RX 470!!!

Lacks Amada.

Hi

nvidia 1050 when?

>>55912739
Good.

>>55913036
>>55913005
>>55913058

Is AMD cucking their 480 customers now?

What's the catch? Besides it being AMD.

whats the price

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A big "fuck you" to the 480 owners.

>>55913065
The slightly cut down versions of AMD cards have always been the way to go. The 7950/280 was a better deal than the 7970/280X. The 290/390 was a better deal than the 290X/390X and the Fury was a better deal than the Fury X.

>>55913095
Hardly. Comparing reference vs non-reference isn't fair and everybody knew the 470 was coming.

>>55913105
7950 = 290 = fury

Where's the fucking 490?

AMD has always been best value at x80X/x90 cards, are they just cutting down the same card on the same reference board to save a few dollars while making it look like a new card?

>>55913005
Yup, that's AMD all right.
$50 cheaper but 1% slower.

So ONCE AGAIN we bare witness to the fact that the 480 is indeed ROP starved.

For the last 3 gens this has been repeating itself

> OC'd 470 = stock 480
this sounds fair enough until you remember that 480 can't be overclocked unless you wan't to destroy your motherboard.

>>55913141
Why would anyone wan't to destroy their motherboards?

shiet, I was going to buy a 480, but after this I'll go for a 470

>>55913005
>>55913036
>>55913058
>>55913095
What the fuck is this? 2% faster but $50 cheaper?

>>55913170
>2% slower*

>>55913120
>Where's the fucking 490?
The rumors say it's coming in October.

>>55913120
>are they just cutting down the same card on the same reference board to save a few dollars while making it look like a new card?
How do you think lower tier cards are often made? Most cards one step down are based on the card above on both sides, just with some cores lasered off, either because they were defective or to meet demand. A lot of people found that the cores on their Fury were only locked behind software and could be unlocked to get either a 3840 shader Fiji, or in rarer cases the full 4096, just via a BIOS modification. Some early batch 7950s and 290s flashed to the card above too.

AMD is smoking some crazy shit to release this, what's the point of a 480? This has way lower power consumption, 25% less cost and is in the error of margin slower.


?????

>>55913194
AMD BTFO the 1060 if this card is true

>>55913005
>>55913036
>>55913058
>>55913095
>>55913188
>>55913206

>Welcome to the latest Nvidishill thread

>>55913194
Only AIB/IHV cards, reference cards are 5-7% slower.

>2016
>reference

Yeah, I know

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http://www.benchmark.rs/artikal/test_sapphire_radeon_rx_470_nitro_8_gb-4169/1

>muh graphics cards

all graphic intensive games are shit

Meanwhile at AMD

>lets release a cheap, good performing card
>YEAH!
>and lets release a cheaper, same performing card a month later that cannibalized the previous card sales
>FUCK YEAH!

>>55913244
>GPU reviews by Chetniks

>>55913184
its a different architecture than polaris.

i think its called vega for now

>>55913270
It doesn't perform the same though. These benchmarks are compariing a custom card to a throttling reference 480 and it's STILL a few frames behind. It's no closer to or further away from other examples like the 290/290X or Fury/Fury X, which were within 5-10% of each other.

>>55913283
That's a speculation. They might as release a Fury with HBM2 or a double GPU polaris.

>>55913307
youre probably correct, we know next to nothing right now about the 490(x) and/or vega

didnt they hint at something being revealed in october ?

>>55913294
It's practically no more than 3%, reference 480 has a much higher boost clock (that evens out around 1240ish after heating up) than even the nitro 470, which is around 1200.
Overclock the 470 slightly, and you'll be in a percent or two of the 480 at the same clocks unless the workload is very shader intensive

>>55913320
Back in May there was a leak about 490 coming in October.
Then both AMD and Sapphire sites listed 490 as 2016 a card.

>>55913343
that awesome though I'll probably buy a card before october

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGU0Ix7bU1E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7t6lN2-bK8

>>55913346
Doesn't matter much, since the miners will buy everything out and they will be out of stock until mid-2017.

>>55913372
God he sounds like a skunk crawled in his windpipe and died pissing itself

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Price/perf king

>>55913353
wtf? does that mean the AIBs are coming at launch?

>>55913439
Seems there won't be any reference RX470, all cards will be AiBs.

>>55913036
How the fuck do you interpret gpu score? What do these numbers represent?

>>55913461
and the aftermarket version of the 480 are still not in sight, fuck that. ah well, have my eyes on the 1070 anyways by now

>>55913478
higher is better

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>>55912727
>Almost 100€ cheaper than 1060
>Almost the same performance

Nvidiots on suicide watch

Apparently the 8gb version performs the same as 480 in mining. So 4gb should be safe, and 480s should maybe popup on used sites later in the week once miners replace them with 470s.

>they literally just rereleased a higher end card as a lower card

What the fuck is going on this gen

only 4GB and 1650Mhz memory? guess that's how the expect to push people towards the 480

4GB 470 - $159
8GB 470 - $179
AIB - + $20-30

How does the 4GB version compare to the 8GB?
I see no reason for that much memory for a midrange 1080p card.

>>55913507
Well even in the 480s case its on average €50 cheaper than the 1060

>>55912727
That's super great I just bought a used motherboard for tri-crossfire to mine crypto-money! Yes we are in /g/, so video gaming is not allowed!

>>55913544
Well looking at the 480 it should only be 3-4 frame difference between the 4gb and 8gb models

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>>55913502

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I flipped a coin.

inb4 470 are just 480 with a different bios.

so fucking inflated in germany

http://www.mindfactory.de/Hardware/Grafikkarten+(VGA)/Radeon+RX+Serie/RX+470.html/listing_sort/6

>>55913578
might as well roll one up then

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>>55913641
wat

>>55913689
The Powercolor card is 180$ in the US and 219€ here.
This is a fucking joke.

>>55913714
The US dollar is very close to the Euro in value, and the US site never counts VAT

>>55913689
lol

so I'd literally pay 100 yurodollars more for the 480 and gain a whopping 3 frames. wow. Fuck you AMD, was gonna buy one of your cards but seems like I'll go green

>>55913683
they are the same polaris 10 chip so probably

what i think is hilarious is how the 470 has an 8 GB option. i wonder if anyone will be downloading more RAM on this one too

>>55913689
Fucking hell

>>55913734
>buy 4gb 470
>try to download more RAM
>end up with 480

Would b nice tbqh

>>55913729
Your card costs 160€ with your low VAT it costs 180€ at worst.

>>55913732
You can get a reference 8GB 480 for cheaper than that last Nitro

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>rx 480
>$320 CDN
>rx 470
>$300 CDN

>>55913742
it's like a joke right, the rx480 was told to be a dealbreaker, now the 470 is more than 50€ pricier than i thought.

i'll probably get 2 used r9 285 now because i won't support that polaris shit

>>55913689
You think that's bad?
Here in the UK for the price of the MSI RX480 ie the only one that seems worth buying you can get a Fury.

A week ago 980 Tis were on sale and you could get an EVGA one for £40 more.

HAHAHA prices in Canada are fucked, RX 470 is $280-$330 similar price to a RX 480 & even some GTX 1060s...

You have to be a retard to buy a RX 470, you can get a 480 or a 1060 in many cases. At least in Canada.

>>55913794
yeah that's what i'm talking about, those cards aren't a bargain since those deals are available for weeks

>>55913709
The difference between Nitro 470 and reference 480 is next to nothing and the Nitro has far better cooling. Since I'm not willing to pay an extra $40 or wait for the Nitro 480 I'll take the tradeoff.

I'm running a GTX660 non ti right now anon. Don't worry, it's an upgrade.

THIS IS WHY AMD A SHIT

WHAT THE FUCK ARE THOSE PRICES.

gtx 1070 has the best bang for your buck if it fits your budget, only consider those weaker cards if you're a poorfag

>>55913825
>>55913772
that's because they're newly listed.

The prices will settle.

>>55913826
>>55913845
to be fair, this is immediately upon release. they're definitely going to try to capitalize on initial demand and in a month or two sales will start

as much as i like to laugh at impoverished AMD pajeets

>>55913848

LOL no they won't MSRP price in Canada is the best we get 9/10 times for the next 6+ months.

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>go into gpu store
>rx480 is 279€
>1060 is 379€

Explain this

>>55913857
I mean when in comes to the retailers a fucking 3rd party Nvidia 1060 is priced lower than a fucking reference rx480

Shit is funny to watch.

RX 480 owners BTFO
AMD can't do anything right and even fuck their own customers

>>55913902
maybe rx 470 might end up with the same price with the zotac 1060 upon release

the hell

>>55913902
>AMD can't do anything right and even fuck their own customers

Yeah, Nvidia is still better on that. AMDrones BTFO :^)

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what the fuck amd

I don't even know what to buy anymore

I waited enough for Poolaris to drop in price or be available.
Just gonna bit the bullet with a custom 1060 which is actually available and has higher performance for a reasonable price increase.

>>55913902

470 seems to be only 10-20€ cheaper. I don't think 480 owners feel that btfo

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>>55913141

>>55913491
You too? I'm now torn between getting the poo-in-loo 470 and going all out on a 1070.
I just want to play fucking DOOM and Farcry Primal. Maybe I can wait for 1440p for a few more years.

>>55913930
I'm doing the same actually.

>>55913925
$300 Fury. Best value card on the market bar none.

>>55913931
i bet its gonna be priced same as GTX 1060 here, because RX 480 reference here is more expensive than a custom 1060.

>>55913942
bruh, with a 1070 you can play those games silky smooth on 1440p right now for a reasonable price, you'll only live like 60-90 years in total, go for it if it's what you want

>>55913952
I wish there is a 300 USD Fury here, all i see is 550-600 USD priced Fury (and 650+ Fury X)

>>55913952
From where? I never see any going for very cheap, and the kike resellers have them up $500+

>>55913960
Yeah but then dropping $3-400 on a monitor too, something I've yet to choose. What's your employee ID tho so you can get a commish if I decide to go 1070? :^)

>>55913902
In most markets the price difference between a 470 and a 480 is $0-$20. 470 almost has no place to exist and is the stupidest card to buy, would you not pay the same or a few dollars more for 5-10% better performance?

Also calling it now 120TDP is horseshit, watch as it uses way more.

GTX 1050 WHEN????

>>55913942
If you're stuck with 1080p

gtx 1070 will be the strongest card for around 5 years i think

if like what you said you want to move to 1440p get the poo in loo so you can go cheap route then quick replacement

>>55913120
That's how hardware works anon. There's one architecture per generation because it's cheaper. They performance test them and the ones that pull more ghz are rated higher thus sold for more. The cheaper ones get some features disabled like cores or available vram or cache etc to balance it out.

>>55913975
the human eye can't see more than 720p anyway

>>55913974
Whoa there Satan. We don't want to kill AMD outright.

Hands down best card for 1080p gaming, 60 fps on ultra for nearly every game is the GTX 1060, with only 120TDP!

RX 480 is okay too if you can get one for $40-50 cheaper than a 1060.

1070 & 1080 makes no sense for only 1080p atm, they are too powerful for most games.

>>55913942
Just wait a couple of days when miners start selling their 480 in ebay.

>>55913968
Him.
I'm honestly about to just drop it on a Nitro Fury for $350 bruh.

I'm tired of waiting and this new card release has me frantic, off balance, and susceptible to making a rash purchase. Fucking pajeets did this to me.

>>55913953

Depends. I'm not really sure the 470 has the grunt to drive more than 4gb of vram, and the 4gb 480 is already 250€ in the german market for instance.
Anything 220€ and under, and the 4gb 470 has a succeed, higher than that and it get cannibalized by the 480.
I don't see the point of an 8gb 470 honestly.

>>55914007
THE FOUNDERS EDITION BULLSHIT FUCKED UP THE PRICING

SHOULD BE ONLY AROUND $380-400 but no they had to add that crap

Currently its not a good buy, but its the best future proofing if you stick with 1080p

>>55913988
I went to my friends house and play 720p, it was blurry jaggy, aint going back

If I'm upgrading to a new card, how high can I go before my i5 2500K bottle necks me?

>>55914037

*has a good chance to succeed

Autocorrect eating words is a new one

>>55914017
Because the fucking nitro is 280+ s&h.
I'm looking at the fury nitro for $350+ s&h

The only thing stopping me is MUH VRAM.
4GB HBM vs 8GB GDDR5

it really makes one think.

>>55913226
>5 percent slower
>25% cheaper

>>55913527
The biggest problem is that there are no reference cards and all the AIB cards are near the $200 mark, with some even higher than $200

Reviews are coming out and at over $180 you might as well get the RX-480

AMD shot themselves in the foot with the RX 470, if they priced it lower it would kill RX-480 sales so they priced it near the 480 which with AIBs factored in, makes the RX 470 DOA.
The RX 470 is not VR certified either.

Basically, just buy the RX 480

>>55914052
about three fiddy

>>55914079
=(

>>55914064
>vr certified
What does that even mean?

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>>55914064
>playing vr on its early stages

>>55913005
>>55913036
>>55913058
>>55913095
No. Fucking. Way.

Apparently the 470 Nitro is only 180USD

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2016/08/04/sapphire-radeon-rx-470-nitro-oc-4gb-review/1

>>55914048

If you intend to keep the 1070/1080 for 5-6 years okay fine. But a 1060 would probably be okay for next 3 years and you can drop down to high and a few tweaks and you should do fine.

Also engines are becoming more optimized, so better performance then previous generations.

>>55914115
Way better price/perf than the 480 if u don't care about the 4gb ram.

>>55914090

Means no developer is going to specifically target it, they'll do minimum 480 @ medium/high settings at certain fps and will stop optimizing after that.

>>55914090
Means that the card reaches the minimum performance needed for VR.

>>55913507
1060 is 10€ cheper than rx480 where I live

>>55914090
It means nothing because all VR games are shovelware which doesn't need much to run. The three big name games are three games. I suspect a lot will come out targeting the playstationVR which this will handle just fine. All marketing BS.

>>55913120
>7950 = 290 = fury

hahahaha what the fuck

>>55913283
>its a different architecture than polaris.

Polaris and Vega are codenames. Architecture is the same, GCN v4.

>>55912727
how does it overclock?

in my experience finfets can take a lot of extra voltage even though they'll get hot as fuck.

>>55913942
>I'm now torn between getting the poo-in-loo 470 and going all out on a 1070.

This has to be a shill post; if you were considering the 470 - a budget card - then there is no way you can afford the 1070 that costs 2.5x as much.

>>55914235
He's means the value of the one off top AMD cards is always way better than the top end. It's been going on for a while
>x800pro>1950pro>4850>5850>6950>7950>290>390>furypro>price drop nano
In theory it's again with the 470 over the 480. the old 8800GT is great example from a while back too.

>>55914306
He wants a GPU but doesn't know if he should go all out on something he might not need or have money for other things, like life.

>>55914302
Wow the 1060 is better than a 390x

I got sniped during the cart. Fuck me.

>>55914090
doesn't really mean anything, VR is a meme at this stage, maybe star citizen or something will pull it off better, but you'll want like a gtx 1080 with simultaneous multi-projection for that

>>55914714
go away chris

>>55912727

Fuck this I can't wait any more for this bullshit to sort itself out, just ordered a Nano on discount. Probably a better solution for my mITX build anyway

GTX 1060

Any chance of a new lowpro card? I'd hate to buy a 750ti just for it to get driver gimped in a month.

Hey guys, Im using HD7750 right now. Should I upgrade to RX 460?

>>55914997
RX 460 in 4 days but until it is actually in stock for purchase or if the price is reasonable is another question.

>>55915015
it's an upgrade but it wouldn't be worth the expense imo, i'd go for gtx 1060 or 1070

>>55915018
Isn't that just a single fan, full height card though? I need a low profile to slap in an optiplex.

>>55915046
nvidia is overpriced here so I have to go with AMD

>>55915058
it's polaris 11, which will be AMD's new laptop card for poor shitters who can't afford a 1070M

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>>55915058
XFX will release a lowpro

>>55912727
>$209
No thanks. The 4gb 480 is just $20 more

>>55913709
>8gb 470 Nitro costs $10 more than the 4gb 480 Nitro
What is going on

>>55915234
Turns out they released the wrong chip first.

>>55913689
>http://www.mindfactory.de/Hardware/Grafikkarten+(VGA)/Radeon+RX+Serie/RX+470.html/listing_sort/6
They removed the reference RX 480s from their shop.

Why would anyone buy this. Just pay the $20 more for a 480

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This irks me.
The RX 480 should have been released as the RX 470X given how closely these two cards perform. Either that or they should have called it the RX 480X and this card the RX 480.

What is AMD drinking?

While looking at those benchmarks something came to my mind :


What are those 480 benchmarks ? Are they the same of the launch ? Because since then they released new drivers that fixed some stuff and improved the performances.

Maybe the RX 470 had the same issues, but when they fixed the 480 they also fixed the 470.


And same goes for the 1060. If amd didn't fucked up I think the differences between the 470, 480 and 1060 would be slightly different.

Why is a GeForce GTX 960 worth 200$, but the rx 470 only 170$?

>>55913742
australia is as bad. my sister is going on murica trip tho for a while so maybe can pick one up?

>>55915820

Shhh, it just means you aren't getting ripped off, be happy.

>>55915820
older cards don't drop in price much, after a certain point they actually increase in price due to their scarcity and demand from people who want to go multi-gpu with their old cards

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>>55912727
ausfag prices
fury worth?

>>55915820
>>55915857
This and they don't suddenly get cheaper to build when a new architecture is released. It's still a bigger die, and it will cost more.

>>55915234
One is reference and the other is custom

>>55915886
Those prices are fucked up, Fury is your best bet with that.

>>55913846
see >>55913401

>>55915953
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlFiKo64kQw

>>55915968
????

>>55915989
rx 470 is cheaper but it's also weaker. if you want a race car, do you want a koenigsegg or do you want a volvo truck that has better "price/perf"?

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May as well get the 470 guys

>>55915536
They dropped the X prefix.

>>55916012
Does it run cooler and quieter than a Sapphire 480?

>>55916048
Yes. It idles slightly warmer but under load is cooler at 66c

http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/msi-radeon-rx-470-gaming-x-8gb-review,6.html

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_radeon_rx_470_gaming_x_8gb_review,8.html

Is 269€ way too much for MSI 470 8GB?

I know it migth be but i just cant wait, i need a gpu. What do i do

Link https://www.caseking.de/en/msi-radeon-rx-470-gaming-x-8g-8192-mb-gddr5-gcmc-147.html

>>55913507
price difference between GTX 1060 and RX 480/470 (they are literally priced the same) is £10-15 and the performance difference between GTX 1060 vs RX 480 OC is 20% in GTX 1060s favor.
Regardless good luck trying to find any graphics card.

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>AIB 470s beta AIB 480s to market

>>55915968
God I fucking hate those modern quirky car comedians.
Top gear was only one watchable.

>>55915536

It because the "470" is what the 480 was originally suppose to be, but AMD pump up clockspeed at the last minute in order to meet 970 performance goal and ensure that can match or beat the "1060".

That's why 480 reference boards had so many power issues. They were push beyond their deisgn original specs (It is really a 225W TDP card in a 150W TDP PCB).

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Fuck.

>>55916171
>It because the "470" is what the 480 was originally suppose to be
Nigga the RX470 is cut down. It isn't the original anything.

>>55916101
>269€
Just buy a GTX 1060 at that point, Kamerad.

>>55916101
GTX 1060 is only 10€ more and is way better
https://www.caseking.de/zotac-geforce-gtx-1060-mini-6144-mb-gddr5-gczt-082.html

>>55916070
Now that's very attractive to me.

It's this or a Zotac 1060 (for uk returns reasons).

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>>55912727
4chan throttles that shit. Only a stupid grandma would use rx 470 faggot.

RX line is just frustrating me at this point with the lack of availability.
Might just drop the extra cash on a Fury like some other anons have mentioned.

If Vega 10 is supposed to be the RX 490, what if the rumored Vega 11 (small Vega) is the RX 485? AMD's naming scheme suggests that an updated version of any card might be in play by keeping that "5" in the last digit.

Will a i5 3570k @ 4.6ghz bottleneck a 1070 or rx 490?

>>55916235
it's rumored the 490 will be a dual polaris 10 card

>>55916228
Get the fuck out of the thread Huang

Time to buy some to mine Ethereum

>>55916191

It is what AMD originally want to release Polaris chips the market in terms of TDP. AMD was forced to bump clockspeeds at the last minute in order to meet their "970-tier performance" goal. That's why reference 480 had the whole power issue.

It is telling that a factory OC "470" has practically identical performance to a reference 480. The only difference is 480 came with 8GIB of VRAM versus 470's 4GiB.

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>>55916248

>>55916272
470 has 8 GB variants

they're probably completely the same minus the disabled CUs. they might not even be lasered off, if so a bios update would enable them. similar how some lucky fury cards can be upgraded to fury x

>>55916272
>AMD was forced to bump clockspeeds at the last minute
Anon, the RX480 has more cores.

Good 2D card for me.

Memeing aside, I need 2 4K/DP outputs, and good Linux support.

i still cant buy any of the new GPUs, only some leftover stock 480 or 1060 from some never-heard-of-tier Palit
Maybe they will be in stock by the time Vega comes out?

>>55916300
>"Pajeet, our card is too weak!"
>"Add moar cores!"
>"But Pajeet, this isn't CPU! We can't do that!"
>"I SAID, MOAR CORES!"

>>55916235
Small vega is rumoured to be 4096sp, which should mean it'll hit fury @ 1200mhz+ sort of power, hopefully with a few more rops as well.

Big vega is 6000sp, which is 50% up on small vega which should put it in the titanX ballpark.

Again these are still rumours. But they probably aren't too far off considering fiji was originally a 20nm design and the kind of performance they need to hit to compete with nvidia.

>>55916346
Palit is based as fuck.

>>55916006
He said the 1070 has the best bang for buck, so I directed him to the post that proved him wrong

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>I bought a 480
Still enjoy it coming from a gtx 460 but holy FUCK

>>55914296
Guru3d got it to 1380/1850. It gained 4/6 fps at 1440p over base msi gaming x clock or 8 fps over reference clocks.

>>55913005
>>55913036
>>55913058
>>55913095
>>55913188

thats so sad. the 470 shitting all over the 780 ti like that.

i feel so bad for keplar users.

>>55916565
gtx 1070 has the bigger bang, imo you can't just scale price/perf linearly (hence the koenigsegg/volvo truck analogy), like if you get $1 chink earphones, sure they're 100 times cheaper than $100 earphones, but they're so fucking shit that you wouldn't even pay $1 for them, there's no point in getting a rx 470 if you already have a somewhat decent gpu, it's not a very big upgrade to justify getting a whole new card

>>55917357
If you're focusing on price/perf then you probably don't have a decent gpu. The only thing I'm saying is that the 1070 is not the best price/perf gpu

>>55917415
fair enough

>>55916581
>I bought a 480
>I bought AMD
you dun goofed

>>55917488
XD

>>55913095
>>55913058
>>55913036
wow the same chip gives the same performance at the same 1266mhz

thanks for the heads up /v/

>>55916540
Palit is shit tier

>>55913307
>or a double GPU polaris.
only currytech are speculating this, stop parroting shitty rumors

>>55917746
Well, if they rush the card they might just do that. It's not like AMD didn't release double-gpu cards.

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>>55917304
Just upgrade to 1080 goy, you dont need useless 780ti!

>>55913825
none of them are available anyway.

>>55917769
they stopped doing midrange double gpus and have only done a flagship comprised of their two fastest single gpus in the last half decade

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why even live. I just got home too.

why not just buy 470 and upgrade it to 480 via bios update?

>>55917871
Don't feel too bad, they were sold out within 15 minutes of being listed.
Low supply, buttcoiners and scalpers are a horrible combination.

>>55917871
>powercolor
A loving parent could tolerate your anime but paganism is going too far.

>>55917955
it's not yet verified whether that's possible

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>>55917976
>believing in jewish fairytale fanfictions

Where's the 460? I want new card for my htpc

>>55918283
i never understood this

why is iGPU not enough? what could an rx 460 offer you that a broadwell 5775c with iris graphics can't?

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>Mods crack down on Chinese cartoons but AMD shilling is constant and unending

fuck you, mods

>>55918340
>43'c
>not a bead of sweat

My suspension of disbelief can only stretch so far.

>>55918373

Plus her mouth just screams QUALITY. Alas I doubt /g/ knows the glory of QUALITY.

>>55918387
>Alas I doubt /g/ knows the glory of QUALITY.
not everyone is as painfully new as you are

>>55918403

Sure thing boss. I did just migrate from Gaia after all.

>>55918324
I use discrete gpu on my server - I can use that gpu with vt-d with multiple guests. I can use the same pc for gaming, server, nas and htpc. What's there not to get? Better deal than buy separate hardware for everything.

If the RX 470 is only slightly more expensive than a GTX 750Ti, I might reconsider the components of my PC build.

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>>55918387
call the cops idgaf
this guy's art is good

>>55918479
>sample
dumb newfag

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>AMD kept pushing the RX 470 as the $150~ value card
>day of release its within a 10-20 dollar range of the RX 480

Fuck you AMD
Why would anyone buy an RX 470 if the 480 can be had at 15 dollars more? Why are there so many aftermarket cards on the day of this fuckers release, when the 480 has fuck all aftermarket cards? WHY ARE THERE RX 470s THAT ARE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE RX 480?

>>55917779
>newer technology is better than older technology

>>55918697
AMDfags can't understand this because their company is 3 years behind Nvidia.

They think if you don't keep the same GPU for 10 years it's useless.

>>55918697

The 290x disagrees.

>>55918761
>290X
>uses more power than two 980s in SLI, has the pull of a reference 980 when overclocked to ~1070 MHz, heats up your case like nobody's business, and dies within two years

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>>55918761

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>>55918817

Why would someone do this, go on the internet and lie?

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>Nvidia creates the Titan X, most powerful single GPU
>Makes a version that's cheaper and lower power consumption in a year(980ti)
>Makes a version that's even cheaper and even lower in power consumption(1070), while succeeding it with the Titan X 2016 and 1080

Within 2 years Nvidia just improved their technology twice over.

In 2 years AMD creates a knockoff of the 970 and uses their "MOAR VRAM!!!!" strategy to delude people into buying their shit.

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when the fuck 480 nitro is going to be available
still nowhere to be found

>>55918832
Because that's what nvidiots do best

>>55918856
dumb frogposter

>>55915937
No you idiot, I clearly stated both are Sapphire's Nitro cards in my posts.

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>>55913005
>very high

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>>55918926

>Because that's what nvidiots do best

You certainly aren't wrong there.

All these fucking poorfag shit tier cards from AMD. R9 290 owner here. There is literally NOTHING to upgrade to from AMD.

>>55918652
To be fair the reference RX 470 is $150.

>>55918967

A balls to the wall overclocked 290 can keep up with a 980ti in most DX12 games - hawaii simply doesn't have an upgrade path yet.

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>>55918988
>amd reference cooler

>>55919072
>thinking he needs anything more for fucking 120W TDP

>>55919098
>thinking noise doesn't matter

>>55919123
>thinking it does

>>55919143
>being this autistic

>>55919123
this shit again. WHO FUCKING CARES ABOUT NOISE. JUST USE A FUCKING HEADSET YOU MONGOLOID

So, is this the right time to buy a new middle class PC? Doesn't look like new Intels or Zen will come out soon.

>>55919161
>babby's first pc build
>doesn't know how to reduce noise levels
>thinks saving a few bucks is more important than not having a loud as shit pc

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It's 2014 all over again. Fucking coin miners.

>>55919191
>Doesn't look like new Intels or Zen will come out soon.
They come out by the end of the year. Kaby Lake is already shipping to OEMs and retailers in launch preparations and Zen is rumored for a paper launch in November.

>>55919191
>>55919223
>zen
it's gonna be shit

>>55919227
its going to have similar performance to skylake anyways. intel doesnt even focus on performance increase anymore, only better heat dissipation for mobile devices.

>>55919098
Cards will draw up to 140. Get an aftermarket cooler. So far I haven't even seen a reference card anyway

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>>55919223
>2016
>mining lelcoins with GPUs


aren't there cheaper methods that consume a tenth of the power and provide five times the performance?

>out of stock

How hard is it to meet your fucking demand?

>>55919399
There are custom ASIC methods but I don't know if those devices are actually for sale. Only the really big mining companies have them.

This is interesting. The FPS difference is actually pretty marginal but the 470 seems to have frame time issues.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVCKIvVGc54

>mining ruins AMD once more
Thanks a lot Pajeet
GTX 1060 it is

>>55919399
Dedicated ASIC hardware would fit the bill. The thing is if you're smart enough to make DIY breadboards and write the software to make it work you're smart enough to know that buttcoins will never give a ROI.

>>55913123
Not that one. That's an 8 gig factory overclocked 470. No way will it be under $200. (The RX 470 is specified for 4 gigs and a slightly lower clock than the 480.)

>>55919473
>amd makes gtx 970 clone
>gimps it too

>>55919490
>The RX 470 is specified for 4 gigs and a slightly lower clock than the 480.
So the 8 gig 470 is just a 480 with lower clock speeds and some locked cores?

>>55914323
>remembers all the back to the x800pro
>oldfag confirmed
>respect gained

>>55914714
>maybe star citizen or something will pull it off better
Doubt it. VR should be build for from the ground up. SC isn't.

>>55919542
All 470s are 480s with lower clock speeds and some locked cores. I guess both GPUs are available with 4 GiB and 8 GiB variants (I thought the 470 would be 4 GiB only, I guess I was wrong.) AIB manufacturers seem to be ignoring the "lower clock speeds" part and clocking them right back up to 480 levels though.

>>55915070
get a 470 at least, 460 is just too shit to warrant a good upgrade

>>55919584
>>55919542
The reference 470 is supposed to have 4GB, but AIB partners can up that to 8GB without a hassle. The 470 and 480 use physically identical GPUs, after all.

>all these benchmarks comparing reference 480 with third party 470
why

>>55919772
Because AIB 480's are pretty much nonexistent.

>>55919772
Because at the moment they're almost identical in both price and performance. It doesn't make any sense and /g/ seems to have caught on to that quickly.

>w1zzard still refusing to put the 4gb 480 in his price vs performance charts

This is starting to get blatant.

Not the first time AMD's done this (releasing models that are too close together performance-wise.) The 290 was basically a louder 290X.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7481/the-amd-radeon-r9-290-review/17

>>55919954
Isn't the issue that vendors are holding back their more expensive cards and then selling the cheaper cards at a premium price?

>>55919954

While hawaii has been a good deal all told the 290 - especially when the price crashed around the 970 release - was deal of the century for nearly a year until the stock finally ran out late last year/early this year.

>>55919997
I don't think that's what's happening here. NVIDIA rolled out their premium shit first this gen, as is traditional. If anything the 1060 is more scarce than the 70 and 80, so it's not like they're trying to hold back their high-end stuff.

You can make that argument more convincingly for AMD, but AMD has basically ceded the top-end market until October. You couldn't buy a new AMD flagship if you wanted to because it doesn't exist. If you're stupid enough to waste your money buying a midrange card when you really want a flagship, that's your fault.

What AMD is really doing is not funneling people away from flagships and toward the midrange. They're funneling people away from NVIDIA and toward themselves.

Honestly both AMD and NVIDIA are kind of disappointing this gen. The 480 was hyped to match the GTX 980 for performance (not just on /g/, it was strongly implied by the RTG head,) but it just didn't. Meanwhile, at MSRP the 1060 should have been better value, but you just can't buy a 1060 at MSRP right now.

Both companies had chances to completely outmaneuver the other, and both of them fucked it up. Advantage currently AMD, IMO, but barely.

>>55920118
Fury is fast enough to be their high end. Prices have really dropped, you can find temporary sales in the low 300s

>>55920158
Sure, but $300 isn't really flagship territory, and the Fury isn't really flagship level performance at this point.

I don't disagree with this part of AMD's strategy BTW. For a few weeks before the 1060 dropped they had no competition (except maybe used 970s) and they were moving a ton of silicon. Even now the 1060 is still scarce and overpriced and AMD is taking advantage of it.

They just didn't hit a good performance level IMO. If the 480 was a little faster it would disrupt the market more than it has. All they had to do was get pickier in their binning, ship with an 8-pin power connector, and use a cooler that wasn't total ass, and they'd have something that could trade blows with a 980. As it is, they have good value, not amazing value.

>>55920282
>they were moving a ton of silicon
They still are. The 480 is getting bought up by miners by the hundreds at a time

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>Going to buy a card on Saturday before I go back to college
>Would like an RX 470
>Local Micro Centers literally have no RX series cards in stock
Looks like I'm gonna have to buy a Zotac Mini 1060 unless those dry up too because they're the only thing available below 1070's

>>55920312
just reserve one

>>55920469
Most retailers don't do that.

>>55920491
B&H does

>>55920469
Gaming GPUs/CPUs are in-store purchase only

If your playing at 1080 literally why even buy a 480 over a 470

>>55920547
microcenter a shit go somewhere else
www.nowinstock.net/computers/videocards/amd/rx470/

>>55920549
It's not that much more expensive and it's more future-proof. 480 also probably has better silicon due to binning.

Not saying it's a terrible idea to buy a 470, but if you want a reason to buy a 480, that would be it.

>>55913136

Not rop starved. Modern games are rarely rop bound.

It's geometry throughput that's the main limiting factor.

>>55920118
>RTG
RTG may refer to:

RTG (trainset), a gas turbine-powered train from France (French « Rame à Turbine à Gaz », "Gas Turbine Trainset")
Radeon Technology Group, who produces a brand of computer products, and is a division of Advanced Micro Devices
Radio Télévision Guinéenne, a public broadcaster in Guinea
Radioisotope thermoelectric generator, a nuclear electrical generator
Radiotelegraph, in air transport parlance
Regular tree grammar, a formal grammar
Renal threshold of glucose, a factor in the medical condition glycosuria
ReTargetable Graphics, a device driver API for the AmigaOS operating system
Royal Thai Government
Rubber Tyred Gantry crane

>>55920309
>The 480 is getting bought up by miners by the hundreds at a time
but why? which memecoins are profitable to mine on gpus?

>>55913146
The 470 is a 120w card just like the 1060

>>55920655
Thank you for your useless post, if you can't guess which one I meant you're a retard.

>>55920655

I wonder which of those makes the most sense in this context.

>>55920740
>>55920755
>taking the bait

>>55920777

Its not bait if /g/ genuinely is that retarded (which it is). This place is less coherent than youtube comments.

>>55920549
there's like 10-15% performance difference between the AMD cards.

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>>55920777

if you just wait until next year you can get a better card for the same price

>>55920832
The great thing about this is that it's never not true.

>>55920829
(You)

>>55920832
and then there's next year, and then there's the next year after that, and so on

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>>55912739

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>still no games worth upgrading my 290 for
why are you guys so petty

>>55913869
some dude at work was selling a 1080 for 500 on the internal classifieds, sold in 5 minutes and i missed it

>>55920918
because people bought gpus before the 290?

>>55920609
If that was true then any card would be able to do 4K no problem. It's pixel shader throughput that's the issue, AFAIK. Same hardware used for both though.

>>55920696
Ethereum and it's bastard child. It's currently one of the few coins that can be mined on GPU's still since it was made to be mined by GPU's.

>>55913882
>go into GPU store
>rx480 is 350€
>1060 is 320€

Explain this.

>>55921000
That's just how it worked out, I guess. Can't you get a better deal ordering online though?

>>55920960
just buy whatever is cheapest that runs the games you play at your desired resolution/framerate

why bother posting arbitrary benchmarks

Looking to upgrade my GTX 460. What should I get?

>>55920998
so is ethereum legit or what's the deal? how come i never see it get mentioned in >>>/g/dpt, isn't it supposed to enable people to make apps for it that use eth as "fuel"

>>55920696
no one is mining with gpus anymore, its just a meme perpetuated by newfags

>>55921037
RX 470

>>55914125
4gb is still enough for 1080p, especially at that price point. It's basically a 290/x for $180 and much lower tdp

So its pretty safe to say the 470 would make a worthy upgrade from my 7870? 1080p only

>>55921555
Oh yeah. Comfortably. But maybe wait until supply issues get sorted out and the price goes down.

>>55921574
Will it be enough of an upgrade from a gtx 670?

I'm poorer than i used to be but was gifted a 1440p monitor.

Is it worth buying a 470 at $200? That's the cheapest and while the 480 4gb may never be in stock again, it'd probably be better to spend more for the 480 or 1060.

>>55921574
I hope prices drop a litte but they always seem to go up

>>55921638
it won't be a mind-blowing upgrade, might be better to save your money for another year if you can't afford a gtx 1070

>>55921638
The 670 appears to be a pretty close match to the GTX 960. And the 480 certainly beats the 960 no problem.

But the 960 and 670 should still be usable for modern gaming if you don't insist on high settings. I have a GTX 970m (about the same amount of power as both of those other cards) and it's basically fine.

>>55918340
>it's only wrong when they shill for AMD

>>55921733
I'm pretty much limited to bf4 medium settings, which abruptly looks nicer on a 30 inch 1440p screen, but I'm also getting gta v soon and while I should be fine on 60fps, I don't want to be limited to low settings.

Guess I'll save up for a while and hopefully the 490 will by out by then. Worst case scenario, 490 is a flop but 1070 prices drop, or might get a 480 instead of 1070...

>>55913136
>For the last 3 gens this has been repeating itself
For the last 3 gens AMD has recycled the tired old GCN.

>>55921893
GCN is still a good arch

>>55918373
that's a gas water heat control panel, the water in the shower is set to that temperature, it has nothing to do with room temperature.