/pcbg/ - PC Building General

laptop broke and am on an old ass pc that can barely play hearthstone
1 month now any day now the parts will come reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
1 month of vacation and gaming wasted i cant take this ill become a monk if i wait any longer

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Need help deciding a case for an ITX build:

Coolermaster N200, cheap, fits both mATX and mITX, but apparently has a bunch of noise problems.

Define Nano S, $25 more expensive, but is more premium with noise dampeners on each side

Thermaltake V1, proper ITX case, cheap, but a nightmare to cable manage. Specs says it may not fit my GPU (287mm vs 285mm maximum allocated space)

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/NfQHzM

helping a friend come up with a build, trying to keep it in the $1200 USD range, any input on this build? Reviews of all the parts seem decent.
He's expressed that he isn't really interested in overclocking as of right now, so would switching to an i5-6500 be a good idea? I'm opposed to it because of the potential for overclocking in the future when his components become less relevant.

>>56159337
Hey guys. I haven't upgraded my PC in a long time and I need some help figuring out what I should get.
[email protected]
8gb Ram
z77 extreme 4 mother board
gtx 660
60gb SSD and a 1.5tb harddrive
i don't know where to even start with a mother board. What differences are there in motherboards? other than having less or more usb's and other stuff.. sorry idk much about motherboards.

>>56150820
Thank you very much. I could now understand your wise wizard wisdom. I'm searching for reviews, and I discovered I can discover even the brand of the capacitors used on the motherboards. This is great!

Looking for a new case I can get the Define R4 for a pretty good price, currently two thirds of the price of a r5, is the there any reason to pony up the extra cash for the r5 instead?

>>56160648
either do your research, or go with whatever logicalincrements suggests for your price range

I bought a gigabyte hm110-a i3 6100 with 8gb ddr4 last night and I think the mobo is DOA I just want confirmation. When trying to boot an OS from a HDD or usb (including win 8 7 10 and arch) it will get past the bios screen and then shortly after reboot it's self. The installation media seems to be stable if I don't have a hard drive connected but both hard drives I have tested work fine and the psu works fine in another build.

>>56159635
Check out ones by Silverstone. Slimmer ones >>>> boxy ones imo.

>>56160648
You should be fine with just a better video card and a bigger SSD.

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Are all of these compatible?

Also, any tips?

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>>56161734
>Are all of these compatible?

>>56161858
sometimes it is wrong

Thread is slow today, so let's try a challenge. Find me the best gaming PC with a hard limit of 400 USD. It should be able to play everything on at least medium settings. Used and refurbished parts are fine as long as you give a source. No housefire power supplies either.

>>56163468
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/kdtGqk

i cant do it

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>>56159337
I would like to buy front case fans for my bitfenix nova, I believe these would need to have high static pressure because of the entry imposed by the front panel, any recommendations below 30dB?
Budget is not really a concern, also these should be 120mm fans.

looking for a build for comfy gaming and also some heavy 3d image processing while staying in budget, came up with this:
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/RtBVcc

what's a good case for around $100? I only care about noise levels and heat dissipation, it can be as ugly as >>56164220 if necessary

i have gone through 3 mobos this month, i tried putting a Hyper t4 on my 1150 i7 4790k, didn't realize the t4 box said it's only compatible with 1151. but i didn't notice that until i bought a new mobo and tried again so i killed 2. I know it was dead mobos cause i tested another cpu on both of them and still no post, tried all the basic troubleshooting steps(removing all but 1 stick of ram and cpu). so anyway i went and grabbed a new mobo, new cooler (corsair h55) which is compatible and new psu. but this time the pc starts for a second and restarts over and over with no post. can't figure out wtf is wrong with me but i can't seem to build a pc anymore i guess. cursed?

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Just upgraded 2 weeks ago, new rx480 nitro+ 4gb should arrive on monday, little overkill for doto but i can afford it right now so fuck it

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So i need help.
I fell for the APU meme due to looking for a good AMD chipset motherboard that supported PCie 3.0 and i learned that the only compatible motherboards are APU orientated motherboards; so i went and bought myself a fairly decent FM2+ motherboard and a cheepo APU to see what it would be like.
After reviewing this new APU vs my current (Old) CPU, i had learned that the APU ranked better. My computer just feels slower now, Even though it runs at 3.7 Ghz as compared to my old 3.5 Ghz, Although its a 2 core vs a 6 core.
>Tl;Dr, Should i just get the latest APU?

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>>56165676
Im considering just biting the bullet and going for a new AMD CPU & Motherboard all together. It would cost me an extra 270~ and i really dont want to but i fucked up.

>>56165540
wat. i'm using a hyper t4 with an lga 1150 mobo with no problems. what's happening?

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Just built this today at work, was fun

>>56166699
dude just no. wait for zen or go intel

>>56167482
This is me
>>56167493

Actually installed the same cpu you were looking at, very fast!

I've noticed some Amd processors have some really fast speeds. Close 5 GHz even.

Not seeing any mbs that support ddr4 ram tho.

>>56167572
clock speed doesn't always mean better

>>56167482
if thats the case then i am literally cursed and will give up on technology because i have replaced every part at this point and can't get a POST

>>56167614
True, but 8 cores is still pretty respectable, right?

my old 6970 died today lads

should I get a used 7970 off feebay to replace it? can't really afford any worthwhile new card with the ridiculous Australia tax

>>56167835
amd cores != intel cores

divide the cores by half on any piledriver cpu.

>>56168591
>>56168591
What's the difference in performance, exactly?

On paper it's amd with more GHz and actual cores and Intel with hyperthreading and less power and, I assume, heat due to less power needed.

If there's more I'd be interested to read it.

>>56169588
Take a look at relative cache sizes as well.

>>56165676
You don't need pcie 3.0 with that GPU.

>>56167572
DDR4 is coming with Zen.

>>56163592
Try harder.
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/YnrkXH

why cant amd make good gpu's or cpu's to actually be better or equivalent to competitors ?

Can someone recommend best for the price mini itx z170 1151 motherboards?

>>56169659
So the differences in cache sizes is that big?

>>56169808
Because Intel didn't get slapped hard enough for all the bullshit that they pulled. Not saying AMD hasn't done some shit, but if they have then they're absolutely terrible at playing dirty.

Intel's compiler didn't take advantage of the latest instruction sets for non-Intel CPUs, making them run programs compiled with their compiler much slower:
http://www.agner.org/optimize/blog/read.php?i=49

Intel paid computer makers to exclusively use their CPUs:
http://archive.fortune.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2006/08/21/8383598/index.htm

Oh, and they cheated on benchmarks years ago:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/31/fifteen_whole_dollars_on_offer_for_cranky_pentiums_4_buyers/

This probably isn't the best thread to discuss all of this though.

>>56170184
They're all pretty similar. Just get the one with all the features you want.

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/28bZZ8

am i fucking anything up here? i just chose parts from logical increments

i would like to keep it close to 1k without having to upgrade for a while, it will be mainly used to play videogames

i already have a hdd, win7 and a monitor

how useful would sli be to reach 140+ fps?

>>56171031
Motherboard looks a bit too expensive. There's some $40 cheaper that still have the z170 chipset and SLI support.
Get 2x8gb of ram so it runs as dual-channel.
Case seems stupidly expensive.
Power supply is overkill unless you're going for SLI.
SLI will always be less efficient than a single card.

Any reviews about ADATA SP550?

>>56171031
Really expensive case, like retards level of expensive.
Get a 650w PSU unless you will SLI, which you shouldn't.
Get a GA-Z170X-UD5.

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Korean guy who got no help 2 threads ago here; I kinda finalized my build:

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/RKCxcc

Would come to about 1,200,000 won.
Any parts that should be swapped? It took me forever to find an okay PSU that wouldn't blow up and wouldn't break the bank.

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Pretty sure my motherboard shit the bed (tested RAM, SSD, PSU on other computer)

The RMA process is hilariously bad for Asrock so I'm thinking about just taking the L on this one. Would this be an alright replacement? Processor is Intel i5 4690k.

Previous mobo was an Asrock Z97 Pro3. Didn't even last 2 years, so never using one of their products again.

>>56171950
I should also note that I'm an autist and despite there being higher rated mobos, I chose this because it is black and blue like the rest of my pc. So no red mobos pls

any substitutes for the RX 480? Trying to pull the trigger on my build tonight.

Can anyone recommend a mini-itx case with the window on the top or opposite side as normal?
I want to get a little secondary gaming/video wall PC, but I want to put it against the wall and have the back/exhaust pointed at the door.
I was looking at the Cooler Master 915f/r, or the Caselabs Mercury S3, but both are discontinued, and I'm currently considering the Corsair 250D

>>56159337
Can I get opinions on my build so far? http://pcpartpicker.com/list/YZBK3F
(ignore meme 1kw psu)

>>56171973
Yeah 3gb gtx 1060 is cheap and available.

>>56171813
Go with the i5 6500. The $15usd isn't worth the clock speed drop. Conversely, the i5 6600 isn't worth the price increase.

If you want to reduce price, Get a crucial MX 300 ssd instead, find a cheaper case, a cheaper version of the Gtx 1060. Clock speed on the 1060 doesn't matter because of gpu boost 3.0

>>56159635
Nano S, Have not regretted it.

>>56172572
>3gb gtx 1060
Please don't try to dupe people who are just asking for honest advice. Unless you're being sincere, in which case wow Nvidiot way to drink the kool-aid.

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Generally when people talk about the GTX 1060, are they referring to the 6 GB version if not specified? From what I read, the 3 GB version was released later and many people think it should have been named differently. In the picture for example, are they referring to the 6 GB version? Also, if I had a 760 (it broke) and I'm looking to upgrade to the current generation, is it the 6 GB version that I should be looking at?

>>56173106
Yup its all 6GB version
I haven't seen one 3GB version review to this date, there probably is some but i can't find them for life of me.

>>56173149
Do you think this is a sign to stay away from the 3 GB version? I mean, I've only looked into the 6 GB version anyway (since I guess that's what everyone was talking about), but should I even look into the 3 GB version at all?

(And especially if I'm looking for a 760 replacement, I assume the 6 GB version would be the real equivalent in the current generation.)

5ghz or bust
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/nv3PVY

>>56173381
That cooler, with a 970 chipset, you serious?

>>56159337
>Using yellow blocks as a base


What is this mong doing

>>56172991
If you can find a 480 For $200-$215 then sure, go ahead buy it. It's a great card. Where the fuck is it in stock without the shitty ass reference cooler though?
I'm annoyed that the 4gb version is hard to find too, because no way does a 1080p game ever use 4gb vram.

The next best thing in the price range is the 1060 and I don't think that's even up for debate. Maybe if you find a nice r9390 for cheaper then get that instead.
It's nice being able to put the 1060 with a 550w power supply though. I wouldn't pair 390 with a 650w or under.

I'm going to build my first computer, it has a i5 6500 + stock Intel cooler + EVGA GTX 1060 non OC + Seasonic S12II 80+ Bronze 520W (bottom intake fan). I don't mean to overclock any component. My case comes with two stock fans (one intake fan in the front, one outtake fan in the rear) and supports up to 5 fans, then I'd like to add one more fan (Arctic F12 PWM PST, so I can attach a fan to it, since my mobo only has 2 fan headers). Where should I put it in order to have better cooling? Shall I use it as outtake fan on the top or as intake fan on the front or as intake fan on the side?

>>56160049
Yeah, get the i5-6500. Spend the money on faster RAM

>>56160648
As the other poster said, just get a bigger SSD and a new graphics card. 4GB RX 470 or 3GB GTX 1060

>>56163468
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Gaming-Desktop-Core-i5-2400-3-1Ghz-Win-10-8GB-1TB-GeForce-GTX-750-Ti-/262494006362?hash=item3d1ddcac5a:g:2CUAAOSwnNBXaqc-

>>56167875
I'd save for a 470.

>>56173202
The 3GB 1060 will be fine.

>>56173746
Overclocking the 1060 = free performance

>>56174400
Doesn't that mean that I will get worse performance than what all the benchmarks mention? I'm not just looking for something that can replace the 760, I want something that's about as good with current standards as the 760 was when it came out.

>>56174400
> overclocking 1060
You still haven't replied to my question

>>56173746
2 intakes 1 exhaust. Dustproof, good enough cooling. That card runs 65c max.

>>56174786
Thank you for replying. Since my PSU has a bottom intake fan I thought that balancing intake and outtake fans was the best solution, which was the reason why I was more oriented to the outtake top fan. The problem with my case is that it doesn't have a fron filter (case is Cooler Master N200). Would two intake fans in the front be collecting too mich dust?

>>56174870
You have parts with naturally low thermals. Its really not going to matter much.

>>56174944
Ok thank you.

I'm trying to come up with my first build this is what I have so far:
i5 6600K
NZXT S340
RX480
AMD SSD
PSU Seasonic S12-II
Cooler Master Hyper 212
MSIZ170 Gaming Pro Carbon
HyperX 2x4GB 2400MHZ

The motherboard costs 160€ with the RAM included, is this a good deal or should I get a cheaper mb and ram combo? Need the MB to be able to OC, any recs?

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Any thoughts in the asus Z170-A? Im going to clock a 6600k to 4.4ghz and the automatic oc thing sounds super neat. I'm going for an all black and white aesthetic though. I heard that the brown pcb is fairly noticeable.

>>56175447
Anything with the z170 chipset will be able to overclock.

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Need help picking DDR4 ram, which brand is the best to buy? Also which speeds are recommended? Board supports up to 4000 (ASUS Z170i Pro Gaming).

>>56175911
The Dominator Ram is fine but you have to unlock it on the BIOS first, it's advertised as 3000 mghz but it's actually like 2400 (don't remember exactly and too lazy to fact-check) is not the best money can buy but some like it for Aesthetics

>>56175470
>automatic oc thing sounds super neat
No. Automatic OC almost always overvolts your shit way beyond what is required. It's unavoidable, there's no way to determine stability other than extended use/stress testing, so the automatic OC shit throws shitloads of voltage at your CPU at very low/conservative OCs in order to make sure that most CPUs will be able to handle those settings.

Just OC by hand.

>>56175447
Pretty fuckin good list honesty. Remember, s340 has only 2 exhaust fans. Might want to pick up 1 or 2 cheapy 120mm fans.

Rate this micro atx build I constructed in like five minutes

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/x7JK3F

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So I got myself a new 140 mm fan. Should I put it bottom of the case or in front with another 140 mm fan? Case is Fractal Define R5.

>>56176679
It's very similar to my build. The only thing I would do is dismiss the CPU cooler and spend the extra money for a Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB.

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Would I run into any bottleneck issues if I replace the graphics card in this computer with a 1070?

>>56178432
Yep, that 2700k will definitely be bottlenecked by the 1070. Better get a titan x.

>>56178863
That doesnt sound right...

>>56176936
So the stock heatsink is fine?

>>56179871
Yes, unless you mean to overclock the CPU, but i5 6500 isn't designed for that purpose anyways.

>>56179050
Try it opinions differ most say Sandy bridge is fine
>There is always a bottleneck somewhere or your framerates would be infinitely high. A better question to ask is, "Does my 2700K allow me to get high enough framerates in games?"

>Upgrading your video card will let you run at higher graphical settings with the same framerates, but ultimately your CPU is what determines how high your FPS can go regardless of what GPU you have.

Buy test compare and decide wether a upgrade is worth or not.

>>56172621
Thank you!
The CPU upgrade costs more like $30 here though..still worth it?
Also the Crucial is only $10 cheaper here though it is 275GB instead of 250. Is it just as reliable as the Samsung?

>>56180554
I figure that the CPU works fine for now, I can get it to 5.2 on air and it is stable. Later down the line I can get a new mobo, cpu and ram I thought.

Should I save my sheckles and buy a rx 480 or buy a 1070?

>>56181935
If you're planning on playing games above 1080p, get the 1070. Otherwise get the 480.

>>56176936
Is your build a micro atx pc?

>>56184262
What difference would that make?

>>56176758
I would say front. Mostly because the filters on the front are far easier to access for cleaning. Just keep the bottom plugged.

>>56185537
That question was more out of curiosity, but I guess heat/noise would be a difference. I would prefer to have as less of those two things as possible.

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What should I upgrade first? Got it 2 years ago for like 650 dollars and have 300-400 bucks lying around.

>>56185952
your monitor to a 1080p one. And also an ssd for your os. Everything else looks fine, although I am not very familiar with AMD processors.

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When the manufacturer of the motherboard does not informs which type of capacitor was used in it, is it right to deduce it's a taiwanese electrolytic?

>>56186563
Usually

>>56186843
OK, so I'm not going to ask each seller on the online platform about the type and country of the capacitors.

>>56159337
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/
I intended on making a gaming PC, I have already bought all the parts and Im typing this out on it right now.
Did I fuck up?
Also, could someone direct me to some competent advice on overclocking?

>>56187236
You didnt even send a list.

Also:

>buying before asking second opinions (albiet 4chin)

>>56187318
Fug. I was editing the list and forgot to save it then get the link.
here we go.

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/XfmTJV

I read reviews for days and had the whole build approved by a friend but I'm kind of wondering if I fucked up because I feel like its not performing as it should be , and I think its either my build or Win 10 being weird because I was dumb and didnt do a clean install.
Also I bought all this six months ago.