/pcbg/- PC Building General

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Reposting for more opinions

Lets talk about normal case fans
whats the RPM acceptable for cooling a normal PC before going into full retard overkill mode? maximum of 1200-1500?
if I have the option between 120mm and 140mm, is there a point in going for 140 over 120?

>>56490078
how the fuck can ram have such a big impact on gaming? Am I getting meme'd here

>>56490078
Perfect, I was looking for a thread like this.

tl:dr: Should I wait until Cyber Monday / Christmas shopping season to buy and build a gaming computer, or just do it today?

I'd like a gaming computer now so that I may play Blizzard's games, such as Overwatch, Diablo III and World or Warcraft. Possibly League of legends.

In any case none of those are big-ticket games (save for maybe Overwatch) when it comes to graphics, so I'm not expecting to run multiple GPU's or get premium stuff. I would like to get a cheap water cooling system and an i7 processor though.

I'm not on too strict a budget and wouldn't mind spending near $1500.

>>56490151
Only works for pos-coded games.

>>56490151
bethesda can't do anything right

>>56490151
The game treats system RAM as extended VRAM for things not yet on screen, and does it heavily. Constantly swapping huge chunks of data in and out of RAM so it needs the extra bandwidth. It would likely keep scaling well beyond 3000mhz if the CPU in question could handle it.

>>56490164
Other titles do it, just not to the same absurd degree. The Witcher 3 shows the same behavior. The difference is The Witcher can justify it since theres a lot of high fidelity textures and tons of detailed geometry. Fallout in contrast looks like garbage.

>>56490151
iirc ram is one of those things where you either have enough, in which case it's not noticeable at all, or you don't have enough, in which case you'll experience all sorts of terrible things.

>how do i know if i have enough ram?

Open your system monitor during a normal usage session (so when you have your commonly used apps open, like skype, a million porn tabs, visual studio, whatever, all at ocne) and look at your ram used. Do you have 4 - 8 gigs of spare ram? If you answered yes, then you probably have enough to play most games *while* all that shit is open.

Either way 16 gigs should be enough for anything but x-treme 3D modeling / animation / film editing

>>56490151
it's a bethesda game, aka a fucking mess of code and optimization
you shouldn't even be playing it above 60fps anyways
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4EHjFkVw-s

>>56490162
Overwatch ran like a charm during the beta on my GTX 660+Intel i3. It's pretty well made.

What are you looking for in terms of waiting time? You say you're considering waiting till the end of the year, so does that mean you're not particularly fussed if it takes you that long, and maybe already have something up and running at the moment?
In that case I suppose you could wait yes. But I don't think there will be many improvements in technology over that time. Intel and AMD are only coming with new products in 2017, and that's a long way from now.

If you want to get a nice computer, you can just go for it and not bother reading all the advertising in December. If you know you're going to be upset about some deals several months down the line, then wait. If, on top of that you want a 7700k instead of a 6700k, then wait till 2017. I mean, maybe it'll only be January before those are released.

Are you also interested in what would be a good setup?

>>56490199
>The game treats system RAM as extended VRAM for things not yet on screen, and does it heavily
if you had a gpu with more VRAM would that help as well?
>>56490208
16 gigs is enough ok thanks

>>56490370
>if you had a gpu with more VRAM would that help as well?
Maybe. It could be that the engine isn't dynamically partitioning things to send to system RAM, and the content it swaps over there is static. So it would keep relying on your system RAM even if you had a GPU with an infinite amount of VRAM.

>>56490370
I cannot test VRAM+Bethesda for you, but I guess so?
The graph doesn't really tell what exact settings were used. Maybe all the LoD settings were completely maxed out beyond use.

>>56490384
You imagine it works a bit like swappiness in the Linux kernel? Then I guess a game made by Fallout devs would require tons of VRAM before it will start behaving normally.
The 980 is 4GB right?

Anons I am interested in the new APUs for living room build when they hit consumer market. Purpose is to have console-like device to play movies, play games and browse the web from couch.

Would PicoPSU be good for this setup or I should just get regular smaller form factor PSU?

>higher-end bristol ridge APU, most likely a 35W part with low profile cooler
>ITX mobo with m.2 SSD and DDR4
>media content on NAS

Also what OS would you recommend? I want to run emulators as well, does that limit me to OS? I would rather save the money and go free Linux.

>>56490354
>Intel and AMD are only coming with new products in 2017, and that's a long way from now.
Ok. I was equally concerned with the potential savings I'd lose by buying now than later, as I was concerned with the opportunities I'd miss out on by buying now, rather than potentially getting something better later. So that cancels one of my reasons to wait.

>Are you also interested in what would be a good setup?
I was looking @ logicalIncrements.com and it seems I can build a great gaming PC for $1000 to $1200 (and that includes an SSD).

I'd like to use water cooling though because my house gets very hot (no insulation nor AC) and I've actually fried 3 GTX 460's

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Harddrives really are the hardest fucking thing to buy, arent they?
Seems like everything fucking fails after a year nowadays

>>56490633
not to be an ass but if you keep regular backups this isn't really a problem

>>56490633
HGST

>>56490651
So you have a backup car also?

Those things should work at least during their warranty after 6 decades of development ffs.

>>56490698
External Hard drives.

>>56490698
just buy japanese drives i.e toshiba or hitachi

everything else is memes

>>56490456
I see no reason why a picopsu wouldn't be able to power a small system like that. There's not much information about the new APUs out yet, but it looks like your standard stuff.
So I see no reason why PicoPSU wouldn't be fine.

Linux will work great for movies, emulators and all that, but obviously won't be suitable for running DX11 games. On the plus side, with AMD's new open source driver move, it should work quite well out of the box!
Still, a Windows license is only as much as you pay for it.

>>56490483
I wonder how much watercooling is going to do for you. I imagine you'll be going for a GTX 1060 or a 1070, and they are quite different to the old Fermi chips. Those things were hot even in cold locations.
But we're on /g/, so it could just be for the fun of it.

And don't forget that you might want to choose parts depending on your needs rather than a guide. You might already have a PSU, a case. You might want to plan for possible future upgrades and go for a single stick of 8GB of RAM and place an identical one in a few years time. Or if you have current storage you could opt to go for a smaller SSD, but have it be NVMe.

>>56490633
The last HDD that failed on me was an IDE 20GB disk many many years ago. Now it's cheap USB storage that fails on me.

>>56490735
I just checked, and Western Digital only gives the minimum amount of warranty they can get away with. I wouldn't trust them with my data. But I cannot find the warranty on Toshiba drives, HGST gives 3 years which is good.
HGST isn't even worse in terms of cost.

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>mfw when build I thought was dead just POST'd

Now time to organize all these cables.

It really is
/pcag/ - PC Assembly General

>>56490948
>new 144hz monitor
>set the setting to 144hz
>mouse now glides like a knife on warm butter
So this... Is the power... Of PC

When I was like, 6 or something, in 1996-7, or somewhere, fuck if I remember, my absent father told me he was going to build me a computer.

He didn't.

Now I'm assembling my own computer. Fuck you, daddy. I made it. Fuck you.

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>>56490656
>4tb hgst drive is 2 dollars cheaper than a 3tb wd drive
i dont get it

>>56490964
It really is
/pcag/ - PC Autism General

How sad/good is it that 64gb microsd things are like $25 each. Makes me want to buy a c201 and libreboot it and never use it because it doesn't fit my use case.

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IS it realistic to aim for a 300 bucks price tag (completely new build) when all i want to do is basically just replace my phenom x4 with a current-gen CPU+mainboard and all the other parts in the new build (ram,gpu,periphery et al) save for the hdd and psu maybe (+tower of course) would be basically just shit-tier low cost parts which i would then replace with their equivalents from my current build?

Also when are next gen CPU's coming out

>>56491275
Early 2017.
Asus H110M-A D3 + Intel Core i5-6400
That should still work fine with your existing DDR3 memory. You can use all components you already have, except for the motherboard and CPU of course. And it's quite cheap.

>>56490633
I have never had a harddrive fail on me. Some of my oldest ones are about 6 years old and they are doing fine and dandy. You sure your cooling setup keeps them from getting too hot?

>>56491411
I wonder what the real DOA & failure rates are for bare drives shipped to end consumers.

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Scrub questions incoming.

1/. If I only need a 400w PSU but I buy a 650w one to allow for future upgrades........ will I have any issues?

2/. Anti-static wristbands....... yay or nay

3/. Soundcards...... do you need one or do most mobo's have a "basic" one kind of built in?

Regarding static: Can I just dismantle my old machine, plug in the power supply and rest my foot on it? How often would I need to do that? Am I gonna get lekchecuted?

>>56491546
>1/. If I only need a 400w PSU but I buy a 650w one to allow for future upgrades........ will I have any issues?
No issues.
>2/. Anti-static wristbands....... yay or nay
They're cheap; get one if it makes you feel more comfortable.
>3/. Soundcards...... do you need one or do most mobo's have a "basic" one kind of built in?
You don't need a sound card. All motherboards except for server boards have built-in audio.

>>56491573
What are you saying?

>>56491592
g r o u n d i n g

>>56491606
But I have no idea what you're trying to say.
Put your case down, make sure the screws for board elevation are fitted so the board doesn't touch the case directly, then put in your CPU, fan, GPU, storage, add SATA cables, fit RAM (hold it by the cooler if you're worried), plug in power cables and close the case.

>>56491592
built in audio is usually shit

>>56491592
Thanks. I reckon I'll go with the rm650x then.


Does anyone know if there is a good website to go to to check if you will have any bottlenecking issues between a CPU and GPU?

>>56491630
but don't I need to be g r o u n d e d for s t a t i c

I have l i t t l e m o n e y to fuck things up, you know?

>>56490078
Some related stuff, but memory timings, not memory speed

http://bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=119474.0

>>56491641
It's okay. It's usually better to get better sound output (headphones, speakers) than to mess around with marginal improvements and C-Media drivers.

>>56491652
If the 650W PSU will make you more comfortable, then go ahead.
The bottlenecking depends on the application. For database servers your storage or RAM can easily bottleneck you. The OP's post for example has a weirdly programmed game as an example where RAM can be a bottleneck.
Usually you're well off with an i5. Me and my SO both have very different CPUs, an i3 versus an i7 and you can definitely notice the i3 bottlenecking on some games we play together, but whether you really need an i7 over an i5 unless you're going with a GTX 1070 or higher?
What parts are you planning on?

>>56491666
What's wrong with your typing?

So I have 32 GB of 2133 MHz DDR4 Corsair Vengeance LPX (2 sticks of 16 GB).

I do a lot of hi-res Photoshop, but I planned on playing Fallout 4 eventually and the Elder Scrolls VI: Hammerfell. Did I screw up? Would I have been better off with 16 GB @ 3000 MHz?

I'm worried because I already had to RMA the ram about 1 month after building the rig. I have a GTX 1070/6700K but it doesn't do 4K very well even with older games like Borderlands 2? Not sure if this rig is going to last as long as my old i7 920/GTX 285. That one is 7 years old and it's still going strong. Maybe I should have waited a few more years or until it died?

Getting some buyer's remorse after only a couple of months with it. It's not packing nearly the same punch as my old rig did when I first built that.

need a big mousepad, but those razer crap is 30 euros. where to find them cheap?

>>56491714
You'll lose approximatey .1 frame per second compared to similarly-clocked ddr3. :^)

Don't play games at 4k resolution. No card can handle it, no matter how expensive. Play it at a lower resolution with the same aspect ratio and upscale. Just sit farther away from the screen.

>>56491714
In order until it helps:
1. Get the latest NVIDIA drivers from their site, make sure to use clean install during custom setup.
2. Use sdi-tool's Lite package to sort out any driver issues you might have.
3. Check benchmarks to see if you're actually supposed to be running 60fps@4k
4. Use Rivatuner/Afterburner to see what part of your system doesn't get fully utilized in-game. Google around or ask questions.
5. Check your BIOS to see if XMP memory profiles are activated.
6. Update BIOS
7. Cry

is a 330w psu enough for an i3 6100 and a gtx 750 ti

>>56491714
Oh and turn off anti-aliasing at 4k for crying out loud!

>>56491794
Thanks, will try these out, but I think I'm going to do #7 first.

>>56491768
>>56491827
AA with 4K looks so good even on a 1080p monitor. There's no jaggies at all. Especially games with bad AA like Borderlands and Battleborn. Overwatch can get away with it, but it still looks better in 4K with AA than 1080p with AA.

>>56491714
>>56491768
1080p + good AA should be enough for any screen
I mean if you have a huge 4k display you should sit far enough from it that aliasing or scaling isn't and issue

>>56490078
Source of test? Pretty sure this is onky an issue if you have a shit gpu

>>56491862
AA with 4K looks so good even on a 1080p monitor.

>downscaling 4k to 1080p

>no jaggies

>>56491822
yes

>>56490162
The random deals that pop up on sites like newegg and best buy throughout the year are about the same as most black friday/etc deals

>>56491891
>what is interpolation

MSAA and SSAA basically render the scene at a higher resolution then downscale it by combining(averaging) blocks of pixels into a single pixel

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Due to reasons beyond my control I am forced to switch from an ethernet connection to a wireless connection for my desktop. It's been a while since I've looked into wireless adapters, is a PCI-E adapter still the best option or have USB adapters caught up now?

Would this be overkill?

>>56491877
No, I have a 27" 1080p 60 Hz monitor, but certain games, especially the Borderlands series or Battleborn only have FXAA, but even then the jaggies are still there plus the screen got blurrier.

The difference between 1080p and 4K is very noticeable for me, with or without AA. With 1440p I can tell the difference, but the jump to 4K is so much better, it really hurts having to drop to 1080p after being so close to it. All I need is maybe 20 or 30 FPS more for it to be playable.

>>56491908
o

>>56491923
you can try enforcing AA from the nvidia control panel

>>56491891
This:
>>56491908
But you have to see it to believe it. It makes so much difference. It just sucks how much of a performance drop it costs. It really does remove the jaggies, especially if you add some AA on top of the 4K. Even if the monitor is only 1080p.

>>56491921
Those TP-Link PCIe adapters are still king I guess. Can't see what exact chips they use in the new Archer AC adapters though.
There never was a competitor to those. And of course USB wifi sucks.

>>56491923
>With 1440p I can tell the difference
I meant can't. 1080p and 1440p look almost exactly the same to me. It feels like 1080p with slightly worse performance.

>>56491942
Doesn't work with Unreal for some reason. With Borderlands, forced MSAA or any other AA is incompatible, and the option is greyed out. Works for other games though.

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>want to make use of cheap sandy bridge EP xeons
>mainboards still cost 300+

>>56491710
Was thinking i3 6100 with a GTX 750 Ti. But I may jump up to a GTX 950....... also considering waiting an extra week or so and upgrading to i5 6400....... but that's more than what I should be really spending.

>>56491981
yeah, if the game uses deferred rendering MSAA is incompatible without inducing graphical bugs.
The only solution is run the game at a higher res (use DSR if the monitor doesn't support bigger res), or post processing AA

FXAA is generally shit, but there are more presets and other post processing AA techniques(for example SMAA I heard it is pretty good) than games present

There are programs that inject custom post processing AA but I don't have any information on them

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>>56491967

Thanks, I will stick with TP-Link, I'm actually considering the TP-LINK Archer T8E AC1750 now. Arghh.... I just want more antennas. I just hate having to have wireless connection now...

Dear /pcbg/.

Im planning to buy new PC since few months, hold myself for whole summer due to all the crap with new GPU models and their prices and release dates.

Now, I cant decide about what GPU I want - RX 480 Nitro+ 8gb (overclocked) or GTX 1060 6gb. Both are costly in my country (1400-1500 PLN), but Im afraid if RX 470 will be enough in longer run.

Which one would be better option?

As for other parts, I kinda want to stick to i7-6700k as CPU. Most popular coolers from logicalincrements are not available in Poland, like Cryorig M9i. If I would be able to lay hands on Evo 212 or Scythe Mugen 4, would it be good option too?

As for PSU, would Corsair CXM 650W 80+ fit?

Also, about motherboard, in case of DDR4 ones, which one would be better: Gigabyte GA-Z170-HD3 or Asus Z170-P or MSI Z170-A Plus?

Sorry for asking so many questions and thanks for any reply.

>>56492081
Ah, that's right. There's SweetFX Injector I think. I avoided that on my older rig because it killed performance, but I could definitely use it on the new rig. I remember there was an old video for it working with Borderlands 2 to give it MSAA or something. I'll have to look that up.

/g/ents,

CPU: Intel Core i5 2500k (w/ Coolermaster 212 cooler)
RAM: 8.00GB DDR3
Motherboard: AsusTeK P8P67 Pro Rev 3.1
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560ti (AsusTeK)
PSU: Corsair TX650
Storage: 2x 1TB HDDs and 1x 250GB SSD
Case: Fractal Design Define R3

Can I just get a 1070 or do I need to just start fresh? What can I salvage?

>>56490078
>**Consider 3000MHz DDR4 in your new build**

Fuck that, just RMA'd some DDR4-3000 that wasn't stable even when running at 2133.

Serves me right for buying CorShit.

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>>56490164
Like The Witcher 3 you mean?

>>56492127
Ha, I just finished RMA-ing my 2133 Corsair Vengeance LPX RAM. So there's definitely a widespread problem with it then? It's not just me?

>>56492127
I have two sticks of 3200MHz Corsair Vengeance in my machine and run them at 3333MHz with the same timings.

>>56492069
You should probably check your budget first and foremost.
General rule of thumb is: the product you can afford is more expensive than the product you will buy.
Perhaps you will want to keep the i3 and go for a GTX 1050 instead. Or get an i5 instead of the i3.
If with one those options you're overspending, then what about rent, food, kids, insurance, car, phone, you name it?

Some budget tips are to go for a H110, H170 or B150 chipset on your motherboard. They have their limitations, like the H110 will only house one GPU and 2 RAM slots, but the price is quite a bit lower.

Windows does not have to cost anything (not sure how much you can say on 4chan), and else there are cheap licenses on Reddit.

>>56492144
(((higher is better)))

>>56492122
You could choose to spend upwards of $450 replacing your CPU, motherboard and RAM, or spend that money on a 1070 but have it run in PCIe2.0 which you won't notice and won't affect performance.

>>56492155
Haven't looked into it but one of the sticks of LPX 2x16GB DDR4-3000 caused system hard freezes whenever it was installed. Always passed memtest though.

>>56491666
Dude, most modern components have protection against that, they're highly unlikely to be destroyed simply from static discharge. If you're that worried about it, don't wear socks, or clothes even. Hack safely, hack naked.

I have two sticks of 4 GB RAM in my computer right now. There are two empty slots left over.

I want to buy two 8 GB sticks.

Can I put these two 8 GB sticks in alongside the 4 GB ones for a total of 24 GB RAM?
Or is mixing two different RAM sizes a bad idea?

They're 2400 G Skill Ripjaw sticks and I have a ASRock B150M Pro4S MB which only supports 2133, which means they're downclocked(?), if that makes any difference.

>>56492295
Sure, go ahead. But I don't see the point. Why order a higher clocked dual channel kit, in order to set it to single channel and downclock it?
Is it also not less expensive to get one stick of 16GB 2133?

>>56492357
>>56492295
Hm. The Crucial CT2K8G4DFD8213 (2*8GB DDR4 2133Mhz) is actually cheapest.

>>56492002
Keep looking anon. Sort by lowest price and look for the cheapest ones that are "for parts not working".

Ensure there's no visible damage, ascertain the reason for selling as is. If it's a "does not boot" description you're likely in luck and have a seller who doesn't know what they're doing. Do a little research on the board, ask the seller some questions, if you're confident you know the seller is simply an idiot you'll get a working board for cheap.

I got a p9x79 pro for 125$ and all it needed was a 13$ bios chip. Also got a e5-1650 v2 for 150$ because the seller tried testing it in a non compatible dual cpu dell. There are also some sellers who simply pull boards from non working systems and sell them as is for next to nothing. Those are a bit riskier, but if the price is right, you can often save a lot of cash or flip it for a nice profit.

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>>56492418

great tips anon, thank you

IIs a phenom II quad core the best am2+ cpu I could get?

>>56491573
Buy grounding bracelets

>>56492144
Worthless test eithout giving CAS latency. Taking latency into account ddr3 is better for the price

>>56492357
At the time, the 2400 was on sale for cheaper than the 2133 for whatever reason.

You're saying I should mix the RAMs?

The theme of this thread seems appropriate to ask,

If I have DDR4 2133 MHz corsair vengeance RAM should I upgrade? When I bought this RAM I was under the impression that clock speed really didn't matter for gaming or normal application.

I bought my RAM the first week skylake existed because it was DDR4 and from a reputable brand without much else thought. I've recently been curious if it's holding my system back at all. My PC has high specs - 6700k, gtx 1080(right now, probably downgrading to 1070), 2x SSDs in raid0, etc. so my PC is pushing speed everywhere else. I just don't want to spend $200 on a DDR4 3000mhz kit if it isn't going to make a perceivable difference in gaming/computing.

>>56492440
Yeah, sad that the 2680 v2 es chip wasn't as great as I had anticipated, learned the hard way that Intel started locking down the bclk harder than Fort Knox. And the 1680 I wanted was just too expensive. But even at the 300$ going rate for 1650 v2, with a nice 4400mhz oc you'll have the single threading of a stock 4790k, with the multithreading of a stock 5960x.

Mine runs nice a cool on a Nh-u12s with a pair of gentle typhoons strapped to it. Could go higher with ease, but 4500mhz proved unstable during a stress test due to thermal throttling. Those chips will not exceed 70c, theyll shut off cores to stay below that temp and performance becomes erratic. For my use case, I'm sure I would never max out all 12 threads for any extended period of time, but 4400 is plenty to be honest.

>>56492467
1090t or 1100t are the best phenoms.

>>56492525
Depends on the games you're running, only a handful of games actually have significant benefits from faster memory. It has always made a difference, just hasn't been this significant since ddr3 first came out.

>>56492503
You could mix if you want. It won't be an issue for your computer.

>>56492525
I highly doubt you'll see much of a difference in any way, shape or form. Check overclocking forums maybe. And then take the information there with a grain of salt. Not a spoon full of salt, but understand that some things can be placebo.

>video game console building general

>>56492159
My budget isn't a huge issue, it's more just that I don't want to overspend in a "buying a ferrari to just do trips to the shops" kind of way. Also if I waited a few more weeks I could get a way better build (just started a new job with better pay and my old employer owes me around $2000 in unpaid holiday pay)

I had actually planned on a H170 Pro and was thinking of just getting an OEM version of windows 7 for $50.

Cheers for the suggestions though man, I'll do a little research on the GTX 1050

>>56492659
That does sound sensible!
It won't hurt making a thread on pcbuildingwhatever reddit too just before purchase. Maybe they're far more into gaming than I am and know if an i5 is worth the extra.

Is this a good build for a guy with limitless amounts of money and no life other than gaming to live?

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/7BqkJV

>>56492770
>limitless amounts of money
Then why cheap out?

>>56492493
You're a fucking retard who doesn't understand how memory latency works. Latency is a factor of both timings and clock speed. A stick of 3200MHz DDR4 with 16-16-16-36 timings for example would have identical latency to a stick of DDR3 1600MHz with 8-8-8-18, but also much higher bandwidth on top of that.

There are quite literally no downsides to DDR4, and tech-illiterate pieces of garbage like you need to stop misinforming people.

>>56492646
>implying /g/ isn't a consumer electronics board

>>56492625
>Depends on the games you're running
Right now I literally only play WoW, Overwatch, Dead by Daylight, Elderscrolls Online, and some older games my PC blows out of the water anyway so performance isn't a concern

Any thoughts on whether I should upgrade given my case? Will I notice any non-gaming differences between 2133mhz and 3000?

>>56492467
*rated at 95w
How could a mobo be limited to cpus of a certain wattage anyway?

>>56492790
Limitless doesn't mean infinite, dingus, even though it actually does. A relative recently died and now I have £40,000 in a savings account. Would like to spend around £1500 on a computer.

>>56492810
It would be identical for double the price and the bandwidth would make a negligible real world difference. Thus proving my point you shill

>>56492770
>http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/7BqkJV
if you actually have limitless money get a 6700k because you will be happier with non-gaming applications and multitasking. if you're leaving your PC on all day and a lot of programs are building up and shit you'll like the i7 experience more.

GPU depends entirely on what games you play. 1060 is fine for like cs:go, LoL, etc. but you may want a 1070 if you're playing AAA type games.

>>56492852
Then get a better pc, idiot.
Let's take a look.

>>56492873
>>56492888
http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/2YXHGf

Tear it apart, nerds

>>56492865
>the bandwidth would make a negligible real world difference

Except for in this very fucking thread where it's been proven that extra memory bandwidth makes a huge difference in some games, including in the fucking post you originally replied to. Go back to /v/ you worthless piece of shit.

>>56491032
Failure rates are extremely low consistently but HGST drives are slower (not in RPM but in real terms) than WD drives at the same tier.

>>56492912
Motherboard BIOS/EFI is non-free
Intel CPU requires non-free firmware to even boot
Nvidia GPU requires non-free firmware and the vendor does not contribute to free drivers

0/10

>>56492937
Linucks is for losers

>>56492827
I personally wouldn't, if anything look up the timings for the 2400 or 2666 variants for your memory and overclock it. Test both stock and overclocked performance to see if you get any noticeable gains. If you still think it's worth it to spend money replacing perfectly good ram, then go for it. This is why I prefer to buy faster memory than what my system is rated for to begin with. My 1650 v2 is cruising along with ddr3 2400 without issue.

>>56492951
t. "gamer"

>>56492937
kek

>>56492951
Your dead relative was a loser.

>>56492912
Change RAM to 2*8GB 3000+. 2133 is for weak non-gamers.
Reconsider your storage. If you really want speed, do get 256GB of NVMe. If you want SSD for everything, just keep it on that one disk.
That'll leave you room to get the 1080 instead of that weak 1070, to really max out those 144hz.

>>56492810
heh tell that to toady one you piece of shit

>>56492998
Could this be THE MOST PERFECT PC build ever?

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/BYWXkT

>>56492625

i wanna get two e5 2670 for a audio/video workstation

but getting a good mobo for them seems to be rather difficult, as well as a good cheap case since EBB is so large and doesnt fit into all E-ATX cases afaik

>>56493069
Motherboard BIOS/EFI is non-free
Intel CPU requires non-free firmware to even boot
Nvidia GPU requires non-free firmware and the vendor does not contribute to free drivers

https://libreboot.org/docs/hcl/index.html#supported_list

>>56493069

>tn panel monitor
>i7 for gaymen

idk fampai

>>56493069
That looks like the AHCI version, not the NVMe. That won't do, anon.
Do you already have a HDD or something?

>>56493069
Far from it.

>>56493087
Personally don't know much about the dual cpu builds. I know supermicro seems to be the goto brand for motherboards, and that's about it. As far as cases, just make sure you know your board dimensions. If they adhere to the 7 expansion slot standard, I'm pretty sure something like the diypc silence-bk case will snugly accommodate the added width of the board. Most eatx rated cases will, actually in that scenario.

>>56493137
I do but I have nothing to store on it.

To be honest, I don't even play games. They're all for children. I just want to pay a shit-ton of money to browse 4chan at 144Hz and 60fps. This has all been a pointless exercise. Graphics cards are all universally gay, every one.

>>56493178
Then definitely go for the 6700K.
You want to browse in style.

>>56492921
Sure Rajvir, I'll go buy skylake and spend 100 on 8gb ram. At last I truly see

>>56493193
I always thought DDR4 was a no brainer because it's like $2 more than DDR3

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anyone got any good mATX or ITX cases/motherboards?

>>56493193
Ddr4 3000 is the same price as ddr3 2400. Can get 16gb dual channel kits for 70$

>>56493210
It used to be significantly more expensive, but that was when it was brand new tech. People see the price of something once and think it never changes apparently.

>>56493235
Raijin tek has a nice matx and itx case. I really like the phanteks evolv micro and itx variants as well. Never dealt with them myself, though.

>>56493235
that still needs a fan

>>56491376
>>56491376
What about AMD cpu's? Is it true their current and new generation models all suck ass?

I'd prefer an AMD cpu because it would lower the price somewhat i imagine

Rate my build /g/:

>Seasonic Eco 430W
>Asrock H61M-VG4, shitty mobo only one I could find with 1155 socket still for sale
>500GB 7200 HDD
>120GB SSD
>8GB+2GB DDR3 RAM
>i5 2400 with shitty non-oem cooler
>Evga gtx 1060 SC, 3GB version
>Thermaltake Versa N23 case

I assume this should be able to run all new games at 1080p60 with ultra/high quality

Plan to use for the next few years, might only replace mobo and cpu if my i5 dies because I got it out of used product.

>>56493327
AMD does not yet compete with i5. It can compete with i3 and lower use cases.

They are, however, planning to come back to the performance market with Zen. We don't know yet how well it will perform, however.

If you want the absolute lowest price imaginable, then you can stay with your current system. If you want medium gaming performance, then an i3+cheap mobo will do you. If you want good gaming performance, get a i5-6400 or i5-6500 and a cheap mobo.

AMD is sadly not for gaming at its current stage. The APUs have some merit as a cheap console replacement for those who do not want discrete graphics.

>>56493332
Sounds good to me.

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Can I get a recommendation on a z-170 ATX motherboard on the lower end of the price range. Don't need sli or cf support or led shit or anything like that, just want something that runs nice and stable with a decent but not extreme overclock on a 6600k.

>>56493327
Current lineup is pointless at this time, unless you want a cheap rendering machine. Noone knows anything about zen right now. Speculation and synthetic number crunching puts it at similar performance to haswell. Amds one performance reveal done privately on a single blender side by side showed that their summit ridge cpu was a hair faster than the 6900k in a clock for clock comparison. Some people are making a stink about how amd had to gimp the 6900k to make it appear to be faster, even though the entire point was to give a clock for clock comparison. They were transparent about this, and did not attempt to say that the engineering sample they were using was as fast or faster than the 6900k stock for stock.

So if a single very specific clock for clock comparison to intels latest architecture is any indication to go by, zen looks to be very promising. Oh and zen+ is likely going to be on a 7nm process around the same time or within a year or so of Intel jumping to 10nm.

>>56493506
>Oh and zen+ is likely going to be on a 7nm process around the same time or within a year or so of Intel jumping to 10nm.
Any info on this?
Difficult to imagine Intel not being ahead of the shrink business.

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im pretty excited to piece together my budget machine

what do you guys think?

>>56493659
Why do you need 600W PSU?

Seems like way overkill

>>56493686
youre right. the whole thing is going to run at 222w so i dont need a 600w. but there's literally nothing else at bronze+

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/hMFwcc

>>56493720
Sure there is.

>>56493659
>950

The 1050 is supposedly being unveiled soon.

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>>56493751
i could get the 500w evga for 7 bucks more lol

>>56490078
does faster RAM really make that much of a difference?
would upgrading my i5-4460 gtx 1080 build which currently has 12gb ddr3 1600mhz to 16gb ddr3 2400mhz make a noticeable performance difference?

>>56490078
>3000mhz DDR4

>Does twice as many operations per second but each one takes twice as long

Literally why bother?

>>56493812
>>56493812
yes

Which is better

DDR3 1600 CL9

or

DDR3 2133 CL11

Because I overclocked my ram a couple of weeks ago based on the same stuff op posted. I couldn't only get 2133 mhz stable at cl11 timings.

>>56493892
I could*

>>56493610
http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/amd-skipping-10nm-for-7nm/

It's all "maybes and could bes" but glofo / Samsung / IBM had working SiGe 7nm chips last year with an estimated commercial viability in 2018. Intel has pushed back their 10nm projection to 2018 and are researching materials beyond silicon to go passed 10nm due to physical limitations being reached.

>>56494073
The long term game is not a bad game.
I hope 7nm won't be too costly for the processors AMD will produce, if they're any good that is. It would be a shame to have costly chips.
We'll see how it goes.

I'ma total normie to building pc's , any tips?
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Choche/saved/2Lv6hM

I have about 600$ to spend and this is what I came up with

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Any recommendations for a better mobo?

>>56494175
Are you planning on replacing the cpu later? You can't even overclock the i3s anymore iirc. Also much better off with 2x8gb than 4x4gb cheaper as well.

>>56494228
Yeah, I want to upgrade it when I have more munz.
Thanks for the heads up regarding the ram tho

>>56494264
You'd be better off saving up the extra money for a better cpu up front, could rebalance the build and maybe squeeze out a good chunk of the difference.

>>56494175
Get cheaper 2*8 or 2*4 RAM.
You can't OC a 6100. Only K models, so there's no need for a Z170 board. Just use a B150, H170 or a H110. As such, there's no reason not to use the stock cooler inside the box.
With the money saved on those three parts, you can afford a 1060 3GB, which is a massive step up from the 950. Or if you prefer something smaller, wait a week or two and get the 1050 instead of the 950.
Your CPU could also be an i5. But looking at
>>56494216
The price of the i5 is strangely high in $? Or is that just because of Australia?

>>56494175
Oh and as for the PSU: you can get a highly reliable and efficient PSU for the same price. You only need like 300W, don't mind any wattage, just go for a good PSU.

what graphics card can i get to just help my cpu out a little with things like netflix and youtube ect

>>56494366
Assuming you don't have a GPU at all, what is your processor right now?

>>56494441
im building a barebones i3 computer just for having a computer. google, 4chan, youtube ect. i figured i might as well toss in a semi ok cheapo video card just incase

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/6HLDZ8

this is what i came up with so far

>>56494331
Thats just the crap we have to deal with here in Aus. My local retailer where I'm going to pick it up actually has it at $280

>>56494481
You already added a GPU. But you don't need any GPU for that build, as the i3 already comes with a built-in graphics chip, video decoding chip and even encoding chip.

GPUs are nowadays only used for gaming, and the 6100 can even run games like League of Legends, World of Warcraft, Counterstrike without any help, but on lower settings.
Your build is nice, and the money can be better spent on an SSD, but you can always add that later if you want that.

>>56494530
For the combined price of that gpu and hdd, he could get a 4tb hybrid drive.

>>56494530
i was actually thinking of JUST thinking of removing the hdd and putting in a ssd lol. i had my current computer for 6 years now and ive used around 150g of the 500g it came with. so maybe a ssd between 250-500 would be more than enough

>>56494584
Yeah, just pick a nice 250 or 256 sized drive from Samsung, Crucial or Intel, and don't care about harddrives any longer in that case.

By the way, your case is ATX format, and your motherboard is MATX. You can choose a MATX case if you want your computer to be a little bit smaller.
Like this one:
http://pcpartpicker.com/product/KPw323/fractal-design-case-fdcacore1000usb3bl
Shaves off a few dollars.

>>56492118

Pretty please ;_;

>>56494584
>>56494684
http://pcpartpicker.com/product/TkkD4D/fractal-design-case-fdcacore1100bl
Or this one. Or take a look around pcpartpicker and check the compatibility filter, and under "type" choose all the one that don't say ATX only.

>>56490633
I am using a Seagate 750 or something GB for like 7 years now.

>>56494717
>>56492118
Lots of questions.
Looking at it, money is either tight, or GPUs are relatively expensive in whatever country that uses PLN is.

First a few questions for you:
>What's the resolution you game at?
>Why do you consider the RX480/GTX1060 if you think the RX470 will be enough?
>Do you overclock?
>Why specifically the i7?

tfw PC buying anxiety
I am just scared that whatever I will buy now will be obsolete and replaced with a REVOLUTIONARY TECH THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING in a year
I need my PC to last at least 5 years. Since I only really plan on playing at 1080p whatever comes out, should I be scared my PC will become shit if I build something like this http://pcpartpicker.com/list/69qQ6X or will it last me for at least 5 years if I only plan on playing on 1080p + streaming?

>>56494331
So... How's this?
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Choche/saved/2Lv6hM

>>56494835
Just change out the RAM for same price higher frequency.
In 2 years you'll buy an SSD and feel that everything is super fast again.
It'll last, and you'll be fine for the coming 4 years I'm sure.

>>56494905
>3GB GTX (not)1060
do you like getting fucked in the ass?

>>56494924
;)

>>56494905
No need for the cooler. The i3 comes with one and the one you picked is for overclocking.
Other than that it looks fine. Again, see if you can fit an i5 (the non K version) in that budget when you cut out that excess cooler, and from there you can consider getting the 6GB version of the 1060.

>>56494835
chill out dawg. i'm on an i3 with a SHIT graphics card from 2010. i run wow and league just fine. sure my fps isnt always astronomical but it gets the job done and its SIX years old

personally. id go with the gigabyte mobo unless youre overclocking.

i chose a faster ram for the same price with more and better reviews

i went with the 1060 instead of the 480. this is on you though everywhere i read the 1060 is a better card..

and i got you a better bronze+ psu for less money

this will easily last you 5 years

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/HkKZJV

>>56494969
Thanks a lot man really appreciate it
you smart, you loyal.

>>56494835
I know that feel. However, there's simply no way to protect yourself from this, so just take the plunge when your old machine can no longer do what you want it to do.

>>56494994
on and incase you really liked that graphics card you could just get the one gigabyte makes

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZYKZJV

itll even save you some cash

>>56490078
>order parts from newegg
>3 day
>its via fedex
>they never update tracking
>first day entirely wasted sitting at origin facility
>second day shipped to my state
>third day when supposed to be delivered they somehow fucked the barcode up
>delayed
>foueth day they somehow managed to still not fix it and deliver
>fifth day finally get my package
>literally paid extra to get standard shipping thanks to their fuck up

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>>56494994
This is what I have now mate. I run League fine too but I wanna get into the streaming business and play some other games as well which I couldn't run properly now.

I want to go with the 480 because it seems much more future proof than the 1060. Plus it is cheaper here I believe. And I'd rather not go with a reference model.

>>56490981
If I buy one, will it help with screen tearing? I'm thinking of getting one.

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>>56491666
s m a l l c u r r e n c y

>>56495072
Streaming is for NVIDIA. AMD doesn't have a properly usable hw encoder, NVIDIA does through nvenc.dll.
With workarounds you can use AMD, or you can just pipe h265 to your preferred streaming service.

>>56495127
Yes, or you could just cap at 60FPS. If you have even a moderately powerful GPU, you can get 300+FPS on old games, which will give you screen tearing on a 144Hz monitor

>>56495072
If you're steaming you'll probably want an i7. Not sure how easy it is to stream LoL

I got a bag of thermal grease with my mugen 4. What's the best way to apply it? Just squeeze it out on the middle and let the sink do the rest?

>>56496165
Yes, small dot in center

Will a 256 GB nvme SSD be enough for a boot drive + some games? I have a second SATA ssd for applications (also 256gb, and the current boot drive). I would spring for a 512 but my budget is tight.

>>56496200
All of it or just a pea?

>>56496201
Depends on how many games you want to install, but I think 256GB is fine. 3 - 6 new games

>>56496266
Pea, watch a video

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This is a prebuilt computer that I got for free. The PSU is 460w. What would I need if I added a GTX 1060?

>>56496268
Just a few, right now there's overwatch and dark souls 3. I really want Witcher 3 and DOOM on there too but they're like 100gb by themselves.

Probably won't have more than those at any given time. I will swap them out every few months for something new.

>>56493270
The same price with a massive CAS that gives you the performance of DDR3 1333
DDR4 with latency that makes it equivalent to ddr3 2400 will cost much more.

>>56495697
AMD can stream with obs studio now, works great. better than shoving dildos up your cpu's ass.

>>56496661
That's good to hear! I'll forward it to my.

>>56496328
About $280 I think.

>>56496328
>falling for the prebuilt meme
if it's not using a chink power supply (it probably is because HP loves skimping out on parts) then you should be ok.

Hi guys, honest question, no trolling;
Is r480 good enough for couple of years of 1080p gaming? I dont really play anything intense, witcher 3, old DoWs which run on toaster and FFxiv, and plan to get deathwing when its out.
Yay or nay? Which brands to avoid? Is sapphire still good? I would prefer something with quiet cooler even if it means 20-30 euros more.
Thanks!

>>56496756
get the asus rog gaming edition

if the cpu cooler has the thermal paste pre applied from the box do i still need to buy paste for the cpu itself?

is the i5 6600 good for games and light editing?

My heatsink has 2 fans, yet the mobo has only one cpu fan connector. What do?

>>56496848
Yes

>>56496794
No

>>56496756
>480 good
Yes

>>56496911
Semen to volt converter

Assuming cost is no obstacle, what is the single most user friendly case for first time builders?

I'm terrified I'm going to fuck up the airflow or the cabling or something.

I hear good things about the Enthoo Primo.

>>56497210
Any modern case. If it's got USB 3 it's good.

>>56496984
pls no bully

>>56490078
I'll take results that haven't been replicated for $1000 alex

>>56493812
RAM speed doesn't matter for 99.99% of use cases

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Anyone know if I'll be able to plug this external hard drive into a computer?

Or should I give up trying to get it back it of it's case?

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It came out easier than expected!

Should I take this tinfoil and external circuit board off? I think it's the thing that connects the normal hard drive connector to usb 3.0 mini.

Is a 750w power supply enough for a GTX 1070 and a 6700K ?
Not planning on overclocking too much if at all but just wondering if a good 750W psu would be good,

>>56498365
if you're not overclocking, you should be set. even if you are overclocking, you should be pretty set as long as it's a quality psu. draw for those parts should be between 250-300w based on PCPartPicker. So until(unless) you SLI down the road, you have plenty of headroom.

just order an asus turbo gtx 1070 (blower model) for $370. seemed to be the best price i could find, so i'm pretty excited.

will be a bit before i can upgrade my motherboard and cpu though, so what would be a recommended power supply to get a decent overclock out of an fx8320? current psu is some korean (ATNG) 600w and i don't quite trust it. gonna replace it no matter what, just need to know an appropriate wattage.

>>56498156
yes you will

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I want to make a RAID with 2 drives for video editing amd was looking at the 3TB ones but people say theyare not as good as the 2TB ones.

What do you think?

>>56498497
what drives you dummy we dont know what youre talking about

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>>56498497
Insteadof getting 2x3TB on RAID should I get 2x2TB internal (not raid) and an external USB 3 for back up?
Is it ok if the external one is more than 2TB?

>>56498156
Lift the drive assembly from the case and unscrew the blue dampners on the side of the drive.
Carefully peel the silver foil, undo that one screw on the right side of the picture (on the PCB), and then slowly pull the drive from the SATA-to-USB board. It's a standard Seagate 5900rpm Desktop drive, so it should fit in any case just fine.

>>56498521
2x3TB 7200.
Not sure which brand to choose..

>>56498594
If you want to RAID drives, look for drives with the largest cache sizes (usually 32/64MB, but some do come with 128MB cache sizes). The reason for this is that the caches will also share the same "striped" data for faster retrieval, so a pair of drives with cache 128MB in RAID0 will be faster than a pair of drives with 64MB cache. I'd also look into Hybrid drives in RAID0, which effectively have 8GB cache sizes (but 5900rpm platters), the only reason to own desktop SSHDs in my opinion.

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I fell for the 1080 jew after getting a job and having so much money I don't know what to do with, and now my CPU is bottlenecking me and I need the new architecture and DDR4, anyway. Is the 6700k still the most shilled i7?

>>56498365
Have 6600k [email protected] and 1070 with 620W and runs just fine.

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>>56498784
>Building a PC in 2009
>Everyone says not to use modular PSUs
>"The connectors die"
>"The cables get loose"
>2016
>Everyone sys to get a modular PSU

T E C H N O L O G Y

>>56498697
I am looking into it now and it seems too expensive. I am not ready for this. I think i will do the regular 1 ssd for system, 1 big internal hhd and 1 big external for manual back ups.

>>56498806
>>"The cables get loose"
No fucking looser than the end plugging into the actual hardware. What the fuck why was this even a statement?

>>56498806
I am building a PC and was going for a semi modular.
So no modular then?

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>>56498715
6700k is a pretty small increase from the 4790k
i mean if you say you have more money than sense right now look into a 6800k or 6850k

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Okay I got that off. Thank you.

I assume I should leave this black plastic thing on that's attached by the three screws?

>>56498873
Well, it's not like I have that much money, or that the job pays well, but I still have the lifestyle and needs of a NEET once I get home from work, so I have nothing to waste my money on but this shit, but it's still not that much of a discretionary pile, so I can't go THAT crazy, but it looks like the 6800k is a big step up for $100 more, though. Might be cool.

>>56498873
Not him, but I got the 6700K for the integrated graphics improvement (the ability to run 2 1440p@144Hz off the integrated).

Though the iGPU drivers have been shaky as fuck in practice.

>>56498840
Good choice. Striping drives is asking for it.

>>56498901
Take it off. I dare you.

>>56498944
Well it having non standard screws is a bit of a problem even if I wanted to.

Which I don't.

I wish my motherboard arrived so I could plug it in...

>>56498806
>build a pc in 2011
>everyone says to go semi-modular
>'its just a waste of money, fully modular is for extremest builds'
>save like 20 dollars
>now it's 2016 and I have a perfectly fine 750w semi-modular PSU that I don't want to use because I want a fully modular one
Reminder to never cheap out on PSU's and go for fully modular. Money spent now is money saved in the future

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Thanks for the help, here's my mutt.

>>56498990
I never understood the difference between modular or semi modular and why it matters
I mean you need that ATX power no matter what right?

>>56499223
Muh custom cables to match my kawaii case and mobo.

>>56499140
cute dog
are qr code dogtags a thing nowadays?

>>56499223
better space management
the thick ass 12 pin on my semi-modular is about 5 inches too long and way too thick to really do anything with it so it forms a big bulge in the back of my case

Anyone ever get parts from Jet? Seems like they have some pretty good deals, especially when you buy multiple items. Haven't ordered from there, so just curious if anyone has any horror stories or anything.

>>56490133
>RPM
>CFM
>dB
>size
you need to consider all these. google comparisons and reviews

>>56490162
If your current PC cant run those just buy it now.
>http://pcpartpicker.com/list/WGNVwV
Plenty of tweaking can be done to this to fit your taste and find combos to save money.

>>56490456
A ~50-100W picoPSU should be good depending on how efficient the APU is and how many drives you want.
Personally I'd go with a decent SFX PSU from Seasonic or Silverstone around 300W.

>>56490633
no you just keep buying shit models

>>56495127
it should help some, but if you're really anal about it get a freesync screen if you have amd. if you have nvidia enjoy paying $100 extra for gsync screen like a good goy

>>56491546
1. no issues
2. for scrubs like you, yay.
3. mobo is enough 99% of the time

>>56491666
the mobo is gounded with the case, the case is grounded with the PSU and the PSU is grounded to your wall socket outlet if it has 3 pins.

When would be the best time in next 6 months or so to build a computer (now is acceptable, but I'm not in a rush). Budget is probably ~$2000, will probably want the best graphics card/processor available but I'd like to come in under budget if all I have to do is a wait a couple months.

>>56499783
Black Friday
The only thing worth waiting for is deals

>>56499783
Wait for Zen or a sale day, even if you swear to Intel the intro of the brand will bring prices down for old models.

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I have a x99 deluxe 2 with a 6850k and dominator ram. This was bought for me by someone I did work for on the side.

I have a mountain mod duality case one of the big cube ones that was never used its under my bed.

Looking for idea to make it an interesting build. Want some kind of custom loop and overclock which will be easy enough. Beyond that looking for interesting ideas. Will use gpus I have now and later buy something from nvidia. Will run linux with gpu pass through on vms. Other hardware too starting with a usb hub.

Color scheme is going to be that silver white and black. Maybe ill add blue. Will probably not color the loop and use the leds to add the blue since everything has rgb now. I got the ram coolers not because I think the rem can use it but because it puts leds on top of the ram sticking with the color scheme. Probably going to do a loop just for the cpu/mobo. and Then a separate one for video cards because I like them to be easily switched. Also because Ill have money to burn considering how little I put into getting the mobo cpu and ram.

>>56499814
Do you know if there will be any sales before black friday? (or were in previous years)

>>56499870

How hard is hardline cooling loop? I understand the bending is a pain. Need a heat gun and other tools to make straight bends.

I don't want this build to be so extreme its embarrassing. Just going to go for the clean look. Might paint this case white/silver though its black now. Can I sand it and find some kind of can paint? I dont want to have to use a gun.

Anyone know how to match the color on this motherboard?

>>56499909
Not really, I know newegg doesn't always pick holidays to slash prices, so just keep an eye out.

>>56498873
>>56498908
The fucking motherboard prices are insane for 2011 v3, holy fuck.

>>56499783
I just check my PC part picker list every day and swoop on each part that's on sale
Have the case, PSU, hard drives and CPU already

>>56499970
>>56499783

I have a microcenter near me and they bear online sale prices for cpus. Only in store however. They go on sale sometimes also. You need to watch and like I said in store only.

>>56500000
>bear

beat

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guys check out the low end computer im planning on building

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/76gwgL

and check out this case. windowed corsair mid tower for under 50 bucks. wew

>>56500065
But it's not microatx nooooo

>>56500092
lol. you dont need a micro tower for an matx

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/dB7WtJ

Here are the components I am looking to get. My question is regarding the power supply. My current machine is using this:

http://pcpartpicker.com/product/8vxfrH/antec-power-supply-bp550plus

Would this PSU be enough for what I'm trying to build, or not close to good enough? I'd like to keep the price down as much as possible but not if it's a big risk.

Also any other suggestions for this build?

>>56490078
Since RAM will get more expensive soon: Should I upgrade from the 8gb ddr3 1600mhz to 16gbs?
Main applications will be logic pro, ableton, some rendering in Rhino, Adobe Illustrator, and muh gaymes

>>56500178

I would upgrade if you do stuff while keeping a web browser open.

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I guess you faggots don't realize those ddr4 gains are with sli setup. It won't nearly scale the same with a single GPU.

Op is a fag, as usual.

>>56500115
I bet you put xl condoms on ur lil dicc

>>56500211
Is chrome that hungry?

>>56493812
Clearly the graph shows a huge performance difference, but you can't play FO4 at past 60FPS anyway. If you're trying for fast frametimes/high framerates in other games, you may have success with faster RAM

>>56500065
micro towers are actually normal sized.

full towers are fucking massive don't get one if you can at all help it for your budget build, which you can. also cheaper

>>56490078

From what I understand its pretty hard to get a gain out of anything between 2400 and 3200.

>>56500235
Both are shitty and its only partially their fault. The web itself is getting crazy with ads and videos and everything. Its likely to get worse as higher bandwidth is rolled out they can abuse.

>>56500237
The chart is with sli, retard.

>>56500215
It says right there in the OP, the game is using a single 980Ti you big retard.

Did you even played the game? Fallout 4 is very CPU intensive which is why faster ram helps.

>>56492865
>the bandwidth would make a negligible real world difference.


fucking retard embarrassing yourself, there is a reason why dual channel is faster than single channel and that is bandwidth.

>>56490162
Hello.

Do you want to be my sugar daddy??? I'm really cute and I'll even help you build your PC!

>>56500152
Please respond

>>56500152
>>56500450
1. 550 Watts should be fine for that build. You can see the wattage of the build in the header (273 Watts). Since you are not overclocking either, you have less to worry about.

2. Get 2x8GB instead of 1x16GB

>>56500507
>Get 2x8GB instead of 1x16GB
What is the benefit of this?

>>56500541
So your ram runs in dual channel mode.

DDR stands for double data rate, with 2 sticks of ram you have higher memory bandwidth. Its not double data rate without 2 sticks.

>>56500000
>00000 noice

>>56491923
>27" 1080p
found the problem. dont buy a big screen with average resolution.

>>56492002
none used on ebay/craigs?

>>56492069
>750
>[current year]
please dont unless you get it for like $50. and save up more money and get an i5 AND a 1060. you will save money in the long run and be happier with the improved performance.

>>56492118
RX 480 because Nvidia are jews and want a premium price for their features like Gsync while AMD give you freesync for no extra cost.
Stay away from Corsair CX series they're cheap sub-par units. Silverstone Strider, XFX, EVGA and a few other alternatives exist. Preferably modular and Gold rated if you can find a nice deal.
MSI Gaming M3.

>>56492122
Overclock CPU and get a 1060 and you should be alright until you can afford replacing CPU/mobo/ram.
Cooler, HDD/SSD, PSU and case can be re-used for your next build.

>>56492127
>>56492155
>>56492158
>anecdotal evidence

>>56492295
yes it will work, yes they will downclock (you may have to set it manually in BIOS with 1 stick of RAM if it doesnt want to boot with all 4 in).
read your manual to see which slots you should put them in to get dual channel.

>>56492467
you should sell it and get something completely new. that shit is too old, unless you only play older games like CSGO, LoL/Dota/WoW. then you should just keep using it and save up more money until you can buy something much better.
consider getting a used i5 3000 series or i5 4000 series with used motherboard and ram.

>>56492525
faster ram doesnt cost that much, a nice kit of fairly fast ram costs around $100. it CAN be worth it depending on the game, so check some benchmarks.

>>56492659
>>56492719
i5 is worth it in the long run.

How long will I need to wait if I want to get 144+ fps on all games at max settings and at 4k without buying multiple GPUs? Two generations? Three?

>>56498365
More than enough, even if you OC.

>>56498440
Corsair, XFX, Seasonic, EVGA, Silverstone, Antec, FSP and others. Same wattage as old one.

>>56498806
>things does not get better over time
end yourself and save the human gene pool please

>>56498865
he's meming so fucking hard and you cant see it?

>>56498990
I got a used AX850 over 5 years ago, fully modular, was a fucking steal at $100.
I fucking bet everyone that had issues with modular units bought shit tier cheap crap or it was just a few models from a more reputable brand if any at all had issues.

>>56499956
>for enthusiast and workstations
go figure

>>56500065
looks ok, but wait for 1050 graphics.

highly recommend removing the ssd and using that for better cpu/gpu.

and stay away from cheapest corsair power supplies

Anyone bother overclocking their GPU? I have the EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 FTW GAMING ACX 3.0

And I've never overclocked my GPU before. Anything I should watch out for? What are good temps? How do I stress test?

>>56500581
Double data rate is regardless of the number of memory modules. 4 channel DDR4 does not magically become QDR4.

How much of a waste would it be if I made a $1700 Athlon X4 880K build with a custom water loop, two RX 480s in Crossfire with their own loop, sleeved cables, RGB LED lighting, and a customized ATX case? Looking to showcase it rather than use/sell it.

>>56501372
Huge waste, because that processor is weak as piss and it's never a good idea to custom loop some mid range trashcards.

>>56498865
>>56501323
>>56498854
Go Modular. When I built my first PC in 2009 I remember people on HardForum swearing up and down that a modular PSUs were the devil (and that everyone should buy OCZ Z series PSUs). I haven't built a PC in a couple years and it was just humorous to me that modular PSUs are completely accepted now.

>>56501440
I want to build a customized PC on the cheap because it's only going to be used as a display item. It's to show potential customers what I can do.

>>56501511
Wouldn't it make more sense to just buy used and outdated components, then? Should be cheaper.

>>56501597
It's the cheapest components I have. It's either that or a disgusting brown PCB Gigabyte H81 board and a Pentium G3440.

>>56501655
I mean go for it if you think it's gonna get you customers. Just hope that they don't ask for the specs. Cuz that's some whack ass shit.

>>56500276
>i have no understanding
Physics engine is tied to framerate dumbass; past 60 you'll have problems

>>56501350
>How do I stress test?
Furmark is the best way to do it, just keep a close eye on temps

>What are good temps?
Under stress you want to be aiming for around 80-85 degrees celsius, abort if it goes above 90 or you'll risk ruining the card

>Anything I should watch out for?
Temperatures and Power usage mainly

Overall, best way to do it is small adjustments followed with stress testing because you have to balance how fast you can go with how much your cooling setup can handle. Don't expect much more performance than what you have stock unless you have it water cooled.

>>56501291
Right now only the Titan XP can max 4K at near 60fps
Next generation crazy-expensive cards should max 4K at 60fps
I'd say wait 3 gens for high-end maxed 4K at 144hz, by then a 4K 144hz monitor might exist too

>>56501948
Furmark isn't that good. All modern cards throttle the shit out of themselves under furmark.

>>56502134
All modern cards throttle like fuck regardless of what you run, I've ran both furmark and Unigine Valley and my GPU throttled both times

How smart idea is it to build a dual xeon e5-2670 machine with asus z9pa motherboard instead of an i7-6700k build? The motherboard + cpu-s will cost almost the same. When do the e5-2670-v2 phase out? Maybe should I just buy the motherboard and wait until the v2 gets phased out?

>>56500259
mid and micro towers are not the same thing.

there are full towers, mid towers (regular ATX most people have) and then there are mini towers for mATX.

see this pic:
https://i.4cdn.org/g/1473365995625.jpg

>>56502294
compare benchmarks

>>56502438
Most mATX cases are mid tower, and a shitload of ATX cases are full tower

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>>56502511
>Most mATX cases are mid tower
are you fucking retarded? EVERY mid tower is compatible with mATX mobos because they are made for regular ATX mobos which are bigger.

the h55 corsair cooler recommends the fan to be intake

the nzXT s340 case has 2 exhaust fans one at the back and one at the top

both are near each other

would changing the back fan into intake fuck up the airflow or am i worrying too much here?

should i leave the 2 original fans alone and just put the cooler fan in the front?

if i place the fan in the front can i place the front panel back in or should i leave it off?

>>56502579
contrary to popular beliefs having the back fan as intake wont hurt temps so you can do that if it's more convenient.

you can put it as exhaust too if you want, i'll just be a few degrees warmer.

and why would you NOT put the front panel back on?

>>56502574
But they aren't, hence why theyre mATX cases

>>56502274
That's not normal. Mine doesn't throttle in benchmarks or games. I haven't tried unigine valley, so maybe that's an unique case, but it certainly does not throttle in games.

When I mean throttle, I mean actual throttle - not drops from turbo to base clocks.

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>>56502689
this is a mATX motherboard in a mid tower.
go to any fucking website that sells pc cases and click on literally any Mid Tower and read the specs, it will say mATX motherboards are compatible.

fuck off and kill yourself, you retard

>>56502635
>>and why would you NOT put the front panel back on?
i was just wondering since it looks like it might block the airflow of a fan in the front, but it might have enough space that it wouldn't be a issue

thanks for the help

Does ram timing/speed make a huge difference?

Also why is "performance" "gamer' RAM like 16-16-16 whereas basic grandma tier emachines shit from 2002 was 5-5-5

How's my airflow? I have two intakes stacked vertically in the front of the case, one fan as intake on the side panel, one exhaust in the back and the cpu fan blows the air directly towards the back exhaust. The case is atx sized but cost me $50 and is on the smaller side.

>>56502779
ah ok. i checked some pic and seems like there's not a lot of holes for air to come in from the front, you'd get best temps if you used the rear as intake with the cooler.

>>56502793
you can get up to 10FPS in some games with DDR4 but you need the latest gen intel CPU with the better memory controller

Is it true that if you don't intend to overclock, and your CPU has built in cooling, that you do not need an aftermarket cooler?

And is a i5-6600K much of an improvement over the i5-6500, whether I overclock or not?

http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/DbtpBP
http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/YqLJyf

>>56502750
Motherboard size compatibility and case size aren't really that related

So, I'm thinking of a "cheap" build that can last me until Zen/Kaby-Lake-price-cuts comes out.

Will this do?
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/HCJbLD
My price range is between 490 and 600

>>56502930
>wont push CPU over default speeds so it wont become hotter
>it comes with a standard cooler good enough for the job from the seller
why would it not be true?

and no, it's barely an improvement at all. if you are 100% sure you will never OC, it's a huge waste of money to buy the K model

>>56502956
Yes they are, that is EXACTLY what the ATX Standard defines.

Stop posting.

>>56502977
you're a fucking retard if you buy that now when you already know you will upgrade in 6 months

>>56502999
>>56502930
From my experience, Intel stock coolers are trash.

They are very very VERY noisy.

>>56502999
Okay, thanks

ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/DbtpBP

I think I'll be going with this unless anyone sees a glaring flaw here. I'm still unsure about the 2x8GB vs. 1x16GB thing.

>>56502999
But the k version has better stock clocks and was cheaper than the 6600 not long ago

Anyone else buy GPUs based on how the cooler looks?

>>56491032
Where are you finding cheap HGST drives?

>>56503075
the old 775 ones are not, and they still use the same basic design, on processors that are cooler.

>>56503111
>not long ago
doubt it still is. pretty much all sites i've checked the K model costs about $50 more. the difference in speed is not noticable, it's only a few hundred MHz

>>56503128
you're an idiot if you dont. a good cooler means lower temps and less noise.

>>56503015
Right, right.
THIS is what I"m stuck with.
Refurbished as well

http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/latitude-e6410/pd

I'm going fucking nuts because I can't play anything new nowdays, and if it is new, it's running at 20 FPS like ARMA 3.

Christ.
I'm in the worst possible position to not have bought a new PC yet.

>>56490151
it doesn't, notice how all these comparisons are based on old/shitty hardware

>>56503172
I have one of those coolers. It's really bad. Unless they vastly changed the 115x socket cooler in the last few years to make that pathetic thing better, I think it's a piece of shit.

>>56494770

>Looking at it, money is either tight, or GPUs are relatively expensive in whatever country that uses PLN is.

Money limit is still twice as high as it used to be in previous PC buying, 6 years ago. Country is question is Poland and to make things more clearly, around 4,5 PLN is 1 EUR. I guess the limit in my case would be 4200-4500 PLN (or, 930-1000 EUR).

>What's the resolution you game at?

1680x1050

>>Why do you consider the RX480/GTX1060 if you think the RX470 will be enough?

I dont. It is just that the prices are high, but Im still not sure if paying more for 480 would be truly good idea.

>Do you overclock?

Only automatic overlock function provided by motherboard manufacturers.

>Why specifically the i7?

Because my current CPU, i5-750, served me well for 6 years and want another CPU that will last near as long. I dont think buying another quad core would be good idea in such case.

I usually only replace GPUs over years, CPUs only at big, rare upgrades.

>>56503079
>mobo made for overclocking
>cpu that cant overclock.
>1x16GB stick
>overkill psu

>>56503182
just buy something good right now. no point in upgrading that soon if you really want to be able to play something now.

alternatively buy something cheaper used like an i5 2400 or 2500 8GB DDR3 ram and resell it once you upgrade to zen/kaby.

and get a decent case, power supply and gpu now.

>>56503208
it's more than fine for most people, you must have amazing hearing or something. i could barely hear them when i had like 3 of them at the same time.
and they have updated them for the latest generation.

>>56503322
I have awful hearing, the thing is just loud as fuck. I think mine maxes out at like 2300RPM. The worst part is that there is an audible difference between idle state, where it spins at something like 1100 RPM, which is quiet enough, and the load state where it revs up all the way to over 2000 RPM. That difference is what makes it such a turd.

I recently rebuilt my i5 750 system which I had previously dismantled for salvaging parts and placed a 25 dollar Alpenföhn Ben Nevis on it, and that is actually way more decent. Maxes out at 1600 RPM and that's still reasonably quiet. It's not perfect, but it's good enough.

>>56503322
>>mobo made for overclocking
>>cpu that cant overclock.
>>1x16GB stick
>>overkill psu
What is the point of posting like this

I even specifically said that I was unsure of what the benefits of 1x16GB or 2x8GB are

What mobo would you suggest? What PSU wouldn't be overkill when they all cost the same anyway?

>>56503182
are you kidding? this is the BEST time to buy a new pc

>last year skylake came out
>brand new gtx just came out. zen is coming out
>kabylake is just skylake with new features
>all the best parts are going to be much cheaper with the shopping season coming up

you can easily snag a bomb deal that will last you for YEARS

lemme help you there with your build

first of all. you dont need an aftermarket cooler. the 6400 comes with one and i doubt youre going to or need to overclock. 2x4bg ram is better than 1x8gb ram.

check out the ssds made by toshiba on amazon
https://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-OCZ-Trion-Internal-TRN150-25SAT3-240G/dp/B01B4NUKMY/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1473377643&sr=1-1&keywords=toshiba+ssd

240g for 60 bucks. godamn

thats a pretty low cost 460. consider getting the gtx 950 which is stronger but costs 10 bucks more. your call

get the more wattage corsair for cheaper. so what youre not using the extra watts. its literally half the price

you dont need an optical drive

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/9QPn6X

godamn son thats a fine computer for dirt cheap

>>56503322
Sounds like a plan.

Was planning on getting the mobo, psu, ram, and a 460 for my old dell, as I still have the case.

>>56503442
Woah, thanks man!

>>56503172
13 dollars more from pcpartpicker prices, if you have the chipset to overclock, even if you don't plan to it's not a huge waste of money to have that option. The 6600k ocs very well if you ever do change your mind

>>56503414
then something is fucked with your temps, paste or the fan itself.

>>56503434
Cheapest mobo that is not Asrock.
mATX mobos have 4 ram slots, there is no point getting a single big ram stick. You get slightly better performance with 2. Also consider getting faster RAM for improved gaming performance.
That build wont even use 400W on full load.

>>56503447
Do yourself a favour and dont re-use old prebuilt cases. They have no cable management and are a fucking pain in the ass to work with.

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>>56503159
newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16822145912
granted i was comparing them to WD blacks

>>56503503
>Cheapest mobo that is not Asrock.
http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/NsL7YJ/gigabyte-motherboard-g1sniperb7rev10 ?

>>56503503
Intel box fans don't come with paste, they come with a thermal pad. My processor temps were fine at ~72C - which is actually lower than typical for a LGA1156 box cooler. In many cases it'd throttle the CPU at high load from out of the box.
Like I said, unless they vastly improved it since LGA1156 which I doubt they did, it's still a shitty cooler. The only saving grace is that modern processors have lower TDP - the i5 750 is a 95W processor without a GPU. But even when I reduced my i5 750 TDP by a significant margin with a 0.15V undervolt and it still made too much noise using the stock cooler.

The stock cooler is shit. Yes you can use it if you want, it does the job. But that's it. It makes lots of noise and has very poor performance. It's like a 5 dollar cooler if you were to buy it separately.

>>56503589
how do you fail so hard?
http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#sort=a8&page=1&s=30&c=112,113,111

>>56503653
>Intel box fans don't come with paste, they come with a thermal pad
wrong. a pad cant spread out, it's paste.

>>56498156
I wouldn't touch that. Looks like one of those drives that has the USB interface right on the main PCB. Not like most older USB drives where they just used an internal adaptor board.

>>56503717
>how do you fail so hard?
I linked the cheapest ATX, non-Asrock mobo.

>>56503741
no you didnt. check the fucking link.

>>56503735
Don't mind me. I'm retarded.

>>56503760
Micro ATX is the same thing as ATX then?