/hpg/ - Headphone General

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HD800S gets you dual 3DPD

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HE1000 on the other hand gives you depression

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>>56398770
What do I get if I buy the Utopia?

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Hello, please recommend me something.

>Budget
400$
>Location
Europe
>Source
desktop
>Preferred type of headphone
full sized
>Open or closed
closed
>Comfort level
Very comfy, I'm going to wear them at least 5 hours a day
>Past headphones
Got gifted beats a long time ago and never bothered to get something decent.
Also they aren't comfortable.

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>>56398868
Manic depression

>>56398868
Hilariously overpriced dynamic drivers.

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>>56398868
Chronic beryllium disease

I know they are in different price brackets but dunno if I should buy a SHP 9500 or go all way for some X2
Gonna be powered by a Fiio E10K

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What are the differences between the Fostex t50rp mk2 and mk3?

I can find new mk2s on ebay for $90, refurbished mk3s for $115, and new mk3s for $160.

My old pair broke and I'm looking for something new

>Budget
$200
>Location
Asia
>Source
A PC and an iPhone
>Preferred type of headphone
Full sized
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Decent comfiness, as long as it feels good and not like a brick's been taped to my ears I'll be happy

>>56398981
X2 is miles better than the 9500, not that they sound that similar. the 9500 has honestly become a reddit-tier meme now. unless you can get them for like $40 don't bother.

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>>56398886
thx00 is $500 I think so... PM3.

>>56399102
http://www.innerfidelity.com/headphone-measurements

I wouldn't buy either unless you're going to get into a mod project. mk2 has more tried and tested mods. mk3 is new territory, though the mods will be similar, the outcomes will be different because they have different stock response.

>>56399210
xpt-100, or save up for an hp50

>>56398708
What happenes to wireless is frowned upon?

I've had these AKG Q701s for several years now, but the headband is broken and the left speaker keeps buzzing. I've taken it apart, tried fixing the wiring, tried making sure it wasn't interference from my amp or sound card, etc.

I really liked these, but the headband is absurdly uncomfortable. I have them wrapped in soft deer hide because they're so uncomfortable. What would you guys recommend?

I haven't been back to /g/ in years admittedly.

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>>56399675
kys

>>56399698
Fill out the pastebin form, nigga

>>56399740
>Budget
$250
>Location
USA
>Source
AUX/Phone connector
>Preferred type of headphone
Full (over-ear)
>Open or closed
Open
>Comfort level
Prefer more comfy for longer sessions.
>Preferred tonal balance
Warm or Neutral
>Past headphones
AKG Q701

>>56399582
Looks good.
Does OPPO PM3 have a mic though?

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>>56399977
no but I think you can get a cable with one

>>56399846
might want to try hd600 since you have q701. I have both and like them.

>>56400020
I see, I don't know how practical is a cable for talking during gaming but I will see.
I'm going to the headphones store tomorrow so if you have more rec my ears are all open.
thanks already for the pm3

>>56400020
Since you like both, how would you compare the K7__ to the HD600? I'm currently trying to decide between them, it's hard with the mountains of bullshit in reviews.

>>56399846
HE400S, used should be under $250
HD600, may find it used or on sale for under $300
MDR-MA900, only available used

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>>56399102

Well the Mk3's seem to have universally better reviews in their stock form. The Mk2's have a massive wealth of existing mod information and are said to have huge potential.

Personally, I have an unmodded pair of T50RP MK3 and I think they sound great as is. I'm sure at some point in the future I'll try some mods, but I think the stock quality of these phones is often overlooked because of the huge modding potential they have.

I bought both these and a pair of AKG K702 and while there were some things I liked about the AKG's ultimately I preferred the Fostex and returned the K702's.

If you're going to buy to do a specific mod, sure get Mk2's. If you want a good sounding stock can and huge future mod potential, get the Mk3.

>>56399582

Nice amp & DAC. A multibit Bifrost is next on my list.

>>56400093
Is multibit worth it? Tempted to try the Modi Multibit to see if it's just a meme.

>>56400179
>Is multibit worth it?
No.

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Reminder to have good source audio components.

>>56400183
Ok, is it literally just snake oil BS or just a very small improvement?

>>56400213
It's literally just another method of achieving the same thing, except the outdated, obsolete method they use requires the DAC to be on at ALL times.

>>56400231
If it's in a desktop system then I don't care if it's on all the time, does it sound better even a little?

>>56400267
No.

>>56400179

Honestly, it's a pretty contentious issue. A lot of people believe like this guy >>56400183 that it's absolutely indistinguishable.

However, some of tech talk from guys like Mike Moffet, who have been top industry digital engineers for decades, can be pretty convincing that there is a reason for it. I mean, they're working on it because they really think it's the way to go.

Granted, these people also stand to benefit from sales. There's bias built in and I think it's easy for people to dismiss it because of that. However, the larger margins are in affordable equipment so why even bother with expensive architectures if you make more money by selling volume?


I've only tried regular old onboard DAC's and one nicer standalone delta sigma. But, I'll "waste" the money on one to try it for myself. I could have returned the Lyr 2 at any time for 15 days if it didn't win me over, but I liked it enough to keep it. We'll see what happens with the Bifrost.

>>56400273
Yeah I was afraid of that.. I'll see if I can audition a multibit DAC sometime, I doubt I'll throw money at one just to test it.

>>56400273
>However, the larger margins are in affordable equipment so why even bother with expensive architectures if you make more money by selling volume?
You need statement products to build reputation as a company and manufacturer. There's a reason why places like head-fi have this stigma that FiiO just make entry level products.

>>56400057
check back in this thread ill post when I get back to my main PC.

>>56400231

It has nothing to do with it being on all the time you dunce. It's just a different circuit architecture for achieving the same thing. It requires more expensive and complex circuits.

Some people swear it's different. Some swear it isn't. Most people who claim either way have never ABX blind tested in otherwise identical setups so their opinions are meaningless, and even those who have fall on both sides.

>>56400267

So who knows, basically. People with jobs can try it out, people without jobs get to read about it, and everyone can pick a tribe.

I'm going to try it.

>>56400314
>It has nothing to do with it being on all the time you dunce.
Except the components don't work best until they're at ideal temps for operation.

>>56400298

The statement products thing makes sense to a point, but company's like Schiit for instance built their reputation with their early, less expensive products like Asgard. They didn't even release their "statement" products until like 5 years in after they were already largely successful.

>>56400312
Thanks, I appreciate it.

>>56400334
The point still stands though, especially in an industry where performance is almost entirely subjective to the people who purchase the products.

Just look at how the new Jontunheim from Schiit is being written off as a 'mid-fi' amplifier because of its price point, when it reality Jason's intention was for it to be a better SS amplifier than the Mjolnir and even Ragnarok.

>>56400324

I'm pretty sure multibit and delta-sigma DAC's respond identically to "warming up". As in it doesn't matter any more than any of your other solid state electronics warming up.

>>56400356

It's definitely interesting how the Jotunheim is going kind of ignored when the designer came out and directly stated it measured and performed better than ANY of their existing lineup, flagships included.

I was half tempted to return my Lyr for one. It's probably the best value item in their lineup now besides maybe the regular Magni/Modi.

>>56400393
>I'm pretty sure multibit and delta-sigma DAC's respond identically to "warming up"
I'll just copypaste since I'm too lazy to write it up myself.

"A real resistor doesn't have a constant value but it is actually dependent on temperature:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/restmp.html

For many devices this difference in resistance due to operating temperature can be tolerated, even most DACs. Certain multibit DACs however use many resistors in parallel to process a digital signal. Here is an link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resistor_ladder

You don't really need to know the details but what you do need to know is that it requires many many resistors at extremely tight tolerances, around 0.01%. With a slight deviation in temperature it is easy to go outside this tolerance and you get behavior that wasn't intended. The manufacturer designed the circuit when the resistors are running warm. For a DAC the current is actually pretty low through these resistors so they won't generate much heat. Which means it might take awhile for the circuit to get up to operating temperature."

>>56400393
I'm considering getting a Jotunheim but I just got an Asgard 2 a few months back. I could just move it to the bedroom though. I also heard the Audio GD NFB-11 is comparable, has anyone tried one? I don't know anyone locally that has an Audio GD amp.

>>56400428
AGD stuff is not comparable, it's honestly laughed away by most non head-fiers. Kevin Gilmore even used AGD as a comparison to another amp as an extremely low benchmark that even the other amp couldn't match.

>>56400428

The things people are saying about the Jotunheim is that it's basically going to topple the current amp price / performance ladder because nothing else at $400 can touch it.

Could easily be just hype and hyperbole, but people usually reserve that for much more expensive products.

The idea that I could have had a DAC right onboard for the same price as Lyr 2 + LISST is nagging at me, but no SPDIF input so I'd ultimately still rather have the Bifrost.

>>56400489
>but no SPDIF input so I'd ultimately still rather have the Bifrost.
Since it's a hotswappable module it could just be a matter of time before that happens.

>Jotunheim
Basically a less expensive HA-1 with less inputs?
Highly considering one now to build my system around.

>>56400441
So it's much better is what you're saying? I found a post on headfi saying that Kevin Gilmore praised one of the AGD amps so that seems like a good sign. I wish I could actually try one in the states though

>>56400536

Fewer inputs (most of them were unnecessary to begin with), no display, no remote.

And less than half the price, with an interesting new amp topology that (on paper) beats anything else even close in price.

Seems like an ideal centerpiece for any desktop setup.

I want to get a pair of headphones this weekend. Please help recommend something! I want the best I can possibly afford.

>Budget
$150
>Location
USA
>Source
phone, computer, and receiver (vinyl)
>Preferred type of headphone
over the ear
>Open or closed
Either, but open preferrred
>Comfort level
as comfortable as possible without losing quality
>Preferred tonal balance
neutral
>Past headphones
nothing to note

>>56400628

Some open back Audio Technicas. Supposed to be very efficient and neutral I understand.

>>56400648

Is there a specific model that you can recommend? I'd also prefer a pair with a detachable cable, but the pair I was looking at in my price range didn't have that.

>>56400680

I can't personally recommend any of them because I haven't listened to them, but the ATH-AD900X seem to fit your criteria neatly.

I've got Fostex T50RP (mk3) which I'm really enjoying, but they aren't maybe the most neutral and they definitely would be more comfortable with new pads.

>~$100
>IEM
>Focue on comfort and isolation
Will the se215s provide a decent ammount of isolation against my neighbors talking and walking around?
Currently using HD598s and am getting disturbed by outside noise when working. Im not replacing my 598s, I know the 215s arent as well balanced to my tastes. I just need something as comfortable as my 598s but with isolation.

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Anyone here tried this Tennmak Pro?

>>56400701

Alright, thanks. Those will probably be what I buy since I was looking at them already.

>Budget
$150 USD

>Location
USA

>Source
Fiio E10k (feeling like it was a waste of money)
T430 thinkpad

>Preferred type of headphone
Full sized, over ear

>Open or closed
Absolutely closed

>Comfort level
Very

>Preferred tonal balance
V or flat, didn't enjoy bright cans when I had them. Listen to pretty much everything but I'm getting into stuff like Sleep and Earth more recently.

>Past headphones
Sony mdr-V6, Dt-990 currently used

Selling off my dt-990 (black edition with shitty looking pads) to get something closed for college. Currently leaning for the Dt770 since I like the velour pads but I'd like to hear what your favorite closed cans are in that range.

The dt770 also comes in lower ohm versions so I'm considering selling the fiio off. But for now I'm only going to get rid of the dt990.

>>56400179
I'm pretty sure I know what you mean, but practically all modern DACs are multi-bit. One-bit converters haven't been a thing since the turn of the millennium.
The R-2R (segmented) version of the Modi has subpar performance, if we take some of Atomicbob's measurements as representative of the product.
Resistor ladders and strings are obsolete for audio use. They got thrown out by delta-sigma architectures for being cheaper and higher performance at audio. Building a DAC in the same vein as Schiit is going through a lot of effort to build a converter for more money that performs like a hack job but is still arguably good enough for its application (Redbook audio). Reminds me of those people who put together inefficient ways to print "Hello world", except Schiit actually says their solution is better.

>>56400393
We want the resistor values maintain monotonicity and relative values. The resistors inside are subject to uneven heating from the current being passed through components with different resistance, which breaks linearity. This gets more problematic as you demand higher bit depth.
This is part of the reason why we can't just have converters with arbitrarily high performance.

>>56400426
They don't use a straight R-2R, the MSBs are dealt with by resistor string. Takes some of the matching burden off the ladder.

Do Audio Technica ATH-M50x headphones actually sound good or are they a meme? Are there any noteable downfalls to them? I'm looking for something with good clarity at all ranges.

>>56401468
>Do Audio Technica ATH-M50x headphones actually sound good
Nobody here calls them good so what gave you that idea?

>>56401468
Very bassy and dark which obscure "clarity", shallow pads and high clamp lead to easy discomfort.

>>56398868
A cable too thin to neck yourself.

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>>56400179
Performs worse than the Delta-Sigma standard version, has absolutely no benefit due to this reason and it's more expensive. In terms of performance both are well beyond what we can hear but if you feel like putting some money on just a mere different topology is somehow worth it, it's up to you.

>>56400273
Moffat got blown the fuck out with his claims about multibit and its benefits in things such as spatial hearing and soundstage. He should stick to engineering and leave the discussion about human hearing to those who understand it. I guess that crap made for a great sales pitch given how most people don't understand a fraction of what he does and he's got a title and a name in the industry. Yggdrasil is particularly impressive performance wise but it simply doesn't do what Moffat claims it to.

>>56401487
>Do Audio Technica ATH-M50x headphones actually sound good
To some they do.
>Or are they a meme?
The what?

They have a significant bass boost and a spiky treble. For better clarity, without defining the term further, you should look for a more even and less colored response.

>>56401787

But you're admitting Yggdrasil has best of class performance.

What aspect of it's design gives it this? Would it be better off somehow as a delta-sigma design?

>>56401787
>Moffat got blown the fuck out with his claims about multibit and its benefits in things such as spatial hearing and soundstage
Source?

Can someone redpill me on wireless headphones? I kind of want a set for use with my Vive but I don't know anything about them

>>56402076
>redpill

They're made by jews and pushed by globalists

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>>56402135
I KNEW IT!

>Budget
$200-$400 but prefer lower end.

>Location
USA

>Source
o2/odac

>Preferred type of headphone
full sized

>Open or closed
closed; needs excellent isolation.

>Comfort level
don't care.

>Preferred tonal balance
neural; k702 is perfect for me

>Past headphones
k702, hf5, k550, 7506

>headphones I'm considering or have considered
oppo pm-3 but it seems a rip-off since k553 apparently sounds better.
meanwhile k553 has poor seal.
maybe msr7 but I hear mixed things.

>>56401794
>But you're admitting Yggdrasil has best of class performance.
I won't go that far. It's certainly up there. Some very well performing DACs:

http://www.stereophile.com/content/weiss-dac202-firewire-da-converter-measurements
http://www.stereophile.com/content/benchmark-dac2-hgc-da-processorheadphone-amplifier-measurements

>What aspect of it's design gives it this?
I couldn't say, I'm no engineer myself. Vaguely the answer is just the sum of its parts and excellent job at circuit design. No single good component in a large circuit can make it perform well. Neither R2R or delta-sigma inherently achieve some level of performance.
>Would it be better off somehow as a delta-sigma design?
Since the topology differs here I don't think that's a good question. Had they been designing a delta-sigma DAC instead, they probably could've gotten very close to Yggrasil's performance for less amount of R&D. Whether they'd have topped it in some areas is anyone's guess at this point. Focusing on topology and design instead of the performance is rather pointless. I think they just wanted to make something different and do it well at which they succeeded.

The problem I have are the claims about audible benefits which are simply unfounded as well as the horde of "enthusiasts" repeating those claims as truths.

>>56401931
Someone linked these here a time ago when Yggdrasil was released. I found some posts related to the matter quick:
https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/48dhsq/well_after_two_years_of_interest_in_this_hobby/d0lg9fo
https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/41s5zp/z_review_schiit_bifrost_multibit_dac/cz8fmk1
https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/4dwz1p/schiit_stack_upgrade_bifrost_multibit/d1vxl71

Aside from his cocky know-it-all way of posting, the post history is rather amazing. Full of cited papers backing up his claims and genuinely seems to have a solid understanding of audio in multiple fields. Some arguments are rather entertaining.

I'm thinking about picking up a pair of Sony MDR-V6s. Do you guys have any opinions or thoughts about them?

>>56402380
>>56402380
Good headphones for a good price.

>>56399846
hd600 my nigga

>>56400999
MDR-7056 for neutral, DT770 for V-shape. Really up to you. I think the DT770 is more comfortable.

>>56400628
HD 558. It's neutral and comfortable. Sensitive enough to be driven on weaker mobile devices, too.

>>56402380
They are good and fairly neutral. Nice option in their price point.

>>56402284
Not many neutral options there. Something wrong with the 7506?

>>56402306
>those arguments

It's much easier to fool someone than to convince them that they've been fooled.

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Newbie here with a quick question for you, guys: is Meizu HD50 for $50 worth buying for a use in office? I kinda like their form factor and size, but I'd like to hear some opinions from owners, if it's possible.
Thanks in advance!

>>56402455
>Not many neutral options there. Something wrong with the 7506?

I just thought they sounded shitty, lacking detail, and even tinny once I got good AKGs.

also when I posted I was considering msr7, but it has that absurd midrange/tremble bump
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/AudioTechnicaATHMSR7.pdf
argh

Got recommended FiiO E10k for my akg702, they seem fine but I can afford to pay up to 130 euros, any other amp worth more than the 80 bucks FiiO E10k that would be an improvement?

>>56402531
EQ

How do the legit DACs and Amps made by real audio manufacturers like TEAC, Pioneer compare?

I dont see whats the difference between these head phone brand gear and regular receivers?

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Hey anon I'm at the store and didn't find >>56399582 PM3
I got recommended BOSE QC35 black for those criterias >>56398886
How is he?

>>56403075
Of course the store would recommend the QC35, no one who knows anything would recommend those unless you absolutely must have ANC.

>>56403099
They are pretty great headphones, faint noise from the ANC circuitry aside.

>>56403050
Regular receivers have taken a hit in build quality for gimic stuff like bluetooth the last few years.

Basically it goes like this.

1970's name brand stereo flagships = totl solid state and tube
80-90's, still pretty good solid state
Early 2000's name brand theater flagships = excellent solid state and old school ladder DAC

Big receiver amps are fine for stuff like planars that don't require a linear resistance to power curve. All this tiny amounts of clean flat power stuff is necessary for modern dynamics only.

But to answer your question directly, the headphone brands have lower output resistance on the jacks, and a power curve more geared toward modern dynamic headphones. That's really about it.

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Hello guys I'm looking for bluetooth headphones
>inb4 bluetooth is shit

>Budget
under 150€ something around 100€ would be great, I'm totallly fine with buying second hand or sniping of ebay to save some bucks
>Location
Germany
>Source
Mobile Phone, Notebook
>Preferred type of headphone
bluetooth headphones no in-ear shit or something on or over-ear are both good
>Open or closed
doesn't matter
>Comfort level
high, I'll wear them while studying and when chillin but not while doing sports or anything
>Preferred tonal balance
i listen to classics and indie a lot not a huge fan of bass
>Past headphones
some philips bluetooth stuff

I already looked around a bit and found the
Sony MDR-ZX770BN that I can get for 99€ of amazon
and
Philips Fidelio M1BT which one can get around 100€ as well.

Has anyone here ever tried one or both of these? how do they compare?
Are there any other great options I should consider?

>inb4 budget way too low

>Budget
50 Eur
>Location
Europe
>Source
Desktop
>Preferred type of headphone
Full sized
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Very comfortable
>Preferred tonal balance
Not much choice in this price bracket, I imagine.
>Past headphones
Currently have the Tascam TH-02, looking for something more comfortable.

>>56403099
Yeah I guess they would since it's new but how good are they? Since you know something can you tell me why nobody would recommend this?

I need a DAC/AMP combo for my DT770 Pro 80ohms, I've got $250 I can spend on one so should I opt for FiiO E10K or something else?

How good are the AKG K 240's?

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>$1000

is this DAC amp a meme?

>>56403271
No, it's a DAC/amp.

>>56403280
it costs more than my whole computer and my headphones

are the hd650s good or did i buy snake oil

>>56403290
Okay. Thanks for sharing bruh.

>>56403256
May as well consider the schiit stack & o2/odac at that budget.

>>56403119
They're not for sound quality.

>>56403075
The QC35 drivers are really poor without ANC on because when noise cancelling is active so is the DSP that somewhat balances the sound. Without it they sound bad, certainly not worth $300. However, if you need ANC then they're probably the best you'll find or among them.

>>56403303
np.

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>is it a meme
>is it snake oil
>is it placebo
>is it worth it
>how'd i do /g/
>redpill me

it's time to stop

>>56403335
i ask because i want a genuine answer

can't really tell the difference between youtube quality and wav/flac and shit

>>56403311
So noise cancelling reduce the quality of the sound in general or just on those headphones?

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>>56403335
Feel free to leave anytime

>>56403368
ANC makes them sound better (they sound bad normally) but then you have all the artifacts of ANC and it uses more power. Generally, ANC headphones sound significantly worse at their price because the ANC technology has an additional cost and the manufacturers will start with bad drivers and adjust them significantly with an active DSP.

The point is you should get an ANC headphone unless you specifically need it.

>>56403265
:(

>>56403384
I see, thanks for the explanation anon

>>56403307
Would it improve the sound quality from let's say a E10K

>>56403311

QC replacement pads at 30 bucks = printer ink cartridges

>>56403443
Ideally you'd compare the units and listen yourself. However if I recall correctly the schiit stack & o2/odac measure better than the fiio.

>>56403469
I see, thanks for the help!

>>56399846
AKG K701/K702. The new models have flat headband, then they're more comfortable.
HD600 is lullaby-warm and I doubt that you can find it new for that price.

>>56400711
RHA Ma750 are superior.

>>56402620
O2+odac

>>56403335
What did you expect? This is a containment general after all.

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>>56402076
I use a pair of wireless (bluetooth) Sony headphones when playing Elite Dangerous in VR. They are actually quite decent, if not expensive.

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Rate or hate

I bought me some hd 700's a year ago, inb4 those headphones are the worst ive been looking at a good amp for them. I'm stuck between lyr2 and the little dot mk4 SE, anyone have any opinions?

so i've got an ipod video for 10 years now, any rec for an upgrade?

>>56404803
Headphones: 4/10
Amp: 8/10
Cable: 7/10
Stand: 0/10

Overall: 5/10

>Budget
50 euro's max
>Location
Netherlands
>Source
Phone, laptop and sometimes a hi fi source (CD player)
>Preferred type of headphone
In ear
>Open or closed
Closed i guess
>Comfort level
Comfy
>Preferred tonal balance
Slightly bassy
>Past headphones
ATH M-50X, Sennheiser HD595, Sony MDR (cant remember which ones), Xiaomi pistons (i hated the mid on these).

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>>56404618
Those sum up the entire board tbqh.

>>56404803
Headphones 6/10
Amplifier 8/10
Photograph 2/10

>>56404877
Those amps are the worst.

>>56404803
Love the gun metal color of that o2
.

I hope you EQ those 702s to get some actual bass.

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I'm looking for a set of over ear closed back headphones.
Can't say I know a huge amount about headphones but I hear these are good for the money, reviews look pretty good too and its at the kinda price I want to spend.
Does anybody have a pair and would they recommend them?
If not, does anybody know of similar priced model/brand that would be better?

>>56399846
K7XX

>>56405860
M40X are great. Get a pair of Brainwavz pads with them though, the stock pads are uncomfortable.

Just looking at amazon now, considering buying a pair of HD558's and it says there is a new model called the HD597 due to be released soon. Should I hold off on my purchase until then just in case or will it not really matter, especially if budget is somewhat of a concern?

>>56405860
Good headphones at that price m8. Build quality isn't the best though so treat them right. Like a fucking slag.

Should my FiiO E10K be on at all times even if my computer is off?

>>56406877
No it should turn off.

>>56404803
Headphones : 9/10
Amp: 6/10. O2 is a great amp but it's overkill for the K702. You could have spent much less money for an equally efficient amp+dac combo.

>>56405605
> le "no bass" meme
K702 has good bass when it's sealed properly.

>>56406877
It happens to me as well. I guess it's due to the fact that PSU should be off as well.

>>56407099
>equally efficient amp+dac combo.
Some examples please?

>>56407099
Yeah, well aware that O2 is overkill for 702's.

It's my insurance for future, because I do plan on buying different cans

>>56407186
E10K drives K702 much louder than anyone would like.

sup

I wanna go wireless. Best bang-for-buck?

>Budget
under 50 bucks

>Location
latin america, so aliexpress is the only realistic option

>Source
LG /g/2

>Preferred type of headphone
in-ear, but I'm open to alternatives

>Open or closed
closed I guess

>Comfort level
enough not to hurt after a couple of hours

>Preferred tonal balance
standard I guess

>Past headphones
dirt cheap panasonic ergofit rp-hje125

>>56399514
Nah, I heard both and prefer the 9500 by far, I tend to prefer a flatter signature so the 9500 was better to my ears.

Opinion on the SENNHEISER HD 598?
I've never really had any decent headphones so this would be my first one, not looking for anything professional, just better than Steelseries tier. Is this a safe choice?

>>56408332
Yes, almost anything in that price range is a safe choice.

>>56408332
It's extremely 'safe'.
They're the most comfortable and pleasant on the ears headphone you can buy imo

probably the best headphone for vidya. you can wear them all day, and theyve got fantastic soundstage and imaging. fucking love them for csgo

though if you want some more solid bass, the 558 and 518 are cheaper and nearly identical. just worse headband cushioning and earpdad materials.

these are all relatively flat still though. if you want more heavy V shaped check out
the beyerdynamic DT line or something.

>>56408417
>>56408455
Sweet thanks, I think I'll go for these

Do you have any recommendations for desk mics? I don't really use my microphone a lot, so I'm not looking for anything expensive, but I do want people to hear me properly incase I do have to speak

This store I'm looking at has some 22 EUR mic from Trust, would that be good enough?

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DT770 250 or 80 ohm with a FiiO? I heard they sound different.

Also is there a reason to avoid the all black version of the DT770 80ohm besides aesthetics?

You guys are all confusing me with your arguing about "anything better than an O2/ODAC is overkill and even that is more than you need" and everyone on the other side screaming the exact opposite.

Can't everyone just buy what they want / can afford, enjoy their music, and talk about it?

Lyr 2 (with some DAC) or Jotunheim with DAC card for driving LCD-2s?

>>56408504
really, just look for cheap microphones with decent reviews that have sound tests on youtube
make sure you have proper power for the mic, or it is a lower powered one. often youtube tests will use audio interfaces or other ways of giving full phantom power to the mic, which you may not necessarily have.

you can honestly get a full desktop condenser mic, boom arm and phantom power for around 35 USD using gear off aliexpress/gearbest/ebay

if you wanna go that route lemme know, or ask /csg/

>>56408719
I'm looking at the Samson Meteorite atm, it looks pretty stupid but I like the fact that it's so compact, that way I don't have a stupid stick pointing in the air, it's a little more expensive than I wanted to pay though

>make sure you have proper power for the mic
I was trying to find this out right now but maybe you know the answer, I have this USB hub in my monitor stand, would that be sufficient to not suffer any quality loss?

>>56408505
The all black is the same and looks better imo.

Are you talking about the fiio e10k? either way i'm pretty sure you should be getting the 80ohm version

>>56408760
USB typically only delivers 5v, which isn't really too great for full sized mic, and if you're using a USB soundcard, it often splits it for both output and input.

that said, unless its a powered USB hub, you're already lowering the voltage, depending how its made and what else is plugged into it.

it depends on the mic really. some are designed for USB use, some aren't.

I'm not familiar with the meteor mic, but from what it looks like its good, but you could probably find more unknown branded stuff for much cheaper, with comparable sound quality.

just research cheap USB desktop mics

hell, putting "cheap USB desktop microphone" into youtube, and changing the time results to in the past year will give you an idea of what you can get for minimal shekels.

>>56408697
Most people here are gay and don't like other people owning different or superior equipment.

You won't get decent discussion here. I only come here half drunk for the sake of it.

>>56408697
This place is full of poor high school/college students who have never experienced high end audio. What exactly did you expect from this place?

>>56408961
I ordered this one, it should be fine I think. Thanks for the help!

>>56408697
Magni is enough for LCD-2. I'd recommend the O2 as well but its output is not as powerful as the Magni.

>>56409018
There are some people here like myself that distinguish what's snake oil and what's good value for money.

>>56398708
OK anons. I have a big fucking request to ask of you. I usually stick to open/semi-open headphones. Sadly I currently work for a, so called, startup in a big retarded openoffice.
TLDR: people playing pingpong and talking about shit, playing games out loud are driving me mad. I need some cool headphones to save me from this nightmare.

>Budget
max 400£
>Location
United Kingdom
>Source
Nexus 5x/Macbook
>Preferred type of headphone
anything will do
>Open or closed
since I am looking for something that will cut the noise out - closed, I suppose
>Comfort level
I can deal with 6/10, but will wear them 80% of my day
>Past headphones
Koss Porta Pro, Grado SR60i, Audiotechnica ATH-M50x

>>56409142
Have you tried any headphone in the LCD series? Have you tried any amp/dac besides the Magni/O2? What is the foundation for your advice?

>>56408885
Sorry yeah, the e10k which is what I have with me right now. Good that it's the same, the DT990 in black was also cheaper so I was getting paranoid. I think it's because of the noncoiled wire and a rumor that the pads are some nonofficial replacement brand.

>>56409158
I can't give you any specific recommendations, but look for 'DJ Headphones', or monitoring headphones, as they're used professionally to cut out noise.

>>56408697
Expecting anything audible different beyond O2's performance is what people here mean and in nearly every case that would be a correct statement to make. There are some very hard to drive headphones which could benefit from having more power because that the O2 _might_ lack. And to avoid any confusion, lack of power translates into lack of volume. It wouldn't be an issue at all with those LCD2s. Then there are gear specifically designed to be audibly different e.g. not transparent.

>Can't everyone just buy what they want / can afford, enjoy their music, and talk about it?
Sure but the clash happens when someone makes a claim and another one disagrees. Personally I rarely bother to argue as usually all just falls to deaf ears but one part of me can't stand people parroting misinformation and making baseless claims which someone might believe.

>Lyr 2 (with some DAC) or Jotunheim with DAC card for driving LCD-2s?
More than fine.

>>56409018
>Most people here are gay
Plausible.
>and don't like other people owning different or superior equipment
That's true. The narrow mindset of /g/ in general which forgets anything else than the best bang for the buck options even exist, trying to tell random anons online of what something is worth etc. E.g. when someone asks for a DAC/Amp combo for a rather large budget people storm in and recommend E10K because it's "enough".

Then we have a our share of dumb audiophiles whose only argument boils down to "you're poor" or "you haven't heard it". People who think their "experience"(read: purchases) gives them some merit but who can't do much than ridicule others and repeat marketing jargon and audiophile publication lingo online.

And as always, sound quality is not the only or even the main concern of some of this equipment. Yet another thing which people here seem to miss time after time. Applies to headphones too.

Dam people really want that bass boost from the E10k huh? Why would you get it if not for that? I'll recommend the M3 any day over the E 10k.

>>56409270
The bass boost on the e10k is actually pretty trash. Its just a cheap well built, well-documented product. I do think there are better options by far though,

So i just ordered some Sony MDR-EX650 s. Soundmagics are virtually unobtanium here (and i dont trust ebay) and all the other options were either way more expensive in my country. 650s seem to convert really well to euros.

What can I expect?

tryna get some wireless shit

>Budget
no more than $70
>Location
US
>Source
i'll probably never use it on anything other than my samsung galaxy s5
>Preferred type of headphone
full sized, but not humongous, since i'm trying to go portable
>Open or closed
you decide, I don't really have a preference
>Comfort level
as long as it doesn't hurt after an hour or two

What do you recommend, /g/?

>>56409158
Its probably better to get IEMs if you really need isolation.

Etymotic IEMs are the typical non custom recommendation for isolation. I've heard very good things about their new ER4XR, but the original ER4S is very good too.

>>56409158
What did you like or dislike about the M50X? That would help at narrowing down some options.

>>56409270
The shelving bass boost filter is useless when you have a computer plugged into a device anyway and a parametric equalizer at hand. I think it's more the fact that the device is affordable, does what you expect it to do and does it rather good. It's fairly well documented and all around a safe purchase, easy to obtain, drives most headphones on the market etc.

>>56409167
LCD-2 and LCD-3.

Tried many other DACs and amps. They don't sound different, you're paying for features or prestige at the higher price ranges.

>Budget
~100£
>Location
London (Chelsea) until tomorrow afternoon
>Source
Desktop and iPod Classic
>Type
Full sized open back
>Comfort
Very comfortable -- good for warm weather . Must be non leather
>Past headphones
Sennheiser HD500A (kind of like the old HD550s I believe). The Sennheiser HD598s are perfect.

Any help would be great.

>>56409142
>There are some people here like myself that distinguish what's snake oil and what's good value for money.

That's true. There are good posters and decent discussions here and there but it's mostly shit to be fair.

>>56409454
>The Sennheiser HD598s are perfect.
what do you mean by this?
you own these? because you won't be surpassing them with that budget
or they're what youre looking for? im not sure you can get them for that price. if you can then they seem optimal


the HD 518's or 558's are quite similar and a lot cheaper. they're just more bassy [still not m50x tier niggerbass]
pads on the 518 could do with a replacement, but its really up to you in the end, i didn't mind them

they've all faired well in Australian summers with no aircon

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>>56400340
>>56400312
OK, sorry for the wait I'll link in the next thread too if I remember. I have both, and the tl;dr is I think they're both great, neither is better than the other, it depends on the particular taste of the listener.

they do sound different, but in subtle ways. after eq they sound close but an experienced listener will be able to tell the strengths and weaknesses of both. so I will split this between bass, mids, and upper-mids/highs.

Q701:
BASS - a tad on the light side, but with just the right amount of body after a bit of eq boost. can be decently warm and full sounding, just like the hd600 bass. neither has that thicker, driving thump like the X2, but then that's not really expected. what sets the q701 bass apart from the hd600 bass is the impact is a bit tighter, it gives a more precise impression of "punch". this enhances things like bass drum hits. I listen to metal so for me the bass is better on the q701 because of that, but I could totally see it swinging the other way.

MIDS - highly competent but nothing amazing is how I would sum it up. it's still as good if not better than 90% of headphones that cost less and better than a good deal that cost more. articulate, detailed, even. but, well, sennheiser is a difficult opponent in this area. mids are the q701's weakest point vs the hd600 I would say.

UPPER MIDS AND HIGHS - here the q701 begins to shine again, enough to outshine the hd600 at times. extremely detailed, extremely clear and revealing. combined with the expansive soundstage, it totally delivers on those audiophile "airy highs" that some love so much. never fatiguing but can sound a bit cold, a bit of bass/lower mid boost compensates well though.

OTHER - very wide soundstage, beats the hd600 handily in this area. imaging about the same. comfort looses out to the hd600. it's not uncomfortable, but the fit isn't as natural. pads are a bit stiff, and headband can be a bit tight. might be bumps on an old model.

>>56405860
Not OP, how do they compare to HyperX Clouds ? Would it be an upgrade?

>Budget
$200 max
>Location
United States
>Source
Note 7 or desktop onboard audio (open to picking up a soundcard/DAC+amp)
>Preferred type of headphone
Full-sized over-ear
>Open or closed
Closed because office work
>Comfort level
As comfortable as possible, they will be on my head for 8-12 hours a day
>Preferred tonal balance
I listen to a lot of genres, so neutral would probably work best
>Past headphones
Koss PortaPros, MDR-V6s (current headphones; want to keep using but it's a bitch managing this cable plugged into a phone)

Does Sony still make the MDR-V6? I'm able to buy them new online and at Fry's, but they don't show up on Sony's site.

>>56410099
Hardly. The clouds are just Takstar Pro 80s' with a paint job and a mic. The hyper X's would be more comfortable as they have better pads.

In terms of sound signature, the m40x's ever so slightly more neutral, but I'd argue that the clouds are more detailed.

Even if it was an upgrade, it wouldn't be remotely enough of one to justify spending another 79 shekels. Take a bigger step if you are going to take one at all.

>>56410304
Nope, MDR-V6s have been out of production for a couple of years. Try eBay.

>>56410063
>>56410063
shit. something came up will post pt 2 in a couple hours.

>>56410310
Thank you for the answer.
Do you have any pair in particular that you would like to suggest?
I am looking for a sound that is more detailed and accurate ( so I guess more neutral ) than the HyperX Clouds.

>>56409242
stop misusing the word 'audiophile'

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>tfw spent $500 on a set of headphones/$740 with the dac and amp included
I mean, they did sound miles better than anything that I had ever heard previously

But I still feel like an autist for spending this much on audio equipment as a high school student a year ago

>>56409868

Yes, I meant that the HD598s would be optimal.

>>56410563
there's nothing wrong with it as long as you're not on welfare

>>56410560
I didn't.

>>56410791
yes you did, you fucking faggot

>>56410802
Do tell how. I'm one usually saying just that about the word audiophile and its usage here.

>>56410818
>Then we have a our share of dumb audiophiles
'dumb audiophile' is almost an oxymoron. i've been visiting this general for years and have yet to see someone who identifies as an audiophile, while also being aware of what the term means, say something dumb.
>whose only argument boils down to "you're poor" or "you haven't heard it"
audiophiles don't value subjective impressions over objective data. calling other people poor is not related to being an audiophile either.
>audiophile publication lingo
no such thing exists

>>56410998
Sounds to me like you don't know what audiophile means or how it is used.

>>56411038
it takes a certain amount of misuse to change the definition of a word. we haven't reached that point yet, but you sure as shit are pushing for it.

>>56411068
Why don't you just define it for our education? I'm not that anon, I just think you're being stupid.

>>56411068
Audiophile = stupid people getting boners for stupid audio technology that doesn't sound audibly better than playing an mp3 file on an iPhone with beats headphones

>>56411170
audiophile
[aw-dee-uh-fahyl]
noun
1.
a person who is especially interested in high-fidelity sound reproduction.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/audiophile

audiophile
noun au·dio·phile \ˈȯ-dē-ō-ˌfī(-ə)l\
Definition of audiophile
: a person who is enthusiastic about high-fidelity sound reproduction
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/audiophile

>>56410563
This is how this game works. The returns are minimal but satisfying. Chances are you overpaid for a meme dac though. On top of that, are those closed headphones actually better than hd600's?

I'd be very interested to try them but I doubt they're better besides the bass.

>>56411231
I have the HD600s, heard the Alpha dogs at a meet and I thought they sounded better in some ways. Hard to say since it's closed but they're insanely detailed and have better imaging.

>>56411194
How do these definitions relate to the idea of "dumb audiophile" being an oxymoron? Additionally, many audiophiles do value subjective impressions over objective data, essentially 90% of headfi is like that. Maybe you don't think they're audiophiles but there is no reason they're not by that definition.

>audiophile publications don't exist
http://www.laaudiofile.com/survey.html

>>56411294
Not him, but yes there are a number of audiophiles who are also hard subjectivists. I'd argue that most are some blend of objective/subjective. Probably very few of the folks you see on head-fi would have stupid shit like cable risers or brilliant pebbles or whatever.

>>56411294
>How do these definitions relate to the idea of "dumb audiophile" being an oxymoron?
because there's nothing dumb about wanting high-fidelity sound reproduction
>Additionally, many audiophiles do value subjective impressions over objective data, essentially 90% of headfi is like that.
90% of head-fi aren't audiophiles
>Maybe you don't think they're audiophiles
you're right
>but there is no reason they're not by that definition.
you either haven't spent enough time on head-fi or don't understand the definition. head-fiers show little interest in accurate sound reproduction.
>>audiophile publications don't exist
i said "audiophile publication lingo", not "audiophile publications"

>>56411254
Fair enough. I guess you just need to know when to stop I guess. Hd600's and a pair that have better detail and imaging?

Your'e done m8. In a good way. What dac do you own by the way?

>>56411433
>nothing dumb about wanting high-fidelity sound reproduction
This is not a factual statement, it's just your opinion poorly argued. For example, some of these audiophiles live beyond their means to satisfy their audio urges. I would argue this is dumb because they're driving themselves into debt for something that is not that important.

>90% of head-fi aren't audiophiles because they show little interest in accurate sound reproduction
A vague and unprovable claim. I have spent time on headfi, enough to know that the people there seem to care about fidelity and accuracy. Perhaps not all of them do, certainly some don't but it's silly to claim otherwise and provide no evidence to substantiate your claims.

>audiophile publication lingo
Lingo exists in virtually every sub-group, here is some: http://www.stereophile.com/reference/50/index.html

Much of that lingo relates to descriptions of sound that non-audiophiles do not understand clearly. Even amongst the sub-group these terms can be confusing, but that is the nature of lingo.

Honestly your entire argument seems to boil down to a true scotsman fallacy. Feel free to make an argument anytime.

>>56411736
>some of these audiophiles live beyond their means to satisfy their audio urges
Not the same poster but is that more a factor of "wanting high-fidelity" or an incapability to budget? Doesn't the same hold true for people who buy more than they can afford be it a smartphone or a house?

>>56398868
squeaks

>>56411736
>Lingo exists in virtually every sub-group
The proper lingo to describe sound exists in the physics and electrical engineering groups. Audiophile lingo seeks to create a code speak for these terms to use to sell their snake oil. The reason they can't use the electrical engineering terms directly is they have objective definitions and that would require their product to actually do something. Audiophile terms have no real definition so I can say my product's sound has all of these nice sounding adjectives without actually binding myself legally.

>>56411736
>This is not a factual statement, it's just your opinion poorly argued.
trained as well as untrained listeners prefer high fidelity audio. it's universally agreed on to be better when all biases have been removed.
just like you don't want your printer to shit out the wrong colors, you don't want your headphones or loudspeakers to reproduce the sound poorly.
>For example, some of these audiophiles live beyond their means to satisfy their audio urges.
stop making up imaginary "audiophiles" already
>A vague and unprovable claim.
just as vague and unproven as "many audiophiles do value subjective impressions over objective data" and "essentially 90% of headfi is like that"
>I have spent time on headfi, enough to know that the people there seem to care about fidelity and accuracy. Perhaps not all of them do, certainly some don't but it's silly to claim otherwise and provide no evidence to substantiate your claims.
the vast majority clearly don't. i could quote random posts made within the last 24 to prove it, but if you actually doubt it's true, it's because you still don't understand what an audiophile. it should be obvious that head-fi is not a place for audiophiles.
>Lingo exists in virtually every sub-group, here is some: http://www.stereophile.com/reference/50/index.html
>Much of that lingo relates to descriptions of sound that non-audiophiles do not understand clearly. Even amongst the sub-group these terms can be confusing, but that is the nature of lingo.
it's a list of buzzwords defined by other buzzwords. it's not an audiophile dictionary and it does not contain audiophile lingo.
>Honestly your entire argument seems to boil down to a true scotsman fallacy. Feel free to make an argument anytime.
i'm saying that X is not Y because X does not fit the definition of Y. not a true scotsman fallacy.

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>>56410611
>there's nothing wrong with it as long as you're not on welfare
:^)

Oh, and this ODAC is nifty too.

>>56412044
>trained as well as untrained listeners prefer high fidelity audio.
Not always so. Listeners in the '50s were known to prefer the "Mellow Tone" of the pre-HiFi era. It made fewer demands of the recording and reproducing equipment.

>>56412105
I wanted to like STAX but I found them recessed at 3k and trebly with too much upper bass.

>>56411588
>>56411254 wasn't me, however I'm using a modi 2

>trebly
I can listen to them all day, and that's what matters.

>>56398868
literally curry-tier

>>56400628
HD 598 SE or 558, you can find em for $100

>>56412352
what is curry tier

Should I but the 80 ohm or 250 ohm dt770?

>>56412942
Do you have an amplifier? If not, are you willing to invest in one?

>>56413029
I don't right now but yea, preferably something around like $100 or so maybe more if I need it.

>>56405561
Then what do you recommend in the price range?

>>56413276
>Volts RMS required to reach 90dB SPL: 0.153 Vrms
RARE YOUSURE U NED AN AMP M8
I DONT THINK YOUDO

>>56413093
If you're getting an amp, the 250 ohm version. Otherwise, the 80 ohm version.

>>56413333
Not very helpful. I rate 3/10.

>>56413333
/hpg/ in a nutshell

What's a good budget dac/amp? I currently have a pair of Sennheiser HD 518's that I love and I'm planning on upgrading to a pair of AKG 701's around the end of the year. Is the E10K going to be the best bang for my buck or is there anything cheaper but with similar quality?

>>56413370
Gotta love when i ask an actual question and get patronized for it.

>>56413401

E10K is like the minimum you should spend for something decent. Do it.

>>56413440
If you get more into audio stuff the objective 2 is another fairly good amp for the price.

>>56413333
but what if those volts want to interject for a moment?

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>>56412740
curry-tier = pajeet tier

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>>56404877

Well, I have the Lyr 2 and I'm liking it quite a lot. If you're set on tubes, I don't think there's a better choice on the market for something with plenty of headroom.

If you're not 100% on tubes, the new Jotunheim seems like a fantastic once-and-done piece of equipment for the price.

>>56413481
How would you describe the sound from it? And I am quite set on tubes the 700's are quite bright and i've read on numerous forums they need some warmth

>>56413474
what about it is curry tier

>>56410563
should I upgrade my mad dogs to alpha prime? I feel like it's worth it since they're one of my favorite headphones and I want to keep using them forever

>>56413511

Well I've tried it with both the AKG's and the Fostex.

Honestly, I think at this level the differences in headphones are going to largely exceed the differences in amps. I did do some brief A/B testing between the Lyr 2 and a Magni 2. The sound was mildly "different", but I wouldn't be qualified to describe it accurately.

It has to be, in a mild just barely noticeable way, what everyone refers to as "the tube sound". It adds a little touch of warmth, seems to some how take the "edge" off certain sounds. I will say this, it sounds GOOD. It has plenty of power to drive anything I've used with it. Comfortable listening with the Fostex is between 9 and 2 o'clock on low gain mode. 7-12 on high gain.

It also get's HOT. The whole chassis radiates heat and the machined knob gets warm, but there's a ton of statements from Schiit that it's perfectly normal.

I have the LISST tubes as well, but I haven't tried them yet.

>>56413750
Ahh nice. My next headphones are going to be the LCD2's and i've heard they can be powered quite well by the LYR pretty well so I may go with it just for convenience.

>>56413787

That's exactly why I got it, I'm leaning towards getting a pair of LCD-2/3 down the road some time.

That's why the new balanced Jotunheim seems very appealing. It is supposed to be very neutral, though.

>>56413621

Are the Alpha Pads worth it? Considering getting a pair of them for my T50RP's. The things people say about them would leave you to believe they're the best upgrade you can buy for any headphone that they'll fit.

>>56413750
Differences in transducers are always going to exceed differences in amplifiers at any pricepoint.

>>56413829
My dream amp is definitely one of the higher end wooaudio amps but those are expensive as all hell

>>56413855
WA amps are awful.

>>56413750
What you're referring to is distortion. Your amp distorts the audio signal. That's why it sounds fuzzy.

>>56413892
Harmonic distortion does not sound 'fuzzy' you clown.

>>56413853

I'll agree with this.

>>56413855

Tubes are always going to be the weak point of any amplifier design that includes them, but I do like hybrid designs like the Schiit offerings and the WA7. They'll just never look as good on paper as comparably priced pure SS amps.

>>56413892

It does not, in any way whatsoever, sound "fuzzy".

>>56414035
WA7 was the one i was looking at, heard good things about them and it's just a bonus that I really like how they look.

>>56414098

Well the WA7 includes a DAC, so it works out to about the same price as a Lyr 2 + Bifrost, which is what I'll probably end up with.

>>56414128
If i get the solid state powersupply that's true, what is the difference between the ss power supply and vacuum tube power supply?

Why are 20+ years old heapdhones like the HD 25 and the MDR v-6 still relevant today?
What kind of technology headphones run on where 20 or more years doesn't automatically means absolute obsolesce?

>>56398893
>tfw once had near daily mixed states
I remember those feels. Very curious form of consciousness.

>>56403075
Using these as my daily driver. I work in a pretty loud office environment and with these they are amazing for tuning out everything. In order for coworkers to get my attention they need to resort to physical means.

Sound quality ain't superb especially for the price range but the signature is pretty warm, think standard consumer range. You aren't getting studio quality but if you're just listening to like Spotify or internet radio, the difference is marginal.

My previous cans were Sennheiser HD598's and the sound on those were much better.

>>56414370
Transducers haven't changed much.
Despite advances in material sciences most modern devices are inferior to their older counterparts. It's all about cost cutting, and the drive to make something properly has not carried over.

Computing and automotive technology are the only real exceptions. The former has rapidly improved, the latter has remained stagnant and collected all manner of new fangled trinkets and doodads while being artificially inflated well beyond its actual value.

>>56401787
>He should stick to engineering
Some of those claims are mathematical nonsense.

>Closed-Form Digital Filter Preserves Original Samples
Closed form means no numerical or statistical optimization techniques are used in its design(equal ripple, least square), no infinite series. This isn't a problem, just establishing the definition and how the filter is claimed to have been created.

The actual problem part is being able to preserve the samples. The sampling theorem tells us that our exact replica of frequencies below Nyquist rate (fs/2) can be created by reconstructing the waveform from our points by using a Sinc (sine (x) / x) function. The Sinc has several properties:
>The frequency representation, the Fourier transform, of sinc(time) is the rectangular function. It has a perfect constant magnitude response and phase below fs/2, at which point it abruptly cuts off.
>The system with a sinc response has to know the future inputs infinitely far ahead of time and requires infinite time to settle for an exact sinc function.
We can't build something that requires knowledge of future inputs, so we can't have something that perfectly samples, even before considering bit depth limitations. This mean that during the decimation filter stage, you HAVE TO alter the original samples. We can approximate the sinc decently by building a laggy and complicated linear phase FIR filter, but it is just an approximation. The Yggdrasil does something like this.

>This is combined with a frequency domain optimization which does not otherwise affect the phase optimization
Why do people keep saying that phase is not part of the frequency? The frequency domain charts are of a complex signal, and the usual charts only plot the modulus, the length of the hypotenuse if you will. The angle between the real and imaginary parts of modulus, cosine and sine, define the phase shift.
The data is there, you just need to be able to appreciate that we are dealing with complex numbers.

Hey guys, anyone here use Marley headphones?

I have 3 pairs and its all Ive used for the past 3? years. Anyway I recently bought their Rebel BTs and first tried them with the wired connection. They really didnt sound as good as the pair I mainly used (3 year old soul rebels, which IMO sound amazing for what I listen to and for the price). I was pretty dissapointed with them. Then I decided to try what theyre supposedly made for, the bluetooth. I started spotify on my iphone and...

They sound pretty damn good wireless. I havent had a bluetooth headset before but Im wondering, how can a headphone sound way better wireless than a direct wire? Is it just because theyre made for wireless and the wired hardware they used just isnt good quality, resulting in it not sounding as good as the cheaper 3 yr old model I have? Thanks for your insight.

>>56414728
I think you'd be better off asking Mike to clarify on the math used in his filter.

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>>56410063
>>56410063
CONTINUED

HD600:

BASS - good body, good impact, capable of a nice full, warm sound after a boost. overall warmer than the q701 because the impact feels broader and overall it's a tad looser than the q701. so it does "warm" bass a bit better if that makes sense. some people might like their bass more rich and smooth vs punchy and if so the hd600 is where it's at. personally my tastes make me want the hd600 bass more in acoustic music than isn't as percussive, think lower-register strings, organ, etc. in this area it's a big improvement over the 598, even if it's a tad less tight.

MIDS - it's a top-end sennheiser, what more can be said? the mids are the best mids of any headphone I have heard. silky smooth, but with such a forward sense of detail. it does vocals like no other, especially female vocals. if you listen to music with a lot of up-front content in the mids, like vocal stuff, many kinds of rock, jazz, that might be a reason alone to choose the hd600. it beats the Q701 for mids, but then it beats almost everything for mids.

UPPER MIDS AND HIGHS:
this is where I feel the hd600 is the weakest, though it entirely depends on your preference. the hd600 is laid back, some call it veiled and I would agree to an extent. upper mids and treble is well extended but it also sounds smoothed over some times. the detail and airiness of the highs in other headphones is muted. it makes the hd600 forgiving while still being "audiophile" level. if you listen to poor recordings this could be another reason to choose hd600. personally I think it sounds off with certain "agressive" music.

MISC - it's more comfortable than the q701 but not by a huge amount. people say it clamps but mine is worn in so maybe it's that, but I don't get clamp.

I pretty much apply a mild bass boost to both, leave the mids flat, and then raise the upper mids on the hd600 and lower them a tad on the Q701. sorry for the placebo, hope this helps

>>56414917
Gonna have to disagree on the HD600 being laid back. It's borderline bright if anything, hence why Sennheiser created the HD650.

Q701 is warmer than the HD600 but only with an ideal seal, it's also recessed at 4kHz, too loud at 2kHz and 7kHz.

If you want airy highs with acceptable accuracy, DT880 is a good choice. If you want a more balanced sound HD600 it is. If you want a bit of a warm signature then HD650.

Q701 confuses me on its sound signature, I despise Headfonia but I think their review of the K701 is spot on, the sound is confusing.

One side of my QC15s just stopped working. It's AUD$185 to be repaired so i'm wondering whether it's worthwhile doing that or just buying a new pair for around the same price.

My thinking is that I'll be able to get a pair that sound better due to not having noise cancellation. I'll be using them on my PC at home, but not sure whether I want open or closed. I listen to a variety of music, mostly rock and electronic, and will be using them for gaming.

I'm leaning towards either the Sennheiser HD 558 or the Audio-Technica ATH-A900X, but I'm open to suggestions. Thanks!

>>56415339
HD558 is really balanced sound wise but sounds bad on some sources due to its variable impedance.

I'd recommend SHP9500 instead.

>>56414917
>>56410063
Thanks, the write-up is a big help.
Most of my headphone use is for drone, industrial and ambient music where I can just relax and fall into something, so It sounds like the HD600 is a better fit here.

I also see a lot of people praising the soundstage on the K7s, just how much of a difference is there between the two headphones in this regard? My other major use is probably acoustic and classical music, where a wide sound can sometimes make a good difference. At the moment I'm using AD700s which are supposed to be very wide.

>>56415462
Thanks for the advice, i'll check it out.

>>56415597
Not him but I think HD600 is perceived as having a small sound stage because of its accurate frequency response. It makes things appear to be nearer as opposed to other headphones like K/Q701/2, DT880 and HD800.

If I mess with EQ settings and reduce the upper mid area on the HD600 it sounds more distant at the expense of clarity.

>>56414859
I wasn't done with the problems of the sales pitch, but maybe you are.

I'm not very interested in more filter particulars (linear phase, 9000 sample delay/18000 taps, 8x oversampling, 0.968 Nyquist rate corner frequency). It seems to perform good enough, but the claims are nonsense.


>>56402306
It's not just an R-2R, it would have different performance if it were and not quite for the better. It's a segmented DAC, with a large string section to represent the largest bits on top of the R-2R. All of Schiit's other "multibit" converters are built like this as well, but with fewer resistors involved than in the Yggdrasil.

>DAC design
Ultimately, you are limited by the converter. Meticulous attention to clocking, PLL, and power supply won't extract better than Redbook audio out of an old TDA1541.
There are plenty of ways to build a converter, and the difference in design do mean there are certain inherent features of the design and physics involved. The physics doesn't always work in favor of the design that you want, and manufacturing precision can get in the way of practical implementation. That's workable, we can pick the design that has tolerable trade offs for the features we want.

As it turns out, the simpler binary resistor converters are exceedingly expensive when we try to go beyond 16 bits, the number of resistors involved, the absurd precision and tolerances required, or both. There are other practical problems that require careful management with using more and more resistors, glitching, non-monotonic output, linearity error.
Delta-sigma has its own issues, limited bandwidth, latency, limit cycles, idle tones, mathematical complexity. The manufacturing requirements are definitely easier, which brings down cost. For audio use, a careful design can do as well or better than the old R-2R, if you don't mind the latency. We don't, and R-2R normally gets positioned for applications with MHz signals instead of audio.

>>56415962
Wasn't the person you were replying to originally. Just saiyan it'd probably be better to hear what was done in the yggy from the horses mouth.

Did Anon of Indonesia die?

>>56404798
MDR-100ABN? How's the sound? Got the MDR-1000X on preorder, which should be fairly similar.

>>56416100
Hopefully

>>56415653
I do think so. Headphones with V-shaped sound response (DT 880, ATH-M40x) feel to have a wider soundstage. I think it's correlated.

>>56414821
Expectation bias.

>>56410232
xpt-100

>>56410368
get a 558/598 or a k612

>>56413849
yes, they're amazing. but they're still leather, so if you're the kind of person who has problems with pads that don't breather then I would not get them. they keep your ears very comfy but also confined. good for isolation but for very hot and humid environments I would not.

you can try things like v-moda XL and brainwaz hybrid or angled which are huge and cheaper.

>>56414370
the hd600 which is considered by many to be the best headphone that isn't kilobuck is basically the same as the hd580 which came out like 20 years ago. portapro and v6 are even older. old estats are still considered top-tier. headphones aren't like other tech, new stuff doesn't automatically make a headphone better, it has to be implemented in the design in a perfect way to be "better" than the best that has been established. there is also value to consider. the v6 still sounds amazing and it's $60-80.

>>56415027
it's not the quantity of the highs that makes it laid back, more the mids and the veil. the 650 is terrible, mud and veil central imo. I would listen to a great many headphones like the 598 before the 650. dt880 is ear-rape with it's treble peak, it doesn't belong in the same league as the AKG and hd600 imo.

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Anyone have this?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00J2PJQ0O/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

How are you liking it?

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>>56416149

how good are these compared to other in this price range. I listened to it and it was a lot better than my friend's m50x. It doesn't need an amp either which is huge plus for me. Any other in this price range which are better than this.

>>56416205
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-MDR-100AAP-Resolution-Overhead-Headphones-Black/dp/B014R2VSUM

>tfw I am starting to think I can hear a difference between WAV and FLAC
autism is contagious

I own ath meme50xs but I also want better computer speakers or speakers I can use on my computer.

My buddy told me cr3 mackies were pretty good and cheap at only $80 a pair on sale often.

Is there any other speakers that would be better than this at the $100 price range? I could not find a thread for speakers on this or /mu/.

Are Headsets w/ mics attached overrated? I just want a relatively inexpensive one to play vidya with friends and discord chat.

>>56416498
that's not autism that's genuine retardation. how you manage to distinguish the difference between two things that are completely identical is beyond me

>>56416545
This is what i was recommended last time I asked and someone mentioned built-in mic which utterly confused me
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007SP2CO2/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

>>56416573
>completely identical
yes because there isn't a documented difference between PCM encoded audio and FLAC

you're embarrassing yourself on an anonymous Vietnamese headphone internet messageboard

>>56416637
what do you think 'lossless' means?

when the FLAC is decompressed for audio playback it is identical to the original uncompressed PCM source. bit for bit.

>>56399582
that mouse is rad yo

i had it for just under a year until it had the double click issue. an absolute monster of a mouse.

exchanged it for a G600.

>>56416148
>it's not the quantity of the highs that makes it laid back, more the mids and the veil.

What mids? Lower midrange? HD600 has less lower midrange than Q701 (sealed properly).

>the 650 is terrible, mud and veil central imo. I would listen to a great many headphones like the 598 before the 650.

HD650 and HD600 are really close, I can't see how someone can enjoy one and dislike the other; the HD650 is weaker in the upper midrange and treble when compared to the HD600, people also perceive this as having more bass which is correct as FR is a balance after all.

Interestingly enough, I dislike the HD598 for its impedance peak and I think it has a bit too much lower midrange which makes it sound a bit veiled. That said they are still very good headphones. HD600 and HD650 have more in common as opposed to the HD598.

>dt880 is ear-rape with it's treble peak, it doesn't belong in the same league as the AKG and hd600 imo.

I can say the same about the Q701. It has a treble peak.

DT880 sounds more natural in my opinion. The bass is fairly flat, upper midrange is recessed but still even in response as opposed to the AKGs, treble is elevated which gives it an airy tone with a bit of sibilance, but not ear-rape levels.

>>56416637
FLAC is PCM audio you tit.

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>>56415597
>drone, industrial and ambient music
if I were you my biggest concern would be bass/lower mids. in that regard you're right, the hd600 fits drone better, industrial maybe less so. ambient can be all kinds of things so hard to say.

but if I were to throw on some drone, or sludge, or doom, or something like that, I would probably reach for my X2s. for industrial I only have industrial metal experience, but those steel mill slams seem like they would sound better on the Q701.

>>56416531
Would love some input

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>>56416705
the reason I dislike the 650 over the 600 is it takes the weakest point of the 600 which is the upper mids into the highs, and lowers them even more. the added bass isn't far back enough, and contributes to the veil as well. on the 600 the veil is not that noticeable, on the 650 it's very noticeable to me. and I'm not someone that likes bright headphones, I like warm, v-shaped, and dark headphones generally. but there is something about the bass lift, the arching mids, and then the highs that makes the 650 sound more muffled than outright warm headphones like the hp50 and mad dog. maybe it's just my ears/preferences.

>>56416100
he probably got some kind of asian swamp disease and couldn't sell his placebo gear fast enough to cover medical.

>>56416226
>>56416205
sony just came out with a successor. kind of a special use headphone but people saying it's better than bose qc which is quite a claim.

>>56416531
mackies are ok for cheapos that have thumping bass without needing a sub. if you like meme50 you will like those.

>>56416577
>>56416573
just get the hyperx cloud, it's good. you could plug in a boompro to those but otherwise they're bad headphones.

>>56416699
>tfw not g9x successor
cm spawn is pretty good for those of us that claw/fingertip though

>>56417079
https://www.amazon.com/V-MODA-BoomPro-Gaming-Headset-Headphone/dp/B00BJ17WKK/
This thing right here?

Hello, /hpg/. What bluetooth headphone would you recommend, preferably a full sized one and no active cancelation nonsense

>>56417104
yes, but only headphones with single-entry 3.5mm cable systems can use those (or ones that can use adapters). the hyperx cloud is based on a known good headphone, the pro80, and it comes with a mic. the 8323 you linked before can take the boompro, but it's not a very good headphone, so can the shp9500 but it has it's own problems. so unless you want to use a 598 with an adapter or step up to the X2 I would just get a cloud.

What closed headphone should I get if I like etymotic/hd600 sound sig?

No budget.

>Budget
$200-400CAD
>Location
CANADA
>Source
Desktop, eventually a FiiO - E10K Olympus USB DAC and Headphone Amplifier
>Preferred type of headphone
Full-sized
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
These will be worn ~5-7 hours a day, so comfort is high on the priority list.
>Preferred tonal balance
Listen to a variety of sources, so neutral?
>Past headphones
Sennheiser Momentum and Razer Blackshark (preferred the Sennheiser between the two)

>>56414728
>>56415962
Very interesting posts anon.

>>56410998
>>56411194
I think that goes directly against what you are talking about. The definition of the word doesn't mean anything more than a person enthusiastic about audio. It doesn't have a negative tone, it doesn't imply or define anything else. I'd identify as an audiophile given how much interest I have taken for things related to audio and I'm sure many others here would too.

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Tell me a story bedtime, /g/

What do tri/quad driver in ear monitors sound like? I don't think I'll ever be able to justify actually buying them.

>>56417280
Shit.

>>56417280
Mostly meh. The amount of drivers really isn't important.

>>56417315
>>56417290
I kind of figured the top end of them would just be approaching a decent pair of headphones.

>>56417334
They aren't tuned for accuracy. It's like a different flavor of sound.

>>56417350
I thought it was supposed to be accurate. Everything in my single/double monitors sounds so dry/flat.

>>56398708
>Budget
£125~ (flexible)
>Location
UK
>Source
iPhone
>Preferred type of headphone
IEM
>Comfort level
MAX
>Preferred tonal balance
Nuetral
>Past headphones
HD600s
Apple Earpods

In-line mic which works with IOS is a plus

>>56417251
I'm in a similar boat, and waiting for reviews of sennheiserr hd569

>>56417217
Okay so this would probably fit more
https://www.amazon.com/HyperX-Cloud-Gaming-Headset-KHX-HSCD-BK/dp/B01AMWBICO

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Anyone have any experience with this product?

>https://www.amazon.com/Focusrite-Scarlett-Audio-Interface-Tools/dp/B01E6T56CM/ref=sr_1_1?s=musical-instruments&ie=UTF8&qid=1472771807&sr=1-1&keywords=Focusrite

I'm getting it to improve the quality of my recordings, but you can also use it as a DAC for your headphones. I'm wondering if the DAC portion is any good.

>>56417334
>would just be approaching a decent pair of headphones.
To be honest the best sounding headphones are in-ears imo and not the multi-driver monstrosities.

>>56417474
no, you want these

https://www.amazon.com/Kingston-HyperX-Cloud-Gaming-Headset/dp/B0153XL4V2/ref=pd_sim_sbs_147_5?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=BZ92PBJS4S70GB3FT5G6

pay attention to the design, particularly the metal yokes. anything that has that design is a pro80, so buy the cheapest one. the one you linked is a bait-and-switch based on the cloud name, but it's based on a worse headphone.

>>56417548
the only reason I have in ears is for isolation when playing in my band. The doubles definately sound better than the singles. I always wondered what a nice pair of quads sounded like.

>>56417547
It's very good, the DAC is flawless.

>>56417547
scarlett seems to be the standard for reasonable usb interfaces. I have an 18i20 with an octopre. Happy with them. A little buttmad that I can't do 16 lines at 96khz, even though I know it doesn't matter.

Amps and dacs are expensive.

>>56417629
At least I can't afford drugs.

>>56399582
thx00 is $400 on massdrop, just takes patience.

>>56417547
DAC seems fine, the headphone amplifier is weak though

>>56417547
good enough to be transparent which is all that matters. amp isn't that powerful by magni and such standards but it's more than enough even for hungrier headphones like k702, hd600, etc. go for it if you're actually going to record with it.

>>56417548
IEMs will always have the downside that they only interact sonically with the ear canal, not the entire ear. so full sized headphones will always have a more natural sound. I like IEMs but I only use them for isolation and portable use. another problem with IEMs is they should be using different compensation curves which are still very up in the air. its also difficult to get a good response with conventional designs. dynamics have problems with even response. singe BA have problems with bass, impact, and extension generally. multi BA have a problem with coherency because of the complex crossovers that can get out of hand, and time-phase getting out of sync, so you get sound from one BA before the other. designers of the highest-end IEMs have for quite a while been in a more BAs = better arms race with overall poor results. kilobuck IEMs are one of the worst value sound reproduction devices you can buy IMO.

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>>56417629
not really. smsl m3 and e10k are both <$100. if you want just a dac a transparent sabre dac is like $25. and honestly most people can't tell the difference between decent onboard and a better dac/amp, on non-hungry headphones anyways which is most of them.

>>56417597
There really isn't a different like that. It's all visible in the response already and single driver, multi-driver, dynamic/BA-driver in ears are all over the place in terms of that.

>>56417670
>only interact sonically with the ear canal, not the entire ear. so full sized headphones will always have a more natural sound
I don't think that's strictly true. It depends on what you are listening to. Binaural content for example is imo superior for in-ears because it already has the outer ear reflections and likely head+torso response cooked in. I don't think any content with headphones sounds truly natural even if their response interacts a bit with the ear. Maybe it's just the lack of that ear interaction and the isolation that makes me prefer in-ears over headphones. They manage to sound very "clean" for the lack of a better word.

>>56417411
HF3.

>>56417728
>Comfort - Max
>Ety ear dildos
Pick one.

>>56417411
MA750 leans a bit more v-shaped as compared to Ety HF3/5's bright.

>>56417754
Are you literally deaf? MA750 has more treble than HF3/5.

>>56417773
Do you understand what "v-shaped" and "bright" means? They're referring to the entire FR spectrum not just the top end.

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>>56417601
>>56417626
>>56417654
>>56417670

Thanks for the feedback m8s

>>56417797
Let's do this again, MA750 is brighter than HF3/5. The HF3/5 has recessed treble. The MA750 was too bright when I tried them. HUGE treble peak at 5-7kHz.

my 668b's arrived and my ears haven't been raped from the treble nor has my head been squished

pretty amazed that they were only 60 bucks

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>>56417836
>MA750 is brighter than HF3/5
Really now? Doesn't seem GE has measured the MA750 so I'll have to grab the measurements from IF but let's compare them. With the HF3

>>56417850
>my ears haven't been raped from the treble
You will probably like the Beyer house sound then.

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>>56417836
With the MA750

Seem to me that the MA750 rolls off and spikes at about the same points. The MA750 has better sub-bass which makes it less bright than the HF3.

New thread:
>>56417912
>>56417912
>>56417912

How the fuck is the Elear WoF with that 15db dip

>>56417850
That just means your treble hearing sucks, lucky you.

>>56417918
Because based Tyll is a nigger in disguise.

>>56410563
meh I prefer the Zmf headphones (Omni, Blackwood, vibro mk2)

>>56413481
tubes add distortion to the sound it's SHIT

>>56413621
yes, you need to upgrade because the 50rp cups are horrible.

i higly recommend wood for cups, it's used everywhere in music instruments, there is a reason

do not go for cheap printed plastic cups, the acoustic of it suck

>>56417918
Because the entire WOF is just a list of opinions.

>>56415339
dude fuck, just open them up and resolder whatever broke

99% of the time a solder ball will just be shitty and the wire would have detached.

you then have two working pairs if youre still gonna get new cans