The NSA hack proves Apple was right to fight the FBI

APOLOGIZE

Would Google or Microsoft have done the same?

>Gee i thought exploiting your userbase was a good thing
>sarcasm

>>56202667
>apple fights the fbi
>still gives them the identity of the kat admin
???

>>56203153
They didn't do that though

http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2016/08/is-apples-cloud-key-vault-crypto.html

>>56203170
"A key assertion I've heard is that if Apple can do this, then surely they can do something similar to escrow your keys for law enforcement. But looking at the system shows isn't true at all."

>>56202667
>>>/lgbt/

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>>56202667
>protects terrorists that murdered 50 americans

>gives up torrent tracker admin in a heartbeat

What did Apple mean by this?

This has got to be the most pathetic thing I've seen in years.

>>56202667
>we protect everyone's privacy
>especially terrorists

>but not pirates
>especially when they're bad for our iTunes profits

wtf i hate apple now!

>>56203217

>things that never happened, the post

>>56203217
They gave server IP logs. Making the link to the KAT Admin was the FBI's job.

Regardless, we should remember that all big tech companies are under PRISM and will give data to the Enn Ess Ayy when they're asked, but I can't see any other company fighting the FBI in this situation.

#ThankYouTim

>>56202667
Wtf I hate Apple now

>>56203217
>iTerrorists will defend this

Wtf I hate apple now?

wtf i hate apple now!

>>56203243
>>56203259
>>56203263
I prefer bananas X)

What the hell? I really dislike Apple now.

>>56203217
wtf I hate apple now?

Well, that's my mind made up. Fuck Android.

My next phone will be an iPhone. You only get security from the top; with Tim in charge, that means my phone, tablet, computer and cloud storage are more secure than the competition.

I love Apple now.

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>>56203235
/thread

Apple has never given a single shit about privacy except as a marketing tool. Only a deluded fantard would even think otherwise.

>>56202667

The thing you have to remember about alt-rightists and even just good old fashioned righties is they have repeatedly been the first in line to bend over for Americans 4th amendment rights to be violated in the new Millennium.

Digital privacy is arguably not covered in the Constitution either.

And just because Cook didn't want to hand over the keys to the kingdom, doesn't mean they won't curate and unlock the doors if asked by a judicial system authority.

egad I'm currently displeased with the apple corporation!

>>56202667
Fuck off Tim, nobody cares about your publicity stunt.

>>56203317
Based fucking Granny Smith

>>56203317
wtf I hate you now

wtf i hate apple now!

>>56202667
>attacking the alt right over this
>leftist administration actually put the order out

You're true scum

>>56203104
They have done basically the exact opposite in the past. If such a scenario were even hinted at, those two would offer their help before the public could even know about it.

>>56203317
Well, that's my mind made up. I fucking hate Apple and their poo in loo shills now.

>>56203350
>implying the left in the house gave out the order

Remember when blackberry were the ones fighting for better uszer privacy and even created their own encrypted metworks? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

>>56203364

Remember when they gave up their encryption keys to fanatical fascist governments to sell phones there?

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

>>56203321

Apple supported it in part to have access to competitors' data. It was one of the benefits of CISA passing, for companies anyway.

The decision has been made for us

If you want a high quality premium product from a company that cares about your privacy, you choose Apple.

If you want run of the mill mediocre products from companies that do not give two fucks about your privacy, you choose another vendor.

>>56203364
>Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Are you from New England?

>>56203373
>Remember when they gave up their encryption keys to fanatical fascist governments to sell phones there?

Yeah people seem to conveniently forget that

>>56203153
if apple got hold of the kat admin's identity then that's a fuckup of the kat admin
>do massively illegal shit
>tons of LE is after ME
if you fuck up and leak your identity you're gonna get caught, simple as that.

>>56203384
He's from the 80s, or he watches Family Guy.

>>56203104
MS and Google have actually been fighting these battles for years against the FBI, only Apple has been fucking jew enough to try and pull a publicity stunt with it.

>>56203395
Well this is just completely false

>>56203391
Me too.

>>56203373
>>56203386
Remember when Apple gave up their encryption keys to the chinese government to sell phones there?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Yeah people seem to conveniently forget that too.

What's up with all the fruit hate in this thread?

>>56203414
No, you're going to need to remind us

>>56203390
>if you fuck up and leak your identity you're gonna get caught, simple as that.
Yeah, Appleshit are the worst for your privacy.
You will need a credit card, full name and full address before you can use an iShit device. iCloud is on by default as well.

>>56203399
>t. mactoddler

>>56203395

They haven't been fighting shit.

They put up token resistance and then cave.

The two companies who are in every single computing device made since the 90s couldn't spread word to their users and lobby officials to get them to stop?

>>56203421
Remember when Apple gave up their encryption keys to the chinese government to sell phones there?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Yeah people seem to conveniently forget that too.

>>56203421
http://qz.com/332059/apple-is-reportedly-giving-the-chinese-government-access-to-its-devices-for-a-security-assessment/

If you weren't living under a rock, you would know that this was all over the news.

Remember when Apple gave up their encryption keys to the chinese government to sell phones there?

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

>>56203447
Even if the Chinese government has the source to iOS, it doesn't mean it can break encryption on phones.

>>56203373
wtf i hate apple now!

>>56203447
>>56203443
Fuck, that really sucks shit. Welp, time to get a Xiaomi then.

>>56203447

Security-assessment doesn't mean giving encryption keys you fucking spastic.

>>56203464

based xiaomi indeed

>>56203460

It just means they have exploits to get the data they want. Which means compromised security.

>>56203430
if you use a smartphone for highly illegal stuff like that you already put 1 foot in jail

>>56203460
Remember when Apple gave up their encryption keys to the chinese government to sell phones there?

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

>>56203464

Not sure if serious...

>>56203464

Redmi Note 3 Pro here, fucking ace phone for the price.

>>56203447

That is such alarmist bull shit in that article. If it was anything like Microsoft's audit with Windows source code to the EU, the auditors have to consult the code on dedicated workstations and they are forbidden to bring in laptops or mobile phones. Sessions are limited and workstations are physically monitored. It's not as if the Chinks can grab the code and then compile their own version. kek

>carrying about privacy
>not buying apple

Its sad that you have to pay a premium for these things nowadays but that is how capitalism work.

If you dont want to have a crippled device and and you want to keep your privacy Apple the only way to go.

>>56203507
Remember when Apple gave up their encryption keys to the chinese government to sell phones there?

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

>>56203482
They want encrypted data?

>>56203526
Remember when Apple gave up their encryption keys to the chinese government to sell phones there?

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

wtf i'm unhappy with apple now

The FBI still cracked the iPhone on their own though

>>56203535
>>56203548

Remember when Google gave up their encryption keys to the U.S government free?

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

>>56203566
>>56203548
Is this a hot new meme?

>>56203574

Remember when Apple gave up their encryption keys to the chinese government to sell phones there?

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

>>56202667
big if true

>>56203585
Remember when Apple gave up their encryption keys to the chinese government to sell phones there?

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

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>>56203581

Remember when Google gave up their encryption keys to the U.S government for free?

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

>>56202667
>Reminder that there were a sizeable amount of "people" (alt-right)
Fuck off you shilling, divide-and-conquer-lookin-ass nigger

>>56203547

Any time you read about major Hacking attempts in China, assume it's PLA Unit 61398 until verified otherwise.

So the data is sent unencrypted because of the security exploits they could develop.

>>56203482
>>56203547
>>56203600

They can't use the code dumbasses >56203507

>>56202667
Apple is really doing a good job turning privacy in one of their big selling points. Specially considering google is the main competition.

>>56203574
Depends, are you Seth MacFarlane?

>>56203621
Remember when Apple gave up their encryption keys to the chinese government to sell phones there?

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

>>56203598
Found one

>>56203619
Remember when Apple gave up their encryption keys to the chinese government to sell phones there?

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Remember when Apple refused to help the FBI hack a shooter's iPhone but helped hack all of a torrent site operator's data for free within the same year?

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

>>56203673
>>56203643
I though this board was for tech literate people

>>56203673
>>56203643
I think both of these might be slightly inaccurate

>>56203695

remember when i hate apple now?

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

>>56203697
Inaccurate? But its apple we are talking about here. Everything they do is bad. Why cant you understand this? Even my fabricated facts are right because apple is bad. Only faggots use apple, you see?

Anybody know the name of that store in the mall with the small sausage rolls and expensive cheeses? It's on the tip of my tongue...

>>56203733
gtfo richard

>>56203733
Remember when Apple gave up their encryption keys to the chinese government to sell phones there?

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

>>56203747
Hillshire farm m8

Remember when /g/ was /g/ood

>>56203697
Remember when Apple gave up their encryption keys to the chinese government to sell phones there?

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

>>56203673
breaking the iPhone's security != providing client IP addresses from your server logs

The KAT guy just sucked as opsec.

Remember when SUPER FUCKING MARIO!!!!!!!1

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

>>56203756
Remember when Apple gave up their encryption keys to the chinese government to sell phones there?

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

>>56203810
He really had no business buying a song from itunes in the first place.

>>56203767
Hickory Farms, maybe. It's been a while since I've seen one.

>>56203810
Remember when Apple gave up their encryption keys to the chinese government to sell phones there?

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

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>>56203733
You showed him

>>56203395
>muh microsoft is evul and doesn't do good things like apple meme

http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/06/11/microsoft-fights-government-demand-for-customer-data-stored-outside-u-s/

>>56203395
yea sure google and microshaft help the nsa

>>56203643
They couldn't even do this if they wanted to lol

You're a retard, crypto might as well be magic to you.

Caring for corporations = y'all have lost your GOD DAMN MINDS. They don't give a crap for you or your privacy - it's all a PR nonsense.
Typical Americans.

>>56203962
Remember when Apple gave up their encryption keys to the chinese government to sell phones there?

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

>>56203976
PR nonsense with real benefits for me

>>56203795
Yes, it was called /g/ - Techloli/g/y.

>>56204092
Remember when Apple gave up their encryption keys to the chinese government to sell phones there?

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

>>56206070
Remember when Apple gave up their encryption keys to the chinese government to sell phones there?

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

But what about the most important question: Where can I get those leet hax0r tools the Russians published?

>>56203354
>They have done basically the exact opposite in the past.
So has Apple. That's clearly no indication of what they would have done now.

>>56206395
Link?

>>56206519
Look it up yourself, you fucking retard. We're not here to spoonfeed iToddler shitfucks like you. Now fuck off, you stupid fucking piece of shit.

>>56206545
Not a source

>>56202667
Apple cares about privacy of it's users? Is that why they've been involved in the NSA's PRISM project since 2012?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data
http://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/nov/01/prism-slides-nsa-document
It's really sad that the general public didn't realize that Apple's plan to ''fight'' the F.B.I. was nothing more than a publicity stunt.

>>56203228
/thread

>>56206519
https://www.policeone.com/legal/articles/7576133-Apple-will-no-longer-unlock-iPhones-for-police/
Prior to iOS 8 Apple had the capability and to, and was legally bound to, extract data under warrants.

>>56206727
Good thing nobody is on iOS 8 anymore

Yet another anti Apple post using horribly old information

>>56206798
I'm sorry, I thought this was about what companies had done in the past.

>>56203490
>tales from my arse

Remember when people started fighting their abusive governments instead of shilling for operating systems, phones and shit with the premise of security and privacy?

>tfw the orwellian nightmare of stallman was corporations ruling the world
>tfw the reality showed us that governments where the bad guys all the time

>>56207169
What have you done today?

>>56202667
Who needed proof?

When you find a vuln and keep it a secret, you might be able to exploit it, but you're also keeping it open for others to detect.

Isn't that common knowledge?

>>56207255
Today? Nothing, it's recent 7.00 AM
Yesterday I went outside to serve as Human Rights watcher in a protest here :^)

>>56207262
Linus Torvalds appears to not know that.

wtf apple hate now I

>>56203391
Or he can buy their shit from the supermarket. I can.

>>56203104
Google? Yes. Microsoft? Unlikely because they try to sell products to law enforcement and government. For example C.O.F.E.E was a prominent Microsoft tool aimed at the police market. They have quite a bit of software targeting the medical market, and I wouldn't be shocked if they have come up with new law enforcement tools they are not talking about.

>>56207362
>Google? Yes

Lol

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>>56202667

>TAKING PROPAGANDA MEDIA SHIT AT FACE VALUE

>REALLY BELEVING APPLE GIVES A FUCK ABOUT YOUR PRIVACY

>IMPLYING THIS IS NOT OVERLORD TIER PRO-APPLE SHILLING DURRRRR APPLE IS A RESPECTABLE COMPANY WHO LOVES US BULLSHIT

>IN REALITY APPLE IS A WEAK MOM AND POP OPERATION WHO CANNOT EVEN DEVELOP 1/20th THE SCALE GOOGLE CAN, BECAUSE ALL OF APPLES RECOURCES ARE GOING INTO iOS AND THEY CAN BARELY MAINTAIN JUST THAT ONE SINGLE THING

>PEOPLE ARE NOT BUYING THEIR SHITTY PHONES ANYMORE BECAUSE THE DESIGN IS FUCKING STUPID. BOTH INSIDE AND OUT, SO THE GOVERNEMNT WILL LITERALLY STEP IN AND SHILL FOR APPLE

america is a corporate entity through and through.
when will americans get tired of their faceless bullshit and start kicking the corporations out?

>>56207425
>corporations
>not the government

>>56207220
>tfw in reality, big corporations control the goverment.

Literally.

>>56207511
In the extend they can bribe the government.
And they could be affected if government someday decides to fuck them.

>>56207360
Are they still running the "...remembers" commercials, though..?

OP, your post would make sense if Apple weren't doing all that shit for marketing purposes

They gladly gave away the info of that KAT retard and his iTunes account

>>56207596
This is false

>>56207599
what is false

>>56207611
They didn't give any of the KAT owner's details. It's been explained multiple times in this thread.

>>56202667
>Reminder that there were a sizeable amount of "people" (alt-right) on here that were damning Apple for not handing the keys to iPhones to the FBI.
There were sizable numbers of people all across the political spectrum pushing apple to give that ass up.
I will agree though that the alt-right is the largest political segment to have radio personalities as dumb as the average alt-left person.

>>56207902
What does alt left entail?

>>56207975
They can most succinctly be described as tumblr types. Lunatic caricatures of liberalism and progressivism or just straight up communists or anarchists. Many like to call themselves social democrats because that sounds more rational than the truth, spoken by a social democrat.

>>56207902
>that were damning Apple for not handing the keys to iPhones to the FBI.
... and when the FBI paid for a "crack" they found nothing of interest on the iPhone. If only I could have placed a bet. It was the most obvious outcome. The bad guy burned 2 other phones but left his company-supplied iPhone untouched.

>>56208278
I have my doubts they even cracked it

>>56208359
I think they didn't cracked it. That's why they said they found nothing.

>>56202667
And yet Apple handed KAT info.
Apparently running a torrent site is more dangerous than being a terrorist.

>>56208442
It is, actually. Financially anyway.

>>56208442
Terrorists have very limited, if occasionally high profile, impact. Dollars lost to piracy are hard to quantify. Currency is more important than either privacy or human lives.

>>56208488
>Currency is more important than either privacy or human lives.
Jews logic.

>>56202667

>applel fights fbi
bullshit. they just make you think they're on user's side, when in reality fby and applel are one and the same thing. not that i care, not murrican.

>>56208504
Well the jews have taken over. Money is god. Deal w/it.

>>56208509
You cared enough to post

>>56208504
I don't understand what Juden have to do with the notion that ruling classes, like most people, are largely out for themselves.
>>56208513
>value is a jewish conspiracy
I laughed, I'll admit it. But back to stormfront with you.
>>56208557
He is right though. The opposition was a PR stunt and Apple is exceptionally great at PR. It bought them a lot of good will they undoubtedly hoped it would.

>>56208557
>You cared
hardly

>>56208442
>Apple handed KAT info.
No.

The FBI had the IP from the person managing the KAT-Fecesbook-page, and cross-referenced it with iTunes-purchases, which had a real name and address associated to it.

>>56208581
Enough to post

>>56202667
ump

i've made a little shoebox with a hole in it which the webcam looks into, inside is a light and a picture of a bedsit upon which a cardboard cut out of a figure is silhouetted. On it's rotating pivot it appear in motion, at first in the webcam image seems like a shapely woman to be drying themselves with a towl in a new york apartment.

The webcam light is hooked up to a buzzer so i'm alerted the instant someone connects; i normally have about thirty seconds to prepare before they've realized the image is a trick - normally i only need fifteen and the viewer will be peering at the screen saying 'gawww move into the light a little...' just as the tip of my penis rips through the paper and thrusts towards them; wtf?! confused and violated they'll watch confused as i begin to hump the box with ever increasing rapidity my penis sawing back and forth like a giant weapon crashing through this the mock apartment and imposing itself on my webcam viewer; sometimes the buzzer stops before i ejaculate but normally the last thing they see as they fumble for the disconnect is thick ropes of spunk spluttering over the camera.

it's an annoying attachment to have on a laptop and i've gotten some shit for it when the buzzer goes off in class but i just say to the teacher 'it's a security precaution and if we let our guard down just once then haven't the hackers won? i don't live in a gods america where hackers can just win thank you, we have a constitution which clearly upholds the god given right to protect yourself and your property from unlawful UN search and sanctions be that with bear arms or a dick in a box.

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>>56208592
>willfully participating in PRISM is not handing over information

>>56203160
Fuck you.
>In addition to using an email account operated by US-based Apple, (in which HSI found Vaulin’s passport and driver’s license details, plus his banking info), the Ukranian also had an iTunes account.
>Purchases he made there were logged by Apple, down to the IP address. Then, thanks to information provided by US-based Facebook (notice the recurring Stateside theme?), HSI were able to match that same IP address against a login to KAT’s Facebook page.
https://torrentfreak.com/kickasstorrents-connections-to-the-us-doomed-the-site-160723/

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>>56203235
>we protect everyone's privacy

>>56203238
See: >>56210003

>>56210003
IP address isn't personal info

Apple just gave server logs

>>56203378
>a company that cares about your privacy
>Apple

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>>56202667
>NSA's hacking tools
torrent where?

>>56210233
when an address is associated with an account it really is. it's like saying a mailing address in association with your name isn't personal info because anyone could have mail sent there. nonsense.

>>56203547
The exploits are to circumvent encryption.

I wish people were hacking/leaking Chinese and Russian shit too. I want to see what everyone has.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j9p0_TRurY

>>56206689
>Is that why they've been involved in the NSA's PRISM project since 2012?

Yeah, it couldn't have been because they'd be fined out of existence just like when Yahoo was threatened.

https://www.wired.com/2014/09/feds-yahoo-fine-prism/

>>56210279

>>56099492

>>56210330
seems too spooky to use

>>56203390
You forgot the best
> host server in Chicago