BSD And Other Things

>>56037254
FreeBSD fucked up their security and OpenBSD has no nonfree drivers and softeares.

The only hope was FreeBSD and it's finished

How's laptop support in OpenBSD? I've got Intel wireless, Intel graphics, pretty normal stuff I think. Might try it out.

>>56037389
>no nonfree drivers and softeares

having no non-free drivers is a good thing.

wtf is softeares

>>56037254
When people say "Linux has messy code, I've looked at BSD's source and I'm never going back" what do they actually mean?

>>56037859
Linux mainly gets moat of its code contribution from red hat, gnu and volunteer developers. There is less of a code standard to keep and having code from so many differeblnt people makes it messy. Linux also has a lot of binary blobs for running certain things. Bsd is usually more portable and has a higher code standard.

>>56037859
The BSDs are all different so there's no general rule with that. Usually with the BSDs in order to contribute you have to be a trusted developer or a trusted developer has to approve your contribution and if it sucks they have to help you fix it. The BSDs strictly enforce certain formatting so the code is said to be more consistent in general. I think that's probably what people refer to. Then again there's probably a lot of devs that go back and forth between them and don't care.

>>56037714
>no drivers is a good thing
OpenBSD is a meme. If I were a freetard I'd just use parabola anyways.

>>56038493
>No proprietary drivers means no drivers

That's not how it works.

Nice dead general

Also just switch to Linux already

>>56037714
I disagree, hardware manufacturers have right to keep the software that interacts with their hardware secret. Applying strong policies towards all the drivers is a better choice.

>>56038756
>not wanting all hardware to be open-source hardware
People like you shouldn't be allowed to live on this planet.

>>56038801
>you have to make your software and hardware completely by my rules, even if you designed it!

No. All the openbsd developers can do is write their own open source code to support the hardware and backport some code from the linux kernel.

>>56038801
Bigot.

>>56037389
All OS suck. And all have holes. At least the freebsd team is fixing them and changed their policies.

Anytime you connect a system to the Internet you are bound to run into problems.

>>56038959
>run OpenBSD and use a limited user with a home in /tmp with Chromium and DWM
>never run into any issues ever
>any exploits that manage to get past OpenBSD's SSP can't escalate and my system is safe anyways
>every reboot wipes the temp user out so no issues with malware persistence
Sure is comfy.

>>56038959
It's not just about the code vulnerability, but the unethical practices behind it. The developers of most other operating systems don't publicly disclose exploits and it sometimes takes them months to years to fix them. This is just unacceptable if you want good security.

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> cuck license and other things

>>56040761
It's funny how you say cuck license, because despite companies supposedly not contributing back, most BSD's still see a ton of development and progress.

Suggest me comfy BSD-based OS, i want learn something new.

>>56041755
FreeBSD, OpenBSD. GhostBSD, MidnightBSD, HardenedBSD.... the list goes on.

>>56040784
>ton of development and progress
there's no need to lie on the internet

>>56037389
Why isn't /g/ working to fix FreeBSD?

>>56042410
A lot of free and commercial operating systems use parts of BSD in their core codebase. Open SSH which came from OpenBSD is included by default in linux. OpenBSD is also responsible for a lot of innovations in security and networking, as is freeBSD with openZFS.

Chances are you're already using BSD software without realising it.

>>56037698
very likely to work

>>56042410
the burden of proof is on you

I'm just gonna bump because every general deserves a chance to succeed.

>>56037254
Friendly reminder Netflix runs their servers on FreeBSD 10.2 and their webservers Nginx

>>56037389
Had to switch ~20servers of FreeBSD to OpenBSD because their security.

>>56037389
>The only hope was FreeBSD and it's finished

God your dumb.

>>56037698
Thinkpads or bust

>>56037389
>nonfree drivers

Try filing a LINUX bug report involving your precious binary shits. Good luck retard.

Dragonfly BSD just removed what was left of their Linux compatibility layer

http://lists.dragonflybsd.org/pipermail/commits/2016-August/624241.html

The compatibility layer was largely non-functional because it required i386 which Dragonfly has not supported in a while.

>>56048002
Oh they also removed some 32bit only drivers

https://www.dragonflydigest.com/2016/08/11/18523.html

>>56037859
>what do they actually mean

They mean it runs all the root name servers of the entire internet, the space station microgravity, the biggest video streaming on the planet (netflix).

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>>56038493
>memes

idiot

>>56039011
there are no exploits dumbshit because all your services are in base and secure. if for whatever reason you're running services out of ports you should probably have a good reason and hopefully know what you're doing. OpenBSD is a UNIX-like and performs related tasks just fine.

>>56038801
mah nigga.

also i got a black box that other guy can plug into his network. can't tell you what it does but that's my right.

>>56038597
That's exactly how it works in many broadcom, realtek and Nvidia chips. Come out of your basement and you'll know why people don't bother with BSD, specially with OpenBSD garbage

>>56048196
>buy proprietary hardware
>use GNU/Linux the OS of freetards

>>56048196
OpenBSD devs speak all around the world and brush shoulders with the top security researchers in the world.

Keep fixing your nvidia drivers so you can game in your basement.

>>56048196
>people don't bother with OpenBSD

5:15 faggot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOv62lBdlXU

also DEFCON uses OpenBSD for their network

>>56048227
Exactly. Why the fuck won't you install proprietary drivers in proprietary hardware. Such retards

>>56048244
At least I have drivers and I don't have to run my OS in a fucking virtual machine, manchild

>>56048255
Get the fuck out

>>56048294
>At least I have drivers and I don't have to run my OS in a fucking virtual machine, manchild
no one runs openbsd in a vm retard

>>56048327
No one runs OpenBSD because there are no drivers and has less softwares than Linux. It can't even do proper hardware assisted windows virtualization. Doesn't have ZFS.


There is zero reason to use OpenBSD

>>56041755
My first was OpenBSD then FreeBSD.

Which is a good OS for a private laptop for everyday use (no vidya/no Photoshop) and use only my dedicated Mac to do such media work (which runs a BSD).

>>56048349
>There is zero reason to use OpenBSD

Good. Don't. It just makes it just more valuable to know. If you don't understand its worth then enjoy your career of dealing with Office365 support call center.

There are drivers. It's developed on Thinkpads but it runs on enterprise hardware you obviously never laid eyes on.

>>56048394
>Which is a good OS for a private laptop for everyday use

I would use Debian. Secure and Stable. Virtually no maintenance.

>>56048402
>There are drivers. It's developed on Chinkpads
Sure thing buddy, showed me real well from your basement

Remove yourselves from BSD threads, OpenBSD is a useless garbage

>>56048402
>There is zero reason to use OpenBSD
>"Good. Don't. It just makes it just more valuable to know"
There - there's that snowflake syndrome. What a Joke

>>56048474
There is just no getting around it. If you think OpenBSD is useless you're beyond clueless.

>>56048503
What usage does OpenBSD have, my snowflake friend?

>>56048002
>>56048024
Is it possible to run HAMMER on a non amd64 arch?

I'm asking because a lot of BSDs are considering a port.

>>56048474
> standing out among your peers in a career is a joke

>>56048519
name a daemon, it exists

>>56048526
No being a pretend hipster is a joke. What do you have with BSD that other OS' doesn't have? Are you running OpenBSD exclusively in your laptops, work machines and desktops?

>>56048522
HAMMER(1) relies on Dragonfly's kernel so it's not very portable unfortunately.

HAMMER2 is supposed to be easier to port and have more functionality and also support larger volumes but it's still under heavy development though.

>>56048576
>Are you running OpenBSD exclusively in your laptops, work machines and desktops?

I don't recall ever arguing for OpenBSD exclusivity. You called it garbage.

>>56048609
Yes it is, even you are not using it anywhere but your toy laptop

>>56048576
>What do you have with BSD that other OS' doesn't have?
i literally don't care and use it out of preference, you fucking retard

why don't you understand that some people have preferences?

>>56048645
You do know all your precious binary drivers are unsupported by all distros and vanilla upstream kernel.

>>56048645
Now you're building a straw man.

>>56048692
the funny thing is he's probably the guy who keeps going "muh cuck license" while using binary drivers

freetards are some of the most intellectually dishonest people

>>56048576
Why do people prefer GNU/Linux when they could just use Windows?

Personally I appreciate that different operating systems have different ways to accomplish some things. None of them are necessarily better than another just different and it's all based on opinions

>>56048692
>binary drivers are unsupported by all distros
What?

>>56048707
Oh there you go, because anyone that points out how useless your shit is "that one shitposter".

Paranoid loser

>>56048707
no he's just a "power user" tier gamer from /v/ who is unwilling to learn.

>>56048725
lol every time someone calls you out on it you always say they're paranoid too

shut the fuck up, retard

>>56048716
Because it's free and it is ACTUALLY improving while BSD is left dead

>>56048725
"works" is not the same as "supported".

>>56048744
>Because it's free
so is BSD

and don't give me the cuck license bullshit, even the FSF approves of the license

>BSD is left dead
yeah, shame someone had to fork OpenSSH because BSD is dead, Netcraft

>>56048744
>BSD is left dead
Yeah man. Picking up the OpenSSL flag, BSD sure isn't contributing these days. (sarcasm)

>>56048757
see >>56048705

>>56048765
It is left dead. Linux usage is increasing while BSD was there BEFORE Linux. Why? Because Linux is becoming usable and it's taken seriously. Not just because of "muh preference"

>>56048779
You are right, Theo admits that they are way behind the line of the latest technology. Hardware vendors killed OpenBSD with their monopoly

>>56048744
>ACTUALLY improving

Linux and BSD improving is not mutually exclusive retard.

>>56048815
>Why? Because Linux is becoming usable and it's taken seriously
>Linux is becoming usable
im dying

every year the linux userland gains more and more abstractions that make it more and more unusable

>>56048815
>>56048836
also
>it's taken seriously
yeah openssh is literally just a prank

the code literally does nothing but return 0 and its included with almost every unix-like operating system, what a prank

>>56048836
Keep dying while BSD is finished for good while Linux becomes a viable OSX alternative

>>56048815
>BSD was there BEFORE Linux
uh BSD was in a legal battle with At&T retard.

>>56048858
>BSD is finished for good
>while this page exists:
http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/contributors.html

>>56048858
BSD is dying. Hilarious. The meme I've been hearing since 1998.

>>56048891
well, netcraft confirmed it

it must be true

>>56048910
It's Friday too! Good laugh.

>>56048857
Is OpenSSH that why people has to use BSD? OpenSSH is avilalble in Linux, and so is LibreSSH

>>56048891
True, no one took it seriously, never will

>>56048815
>Hardware vendors killed OpenBSD with their monopoly

Yeah because OpenBSD was always a threat, they coerced their engineers to defeat it.

>>56048960
>Is OpenSSH that why people has to use BSD?
i literally never said that, learn how to read

what i said is openbsd develops it, but apparently no one takes it seriously, so why do other operating systems use SSH?

>>56048971
don't bother there is either a language barrier or something worse. not to be an asshole, he just a lost cause at this point.

>>56048966
Well it is not a threat anymore, now that's it's irrelevant

>>56048971
Because three's is no point in re-inventing the wheel? Are you pretending to be an idiot?

>>56049012
> UNIX is irrelevant

thats all folks.

>>56049012
>Because three's is no point in re-inventing the wheel?
never said there was
>Are you pretending to be an idiot?
are you? that was never my argument, you do know that, right?

>>56049032
>Never said there was
What? You are the one who brought up OpenSSH

Okay let's start over. Why BSD?

>>56049082
>What? You are the one who brought up OpenSSH
you're the one who said "no one takes BSD seriously"

then i gave you the one of the reasons people take BSD seriously

>Okay let's start over. Why BSD?
because i like it, why is that so hard for you to get?

i'm done with you

Why can't you folks get over yourselfs? If people want to use BSD let them go for it, if you don't like it then stop crying. I don't personally use it but can understand why people do.

Does BSD have good AMD GPU drivers yet?

>>56049128
define "good"

it runs on my radeon card, so it's good for me

>>56049098
>>Okay let's start over. Why BSD?
>because i like it
Very compelling

>>56049128
Latest AMD cards has no drivers for BSD.

>>56049162
>Very compelling
tell me why i absolutely need to convince you

if you like linux, stay on there and shut the fuck up

>>56049171
Because you pretend that BSD is remotely usable for daily tasks

>>56049186
Is this from experience?

>>56049186
and you pretend everyone's daily tasks are the same

>>56049128
FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, and Dragonfly all support the radeon FRM drivers from Linux so the support is decent but they tend to lag a few versions behind the Linux kernel. Dragonfly is probably the closest to the Linux kernel

>>56049231
>FRM drivers
DRM* drivers

>>56049211
Yes I used PC-BSD, one that derives from FreeBSD.

>>56049216
What are your daily tasks?

>>56049272
>What are your daily tasks?
browsing the internet and programming, same thing i always did on windows

sometimes i post here and watch youtube videos

>>56049295
Now office tasks, printing, virtualizing, gaming or anything? So why use BSD when there is Linux or Windows?

>>56049370
>office tasks
libreoffice or LaTeX
>printing
don't have a printer
>virtualization
soon
>gaming
it's shit on linux too unless the game is open source
>anything
???

>>56049408
>>virtualization
>soon
INNOVASHUN!

>>56049418
what?

now you're just spouting memes

don't act like you don't come here every day

>>56049408
>>virtualization
>soon

What dod you mean? Disregard that other loser

>>56049440
well freebsd as bhyve already

openbsd will have vmm, which aims to be compatible with KVM from what i know

>>56049462
Behyve can't do PCIe passthrough to windows

>>56049478
then learn C and make it happen

ugh.
OP, why do you keep making these threads?
I come to /g/ JUST looking for this thread
and then I skim over it and see it is just a bunch of people saying "it's not relevant anymore!" "it's ded!" "muh driver support!". Barely any BSD-related discussion whatsoever. Dis fucking gusting.

>>56050295
Nice way of bumping own dead thread, OP

So anyone here like PC-BSD? It's user friendly Unix with Gnome 3, .pbi installer files, and all the goodies of FreeBSD. Also it's more stable than Linux!

Just use OSX

It's the only successful and viable desktop BSD

>>56048278
Would be cool if they made a video of that

>>56048278
i love how he always avoids evidence like this

>>56049137
Tell us the model of your shitty GPU, bitch

>>56051559
don't be so rude

If OpenBSD cucks don't want nonfree drivers how do they run on latest CUPs that require proprietary microcode??

Is OpenBSD viable as a seedbox? Last time I tried was a pain in the fucking ass.

>>56051602
CPU*

And what about the printer/scanner or realtek drivers?

>>56051602

microcode is not a driver.

>>56049100
I can't understand why people do

>>56051602
code doesn't run in the kernel

but good luck running linux-libre ;^)

>>56051614
how? it's like any other UNIX-like, you install rtorrent and use either NFS or samba to access the seedbox, no?

>>56051573
Please

>>56051628
Non free softwares don't run on OpenBSD

>>56051675
are you retarded?

>>56051688
probably but in a way he's right

proprietary software exclusively targets windows, osx and linux these days

>>56051650
Rtorrent runs fine, the problem was when I tried to install rutorrent. I think the jails were fucking with my configuration.

Some rutorrent plugins did execve on php, so there's that...

>>56051712
that's weird, rtorrent should not be running as a privsepped user out of the box

normally that's a thing you do yourself, actually

>>56051688
Will VMware, steam or foxit reader run?

>>56051745
It was not. Rutorrent, which is a web interface to rtorrent, was the one I was having problems with.

I was really sad that I had to replace it with Debian.

>>56051825
oh you are most likely very right then

httpd in openbsd is privilege separated, yeah

i don't think you can get around it either

>>56051867
Yeah, I had better luck with nginx, but 70%of the plugins were broken.

Might try again in a few months.

>>56051614
dude if you can't run an openbsd seedbox you may as well use itunes.

>>56053408
Or just use Linux because its easier.

emerge transmission
systemctl enable transmission-daemon.service

>>56037389
Noob here, how did FreeBSD fuck up their security?

>>56053452
it was a recent ordeal with their freebsd-update tool, which is their new tool for binary update of base.

>>56053472
But it is fixed now, yes?

>>56051115

Defcon 19. network operation panel. find it.

I was there in person. a panel member passed out from fatigue/tiredness (shit was hilarious, he fought it for so long). they explicitly said they run OpenBSD on everything. it's probably not on youtube because its boring.

defcon network is a big deal too, for a couple days.

>>56053502
I guess. depends how you define "fixed". its all over tech news. i'm sure there is a list thread of it as well.

>>56053502
i don't think so

even if they did the freebsd defaults are so fucking poor

https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-announce/2016-August/001739.html

>>56053505
He wanted to get his OS working in time for DefCon.

>>56053548
what

>>56053439
he explicitly mentioned openbsd being a difficult seedbox you dumbfuck

>>56053548
oh hah i think i detected the joke.

actually he was just tired. lots of adventures in vegas that weekend.

>>56053502
No

>>56053581
Stop projecting macfag.

cringe:

The Security team is working on redesigning freebsd-update and portsnap to do
signature verification on all downloaded files before they are processed by
libarchive/tar, bspatch, or any other utilities.

>>56053675
>The Security team is working on

not core team? wtf

>>56040761
Who is this whore? :)

>>56047192
I always hear about openbsd's FBI backdoor. What's your opinion on this?

>>56048573
The guy you're arguing with probably doesn't even know what a daemon is... Probably thinks it's the freebsd mascot lol

>>56054061
The alleged backdoor has never been found despite multiple rounds of audits. The OpenBSD devs believe it's possible there was a backdoor at one point but it never made it through the review process, or if it did it was inadvertently removed during one of their regular code audits, or it was replaced by a better piece of code at one point.

>>56040761
Send her to me I need to show her something

> It's my dingus :^)

>>56054061
They found "bugs" upon investigation and got rid of it

>>56054317
>They found "bugs" upon investigation and got rid of it

yeah okay. -RELEASE is there forever. show us the offending code.

>>56054317

it's OPEN because all commits are public. there are no secret bugs

>>56053439
>emerge
>systemctl
Disgusting. Install Windows Server.

>>56037389
>OpenBSD has nonfree drivers
Bait/10

>>56037698
Great

>>56053505
This one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT2vd1cAgek ?

>>56037254
>BSD
Enjoy your non-free software.

>>56055764
>he says as the BSD licenses are FSF approved even if the FSF are crazy nutjobs

I wish BSD threads didn't just devolve into pointless stupid bickering every single time they're made.

>>56055773
https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.en.html

point to your BSD On the list faggot

>>56055773
https://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html

"""
Some Other Distros

Here we discuss some well-known or significant non-GNU/Linux system distros that do not qualify as free.

BSD systems

FreeBSD, NetBSD, and OpenBSD all include instructions for obtaining nonfree programs in their ports system. In addition, their kernels include nonfree firmware blobs.

Nonfree firmware programs used with Linux, the kernel, are called “blobs”, and that's how we use the term. In BSD parlance, the term “blob” means something else: a nonfree driver. OpenBSD and perhaps other BSD distributions (called “projects” by BSD developers) have the policy of not including those. That is the right policy, as regards drivers; but when the developers say these distributions “contain no blobs”, it causes a misunderstanding. They are not talking about firmware blobs.

No BSD distribution has policies against proprietary binary-only firmware that might be loaded even by free drivers.

"""

>>56055782
you do know that the only reason openbsd is not on this list is because you can easily install non-free software on it if you wanted to? stallman made a big stink about that on the openbsd mailing lists

that's right, the "muh freedoms" guy doesn't want freedom

as for the firmware blobs, don't use the hardware and openbsd will literally not download them

You guys realize you can go into the key registries of Win10 and disable the encrypted bin files from being sent anywhere, disable and uninstall cortana, and so forth?

>>56055801
yes

the only problem is that its irrelevant to this thread

>>56055795
Like I said in the beginning:

Enjoy your non-free software :) Also, BSD projects do not support Coreboot. So, enjoy your non-free bios too you literal faggot. Why so salty?

>>56055824
>faggot faggot faggot salty xD
are all freetards this childish

>>56055764
>being a freetard
Your opinion's not valid, go circlejerk in /flt/

>>56050295
At this point it'd just be better to make an irc channel and discuss stuff there instead. It's pointless to discuss BSD here, pretty much every thread is ruined by the same fag.

>>56055830
the funniest thing is i bet he doesn't even use the recommended GNU distros

i don't think linux-libre can actually run

>>56055785
>>56055782
>freetards can't read
What a surprise.

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>>56055828
>>56055830
>>56055836
lol you weak niggers are so easy to troll. i just saw your thread and knew i would get instant reactions if i acted like a twat. thanks for hte laugh.

>>56055839
i do tho, libreboot x200

>>56055839
It can run though, I've used linux libre in the past, it's not as bad as people make it out to be. /g/ blows things out of proportion and exaggerates how 'broken' certain things are a lot of times, linux libre is pretty usable and functional.

>>56055860
Trolling's against the rules outside of /b/. Of course I'm going to reply when you're shitting up my thread, I'm fucking sick of it.

>>56055860
>hehe i was only pretending to be a moron hehehe xdddd
>dont mind me ruining your thread guys, i was just memeing!!!

fuck off

>>56055860
>devuan
isn't that based on debian, which has non-free repos

*gasp* a linux distro that gives choice to its users? it must be trying to destroy freedom!

>>56055877
clearly i give a fucking shit about the rules nigger. i just reboot my modem

>>56055883
no, retard its debian without systemd.

>>56055885
> i just reboot my modem
what a sad, pathetic existence

>no, retard its debian without systemd.
so based on debian then

>>56055885
>clearly i give a fucking shit about the rules nigger. i just reboot my modem

WOW, you sure showed me dude. I bet you are're a part of a anonymouse too!

anyway faggots i'll be back tomorrow to drop some really weak bait in the water and watch how many bites i get. fucking easy.

you're so fucking gay, think about it. make a BSD thread on the worst tech board in the internet. you sit there poised with your fingertips at the keys ready to defend it against fucking any comment, literally any comment.

my feet up on the desk kekking. look how much defensive angst we got in here. get some pussy


>>56055893
lol literal faggot


captcha:
>1000 OS

>>56055885
>I love shitting up the board
Do you enjoy being a subhuman scumbag?

>>56055911
you're so fucking gay, think about it. watch the worst tech board on the internet for BSD threads. you sit there poised with your fingertips at the keys ready to shit on it every day non-stop

>get some pussy
>goes on /g/
>uses linux
i doubt you did either

>>56055911
>on the worst tech board

Because of idiots like you who'd rather spout memes and troll instead of having a genuine discussion. Go back to /b/ or whatever shithole you came from.

>>56055927
You're clearly underage, stop posting immediately. This is an 18+ website.

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>you will never be able to play video games on openBSD other than openTTD and higan

>>56055939
not like you could play much more than that on any linux distro that isn't a debian derivative without a shitty hacked up steam client

>>56055964
epic xD

>>56055939
Super Famicom games are fun though.

>>56055964
>>>/b/

>>56055984
This. Emulators provide more than enough games. Hell I've got modern consoles and I most of my time gaming is spent on SNES and PS1 games

BSD *sigh*

I wish people took ir seriously so it was under active development

>>56056100
It is under active development, retard. Subscribe to the mailing lists.
I do, however, wish they used usenet instead of mailing lists. Mailing lists are like a poor man's usenet.

>>56056135
they're easy as fuck to archive though

not only that, but any mail client can read them, you don't have to pay, diffs are really easy to send over mailing lists

probably more reasons why they're better but i can't think of them right now

>>56056146
There are loads of Usenet archives. Many email clients are also news clients. There are multiple free usenet providers, if you don't want to run your own server. Diffs aren't difficult to send over usenet either.
Also, usenet isn't mutually exclusive from email, as you often leave an email address in your posts for when people need to quickly reply solely to you.

>>56056200
didn't you have to pay for usenet too though? i know you do now

>interested in BSD, thinking of installing
>check out thread
>everyone on BSD acts like an asshole
>nope

>>56056100
This. Its painful to see the dead project struggling to survive. Nothing these days are developed for Linux _let alone_ BSD

its been riding off Linux by porting their packages - Linux packages being open and all. BSD failed to give people reasons to install over Linux. Now not even hardware manufacturers wont release drivers for them.


RIP

>>56056230
then you didn't read the thread

>>56056230
We didn't want you anyway.

>>56056230
Insecurity. Every bsd users have it

>>56056251
which is why you have to come in here and tell us that every day

^^^ annnnnnd this is why I'll refer people to linux mint.

>>56056216
No.
http://www.eternal-september.org/
There are multiple free usenet providers.

>>56056280
>^^^
>mint
Troll or ledditor, here's your (You)

>>56055939
Except it's very possible to play games on openbsd through emulators (higan isn't the only one), virtual machines (which will become much better once openbsd finishes its own hypervisor). Don't act like gaming on linux is any better, the only thing linux has over bsd is proprietary drivers.

>>56056423
wow what a prick

Do people really use BSD as an every day driver? isn't BSD just an edge meme for servers?

>>56056846
OpenBSD is my main OS. Windows formerly was.

>>56056846
I use it on my laptop, netbook, and UMPC. Only reason I don't run it on my desktop is one program. Once that program stops working I'll be running OpenBSD on my everything

Holy shit I just found this https://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/libreboot/2016-04/msg00010.html. I might actually have a cup of coffee in the morning and try to navigate my way through an install.

>>56056869
Which program?

>>56056950
Opera 12.16

>>56056869
hey moron, sage in the name field doesn't do anything

>>56056981
No fucking shit, it ended up there automatically from when I was saging in both name and option fields in another thread.

>>56057005
autism

>>56057012
The fuck are you on about? You're the one who called me out for not knowing how to use the website when I was actually doing it properly. Fucking dumbass.

>>56057068
have you considered anger management i think it could benefit you

>>56056962
That feel. I already gave up on it since browser sniffing exists and websites do the worst things imaginable.
Now I just use whatever the latest ff and chrome packages are.

>>56057074
I'm not even remotely angry.

>>56057081
I refuse to just use Firefox. I'm sticking with Opera till either a proper alternative comes along or it simply no longer works with the modern web. Given it died three years ago, it's probably going to end up being the latter.

>>56057111
Maybe some year someone will make a web browser that efficiently follows standards and rejects nonstandard webpages.
It'd be a speedy and tiny browser.

>>56057147
That's not even that big of a deal to me. I mean, I like that Opera does that, but the reason I won't use anything else is Opera's abundance of features. If someone released a Gecko browser that was a clone of all of Opera's features I'd switch in a heartbeat

>>56057176
Ahh, I see. I'm more of the opposite, I'm okay with my browser and IRC and usenet clients being separate.
I liked how Opera actually supported more 4.01 semantics tags.

how can I use two mice @ once on bsd

>>56057111
>I'm sticking with Opera till either a proper alternative comes along


There already is one. It's called Otter Browser.

bumpe.

>>56059085
bsd is contrarian shit, nobody cares, you're just posting this for attention because you think there are still people out there who will show up and be all "oh u use bsd, ur so cool, tell me more!"

bsdrone defence force is hilarious to see, go to any bsd link in this thread and it always ends like this
>Well, I don't use that, so BSD is never going to have it

seen this for graphics cards, printers, software made after 1995. BSD is literally the joke of what everyone thinks linux is, it's just a nothing system that dropouts "use" to soak up their time. Yes I'm sure bsd is more unix like and a much better "system" than linux, if you conveniently ignore the 0 software, drivers and the only thing you gave a shit about in the first place was pretending to do "computer science" after you've dropped out on your 18 year old thinkpad because it's the only thing that supports it

>>56055939
dopewars my friend :^)

>>56059692
What the fuck? I'm just bumping this thread because it's helpful and interesting. Take your linux bullshit to >>>/fglt/ where it belongs.

>>56055939
What about FreeCiv?

>>56057581
>Chromium based
no

bsd... why must you try to be so edge

>>56061296
Can you try making sense?

>>56057111
You could look into Xombrero if you want a minimal browser.

It's a webkit based browser done by some OpenBSD devs.

>>56061355
>I want a browser packed with features
>check out this minimal browser
That's the exact opposite of what I want.

>>56056251
I think it's a bit of hostility towards people who can't google their own problems too and not just insecurity.
Way too many people on /g/ don't even try to google their problems first before making a post and no, I don't use BSD (or Linux anyway) although I've used both in the past.

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>>56037254
>not using the original BSD girl as the official thread mascot
>not using a new pic from the set for each new thread
>not posting link to the original gallery in the OP
Fucking amateurs. This is absolutely disgraceful, I really don't know what to say.

>http://www.rayn.net/naked_girls/BSD-Devil/
http://www.rayn.net/naked_girls/BSD-Devil/
>http://www.rayn.net/naked_girls/BSD-Devil/
http://www.rayn.net/naked_girls/BSD-Devil/

>>56059692

what do you not understand? OpenBSD is *developed* on Thinkpads. It runs on various network hardware where it is most deployed. Just because they don't want non-free shit in their code doesn't mean all their users are freetards. They're just one of the few honest projects who don't believe the bullshit security fallacy of having all kinds of propreitary shit interoperating and still calling it "secure".

>>56061408
No it's mostly just trolls from /fglt/ sgitting up our thread every time ww make it. We don't shitpost in their general either and they're all breaking the rules but the mods don't seem to do anything.

>>56055744
yeah the guy with the green mohawk passed out. he was struggling to stay awake I felt so bad for the guy.

>>56051115

yeah heres your "evidence"
>>56055744

>>56063177
Does OpenBSD run well on the latest thinkpad models?

>>56064586
Usually that is where the development gets focused on. Most intel hardware works.

>>56064586
Doesn't run on Skylake yet, if the new chinkpads use it.

If you have an IBM one it will certainly run.

>>56056925
>https://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/libreboot/2016-04/msg00010.html

holy shit these instructions suck

>>56065218
Not compared to actually installing libreboot.

https://www.reddit.com/r/BSD/comments/4xkzek/bsd_users_are_cucks/
lmao isn't this the guy who's always calling people redditors

>>56065364
lol I just re-flashed my libreboot rom last week but this shit looks like a real headache

>>56065417
to be fair though, it was a pain in the ass. i had to go talk to people in IRC and read through mailing lists to get an error figured out

>>56065218
Yeah the title says 'detailed instructions' but the author skips over many details

How many open source games work on *BSD?

>>56066664
let me get that number for you right away FAGGOT

>>56066664
depends which BSD

http://openports.se/ take a look here for the openbsd ones

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>>56066664
you can be playing GTKBalls in no time

>>56056234
/thread

>>56067454
No

Thinking about moving from FreeBSD to OpenBSD after the portsnap exploit discussion. Any others?

>>56067867
The others are interesting curiosities, but I stayed for OpenBSD.

>>56056100
You need more people to know about it to have active development. The recent reoccurring /bsd/ general in the past few months are going to be already a great start to draw up interest in BSD

>>56068268
if anything the shitposters who are always spreading FUD here are a good thing, since it could lead more curious people to trying it to confirm if the FUD is real

What are the advantages of running your own unbound DNS instead of pointing to external DNS servers?

With my elementary understanding of DNS, the main advantage seems to be privacy since you're directly querying a root server instead of having a third party DNS server do it for you and potentially save and associate your requests with you.

>>56068691
that's pretty much it

it's also a bit more reliable, but you still depend on the root servers

you can block and redirect stuff too if you were running a larger network

>>56068719
>you can block and redirect stuff too if you were running a larger network
wonderful, I wanted to do this and don't want to deal with the obscure enterprise linux box that is my router. Rather have a dedicated DNS server so I know how unbound works
>that's pretty much it
so is it fair to say that you can trust root servers with your queries more than third partyDNS, because root servers don't have any interests outside of resolving your queries?

Thanks

>>56068776
>so is it fair to say that you can trust root servers with your queries more than third partyDNS, because root servers don't have any interests outside of resolving your queries?
as long as you're connected to the internet, you can never really trust anybody, that's just how it works unfortunately

if someone wants to find you, they will

>>56068798
>as long as you're connected to the internet, you can never really trust anybody, that's just how it works unfortunately
true indeed. I just assumed root servers were less likely to be malicious or harmful than funneling your requests through an ISP or mainstream DNS with an agenda

>>56068834
oh yeah, obviously i'd trust my own DNS way more than google's own

>>56068871
Right, makes sense. Well, time to set up unbound learn about DNSSEC then.

thanks for the input

>>56068268
That's part of the reason I try to keep these threads going.

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anyone help me understand building a BSD kernel with framebuffer support?

>>56069721
on openbsd? framebuffer support is very basic

there was some work done on a console framebuffer replacement but i think it stagnated, all you're left with is whatever your GPU gives you

How well are GPUs supported in openbsd? Will I run in problems if i use anything recent?

>>56070411
the older the better

nvidia wont work ever though

>>56070287
so can you point me to any information on building bsd.rd kernel with framebuffer support, have you ever done this yourself?

>>56070478
the most i did was modify the font and that was kind of buggy

>>56070485
thx anywayz