Redpill me on Macs, /g/.

they are crap.

/thread

>>56127700
I understand that, but why are they crap? Is there any specific reason?

Most of /g/ is too poor to afford one, so they meme the fuck out of them and shitpost because sour grapes.

They're beautiful computers with a decent OS that's somewhere between Windows and Linux.

Their price is a bit high because they're a bit of a status symbol.

>>56127700
this.

/thread

shit hardware, nice OS

They're decent machines with a god tier OS and are commonly hated by 12 year olds who think it's cool to hate them because other 12 year olds hate them too.

>>56127687
A lesbian operating system so it's pure compared to winblows and lincucks

>>56127687
If we're talking about the iMac specifically, it's actually a pretty good value if you factor in the screen, especially the 5k.
>+ decent specs for the price
>+ triple boot
>- customization
>- upgrades

>>56127687

They used to be great for things like photography, video editing, ect.

Then apple dropped PPC for intel because they wanted that normie money. Now each new release is one step forward and several steps back.

The quality of the hardware has also been dropping for the past 10 years too.

>>56127709
>bad cooling
>throttling is common for some models
>components are mostly soldered and user upgrades/repairs are harder in comparison to other devices if not practically impossible
>""desktop"" macs have laptop parts except the top spec 5K one

Although they are your only choice if you need/want to use osx and don't want to build a hackintosh machine

>>56127687

Proper BSD UNIX
Proper GUI with usability and consistency, no random aesthetics from umpteen competing GUI toolkits
Loads of free software, easily installed from ports or as packaged apps
Platform of choice for design professionals
Fast, powerful, it just works (tm)

>>56127687
If you are a normie or amateur dev, OS X > Windows for literally everything

If you do serious development, then you'll find Linux environment much more friendly than OS X environment. One perk OS X might have over Linux is that the laptops come with a god-tier touchpad for productivity due to switching workspaces, although you may find keyboard shortcuts on non-macbook laptops just as fast. If you can get Linux on a rMBP, then there is no reason for you to use OS X for serious tech work

>works without any problems
>great battery life
>looks an feels nice
>amazing screen
>people who can't afford hate on it
Can't be happier with my mbpr 13 and the best part is none of the neckbeards in CS has any ambitions talking to me because of it... :^)

>>56127760
>PPC to Intel
>anything but an improvement
Out of all the things to complain about in macs, you choose this

>>56127921
You actually had a reason to buy Macs before, now they're just run of the mill machines that come with a different OS preinstalled.

>>56127700
laughing my ass off!

>>56127722
they look nice but only some are worth anything. macbook air 11in is a very pleasant machine, but needs to be cheaper than it is. rMBP is probably the only mac machine that comes close to being correctly priced. all but the tippy top desktop models are worth anything, and they are priced incredibly high bc of it.

>>56127960
all but the tippy top desktop models are worth jack shit, and the top models are crazy expensive*

>>56127818
this is a good and fair summation. although as far as price goes, the touchpad (perhaps the screen as well) is the only quality hardware that goes above and beyond my w530, the rest is about the same, and is much more expensive.

It's expensive but it'll probably get you laid.

>>56127921
>Out of all the things to complain about in macs, you choose this

It made a big difference when it came to photoshop and video editing. Macs were significantly faster than windows in those programs for a long time.

Then they make the move to intel and ps ends up being a bit slower on macs. Then 64 bit ps comes out, but for windows first making macs fall even farther behind.

But there are people who still claim that macs are better for photo editing lel

iPhone - they are great but it's mainly about preference, had 6S, trying S7 edge now

iMac - never had one but they are good if you can do your stuff on them/family use, not for hard gaming etc.

Macbooks - literally the best you can get, I won't be buying anything else for long time. Doesn't apply if you are 13 years old and need to carry all your games everywhere you go.

iPads - if you need a tablet, preferably for mom it's great, works good but for the 13 inch pro the OS is meme, same icon layout like on 4,7 phone, cmon Apple

I've had 4 iphones, 3 macbooks, 2 ipads and the only thing I could whine as a normal user/programmer is the filesystem bullshit and fucking lightning cable being $20 for just a cable that's trash anyway. Don't listen to edgy neckbeards hating apple because it's cool and all they can afford from their allowance is $100 thinkpad used by 10 people while they pretend it's exactly what they wanted.

What I find interesting is how crazy the resale value are on apple products. Look up the prices on old macbooks. Pretty crazy how much you can get off a 5 year old laptop.

>>56128252
Is it the screens?

>>56128252
I've just sold my 2014 macbook air. I bought it week old from someone and sold it after 21 months for $110 less then I paid. Cool how you can litearlly rent a macbook for 5 bucks a month.

>>56128270
It's a thing for devices without screens too, it's just because they're from Apple.

They use shitty HDD. Mine broke in 2y and half.

>>56127739
>god tier OS
>no package manager
Go on, say "homebrew", I need a laugh.

>>56128966
pkgsrc

>>56128977
Can it delete App Store apps? Add repositories?

>>56129007
>delete App Store apps
Of course not, why would it?
>Add repos
It comes with all the repos already

they're decent prebuilts

>>56127687
REEEE
EEE

also later models overheat and they are less repairable (even though 2nd one benefits in portability)
>>56128966
>not using MacPorts
Ports > Apt/pacman/rhel package manager

>>56129051
>>56129037
>>56129011
>>56128997
>>56128981
Quit shitposting

>>56129019
>>>56129007 (You)
>>delete App Store apps
>Of course not, why would it?
So it's a package manager that can't manage packages on your system.
>>Add repos
>It comes with all the repos already
What "all" repos? A pre-defined set?

So basically it can't do 2 things that any package manager on Linux can. Awesome.

>>56129040
>>56129007

>>56129040
>rhel package manager
Wat

>>56129079
>So it's a package manager that can't manage packages on your system.
It's a package manager that manages packages previously managed by it. Packages managed by a different package manager (which the App Store is, just a graphical one) are handled by said package manager.
>What "all" repos? A pre-defined set?
Yes, when you install the ports system all ports are already there.

>>56129125
>what is rpm

>>56128089
>actually thinking that a computer will get you laid
>needing an electronic device to get laid

Wew lad

Fantastic screens, shit everything else. Which is a bummer because most other brands have shit screens and fantastic everything else.

Not a single company gets both of them right, yet they're still wondering why nobody buys prebuilds anymore. Jesus fucking Christ.

>>56129168
Oh, it's you. I see you're enjoying your last few weeks of shitposting before you go back to middle school.

>>56129101
Yes, it's possible to add/create one. As for mac app store management, that's a different application and you should use something like

mas

. Even though OS X applications are all self contained so it's advised to just remove the .app (mas can aid).

>>56129126
>It's a package manager that manages packages previously managed by it. Packages managed by a different package manager (which the App Store is, just a graphical one) are handled by said package manager.
So you need to keep 2 package managers, both of which inferior to standard linux ones since no adding repos, and make sure you never have conflicts by, for example, installing xcode on one and python on the other. How is this better?

>Yes, when you install the ports system all ports are already there.
What "all" ports? How do you define a static environment includes everything from a dynamic one? Anyone can make a repo right this moment, you can't at all ensure this thing will magically include everything unless you allow it to add repos.

>>56129214
This anon did your homework for you. Still shit that you have to keep both while you can update every package in Linux with 1 application though.

>>56129150
So you didn't even know the name, but somehow already knew macports was better. Ok.

>>56129230
>So you need to keep 2 package managers, both of which inferior to standard linux ones since no adding repos, and make sure you never have conflicts by, for example, installing xcode on one and python on the other. How is this better?
I never claimed it was infinitely superior, I said it was a package manager for OS X, which it fucking is.
>So you didn't even know the name, but somehow already knew macports was better. Ok.
You're thinking of a different anon. I was just pointing out that he clearly meant rpm

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>>56129230
Do you? There are distributions of linux with multiple package managers. Plus you can just not use mac app store.

>>56129063
>anon posts stuff related to apple
>b-but shitpost

Do you actually have an argument or are you here to do actual shitposting?

>>56129261
I'm claiming it's inferior?

>>56129266
Can you name one of those retarded distros? I could just add "don't install retarded distros", but I'm curious about this. Or do you mean something like yum+pip+npm?

>>56129324
Why're you questioning yourself?

>>56129336
Sorry about the question mark on the first reply, was meant to be statement.

>>56129296
He spams that wall of text that nobody bothers reading in every thread, it's shitposting.

>>56129348
Well I never claimed pkgsrc is the best. You asked to name a non-homebrew package manager for OS X, and I did.

>>56127687
>Redpill me
Kill yourself

>>56129318
>Nef = all Mac users
Top fucking kek

>>56127687
Like what the hardware or the software?
OS X is like a working commercial version of Linux (as in it has the benefits of GNU/Loonix) so /g/ hates it.
The hardware despite what macfags say is not exceptionally reliable or always well thought out. Over the years there have been many Apple products with hardware defects. Where they shine is that with Apple laptops everything about them is at least decent, they are always very pleasant to use.
While with other manufacturers you can buy a laptop that costs as much as a MBP, and yet it might still have something extremely sub par about it like shit display, short battery life, bad touchpad etc.
With A

>>56129360
>He spams that wall of text that nobody bothers reading in every thread, it's shitposting

Then don't respond to him. To be fair those are some legit reasons to have concerns about apple. If you think that he's wrong then just BTFO him and he won't post it again.

>>56129424
>To be fair those are some legit reasons to have concerns about apple
I entirely agree, but to spam it all over the place is absolutely unnecessary. We get it, Apple iz bad xDDD

>>56129454
>look mom I posted it again

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>>56129337
I'm here year round, baby

>>56129412
>OS X is like a working version of Linux
Could you please not talk like you knew what you're talking about?

>>56129450
Well I agree that it could be bette rif he just posted the fsf page instead of posting walls.

>We get it, Apple iz bad xDDD
>op asks why some /g/entoomen think macs are bad
>complaining about some anon posting what he thinks is bad about apple

>>56129324
bedrock. Even though its slightly different. And yes, pip/npm+other package manager is like MAS+brew/macports.

>>56127722
>Actual troll detected but i will reply

Cost is one factor, the Apple machines are horribly priced compared to whatever hardware they put in them.

>They sell duocores 1,3Ghz in 2016 calling it lightening fast.

>Heat dissipation relies on the aluminium of the case to expand.

>>56127730
>having a low OS standard

>>56129547
>Heat dissipation relies on the aluminium of the case to expand.
How many asses did you have to mine to pull this out?

>>56129563
>being 12

>>56129230
oh my god will you fuck off.

>>56129573
>while defending shiny status symbols aimed at teenagers
You're not being credible

>>56129809
All I've done is deny that OS X is shit, because it's far from it.

OS X is a joy to use.

Most Macs could do with better hardware but the rMBP, especially if you can grab one foe less than MSRP is good. It's one of the few modern laptops you can get with a 16:10 aspect ratio display.

>>56129842
>normie tier consumer jail completely based around social media integration
No, it's shit

>>56129890
>>56129894
>lolol OS X sux guise
Spotted the 12 year olds

>>56129890
>>56129894
Any UNIX is better than no UNIX.

>>56129894
>confusing OS X with iOS
Why are you arguing about something you clearly know nothing about?

>>56129547
>unironically saying troll
underage detected

>>56129907
Why?

>>56129925
/thread

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>>56129917

>>56130027
>Apple's OS gives the option to use Apple's online data storage services
What's the issue with this?
>Apple's OS allows you to conveniently post on popular social networking sites
Again, what's the issue? You're free to not take advantage of either feature. Are you really complaining about the abundance of features?

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>>56130027

>>56130065
Yes, that's called bloat.

>>56130122
That's called autism

>>56130104
>App Store can't be used to remove apps installed through it
>can however be used to post on Facebook and Twitter
You cannot make this up.

>>56130138
just rm the .app

>>56130150
How does that make it any less retarded?

>>56130138
Why would you need the App Store to delete a folder?

Most mature, refined OS released.

And that's coming from a die-hard Win 10 guy.

>>56130165
>>56130170
Why would Apple spend so many years talking shit about not needing a file manager if the OS is designed well yet fail so hard at this basic program management that they need a file manager (which is still shit)?

>>56130176
>Most mature, refined OS released.
>And that's coming from a die-hard Win 10 guy.
Yes, we totally believe you're a die-hard Win 10 guy.

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>>56130027
Oh no!!! A feature I can disable really fucking easily and don't have to use!!! By the way you're still wrong about it being a "jail".

>>56130217

How does Mac OS manage to fuck up full screen functionality?

>>56130284
xD

>>56130244
You only believe Stallman you cherrypicked one thing from his crazy bullshit that you already agree with, not because it's actually correct.

>>56130216
>not doing rm /Applications/$(mas list $1 | cut -d " " -f 2).app
>>56130244
Let's just agree: everyone is 12 years old.

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>>56130104
>anime fag has an opinion on something he knows nothing about.
wow its fucking nothing.

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kek, all these people saying shit like
>proper BSD UNIX
>god tier OS
>working version of Linux

In reality, OS X is a pain in the ass if you're a programmer/power user:
>no package manager
>outdated packages
>no auto-completion
>launchd is terrible
>have to download xcode (4GB) to use git (18KB)
>have to rely on hacks such as homebrew or macports to be somewhat usable
>such hacks break once you upgrade to a mayor version
>the world's most advanced operating system

Please, just stay away from OS X: a non-standard UNIX, full of caveats for every single package you take for granted on a Linux environment.

Tho I will admit the Time Machine feature is great.

>>56130344
but that QE/CI doe, right? I wish Linux had that level of composting and font rendering.

>>56130396
>composting
compositing* ofc

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>>56130396
Most programs don't take advantage of it, so the result is a bunch of pixelated text.

Still, I'd rather have functionality over eye-candy.

>>56130344
>no package manager
Homebrew, MacPorts, pkgin, pkgsrc, Fink (if that's still a thing
>outdated packages
Only the GPL licensed ones, they're all at the last GPLv2 version and Apple's replacing them all with BSD equivalents
>no auto-completion
What?
>have to download xcode (4GB) to use git (18KB)
I'm 99% sure you can install just the command line tools without installing all of Xcode
>have to rely on hacks such as homebrew or macports to be somewhat usable
>OS X has no package managers, except for some of the ones it does have, but those don't count because I don't like them
>such hacks break once you upgrade to a mayor version
Never had that happen, although this is just anecdotal
>the world's most advanced operating system
Damned straight.

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>>56127730
>shit hardware
maybe you should go back to /v/

Macs are aesthetically nice but OSX is utter shit.

>>56130344
>macports
>get updates a lot of times per day
>?
>better than systemd
>you don't
>they're not hacks
>works on my machine

I had to buy a 3rd party program to change my desktop res on el capitan.

>>56130494
>whining about features you won't use
Holy fucking autism, the only time it ever comes to mind that my OS has any Facebook integration is when some autist like you whines about it. If you use OS X and don't use the social networking features it's just like using any other OS without them, you just forget they're there. If the capability's very existence is enough to make you assblasted, you've got much bigger issues to deal with.
>le epik botnet meme
xD

>>56127709
power >>>>>> aesthetics
Low-price high-power >>> high-price low-power

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>>56129318
>and format someones harddrive and lose it all

everytime

>>56130525
not at argument

This >>56127700 because this >>56127767

>>56130609
>pretending I have no argument because you don't have one
This is why no one takes technologically illiterate anti-Apple twelve year olds seriously.

>>56130170
I just wanted the App Store to delete the apps I installed through it, I don't care if they're in a folder, .7z or executable binary. But I get it, Facebook and Twitter connectivity is more important for an App Store than actually having a remove option.

>>56130471
>Homebrew, MacPorts, pkgin, pkgsrc
>>56129230
>those don't count because I don't like them
No, those don't count because you can't use just them. If you want to develop an iOS app you need XCode, which only comes in developer tools which comes with tons of cli tools which will conflict if you try to user newer versions from those other package managers. Bottom line, you're always stuck with the App Store, you can't get the same quality of package managing as a Linux distro.

>>56130546
>If the capability's very existence is enough to make you assblasted, you've got much bigger issues to deal with.
So if I don't like not being able to remove a completely useless feature from my own OS, I'm the problem? Is this the new iteration of "you're holding it wrong"?

>>56130453
then how about dem micro/monlithic kernel hybrid?

>>56127687
scam

>>56127700
thats the bitter bitter bluepill

>>56130662
>Bottom line, you're always stuck with the App Store
Not true in the slightest, I've only used the App Store to install Xcode and update my OS.

>>56130675
The fact that you get all hot and bothered by something that affects you in absolutely no way whatsoever is the bigger issue. I'm not saying you are the problem, I'm saying you have problems, and that you should probably seek professional help.

>>56130616
>apple sells me an expensive server-grade hard drive and I receive the cheapest consumer-grade drive on the market
>this is fine

>>56130453
>pgAdmin
>Java swing application
>not using superior native Postico, SQLPro,MacPostgresClient,PSequel
You're a fucking retard

>>56130344
just install homebrew are you really this tech illiterate?

>>56130736
waah homebrew's not good enough! >.< muh ganoo/linux iz so much better!

>>56130724
>I've only used the App Store to install Xcode
That's the entire problem I described.

>>56130724
>The fact that you get all hot and bothered by something that affects you in absolutely no way whatsoever is the bigger issue.
I never got hot-headed, I merely pointed out that not letting me remove things is objectively inferior to letting me remove them. You can keep diverting the issue to "you have le autism xD" all you want, it won't change that.

>>56130736
>>56130662

what are the must have apps for os x \

>t. recent hackintoshfag

>>56130724
>Bottom line, you're always stuck with the App Store
>Not true in the slightest, I've only used the App Store to install Xcode and update my OS.
How the fuck are you not always stuck with it if you need to update your operating system, you moron?

>>56130725
>stating facts
>not.an.argument

>>56130772
Try Pages, Pixelmator.

>>56130766
>I merely pointed out that not letting me remove things is objectively inferior to letting me remove them
t. autist

>>56130779
Well of course you're always going to use the program you use for updating your OS to update your OS, but as far as installing programs goes I've only used it once in the three years I've been using OS X versions that have the App Store.

>>56130795
k, thanks
>>56130797
got homebrew, i'm good

>>56130820
xD

>>56130525
>out of context pic
Not really an argument more like shilling, isn't it? lol how many decades ago did mac minis even look like that, grandpa? Ive literally never seen that form factor in use since like 20 years ago.

>your gay
wow very impressive insult coming from someone who cant even go poo into the loo properly

>>56130820
OS X is only the most advanced, finely tuned aesthetic operating system

>>56130766
You are proving everyone's point that you dont even need a computer you need adult supervision.

>>56130820
don't have fb, breh

>toddler os

enjoy your botnetz and piss poor programs brah. there is a reason why people get paid to program.

the only reasons os x is bad because:
it's a toddleros
some people using it are retarded
disablable social network integration for some programs

>>56130876
no I dont think you are underaged just immature.

>>56130876
The way you write your responses looks a lot like how an autistic person would, so it's not unreasonable to presume you're autistic.

>>56130803
>u have le autism xD
Not an argument.

>>56130804
So we went from "not true in the slightest (that you're stuck with the App Store)" to it being required for probably the most crucial update in your entire system. Alright.
Secondly, XCode will always conflict with the cli tools you get from homebrew, macports, etc. It's solvable, but it's not something you have to concern yourself with in a Linux system with a real package manager.

>>56130840
>it's ok, they don't commit fraud anymore!

>>56130862
>u r le underage xD
Not an argument.

>>56130893
Not an argument.
You can keep calling me names all you want, let me know when you want to post a counter-point.

>>56130870
actually none of these are good points the real reason not to use is

1)too poor
2)dont want to manage a windows VM to do legacy applications
3)need windows specific browser extensions and for some reason a windows VM wont work for your needs

>>56130902
You need to be 18 to use this board

>>56130915
>u r le autism xD
Not an argument.

>>56130918
Wow this just confirms your autism, did you really delete your last response to update it for this one?

>>56130918
You are acting like a brat and you need to go to timeout. There is no counter-point to "why cant i remove system utilities for no reason"

>>56130944
Wow, you sure showed me

to all gnooo/linux fags

why should good software be free?

>>56130930
Yes I made a quoting error and corrected it. Let me guess, that's like super autistic XD

>>56130940
>u r le brat xD time for le timeout
Not an argument
>for no reason
It's my own operating system, I don't have to justify myself. I get that you think that, coming from OS X, but most operating systems just let you... do things. Shocking, I know.

>>56130964
You can sell free software. Red Hat didn't find 2 billion $ under a bridge.

The hardware is mediocre
The amazing trackpad doesn't work very well if it has any moisture on it
The keyboard layout is kind of shitty
They're roughly as durable as a chinkpad. It's actually pretty hard to do some real damage with an everyday accident like a five foot drop onto the corner of the laptop if it wouldn't somehow fuck up a chinkpad
The superdrive can be swapped out for a second HDD
Less ports than a thinkpad because of the smaller dimensions, yet not significantly more portable in practice
The OS becomes a major obstacle if you ever want to do something that requires support for more than HFS, FAT, and NTFS and comes with outdated software that forces most people to use hacked up/shitty ports systems like homebrew, macports, and pkgsrc, none of which approach the glory of portage
A lot of the alternative software costs money but isn't good enough and lacks the complete OS integration to justify the price. You will NEVER complete replace finder.
It's slow to boot and runs a lot of services you will never use, ever
Devs are usually jewish and dishonest
The single best thing is ctrl+a/e/h working everywhere
It doesn't actually get you laid

>>56130964
Programming as a service can theoretically make you more money than software as a product, and neither can make as much money as software as a service boosted by free infrastructure (standards, protocols, operating systems)

>>56130344
>outdated packages
Which?
>no auto-completion
No.
>launchd is terrible
Why?
>have to download xcode (4GB) to use git (18KB)
No.

>>56127709
They are more expensive than they need to be. This is because of the mystique they are are attempting to cultivate. It's not about the machine or what's in it, it's about asthetics and brand. Is not like Linux ricing threads where the design was focus tested and it's identical on every Mac. We appreciate the fact that some work and time had went into making your desktop look unique. For Macs is all about the futurist brand.
This is also why it's 'impossible' to fix Mac computers.
Honestly they're fine if you find yourself with an overabundance of income, no compassion for the third world and the willingness to buy into the slightly culty vibe.

We just aren't into that here.

>>56131089
Did you forget you already shitposted itt? >>56128981

>>56131106
>>56128997

>>56131138
dementia.

>>56131067
>Which
Text editors and shells are big ones, since most people carry over their config files and scripts from machine to machine and are used to linux and BSDs having the latest - while OS X sits in a corner refusing to package anything that's GPL3'd.

>>56131120
>>56129011

>>56131138
>>56129037

>>56131162
>>56129051

>>56131189
>>56129072

>>56127687
They hide the knowledge to properly repair their products from the consumer so you have to send your crap in to "authorized repair". Meaning they replace the entire logic board of a computer with one bad cap and charge you 800 dollars with no data. Best company ever

>>56127687
good laptops, bad desktops

>>56131242
When you post six walls of text, then do it again in the same thread hours later, it's shitposting.

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>Discussion
>suddenly someone copies and pastes from stallman's site instead of linking it

retarded autist
or
apple shill trying to kill the thread?

>>56131246
>good laptops

I miss my thinkpad now more than ever

>>56131246
The iMacs are pretty great

>>56131264
In practice, a macbook could function up there. Lelnovo just paid for mil-spec testing and therefore got the contract.

>>56131272
It's a great deal for an okay screen and a shitty computer

>costs as much as a monitor with the exact same panel

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like a really nice new car there is sticker shock

if all you do is go back and forth from work and the grocery store (shitpost and facebook) then you don't really need a $1500 computer, if you use it to make your living and you can make it last 2 or 3 years it's not a bad buy for something you are going to use several hours per day

they are not "shit" they are kind of like a honda vs a mercedes

most people don't need nor would appreciate the mercedes vs the honda

ther merc is sweet though

>>56131311
>muh screen
I'm not a graphics designer, I'm just discussing all-in-ones.

>>>56131323
It's a decently priced all-in-one.

>muh specs
I know not everyone can work this way, but it's really nice using a server as your powerhouse. I can use an Atom N270 netbook or a desktop with an i7 and doing power hungry tasks works just as well because I work remotely.

>>56128128
>iPads - if you need a tablet, preferably for mom it's great

my mom can't figure out outlook but she sells shit on ebay using her ipad and is very fast with it

no idea how

>>56130453

Just like my windows!

>>56130396

infinality doesnt do it for you?

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>>56128252
>What I find interesting is how crazy the resale value are on apple products. Look up the prices on old macbooks. Pretty crazy how much you can get off a 5 year old laptop.

this, you can buy a new one for 1200 and sell it 4 years later for 5-600

insane

this brings the total cost of ownership way down

>>56131395
>This. Macs are basically Civics with bodykits.

that would be a thinkpad with linux

>>56131426
You can sell every year and upgrade to the newest model for a few hundred. It's like making a $1000 initial investment with a $200-$400/year upgrade to a brand new laptop

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>>56131448
>anti-Mac 12 year olds are so retarded they'd rather pay more for their shit just because they can

>>56127687
macbook pro + mac os is a nice combo
mac os + other devices = terrible
macbook pro + other os = terrible
also any mac without an ssd is unusable
windows with a hard drive is ok
linux with a hard drive is ok
but mac os with a hard drive (especially the shitty 5400ropm hard drives they give you in imacs) is absolutely unbearable

>>56131286
I never said I could argue any of them. Hell, I agree they're valid points. But to post them in every thread you possibly can (in this case he's posted them all twice), that's fucking shitposting.

>>56131286
>>56131434
Samefag

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>>56131448
>>mactoddlers are so poor they have to perpetually lease their memebooks

did you even read that post

how does high resale value = lease?

>>56131478
>>56131458

how much do you think the new ones coming out in 2 months will hurt the resale value of the 2015 rmbp?

>>56131485
>also any mac without an ssd is unusable

true of all new computers running a modern OS

>>56131564
>true of all new computers running a modern OS

Nope

OSX is the only OS using apples stupid filesystem

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>>56131577

if you use any new laptop with an ssd then go back to a 5400 hd you will be miserable in any OS

but it's a good thing all new macbooks use m.2 hds that are 4xfaster than typical ssds thus solving the issue forever

>>56131311
We at /g/, have carefully curated exhaustive lists about why Apple devices are the worst on the market.

Our collective obsession coupled with the inimitable skill of our shitposting artisans, truly reflect the honest opinion of our community as a whole.

We are truly proud of what we have achieved, it's an immense honour to be part of something greater.

Something that matters.

An endeavour that will be remembered as a valuable addition to what makes human kind truly exceptional.

>>56131372
That's nice, but not all heavy lifting can be farmed out to a server so easily.

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>>56131585
>But only mactoddlerOS is a steaming pile of shit on HDDs.

uh ok

considering you cant hookup a spinning hdd to any macpro made in .... years andssds are 70bucks for 256gb

noissue

>>56131627
Who are you quoting lmao?

>>56127709
to expensive for autists. Way better than anything they could ever afford. Only thing shit with them is non 120/144hz.

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>>56131721
>to expensive for autists. Way better than anything they could ever afford.

>>56130736
>waah homebrew's not good enough!
It's not.
>muh ganoo/linux iz so much better!
It is.

Posting facts with reddittyping doesn't consitute a counter-point to those facts, anon. I'm sorry you lost.

>>56131596
>if you use any new laptop with an ssd then go back to a 5400 hd you will be miserable in any OS

Wonderful job moving the goalposts macfag

>>56131779

but, but I didn't

what macs are sold with 5400 rpm hds?

>>56131625

Great, so 70 bucks for an ssd totally makes up for their shitty filesystem

Thanks apple, you really do make the worlds most advanced OS

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>>56131812

dream on

you are still using spinning drives as main boot drives in 2016?

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>>56131852

OH NO NOT MY OBS

OH NO I HAVE TO SPEND ONE SECOND UPGRADING

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>>56131890

wut

>>56131884
>1 second
It takes several hours. Why lie, anon? Are you that upset that people are pointing out valid flaws in something you like? It's part of growing up.

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>>56131940

>i have never used a mac, the post

>>56131962
>people who disagree with me are lying!

>>56131955
it takes 2 minutes. you aint got no ssd poorfag

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>>56131955
>It takes several hours. Why lie, anon?

lol

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ITT:

poorfags think macs ship with 5400 rpm hard drives and use shitty hardware

>>56132004

you know they ship with M.2 PCIe SSDs ..r..right?

>>56131982
It does anon. I had to update several macbooks and mac minis at work, each took around 3 hours between downloading and applying the update. Again, why are you lying about something anyone can check for themselves?

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>>56132034
>ITT: 12 yo mactoddler /b/tards think they or their fruity toddler toys belong on /g/

literally wat

>>56131807

You said no moder OSes are usable without an SSD

This is categorically bullshit, especially since OSXs shit file system is what makes an SSD so necessary in macs

>>56132036
>It does anon

no it doesn't anon

macbooks are the least annoying hardware to update ever made

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>>56132061
>You said no moder OSes are usable without an SSD

i said they are all annoying after using them with an SSD

try to remain calm

>>56131485
>also any mac without an ssd is unusable
Entirely false

>>56131613
Which is why I said
>I know not everyone can work this way

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>>56132056

>buying an imac
>not tossing in an SSD

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I have an older macbook with el capitan on it that has an old style HD

it's usable but i would rather have an SSD (true for all computers these days, it's just faster hardware, nobody is saying it's not)

>>56132088
>i said they are all annoying after using them with an SSD
>>56131564
>also any mac without an ssd is unusable
>true of all new computers running a modern OS

;^)

>>56132069
I never said it was a hassle, I said it took several hours because this is something I've tried on several machines and none took under 2 hours. The mac mini was around 2 because it used Ethernet to download. But yours totally took 5 seconds.

>>56131762
>It's not
Sure it is.
>It is
No it's not.

>>56132088
Why are you lying about what you said in a forum where your posts are recorded?

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>>56132135
>>56132135

for me that is true but i have grown used to SSDs

most makers still sell low end computers with spinning drives, what is your point?:

"you can still buy spinning drives"

yeah we know, who cares

the m.2s in the rmbp are the fastest laptop drives you can get stock from a computer maker, let's pretend that's not even happening though ok

:^)

>>56132155
>if I say no then I'm right!
Very mature anon.

>>56132134
What's a new style HD?

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>>56132143

it does it in the background i dont even remember doing it, my shit is up to date though

>other computers never need to be updated

oh

oh...ok

>>56132171
That's the exact same thing this fuckwit >>56131762 did, why aren't you making fun of him?

>>56127722
>beautiful computers
>>>/fa/
>>>/lgbt/

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>>56132168

You need an ssd in a mac for it to be usable because their filesystem is complete fucking garbage

If they had actually upgraded to ZFS like Apple was promising to do back in 2009/10, then you'd have a modern FS.

But nope, they make promises about fixing shit but still the same shitty HFS its always been that causes and endless amount of issues.

Even MS managed to sorta fix NTFS, why cant apple do the same?

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>>56132178

An m.2 PCIe SSD

http://www.computerworld.com/article/2900330/apple-mac/holy-smoke-the-new-macbook-literally-is-twice-as-fast.html

more than 1,400MBps for writes and more than 1,300MBps for reads.

that's faster than the fucking sata BUS times 3

>>56132181
They do, I never said they didn't. You claimed that it took a second, I said this was a lie and it took several hours. You said this wasn't true, now you're backtracking to "but the other OSs do it too".

You're essentially losing an argument after being caught lying.

>>56132223
>mactard bragging about ancient features that finally make it into applel toddler toys

Unsurprising.

>>56132223
>SSD is an HDD
You are beyond retarded

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>>56132218
>You need an ssd in a mac for it to be usable because their filesystem is complete fucking garbage

no you need it because you need it on any primary use man drive on any computer made today

that's like saying you need more than 1gb of ram because apple is shit

get real

>>56132256
you need more than 1gb of ram because apple is shit

>>56127767
>some models
Every single model of the Mac throttles except the Mac Mini.

>>56132193
>he started it, why only I get detention?
Very mature anon.

>>56132273
That's a nice link you've posted citing those claims, anon

>>56132223
>that's faster than the fucking sata BUS times 3
>PCIe SSD

Wow what is this advanced magic apple is doing?

An SSD on a PCIe lane? What new hotness XD

I bet itll take M$ years to have this revolutionary feature LMAO

>>56132256
>no you need it because you need it on any primary use man drive on any computer made today
Most computers don't run your fruity crippled bloated memeOS.

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>>56132223
>he thinks the point of ssds is bandwidth

tech iLliterate

>>56132001
See >>56127767

Also
>thinking that being able to buy apple hardware makes you rich
poorfag detected

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>>56132242
>ancient features

?

few new computers come with PCIe drives standard, and nearly all that do are over $1000

>thinks laptop PCIe drives that are 3-4x faster than the SATA bus are "ancient tech"

but wants macs to run on 5400 hdds

lol

>>56132218
>you need a SSD
>because the FS defaults to case insensitivity
wut

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>>56132273
>Every single model of the Mac throttles except the Mac Mini.

so?

most laptops throttle

>>56132256
>no you need it because you need it on any primary use man drive on any computer made today

Complete bullshit. Lots of use case scenarios where an SSD is pretty much worthless/overkill/money down the drain

>that's like saying you need more than 1gb of ram because apple is shit

Well when the base OS chugs with 2gb when nothing is running, then guess whose fault that is?

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>>56132331
>every single model mac except mini
>so what most laptops do too!

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>>56132293
>I bet itll take M$ years to have this revolutionary feature LMAO

it did take years for them to become prevalent on laptops even after apple made them standard in their lineup 3 years ago

>>56132306
>nearly all that do are over $1000

You mean like how nearly all macs are $1000+?

Shocking. I can't believe cheaper computers don't have PCIe SSDs, wtf apple is doing black magic?!?! How can they put them in their $1000+ computers just like everyone else?!?!!!!

>>56127767
The 5k iMac was cheaper than every standalone 4k and 5k display out at the time. That was a good selling point.

>>56132331
So you're way overpaying for the performance.

>>56132349
>>56132331
>laptops
>laptops
>laptops

So is this the only fucking retort macfags have nowadays?

I guess dumping the macpro for a fucking can was a great idea lel

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>>56132332
>Lots of use case scenarios where an SSD is pretty much worthless/overkill/money down the drain

lol no not in laptops

>>56132306
M.2 slots and drives have been available for years now, he was probably talking about that.

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>>56132379
>So is this the only fucking retort macfags have nowadays?

facts?

yeah

>>56132367
>Shocking. I can't believe cheaper computers don't have PCIe SSDs, wtf apple is doing black magic?!?! How can they put them in their $1000+ computers just like everyone else?!?!!!!

what are you even bitching about

>>56132381
>I dictate what you're allowed to do on a computer!

>>56132331
>most laptops throttle

Except we aren't talking about shitty $300 laptops

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>>56132379

For desktops and gaming mac is not the best option, i fully admit that, that can thing was sort of cute for a year but they need to replace it or just give up on the desktop game

laptops are where mac kills it

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>>56132349
>it did take years for them to become prevalent on laptops even after apple made them standard in their lineup 3 years ago

Yeah, too bad PCIe SSDs have been around for nearly a decade

Grats to apple for jumping on the bandwagon three years ago.

>>56132381
>lol no not in laptops

Ok, so what?

Does apple no longer make desktops or something ;^)

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>>56132379
You have to understand that Macfags mostly buy laptops, and use them as their only computers. They are dumb, poor, tech illiterate faggots and can't afford more. Also, the point of having a Mac is to show it off; they have no interest in more powerful but fixed offerings because you can't bring them to Starbucks.

>>56132408
A $1000+ computer having an m.2 ssd isn't special at all.

t. different guy

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>>56132430

thinkpads throttle

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>>56132442
>laptops are where mac kills it
At least you got one thing right.

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>>56132456
>Yeah, too bad PCIe SSDs have been around for nearly a decade

yeah ok kid, show me standard laptops with pci ssds standard from 2006

.....

nobody is defending that can, it's old tech and should be cut from the line

>>56132442
If you're all about "user experience" yes
if you're not and don't give a shit about pixel density and "look and feel"....
they're fucking trash

>>56132458
>i put a desktop together, installed drivers, and ran skyrim i'm so fucking tech literate how can you call yourself a techie if you don't have a gayming desktop hurr durr

you, with the macfags. get out. ree.

>>56132458
/thread

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>>56132458

most of us use macbooks for travel and a gaming tower for gaming and virtual machines and shit like that and servers for servers

not complex

hardware went downhill after mid/late 00s besides a feature or two
software has also gone downhill with minor improvements here and there
decent really but leaves a lot to be desired especially for money spent if you're not going hackintosh

>>56132466
>damage control
So you think saying that thinkpads throttle when I haven't mentioned them at all justifies $1000+ """""premium""""" computers' CPUs reaching 90+ degrees under load? Keep being delusional.

>>56132495
>if you're not and don't give a shit about pixel density and "look and feel"....
>they're fucking trash

yeah if you don't care about overall build quality they are totally trash

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>>56132520
>software has also gone downhill

but no

>>56132527
>So you think saying that thinkpads throttle when I haven't mentioned them at all justifies $1000+ """""premium""""" computers' CPUs reaching 90+ degrees under load? Keep being delusional.

name one high end laptop that does not throttle lol

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>muh premium materials

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>>56132520
>going hackintosh

IT"S SO AWFUL ILL BUILD MY OWN

lol

>>56132483
>yeah ok kid, show me standard laptops with pci ssds standard from 2006
>standard standard standard

Oh fucking please nigga

You've been able to buy SSDs and PCIe cards for them for a fucking decade.

But if you think apple making it a 'standard' in some of their models is what caused SSDs to become commonplace, then you are a fucking drone.

But if you think I'm full of shit, here ya go
>pcie ssd
>for a fucking eee pc
>in 2008
http://gizmodo.com/5060807/super-talent-releases-mini-pcie-ssds-specifically-for-asus-eee-pcs

>>56132531
Yeah, if you're not one of those idiots that confuses a hefty, solid feel with actual build quality they're trash.

>IT FEELS SO NICE IN MY HAND
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE HINGES WILL BE FUCKED IN FIVE YEARS
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT OVERHEATS
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE KEYS ARE MADE OF CHEAP PLASTIC AND WILL WEAR DOWN INSANELY FAST
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE CABLES ARE FLIMSY SHIT
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE LAPTOP ITSELF BENDS
>APPLE IS A MASTER OF BUILD QUALITY THE UNIBODY FEELS SO NICE IN MY HAND THERE'S NO PLAY OR FLEXING PLASTIC ANYWHERE
and then you have the clickpad which was simultaneously retarded and problematic enough for apple to get rid of it

>>56132520
>hardware went downhill after mid/late 00s besides a feature or two

This

When Apple went with intel the quality of their hardware started dropping

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>>56132573
>You've been able to buy SSDs and PCIe cards

for your laptop?

you are missing the point

>>56132551
>name one high end laptop that does not throttle lol
>moving goalposts

Not an argument but I'll give what you want: my n53sm from 2012 with a 2670qm.

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>>56132573
>But if you think I'm full of shit, here ya go
>>pcie ssd
>>for a fucking eee pc
>>in 2008
>http://gizmodo.com/5060807/super-talent-releases-mini-pcie-ssds-specifically-for-asus-eee-pcs

The drives read at 40 mbps, write at 10 mbps and come in NAND MLC or NAND SLC configurations.

YOU SHOWED ME LOL

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>>56132551
but yes

Not even Applel wants to use Applel shit software.

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>magsafe
>SAFE
>this shit

I went through fucking three of these chargers on a macbook pro c2d before the warranty ran out.

The things battery also expanded so much that it couldn't fit in the case. The replacement battery did the same.

Never again.

>>56132573
MACTARDS BTFO

>>56132603
Real computers actually can be opened and have spaces where additional hardware can be added. And yes, many laptops have additional miniPCIe space.

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>>56132603
>for your laptop?
>you are missing the point

What else would you call an eee pc?

Pic related.

Do you actually have a point to make?

Apple's laptops with PICE SSDs have shit everything else and sacrifice functionality and longetivity for thinness

What's the point?

>wow i sure am reading and writing data faster
>too bad my battery is glued in, my ram is soldered, and i have almost no ports
>*reaches into baggie of adapters*
>gee i better remember to make a backup and sell this to some sucker before the RAM dies or the battery degrades too much
>gotta keep up with the new models anyways because my hardware is too shit to be futureproof

>>56132607
>Not an argument but I'll give what you want: my n53sm from 2012 with a 2670qm.

http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?board_id=3&model=G73JH&id=20100417153934812&page=1&SLanguage=en-us

>>56132620
>The drives read at 40 mbps, write at 10 mbps and come in NAND MLC or NAND SLC configurations.

Yeah, its almost like SSDs have improved since 2008 or something.

Fucking crazy huh?

>>56132637

It was plenty clear that they stopped giving a fuck about professionals when the trashcan came out

>>56132620
No shit retard, that's what SSDs were like in 2008.

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>it's 2016 and laptops from 1990's can still be refreshed with brand new batteries while memebooks are hauled off the the landfill by the truckload after exploding and destroying the entire computer

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>>56132668
>Apple's laptops with PICE SSDs have shit everything else and sacrifice functionality and longetivity for thinness

except for the screen, trackpad, OSX, warranty that is taken care of in person locally, overall build quality and ease of use, battery life to size ratio and power of the rmbp to run virtual machines/do real work

>>56132685
>Yeah, its almost like SSDs have improved since 2008 or something.

almost like you cant get on the pcie bus on most laptops to take advantage while apple has been there for 3 years

>>56132705
>No shit retard, that's what SSDs were like in 2008.

no point in being on pcie if you were slower than the sata bus

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>>56132723
(You)

>>56132723
>fisherprice botnet malwareOS
>real work

>>56132707
>It's 2016 and a company that bases its business model off brainless consumerism isn't building for long-term use

Color me surprised

Apple wants to be a status symbol. You ONLY buy a new apple product. You NEVER use an old apple product when new apple products are being made. They don't want the "complete poorfag" market, or even the "thrifty richfag" market. They want the "users who are living advertising for their brand image" market.

>>56132723
>screen
Gimmick unrelated to productivity for people that aren't worthless artists
>trackpad
overrated and does not work when wet
>overall build quality
lol
>and ease of use
LOL
>battery life TO SIZE RATIO
size has little practical impact on portability if you are not a fucking woman who needs to put everything in a tiny fashionable purse. it's a laptop, not a phone.
>rmbp
>power
LOL
it has the bare minimum of power.

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>>56132742
(you)

>I hate fast laptops that work nicely

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build
quality

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>>56132756
>14:44:44

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>>56132764
>>screen
>Gimmick unrelated to productivity for people that aren't worthless artists

let me guess it's a gimmick till everyone else gets up to that res, then it's necessary.....

64k is enough for anyone....

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>>56132767
>toddlerbooks
>fast

If macintrash is so good, why are they slower than Acer?

>>56132740
>almost like you cant get on the pcie bus on most laptops to take advantage while apple has been there for 3 years

Bitch please

I put an ssd in the expresscard slot in my macbook pro, back in 2007.

Its almost like ssds and laptops have been a thing for a while now.

>>56132773
BUT IT FEELS SO NICE IN YOUR HANDS

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They're nicely built and have an OS that takes some getting used to but the major complaints are that it's way way way over priced for what you get and they tend to be limited and locked down because Apple. Also a lot of software is paid since a lot of Mac users pay for software.

>>56132808

yawn

>>56132813
>I put an ssd in the expresscard slot in my macbook pro, back in 2007.

well good for you

were you getting 2000MB/s?

>>56132833
>cold metal
>feels nice

Pick one.

>>56132791
The pixel density IS a gimmick. I guess it has practical implications for chinks and "artists", but you're not doing anything important if you're working in a chink language or doing digital "art". The world runs on english, business, and STEM.

>>56132842
macbooks warm up fast to make this a non-issue

and then they warm up too much, too fast

>>56132841
>has no argument

Case closed. Even macfags acknowledge macshit is worse designed than acer garbage.

>>56132842
>room temperature
>cold

Pick one.

>>56132861

lol

>>56132860
>and then they warm up too much, too fast
kek

>>56132842
I like touching cold metal

>>56132842
Cold metal is nice you retard.

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>>56132860

GUI is a gimmik

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>>56127687
There's three Macbooks:

Plain: worse than celeron piece of shit with the worst keyboard in the history of computing

Air: same 1366x768 TN piece of shit you find on $200 craptops, and it's glossy on top of that

Pro: if you try to use the high end hardware they cram into it, it catches fire

They're all utter shit, and only a moron would buy any of them.

>>56132675
>G73JH
>say that I have an n53sm
>retard posts a gayman laptop that is two years older

You sure showed me

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>>56132842

>arguing for plastic

>>56132841
>were you getting 2000MB/s?

And why does that matter?

Apple did not invent the PCIe standard. They did not invent SSD+PCIe.

What did they do that no one else did?

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>>56132915
>Pro: if you try to use the high end hardware they cram into it, it catches fire

this is what poorfags actually believe

>>56132905
>Mactoddler misses the point, thinks i'm talking about something else

figures.

go watch steven universe and jerk off to fat old dudes you gay baby

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>>56132937
>>were you getting 2000MB/s?

yes

>And why does that matter?

because it's fast as balls and helps you run Virtual Machines and do everything with less stress and heat for the machine

you are asking me why a 2000MB/s hard drive is desirable?

really?

you must not do real work on your machine

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>>56132969

samefag

color monitors are a gimmick outside in STEM

kek desu

>>56132948
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7618284?start=0&tstart=0
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5823810?tstart=0

>thinking that owning apple hardware makes you rich
>having a Mcjob

Why is the mactoddler dumping his /b/ folder while shitposting?