/tpg/ - ThinkPad General

what are the x220/x230 of latitudes?

X220/T530 says what up!

>>55958060
take off the letter and add e6 to the beginning.
that's the latitude equivalent.

Just ordered an X201, what am I in for?

>>55958127
Memes

>>55958042
Is the t430s worth an extra $50 over the t430?

>>55958072
whoa.jpg

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>>55942059
Funny, I had the same issue July last year on my X220t too. Probably related to the insane stresses the hinge places on the chassis. If you play with it while disassembled, you'll see things flex. There may be a few loose screws inside
I took it apart and put it back together and the issue went away for a year. Same issue popped up but in all my incompetence, the spring loaded mPCIe slot meant that I bent the pins while reinserting the WLAN card so now I have to get an expresscard or USB one. Or try to pull them back into position. On the upside, the issue was once again resolved

>>55958127
An ok machine unless it comes pre smashed up to shit. Hopefully you got it for cheap though because X220s are pretty cheap these days

>>55958303
Depends on what you want. It's slimmer and has a guaranteed 1600*900 panel. But the battery life is shitter. The 6 cell is smaller than the normal 6 cell (48 Wh vs 60 Wh) and the only you can add more internal batteries is to get an Ultrabay battery which adds another 30 Wh)

first for t420

Didn't get an answer yesterday, why is the X130e shit?

>>55958999
It's a glorified netbook
Otherwise
>chiclet keyboard
>drop hinges
>lacking ThinkPad things like Thinklight
Of course, in practice it was intended to be idiot proof though since the target market was schoolkids

>>55959157
OK, thanks for the info.

At least I didn't pay for it.

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Hey /tpg/,
I have a problem with my installation of windows on my x230's msata.
I want to make it my boot drive i can't set it as active in PE but i'm getting "the selected disk is not a fixed MBR disk".
So i'm stuck with booting from my old SSD that's dying.

What do i do so i can finally scrap the thing?

Also, i can't seem to boot from my msata on bios.

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>>55959309
easybcd is useless

>>55959309
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dn336946.aspx

Have you read/tried that?

>>55959479
I have and i honestly dont want to wipe the drive and reinstall everything from scratch, currently trying this solution out

http://www.tenforums.com/drivers-hardware/35001-how-do-i-set-my-windows-10-drive-primary.html

>>55959513
Did it work?

>>55959309
open cmd
type the following
disk part
list disk
select disk (disk number)
clean

after that shut down, take out any secondary drives, install windows. then put back in any secondary drives.
Windows will install to any secondary drive 99/100 times.

>>55959581
No, i think i just bricked the thing. The screen is dead but my usb and power button light up

>>55959620
Ah, shit.
> “Okay, this is going to sound totally bizarre, but I want you to give this a try…” He then had me unplug the AC adapter and take out the battery. Then, you push the power button 10 times in a row at one second intervals. Next, you push and hold the power button for 30 seconds. Then you put the battery back in and push the power button… and she lives.

>>55959673
No luck. Should i just take this to a tech?
Holy fuck though.
I bought it for $160
spent $100 on an msata
and now i gotta prepare my anus for a repair bill that'd be more than both combined.

I can see the other side of the coin now. The ones who loathe the thinkpad. Guys who've had a similar experience to mine

>>55959936
>Thinkpad is my first computer that supports UEFI
>decide to do the whole Windows install with UEFI instead of traditional BIOS
>Motherboard is now essentially bricked because I can no longer access the BIOS settings, and the Windows UEFI menu is useless
I think this is my issue too

>>55959967
your computer never had a bios
it had legacy boot compatibility in a uefi system.
also boot into windows, open command prompt as admin, type "powercfg -h off" this turns off hibernation, therefore quickboot, which can prevent you from getting into the bios
or just hit restart which actually shuts down instead of hibernating it.

Has anyone here successfully removed a supervisor/BIOS password before?

>>55960051
Yeah, nevermind. My issue is a lot more simpler than that. It's most likely hardware related since though my led's light up, the screen is dead and no keyboard inputs are going through so nothing is going on behind the dead screen.

Fuck

>>55959613
Funny you mention that since its likely my poking around when i installed the msata that fucked the whole thing up. Though i've been busting open my acer countless times and haven't had any issues despite being more "poorly designed" than a thinkpad

>>55960083
Does the whole moving the blue block thing you can do with desktops work in laptops?

>>55960121
You have no backlight, no input?
I had that, it was the connection to the hall sensor.

>>55958042
Is there any reason why I should get a T430 instead of a T430s?

So I let me friend borrow my w520 for literally one day, and now it has a bunch if small but noticible surface scratches on the top cover. Any good way to buff these out? I don't know how normies do it.

>>55961381

T430 is cheaper than the T430s, and had longer battery life. Just because it might matter to you, the 1080p display swap works better on the T430s.

>>55959620
>using a partition manager will brick the machine

how in the holy mother of fuck.

Just backup, reformat and reinstall.

>>55960083
It depends on the system. I know on some you can short two pins but it's a PITA of a job

>>55961510
Thanks. Hadn't even thought about a display swap, but I'm going to look into it now.

>>55961490
I know that feeling so much man, I'm okay now because I bought a thinkpad and only I use it but before that

>be on vacation with family
>I am only one who brought a laptop
>its a shitty lenovo g series laptop
>let dad use it for 3 days straight
>trackpad left click now makes audible noise
>is misaligned and doesn't click right

ahhhhhhh

>>55961682
Nothink works right on those laptops anyways. Mine wont connect to wireless N networks now for some reason.

t420 here. just literally got this bitch with a clean install of windows 7. switched harddrives with my old toshiba. Went down hill and now i can't even get it to format the harddrive to start over again what do

>>55962168
its just been sitting at the start up repair screen for a hour...

>>55962168
try a different hdd? maybe it's just broken

>>55962168
>>55962182
http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop

no problem

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We brick now

>>55962395
Come on man, your screen displays things.
Even if it is bricked it is far better then mine.

Mine just exploded in a fountain of sparks, sharp glass shrapnel and a lethal dosage ionizing radiation.

>>55962395
>>55962411

turn off network booting retard

Currently using a shitty T61, here.

Dumb question: Will an X220 be able to run regular Ubuntu? I've only had my T61 and another shitty HP laptop as portable computers, and they didn't work well with Ubuntu (not the fault of the OS, obviously). Used only desktop PCs before that.

>>55962395
kek you fucking retard that's not bricked.

You essentially don't have a boot record, so it's not seeing the HD as a boot device.

reformat, reinstall and shut the fuck up.

>>55962713
I've recently used X201 and X230 with Ubuntu 16.04 and they worked with no problems.

Hi /tpg/. I have a few questions.

So I currently use a T400 with the advanced dock and a R7 240. As a portable laptop it's pretty good but as a desktop replacement it can be a little underwhelming. I run a P9500 in my laptop but it still bottlenecks some things.

So my question is: would upgrading the CPU to a T9900 make a significant difference in terms of performance in games and such?

My other question is is there any way to stuff a quadcore in the T400 or W500? Cooling shouldn't be much of a problem because when my laptop is docked the CPU runs at 48C stable under full load currently.

I noticed the W500 can be used with the dock as well so if I can get a quad core in it I could use it docked and as a desktop replacement when I need to and get a X200s for portability. I do actually own a full desktop for when I'm at home.

>>55962713
I use the x201 (on it right now)

Ubuntu runs fine beyond a bluetooth feature not working.

the X220 is the X201 souped up, so yes is the answer. Runs bloody good on my x201

>>55962713
I'm currently using Debian testing with KDE 5 on my X220 and it runs like a charm.
Very responsive and snappy, don't even notice any difference between my Desktop (i7-3770k) and the X220 (i7-2620M) in normal tasks.

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THE GOOKS HAVE DONE IT AGAIN

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>>55963158

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>>55963170

>>55963181

>>55963170
>>55963181
>Windows 10

>>55963158
>>55963170
>>55963181
What am I looking at anon? Bigger screen, smaller bezel?

>>55961531
How can i reformat and reinstall when the screen is dead, like no backlight and no input is going through? It heats up, the various LEDs and my usb lights up but its essentially bricked

>>55963266
Holy shit. Holy shit. Answered my own question. NEW screen mod. xps 13 1080 screen on a moded top case. International availability. TAKE MY MONEY

>>55963266
Excuse the leddit link

https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/4wf7uc/51nbs_mods_internationally_available_x62_x330_fhd/

Are Lenovos extended warranties worth it? It's like $290 for 4year onsite/accidental(same price as 3 year). Was going to get an oled x1 yoga.

Just got an almost new T440 for 325€/$360 but it has a broken USB port, did I fuck up? I guess I won't be needing it anyway.

>>55963277
How have you killed the screen using a partition manager?

Darwin award for this guy

It blows my mind that there are retards on Ebay trying to sell thinkpads with no RAM, hard drives or batteries for 100 bucks, or shit without charging cords, chunks missing from the bottom, etc.

Are there people really stupid enough to buy into it?

>>55963799
Essentially.
I made the new drive my partition, went to bios, saw that my boot drives were looping but selected the drive i wanted anyway.
It went dark but the backlight was still there.
It was like that for several minutes so i powered it off through the button.
That's how i got to the current situation

>>55963158
>>55963170
>>55963181
>>55963353
if i had the money i would buy one

>>55958042

How's this?

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Lenovo-ThinkPad-W520-Notebook.53220.0.html

I'm getting a version with i7 3.5 GHz and I'm also going to put a Samsung ssd inside.

What do you guys think?

>>55963810
Well I've bought a few units like that.

As it stands I've got a unit on its way missing hard drive, caddy, battery and charger.

The upside is:

A. It was really cheap
B. I have all the stuff for it.

I have a spare caddy, SSD, and charger. I won't be investing much money into it, and I'm getting a damn good machine for it. I'd never pay $100 for them though.

>>55963181
where can I buy?

Is the x220 too small to program comfortably? My last laptop was a fuckhuge toshiba

>>55964082
see
>>55963353

>>55963158
>>55963170
>>55963181
Now here's a mod I'd like to buy. Too bad it's going to be either too hard to order, too hard to install or too expensive for me.

Is it worth it to buy an x300 if given the opportunity? Friend of mine selling one for £110 with the following specs:
Intel Core 2 Duo L7100
2GB RAM
64GB SSD
13.3" TFT 1440x900 display

Finally started using my T400 again. I'm loving i3. First time I've really used it and I'm working so much faster now.

I just bought a new Thinkpad T420 after a much needed upgrade from the T60. It has one 4GB stick of RAM. If I'm on a budget, is it a wise idea to add one more stick of 8GB and deal with single channel, or should I just add one stick of 4GB and take advantage of dual channel RAM?

>>55964423
no

>>55964654
I bought mine with 4 and upgraded to 8. 4 was plenty for me before though, but I'm running Mint.

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Broken X220T fag again.
So since the i7 is a huge battery drain/heat lamp, if I replace the mobo should I go with the i5?
Also should I go for it or let the thing rip in pepperoni?

>>55964654
I feel like a better use of your money might be putting an SSD in

just got a x220,
i7 2.8 ghz
8 gb ram
240 gb ssd for £217
is it a decent buy?

>>55965342
i've got a 128gb ssd in it

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>>55963843
So uh, what do i do now guys?
Take it to a tech?
Buy another used one and try my luck with another ticking timebomb mobo?
Is this just how buying used goes?
You have it working for 2 weeks and then it goes lemon?

This is the first time i've had a laptop die on me like this and i'm staring into the abyss of the black screen of death.

>>55965500
it may sound stupid, but have you tried an external screen?
mu t420 had no backlight and no input overnight and as I said earlier, it was the sensor detecting that the lid was closed.

X61 tablet for £40, yea or nay?

Intel Core 2 Duo L7500
1024 x 768 display
120GB SSD

>>55965472
nice one lad, crank that ram up them

>>55965543
Tried it just now. Nothing. No signal.

>>55965678
have you tried taking the battery out, unplugging the ac adapter and pressing the power button for ~30 secs?

>>55965745
Yeah and 2 minutes even

>>55965583
I bought it.

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I have a T420. Obviously, a T430/T530 would be more powerful, but does /tpg/ recommend it for daily use?

What is the consensus on using X-series Thinkpads for desktop replacements?

>>55966001
A 420 has more than enough power for all tasks.
The only real advantage of a T430 would be USB 3.0 in my opinion.

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>>55966001
Yes. T430 is much more powerful, and it can actually handle both overclocked nvidia GPU AND 45W quad core+HT CPU
Don't hestitate, just upgrade to T430 Master Race.

>>55965340
no input?

>>55966130
>Shit tier keyboard
No thanks

>>55958042
does anyone have a link to the firewire drivers for the w520?

>>55966130
>uses T430
>claims it's awesome
>keeps it closed and uses an external keyboard

Really makes me think.

>>55966130
>all those specs
>still need an external monitor because the internal panel is so shamefully terrible
kek

>>55966130
>Chrome
>Windows 10
Opinion discarded.

>>55966038
Get a dock

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>>55966155
man that's some impressive battery life
10.8 WHOLE seconds

Fucking love my T420.

Too bad there's no alt keyboard with the look of the newer models (keys spaced further out from each other, don't spread out at the bottom, etc).

Oh well.

>>55966454
IIRC you can mod a T430 with a T420 keyboard. I don't see why you couldn't put a T430 keyboard on your T420, with minor modifications.

>>55966436
what's that program?

I've seen a lot of T430 thinkpads with the NVS 5400M 2GB model, despite not being able to find any for sale, only the 1GB model.

Is this something you can add through an upgrade?

OH YEAH BOII
I did it today and bought thinkpad x220 for 260€
This bad boy have i5-2520m, 8gb ram and 120gb ssd with a bigger battery (power battery or what ever it is called.
For what I have used this, why is this so good? I mean the keyboard in this bad boy is a hell lot better than in my dell latitude 3340. Don't get me started on the little light next to the webcam like wtf. IT IS FREAKING CONVINIENT when typing in darkness and such. There also the hinges in this and it feels really good like god damn. Maintance in this is going to be such a enjoyable experience.
Thanks /g/entooman I appreciate your love and passion to this machine.

I have truly been awaken again since I bought getac s400 toughbook as well

ps. Sorry for this terribly composed post.

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>>55966150
>>55966185
You mean classic keyboard that I use when I leave the house?
>>55966251
If you show me how can I play GTA V on Linux then I'll switch right now.
>>55966196
I don't need it. I want it. There's a difference.

>>55966871
Nope, it's soldered on the motherboard. Also remember to get the shrinked 28nm version of the GPU - you'll be able to OC it even more.

>>55966901
>muh gaymes muthafuka
Grow up.

>>55966901
>GTA V on Linux
Gotcha covered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16dbAUrtMX4

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>tfw bought e540 with i7
>battery is shit
>case is mediocore and hinges are uneven
>buyers remorse hard as fuck

>>55966918
I'm already grown up. What's wrong with relaxing by playing gaymes where you shoot sandniggers, create your own world using LUA and spend time with your friends in co-op games where you all train your planning and use certain tactics to win?
Explain this to me, because I'm tired of this "le gaymur kidz XD" meme.

>>55967012
>Could be doing something constructive with your time
>dude video games haha sandniggers xd

>>55967012
See
>>55966976

Also, without having to do this, 50% of my Steam Library is natively compatible with Linux, alongside with half of that running flawlessly on Wine without any extra configs.

"Le gaymurz xD" is a joke meant to keep /v/ away with their desktop threads, build a PC threads, speccy threads, etc. There's nothing wrong with liking videogames. Like I said above, gaming on linux is actually pretty fucking viable nowadays without having to do much fiddling around. If you truly want to be top percentage you gotta do that GPU passthrough thing, but it's kind of a hassle.

I prefer to just do with native games and Wine. Besides, with the advent of Vulkan, we'll hopefully see less DirectX shit and more cross-compatibility.

>>55967003
>Don't buy anything OTHER THAN T, X AND W/P SERIES if you want the Real ThinkPad Experience™
You can't say we didn't warn you.

>>55967073
would i7 4702MQ work in a laptop like T440?
i considered buying some used husk and filling it with components from E540

>>55967056
*half of the 50% that doesn't run natively runs flawlessly on Wine, is what I meant to say. And then a few more run on Wine with some little tweaking. So that leaves me at around 80% games availability.

>>55966515
to take a screenshot of just a specific area?
snipping tool on windows
>>55967087
I'm pretty sure the t440 uses a soldered cpu

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>>55966038
I don't know about consensus but I've been using the X-series as desktop replacement for years now. I've gone through X61s and X201 to current X230. I've also had an X40 but back then I still had a traditional desktop.

I got similar setup both at the office and at home although no eGPU at the office. Most of the time I'm connected to an external display with the internal display turned off so the limited estate of 1366x768 isn't a problem.

X230 is my favourite so far as it never gets toasty like the older models even on heavy load and I prefer the typing feel over the X201 I had and some X220 I almost got at one point. I do miss the old layout a bit but I'm not gonna fight the future as I'll probably upgrade to X250/X260 in a few years. I wish I could just make a USB keyboard out of the X40 or X61s as those were the best.

Just bought a T530 with win7, but it starts really slowly. Why is that?

>>55967285
install gentoo
no but seriously I too had this problem but I got rid of when I booted the a few time and installed the updates.
Do you have HDD or SSD?

>>55967285
slow hard drive
bloated/old windows install
if you haven't already, reinstall windows.
you should do that any time you get a used computer, never trust the OS they give you.
although if your computer has a firewire port back up that driver and then send it to me too.
lenovo for some reason doesn't have a driver for it on their website.

I've got an X220 that I like a lot. If I were to upgrade to the 9cell battery and the slice battery, what kind of battery life would I be looking at with Xubuntu.

I've read that with windows that'd be roughly 16-18 hours of productive time. Is linux ~75% of windows in terms of battery life? Would I be at 12 to 14 hours of usable time?

>just discovered thinkpads
>windowshopping on lenovo

MUH DICK, MUHHH DIIIICKKKK

>>55962411
plug in network cable and boot MDT

>inb4 i dont run mdt

too bad, pleb

>>55967336
Hard drive, but I plan to buy an Msata ssd and put in the ultrabay.
I'm very happy with it regardless.
It is an old windows install, but I've went over it with CCleaner and such. Primarily because the old user left Photoshop cs6 and office on it. But also because I can't seem to find a recovery partition or a factory reset program.
Good to hear it went away on its own.

>>55967340
Is there a way to reinstall an oem copy of windows without a recovery partition? Seems like the guy removed it.

>>55966976
Except TRANSLATED GTA V won't work fluently on my GPU. It's barely working natively under windows.
Any other ideas?

>>55967087
No, all post-ivybridge thinkpads have soldered CPUs

>>55967475
you should be able to find the oem image online
I probably should look for one for my w520 so I can take lenovo power manager, and get my firewire driver.

>>55967350
It looks like the combined watt hours of the batteries is ~158ish. My machine currently uses 11.2 watts for browsing and typing. So that'd be ~14 hours, right? Probably 12 hours for really intense stuff.

I might put windows 7 back on here just to see how different the battery life really is. 18 hours sounds awesome.

>>55967541
You should check into TLP if you want to lower your power usage on Linux:
http://askubuntu.com/a/285681

>>55967475
Well then thing is I bought my thinkpad x220 today and the guy that I bought it really knew his shit and didn't anything funny to this pc (other than those very useful drivers and such)

Anyway HDD can be fast booting but It might need more effort to do so meaning that you have to keep it in partitions, no "start with windows" programs. I don't too much expertize with these Idk.

>>55958042
I turned off the adaptive brightness crap in the intel control panel, and in the windows power thing
but my screen keeps on changing it's brightness whenever I switch between a dark image and a white image.
Is there a way to fix this?

>>55963341
>>55963353
>>55963158

just get an x1 carbon. that's what i did.

>>55967596
>http://askubuntu.com/a/285681

That's excellent. I'll be looking into that after dinner. I've got a series of flights this week, and I would love to not have to do the "find an outlet" dance at each airport.

I've read a few various posts online that certain T420 fans are quieter than others, and that dual pipe heatsink is better than the single one etc...... anyone got any experience with this at all?

The 2 fan/heatsink FRU I'm looking at are 04W0407 and 04W0409

>>55967599
Ah, I see.
Well I planned on buying an ssd and migrating the OS to it. Not only for speed, but for reliability. I don't trust an old used hard drive much.

>>55967664
or get Getac S400
this laptop is fucking awesome

>>55967689
this
I'm starting think that SSD should be mandatory on laptop due to the fact that they are often moved around

>>55967488
That's because you're using a laptop that's not even meant for games, while the guy in the video is using a rigged desktop for sure.

I'm all for linux, but we have to be real, GTA V on linux is not a feasible task with less than top notch hardware.

>>55967737
Indeed. Plus it's all silent, no moving parts.
Also, the T530 I bought had qvo6 shit on it. What a pain to remove, thank god for wikihow. I wonder if that was why he sold it?

>>55967836
ahh the silence is lovely. I usually limit computer's cpu a lot so it won't create heat and thus noise.
>qvo6 shit
OH fuck that doesn't sound good. I have thought to myself that I should install some of those really sneaky viruses/malware to virtual OS so I could learn how to remove them.

My god the thinklight must be the most adorable function of any computer I've ever had!

>>55967921
Yeah, really annoying. And it's not like its hidden either, everytime you open a browser it's right there in your face. Some shitty search bar and ads all over.
I had a HP pavilion dv6 with a similar program, search.conduit something something. I managed to remove it, but the little button next to the powerbutton that was dedicated to launching the browser was stuck with the conduit URL, I couldn't find a way to change it manually after removing the adware. HP support just linked me to irrelevant guides, even a factory reset didn't help!
HP, never again.

What OS should I install on my thinkpad?
I'm going to be using it for programming and probably emulate some games and steam games

>>55967831
>you're using a laptop that's not even meant for games
Really? Then why does it handle GTA V fine?
Linux should not be used to play games via WINE, you know it. It's inefficient and buggy.

>>55967831
>not meant for games
that is entirely subjective

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Ok guys, after some whiskey and anime i think i've come into terms with it. Moving on, i'll open it and see if i can diagnose or even fix this issue. If not then an alternative would be to get a for parts x230 that boots like:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-X230-Laptop-i5-3320M-2-60GHz-4GB-Memory-2320-36U-No-HDD-AC-/222212135942

And just fit it with my ram sticks, ssds, msata, battery, etc.
Is this a good plan?
Should i pay a tech to take a look/fix my issue?
Should i swear off of used laptops again?

>>55959620
>>55959936
>>55965500

>>55968067
Just dual boot win7 and ur favorite distro

>>55968067
Ubuntu would do just fine.

>>55968133
It handles != is meant for

The fact that a piece of hardware is capable of decently running a piece of software designed for a specific operating system does not mean that the same software should run efficiently on other operating systems on the same hardware.

>>55968165
They're business grade laptops, not gaming laptops, that's not subjective. They can handle games, that's for sure, but they're not meant for gaming.
And I speak against myself, I'm waiting for my T430 so I can install a shitload of games to play occasionally as well.

What is a normal idle temperature for a T530's i5 cpu? Mine is at 59 at the moment. Maybe I should buy some thermal paste along with the ssd?

>>55968168
I feel for you man. I just bought my thinkpad, and you might have just lost yours.
But I'm sure you'll figure out a solution. Maybe it's something really obvious, and you just need a nights sleep to figure it out.

>>55968067
I'd say windows 10
with the new bash thingy you get 99% of the good stuff of linux (the command line) and 100% of the windows goodness.
just make sure you have an AV of some sort and an adblocker and you should be malware free.
drivers are kind of annoying though, so windows 7 if you want everything to just werk
>>55968204
59c sounds a bit warm, but are you doing something? or just sitting at the desktop?

>>55968200
Not that anon, but "meant for" is too relative. Sure, it may not have been thought of for games, but a computer is "meant for" doing whatever you want to so long as it is within its specs

>>55968246
It's installing updates, looks like it has stalled at 93% through a Win7 update module though.

This might be a dumb question, but can you format the drives on your laptop and then install an operating system that you bought in a physical store? Or do you have to have the specific version of that os that was bundled with the computer?

>>55968200
They're business grade laptops that happen to have the hardware to be classified as a gaming laptop. They're advertised for business but that's all there is to this argument.

>>55967990
I know, right
>HP support just linked me to irrelevant guides
This triggers me.
>HP, never again
agreed
Hp never again.

>>55968168
>Disillusioned brickpad owner
my sides

Anyways, did your thinkpad boot to usb before? If it did, set up some random distro on that usb, connect it and blindly try to enter it, try to make any sound come off of it.

>>55968320
It was really frustrating. But hey, I get 20% off the next piece of shit from them! As though I would want another of those hot, unreliable, pieces of crap in my life.
I hear their business models are good, but the debacle with my dv6 turned me off them for good.
Partly why I bought a thinkpad. I understood the value of a computer that you can maintain, upgrade and use without worrying about parts falling off.
Just replacing the thermal paste required the removal of the screen, removal of the plastic at the back of the lid (why?) the complete disassembly of the motherboard. And their paste was more like chalk.

>>55968327
>Anyways, did your thinkpad boot to usb before?
Yeah, i had a windows install on the flash drive and tried to enter bios but it didn't.
Powered it "on", rapidly pressed enter, it makes a sound when it enters bios which means its not booting at all behind the dead screen

>>55968310
no you can install anything you want
after you install it you just have to hunt down the drivers
google "(laptop model) support" and 99% of the time "support and downloads" will show up and that will give you your drivers
and yes any windows iso will work

also bonus: you can use your oem windows keys (at least win 7 keys) on seeming unlimited computers as long as you manually activate it by calling MS.
you can also use B!T(dot)ly(slash)1MdEX5X if you want to skip calling ms

>>55968200
Who defines what my laptop is meant for? Lelnovo? Did they issue a document that specifies what it's meant for or not?
I'm happy with Windows 10 because it allows me to do whatever the fuck I want. Linux does NOT provide what I want on this machine. In that case quit these "le windows is evil XD" meme because it's fucking stupid.

>>55967990
>>55968402
I feel you anons. I've had 5 laptops in my life. 5th being a thinkpad.
The first one was a macbook in 2005 that got stolen.
The second one was a shitty compaq that slowed to a crawl overtime and had keys breaking on me for no reason
The third was an hp that like you guys, was a scalding mess. I'll never forget the day it powered off 5 times from overheating when i was trying to watch summer wars. It eventually stopped charging. Nothing was wrong with the charger so it was probably some motherboard issue.
Fourth is what i'm using right now, an acer that's had two hdd failures.
Fifth is my now dead x230.

>>55968491
>was a scalding mess. I'll never forget the day it powered off 5 times from overheating
I'm the T530 guy who had a dv6, and I gotta say I know that feel.. Nothing like being happy that your laptop is only at 80 degrees celsius when browsing.

I really hope it all works out for you. If the problem is localized to the drive, then maybe you can just replace the drive? I'm nowhere near savvy enough to give advice.

>>55968478
I'd say a Laptop is for what you need it to be for. Same reason that my dad's little car meant for passenger transport was used to move a big sofa once. As long as the task can be done, it's within the scope of the design. If not, then you change the design. In your case by using windows instead of linux.

Of course you can't deny that they're designed for a specific task, but to say you can't use them for another task is just silly. That's like prohibiting fishing from a wave breaker. Why?

>>55965340
boop

>>55968607
Okay, so I want to play GTA V on it. I can't do this on Linux because of insufficient hardware resources. So why is this guy showing me a video of GTA V through wine on a desktop PC?
>Of course you can't deny that they're designed for a specific task
They designed it to mainly work with Windows. Linux is just a side effect.

>>55965340
>>55968626
I'm afraid I'm not competent enough to give much advice. What part of it is broken? But for me, if there's one thing about computers that I don't like it has got to be heat and noise. so if I had the opportunity I'd change in an instant.
Have you tried changing the thermal paste? Maybe that will bring your temps down while you still keep the performance of the i7.

>>55968460
Neat, thanks!
I hear Lenovo is pretty good with drivers so that shouldn't be an issue.
I had no idea you could use the key for stuff like that. That's great, if I decide to do a fresh install then I'll be sure to keep that in mind.

>>55968725
I've no idea, doesn't seem very relevant considering the difference in hardware.

>>55968607
>If the problem is localized to the drive, then maybe you can just replace the drive?
With my experience from my acer's hdd dying on me twice, that's one of the causes that i suspect as well.

Already detected physical damage on the ssd with its failure to clone on the msata and I/O error despite looking healthy on most diagnosis programs except gsmartcontrol's long self tests

>>55968731
Motherboard seems fucked. It's not a heatissue.
Ran it into the ground; touching/moving it caused it to shut down with increased occurrences. Worked lately then it did it once, the HDD is fine as is the ram (Tested both).

>>55968839
Are you 100% sure about buying a mobo?

>>55968803
I would consider that luck in bad luck (that saying doesn't translate very well). Drives are pretty cheap nowadays and easy to replace.

>>55968937
What?

Can an X61 tablet only support a maximum of 4GB memory?

>>55969027
Are you not >>55965340
?

>>55969110
I'm asking if people think it's advisable/worth saving.
The mobos seem to go for <$70, hence why I'm considering it. Had this thing since 2011 which is part of why I don't want it to be completely dead.

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Hello /tpg/
Do you like my little friend?

>>55967087
It should work in the T440p, that's socketed and was designed to take quadcores.

>>55969138
I'm in the same boat as you and i have several thoughts on this.
1. After googling, there's not much documentation on people buying used laptop mobos for restoration likely because people throw away their broken devices (if not under warranty anymore) and move on since its a process that not many consumers are willing to put themselves under.
2. There's at least some buyer protection if its DOA if you buy it from ebay though there's a chance it may destroy the parts that you outfit it with.
3. You don't know how's the shape of the mobo and why its being put up for sale in the first place. People drop and spill things on their laptops all the time.

So, you can
>scrap it and move on
>buy another used laptop that functions and fit it with your stuff though you're also taking chances
>go ahead with the used mobo
>buying a new mobo that's worth more than the price of the laptop
>pay a tech to fix it for more than the price of the laptop

What an unenviable situation this is

>>55969378
It's not a primary as I replaced it with a used Surface Pro 2 awhile ago (serves me admirably as well), but it'd be nice to get my x220t back in reliable condition, even with the 1366x768 crap.

>>55969038
well the x61 and x61s support 8 gigs of ram unofficially, so the tablet should support 8 as well
>>55968725
just dualboot windows if you care about vidya games
it will safe you a lot of time and effort.

>>55968731
>I hear Lenovo is pretty good with drivers so that shouldn't be an issue.
they aren't if you want firewire drivers :/
but other than firewire everything else works

>>55969555
That's a shame. Mine doesn't have firewire so I can't send you any drivers. If that's even possible.
Have you tried contacting lenovo and asking?

>>55969637
yeah I tried, but tthey said to call some number and I didnt feel it.
do you still have a recovery partition? or did you say that it isn't there?

>>55969678
I know that feel.
No recovery partition from what I can see. I'm not sure why it's gone. Maybe the guy though it took up too much space?

Just copped a t430 on ebay.

>>55969993
supremely jealous

>>55969993
>>55970044
samefag

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>>55970044
>>55970077
also, checked

>>55970110
even though inspect element is a thing, I'll believe you this time.
congrats on the buy

>>55969138
You should get a new mobo if they're like 70 bucks.

>>55969752
Went into disk management and there were two partitions. One primary for programs and documents and such, and one just called system.

>>55970227
Yea but that's $70 I could spend on other things.

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Is a 12.5"panel large enough to program on half the screen comfortably? The only other laptop I've had was a 15" Toshiba Shitellite

Just nabbed this bad boy for $150 (after shipping). How'd I do?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/172289951239?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Hi guys, is there any particular thermal paste you should buy (Thinkpaste?) for your thinkpad?

And will any kind of msata ssd work in a T530?

>>55971008
Looks like a bargain, I hope you're happy with it.

I'm a business student that spends too much time playing vidya. Would leaving the desktop at home and only bringing my T430 be wise? I can't think of a certain function I would need the extra capability for, the laptop is just slower.

Should I get a T430 is it's cheaper than a T420?

>>55971317
Yes.
A T430 has USB 3.0.

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Is there any way to force TP fan control to stay at its max speed all the time? If I select manual and select a high value it works but only when the cpu is cool, when it gets hot it goes back into auto mode making it all useless.

w7 64 bits, memepad is t520

how do you guys cool your thinkpads?
I have a spare laptop cooler lying around but it's p shit. I actually find I get lower temps by balancing my w550s on top of a bowl or two and having a fan nearby. I have a mouse and usb keyboard so i just put the keyboard on my lap.

>>55971748

I don't? Just don't block the vents.

>>55971317

If you don't mind the keyboard yes. Assuming the specs are on par or better.

>>55971091

No it's just thermalpaste man, don't overthink it.

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>>55971748
>I actually find I get lower temps by balancing my w550s on top of a bowl or two and having a fan nearby.
Probably because the air coming under the laptop has less resistance.

Speaking of mods, how many of you have opened your fans and heatsinks? I did some time ago and was a bit shocked when I found the copper pipe wasnt directly in the path of the air like i've seen on many old and hot laptops, pic related. Said laptops had 35w cpus like my current thinkpad but never ever went over 80 and you could feel hot air burning your hand when placing it in fron of the vents, not so much with my thinkpad.

Also it had what was in my opinion very few thermal paste or something black in it, definitely not soldered which would be the best way to conduct heat. Im going to get cheap thermic paste and add some where the heatsink fins and the pipe meet.

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Is there a retail location in the US where I can drop in and try out thinkpads before I buy?

>>55970248
how big was the system one?
if it was between 3 and 8 gigs that should be the recovery partition.
if you could send that to me (if it is) then I would be sooooo hapy

Figure I may as well crosspost my plea for help here. Just in case anybody here has done this already. >>55972961

>>55973045
use a usb 2.0 drive
or ya know quit using anchient ass windows 7 in 2016
at least use windows 8

>>55973062
The problem isn't that it's a USB 3.0 drive, in fact it isn't. The problem is the Windows 7 installer can't figure out the mystery that is the USB 3.0 port.
If I was going to use 8/8.1 I'd just go full ham and take 10. I want to try and save myself first.

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Whats the cheapest place to get a dock?

>>55972272
Prob like Best Buy or Frys for new models. For older, maybe like a pawnshop or a second hand electronics store.

>>55973080
no seriously windows 7 will work just fine if you use a usb 2.0 flash drive in a usb 3 port
>>55973086
ebay
or if you are lucky a thrift store
>>55972272
by best buy has a haswell yoga thinkpad.
none of the normal (t/x/w/p) models though

>>55973103
But I am using a USB 2.0 flash drive in a USB 3.0 port. I don't even own a USB 3.0 flash drive. It's this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820171498 exact one.

>>55973129
Update: Someone solved my problem. >>55973042 Sorry to bug you guys.

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Just generally, what model type has the largest quantities of offlease, parts, batteries, docks, accessories available?

I'm assuming it's the T series

>>55973204
yeah t series by far
W series aren't rare, but they are usually only like 5 listings for them at a time on ebay.
X series will have like 2 or 3 pages of normally working machines
then the T series will have like 10+ pages of perfectly normal machines.
and then 200+ listings for models with a fuck up screen for some reason

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>>55973258
Makes sense. T series seems to be the standard corporate issue followed by X series from what I have seen. Thanks

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>>55958042
Never Forgetti
Lenovo's Spaghetti

>>55973512
the fuck is that?

>>55973559
X1 Carbon

>>55973577
Gen 1, right?

>>55973594
Gen 2

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>>55973512
Holy fuck, that goes into the collection

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>>55973638

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>>55973651

>>55973651
Slightly relevant, I just trashed my Yoga 14 today. Royal piece of shit.

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>>55973681

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>>55973690

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>>55973699

>>55973669
I know all too well. Went from early Lenovo to later Lenovo Shitpad. Besides the ram and processor, feels like a downgrade

>>55973726
It worked really well for a while. Really disappointed in the new pads' build quality though

>>55973699
Holy fuck is that one piece of shit. Is that an Edge or some shit?

>>55973708
>no track point
no way!

>>55958042
I have a shitty HP Notebook that dualboots win10/debian.

Should I buy a thinkpad and just use linux on it?
>converting to full linux on this is not an option

>>55973777
>Trips checked.

Why can't you convert to just Linux?

>>55973777
Or you could get a thinkpad, install win10 and move your hp to linux. but I personally prefer to run one OS per machine

I just got a X230 to replace my X200, cost me $120.
I don't know what the fuck you guys are saying, the keyboard feels a lot better to type on. The F keys and layout is a bit unfortunate though, those are definite downgrades.

>>55973771
yeah, E450 abortion I think
>>55973775
they just slap the logo on anything these days

>>55973796
>converting to linux on the hp is not an option
Why would I ever do that? HP Notebooks are practically made for JUST Windows.

>>55973796
>but I personally prefer to run one OS per machine
main SSD gets shitdows
smaller msata gets another OS

>>55973805
>I don't know what the fuck you guys are saying, the keyboard feels a lot better to type on.
that's really a more subjective thing

the overall build quality is a downgrade though
went from X200T to X230T

>>55973832
Strange, complete opposite for me on the non-tablets.
The plastics are stronger and less cheap looking on the X230 palmrest and screen bezel. Also no keyboard flex at all.
The tablets always felt flimsy after the X41t thanks to that tiny hinge.

>>55973810
because you probably want your windows install to be on the computer that won't randomly die, since its too important to go full linux

>>55973825
> implying my Latitude can use msata
> implying I wouldn't run best OS on the main drive

>>55964654
You will get slightly better Intel iGPU performance with dual channel, otherwise whatever is cheaper it's best
Though it you plan to upgrade later to 16 getting the 8 stick is the best plan
Also, if you're keeping the 4 stick along with the new 8 stick you still get dual channel, but only on 8 GB of the total 12, Intel calls this Flex Memory iirc

Should i buy a 2-1 tablet with a Atom CPU and forced W10 or a Used Thinkpad T420 with a I5-2520 and the OS i want?

>>55974208
For netbeans and casual browsing btw.

>>55974208
x220 tablet

>>55974262
Unavailable where i live.
I already searched for it.

>>55974294
Thinkpads are very overpriced even used where i live so i imported my T420 from US, worth it even with customs fees.

Follow your dreams. If you can't though get the t420.

on my x220t in palemoon, when I click the middle key for the clit mouse I go back to my last webpage
This wasn't an issue in firefox though, so what gives
ubuntu 16.04 btw

>>55962395
>>55962411
Rofl. You're retarded.

>>55973805
>>55973868
My last upgrade was from X201 to X230 and I agree with you about the keyboard and build quality of X230.

They say that there were multiple vendors making the xx00-xx20 keyboards so maybe just some of them were bad. Might be more common in the EU as many countries have slightly different layouts and offloading that to a shit contractor is exactly what I'd expect Lenovo to do.

Are there any good new ThinkPads at around 600-800usd max?

>>55975517
I think all new T/X/W/P -Series ThinkPads start at $1000++

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running waifu2x batch job on x201

wew lad

>>55975703
Seems pretty normal for Arrandale. I hated how toasty X201 would get under heavy processing.

Before starting a heavy job I would always:

echo disengaged | sudo tee /proc/acpi/ibm/fan

I never reapplied thermal paste so that could be one reason for extreme temps though.

Thinking of getting a new battery for my T420 but over here shops selling 55++ or 70++ doesn't exist at all and Amazon/non chinese eBay sellers don't ship batteries to here so my options for a Genuine 9-cell are zero.

What's the worst it could happen with one of those Chinese batteries? I get that they might have less capacity or that are less reliable in the long term or leaving them charging unattended is a no no but are they capable of spontaneous housefires or something dangerous?

>>55976117
Worst case scenario it dies in 5 months out of the blue and you're out 30 bucks plus shipping.

>>55976117
You could try buying from a retailer that offers a warranty. If you're in EU I'd recommend https://www.subtel.de/

There's a T510 on my craigslist for 100$. Should I pull the trigger?

>>55976140
Shipping from China is always free so i guess it's not a big deal. I'm more worried about the thing exploding or something.

>>55976237
I'm from South America but the import fees here are rather low so i don't mind paying for shipping. The thing is that no one ships batteries, not even the freight forwarder services over here and stores only have replacements for newer thinkpads, not a single 55++ or 70++ on sight.

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I got a T420 a few weeks ago, and I'm pretty happy with it. Bought an Lenovo 70++ along with it and it keeps up for about 6 hours.

The right speaker was not working when I got it. The guy I got it from offered to swap the laptop but I said I'll fix it myself.
I'm having a hard time getting the casing off, pic related. Does anyone have any tips or some video that shows you you get it off? The parts circled with red are so hard to get off that I'm afraid of breaking the plasic.

>>55973019
500mb. is that big enough for a recovery partition? Most of it was empty so I'd assume no.

Also is this ssd:Kingston SSDNow MS200 mSATA
Compatible with the ultrabay of the T530? It's really unbearably slow to start up..

>>55976311
Double check that you've removed all the correct screws to remove the palmrest then try to loose the palmrest from the hole left by the removed hdd bay, start from the left then the top, after that loose the bottom of the palmrest with a credit card or something and leave the bottom right corner for the last, imo that's the difficult part because it's stuck with the 3.5mm port.

At least that's how i do it, it's tricky the first time then it's easy.

>>55976289
My experience is that even the Chinese are somewhat wary of shipping batteries when ordering from EU.

I guess ThinkPads aren't a thing in South America.

>>55976406
Anyone? Also are there any good os migration softwares available free, or do I have to buy one of those kits?

>>55976408
Thanks senpai, I finally got it off now.
The right speaker cable doesn't look damaged, so I'll probably have to buy a new one.

>>55976608
Remove the left speaker, the heatsink and repaste the cpu while you're at it, just in case.

Hello /g/

Does this:
http://www.equipit.se/lenovo-batterier/13700-batteri-lenovo-thinkpad-t430-t530-w530-70-4400mah.html?search_query=T530&results=2

look like a genuine Lenovo battery? The used one I've got has apparently gone through 272 cycles, I'm not sure if that's a lot but it certainly doesn't have much use left in it.

Also I'm bumping this query>>55976406

>>55976981
No I don't think so.

>>55977046
I see. Seems like genuine batteries are hard to come by here. Or I'm not looking hard enough. What do you think about this:>>55976406
>>55976406
>>55976406
? Thanks for the input.

>>55976406
Win 7 only need 100 mb
8.1/8 needs 200 "
10 needs 450 to 500(?) "

>>55977345
I see. I can't seem to start the recovery program, I read that I'm supposed to press F11 as the computer boots, but nothing happens.

>>55977366
Try more keys. My last windows installation had the recovery on f12, Dell.

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>Fell for the t420 meme

What can i do with all this useless legacy ports besides eGPU?

>>55978166
Marvel over them, as those around you struggle to connect two peripherals at the same time.

What is a normal temperature for a T530?

And, to promote discussion. is there any shape you'd like to see trackpoints made in?

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What are chinkpad hinges made of? Titanium or spray-painted aluminum powder? Cant figure out.

>>55978872
>pray-painted aluminum powder
My first thought was a pile of powdered aluminium pushed into shape with a credit card, and then spray painted to keep the individual grains together.

>>55978956
I think it was debit card. Changes everything.

How do you install an msata ssd into an ultrabay?

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>>55979230

>>55979245
Ah, I see.
This might be a question that is beyond stupid. But where is the Ultrabay actually located? I heard that you could have a Dvd drive and an msata ssd, but where do I put it? Is there a guide somewhere?

>>55979321
The Ultrabay is what holds the DVD drive. The mSATA drive is supposed to go in one of the two mPCI-e slots.

>>55979321
You'll also need an ultrabay to sata adapter, unless there are adapters from ultrabay directly to msata (I don't think those exist)

>>55979321
Ultrabay™ is just a silly proprietary™ name for anything shaped like standard laptop DVD-drive. For Thinkpads these are Ultrabay battery, Ultrabay HDD caddy and and a Lasedrisk drive namely. There was once a discrete GPU for some gayming lenovo normiepad, Y500 afaik.

DVD drive uses SATA bus, so you can hook up anything SATA-compatible to its connector.
It is more wisely to stick an mSATA SSD into one of mini-PCIe slots, if they support this action.

>>55979409
I see. But does that mean I can still have the dvd drive, because that's what I've been told.

>>55979433
Where are those situated? I'm afraid I'm all out of small enough screwdrivers so I can't check. Is there a manual or guide to the layout of things in a T530? I feel like an idiot.

>>55979433
Ultrabay differentiates itself from other laptop disc drive bays by being hotswappable.

>>55979452
>I see. But does that mean I can still have the dvd drive, because that's what I've been told.
No... How would you even physically insert a dvd drive, sata to msata converter and msata ssd into the same thin slot?

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What business-model laptop would be considered an upgrade from my HP Elitebook 8470p? Looking to spend around ~$350 on eBay.

Anon who received the broken 4337 dock here, got a full refund and didn't even have to send it back. Find me the cheapest one, slaves!

>>55979476
That's what I was wondering, I couldn't see how you'd fit anything else in there.
Eh, maybe it's cheaper to just replace the HDD with a standard ssd. All the adapters and such really rack up the price.

>>55979474
It does not. There is an independent spring loading system to pull it in and out, so theoretically you can put any laptop-sized disk drive or caddy in it.
Also, SATA devices are hotswappable™ by default

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>>55979476
Well, I think it is possible if we put an msata connector, a 1,8 inch HDD candy and a Sony Discman D-88-style compact disk drive inside an Ultrabay. Woah

>>55979510
So would this
https://www.kjell.com/se/sortiment/dator-natverk/datortillbehor/harddiskkabinett/harddiskadapter-for-cd-dvd-uttag-hojd-9-5-mm-p61075

Would work for an 'ultrabay'
Paired with a toshiba q300 ssd?
Maybe even switch it around, so I can have the ssd in the standard slot as the boot device, and the HDD in the caddy for bulk storage. Then if and when I feel the need to use the optical drive I simply swap out the modules.
>>55979592
I'm sure that might work. Although I for one rarely ever use the optical drive.

>>55979645
Sure it will.

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>>55979645
Don't forget this thing.

>>55979645
Those adapters are like ten bucks in eBay and they work just fine, search for "T530 ultrabay to sata" and you'll get loads of results.

>>55979677
Great!

>>55979697
The plastic poky bit?

>>55979703
That's a whole lot cheaper, and comes with the poker too.

>>55979452
You can have DVD drive or adapter with 2,5" drive in the Ultrabay, HDD in the 2,5" drive slot and an mSATA drive in the full-size mini PCIe slot. Three drives in total. There might be a WWAN card in the mini PCIe slot though but it can be removed.

To access the mini PCIe slot you'll have to remove keyboard and palmrest.

I can't even afford the laptops I want but window shopping on the lenovo or dell websites is like porn to me

>>55979806
I see. That's probably the best option for me. I was already planning on removing the keyboard and palmrest so that I can repaste it. Might as well do it all at once.
Do all T530s have a mini PCIe slot? Will I still be able to access wireless networks without a WWAN card?

>>55979808
>lenovo and dell websites
Porn with down syndrome midgets more likely.

>>55975517
>>55975629
http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/x-series/x260/

Nah, and this is without the discount even

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>>55979857
>Do all T530s have a mini PCIe slot?
Yes, and I was incorrect the slot seems to be easily accessible through the RAM hatch on the bottom.

>wat is WWAN
WWAN is cellular network connection like 3G it doesn't affect WLAN.

>>55979937
I see. Thanks a lot, you have(along with other anons) been really helpful this whole time. Thanks!

>>55979868

>he doesn't like 64gb ram

>>55979981
Only for $599.99 + Tax?

Wireless Wide Anus Network

>>55980015

that's why it's called window shopping

Have a x250 installed linux on it and neither the trackpoint (touch nipple) nor the trackpoint buttons work in nay combination of distrobutions/de's

I have tried debian jessie, stretch, sid.
arch linux, arch linux lts.

Is there a driver im missing or somthing? I believe that it worked before hand, it is registered in xinput so I know it's not broken

>>55980460
>what is thinkwiki
>what is google
>what is scroll daemon
>what is thinkpad-acpi

Can I replace my T420 screen with the T430?

>>55980593
no

Does cloning software delete stuff off the drive it is cloning?

>>55981203
Ask that question 20 years later, at a local hospital.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LENOVO-THINKPAD-SL510-LAPTOP-CORE-2-DUO-T6570-2-10GHz-2GB-RAM-250GB-HDD-AQSP-/191933075278?hash=item2cb01a4f4e:g:bIkAAOSwdzVXmfeS

SL510 for £90 yes or no?

T420
i5 2520M
4GB DDR3 RAM
1600x900 res
250GB HDD
£150
Y/N?

>>55981787
Does it come with an operating system?

>>55981830
Ubuntu.

>tfw T530 takes a minute and half to start up.
>no make that 2 minutes, it's still going at it.
Can't wait to get an SSD.

>>55981787
not great. I got a 420 in mint condition for 185 with 8gb, an ssd, and 9 cell battery. £150 isn't too bad but you could do better.