest mathematician in my school (top 5 in country) is interested in CS and all it entails, and what he does is very complex, even in terms of mathematics.

t. mathematician with respect for CS as a field, not most of the people.

>>56530729
>>56535692
Who do you think goes on /sci/? It's not exclusively post docs. Yeah there are a lot of physics and chemistry undergrads, but engineers and people studying IT/CS are a major part of the demographic.

>>56535692
Actually, dude, engineers are totally gay, but so is /sci/ and they are just trying to get with the qt engineers.

I would know.

>>56535947
>>56535755
Engineering and CompSci are derivatives of STEM disciplines (ie they utilize Physics, Math, Chemistry, Bio) but are not themselves full STEM. It would be like calling Business a STEM because it uses Math.

I get that many Engineer (they usually think themselves Kings of the sci disciplines) grads/undergrads frequent /sci/ and consider themselves part of the STEM area. It is only true for about 5% or less though. The rest are a bunch of moron Engineer undergrads who still don't understand what "engineering" actually entails. The minority though is made up mostly of the Engineer grads who have gone on to specialize (through experience, masters, or phd) in an area that isn't "designing" (more like trusting in software) basic roads, building foundations, utilities, etc. Anyone from CompSci who frequents /sci/ and also counts themselves superior to /g/ are trolls or mentally retarded.

>>56536165
>Engineering is not part of Science Technology Engineering and Math

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>>56536165
what does STEM stand for you fucking idiot

>>56533098
/sci/ is to x as y is to /v/
what are x and y then?

>>56533468
/sci/ is an engineers board

>>56536517
Lol

>>56536165
>The rest are a bunch of moron Engineer undergrads who still don't understand what "engineering" actually entails
No the rest of the bunch are teenagers and kids who just tried an online IQ test(60%) and those who come seeking for homework help(35%)
Only that 5% of engineers include people wjho know about science

>>56536165
STEM
SCIENCE
TECHNOLOGY
ENGINEERING
MATH
RETARD

>>56537904
>Stemr

>>56530729
>Computer ""science""
LMAO if anything it should be renamed computer technology

>>56537961
WTH? What did you just say?
It has science and it has differential calculus harder than any geometry major out there you bastard LMAO your ass I'll gonna send you a sine wave out of a microwave generator you cucker.

>>56537961
this is a popular view among people that have taken like 2 or 3 Java courses and think they're an expert.

>>56537904
It's STEAM now, you misogynistic shit.
Science Technology Engineering Arts Maths

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>>56538009
>differential calculus harder than any geometry major
>differential calculus is hard

>>56538043
On the contrary CS babbies call themselves "scientists" just for learning a bit of java and basic EE

>>56537961
Literally this. I don't even know what "calculus" is (or math in general for that matter), but I consider myself an expert in computers and technology.

>>56538099
I'm a scientist I use the scientific notation to find the value between two sets of data while using the most stressful and hardest programming language out there (VB 6) and CSS can't even beat the GUI of it.

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>>56538156

>>56538190
Computer Science is science. Computer engineering is just basically IT with hardware pajeet. In all of computer jobs Computer Engineering should be renamed to Computer Electronics.

Because they're autists. I'm an economist and I'm always collaborating with computer scientists.

>>56538245
Oh yeah, one of them was a trap I found out. This is my first time on /g/ I browse EJMR, but he would wear stockings when he worked, blew me too once when we were working and I pulled him off it was so cash.

I *really* liked collaborating with him.

>>56538231
>Computer Science is science
>Java is science
>Bit of EE is science
>Basic Math is science
No. CS is actually for people that had no balls for EE.

>>56530798
Kind of hard to take /g/ seriously either when the most anyone here does on their Linux machines is type "screenfetch".

>>56531398
they have lab coats so they impose respect from the masses

>>56538290
not everyone likes vanilla ice cream. but if you like it, it does not mean that you have balls, it just means that you have common taste

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>>56530729
Because y'all dumb af lmao

>>56538619
just because you know a specific formalism, does not make you smart.

programmers know different formalisms that solve specific problems. the difference is that they can provide practical help to people, you know like watching porn on every device you have

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>>56538652
lmao

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Reminder.

where is military science?

>>56538796
keep on sciencing mate. let us know when you do something useful/usable for your fellow citizens

>>56538826
>projecting this hard
olol

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>>56530729

>>56530768
Fuck yes

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>>56530729
>CS majors

seriously what is it with all the pseudo intellectuals? are people really that insecure that they need to feel smart and somehow superior to others? I mean thats fucking very low and pathetic.

>>56539180
Spoken like a true brainlet.

>>56538796
Computer science is science for people who actually want to get paid.
That being said they should be engineers so maybe you're right.

>>56538918
Ex-neckbeard here, a lot of NEETs that first go to college for CS stuff seem like literal retards because they are so used to doing nothing with their lives and having emotional arguments online that they are literally not used to using logic and doing work. You get over it, but it's not the kind of thing you can get advice on. Even if they still fat and out of shape, they can improve immensely because forcing oneself to really think and conceptualize to make useful software makes you feel alive for once.

In my case though, I deal with a lot of mental illness problems. I imagine the majority of them are just undisciplined, probably /pol/acks.

>>56530798
>Stay on /g/ and actually do stuff.
LOL
>>>/diy/ is 10000000x better than this shitty board. /g/ is mostly shilling and free tech support for retards

>>56531882
>>56532675
>>56533038
>>56533806
>>56533859
just look at these pics, and think about the posters

>>56530798
>/g/ complaining about shitty threads
really makes you think

I like learning about Informatics as a science, algorithms are interesting, but I always get a feeling that discussing Computer Science is better on /g/ than on /sci/. This place feels like home for me. I wish more people were interested in the scientific approach to CS, but I also like programming, OS and general IT talk along with some consumer electronics discussions.

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Just checked out /sci/ and holy heck, the autism levels there are off the charts. Just the arrogant way most OPs construct their sentences reminds me of those "gifted" autistic kids that think they're smart.

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>>56532154
Is this kid seriously trying to say that discrete mathematics is exclusive to CS and vice versa?

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>>56534494
>mfw worked as a high school teacher before going to medical school and had dozens of kids ask to me to teach at their school

Suck my dick kiddoooo, I was a teacher even if I didn't have a stupid credential

>>56539180
That is the reason why people love all the "smart" technology, you can't be dumb if you have a smartphone.

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>>56539933
>Is this kid seriously trying to say that discrete mathematics is exclusive to CS and vice versa?

No, it's saying the discrete math in CS is a joke.

They get butthurt about /pol/ wrecking them in arguments on race and related things so they pick other targets.

>>56530729
Because they're like that autistic kid who thought he was smarter than everyone else, but in reality just spent all his time memorizing the latin name of every dinosaur in his DK illustrated book.

Those books were the shit btw.

>>56533193
If you were wondering, this clip is from a series of videos that teach SICP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Op3QLzMgSY&list=PL9QAu9zhcKhFIOd00ZUTwV2dlGhClIIj8

>>56530729
Cognitive dissonance. They know that their reputation is stolen from engineers who were responsible for the technological advancement in the 21st century. Science has little to do with real world problem solving. A scientist cannot design a bridge.

Because they don't know that computer science is a type of mathematics.
They instead conflate software development with computer science.

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>PhD in Mathematics
>Any job I want
>$300k starting

lewl i have a bs in computer science

went to law school

make >200k year

feels comfy

>>56542217
>They get butthurt about /pol/ wrecking them in arguments on race and related things so they pick other targets.
It has nothing to do with /pol/. The only major and field of study respected in /sci/ is mathematics. Even physics is shat on.
>Biology
Lol idiot normalfags gtfo my /sci/
>Medicine
Lol idiot normalfags gtfo my /sci/
>Chemistry
NOT ENOUGH MATH BRAINLET LMAO
etc

I can only hope these pathetic wastes of carbon don't go to hospitals or physicians when they are ill because "it's not a respectable profession and it is easy i could be a doctor but you couldn't be a mathematician."

>>56530729
>graph theory

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>>56542380
>A scientist cannot design a bridge.
>what is architecture sciences?
>when natural sciences and above are requiered for civil engineering

>>56530729
>Abstract algebra
Who even gives a fuck

>>56542605
yeah 300k sure....

>>56530768
This, good luck finding a job with a degree in number theory or abstract algebra