/mkg/ - Mechanical Keyboard General

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>>56504903
god damn, that is one ugly keyboard

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daily meme board repost

>>56504936
The funny thing is an IBM model F 62 key is worth well over $200.

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>>56504986
okay now its my turn

Would it be better for me to just buy a blue switch keyboard and a red switch keyboard instead of just getting a brown switch keyboard, since blue switch is for typing only and red switch is for gaming?

>>56505008
very nice anon

>>56505240
there
is
no
such
thing
as
a
switch
for
gaming

>>56505240
yes

>>56505305
different switches have different characteristics

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>>56505334
wow thanks for the insight

any more tips?

>>56505240
Sounds like a good plan, especially since MX Blues don't function unless emacs is open and MX Reds don't work unless CS:GO is open.

>>56505240
Dont listen to this>>56505334 dumb ass. Yes swithces have different feels and mechanisms but there is no switch thats better for gaming its all just marketing hooblaa

Can someone explain to me why you wouldn't want tactile for gaming? I know the faq says you would be bottoming the key anyway, but with tactile wouldn't that let you know when to release the key so you can quickly switch to a different key such as changing weapons or going from left to right?

>>56505353
... so a certain switch may be more suitable FOR GAMING

>>56505372
kill yourself

>>56505305
what
is
a
linear
switch

>>56505382
with reds you can hover around the actuation point for near-instant actuation and extremely fast double taps. blues have a higher deactivation point than the activation point so there is an inherent delay built into the switch

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>>56505385
Wait dont tell me you actually fell for the reds are only for gaming and blues are for typing meme

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>>56505385
fucking kek
in what way?

which company's marketing team forced that down your throat?

>>56505413
a
switch
marketed
towards
retarded
gaymers
like
you

>>56505419
many gamers including professional gamers prefer reds you fucking autist

>>56505428
>different switches have different characteristics but i'm going to ignore this because my idiotic sperg brain can only think in black and white

>>56505414
>with reds you can hover around the actuation point

It's a nice thought but being that you can't actually feel the actuation point your floating doubletaps won't really be accurate.

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>>56505429
Wait dont tell me you also bought a corsair e-sports approved keyboard anon

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>>56505441
>i need to spend more money becuase a commercial told me some switches are better than others for gaming

yvan eht nioj, anon

>>56505453
for you

>>56505240
anyway take the advice on "gayming" from these keyboard fetishists who don't even play games with a grain of salt

>>56505474
Lol the only thing I do on my blues is game and I still end up at the top of the leader boards

https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/mechanical_switches.php

so reds having the highest rating for gaming is pure coincidence LOL

>>56505414
So you're telling me with blues I would have to let the key go all the way back up before I could use it again?

>>56505474
>for you

Keep telling yourself that. Cherries have as much as 15g of variance in tolerance from one switch to the next.

>>56505515
Fuck man Im tired and you're retarded can you please get a trip so I can filter you're gaymer trash opinions.
Also just to say again you are retarded

>>56505553
Wow 1mm of travel distance is literably unusable for games. Thanks cherry now I will fail at everything

>>56505553
it's possible to active it again without letting it go all the way up but in practice you would usually let it go all the way up which is fine when typing but not ideal for gaming. also there is resistance because of the tactile bump which adds a delay (you build up pressure until it "snaps"), with reds there is no resistance to speak of

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>>56505008

>>56505502
>I still end up at the top of the leader boards
LOL you cant make this shit up

>>56505515
you just linked a completely arbitrary list of shit.

people will rate whatever they buy highly
and people will buy whatever the PRO ESPORTS GAYMERS & marketing teams tell them to buy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choice-supportive_bias

mx reds were introduced in 2008, decades after the other switches, so companies realized they could sell them to retards like you as being a DESIGNED FOR GAMING SWITCH

>>56505622
mx blue was introduced in 2007, what's your point? and you're delusional to think that both are the same for gaming, blues are more "clunky" which is great for typing as you get a huge amount of feedback on each keystroke, while reds are more "agile"

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>>56505608

The reset point delay on blues is caused by the click slider. it has to rise past the actuation leaves before they'll separate again.

>>56505657
holy shit anon that's basically straight out of a corsair sales team

there's no such thing as a switch designed for a single task better than another.
if; by your shitty metric, a switch is only good for one thing, it's not a good switch

you're retarded and i'm done responding to you

>>56505694
>there's no such thing as a car designed for a single task better than another.
>if; by your shitty metric, a car is only good for one thing, it's not a good car

>there's no such thing as a gun designed for a single task better than another.
>if; by your shitty metric, a gun is only good for one thing, it's not a good gun

>there's no such thing as a car designed for a single task better than another.
>if; by your shitty metric, a car is only good for one thing, it's not a good car

>there's no such thing as a house designed for a single task better than another.
>if; by your shitty metric, a house is only good for one thing, it's not a good house

lol k

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>>56505670

On the other hand the tactile MX switches like browns don't actually have this delay.

The actuation point is slightly after the tactile point, so that's what you'd need to get used to in order to doubletap them effectively. The presence of the tactile point should actually help when you're used to it, even.

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>>56505716
Wait dont tell me you fell for the design by gamers for gamers memeboards

>>56505747
ok i guess you use a $5 mouse or a $200 "artisan" mouse then since the "gaming" mice are such memes

>>56505441
You are fucking stupid if you think there's a "switch made for gaming".

Fucking linear switches aren't gonna make you WASD better in Call of Duty you fucking moron.

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Since we're posting naked switches anyway...

Don't worry, she's over 18.

>>56505760
Lol no I use a g303 because it was on sale on prime day for 29 bucks and I like to finger grip. I've already removed those gay LEDs and it almost looks like a normal mouse

>>56505776
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/cherry-mx-speed-switches-corsair,31648.html

what's this then?

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>>56505795
Wait dont tell me you bought one of those corsair keyboards

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>>56505785

>>56505776
There are actually switches made for gaming. They are stiffer and have a higher actuation point.

Cherry silver switches as pointed out above, EG switches, razer switches.

>>56505841
Do you have some gifs for funky switches like Mitsumi hybrid swithches

typing and gaming are different things. different tools for different situations. what kind of horrible joke of a carpenter would try to hammer down a screw?

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>>56505891

'fraid not. Just the more common ones.

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>>56505915
>hammer down a screw

That sounds fucking boss.

>>56505933
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJRA3Ot_4vg

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Hey guys I'm looking for a new keyboard to use, my current one is dying on me and its time for a change.

I have read through the FAQ but it all seems overwhelming at the moment. Any suggestions are appreciated, thanks!

>Budget
Any amount.

>Location (continent at least)
United States

>Preferred switch type
Not sure on this one...Blue switch maybe?
I do a lot of typing for programming, which is why I've had an ergo keyboard for 8+ years.

>Layout
ANSI

>Form factor
100% I would prefer having a numpad but I'm open to suggestions.

>Backlight
No

>Previous/current keyboards
Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 (Pic related)

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>>56505991
consider going below 100% so you get less hand movement and so you can have your mouse closer to the typing area, you can still have a standalone numpad if you want, if this sounds dumb i still suggest giving it a few days of consideration. and yeah blues and greens are great

>>56506021
Having a less than 100% keyboard is retarded and you are retarded.

>>56506052
that's what i said too at first, but sure it's your money

>>56506079
I'm not the guy, I'm just too looking for a decent keyboard and can't find one, because everything decent is either tenkeyless or fucking 60%.

I never thought I'd say that, but looks like Razer Blackwidows are the best ones on the market for people looking for a 100% layout and a somewhat ergonomic form.

Even the fuckin Cherry MX board 6.0 I considered turned out to be a horror.

I have a question for Linux users who have 60% keyboards that don't have a function keys row.

How do you Ctrl + Alt + F2 ?

>>56505852
Not my point.

The point is that it's just another switch, and they called it a "gaming switch".

>>56505991
>Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 (Pic related)

What did you think of it?

I used MS ergonomic keyboards for a long time, and wanted to love the Ergo 4000, but I just couldn't get along with it. Managed to kill two of them in as many years. Some of the keys were worn to a shine after the year they lasted, and all the feet had come off.

I also found myself making more mistakes with it. Initially put it down to being unused to the new board, but never got better. Maybe too big for my hands?

Saddening, but I ditched the MS ergo line after that for a Logitech wave.

>>56506173
Because it's specifically made for a task, in this case gaming.

>>56506195
Nah, because you'll buy it because you think it'll somehow make you better at gaming because it was "made for gaming".

I swear you could make a "gaming toilet" and you fucks would still buy it.

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>>56506136
I recently brought the Cooler Master MasterKeys Pro L.
I had a wrist rest on my last keyboard but I don't miss it.
The whole keyboard is actually shaped like a bowl and I really like it. Comfy.
You can also make custom rests easily.

>>56506223
Nah, I tried them out in a shop, specifically the WASD part, and i think it would actually feel better for repetitive fast keypresses you use in FPS and RPG games.

>>56506173
it's specifically designed for gaming. they took reds, which is/was already the best suited switch for gaming (most people think so, anyway), and improved it further FOR GAMING.

>>56505991
Assuming you want to stick with ergonomic, get this:
http://matias.ca/ergopro/pc/
They come with quiet click switches, which aren't actually non-clicky tactile, but are the quietest thing you will ever type on, and way better feeling than anything cherry. They may sell a version with regular matias clicky switches somewhere, which is like a better, heavier version of the blue cherry switch, but I am not aware of it.

>>56506021
Thanks for the suggestion. Not having a numpad isn't a deal breaker. However, the picture makes this keyboard look tiny but I'll do a bit of research on it.

>>56506179
It took a while for me to get comfortable with it due to the design but it's a solid keyboard for the price.

I can't take a picture of what mine currently looks like but most of the keys are worn to a shine and the home row keys along with other commonly used keys are blank at this point.

Also, I should mention the MS Ergo 4000 is a comfortable size for my hands. Which is another reason why I think I would prefer a 100% keyboard.

>>56506239
I also always used wrist rests or the elongated keyboards like logitechs, that act as a wrist support.
I'm afraid to buy these because they look way too high without a rest and a good sign of a carpal tunnel syndrome inducer. I mean come on, was it so hard to make the bottom bezel an inch longer?
Yes, you can get a custom wrist rest, but when it's not attached to the keyboard it tends to slide around when typing.

>>56506277
keep in mind that mechanical keyboards are mostly the same in terms of key spacing and such, it's mainly the layout that affects the size

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>>56506264

>>56505991 here, this keyboard looks really interesting! I'm curious to know if anyone else has experience using this or would recommend it?

Still open for more suggestions.

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>>56506559
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/ve-a?mode=guest_open

>>56505852
>>56505915
If keyboards weren't meant for gaming should I just get a gaming keypad instead?

>>56504903
That looks horrible and is about the same size as an 80% with out the benefit.

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>>56506661
i haven't tried a keypad myself but sure why not, but it might not have enough keys depending on which game you're playing

Are Tai Hao PBTs any good?

>>56506698
>>56506724
>Razer

Really?

>>56506789
nice meme

>>56506819
Having fun there, Razer shill?

>>56506789
Pretty sure no one else produces any mechanical ones.

Also why all the hate for razer? They are funding open source projects and bringing in cheap consumer VR. What's not to like?

>>56506847
suggest a better keypad then i just googled for a keypad and saw the nostromo then i posted orbweaver too because it has more keys jeez

>>56506848
Open source does not mean free software.

>>56506559
I haven't tried the ergonomic model but I have used the switches on their full size keyboard and they are quite nice. Unfortunately they use ABS keycaps which means they will start to shine after a lot of use, and you can feel the legends. To make things worse, PBT keycaps for Alps style stems are pretty much impossible to get except by salvaging them off old boards. That only really matters if you care about keycaps though.

>>56506848
>>56506819
I thought Razer was a bad company?

>>56506879
They are actually offering VR software development tools for free. And they have VR developers fund, which will actually fund you if they like the shit you make.

>>56506922
That's not free as in freedom.

>>56506928
Copyleft is bad anyways fuck you.

>>56506928
No, they won't let you fork and take credit for their software if that's what you mean.

>>56506928
https://github.com/OSVR/OSVR-Core/blob/master/LICENSE

>>56506919
it's one of the leading gaming peripheral brands. people in /mkg/ and in /g/ hate everything that has to do with "gayming" although /mkg/ seems ok with cooler master and chink gaming brands for budget mechanical keyboards

>>56506982
They lead only in market share, not in quality.

>>56506996
razer deathadder is a god tier mouse, there are other good mice from other brands too but it comes down to personal preference

>>56506996
They have pretty decent quality. My deathadder 2013 is 3 year old now and works perfectly. The keyboards are decent too.

>>56507009
Hell no man. If it's so god tier, then why do the ergonomics suck so much?
>back end extends into your thumb muscle so it has to be held crooked or out of your palm
>comfort grooves spread your fingers wider than a rape victim's legs
>right side curves out, presumably for aesthetics since that's not how fingers work
>stiff cable
>retarded software
3.5G by the way. I think I got it in 2011 or 2012.

>>56507110
you are just holding it wrong. You are supposed to rest your whole palm on it. Then the fingers just lay on the buttons naturally and the right side curve is where your pinky is. Comfiest mouse ever.

>>56507132
this

>>56507110
the stiff cable is so it won't droop down and drag against your desk

>>56506136
>programmable TKL board
>program numpad in however you like
or you could buy a numpad, or a programmable keypad in whatever format you like (rather, choose from the loads of options out there), for that matter
3m makes a good silicon wrist rest that doesn't slide on any surface I've put it on, and it hasn't peeled or split along any edges or started to form any dents or anything like that in over a year of use so far (unlike others I've used)
don't know if any of that is appealing to you, just throwing out some ideas

>>56507132
That's not the Mionix Naos though.

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>>56507155
Shit compared to deathadder.

Deathadder is actually based on the best mouse to ever exist, with improved ergonomics.

>>56506150
Why do you need to

also you can just make a different macro for it

>>56507185
I like the feel of all razer mice, and the deathadder is their best one IMO, but their software is terrible

>>56506150
>Ctrl + Alt + F2
because F2, ctrl+F2, shift+F2, alt+F2 weren't enough

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reporting in with the memes

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>>56507246
>ssk
>not hhkb styled kishsaver
psh... loser

>>56507261
>not hhkb styled kishsaver

I'M GOOD lmao

Tell me about the kishsaver

What the fuck is it?

>>56506717

numerous people have reported they are, google for more info

>>56507280
It's the keyboard in the op only like 30 were made originally but you can order one on modelfkeyboards.com

>>56507474
Alright, I'm buying one now.

I want a god damn 60% but I'm poor. V60 is 10% off. Is that my only chance?

>>56507474
>>56507487

Wait, I'm not gonna buy one, because it's basically an ersatz IBM keyboard made this year.

why is this fucker able to profit off of IBM's brand? and brag about it? he's gonna get hit with a cease and desist

>>56507509
yeah seems weird but he's not using the IBM logo so it might be ok? idk i'm not a legal expert obviously

>>56504903
Mmm, Model F 4704 series. Refinished classic, or one of Joe's new ones?
>>56504936
>god damn, that is one ugly keyboard
sez you
>>56506692
>That looks horrible and is about the same size as an 80% with out the benefit.
It also weighs about 30 lbs and is made of solid cast metal. Oh, and capacitive buckling spring.

>>56508047
u bein sarcastic m8 i swer 2 christ

>>56507509
>why is this fucker able to profit off of IBM's brand? and brag about it? he's gonna get hit with a cease and desist
Huh? He's making new, reasonably good copies of a keyboard that went out of production 35+ years ago and are rare as hens' teeth. They're fantastic to type on.
>>56508047
>yeah seems weird but he's not using the IBM logo so it might be ok? idk i'm not a legal expert obviously
Only the logo would still be protected and he's not using it (or the original firmware).

>>56504903
>skull ESC key
lol

>>56508297
what is the exact name of the original IBM model he is emulating? that's what I want to buy.

>>56505008
want

>>56506848
>>56506819
https://www.amazon.com/Tactical-Assault-Commander-Controller-Officially-Licensed/dp/B01JTOWU0K/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1473057060&sr=8-9&keywords=hori

What do you guys think of this keypad?

>>56508371
You can't only 35+ were made

Kishsaver is the name though

>>56508391
I found the industrial SSK, I will find the Kishsaver

Are there mech keyboards that feature a trackpoint? I seriously hate using a mouse.

>>56508423
TEX Yoda

TEX is top-tier build quality imo

Why do people want keyboards without numpad?

>>56508430
They aren't really accessible

The ibm m13 is okay

>>56508449
Why do YOU want a numpad?

>>56508449
Hipsters.

>>56508449
imo it's much better to have your mouse as close as possible to the typing area and the numpad gets in the way of that. you can still get a standalone numpad if you really want one.

>>56508449
Tkl is stupid, but 75 and 60 are okay because to type numbers all you do is slightly lift your hand forward

>>56508449
I have literally never found a use for a numpad. I'm pretty fast with toprow numbers.... born in '93 fwiw

>56508481
No (You)s for you m80.

>>56508430
>>56508456
Thanks. I'll look into both of these.

>>56508498
Why tkl is the most retarded form factor ever there is no reason to have that layout other then the fact you have retard autism

https://www.modelfkeyboards.com/

>keyboards WITHOUT keys start at $325

fuck me in the ass

>>56508423
>http://www.pckeyboard.com/page/product/UB40PGA

only problem is it's not very pretty, and if you're out of the US shipping might be expensive

>>56508813
as far as i can tell, he is just a nigger profiting off of spendy posh keyboard buyers.

Does it exist a 60% nordic keyboard?

>>56508843
aslo Nordic keycap set that is blank and

>>56508371
It's one of the 4704 bank terminal keyboards. There were three models, that's the middle one. They came with varying numbers of keys depending on the contracted config.

>>56508474
I would think that if someone wants to be a super hacker with their mechanical keyboard then they'd want to learn how to navigate using primarily keyboard shortcuts. During a gaming situation I like to hold my shoulders kind of wide, can't imagine feeling 'on the edge of my seat' with my shoulders huddled in to keep my mouse where my numpad used to be.

Plus if you have a job that requires a lot of computer use you'll probably be doing some amount of data entry and the numpad really helps with that.

The only reasons I can see to go tenkeyless are aesthetics, which defy any argument, and fitting into a small workspace, which seems a paradoxical thing to complain about, a problem you'd get fixed if you're going to spend $100 on the keyboard alone.

So the only reason for one to go tkl is if one is a minimalist fag

>>56508842
>as far as i can tell, he is just a nigger profiting off of spendy posh keyboard buyers.
Sounds like good Yankee upbringing to me.

>>56508909
whatever

>>56508904
>I would think that if someone wants to be a super hacker with their mechanical keyboard then they'd want to learn how to navigate using primarily keyboard shortcuts.
no that's ridiculous, only poser linux fags do that kind of thing

i don't like tkl but jeez man the rationalization is strong in your post

>>56508904
Having a large keyboard is pretty bad for shortcuts senpai desu nigga

>>56508904
>keyboard shortcuts are for hacker wannabes
>sprawling your arms out like some sort of gorilla
>shoving your mouse out a whole foot from your center unless you're absolutely disgusting and shift the keyboard over to the left
>>56508949
I don't have an OS that phones home.

DO PBT become kinda glossy/buttery?

>>56509114
Ya'll faggots need to lurk more.

>>56508391
You can buy anything with enough money.

>>56509114
yes but it takes a really long time

Is UV Coated ABS keycaps recommened for poorfag?

>>56508949
It is, but what fun is any of this without some slander

>>56508963
Do tenkeyless keyboards usually have more closely spaced keys? I think only the function keys are closer

>>56508983
Having your arms ~10" apart on the desk because you're using tkl and have your mouse where your numpad used to be makes it harder to keep your shoulders square, compared to the ~19" apart I usually have them, during gaming. Square shoulders are generally better than rounded shoulders because they promote better posture and allow deeper breaths.

>>56508840
Cool, I'll look into this one as well. As far as looks go, I honestly only really care about functionality, but I AM outside the US so I'm kinda used to prices being higher anyway.

Are IBM Model F's the 'bottom of the rabbit hole'? Is there a keyboard type that is supposed to be even more clicky and tactile and satisfying and [spoiler]expensive[/spoiler]

>>56509261
If anything, I would think that whatever the fuck you're doing is worse for posture since your back muscles have to be tense all the time.

>>56509261
no this is not fun you idiotic sperg

your arms don't sit 10" apart even with tkl with your hands on wasd and the mouse

kill yourself you delusional dickwad

>>56507200
>you can just make a different macro for it
how?

>>56504994
Yeah, like $600

>>56509336
nah dude, one of the most important parts of good posture is actively using your muscle to support yourself. If you're standing up all day and you don't use your abdominals to some degree, then your lower back slumps into lordosis and hurts at the end of the day. If you're sitting at a desk and you don't keep your shoulders squarish and your back straight, then your upper back slumps into kyphosis and you get that awful velociraptor neck.


>>56509370
yeah, I guess you're mouse wouldn't be right on where the numpad used to be, but I'm sure the width would still be around 13", if your hands were close enough that you would bump into the keyboard and need to go tenkeyless.

>>56509505
you can have whatever width you fucking want, and you get room to spare for side to side mouse movements, for fuck's sake

>>56509330
not even close, but it's pretty good as far as clicky switches. beamspring, alps plate spring, fujitsu leaf spring gen 3, skcm blue alps, and omron switches are all good next moves.

for liner and tactile, could spend all day naming switches.

>>56505785
Is that complicated or simplified alps? It doesnt look as good as I imagined

Is there a good reason not to get this keyboard? I like the aesthetics other than the branding on it, and I like the switches on it.

http://www.pckeyboard.com/page/product/UB40P4A

>>56505008
how is this kinda layout even called?

Any reputable manufacturers located in the UK? I'm a Bong and I'd like to support local business if possibru

>>56509774
Biggest problem is only 2 key roll over, so it'll be useless for gaming. Still great for typing though. I'm amazed it only has 2 key roll over, what the fuck

>>56509888
2 key roll over is too little even for typing / general computer use imo

you should have 6 key roll over minimum just to be on the safe side, and most non-shit keyboards have N key roll over because the only excuse not to have it is if the manufacturer cheaps out on the microcontroller

>>56504903
>"a keypad and cursor keys are wasted space! Nobody needs those!"

>"let's put a huge weird-ass useless bezel around the keyboard for no reason

Aesthetics over function = get the fuck out of /g/ with that garbage

>>56509957
the design is borderline ancient the large frame might have been more or less necessary

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Are the top 2 ones IBM? Or am i blind

>>56509949
I can't believe that a company that touts being so high quality is lacking in that department.

>>56506919
They're expensive for what you get, but it's not at all bad.

What's /mkg/'s opinion on the cooler master masterkeys pro s?
It's the only tenkeyless board that has rgb lights (i want orange backlighting) that i can find in my country (i need my languages special snowflake characters daily so ordering abroad seems to be out of the question)

So is typing on red switches really that bad, because the only reason you can't type on them is that you double tap?

If so should I just get browns instead for playing games, but I don't understand why a gamer would need the tactile feel since wouldn't the bump just get in the way of if you know what you're doing while gaming?

>>56510285
People here don't know what they're talking about. I own reds and browns. Both are fine for games. Reds don't double tap unless you're a really light typist with Parkinson's, and I've never had that issue myself.
I got my browns more recently and prefer those because they're just a little heavier which feels nice. The tactile bump is so tiny that if you're typing at any decent speed, you won't feel it.

>>56510315
Which one do you think I should get then? This will be my first mechanical keyboard and up to this point I've only been using membranes like the Logitech K200.

>>56510347
Hard to say. I'd think any switches with more tactility are just a little more "fun" than linear ones, and might give you a better idea of what different mechanical switches can feel like. Personally, I'd go for browns now as my favourite cherry switches, but I've yet to try clears which are the same but with a bit more feedback. I type with light fingers so anything heavier might not be for me anyway.

>>56508904

>I would think that if someone wants to be a super hacker with their mechanical keyboard then they'd want to learn how to navigate using primarily keyboard shortcuts

Wut? Kinda far-fetched reasoning tbqh, you can use and map shortcuts on pretty much any keyboard

>Plus if you have a job that requires a lot of computer use you'll probably be doing some amount of data entry and the numpad really helps with that.

This on the other hand is a very valid reason, I have to handle excel sheets and calculations at work daily, and I'd be fucked without a numpad. Then again you're on /g/, the land of "I don't get why his usecase is different than mine"

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>>56510347

You could try getting a cheap tester off ebay of something, if you don't have a way to try them onsite. Ordered one a few days ago, as me and a few friends want to check which switch feels best before buying. It was 15€, as it has a few clone switches as well, but the simple ones with one cherry of each type can go as low as 5€.

I've been researching which mkb to get for my first for a few days now, and I think I'm settling on the one anon posted earlier,

>https://www.massdrop.com/buy/e-element-rgb-keyboard

seems like a solid choice for a solid price, is there a big flaw in it?

I have a wpm of 90. How much can I expect to gain moving from a laptop keyboard to a mechanical keyboard?

>>56511197
You can expect to slow down as you get used to the change - then, it would depend on your typing style and your individual preference.

Get a key-tester and see which one feels best to you.

A warning: It may be that laptop scissor-switch is already your endgame, because you might have gotten used to a very short travel.

Hey, guy pissed at steelseries here. You probably know me from several post like "I bought this 6gv2 piece of shit" "steelseries sell faulty products" etc...

I found a fix for all these double, triple or more registration on my 6gv2.

Just spray come fucking silicon oil in the switch and and flicker it down a few times, wait for it to dry and put the keycap back on.

It fixed ALL the faulty letters from double/triple registering. I don't give a shit if you think it's bad or whatever, it just worked.

Still, fuck steelseries.

Is there something with a clicky feedback yet silent?

>>56511197
I was about 100 wpm around 5 years ago when I first got a mechanical keyboard, slowed me down around 5-10 wpm at first and then increased to around 135 over the following 2-3 years.

>>56511936
I hope you mean tactile feedback and silent, but yes there's black alps switches which you can get on ebay for around 50 bucks

Just out of curiosity how much would you guys pay for an ibm model m ssk

>>56511982
no more than $20, since they make brand new Model M's for $84, so why should I pay much for a 30 year old keyboard

>>56509980
I doubt it but they still can be mechanical with alps or something, especially the top one

>>56511422
Kek

>>56509980
not IBM for sure.
middle is mitsumi slider over rubber or plain rubber.

top top is a case many mechanicals used to have, I dont remember by heart but it is in the dt wiki so search a bit

goyz i have oldschool membrane olivetti keyboard. I like it alot, do i need to change it soob ???

>>56512092
ok, top is also mitsumi, but actually mechanical,
depending on who you wask
https://deskthority.net/wiki/Mitsumi_KPQ-EA4YA

>>56512111
is it broken? then no. Its one of the better rubber domes out there

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I wonder will unicomp produce new model F keyboards or are they still to niche?
I wouldn't mind picking up a 77 key model F for around 150 bucks, much better then $400 those other guys are doing

>>56512154
the only prob is that PS connector is not good (before 5 years i change it). is it wort it to get ps2 to usb converter (im not big fan of it). Spasiba nigga.

>>56512216
I wouldn't recommend it since PS/2 isn't hot swapable and switching it to USB won't change that, or do you just not have enough PS/2 ports and you want to free up some more

>>56505008
Thanks, doc.

>>56512253
my mistake, not connector i mean converter. I got one,and it works but i dont like it (often lose connection and sometimes inputlag - idk if the second one is placebo )

>>56512216
You can always use PS2 to USB adapter later if you decide to buy classic mech keyboard and they are cheap. Also many modern keyboards include that adapter so I think it shouldn't lag if its not broken

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Got this for free today

NMD techonologies RT-102

Did i find something worth using?

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>>56513171
Pop a cap and check the switch and the keycaps.

And post a picture of the label on the back.

>>56513171
Anything is better than that shitty gamer keyboard you have sitting behind it.

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>>56513201
Pretty common keyboard after what i found on google

>>56513258
Yup, google says it'd have clicky space invaders.

Are the keycaps doubleshot? How do the switches feel?

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>>56513278

When keyboards have RGB, are they usually able to mix colors, or no? If there's no single white light source, can I mix the lights to make white? I want a gently lit keyboard at night, but just with a gentle white, not neons. I've found a white backlit keyboard for relatively cheap, but the font is so damned 'hacker,' and translucent keycaps with a more neutral font are proving to be pretty expensive

is topre good?

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>>56513313
Most RGB boards will allow you to mix the colors, since that's the point of RGB. Though white generated by RGB LEDs tends to have a bit of a blue hue to it as opposed to pure white from single color white LEDs.

>>56513349
Yes, though other switches are also good

>>56513349
They are rubber domes that feel consistent and actuate before bottoming out. If you like the idea of that then yeah they are good.

Will the carbon keycaps from this link fit my Majetouch 2?
http://www.mechsupply.co.uk/product/tai-hao-pbt-sunshine

>>56513309
It seems like its this model https://deskthority.net/wiki/Digital_RT102

It doesnt click loud or tick while pressing right? Its dome with sliders, so its not as good as mechanical, but its made in Thaiwan and should have better quality than modern dome boards

>>56513309
What switch is that?

>>56513309
Rubber dome with sliders.
The same as in the Dell Quietkeys.

I used blues before and loved them.
However I'm moving now and my current keyboard is likely too loud for my new flat, so I'm looking for something similar to blues, but quieter.
Was looking at clears, but you can't get an 80% ISO keyboard with clears <200$ in Europe, it seems.
Any recommendations for other switches or keyboards?

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about to buy these PBTs from china for my black rapid-i

i hope its a good idea

>>56514074
Are those laser-etched?

You'd rather not if they are.

>>56514157

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Translucidus-Keycap-Retro-gray-108-PBT-Backlit-Keycap-OEM-Profile-For-MX-Switches-Mechanical-Keyboard-Gaming/32674256299.html

rgb backlighting looks like shit true but i got white LEDs so it should be ok

>>56514197
Oh, it's that new set of backlight compatible PBT. Should be fine since they're doubleshot, looks quite acceptable for the price.

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>>56514230

right, it has positive reviews and fast shipping it seems, plus some dude added a photo in feedback and the white backlight row looks fine, i'll order and post when its shipped

Clears vs browns? Which do you like better, /mkg/?

Ducky One or Filco Majestouch-2?

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>>56514331
Filco has better build quality, but if you want to save 50 bucks then go with ducky. Pic related is mine

>>56514331
>>56514375
Filco are pretty damn sexy. I'm still torn between ISO or ANSI layout though

is the lioncast LK20 decent? anyone used it?

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>>56507246
switchwave

>>56513643
https://deskthority.net/wiki/NMB_dome_with_slider most probably

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Fag lights are pretty cool, /g/.

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>>56508904
>During a gaming situation

>>56508909
model F guy if you're reading this post, i'm sorry, i was drunk when i wrote this, i actually think it's cool what you're doing

>>56515970
meant to quote >>56508842

>>56514074
I want these but non backlit
I cant find em anywhere

>>56508949
While he's a huge faggot for wording shit that way, its true to an extent. I always use keybinds in games to the best of my ability. In unreal tournament I rebound most of my weapon hotkeys and shifted them to keys around WASD because only bads take their fingers off the keyboard or scroll to switch weapons. I'm not a tourneyfag either, its just a game to me but that doesnt mean I want to play badly.

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>>56507246
Not bad

>>56516059
that's either joe or orihalcon ...

>>56516059
Given all the M/F posts (heh, keyboard slash) I should unpack my cubic meter of IBM keymeme and take some pics...

Do people really program on 60%s? isnt it really inconveniet to have no dedicated arrow keys?

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>>56516242
some 60% do have arrow keys if you absolutely need them

>>56516296
That's 75% at least.

>>56516242
my poker II has the arrow keys plotted under Fn + WASD. I'm not a programmer, but I'm a writer who uses arrows a lot. I've actually found that it's better once you get the hang of it, don't have to move your right hand into a different plane of existence, just stroke Fn and use the WASD arrows in your left hand.

>>56516059
>blank keycaps on the industrial

I've said it once and I'll say it again, y u do dis?

>>56516296
how could you not absolutely need it? sounds inconvenient asf to navigate a terminal with it

>>56509820
you could call it a 40%

>>56505305
what are cherry mx reds

>>56505724
but clears have a bigger bump than browns so they're better for typing

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>>56506698
I still have my nostromo if someone wants it, I could make an ebay listing or something

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>>56509820
Its a 35% keyboard. Its name is also in the filename
>>56516348
Almost
Pic related is a 40%

>>56516413
>>56516413
where can I get that retarded board I need it

>>56516425
It was on massdrop, but it ended like 2 days ago. I think you can still get it on Taobao

>my laptop has a better rubber dome keyboard than any cherry switch i've ever used
>it doesn't fucking click all the time
rip

>>56516568
>i've ever used

Found your problem.

>>56516568
Looks like you need to get a heavier switch so you don't bottom out all the time

>>56516530
massdrop is fucking stupid i would never but thanks

>>56516568
why comment when you don't know what you're talking about

>>56516568
>rip

You must be 18 to use this board, you little faggot.

>>56516662
Its a Chinese keyboard, but you can contact them to see if they will let you buy one
https://world.taobao.com/item/537338669784.htm?spm=a312a.7700714.0.0.obLvQ1#detail

>>56516059
>no square labels
>industrial cases with fake badges
>blank keycaps on an industrial

yeah, not bad indeed

>>56517627
Should I buy a square label IBM industrial for 170 bucks, or is it too much?

>>56517689
oh hell yeah

http://www.shopgoodwill.com/auctions/1985-IBM-Model-M-Industrial-Grey-AT-Keyboard-29074934.html

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>>56517777
Im so mad right now I lost the page and I keep finding these stupid oval left badges for 100-150 bucks, Though I did find a m13 in industrial grey should I go for that?
I also found this keyboard to for 50 bucks. I've wanted an ibm model f for cheap but this is the only one I can find

>>56517930
chances are they don't have them in stock, even if the listing is still up. M13s are worth 400-500, oval badges 100-150.

maybe even less now that everyone and their dog can buy a case for 25 bucks. the 3178 you pictured is definitely worth maybe 100 shipping inclusive.

>>56517993
>M13s are worth 400-500
wait really I've found like 6 for under 100 but they are all the beige and black ones

>>56518023
I meant industrial ones. Black ones 150-200, beige go for 100 (with standard layouts).

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How much are the old dell logo keyboards worth?
I found this one with black alps for 40 bucks

Speaking of alps, I found an Ortek mck84 for 50 cents, with a smashed din plug, replaced it with a working ps/2 one but it doesn't really work well, most of the keys don't register. Tried shorting them from the bottom while the thing is connected and the circuit works, you get the keypress, so I guess it's shit switches? Would silicon oil work? Not that the keyboard is good, it's ass, the caps wobble way too much.

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How much would this NDB Hi-Tek dome with slider be worth?

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I'm having issues with my Ergodox. My h key seems to repeat very often. It's only that key. I popped the keycap and looked at it and it seems fine. Anyway to debug it and figure out what's wrong?

>>56518398
you sure it's wired up right? could also be bad resistors or dirty/corroded contacts and traces

>>56518596
Replace the switch, its probably just chattering.

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Guys check out this white alps keyboard I found for only 30 bucks. Sweet deal huh...

>>56518634
It was fine for a while. Probably the first year or so of it's life. Then that just started happening. It's not wired properly though, I've also been having issues when moving the keyboard from the office to my place; all of a sudden the left side of the keyboard just stops responding. All in all, I think the moral of the story is that the ergodox isn't a travel friendly keyboard. I will admit that it was my first soldering job and I didn't do an amazing job at it, my friend who's better at it needed to help me and fix some mistakes. so yeah, might be related to that as well.

>>56518570
>Dome with slider
$1

>fullsize
>white backlight
>decent build quality
>€120

Am i asking too much? Does such a keyboard even exist?

>>56518707
That's fucking fire bro, w2c?

>>56518666
What does chattering mean?

I'm thinking of just getting it replaced with this;

https://ergodox-ez.com/pages/keyswitches

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>>56505991
Keep the faith anon.

>>56518869
>What does chattering mean?

An electrical contact failure that happens on the switch, triggering multiple inputs. Its usually just some rust/defect/bending on the switch's contact leaf. Replacing the entire switch fixes it.

>>56519063
Ok, thanks

>>56505991
I hate to break it to you, but the United States is not a continent

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>>56519142
I hate to break it to you, but you suck at reading comprehension

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>>56518634

I'm positive, I used a multimeter. If it was wrong wiring when I shorted the bad keys they wouldn't register like they're meant to. It's probably something at the top.

hey mkg. I need to get a new mech, one that has a programmable layer I can program dvorak to like my poker 2. I need to be able to bring it to work and plug and play typing dvorak on any of the offices computers but my current poker 2 is cherry mx blues and I have already got some complaints on the sound. Also what switches are the quietest while still feeling like blues?

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What's the consensus on this thing?

>>56519215
You're gay for contemplating on buying it

>>56507246
came 2bh

>>56519211
Buy a v60qm quiet click matias nigga

>>56519247
damn.

>>56519215

I posted earlier having issues with mine but you could probably get this instead;

https://ergodox-ez.com/

Soldering it was fun but honestly, I wouldn't do it again. Better to just get higher quality premade. Up to you though.

Is buying used mechanical keyboards advised?

Which is the better deal:
Logitech G710 for $75 (blues)
Corsair K60 for $60 (reds)
Corsair K65 $120 (reds)

I found several IBM SSKs between 80-140 dollars. Are they worth that price?

>>56506879
Why do you expect things people make to be free?

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>>56519215

To answer your question, I think it's an amazing keyboard. I love how you can layer several things. I have it so that I get a numpad on the right hand keyboard. I just press the bottom most left key on the main board to activate the layer. I also have some cool config. I'm also a programmer who uses vim, this makes using vim so much more pleasant.

One thing I haven't done is mess with the firmware. Currently I'm using software to make swap numbers for symbols, so instead of pressing 123456789 on the top of keyboard, I get !$%^&()* which again helps a lot with vim.

I only type numbers with the layered numpad I created.

>>56519382
I think he means free as in freedom
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.en.html

>>56519417
>>56519215

On the left of layer 1, what I did was set it up so that I could command and ctrl tab/tilde on the home row, and not have to do odd wrist contortions to do something simple like cycle through apps on OSX. Obviously you can set it up for windows or linux if that's what you prefer.

>>56519343
If it's an alps board yes

>>56519343
If you're going to buy a used keyboard at least buy something that durable. Those cheapo keyboards probably have faulty LEDs in them.

>>56519274
looking into it. does it have a programmable layer?

>>56519552
>>56519477
instruct me senpals

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>>56519594
IBM model Fs are practically indestructible, but if your budget is around $75 then a cheaper model M would be the way to go.

If you want an apple keyboard then get an AEK (pic related) they usually sell for around 50-60 bucks

Now if you want a cheap but very solid keyboard then a dell AT101W which sell for around $40 is your best bet
Get white alps if you want clicky switches or black alps if you want a quieter but tactile switch (these tend to be 5-10 dollars more expensive)

All these prices that I've seem include shipping

>>56505933
>membrane
>get out

>>56519713
>>56519594

yeh, Model F, AEK or Dell AT101 would be my picks depending on what switch type you like.

Ms are too much of a gamble for the money now, unless you're certain the rivets are intact it's worth paying 20-30 more for guaranteed working F.

Thoughts on WASD keyboards? Is CODE just a WASD keyboard with lighting?

Thinking about a $40 red dragon, since blues are my favorite switch and red is a nice color that won't fuck up my night vision.

Anyone tried one? Complaints?

>>56520840
My issue with wasd keyboards is the keycaps they use. For something that expensive you'd think that they use something more premium. I've seen keyboards that are cheaper but still have dye-sub PBT caps, while wasd uses some of the worst ABS keycaps I've seen

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>>56520919
these are some pretty thin keycaps.

>>56520919
They're probably one of the top 5 chinkboards out right now (magicforce, zhuque, ganss, plum etc), get it with a $25 set of PBT caps from aliexpress and you're set for years.

>>56520840
Barebones VP3 looks like a good deal if you're going to change out the keycaps anyway on a Pok3r since they're exactly the same.

>>56517627
The one with the blue badge is an industrial case. The rest are real.

>>56509693
>Is that complicated or simplified alps?

It's complicated ALPS. The complicated part being the switch contact sandwich in white on the left. Simplified ALPS replaces that with just two shaped metal leaves and that doesn't feel as beefy imo

>It doesnt look as good as I imagined

What did you imagine it looked like? That loose action you're seeing is what makes the switch so smooth without even needing any lubricant.

>>56512210

I don't think Unicomp has the tech or tooling for the capacitives.

>>56520156
Fun fact: The IBM Model M is also a membrane keyboard.

>>56523225
>>56523225
new thread