Arch is the same fucking thing as Ubuntu, just intentionally

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>>56306989
>apt

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>Use Debian Stable for years
>Switch to Arch GNU/Linux
>Fonts are god awful
>gpg errors all over the place when adding infiinality, the work around? ls -a; took me 4 hrs to find.
>systemMeme complains about muh .service files
>Switch to Kubuntu
>Enjoyable experiance
>better than GNOME on debian stable

> F I L E P I C K E R

>Not using yum

That fucking image captures perfectly how I imagine Arch Linux users look like compared to everyone else based on how they act.

>>56306989
Portage patricians are laughing at your arguments.

> debates points that are common knowledge
> is OP

op couldn't figure out how to net-install gentoo

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>>56307163
>portage
>uh uh just specify pepe/memeutils because we're not smart enough to figure out what catagory applications are supposed to be

>>56307006
/thread
>>56307127
>All that PEBKAC
Stick with Ubuntu little guy, you might hurt yourself otherwise.

>>56306989
Arch and Gentoo users probably have a small heartattack when they update their systems because they know something can fuck up and trash the whole installation.

>2016
>Not using zypper

>>56307214
>because they know something can fuck up and trash the whole installation.
That's lies.

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>>56307191
Name a more stable package manager. If enjoying stability in my system is had, a baby i am.

Did you just glorify the fact that your shit breaks and mine dosen't? Really? I value stability more than speed. You only need to update & upgrade so often.

>>56307241
Portage hasn't broken a single time for me and is a fuckload faster than apt.

>>56307214
When you get gud, you can fix things fairly easily. You're simply biasing your opinions based on the installation process. Just put the memes aside and learn, it all gets easier.

>>56307241
RPM

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>>56306989
>People don't use a Debian or decent redhat based OS as their linux desktop

>>56307241
>Name a more stable package manager.
Most any package manager is better than apt. Your stability only comes from using old /tested packages. Believe it or not, Arch and Gentoo are pretty fucking stable. Especially if you know what you're doing.

>>56307214
I barely ever read what I'm updating and it's only ever broken once in over a year and that was because nvidia are faggots

>>56306989
Hello BMI of 39

>>56307353
>Believe it or not, Arch and Gentoo are pretty fucking stable
this

>>56306989
you're a retard, this is going in my cringe folder.

have fun solving your ubuntu problems with the archwiki

Having used both, I can't say one is definitely good and one is definitely bad.
I have had packages break on Ubuntu as well as arch, but it has always been easier to fix on arch it does happen more often on arch though.
I have written packages for both, arch is easier but Ubuntu is better.
From a user perspective then pacman is much better and much easier to use.
I haven't found anything good about dpkg, but I am sure there is a technical reason why it is used.
I have also used an arch spin, and it was great at first. But arch spins are a meme, everything is more work. You constantly rewrite aur packages just to compile stuff and you have a much smaller population to ask for help when stuff breaks.
Ubuntu derivatives are much closer to being the same thing as Ubuntu.

>>56307268
>Faster
>Not counting compile time

>>56307567
>ubuntu
>problems
keep projecting archcuck

>>56307630
come back after you've used the os for more than two months

Let me know when Brokebuntu just fucking works with updated everything without having to break the goddamn thing with 3rd party updates that you have to disable when you upgrade or it breaks your fucking system.

>debian
>i like choosing between ancient packages, old packages that break and stay broken for a long time, or slightly less old packages that break all the fucking time

>>56307667
>>debian
>>i like choosing between ancient packages, old packages that break and stay broken for a long time, or slightly less old packages that break all the fucking time
You forgot to mention autistic defaults for many packages.

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>>56307006
>>56307163
>>56307172
>>56307191
>>56307268
>>56307287
>>56307353
>>56307459
>>56307481
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>>56307567
>>56307655
>>56307667
>"you don't like driving a car, you're just too stupid for a horse xD"

Does Arch actually cause insecurity or does it merely attract those already suffering?

delet this thread

Apt is objectively the worst package manager.

>not using yum/dnf

>>56306989
I don't see what the big deal is. I'm using arch linux right now and it's fine.

>>56306989
>ubuntu minimal
>minimal

Enjoy debugging polkit and systemd-sysvinit-compat for six hours senpai

>>56307774
It is terrible.
>here let me install all these packages
>urmmmmmmmmm
>okay now let me configure all these packages separately because i'm too dumb to configure them as i go
Intelligently doing post-install activities all at once that are needed after everything is installed is better than moronically going through and doing it one by one.

Apt is garbage.

>>56307726
(You)

>>56307570
When you use apt, it calls dpkg to actually install
the package. Apt is a frontend for dpkg that takes
care of downloading from repos, dependency
resolution, etc.

>>56307570
>nuanced opinion
>>>/out/

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If it's shitty and difficult to maintain, I'M better than you! :DDD

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>>56306989
>Portage

>>56308292
I don't her the reference in your picture

>>56308433
The guy watching is a cuckold. The woman is being fucked by a black man.

>>56308447
Oh, cool. That makes sense.

>just intentionally less usable
Less usable? It's actually more usable.
>same fucking packages
Not really. Ubuntu doesn't have a package for e.g. pycharm, AUR has. When you can't find something in ubuntu's repos, you have to look for a ppa, or install in an unclean way.

Seriously, arch has flaws, but Ubuntu is garbage compared to it.

Source: Using Arch on my machines, Ubuntu on work machines.

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Feels so good being on Windows and not having to worry about retarded apt or the shitter AUR.

>>56308496
Enjoy taking that NSA cock deep up the ass.

>>56307214
>make a snapshot
>ugprade
>something is wrong
>restore snapshot
>carry on with my life

>>56308496
>Feels good not knowing the difference between a repository and a package manager because my garbage OS doesn't have a proper instance of either

>>56308631
LVM? ZFS? BTRFS? Other?

>>56307570
>I haven't found anything good about dpkg, but I am sure there is a technical reason why it is used.
It's used, because first there was dpkg, then apt (and then aptitude). Instead of developing a new system from scratch, Debian monkeys decided to write a new package manager on top of existing one.

>>56308655
BTRFS.
I've considered LVM, but snapshots in LVM have weird limitations (have to reserve space for them, have to know ahead of time what amount of changes to store and risk corruption.

Just started using linux. Kubuntu on my laptop, antergos on my desktop.
I like the AUR, though. Ubuntu doesnt have a yumenikki package, or bomi(not for xenial at least).
Synaptic is hella nice though, way better than pamac and I dont know how to CLI pacman/yaourt other than 'pacman -Syu'

Fedora is good.

>>56308292
hahaha

>>56307163
This.

Whole system compiled with -march=native, nothing superfluous. Feels good.

>>56308025
>The everything that disagrees with my views is a meme meme

>>56308496
>Feels so good being homeless and not having to worry about retarded houses or the shittier apartments.

>>56307147
>not using dnf

how do i install apt on arch?

>>56308982
pacman -Syu inferior-"packet-manager"

>>56308982
yaourt -S apt

>>56308995
how do i install ubuntu on arch?

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>>56308483
>Not really. Ubuntu doesn't have a package for e.g. pycharm, AUR has. When you can't find something in ubuntu's repos, you have to look for a ppa, or install in an unclean way.

You're a faggot.
The AUR isn't arch's main repository. The AUR is to Arch as to what PPAs are to Ubuntu, they both offer a way for community repositories to be usable. Both distros lack pycharm (or any other intelliJ ide for that matter) in their main repositories because jetbrains doesn't distribute their shit there.
The AUR package is a community contribution, as is the PPA available for ubuntu.

why use something much more complicated with little real benefit when there are easy and reliable options out there? makes no sense, especially if the person isn't a tech buff.

>>56309033
No it isn't.
A ppa is another repository for software which can be out of date or have other problems which is why the Debian wiki dis encourages using ppa's if you want to keep it stable. The AUR is more of a BSD like ports system since it contains source code and pkgbuilds which are used to compile the software for your system.

>>56309033
>The AUR is to Arch as to what PPAs are to Ubuntu
Not really.
PPA are just user repositories, and Arch has such a thing. They are added in /etc/apt in ubuntu and /etc/pacman.conf in Arch.
AUR is a completely separate repository of build scripts, instead of packages. Ubuntu has no equivalent of such.

In either case, AUR has all the packages in one database you can search and this can be done via tools called AUR helpers (like yaourt), making the process look the same as for regular packages. Ubuntu has no equivalent to such tool.

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>>56306989
The only good package manager is GNU Guix, APT is retarded and leaves a shit ton of unneccesary bloat because why not, Pacman is fucking worse, made by basement dweller autists for basement dweller autists, breaks shit all the time and is
>Arch
yeah no fuck off with that cancer, literally the worst OS in the planet is Arch, I would choose Windows 10 over Arch fucking anyday. I don't even use a package manager, I mostly compile my packages because debian's APT loves to leave gigabytes of bloat along with my one package that I want while compiling lets me have that and one dependency amd it works perfectly

>>56309004
pacman -Syu spyware

>>56308719
One of the hackers' rules is that code should never be written twice.

>>56309114
Your argument makes no sense.
AUR repositories can be just as much out of date as PPAs can be. PPAs can also contain source code and pkgbuilds, and in fact can contain both ready compiled packages AND source packages.
Technical details of their inner workings don't change that both systems serve the same goal. Both are systems that allow easy community contribution. And if you're this fucking lewd for compiling everything from source, just fucking use Gentoo.

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Try Fedora. Real men use Fedora.

>>56307841
I'm using Ubuntu 14 04, today I found systemd stuff in logs. I'm pretty sure just a few months ago upstart was my init system. Does Ubuntu mix the two?!

>>56309339
Ubuntu uses systemd, and doesn't officially support any other init systems. I'm not even sure if you could install something else at all.

>>56306989
How do you install, say, ffmpeg?
I was going to install zsh highlighting on my debian box but decided it wasn't worth switching to unstable for.
Oh, and the greatest difference would be illustrated by nodejs's install page.
>pacman -S nodejs npm
vs
>curl -sL https://deb.nodesource.com/setup_4.x | sudo -E bash -
>sudo apt-get install -y nodejs
That's how you use apt, you use bash scripts from the internet.

>>56309295
I don't use out of date software outside of sandboxes with compatible libs. If you care about having pro's an your system you should avoid using software that has cons for your purposes. I use lot's of distro's and FreeBSD for different use cases. You should try it instead of sticking to one thing and not seeing pros and cons of the software you are using.

And my point in the last post was that there are technical differences between repos and ports like systems.

>>56308292
make woman anime

>>56309148
Bbbut you can seriously diminish the amount of garbage apt installs along... -no-recommends or something. Did you try it?

And why don't you switch to gentoo if you compile everything anyway?

>>56306989
>PuppyLinux on some 30 year old machine
Uses APT too, you can't go wrong!

>>56309148
Actually why don't we have RMS toys? He pretty comfy mascot 2bh

>>56309414
Its true for Ubuntu 15 onwards, but mine is 14 04and is supposed to use their own init system based off sysvinit - upstart.

>>56307567
>Not using the Gentoo handbook

>>56307567
Never failed me.
t. Ubuntu user

>>56309511
Sussman action figure when?

>>56306989
When I tried Arch, I found that it had a better selection of packages in their official respirators compared to Ubuntu's and they're up to date. Many of the packages in Ubuntu's official repositories haven't been updated in years or only updated for the next release. It's nice to not have to hunt for PPAs to find newer software.

Also I found that Arch binaries from their official repositories install faster compared to Debs from launchpad.

>>56309646
>respirators

>>56309675
>not using official ventilators for your packages
>~2017

>>56309675
>>56309778
>not even a gasmask

>>56309802
>not just using a CPAP

>>56306989
except ubuntu shits the bed after max a week and sometimes even on a fresh install, while arch has never once broken on me despite sometimes outright messing with it. also apt is shit, pacman and rolling release is way better

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>>56309459
I had time to do this because my distro isn't perpetually broken

>>56309884
Been using Ubuntu for a year now, no serious problems

>>56309927
>
ubuntu confirmed black

>>56307006
>the package manager muh sekrit klub uses is better than your easy-to-use package manager!

>>56307147
>>56307774
>>56308965
everything related to RPM sucks

>>56307163
>>56308901
https://fun.irq.dk/funroll-loops.org/

>Ubuntu.
I still don't get why ubuntu/debian fucktard don't ship a single program to manage deb. Really apt for installing and apt-cache for searching a fucking package.
And if some package fuck up something good help you to fix your so.

>>56307127
>switch to Kubuntu
>tooltips popping up over everything you hover over
>bouncing launcher feedback balls
>Plasma applications crash constantly
>KDE is over-engineered to death
Yeah, no mate. KDE is the worst desktop for the Ubuntus right now.

>>56307567
you just said so: they are all the same thing.

>>56308801
>this program for babies is way better than this thing I can't be bothered to learn
Lol

>>56306989
>there's no good reason to use an obscure memeOS
Then why do you use APT-faggotry?

Big boys only use server distros, like OpenSUSE.

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pacaur mustard race reportin in

>>56310118
>>tooltips popping up over everything you hover over
turn them off lol
>>bouncing launcher feedback balls
turn that off lol
>>Plasma applications crash constantly
that's true on kubuntu tho
Try KDE Neon

>>56310003

Arch is for little kids.. professionals use DNF.

>>56309314

>>56310277
fedora sucks
debian and derivates > everything else

>>56306989
>APT
Back to cuckshed, debcuckolds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NysoCN9RR_c

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>>56306989
>same fucking packages
Powershell
MPC-Qt
Simplescreenrecorder
Grsec-kernel
Transmission-sequential
And the list goes on

SHUT IT DOWN, PAJEET

>>56310277
> DNF
> Not make install clean

>>56310277
>DNF
every time i see dnf i always read it as duke nukem forever even though i know that's not what it is

>>56307220
This

i'm an apt faggot with duke nukem on the side, but >same fucking packages is just wrong.

>I was too stupid to figure out how to install arch linux

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>using debian
>debian doesnt work
>laughing at other people

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>started on Ubuntu
>switched to Fedora
>now using Debian Unstable for some months
Nothing to complain about, still haven't failed me [spoiler]unlike Ubuntu[/spoiler]

>>56312981
>Ubuntu
>Debian Testing
>Not the same
You should try harder.

>>56313030
Yeah, I know. But my Ubuntu fail to boot one day
Its technology, it wasn't meant to make sense

>>56313084
>It didn't boot once so I installed a new system
Shiggy

>>56313084
At least you didn't stay with Fedora. Pure shit, that.

>>56313109
>the system fail during daily use
>I should accept, fix it and wait for the next problem

>>56313119
Except Torvalds uses it...

>but_thats_none_of_my_business.gif

>>56313217
touche

>>56313163
>Don't accept and wait for more problems
>Debian Testing