/pcbg/- PC Building General

n200 or 350d?

what cpu do I need minimum to not be bottlenecking a 1060? I wanted the i3 6100 but evidently that's too weak

>>56503789
i3 and i5 are about the same for gaming currently but i'd still recommend an i5.

>>56503789
I am actually considering the same thing myself and have been looking into this too. It does depend somewhat with the type of game or program you are using. CPU intensive games will drop a bit compared to using an i5, but non CPU intensive games there will be little if any difference. Most, but not all, games rely more on gpu, but ones like GTA V use up a lot of CPU too. Jump on YouTube and type i3 6100 vs i5 6500 to see comparisons. It all depends on how strict a budget you have, but most games will do well even on an i3. But if you got the cash, an i5 will keep you future proofed for quite a few years and good for professional video rendering or whatever (I have no expertise in that stuff sorry). Up to you.

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rate this low end pc. was going for bang per buck

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/c4Zfyf

>>56504074
So basically GPU is still the most important factor in most games

>>56504116
remove SSD and get a better graphics card.

corsair builder and cx series are bad. get EVGA, XFX, Seasonic for example instead.

>>56504146
I wouldn't count on it. Both The Witcher III and GTAV tax CPU heavily, and it doesn't look like this is a downward trend where CPU usage of games is decreasing rather than increasing.

>>56504313
Dont forget DX12 and other multithreading improvements on the way.

Are the new Seagate hard drives more reliable than the older models?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822178994

>>56504116
That SSD is cheaper on Amazon right now.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01B4NUKMY/

>>56504402
Yes, but I'd still get WD, HGST, Hitachi or Toshiba over Seagate. Seagate is not always the cheapest either.

>>56504187
EVGA isn't better than Corsair CX, unless you're talking about the more expensive 80+ gold models. Which makes no sense to me, because you're singling out the Corsair CX/builder series which are way lower priced.

Maybe warranty on EVGA is better, but they are just as bad as the builder series otherwise if you're looking in the same price range. Seasonic and XFX are unfair to include in that particular price range, because they sell exclusively premium products when it comes to PSUs.

Assuming you don't count Seasonics forgotten OEM offerings, which are anything but premium. Literally grey boxes with cheap-ass caps.

>>56504358
Multi-threading improvements are available in DX11.3 too. But yeah, most modern games can utilize more cores. GTA and Witcher III certainly can take advantage of many many cores in DX11.

>>56504429
I was thinking about getting the X300, but people in the comments were saying that it was loud. This hard drive looks like it more suits my needs because I'll only be using it to save videos. But I'm unsure of the reliability.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA5AD4DP0316

>>56504442
>EVGA isn't better than Corsair CX, unless you're talking about the more expensive 80+ gold models.

the supernova series is the one i meant. they're not really that more expensive, worth it anyway.

and seasonic is kinda overpriced but XFX can have good deals and actually used to be cheaper than the rest.

and if you buy anything else than what you call "premium" you almost deserve to have your shit fried.

Dont skimp on one of the most important parts of your computer.

>>56504523
Isnt the X300 more geared towards enterprise? might explain the loudness if it's not meant for general consumers.

>>56504643
Sea sonic 620w modular 80+ bronze for $60, good deal?

>>56504643
Well yea, obviously an expensive PSU will be better than some cheap shitheap Corsair picked from the Chinese bargain bin.

Also, I only buy Seasonic retail exclusively. I don't have a single PSU in operation in a desktop computer that isn't made by Seasonic and sold under their own brand. You just need to understand that this type of PSU isn't in the same price class as Corsair CX or the EVGA equivalent. When you just recommend "EVGA", you're also recommending the shitheaps they sell for 20 bucks which are just as bad as the Corsair equivalents. EVGA isn't a premium brand, like Seasonic retail or XFX.

>>56504523
>This hard drive looks like it more suits my needs because I'll only be using it to save videos
Do you mean archiving or recording onto the drive? Because if you're just storing and occasionally playing back videos, then there are cheaper choices than the X300 (unless you catch one on sale) that are much quieter. But recording onto the disk for up to 720p or 1080i videos is alright with the X300.
It is fairly loud when it does multiple track seeks, which is usually when you're running programs or writing AND reading onto the disk at the same time. I have two 5TBs that are running 10 VMs each (on a 24/7/365 VM server) and they both sound like someone is running a bent drill through the case. They're both on day 452 of continuous use and not a single one has skipped a beat, no bad sectors, or no significant errors.

>>56504667
It's kinda cheap actually.

>>56504667
It's alright. What other models do you have in that price range?

>>56504746
That kind of brand loyalty is bad. I heard Seasonics more recent models are not as good as their older ones.

You should always check reviews from sites like JohnnyGuru.com

You're right about specific models but at least it puts the newbs in a better direction and avoiding shit like rosewill and diablotek

>>56504815
>JonnyGuru.com
fixed

>>56504815
I was looking at some $100 corsair 80+ gold and someone recommended the cheapest bronze seasonic

>>56504800
Archiving videos and occasionally looking at them. The description they give seem to fit my needs and it's at a good price. I'm just not sure if it's reliable. I'm saving a lot of Korean and Japanese content that are hard to find.

>>56504895
Buy a cheaper 5900 rpm drive. 7200rpm isn't worth the price and the heat if you're just going to do that, unless you can catch one for less than a Seagate equivalent. I remember seeing the X300 4TB go on sale for $120, which is an insanely good price when a Seagate Desktop 5900rpm 4TB goes for $117.

>>56504815
I do check review sites, and no, their recent models are not worse than their older ones. They are in fact far better unless you're talking about the low end bronze ones which maybe worse than the equivalent bronze units they sold back when 80+ bronze was the high end. I don't much care because the G-series is the absolute lowest end PSU I buy, and I do know that the 80+ bronze units have high quality capacitors at the very least. The only fault SeaSonic has is spotty quality control.

But that's hardly exclusive to them. You can get duds from anyone. SeaSonic doesn't sell trash under their retail brand.

What's the fastest CPU for single thread use only?

>>56504851
That's absolutely an alternative. around $70 is a good price range to get good PSU.

>>56504932
>unless you're talking about the low end bronze ones which maybe worse than the equivalent bronze units they sold back when 80+ bronze was the high end.
yeah that is probably what they were talking about.

>>56504950
IBM 100GHz Graphene

>>56504968
And what's the fastest consumer CPU for 1 thread?

It's possible to rescue a hp pavilion a1710n? I can only install a Wi-Fi card, but idk for a video card.

>>56504983
i7-4790k at stock

what motherboard should I pair with an i5-6500? apparently z170 is just for overclocking?

>>56504991
What do you mean "rescue" ?
Fuck Wifi.
Pretty much anything recent will bottleneck the fuck out of that CPU.
get something used.

>>56505023
>just for overclocking
no, but it's silly to get that chipset unless it specifically has a feature you absolutely want, because H110 chipset is cheaper.

>>56504983
i7-5775C at stock speeds probably, I don't think you can overclock it though.

>>56505033
i don't even know what features it has so I guess the h110 is a better choice for me

>>56505058
this should give you a better idea about differences:
>https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Z170-H170-H110-B170-Q150-Q170---What-is-the-Difference-635/

note that most cheaper h110 mobos are mATX so they are smaller than regular ATX so it will look a bit silly if you get a regular mid tower (atx) case. but this means you can get a smaller mini tower case if you want to save some space in your room.

>>56505036
>I don't think you can overclock it though
Oh, you definitely can, but she won't like it. I have one a 4.3GHz and it's pushing 70 degrees on a 120mm AIO. Shit does not like overclocking.

>>56504146
Oh Ok. Thanks I didn't know that.

>>56504968
Evga 650w platinum for $100? Is a better rating worth the extra mone?

>>56505114
4.3 is pretty good. You got any benchmarks of it? Like say Cinebench 15 or maybe even CPU-Z benchmark. I'm not sure what loads that processor is good at, but I know it's good at something and that there is nothing else like it just yet.

Can I plug an old hard drive form an old desktop with vista on it into my new build?

Will it just work?

I've got an older 8350 build, do you guys think it'd be worth it to go from 1866 ram to 2400?

>>56505153
from*

>>56505091
is something like this a good choice? it had the most ratings on pcpp. space isn't too much of a concern

http://pcpartpicker.com/product/hMvZxr/gigabyte-motherboard-gah110ma

>>56505150
On CB15 I think it scored just a few dozen points above my stock 4790K at a measely 4.4GHz. I wanted to push it to 4.5, but it just wasn't having it.
My 4790K at 4.7GHz can whoop it, though, especially with single-threaded benchmarks. But that L4 cache really helps the 5775C tip the scales in multi-threaded benchmarks and tasks.

>>56505153
You need to prepare the driver for disk controller. Either by reverting to the default fallback driver and shutting down or by installing the proper driver somehow.

>>56505130
Not really. 80+ rating is mainly efficiency, not reliability (tho it is a pleasant side-effect but not a huge one).

Stick with 80+ gold fully or semi-modular for around $70.

>http://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/qYTrxr,DPCwrH,N63RsY,Rkh9TW/

>>56505172
Unless another brand has better warranty, yeah that's fine.

>>56504116
2GB VRAM is a no-go right now, either get a 4GB 460 or cut the SSD and get a 470

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http://pcpartpicker.com/list/jT7TYr

ok, I switched to an i5-6500 and an h110 motherboard. how does my build look now? I can spend a bit more on something if it'll be a great improvement. I've whittled this down from $1500

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/jT7TYr

>>56505290
Dont really need aftermarket cooler unless you really want a chill and silent PC.
I'd get a different brand HDD.
Get a RX 480 instead.
Does the monitor have FreeSync?

>>56505290
A 6500 will bottleneck your Fury on CPU intensive games, if you can get a 6600k and a better mobo you'll be fine

>>56505313
I want it to be as cool as possible within my price range desu
what hdd would you suggest? I had a western digital black in there for like $120 and everyone said to switch
isn't the fury nitro like 20% faster for only $20-$30 more?
yeah it does, which is why I've been sticking with amd despite their worse performance

>>56505348
I didn't even think about bottlenecking. is the 6500 that much of a decrease from the 6600k?

>>56505387
>is the 6500 that much of a decrease from the 6600k?
Stock for stock not much, but when overclocking takes place you're gonna see much better results with the 6600k in games like GTAV and TW3. I have a locked i5(4460) and a 390X and it's sad to see the GPU sitting at 70-80% usage inside Novigrad and my framerate getting to 40s

>>56505387
>what hdd
http://pcpartpicker.com/products/internal-hard-drive/#S=2000000,10000000&t=7200&i=25&f=2&c=64&sort=a10&page=1

they are all pretty much the same, i just avoid seagate out of principle

>isn't the fury nitro like 20% faster for only $20-$30 more?
nevermind then. keep that

>>56505434
this. even just the option to OC down the line is worth it IMO. but you basically get free extra performance so you dont have to upgrade as soon.

>>56505290
fixed the list
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/kd7TYr

>>56505467
wd blacks are not worth it as a secondary drive
also the H7 is better than 212 cooler
and you can save a little on the PSU if you wont OC:
http://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/qYTrxr,DPCwrH,N63RsY,Rkh9TW/

>>56505467
you can get a 480 until vega drops(and sell it when it drop), but don´t buy a fucking reference fury to be precise NEVER buy ANY card as reference they all suck dick

What is the best GPU for Fallout 4?

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>>56505434
>>56505466
I don't know anything about OCing. should I still invest in it (6600k + z170) and just learn when I need it? pic related, a build i can afford

>>56505513
is this a reference card? I didn't think so since it had sapphire in the name
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202186&cm_re=fury-_-14-202-186-_-Product

>>56505467
>>56505513
Fury > 480. There's no "reference" Fury, that's the Nitro model which is a really good model with amazing temps and build quality, although is really long so check if your case can fit it.
Also to the guy who's buying, check this article on undervolting: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/msi-afterburner-undervolt-radeon-r9-fury,4425.html
You can get your card close to 980s in power efficiency without losing performance

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>>56505566
It's not refference, that's the model in pic related. You really should invest on a unlocked CPU even if you don't know about OCing just for future proofness, read some guides online and do it when you're confident enough, you're gonna thank me later

>>56505566
>I don't know anything about OCing
it's very easy, you just change one or two settings in the BIOS for a light OC that wont do any harm

>should I still invest in it (6600k + z170)
highly recommended, yes.

>reference
that just means it has the standard cooler and board design (typically the 1 fan blower design). they tend to be hotter and louder.
the brand (sapphire) just means it's made by that company, they can have both reference and non reference (like 2-3 big fans all over the card).

>>56505566
Build looks fine, it that monitor FreeSync compatible? If so, I think it's perfect

>>56505511
Depending on what he does blacks are worth it if he doesnt have backup hdds, if he has backup hdds he can get a cheap hdd.
also never cheap out on psu it can fuck you hard, also Seasonic is the best psu manufactor.

Cpu cooler yeah missclicked that I wanted to choose the Thermalright Macho Direct its only 2°C under the Noctua NH-D15S for much cheaper at least in EU

>>56505668
most hitachi drives are just as reliable as WD

>>56505566
if you drop money into z170 for oc possebilitys get an ASUS board they are better around the 100$ mark

>>56505668
did you even check the fucking list of those power supplies linked?

nothing about those is cheap, real reviews confirmed good stuff.

>>56505681
true but all Hitachis I had were loud as fuck

>>56505610
>>56505625
seems like having the option to OC is very beneficial, thank you for the info friends. I will definitely go with the OC build

>>56505663
yes it is, I specifically sought out a freesync monitor and chose the components around that aspect

>>56505668
isn't the evga g2 line made by seasonic?

>>56505685
which one would you suggest? I'm really unfamiliar with motherboard makes and models

>>56505692
I consider 100$ to be cheap for a psu....because I drop around 200$ for one, also why buy rebranded stuff from evga when you can have the actual manufactor aka Seasonic with 10years warrenty?

>>56505717
just to be real, don´t get blindsided by the OC stuff, in 8/10 cases your gpu will be the bottleneck and you can OC the gpu with an h170 or z170 chipset just fine, ocing the CPU only gives small advantages in SOME games for a much bigger price tag, in general I don´t recomment buying oc cpus if you don´t sli/crossfire because the price/performance is just not there

>>56505696
Super loud. Do you have any suggestions to dampen noise? Maybe special screws?

>>56505758
This was the case 2 years ago, but games nowadays are getting really CPU heavy and I don't see that going away. The extra money he's gonna spend now with the unlocked stuff will guarantee him 2 or 3 years more of good performance down the line, look at people with 2500Ks for example

>>56505783
you could use some rubber sealrings between case and hdd, that absorbs at least some noise transmitted via case but those mofos are still loud

>>56504815
>diablotek
Lol, aye fuck you fame.

I had one of them bitches running for like 3 years until I gave the computer to my friend since his shit the bed. It's still running. Going on 5 years now.

>>56505803
>"most"
no like I said SOME games aka the only games I know are badly optimised games like GTA V or games like AotS(that nobody plays).
Doom (which is a new and modern game) is not that cpu heavy.

Also the 2500k-2700k series is a special case they OC like beasts which is not the case for skytrash which ocs like shit.

http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/NRMcHN

I know the PSU is a little overkill but does this look good otherwise?

>>56504815
>That kind of brand loyalty is bad. I heard Seasonics more recent models are not as good as their older ones.
I don´t know were you get that bullshit but Seasonic Prime Series is the absolute best on the market atm, there is nothing with better.

>>56505897
holy shit 100$ for a b150 mobo switch that shit for h170.
Also if you really want a 1060 get one from evga.

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>>56505880
>badly optimised games like GTA V

>>56503416
>3000
>terribly optimized ancient engine with huge performance issues shows improvements
What about any other games? F4 is an outlier.

>>56505926
Not him, but while we are on the subject... What about a H110 mobo with an i5 6500? Some dude on YouTube recommends the H170 for the i5, but why? Is it just the extra ram slots? Sorry but I am a bit confused when it comes to mobos

>>56505953
I mean it's true, game looks nice but it's so cpu heavy, for no good reason. It still pulls all the tricks to get lower usage, vehicles are not persistent etc

>>56505880
GTAV is very well optimized on PC.

>>56505926
What is the difference with the mobo?

>>56506025
H110 is meh because its slower DMI and no PCIe 3.0
its Z170 (for oc or crossfire/sli), H170(for upgradabiliy ( no crossfire/sli) or b150(for poor fagbuild (no crossfire/sli))


H170 is better because its more futureproof you can upgrade more stuff like adding a M.3 ssd later on.

but most of the time you can get a reasonable z170 even without K cpu if you want to crossfire/sli later on if you for example bought a 480

>>56505953
>>56506175
no its not, its a shity console port and just because rockstar slaped a shity filter + AntiAliasing on it doesn´t make it well optimised.
It uses way to much resources for what it does while still having all the shity console cheats like despawning vehicels etc.
you won´t find one serious reviewer that will say GTA V is a optimised game for pc.

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How can I save a little money on the first 4 parts?
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/CJ6RKZ

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If I were looking for something upgradable range gaming pc, what would I need to be better than my current shitty laptop?

>>56506354
>you won´t find one serious reviewer that will say GTA V is a optimised game for pc.
considering you can play the game at 60fps with a 750ti I wouldn't say the port is bad, also you sound clearly upset about something, did someone hurt you today?

>>56506387
Budget's maybe $600.

>>56506399
6600k, cheap 2133mhz ddr4, an overclocking mobo and a modern GPU (depending on your resolution it'll probably be between the 1070 and 480/1060)

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>>56505926
http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/JHdmD8

Is this better? I don't know much about motherboards.

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Huakka/saved/KHFJ7P
?

>>56506354
It doesn't use too much resources, it's very easy to run. You can run it on a complete toaster with a graphics card like a GTX 460 which can't run most modern games at all. It ain't GTAVs fault if you turn the "rape my CPU" options to max when you have a shitty 10 year old CPU.
It has settings for a reason.

Probably one of the best optimized games on PC really. Also, you shouldn't be complaining about "deswawning cars" when you can't even run it properly on your toaster with optimizations like that in place.

>>56506383
drop the shity AiO and buy an aircooler like every smart person does
>>56506395
the cpu useage is way way waaay to high for what GTA V shows, if you don´t understand that I can´t help you and you are legit retarded. Try google but im really fed up with the GTA V fanboys

>>56506508
but muh quiet
Also not even 100% sure if a 212 will even fit in the n200 case

>>56506508
>the cpu useage is way way waaay to high for what GTA V shows
woah now I'm convinced
>if you don´t understand that I can´t help you and you are legit retarded
understand what? a random affirmation by some anon on 4chan? can you provide me some link or proof that the game is poorly optimized?

>>56506275
Oh Ok. Wow thank you heaps for helping me :). I never plan to crossfire or sli or oc, and the b150 is only a few cents more than the h110 for my poorfag build, so I guess that is what I will go with. I hope the ASRock B150M-HDS is a good one.

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rate

also suggest small cases that fit ATX boards please

>>56506508
>50% CPU usage at highest on any individual core while bottlenecking the shit out of GPU with all CPU rape settings set to maximum possible is too much
Wow.

You should realize that you're taking a scenario where you have weak processor performance and equating it to bad optimization. No, your processor performance is weak.

>>56506598
looks like you want to OC so I recomment 3000mhz ram
>mobo
Asus Z170-K same price but Asus quality
>HDD
WD Blue aslong you don´t swap data like mad its ok
>GPU
le meme card 970 wait for vega/volta and OC 970
>PSU
10/10 money can´t buy you a better PSU


>>56506529
AiO are not quiet you still have fans but addtional pump noise, Aircooler is better trust me. Also you don´t buy a 212.... get Phanteek/Noctuna or Thermaltake Macho. also google helps if you are not sure if the cpu cooelr doens´t fit.

>>56506543
legit retard, i already told you google I don´t spoon feed retards on common sense

>>56506657
your greentext and you complet post makes no sense try thinking befor posting

>>56506788
>so I recomment 3000mhz ram
can't find 3000mhz RAM without shitty memesinks.
>Asus quality
no thanks.
>wait for vega/volta and OC 970
done and done.

>>56506598
2400/3000 = 8/10
>250GB hard drive
Time to get 2TB drives set up for data recovery.

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/F9JTnn

Some parts like the fans that came with the case are placeholders, but have no plans of future-proofing the build either. So far this will be the power PC that does digital editing/ light gaming.

Thinking of using a dual monitor setup as well(1440p main and 1080p side portrait monitor).

>>56506811
No, you try thinking before posting. You're equating bad performance with maxed settings on a weak processor to bad optimization. Console cancer.

PC games are supposed to take advantage of powerful PC hardware and GTAV gives you that option by being well optimized. Not only that, but it also scales down to weak PCs better than the majority of games.

>>56506815
You know things are getting hot nowadays, I'd rather have memesinks all over my faster memory than save $5 and stick with stock 213hz ram

Which one should I get?
>2x8GB 2400c11 DDR3
>2x8GB 2133c9 DDR3
>4x4GB 1866c9 DDR3
All around the same price. I kinda want to get 2x8GB (higher speed, future upgrade, easier on memory controller or so I heard). While 4x4 will look good and it's a bit better deal.
Mobo is Gigabyte Z97X-UD5H paired with an i7 4790k

>>56506873
RAM doesn't need memesinks m8. not even 3ghz RAM.

might say fuck it and buy stupid memesink RAM but it will annoy the fuck out of me any time i have to look in my case.

speaking of which, please suggest small cases that will fit a d15 and ATX mobo.

>>56505348
>>56505387
That is 100% bullshit. Don't listen to that anon, that cpu is fine.

>>56506987
How would you ever see your RAM heatsinks? My RAM is lodged so far behind my colossal CPU cooler that getting it out requires me to dismantle the entire computer.

>>56503416
Any other FX-8320 GTX 1070 here?
feelsbadman.

>>56507035
How bad is it

>>56507021
>How would you ever see your RAM heatsinks?
opening the case to install a new drive.

wouldn't be often but i don't want to pay for gayyymmeerrr shit.

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First time building a PC. I've mostly copied this build for a NAS, I'd appreciate a look over to make sure I'm not making a silly mistake or missing a key component.

I'm guessing I'll also need to pick up thermal paste and SATA cables?

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/xMGcHN

>>56507064
>don't wanna pay for gaymen
But like you said, you can't actually find 3000mhz ram that doesn't have a piece of metal attached
How are you gonna not pay for gaymen, I would like to know personally

>>56507662
by accepting the rather small performance difference between no-memesink RAM at 2400 and memesink ram at 3000.

>>56507259
The glaring thing is how much that mobo costs, but I don't know any cheaper lga1150 socket 6+ sata-capable ones. I'm not sure about cables, but I'm under the impression that the CPU comes with thermal paste. Check the box contents first.

>>56507673
Can you find 2400mhz ram without heatsinks?

>>56507785
see >>56506598

>>56507673
You're just as bad as people who do insist on memesinks
It's just ram, even my motherboard is gaudier than my corsair ram, I don't give a fuck

>>56507064
Shit, I actually paid money for a hard drive heatsink I'd love if it already came with one
Better heat management never hurt anyone

>>56507064
You're buying a $160 80+ titanium power supply.
I wouldn't worry about looking like a fag from your ram

>>56507822
>You're just as bad as people who do insist on memesinks
I'm as bad as people who fall for the gaymer meme because I'm not falling for it? What?
>>56507839
>hard drive heatsink
You're retarded. You need a handler.
>>56507880
>$160 80+ titanium power supply.
lmao lemme guess you think anything more than 80+ bronze is stupid and don't mind screaming PSU fans because you use gaymer headsets.

>>56507945
Well considering there apparently isn't an option for the ram speed you wanted that's cool and naked green pcb enough for you, there's nothing to fall for, you win.
Enjoy your $5 saved on ram and your PSU that costs as much as my CPU (which goes great with my $75 3000mhz Corsair™ Vengeance™ LPX™ DDR4)

>>56508010
PSU should be in the top 3 for most expensive components in your PC.

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>>56507945
>his hard drive can't boil water

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I was planning on making 2k pc from scratch with. 3000 dollar budget with peripherals and all, any recommendations?

>>56508125
logicalincrements.com

Chuj dupa cycki

>>56506450

That's a nice motherboard. Friendly reminder that H series can't overclock, but you're buying a locked processor so that's just fine.

I have the miniITX version for one of my gaming computers and like it a lot. I'm a fan of Gigabyte.

What's the highest GPU + CPU combo I can power on a decent 520W power supply (SeaSonic M12II)?

Also is it safe to overclock on such a tight wattage?

>>56508137
I live in a backwash town biggest computer store is a family value

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How this for a beginner build? My goal is to be able to play Dark Souls 1 & 3 at a minimum of high on 60fps and be able to stream at the same time.

I've been doing a little bit of research and people have recommended me to upgrade to an i7 if possible. My goal is to attempt to keep the build under 1,100 USD (with Windows and Monitor included).

Any suggestions on what to upgrade, keep, or toss?

>>56508225
pls be troll

Is this good? I'll be getting the 4790k from silicon lottery so I can over clock it better.
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/mtLsLD

i need a good to high quality psu that costs up to 75 usd

minimum 400 watts

>>56508239
Where's the PSU?
Also
>optical drive

Hows my build, /g/?

Been researching parts and builds and combos and I figure that this is my best bet for a decent PC for rendering videos/playing games. Theres room for upgrading down the future. I have two addition al 1tb hdds in addition to the 120gb sd. The only thing that I'll be putting on my SDD is my OS and a few crucial programs

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/y6BcHN

>>56508239
seems like a big ass waste of money for outdated technology

>>56508405
What? I like having an optical drive, and it's only $20. Any recommendations for a PSU? I think I didn't add it because I wasn't sure how much I'd need if I over clock everything.

>>56508426
>outdated
Explain.

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>>56508425
forgot to add pic.

anything i can trim down or improve without adding too much money?

>>56508438
you know exactly what i fucking said. if youre going to spend that much money buy fresh technology

>>56508465
What in that build is outdated?

>>56508461
2x4 is better than 1x8

you might want a bigger ssd or maybe add a hdd

you also might want a better psu. or if you dont mind the quality its at you can save some money and get a side grade

>>56508483
>4790k
>DDR3
>Z97
>all this paired with a 1080

>>56508483
hahaha. oh you

im going to bed peace out bitch

>>56508508
only reason to stick with haswell is if you have a lot of ddr3 memory around and don't want to spend another 70+ dollars.

>>56508508
>4790k
Overclocks fine, isn't forcing Win10 in a year.

>DDR3
Not actually worse than DDR4

>MOBO
Irrelevant if it isn't the bottleneck.

>>56508537
>Not actually worse than DDR4
Yes it is.
>Overclocks fine, isn't forcing Win10 in a year.
It's outdated and $30 cheaper than a 6700k. If you're spending TWO THOUSAND UNITED STATES DOLLARS on a PC you should be getting something that is current.

>>56508537
>autism, the post

i know its hard to change with the times timmy but occasionally you gotta give

>>56508552
>6700k
Forced Win10 in 2018 is not what I want, can you read?

>>56508573
>Forced Win10 in 2018 is not what I want, can you read?
Then don't buy a GTX 1080 you fucking retard. You don't fucking need something that powerful if you're just going to stay on DX11 1080p.

You're fucking hopeless. Go ahead and spend 2 grand on an outdated computer.

>>56508573
which makes me wonder. i have an aspie friend who doesnt do anything all day but mooch off his parents and play video games. how do you social retards even afford this kind of things

>>56508389

bump

i need a good to high quality psu that costs up to 75 usd

minimum 400 watts

I see a few comments around the web saying that Kaby Lake is just going to be Skylake with a better iGPU.

Is this true? Is there any confirmation of this?

I need something right now but I can make do with my old bucket of shit laptop for 1-2 months if Kaby Lake will be a 5-10% increase for the same price (I dont care if they are going to be the same when overclocked, I just want out the box performance for now, going to keep away from overclocking for a bit)

>>56508225
well, for starters

>unlocked CPU with a mobo that doesn't allow overclocking
>awful budget SSD
>single stick of RAM running in single channel mode
>8gb in 2016

if you want to stream definitely grab more memory and aim for an i7 instead

if you squeeze in just $250 more into that budget you could spring for a PC with a 6700k, a Z170 board for overclocking that CPU, and a GTX 1070 instead

you won't be able to stay under $1100 with the monitor + os that way but it's much, much more powerful than what you currently have laid out and not all that much more expensive

I wouldn't spend more than ~$650 on a build with a 1060 in it

here's what I threw together real quick, you should tweak it to suit your needs since your original build indicates that you're aiming for a more compact form factor but it should give you a general outline of what you can do

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/Mp3ZJV

>>56508503

Yeah but 1x8 is cheaper and I can get asecond 8gb later on if I want.

I have two HDDs in addition to that SSD.

I think the PSU is fine

>>56508583
A high-binned 4790k is just as good as Skymeme. And who said anything about 1080p?

>>56508588
I have a job and live alone, not that you'll believe that. I just don't my PC turning on at 3 am or restarting in the middle of use.

>>56508583
>DX12
>not Vulcan

>>56508588
lol where do you live? where i'm at there's no way he could get away with living like that because the adults realize that coddling is bad

>>56508631
im your neighbor mother fucker HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>56508611
it's outdated you dumb fucknut. you're spending two thousand fucking dollars on a PC, you should be getting CURRENT hardware. if you really hate W10 so much then install gentoo and use PCIE passthrough in a VM so you can have gaymes and a non-botnet OS.

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>>56508640
anon r u ok?

>>56508602

bump

i need a good to high quality psu that costs up to 75 usd

minimum 400 watts

pls help

>>56508641
>outdated
>works just as well
You keep shouting outdated, but that means nothing without evidence.

>>56508671
it means the architecture has been succeeded by something else.

i'm not going to sit here and try to convince you not to waste your money. if you want that 4790k go right the fuck ahead and buy it. you'll find yourself moving to W10 when you realize you need DX12 for gaymes and then you'll regret not getting the 6700k.

>>56508671
desu you would be gaining more from DDR4 over the new shiny skymeme cpu. like you said, they arent much different.

>>56508685
>regret not getting an extra 0-2 frames
really makes u think

>>56508671
you may have a good memory. you might think youre "smart". but one of these i swear itll finally click in your head

things dont have to be perfect

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>>56508708
>2 frames
wew

>>56508717
OH DAMN HIT EM WIT THAT OP POST

>REKT REKT REKT REKT REKT REKT

>>56508667
christ, how are you having an issue with this? here's a handful. literally just pick one at random, they're all good.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171098

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182330

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA07234S8692

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207038

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA68V3W73237

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182356

Guys I have a question. I recently built a PC and I'm trying to install windows 10 from the USB onto my SSD drive. When I express install it goes into aj infinite loop of going through the set up each time i start it. When I custom install it wont let me install it onto the ssd?

What do?

>>56508717
now can you post a 6700k vs a 4790k with same exact ram speeds?

>>56508711
That's exactly my point. Things DON'T have to be perfect. I'd rather have something slightly out of date than Windows 10.

>>56508755
>with same exact ram speeds?
that's fucking stupid.

>>56508815
how is that stupid? it puts them on equal footing.

>>56508826
because the point of DDR4 is faster memory speeds. if they are both equal then there is basically no difference.

a skylake 6700k with 3000mhz DDR4 RAM will btfo a 4790k with 1866mhz DDR3 RAM.

>>56508839
>3000mhz ram is faster than 1866mhz
please tell me more

>>56508839
in certain workloads sure. not all ddr3 ram is slow as fuck, it's not hard to get good quality ddr3 that can OC to 3000 mhz.

>>56508856
>spend $2000 on a computer
>get outdated hardware

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I'm looking to replace my two GTX 760's with one of them new fancy pants cards, is Nvidia's 1080 a significant leap over the 1070 or is it a diminishing return on price/performance? Or should I just get a GTX 980? Right now I have a 144hz 1920x1080 main monitor but I'm also looking to replace that with a 21:9 ultra-wide with a high refresh rate.

>>56508856

if mhz dont matter why would you give two fucks to compare them at the same level

oh shit wait what

yeah i know you wont budge but its cool. its just a shame there's some aspie like you out there throwing away all this cash to shit post on forums

>>56508856

>please tell me more

I actually can. The reason why is because of the transfer rates between DDR3/4 RAM versus GDDR5 VRAM are usually very different with DDR3 being much lower.

If you don't have enough Vram in your desktop in some games or other products you will notice mild to heavy stutters which could be compensated having faster ram.

This is something you only really have to worry about regarding lower end CPUS and GPUs.

It really is
/pcag/ - PC Assembly General

Hey /pcbg/, I'm looking to get a new PC, pretty much for playing games on it.

How does this build look? Is 600W PCU enough?

Asrock Z170 Pro4S
Be Quiet Pure Power L8, 600W
Intel Core i5-6600K
Kingston 8GB, DDR4, 2133MHz, CL13, Kit of 2, HyperX Savage Black
Giga Byte GeForce GTX 1060, 6GB, GDDR5, WindForce 2X OC
Seagate 2TB, 7200rpm, 64MB, Sata III, Barracuda

Yes, I know, >outdated hardware . Would still be better than the battery-powered potato I spent 10 years on.

In my most recent build I found that my mobo stopped my radiator from fitting perfectly in the build. So right now its held in by 2 cableties and the pressure between the mobo and the case. How badly did I fuck up /g/?

>>56509581
>i5 6600k
>1060
>outdated
wat?

Also 600W is enough.

>/6600k general/

>>56509638
Somehow I though people would insist on newest i7 and 1080, but I really don't have that sort of money. I should get a McJob

>>56509692
No real reason to get the newest i7 (6700k), only difference is hyperthreading, and you can overclock the i5 to 4.5Ghz easy (but if you are gaming you likely won't need it).

1070GTX is currently best bang for buck right now, with I think the 1080 being top dawg for performance. The 1070 is $200 more though.

There has been a lot of fighting all day about
> 2133MHz RAM
though.

http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Artillerychimp/saved/2ZBD3C

First build, I don't need it to be a really nice machine, just better than my PS4(not trying to meme, just want something better)

>>56504116
get an fx-6300
equal if not lower price
better performance

>>56509717
Good thing my cpu only supports 2133, so I don't have to worry about it.

Repeating question from previous thread.

As somebody living in Poland, where both RX 480 Nitro + 8gb and GTX 1060 (Asus or MSI) cost near the same (1400-1500 PLN - or 312-334 EUR if you wish), which one would be better idea in longer run (2-3 years)?

Just in case somebody would be wondering, I still use monitor with native 1650x1050 resolution.

Are WD Reds the quietest, reliable HDDs?

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I spent quite some picking the parts for this build. My budget is 1500€ and i am pretty much exactly at that. I live in Germany b the way.
I will mainly use ist for gaming. Thoughts?
And sorry for the shitty screenshot, am mobile atm.

>>56511703
Forgot the link to the build.
http://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/LstDcc

>>56509692
No you're getting the newest i5 and 1060
It's all brand fucking new

>>56510184
An i5 with a z170 mobo?
No, that shit support like 3800mhz or something

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Hey guys i'm actually looking to buy a pc for gaming but i'm not a expert in it. So my question is how the xeon processors perform?
The pc which i look is like 400€, it has xeon 8x2.93ghz, 12gb ram (upgradable to 64gb), and a 2gb grafick nVidia quad 410. So my question is, how does the xeon perform and has it a impact on gaming? Is it good or it could be better?
Too many questions sorry.
Thank you.

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This is also the graphic performance with the xeon processors, and i would like a normal pc ao i could run some newer games and actually play some games :/

>>56511794
>>56511889
>Taking pictures of a screen

>>56511980
GPU can't handle screenshots. Need to rely on obsolete tech.

>>56503416
I purchased a h110 board and a i3 6100. While it is totally sufficient for 1080p 60fps in everything save cpu games like WoW, I will be upgrading to either 1440p, 1080p 144hz, or maybe 1440p 144hz in early november. I'll need a superior CPU. Out of the skylake family it seems like the i5 6500 is a logical upgrade but it's performance falls short of the 2500k, which I could pick up for $100 and throw in my old p67 board. Should I just get a 6600k and run it at stock in the h110 board? Or is the 6500 sufficient, even if it is inferior to the 2500k? I just want to make sure I'm getting the most FPS out of my 2ghz 1060 6gb that I can in Overwatch, WoW, Doom, etc.

Wait, if I bought a i5 6600k I will be forced to use W10?

>>56511409
>1650x1050

>>56512073
In 2018, but I'm not really sure how they'll enforce it.

>>56503416
>**Consider 3000MHz DDR4 in your new build**
Should I really

>>56511980
I didnt make the pictures, i downloaded them from the website where the guy has set his PC to sell

>>56511794
>>56511889
>buying a server for gaming

>Use pcfartpacker to check compatibility.
>Says R9 390 is compatible with all my 6-year-old parts, no hiccups.
>Still can't get it to work.
>Have RMA'd three times now.

>>56512117

Yeah, I like that monitor. I have 1080 at work and everything is so damn small.

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Is a 750W PSU overkill if I don't plan on overclocking?

Also is the 1080 likely to drop in price by the time I'm ready to buy (mid October)? It's been fluctuating a lot lately.

Why has the cost of building a pc increased almost 2x since I made my last one? Fuck I built a computer for 700 last market and now I'm getting a minimum of 1500

Fuck this gay earth.

>>56512354
>what is enlarging

>>56512385
Leave the kid alone.

Hey guys
I broke a pin on my motherboard and now I need to change it.
I updated some parts last year so I'm not worried about them, but my proc is old : It's an i5-760. So I don't if I should buy a 60$ chinese motherboard and keep the proc, or just update the whole package.

I use this pc for gaming. If I use a newer CPU, will I see a notable increase in perf ?

>>56505874
>anectodal evidence
fuck off

Any opinions on the Corsair 500R case?

I guess it sucks that you cant use 3rd party fans with the inbuilt fan control

>>56506354
i could run gta 5 on medium settings, 1080p on a fucking core2quad @ 3ghz

gta5 is amazingly optimized, you must be thinking about gta 4

>>56508908
The 1080 costs 50% more but is only 15-20% better fps wise in current titles than the 1070

Some guy offering a PC with these specs for 700€

MOBO: Asus H170-PRO
PROCESSOR: 4-core Intel® Core™ i5-6600K (6M Cache, up to 3.90 GHz)
RAM: 16GB DDR4 2x8GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000MHz
HDD: 250GB SSD + 1TB SATA
GPU: Nvidia GTX770/4GB GDDR5 memory, 256-bit memory interface(Gigabyte)
SOUND CARD: Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Extreme Gamer, 7.1
DVD DRIVE: LG Super-Multi Blu-ray Rewriter GGCH20L
DISPLAY: 22" ASUS VW225NL - LCD black, 8000:1, 300cd/m2, 5ms GTG, 1680x1050, DVI, TCO03
CASE: NZXT
PSU: Be Quiet Dark Power Pro P7, 550W, 80+, Cable management
KEYBOARD, MOUSE
OS: Windows 7 64bit
2 months old

Thinking that getting this + some other GPU would be very worth it.

>>56512361
so a psu will work at its maximum efficiency when the load is 50% of its wattage. if you get a 750 then your watt consumption should be 330-370 give or take

>>56511552
no

>>56511409
AMD because actual full DX12 support and freesync doesnt cost extra like nvidia gsync does. also generally you get more performance boosts from driver updates with AMD over time, while you get strangled by nvidia updates in a few years.

>>56512067
>comparing i5 6500 to i5 2500k
different sockets bruh.
and you should have thought about higher resolution before you bought the first time, enjoy wasting money.

>>56512313
you're fucking retarded, stop blindly relying on pcpartpicker
i hope you get charged extra cost when they find out the gpus work flawlessly

>>56512361
>wont OC
>picks OC parts
yes also kys

>>56512597
>most efficient at 50% load
that's irrelevant these days because of the 80+ rating standards.

>>56512383
because you dont know how to pick parts, fucktard.

>>56512500
upgrade cpu,mobo and ram. you will notice it.

>>56512527
check reviews

>>56512584
>MOBO: Asus H170-PRO
>i5-6600K
>GTX770
>Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Extreme Gamer
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

holy shit unbalanced but yeah buy it from him and sell the mobo, sell the sound card, sell the gpu then buy new z170 chipset mobo and a good GPU and you got a good one for pretty cheap

>>56512724
Is the mobo and sound card really that bad?

>>56512724
>AMD because actual full DX12 support and freesync doesnt cost extra like nvidia gsync does. also generally you get more performance boosts from driver updates with AMD over time, while you get strangled by nvidia updates in a few years.

Thanks. Also, is it worth to pay more for 8gb version instead of 4gb? Assuming that I plan to make next upgrade for GPU in next 3 years or something?

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Current build and what I plan to upgrade. Are these good choices?

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>>56512724
please. type more nonsense so you can appear smarter to a bunch of strangers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/80_Plus

a psu will work at its best when the load is at 50%

>>56512584
German prices
Mobo 112€
CPU: 231€
Ram: 75€
HDD: if samsung ssd 75€~ if not like 40€, HDD if black/red WD or something good 80€~ if not 40€~
Sound: 45€
GPU: Trash like 70€
DVD: like 10€
Display: NOT HD = trash dont fucking touch that shit with a 10foot pole
Case: meh 50-100€~
PSU: be quiet meh like 50€
rest doesnt matter.

around 783€ real worth atm so you would save 83€ instead of buying new. I don´t calculate the display because its fucking trash and you shouldn´t use that shit ever.

Also you should be really cautious on why he would sell is "new" pc.

Should the RX480 or 1070 be good for general gaming? Currently upgrading to Intel Core i5 6600k and need a better GPU than my current R9 380X

>>56512361
>don't plan on overclocking
why do people say this?

>I don't want free performance
fuck off. modern PC parts are almost impossible to kill unless you're retarded, and even then it's hard. k-processors even more so are harder to kill

you're a stupid cunt if you buy any pc part that can be overclocked and don't overclock it

>>56512361
Holy...
Ram: meh ok
Cpufan: there are much better alternatives aka Thermaltake Macho. Phanteek,Noctuna, Alpenfön
PSU: Drop like 20$ more on it and get the best one the market aka Seasonic Prime
GPU: get Evga longer warranty bette quality + step up if you later want ti
SSD: if you have the $$ get the PRO, evo is ok tho
Mobo: its ok
CPU: if you only play gayms get i5, even if you encode a video once in a blue moon its not worth it.
Case: full tower uegh...well everybody has different tasts I recomment the evolv atx

>>56512866
well if you buy new 480 if you want to wait for the real gpus aka vega/volta or a 1080 now i would avoid the 1070

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What do you guys think of this build?

Price is in AUD, already have PSU

>>56513027
you dont have a storage drive

i recommend you go on amazon and look at the hdd and ssd toshiba is selling. amazing price per power and great quality

>>56513057
Oh yeah, I'm just gonna be reusing my current ones.

>>56513027
Cpu: why do you buy a K (unlocked) CPU meant for OC with a H170 board(not meant for oc) huge waste of money. either get z170 or get a non K cpu.
GPU: Evga is the brand you want to buy
Cpufan: there are much better alternatives aka Thermaltake Macho. Phanteek,Noctuna, Alpenfön

>>56503831
Not true at all..

Some games won't even launch on an i3

Not that I would suggest an i5 well definitely not an unlocked model.

>>56503416
>**Consider 3000MHz DDR4 in your new build**
pic unrelated?

>>56513098
>>56513098
which games?

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>>56513083
Thanks anon, switched out the K and changed the GPU.

Just rereading the description and says the CPU comes with a heatsink, do you think it's really nessecary to get a different cooler if I'm not gonna overclock?

>>56503416
HOLY SHIT

AMD ETERNALLY BTFO

Do not buy from AMD.

Anyone here used Crucial MX300 SSDs ? I'm about to get it's 275GB version

>>56513184
I'm using Hyper212x with my 4690k (4ghz, don't really benefit from overclocking) and it's running dead-silent in my case (except one time i was rendering a video that took 30minutes but that was it, and still it was barely audible.

I don't know how the stock cooler is but 212x definitely worth it

>>56513184
Well you can use stock coolers but I won´t recomment it, costum cooler are much quieter and cpu runs cooler.

Also god damn stuff in canuckistan is expensive

>>56513224
crucial is the budget go to ssd in my opinion they are fast and reliable for the money

>>56513359
>canuckistan
Nah man this is AUD. Shit's fucking worse I'm just glad I can claim this build on tax.

>>56513210
What?
You're acting as if AMD's processors being bad is news

They were mediocre when they were new- like 4 fucking years ago.

>>56512724
>different sockets, can't compare it bruh, Intel socket changes are too advanced to comprehend
>that's irrelevant because of the 80+ standard
>you NEED to OC immediately just because you can
Are you actually fucking retarded or are you just trying to get your (you)s?

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The Cryorig H7 sold out as I was about to buy it. Should I wait for it to re stock or should I buy a different cooler? I'm kind of lost on what cooler to get now. Here is my build http://pcpartpicker.com/list/9j9Mbj

>>56512914
Enjoy your <3 years of CPU usage while mines lasts until I die or have a need to overclock it, whichever comes first

>>56513451
Thank you. AMD is, and always has been, shit. Do not buy from AMD. Supporting AMD is antisemitic.

>>56512938
>evga quality senpai
You were to guy that said to get an asus mobo because "it's only $20 more for asus quality" aren't you?

>>56503416
am I missing something here, why is there such a huge fps increase with faster ram?

>>56512361
If you don't plan on overclocking get a 650w 80+ bronze or gold for literally half the price
Don't fall for the titanium meme

>>56513402
>on Tax
Lucky man if you can write if off completly then fucking get a K CPU + Z170 and oc the shit out of it.

>>56513526
>processors cost 10% of Intel options
amd is for those who don't necessarily want the best, but also don't want to pay an extra $300 for branding

>>56513526
>the way you're meant to be played

>>56512762
no but its a K model cpu made for OCing and the mobo chipset cant OC.
and onboard soundcard is enough for 99% of all people so a soundcard is redundant.

>>56512799
yes. the 8GB version is not even much more expensive.

>>56512843
>3-5% difference
wow it's fucking nothing.
do you even know what the end result of this is?

>>56512857
this

>>56512866
>>56512973
stfu, 1080 is 50% more expensive but only 20% faster. 1070 is much better bang for your buck.

1070 is faster than 480 but also costs a bit more. but remember that amd gets more driver improvements and their version of gsync (freesync) doesnt cost extra like nvidia jews. also nvidia doesnt have full DX12 support like AMD.

>>56513098
>http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1783?vs=1646
>not the same gaming performance
KYS retard

and if a game cant start with an i3 you should not support the company that made that game.

>>56513184
get 2x8GB RAM instead, it's not smart to fill all ram slots from the start, you dont get any improvements and you are just restricting yourself in future upgrades.
you dont need an aftermarket cpu cooler.

>>56513508
>out of context quoting
>putting words into my mouth
and you call me retard?

>>56513510
how long before its back in stock?

>>56513549
better memory controller

Upgrading my motherboard/CPU since the CPU is finally starting to show its age, borderline can't play new games. As mediocre as the GTX960 is I feel like it'll do for now and I can upgrade that later down the road but I'm just aiming at an i5 at this point, I feel like that will run most games?

I have a two monitor setup and notice pretty high CPU usage when playing any new game, so I'm wondering if the i5 would be sufficient but when I decide on a CPU (I think I'm going with the i5-6500) and go to grab a motherboard to match, it seems that DDR3 is just horribly outdated? I can't seem to find a board for a 1151 socket type with a decent pricetag to match.

I'm Canadian and my budget is about 400$ for CPU+Mobo, just need it to be compatible with my DDR3 1600 RAM since I can't upgrade all 3 right now.

>>56513756
GTX 960 is still decent, you can definitely keep that until you can afford upgrading the GPU.

i5 is the goto-choice for gaming.

>just need it to be compatible with my DDR3 1600 RAM
no, dont do this. you actually see a noticable difference with better RAM with skylake thanks to the new memory controller.
besides theres only like one motherboard for skylake with ddr3 ram support. plus you're locking yourself in a box.

alternatively get last generation i5 (4000 series).

>>56513526
there is still the entry level which intel offers nothing

>>56513608
>implying amd is not a brand you pay extra for

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>>56513526
>>56513210
meh nvidia shills finaly found this thread into the trash it goes

>>56513747
>stfu, 1080 is 50% more expensive but only 20% faster. 1070 is much better bang for your buck.
hm true

> that amd gets more driver improvements and their version of gsync (freesync) doesnt cost extra like nvidia jews. also nvidia doesnt have full DX12 support like AMD.
Well amd ages good true fact but AMD doesn´t have full DX12 support no gpu atm on the market got that.
AMD and Nvidia have different solutions for simultaneous shading if you want to get a good gasp at it. There is a really quality post about it on /r/nvidia atm https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/50dqd5/demystifying_asynchronous_compute/
hur dur reddit nvidia yeah its for once a good thread read it and you will understand.

>>56503416
First time pc builder here so I'm clueless on all this stuff. After doing a bit of research I came to this build but idk if it is worth it or not any advice?

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/9gjpBP

I would like to bring it closer to $1000 if possible. Also would it be worth waiting for black Friday / cyber monday?

I'm from the USA and it will be primarily for gaming and working with virtual machines on it.

>>56512843
Too bad when you're calculating your psu requirements, you're not calculating your typical load but your worst load.

In b4 you're one of those people who places worst case load at the 50% mark of your psu even though that level of loading is almost completely synthetic.

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>>56514259
>http://pcpartpicker.com/list/9gjpBP
CPU: ok
Mobo: why z170 if you don´t oc (non K cpu (just for info amd cpus dont have K because all cpus are OC able))? get a h170 for that
SSD: buy samsung ssd
PSU: hur dur im a paid shill for SeaSonic so buy a Seasonic PSU

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>>56503416
Did I fall for the meme /g/?

i5 [email protected] / GTX 1070 +100Mhz

>>56514309
i forgot
>buying windows
don´t buy fucking windows man download it.

>>56514325
aslong you are not one of the retards who think just pluging in the ram and it will run on 3,2k mhz everything is ok.

>>56513747
>how long before its back in stock
No idea I'll wait a week and see what happens. It's the last thing I need to start building and the Corsair H100i v2 for $97 at a local best buy is looking pretty tempting.

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Lookin to upgrade, I've got:
R9 290x
i5 4460
8gb ram

Any suggestions?

im trying to find a decent case

im getting an matx board. but it doesnt have to be an matx case. ill accept mid towers and micro towers

it shouldnt be a piece of crap. i want something sturdy

a window would be nice

dust filters would be nice

shooting for under 100 bucks

Guys I'm gonna buy a used pc with

Fx 8320 processor
8 gig ddr3
750 ti
1tb hdd

For $550 this weekend, am I getting scammed?

>>56514364
nothing really worth the upgrade to be honest, wait for Vega/Volta and the new Intel/AMD Cpus next year then it will be worth the upgrade

>>56514390
it would be ok for 260-300$
500$ is scam in my opinion

>>56514390
I was going to sell my computer with an 8350 and gtx 9604gb to a friend for that price. You aren't getting "scammed" but it's a rather high price.

Is it worth it to get 16 GiB RAM for gaming these days? Or will 8 still be enough?

>>56514390
hella scam bro.

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/9sjZJV

same parts brand new 480 bucks. pirate windows or get linux

>>56514509
Never managed to get my 8gb full, ppl will still tell you to buy 16gb because they are so cheap

>>56513747
The end result of this is that you paid $160 for a power supply
Brand name blindness or not that's idiotic, especially for someone telling people where to save a few dollars

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Yo /pcbg/, I need some help choosing a motherboard.

I'm looking for a motherboard for my first new build, nothing super pricey, but my budget for the motherboard will be about £200 +- £50, keep in mind this is in Norway so prices will be inflated because of fucking sales tax and shitty VAT(so 2000-2500 NOK (norwegian currencies)).

Anyway, here are some specs. I will need a LGA-1151 socket afaik
-i5-6600k (Gonna be overclocking)
-Geforce GTX 1080TI (When it comes out, gtx 960 for now which I have installed in another pc)
-2x8gb hyper fury 2400mhz ram kit
-Hyperx predator m.2 240gb ssd
-EVGA GQ 80+gold rated 650w PSU
-getting a UPS because I don't trust the electricity in my house. (Is this worth it)

Some other notes
-No DAC or amp at hand, so I need good onboard sound (like, really good because I'm getting the ath msr7 and I want to immerse myself in glorious sounds)
-Gonna be gaming too, so I need good onboard ethernet which preferably, prefers gaming connection opposed to streaming/downloading.
-Hate the colour red, I'm fine with painting but if its red LEDS then I'd rather commit Sudoku.
-Prefer the colour blue, but any other colour than FUCKING RED FUCK OFF EVERYTHING HAS TO BE FUCKING RED WHY IS GAMING CONSIDERED RED. FUCK.
-I'm looking at the maximus 8 hero but it seems overkill. (and its red)

Please, /pcbg/, you are my only hope.

>>56514383
Cooler master n200 then saw out the side panel and glue a piece of acrylic plastic as a wibdow

>>56514885
>Z170 chipset
>sort by lowest price
>choose first non-red

>>56514921
Good idea bro but I'm not capable of looking through 50 different motherboards nor do I have the memory to remember which one I want by the 50th one. I'm also not smart enough to write it down.

>>56514885
>-getting a UPS because I don't trust the electricity in my house. (Is this worth it)
No, unless you get a good UPS. They cost over 200 dollars.

>>56515032
I'm looking at the Bluewalker PW UPS VFD 600 APFC 600VA (not sure what literally all of these mean excepet ups) and I get it for 85 dollars

>>56514259
>z170 chipset with locked cpu
get H170 or H110 mobo instead.
consider faster RAM for up to 10% fps boost in games
get samsung 850 or intel 540 SSd instead.
a 2TB HDD is not much more expensive and cheaper per GB.
>buying windows

>>56514325
see OP pic

>>56514364
you dont really need to upgrade.

>>56514383
Define R5

>>56514390
too expensive. that graphics card is shit. if it was around $300 i'd consider it.

>>56514509
you dont NEED 16GB, but if you open and close games often during the day it will cache files and make it load faster after the first time.

>>56514842
>The end result of this is that you paid $160 for a power supply
no, you can get a god-tier PSU for $70-100. stop being a retard.
and the result is you save a few dollars on your electric bills if you fall for the MUH 50% LOAD meme which is just fucking pointless to argue about.

>>56514885
msi gaming m3 or m5
get faster ram for up to 10% performance boost.
have you has electric issues before? if not then UPS is wasted money.
Get a decent CPU cooler if you plan to OC.
M.2 SSD is pretty memey. get a regular SATA 2.5" instead.

>>56515197
>m.2 ssd memey
1500mb/s read speed is memey?

>>56515271
Name one benefit you get with that over a regular SSD.
Unless you work with large media files and rendering, you won't.

So I want to get a genuine OEM version of windows 7 for my new build. Anyone know of any legit online stores that do digital download copies? I can find places through google but they all seem shady as fuck. (ausfag if that makes any difference)

>>56515103
600VA means it can deliver 600 Volt-amperes, which isn't a lot although it is reasonable for office use. The wattage it can deliver according to spec sheet is put at 360W, although if it was 600VA it could probably deliver more assuming active PFC works properly with it - which it might not because this outputs a simulated sine wave.

Even if you got around the low capacity, simulated sine wave is shit. Like I said, you can't get anything good for less than 200 dollars. Unless you're buying used.
I use an old AEG Protect B, which is a really low end non-toy UPS and even that cost over 200 dollars.

>>56515271
from what i heard the boot time isnt even that much better.
and you can get almost the same speed with RAID on two regular SSDs, and still get much more storage space.

>>56515330
Why? Just pirate. Also, do know what OEM means?

My potential build so far.

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/F9JTnn

So far I want to use a dual monitor setup, mainly with this

http://www.microcenter.com/product/403608/PB278Q_27_WQHD_LED_Monitor

and a 1080p panel.

>>56514328
From where though?

>>56515377
Where from? And isn't an OEM version just the ones usually supplied pre-installed from a company (like dell) that sells "complete" PC's

>>56515377
Whats the cost of operating this raid thing? You have peaked my interest.

>>56515351
Fair enough, I'll opt for not having it then or is it not worth it? Because my electricity works in the way that I'm concered if it can deliver 100% at all times, as opposed to dipping to 50% for a millisecond. I'm not entirely sure how to explain this but yeah, will it be worth it?

>>56515386
looks good. but you should use a wire instead of wifi.
>75Hz monitor for that price
it's shit mate

>>56515428
>get 4GB or bigger USB drive
>download official untouched iso
>download daz loader
>download windows usb dvd tool
>use tool to put iso on usb
>install
>run daz loader

>>56515430
what do you mean operating cost?

>>56515467
that's not how electricity works. call the company that owns your lines and ask them to test it if you are actually concerned.

>>56515197
Also, is the H7 cryorig enough? Plan to overclock to around 4.2-4.4 ghz range for optimal life expectancy (atleast 3 years?)

>>56515467
PSUs have a hold up time. High end PSUs can have pretty long hold up times, where you can lose power for over 15ms and not feel it. It's not worth buying a turd of an UPS. Cheap UPS are nasty.

Only time they are worth it is if you're putting some networking equipment or something else irrelevant on them.

>>56515500
Well, the cost of a raid setup that works better, faster and cheaper than a m.2 ssd without increased risk of disk failure.

>>56515500
Thanks for the info..... but where would I find the official untouched iso?

>>56515541
it should, it's a pretty good cooler.

>>56515557
this. get a nice seasonic gold rated psu

>>56515563
Two of any regular SATA SSD in RAID0. That's it.

>>56515618
http://mirror.corenoc.de/digitalrivercontent.net/

http://windowsiso.net/

magnet:?xt=urn:btih:3745914E391062A36E58EB7973C7C7C3E20F6D8F

here's daz loader:
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:3558CC5A599841B3BAA98D960E259CAA66748E6D

remember dont blindly trust shit on the internet, make sure you compare checksums with the official release.

>>56515659
Cheers man, haven't torrented in years (like limewire long ago) so not sure if that "magnet:?xt=urn:" thing is to do with torrenting or something like that. Anyway, you've given me some things to read into so that'll keep me busy for a bit.

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Help me /pcbg/, I don't know what I'm doing.

I'm trying to do my first full build with
>i3-6100
>radeon rx 480
>gigabyte h170 gaming3

The processor and motherboard both say they use DDR4 memory, but the GPU says in its specs that it needs DDR5. Yet all of the build tools (Logical Increments, PC Parts Picker) say that these three components are compatible. What gives?

Also, recommend me a good side-windowed case to show off the ultra-fucking-cool red LEDs on the motherboard (get fucked >>56514885). The NZXT s340 would be perfect but it doesn't have an optical drive, which I do want.

>>56503592
I have the n200, pretty good case. Small enough to definitely have a nicer form factor than full ITX builds, but large enough for modest cable management, space for drives, fans, and adequate airflow.

It is also like $30 on sale, totally worth it at that price.

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Rate my rig, i just finished it after 3 months.

who else poor here, going for the cheapest i could get at 1080p (the drives where basically free), im form sudamerica so getting stuff is hard.

>>56515828
no the gpu says that it uses DDR5 ram there is a difference

So based on the replies in this thread, this is what my build will be;

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/TEquals/saved/bdnQ7P

I will buy the GTX 1080TI when that releases, but if there won't be one I'll get the EVGA 1080 FTW edition.

Any recommendations? I'm also coupling with a couple LED strips, a blue snowball, and the NT H1 thermal compound.

>>56515993
Don't worry, I'll be getting win10 from g2g for £70 cheaper.

>>56515659
You're a bloody king amongst men. The daz loader magnet link took a bit to connect but all going sweet now.
Didn't know a thing about checksums before but now understand it and will check before I try to install.

Cheers again buddy.

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>>56504116
>i3
I only recommend the i3 if you plan on upgrading later, otherwise an AMD equivalent in that price range is generally better. In general, the i3 is trash.

>SSD
They're kinda nice to have sometimes but you're going to want more memory for sure anyways. A SSD is best for something like a laptop.

>GTX 950 2GB
you can do a good bit better for a little bit more and some sacrifices here and there

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/qmtn6X

>>56515933
So Logical Increments and PC Parts Picker are wrong...?

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I probably wont buy anything but fiddling around

I dont think I will bother illegally downloading windows, not worth the hassle.

>>56516237
No, they are saying its compatible, there is a difference between gddr5 and ddr4, they're not used in the same way and are compatible.

>>56516237
no

GPUs have ram in them
that particular gpu uses ddr5 ram for all of its graphics processing, while your general computer utility uses your dedicated ram

the gpus use ram for texure processing and rendering and that sort of thing, and even cpus have ram in them although in a small amount (typically 50mb or so)

so you can have ddr4 dedicated ram and ddr5 for your graphics processor, they are separate

>>56514259

>>56514309
>>56515197

Just updated the build any additional changes needed?

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/RMzfyf

>>56516336
>>56516398
Ahhh this clears things up for me, thank you

>>56512500
told you in last thread just upgrade mobo+cpu+ram. you will notice it.

>>56512527
you can still use 3rd party fans.

>>56515771
yes magnet links are torrents without downloading a torrent file. if you have a torrent client (qtorrent recommended) you just click file -> add URL or click the magnet link

>>56515828
RAM is on the motherboard. GPU ram (VRAM,video RAM or GDDR) is built into the graphics card and has nothing to do with the motherboard.

>>56515924
>2x1TB WD green
>EVGA Builder PSU
rest is OK for a budget build

>>56515993
>m.2
you can raid two regular SSDs and get about the same speed and more storage for the same price
>seagate 1tb hdd
there are alternatives like hitachi and toshiba and wd unless seagate is cheaper for the same speed and size. also 2TB is not much more expensive, which results in less cost per GB.
>logitech keyboard
full retard if it's regular membrane. get a good mechanical keyboard with nkeyrollover and antighosting from a good mech keyboard company.

rest is good.

>>56516079
>I only recommend the i3 if you plan on upgrading later
that's fucking stupid, you're wasting money. it's FAR better to wait a little and save money to buy the better CPU from the start.
>SSD
SSD is nice to have for all kinds of users and reasons, but on a budget it's better to skip it and use that money on better CPU or GPU. it's easy to add an SSD later.
>>GTX 950
I agree. 950 is complete shit these days and it was never really good compared to AMDs alternatives in that price range.

>>56516324
>not worth the hassle
what hassle? it's easy as fuck even my grandma could do it
pretty good build tho, would only swap the cpu cooler. cm 212 is no longer king of the block (check cryorig h7).

>>56516410
faster ram maybe. you can get up to 10% fps boost in games with 3000-3200mhz ram.

>>56515828
You dumb nigger. The RAM inside the video card IS GDDR5, which is soldered onto the card itself. Whatever RAM you're using on the motherboard doesn't matter as long as it works with the motherboard/CPU, whether it's DDR3, DDR4, or even DDR2 (Core2 masterrace).

>>56516573

The cryorig H7 is 46€ here instead of 35 dollars. Does pirated windows get updates? I would have to download an iso, get it to a usb stick, install whatever daz loader. Too lazy to bother.

>>56516728
>The cryorig H7 is 46€ here instead of 35 dollars
it's also better.

>Does pirated windows get updates?
yes. it's easy to activate aswell.

> I would have to download an iso, get it to a usb stick, install whatever daz loader. Too lazy to bother.
It's not any more complicated than putting the DVD in your PC.

but fine whatever, your wasted $100 you could use on better hardware. i dont give a fuck if you're retarded.

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>>56510096
m8
lets not be lying to ourselves now
that processor is simply outdated

>>56514966
How many people do you think remember what mobo they have? They remember: brand, chipset, and i/o, because that's more or less all that matters

>>56515271
I get well above 2GB/s
>>56515309
>nobody needs large media files ugh such meme speed you need slow
>you need 2+ TB! what are you doing files are huge

>>56512832
kaby lake is around the corner anon