THANK YOU BASED NVIDIA

>>55406972
>$300 for only the only one viable version with 6gb vram
>$600 prices spotted on Skytech store. Expect another paper launch
>No SLI allowed
>Even Nvidia is ashamed of this card

I want it to be good since I need an upgrade that doesn't fry my motherboard but holy fuck there is no reason to be hyped atm.

>>55407103
There should be a $250 version that will work fine.

Wait for the benchmarks.

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>>55406972
>3gb vram
>192bit
I will never win with nvidia unless I buy those super expensive Gtx™ 1070©©©© founders™ edition®. Why can they just make a perfect 1080p card, I'm tired of my amd gpu.

>>55406972
finally a real GPU

>>55407117
>3gb vram in 2016 for 250$ while you can have nearly three times as much for the same money.
>brand loyalty going this far.

>>55407126
did she died

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>>55407206
Forgot pic

>>55407206
RAM doesn't make much of a difference in performance.

You can see this how the 3.5GB 970 actually beats the 8GB 480 in many benchmarks.

should I get the 3GB version or the 3.5GB?

>>55407206
>"weehee 8gigs of vram!! take this nvidiots!!!"
>PCI-E/mobo is fucked
dumb amdrones, every single time

>>55407229
> doesn't make much of a difference in performance
...Right now.

>>55407213
The chair is fine.

>>55406972
>they're making a Sucker Edition for the midrange card

Huh? I thought midrange buyer were supposed to be frugal. Will they really fall for that shit like 1070/1080 buyers?

>>55407271
If anything that FE shit is just their regular reference model and because it sort of looks better they decided to call it a premium feature and charge shitload for it. 1070 was supposed to cost $389 and here we are - month after release you can't get it for less than $440. I know it's not Nvidia shills fault for AMD fuck ups but that's what the market looks like when you have no concurrency - Expect a $350 price tag on that 6gb non ref 1060 gtx.

>>55407339
The 1060 FE has no SLI connector and the 6pin power connector is off the PCB so you can't put an aftermarket cooler on it. It's a super sucker edition for extra retarded downies.

Yeah you're right about the pricing; RX 480 8GB is $430+ here in AUS. I expect the 1060 6GB will be $500+. A $500 midrange card. Fucking hilarious. Sad, but hilarious.

>>55406972
>Being poor not just getting the 1080 that came out months ago

Why even shill if your gonna parade the card for poorfags.

so this is 980ti performance ????

>>55407229
>You can see this how the 3.5GB 970 actually beats the 8GB 480 in many benchmarks.
Clearly, none of these benchmarks used more than 3,5GB.

>>55407241
>buying reference cards ever

>>55407486
No wonder since both 1080 and 970 aren't 1440p cards.

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>>55407435

>>55406979
So it dont have any addition power connector?

>>55407486
>>55407229
I'd love to see a heavy OCed 970 vs 480 bench. AMD shills always skip that part, same way they didn't mention Ocing with 390.

>>55407544
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B1EKN8E3aY

There you go. Seems fair since 480 can't oc anyway.
>AMDrones on suicide watch as their 2016 card can't compete with a 2014 card.

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You need a stupidly expensive motherboard to have two 16 lane pcie slots anyway so fuck it. Summary on what I know about it so far please correct me/add info. How much gain in performance is the 1070/80 seeing per core clock increase btw???
>NV rep claimed it can hit 2ghz+ (not sure what this means for this architecture)
>3/6gb
>Paper launch unless they have a fuck ton of failed pascal chips, which is possible
>Less demand since it has competition from 480/470 soon/all the 970s selling right now
> .6 more nVidia "performances" faster than stock 480

>>55407435
It's 980 performance

>>55406972
>Paper launch on the 7th.
>Severely limited FE on the 14th.
>Actual launch on October.
>5.5GB
>More expensive than the RX480
Thanks nvidia for making me buy a RX480.

>>55407730

>>55407758
lol

>>55407758
Indians poo in a loo, true miracle.

>>55407618
>failed pascal chips

1060 is GP106. It's not a 1080 cut.

>>55407220
nice. artist?

>>55407576
8pin connector 480 cards can oc nicely

>>55407868
Warran Ellis

>>55407758

>indians
>using a toilet

>>55407919
thx

>>55407758
>india
>toilet
Thank Jesus for this miracle

>>55407229
Explain how a 4gb 480 got lower fps than the 8 gb version in all of the benchmarks released

>>55407897
>8pin connector 480 cards can oc nicely
8 pin cards will have the same problem

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>>55407961
Kyle dosent think so, shill

>>55407957
It's like a 2 fps difference between 4GB and 8GB.

RAM makes almost zero difference, it's used as marketing.

>>55408010
All of this backtracking now. First it won't matter, and now it doesnt matter much. Memory will only get more important in dx12 titles (the future) now that you can have 600x more draw calls than dx11.

>>55407999
1600MHz can be actually pretty dope for 480

no LED lights?
i might as well get gtx730 and get the same performance
LED lights adds about 15 fps

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Remember when AMD was stupid in giving tahiti 3gb because 2gb was more than you'll ever need for 1090p? Remember when AMD was stupid to give hawaii 4gb because 3gb is all you'll ever need?

Hint: ram doesn't matter until you run out of it and for all intents and purposes there is no downside to having more.

>>55408032

Ram doesn't matter and DX12 doesn't matter because I fucking say so!

>>55408032
does DX12 actually need more ram or are you implying that with DX12 you can have bigger reso?

>>55407999
If true we will see some waterblock models for sure.

>>55408032
There was no backtracking, look at the previous posts, I always said RAM makes almost no difference.

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>>55408058
It makes a difference only when needed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Hbc6AyFIks
>>55408058

>>55408058

Need? No

Can make use of? Yes.

>>55407811
Thank you! I had no idea. It must be designed for really high yields or their prices are totally justified. I naturally assumed any series of products based on the same lithography and arch would be binned like that. Are all of the Skylake desktop non-k chips made from failed 6700ks? Is the 470 and 460 just going to be failed 480s?

I heard that the 480 was designed to be mass produced and will probably be in consoles so I'm assuming that the 470 and 460 will be identical with just lower quality or less memory and underclocked.

>>55408066
Of course.
>>55408054
Someone finally gets it. But a smaller bus does matter.
480 sapphire nitro with a 8pin connector is the way to go. If you have the shekels you get the nvidia flagship and be a good goy but you're stupid if you get a crippled 3gb 1060.

>>55408173
All this speculation with nothing to back it up. 1060 is supposed to be 15% faster than an RX 480. If it sells for $250, it will be well worth it.

>sli disabled

>>55408223
>doing sli

>>55408212
Faster in what? clock speed, firestrike score, warm up time? Why do you keep quoting marketing as fact?

>>55408212
Source - Nvidia
Not sure about that.
250$ for a 3gb card is not any kind of worth it, a used well oc'ing 970 would be a better choice.

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>>55408274
Those are the only facts we have to go on. The slide leaked says 15% better performance and 25% better VR performance.

ITS HAPPENING $250 6GB 1060

AMD IN FLAMES

AMD IS FINISHED

>>55408296
No way in hell would a 970 be better than a 1060 at $250.

>>55408261
>limiting your options

>>55408321
SLI/crossfire is just generally a bad decision, but plenty of people like to make bad decisions

>>55408316
Already confirmed to be $300 by the owner of a UK retailer.

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>>55408306
>0.1% faster
>5.5GB of memory

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486,90€

>>55408367
The graph isn't percentage, it's just some arbitrary performance marker.

480 = 1
1060 = 1.15

1060 is 15% faster than the 480

>>55408389
This cannot be. The 1070 is €500.

>>55407576
Polaris really is one of the biggest let downs.

November 2013 R9 290 40 CU 2304 cores 1100 mhz $399
July 2016 RX 480 36 CU 2560 cores 1266 mhz $240

Exact same performance.

Nvidia
November 2013 780 ti 2880 Cuda cores 876 mhz $699
July 2016 1060 1260 Cuda cores 1700 mhz $299

1060 is 15% faster than 780 ti with half the cores.

15% faster in broken Tomb Rider DX12 )))

>>55408389
ebin :D

>>55408420
b-but muh power efficiency

>>55408416
It's not.

The best idea we have is that the 3gb 1060 will be $250 and the 6gb will be $280

>>55408355

$300 or £300? Big difference.

In b4 Gibbo.

>>55408389
lol My 1070 was 509€.

>>55408468
Not as big as it was before brexit :^)

>>55406972
>>>/v/
>>>/biz/

Marketting of all sorts is not allowed, fuck off shill

>>55408481
inno3d?

>>55408535
Founders Edition

If this comes out at $250, the 480 will basically be dead in the water.

>>55407618
>You need a stupidly expensive motherboard to have two 16 lane pcie slots anyway so fuck it.

SLI runs on two 8 lanes. Many $130 Z class intel boards will have that.

Look at game frame rates and 15% over the 480 puts it the gtx 980.
Take the gtx 1070 and adjust its game frame rates by 70% to equal the 1060s cuda core difference and you also get gtx 980 speed.
Do a ratio comparing the 1070 and 980 ti tflop count to frame rate performance and adjust that to the 1060s tflop count and you also get gtx 980 speed.
Given the 1070 clock scaling 1060 hitting 2k mhz pretty much means it will overclock to the same degree as a 980. So 1060 @ 2k mhz = 980 @ 1400 mhz.

Pascal naming and pricing has been 2 steps ahead in performance and one step ahead in pricing compared to pascal cards of the same naming class i.e

1070 performs like a 980 ti priced like a 980
1080 performs one step ahead of 980 ti priced like a 980 ti
given that 1060 will perform like 980 and be priced like the 970.

Being loyal to any brand is cuck worthy.

I liked AMD up until NVIDIA's 700 cards.
I liked NVIDIA up until their price-gouging 1000 lineup.
AMD will probably be my choice until NVIDIA's $/Performance ratio decreases.

>>55408579
>1070 performs like a 980 ti priced like a 980
>1080 performs one step ahead of 980 ti priced like a 980 ti
>given that 1060 will perform like 980 and be priced like the 970.

These prices are wildly inaccurate

Really what nvidia has done is added $50 to their previous gen to get the 10 series prices.

The 960 was $200, therefore the 1060 will most likely be $250

>>55408579
There are 980Ti's sitting at 450 on newegg. I don't see how the extra 300 NVIDIA wants for the 1080 is justified.

>>55408680
>extra 300
But you can get a 1080 for $620.

>>55408680
>>55408654
These. If anything the RX480 has greatly disrupted GPUs prices. It will take some time for things to settle and that is not accounting for the 2nd hand market that went crazy a few days before the RX480.
I even suspect AMD has room to cut the RX480 prices a bit more if they need to but knowing nvidia's jeweness they may not need to if price/performance of the 1060 follows the 10xx line.

>>55408680
Of course it isn't justified. The 1070/980 ti is 80-85% of the 1080's performance while being 64% of the price.

980 performance for $249 with 2GB extra GDDR5 memory is still much cheaper than GTX 980 4GB

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>>55408779
980 Ti is not quite that good. 1070 fits there, though.

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>>55408823

>>55408829
>ref vs aftermarket
?

>>55408712
Show me. I can't seem to find them for less than 800.

>>55408844
They're sold out everywhere, but when they're in stock you can get one for $620

>>55408844
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487246

The only thing you need to do is not be superslow when they restock.

>>55408839

The 1080 is overclocked in that chart as well. What is worth noting is 980ti's tend to skim 1500mhz when pushed to the limit on air so performance of such a card would be even closer to (and sometimes rivalling) the 1800mhz 1080 in the chart.

>>55408739
The 480 isn't really going to effect nvidias pricing much. The 980 ti was always going to drop with the 1070 at $430.

price / performance
1080 $670 100%
1070 $440 80%
1060 $300 65%
rx 480 $240 55%

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>considering an 192bits card that's crippled on DX12 games as an "upgrade" for your system

>>55408823
It depends on clocks and the 980 ti is a little cheaper than the 1070 as well. $399 on newegg.

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>>55407241
>muh pcie slot power draw.

>>55408864
>The 1080 is overclocked in that chart as well
And? Reference cards basically always overclock worse than non-reference cards. That's why you don't compare reference cards to non-reference cards.

>What is worth noting is 980ti's tend to skim 1500mhz when pushed to the limit on air
http://hwbot.org/hardware/videocard/geforce_gtx_980_ti/
Not the average one.

I imagine that's how far their 980 Ti went, and also how far how their 1080 went. You don't just go "well some 980 Tis clock to this much so it'd beat it then" while ignoring that their 1080 sample may not be a good one.

Seriously, learn to do unbiased comparisons instead of doing it in a way that reinforces your point the most. It's dishonest, and forces me to call you out on retarded shit.

>>55408975
Most non reference 980 ti boost to around 1400mhz stock clocks. 1500 really isn't anything special.

>>55407103
>buying mid to low range card to SLI/CF
how dumb are you? Single better card always the way to go.

>>55408975

>That's why you don't compare reference cards to non-reference cards.

Even if a 1080 reached 2.1ghz its still not going to be that far beyond a 980ti - most likely in the regon fo 25% faster.

The 1080 is fast sure, but its not that much faster than previous flagship. A custom cooled titan x (lol nvidia's reference or gtfo rules) would equally provide serious competition to said 2.1ghz 1080.

The point here is the 1080 is a poor card given the benefits such a large node shrink should give. In fact clock for clock the 1080 is worse than a 980ti.

>>55408959
> 64 Watts Avg
can't you guys understand that? 480 spikes much higher too, but the point is: it draws more than 75 ON AVERAGE in some workloads.
meaning it constantly puts your pcie on strain till it fucking melts.

and this comes from a 270x owner who was hoping to replace it with rx480 (well, i'll still consider it or rx470 i guess), but i guess im not deluded?

>>55409053
Paying $600 for two 1060s now isn't a good option the problem is it will prevent someone who buys one now from buying another cheap one in a few years to sli when it starts to age. Its a form of forced obsolescence.

>>55407255
It seems like the chair is fine, indeed, chairs are different on my country tho.

so this (1060) will supposedly have the same performance as 980 and will cost around 150E in EU..
So is it worth getting a used 980 for 300 to 350E over 1060?
Will this 1060 be FE and there for a bit more expensive than non reference ones that will come later?

>>55409242
typo i mean 350E in EU

>>55409242
I don't think they'll be charging a premium for FE this time around

If you look closely, they're using a plastic shroud which imitates the mostly aluminum design of the founders edition blower for the GTX 1070/80

You probably won't even be able to purchase a reference style 1060 with the nvidia blower design. It'll likely only be available to OEMs like Dell to use in their systems. I'd wager most card designs will be aftermarket or aftermarket plastic blower styles. At least that's what usually happens with lower-tier/midrange cards

>>55409242
It will cost around €300-€350.
>So is it worth getting a used 980 for 300 to 350E over 1060?
We still do not know how it performs but I doubt nvidia isn't hyping to try to stop the RX480 selling well.
>Will this 1060 be FE and there for a bit more expensive than non reference ones that will come later?
Depends how much of a paper launch this is. I suspect a very big paper launch given that everyone reports nvidia got surprised by the RX480 and had to release the 1060 much earlier than planned. My take is that you won't see the card stocked on shops regularly until October. Thus prices will be high until them.

>>55409330
It will be nowhere near that. 1060 will be $250 to $300 depending on the RAM.

>>55409368
in USA without a tax maybe. But in EU the prices go up always.

>>55407229
doesn't make a difference because you never use a program that uses more than 3.5 GB of VRAM you tard.

>>55407103
If Vram is so important, why are AMD cards still complete and utter shit despite having monstrous amounts of it?

>>55407271
>Nobody's going to pay a 100% service charge.
>Well, it's a policy that ensures a healthy mix of the rich and the ignorant, sir.

>>55407435
give it a few weeks for the drivers to work their magic, it can't be all at once or it's too obvious.

>>55410078

Go look up mirror's edge catalyst benchmarks - the 4gb cards choke and die on the top preset. Yes this does mean the fury cards die a painful death but equally the 390 crushes the 970.

>>55408054
Huang is a scummy businessman, he has no technical knowledge of GPUs whatsoever.

>>55408574
yeah those Nvidia office cubicle cards are really taking a stranglehold on the market.

N O C R O S S F I R E

Nvidia is finished in the budget market

>>55410078
nice non-argument there wannabe shill

>>55406972
oh look, another card i can't afford

>>55407758
>clogged toilet
>india
nigga that's bullshit and you know it
that water was probably more clean than tap water

>>55408906
why does it matter if it's not 128 or 256 bit? is 192 unstable or what

>>55410625
It doesn't matter at all

192bit is half of 384bit and many high end cards have shipped with 384bit memory bus

But stupid people always need to be stupid I guess

>>55410672
i see, k, thanks

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>>55409263
that's a slight difference.
<- for a second there you made me this happy

>>55409409
since you can get rx480 for ~$199 in Germany for example, perhaps you'll be able to get 1060 for the same MSRP price too.
let's just wait and see.

If 1060 is $250 or even 250EUR I'm afraid I'll get a NV this time.

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The GTX 1080 is coming out
>wait for the 1070 benchmarks

The GTX 1070 is coming out
>wait for the RX 480 benchmarks

The RX 480 is coming out
>wait for the 1060 benchmarks

Will it ever end?

>>55410848
Atleast you're getting something
I'm still waiting for zen

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>>55410848
You fuck, wait for VEGA benches in October.

>>55408645
this.

i just started pcing last year with an r9 390 that i bought used but now im cosidering a 1070 for nvidia's new multi display scaling wizardy. If that feature is also passed down to the 1060 then i'd consider that as well. The 480 or vega also has my interest peaked, but nvidia kinda has me by the balls with that feature. I always wanted to run 3 1080p monitors but was kind of turned off by how older solutions warped the image on the 2 outer screens.

all nvidia has to do is not fuck up after prices have calmed down and the scalpers start getting desperate with their investments rapidly loosing value; and I'll probably bite on a 1070 on the cheap from said desperate scalper on CL

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>>55409129

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ok lol

>>55410915
I don't know what you are talking about. I have been multi-monitor setups for years with no issue.

>>55410848
no it won't.

you need to find one that you'll like enough to be fine with it being out shadowed in less than 6 months and stick with it for a while. but you should always wait for bench marks to come out for the particular one you want rather than gambling with pre ordering.

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>>55407999
>400mhz OC on an AMD card once again

Honestly, a 3GB GTX 1060 with a 6GB option is the most Nvidia thing I can think of.

Too VRAM little on the low end, and too much on the high end (for the card's power at least). And all with a trash memory bus.

Only $269.99* Nvidia buyers!
(*3GB version)

Please AMD, stop being so unrelentingly terrible and just put out a good card without fucking shit drivers and housefire TDP!

>>55410848
You should buy whenever you feel you need a new gpu but it is also idiotic no waiting a few months when releases of two new architectures happen in such a short time. But yes unless you are going for enthusiast level GPUs (wait for vega) then once reviews of the 1060 are out you should really make a decision, further waiting will not do you any good unless you wait for the next generation in which case you really didn't need a GPU upgrade that badly.

>>55411015
>*2.5GB
>*5.5GB
fify

>>55411003
can't believe you goys are still falling for this shit even after seeing what the 480 is like after release, it's mind-boggling

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>>55407229
yea totally
once the benchmark requires more than 3.5 gb vram it shits the bed of course

>>55410848
Yes, HBM2 will btfo everything. I honestly feel sad for the cucks that buy cards that barely run 1440p acceptably.

>>55411105
No, the idea is that it should be 4GB by default. They always give cards 1GB less than the most they could use.

Look at the 2GB 680/770 or the 3GB 780Ti.

>>55410952
its not a big issue but it erks me enough.
the feature is called SMP simultaneous multi display
pretty much when you 3x monitor the computer sees it as a big flat display. the game produce a pie cut of a 360 degree image from a single viewpoint and will only look correct in the middle screen. the other outer screens will be warped or have a fish eye effect. What ever nvidia did fixes the fish eye effect for the outer screens.

>>55408645
> muh price per performance

Why not just go with an APU or something. Price per performance is an absolutely shit metric for enthusiast cards.

>>55410326
> 0.01% of games support crossfire
> 1% of those are actually any good
>inb4 muh ashes of singularity

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>>55411293
dx12 is the future my friend, why can't we all play along together?

>>55409129
They dont want to undestand cos AMDrones

>>55409129
All your concerns will end when the new drivers drop tomorrow. Powergate is over and done.

>>55411401
>AOS
Why ppl still think this garbage broken game is relevant benchmark?

>>55411456
Don't you see the benefit and advantage of playing nice together, and what developers can achieve if they properly do their job?

Why does everyone throw out witcher 3?

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>>55410275
They choke on 1440p, this is not a fucking 1440p card and the 390 is neither.

>>55407103
>no sli
They're probably going the pci route like amd

>>55411456

Just because nvidia can't perform well on DX12, this doesn't mean the game game is broken.

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>>55411501
my 390 runs witcher 3 at 1440p 50fps without the jewworks options
what the fuck are you saying senpai

>>55411170
I halfway still believe 3gb(2.5) is actually a 1050.

>>55407241
>another buttblasted no-vidya goy repeating what they hear
Keep at it, the way its ment to be paid

>>55408306
Ah, the old trick of not starting the chart from the beginning, as you can see on the bottom of the picture, the image is not fairly representing the performance difference at all.

>>55411518
So Witcher 3 is relevant as AOS.
Why AMD cant perform well in W3? Drivers and cards are bad?

>>55411456
I don't know. No one plays it, its a glorified benchmark pretending to be a game. Its made by shitty Stardock but people pretend its tech savvy. Everything about dx12, vulkan and async might as well theoretical for all the impact it is having on the majority of actual game releases.

I'm saying this and I actually like AMD. When dx12 games start showing up regularly next year its going to matter fuck all for AMD unless they have a new architecture for Vega that performs significantly better than Polaris.

>>55411619
AMD actually does do a lot better in Hitman DX12, which is a real game.

>>55409409
US average tax is 7% so +$21 to the 300 dollar 1060 6 GB.

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>dx12 doesn't counbt until games come out
>games come out
>Nvidia not doing so great
>"yeah well those games don't count, wait for others"
>more games come out, trend continues
>"yeah well who the fuck cares about DX12!?"

>>55407535
yeah it does, its just not soldered onto the pcb but dangling on the end of the blower connected with wires. its a not so good good solution to a problem that didnt exist, meh

>>55411634
It does better in CoD as well which is dx11. Hitman and Warhammer are sponsored games it doesn't mean anything.

>>55411650
look tard I'm an AMD shill but a sponsored game doesn't establish a trend.

>>55407103
>$250 vs $200, $300 vs $240
>15% more performance according to Nvidia themselves.

mehhhhhh If that pricing is true Nvidia has a real flop on their hands here. I don't know why you wouldn't buy either the RX480 or the 1070, the 1060s value for money is terrible at. I sort of am thinking /g/ might be wrong about the pricing because $300USD is just completely uncompetitive.

>>55408054
Remember when 4GB was overkill when the 970 came out then 4GB was a bottleneck when the Fury X came out

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>>55411723

>aots
>hitman
>TW:W
>QB
>GoW (after patches yo)

5 games looks like a trend to me. The only major DX12 to run better on Nvidia is tomb raider.

>>55411854

Fun times.

>>55411121
>dude judge GPUs by their reference coolers lmao
according to your logic the 290x stayed a loud hot piece of garbage forever

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>>55411889

it r a fact. I know this because of my learnings

>>55411854
Remember when 970 was marketed as a sweet spot card for 1080p while Fury X was marketed as a 4k monster?

>>55411951

The 970 wasn't marketed as a sweet spot 1080p card. It was aimed at "high resolution gaming".

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>>55411854

>>55411723
This so hard

>>55411972
>It was aimed at "high resolution gaming".
Which at the time was 1080p with the odd man out having 1440p.

>>55411995

The 970 was released 2014, not 2004.

>>55410915
I agree with the other anon that has no idea what the fuck you're talking about, my google-fu brings up nothing, but I'm running three 1080p now and I would be interested.

Also 3x1080p is an alright setup for productivity, even compared to something like 4k, the power of running 3 apps in fullscreen without having to squint is pretty nice.

It's a troll setup for gaming, go for 1440p or 4k. First, the setup makes no fucking sense outside of games in first person perspective, which there are a lot of. Second, it means regularly going to WSGF to find fixes for cutscenes being displayed by stretching the video to 9x its size. Third, HUD issues, right now I'm playing witcher and having to drag my mouse to the right monitor regularly. Fourth, some games simply will fucking completely break with eyefinity and you need to play them on a single monitor. Fifth, you need to put in an absurd amount of money to run eyefinity in new games. But I think what's really annoying is having to turn eyefinity/nvidia surround on/off when switching between gaming and productivity work because eyefinity/surround fucks up windows apps in weird ways and having to do that hundreds of times.

1440p or 4k. Trust me they are way less troll setups.

>>55411995
Yeah yeah, keep telling that to yourself

>>55406972
I am looking at the Zotac 1070s right now..
AMP or AMP Extreme? The 2nd is like 30€ more expensive for a tripple fan cooler and not a lot faster.. Anyone any experience with Zotac?

>>55411854

4gb on the 970 was the sweet spot because it was coming out at a time where few games could fully use the 4gb at 1080p which is why reviewers and people generally didn't notice the 3.5gb ram issue on the 970 for a few months, however a few notable games were released in the 9 month gap between the 970 and fury x that were starting to push the 4gb limits on 1080p with everything on max, and the fury x especially being an amd card (historically better at higher resolutions) was generally getting some okay framerates on 1440p games so 4gb was becoming a bottleneck

never mind that 4gb wasn't the issue on the 970 but accessing >3.5gb simultaneously

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>>55407229
>RAM doesn't make much of a difference in performance.

>>55406972
300 for 6 gb
250 for 3gb
no sli on 3gb cause will have a shared memory pool on dx12 and it will be far better than 6gb one..
literally pulling such a move
paid drones must have orgasms now
less compute
less hardware
yet claims faster than a 480
i feel ashamed that this card will fail

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I still heavily doubt a 1060 will perform equal to or better than a 980 like Nvidia claims.

>1060 has just over half the cuda cores the 980 has at 1280/2048
>1060 has 192-bit bus vs a 980's 256-bit bus.
> 1060's memory bandwidth at 192Gbps vs. 980's 224Gbps
>980 operating at .2 TFLOPs higher than 1060 in max compute performance.
>1060 has 80 TMUs vs. 980's 128.

From a hardware perspective, the 1060 shouldn't even be able to compete.

>>55408306
typical nvidia graph
being so much into damage control

>>55412386
from a hardware perspective, the 480 shouldn't be competing with the 390

>>55411456
well total warhammer got its dx12 update
and its literally the same story
are you gonna claim that is broken game too?
lel
>hurr durr paid 700 and 450 for FE EDITIONS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxnFv8cnjZA

look at the stutering lol

>>55406979
I want to see where the fuck exactly is the 6-pin connector. The lack of actual pins on the PCB might mean that this card has some stupid fuckup too.

Have to wait 2 weeks until it is available anyway, so it'll be up against AIB 480s which may overclock well enough to be a match - OR, end up way cheaper, since all Nvidia cards sell significantly over MSRP nowadays.

If this price garbage keeps up I might just settle for a 470...

>>55412434

All the 480 shows is how ineffecient hawaii is. I mean hawaii cards are great but its sheer brute force to get performance. Even fiji is more effecient than hawaii.

>>55412386
nvidia lying and hyping. Never. Next you will suggest they somehow cheat on benchmarks.

>>55412457
and it's that sheer brute force that makes hawaii still very relevant today, especially when we're transitioning to apis that will better harness that hardware.

>>55412457
fiji is just hawaii with hbm support....

>>55412498

No its not - fiji is a hybrid of hawaii and tonga. hawaii for example only has ACE units - fiji and tonga have HWS which do the same thing and more.

If you look at the 480 you'll see it has both.

>>55412457
>Even fiji is more effecient than hawaii.

Fiji is way the fuck less efficient. Almost twice the cores, but not much better performance.

>>55412498
*A chip that resembles a bigger tonga just to to mass test hbm. It wasnt even bad for the first card to use a new memory technology.

>>55410793
bullshit, they're all €300

>>55412549

> Almost twice the cores

Yeah, no. The fury x has 45% more shaders than a 290x.

It does scale like shit, but is considerably more power effecient. The fury x uses on average around 275w compoared to the 250w territory for the 290x.

Calling it now.

3gb 1060 - $200
6gb 1060 - $250

>>55412434
>>55412457
AMD GIMPING OLDER CARDS CONFIRMED

>>55412662

Stay in school.

>>55412643
>implying
6GB will be AT LEAST $300

>>55412643
Calling it now.
3gb 1060 - $299
6gb 1060 - $349

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>>55406972
dayum, i didn't think nvidia could git any better,

they are so based

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>>55407758
10/10

>>55412643
If they do that, AMD is done for good.

>>55412811
>nvidia
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jul/01/tesla-driver-killed-autopilot-self-driving-car-harry-potter

>>55410951
funny how roughly 6 years ago AMDcucks were poking fun at Nvidiafags for FERMI starting house fires...

>>55412807
You forgot
>Founders Edition $450

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>>55412860
this is ancient new nigga,

once tesla starts using more nvidia technology their cars will work perfectly

>>55412903
expect more crashes when they use more gimped hardware

>>55412903
With 10% chance of spontaneous hardware failure every time the software updates.

Can someone please tell me this won't be more powerful than a 970?

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>>55412914

>didn't get this years V8 goy? well, it would be a shame if your braakes should fail at a junction........

>>55408389
350€ incoming since vat and Nvidia Performance Enhancing Tax

>>55407246

It's a 1080p midrange card. It's "right now" by definition.

Christ why does the low end market have to be such a shit show? Is this the industry's way of forcing us to buy a $400 video card?

All I want is to upgrade my GTX 960 jesus christ.

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To both teams

>>55413008
>All I want is to upgrade my GTX 960 jesus christ.
You can wait for an RX 460 :^)

RX 480 must be pretty efficient. I see it only needs a single 6-pin PCI-E cable.

>>55413040
Fuck that

>>55413008

>960

Are you a masochist by chance?

>>55412386
haha nah but It Will Be The Same Price As One (C)

>>55407229
I have a 780ti right now and my card shits itself trying to max out mirrors edge catalyst because it didn't have enough ram for all the textures and effects that utilize it.

>>55413040
And get even low performance? Duck you amd faggot

>>55413040
>460
lol, that will perform the same as 950/960 idiot. the 480 barely competes with OC 970

>>55407957
because it runs the memory at a lower speed lol

>>55413116
Benchmarking the 480 in a DX11 game is like drag racing a Miata.

Only an absolute idiot would get this over an aftermarket 480

>>55413147
>amd is so shit it can't even do dx11 decently

>>55413165

>apart from compete against Nvidia cards a generation newer

>>55413165
>nvidia is so shit it can't even do dx12 decently
>nvidia is so shit it can't even do asynchronous compute decently

Who really cares about this shit? You people are fucked in the head. I have a EVGA GTX 950 FTW. It does what I need and I wouldn't even consider an upgrade until games are less shit. 90%+ of games are shit. Fuck off back to /v/

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Why would Nvidia fags be interested in the 1060? I thought they were all richfags who only purchased their 'God tier' 1080/1070's? Suddenly Nvidiots are considering purchasing the poorfag 1060 and are crying about price? Talk about double standards!

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>>55413191
asynchronous compute shaders is just one feature of many in dx12/vulkan.

execute indirect, bindless resources, multi threaded command buffer generation, and others are arguably more important, especially on pc where tuning async for specific architectures will be difficult and time consuming


I realize you amd cuckolds are obsessed with async compute, so here's a GPUView shot of a 1080 doing it

>>55408398
>1060 is 15% faster than the 480
Based on cherry picked benchmarks created by Nvidia VR.

>>55410923
The first time I saw that photo in the AMD forum I just laughed and moved on. No way you can take it seriously with that.

decent new card for under 200 euros when?

>>55411501
>390
>not a 1440p card
Nigger I run everything at 1440p on my 390, even Witcher 3 especially since I can limit the excess tessalation in the driver. Just because the 970 shits itself at anything over 1080p doesn't mean the AMD equivalent does as well.

>>55413361
2017

How many games require a card of this power?

>>55413375
i can't wait that long

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>>55413291

the most popular <$150 budget gpu is still the 750 ti.

nvidia still dominates the budget market.

>>55413408
Well, get a card that's more powerful than you need and keep it for 6 years.

>>55413408
>>55413425

or buy a used

>>55413425
i don't have the money for that
>>55413437
>buying used

>>55411859
Tomb Raider is gimped with Goyworks and extreme tessellation like TW3 is. Turn those off and AMD gets a huge performance boost. Also DX12 on that game is barely the full fat DX12 so is not optimized anyhow (But I do find it runs faster on my R9 290 so not SOOO bad I guess).

>>55413425
That doesn't answer my question. Again, what games need this now? Futureproofing is stupid.

>>55413452
>>55413480

If you can't afford to play vidya, then don't. Either that or keep using the card you have now.

Don't know what else to tell you.

>>55413529
>Either that or keep using the card you have now.
i'm kinda stuck in 800x600 with white lines all over my screen

>>55408645
Well until Nvidia decides to support Freesync it looks like I'll be sticking with AMD for the time being.

>>55413529
>Don't know what else to tell you.

You could tell me a game that needs this card.

>>55408579
The 1070 performs 10% better than a 980ti.

>>55408654
The 770 and 670 were $400, Maxwell was a temporary price cut to gain market share. The 1070 being around $400 is normal.

is the gtx 960 4gb worth 170 yurodollars?

>>55413459
gameworks is hlsl they can run it through the same tools they do with any game

if amd can't profile it and optimize for their hardware that's not nvidia's fault.

>>55408420
You have the numbers backwards for the AMD chips.
Rx 480 has a core config of 2304:144:32 at 1266Mhz
R9 290 has a core config of 2560:160:64 at 1100Mhz
So 10% less shaders/TMUs and HALF the ROPs at 15% higher clocks gets equivalent performance, plus the 480 has vastly more headroom above that, and it's cheaper to boot.

Also, 780Ti is 2 generations of chips old and runs at almost half the clock speeds of the 1060. You should be comparing it to the 970 (closest price comparison from last generation).

>>55413674

Why can't Nvidia optimise for DX12?

>>55413748
who said they can't?

>>55413770

Just about every DX12 game so far. Negative performance compared to DX11 means Nvidia needs to sort its shit out.

>>55413748
That's a hardware problem, it lacks the scheduler for async compute. Most of Nvidia's dx12 support is OS level.

>>55413748
Why can't AMD optimize for DX11?

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>>55413805

Not necessarily. A large portion of the work that used to be done by the driver now needs to be done by the application. So it could just be that it takes a lot more work to outperform nvidia's DX11 driver with DX12 than AMD's.

>>55413846
>optimize DX11
DX12 is the way to go now, or even better Vulcan.

>>55413846

because amd's driver engineers are inept.

>>55413846

They have been trying - why do you think tahiti and hawaii are now as fast as cards an entire generation newer?

>>55413291
kek

>>55413291
There's clearly multiple types of Nvidiots. The 960 sold pretty well so...

>>55413907
isn't that only in newer games that are inevitably more tailored to gcn anyway?

>>55413672
anyone?

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>>55414050

Maybe, maybe not. The question is if AMD's cards are gaining performance why can't Nvidia keep up? We all know their software team is massive and has done a LOT of things to make games run better on Nvidia architectures.

>>55412386
Take any benchmarks produced by Nvidia or AMD and subtract 20%. Easy, accurate benchmarks.

>>55414089
>release shitty drivers at launch
>fix them years later
>"lol why doesn't everyone else do the same?"

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>>55414114

Ah here we see the benefit of hindsight. Upon release the likes of the 7970 and 290x were highly competitive against their Nvidia counterparts. The 290x is the original titan killer for example.

The fact that years later these cards are now competing against newer ones from Nvidia is just the icing on the cake. If it was good upon release and got better spinning that into a negative is...questionable at best.

>>55414203
>The fact that years later these cards are now competing against newer ones from Nvidia

flagships have always competed with newer midrange products, not sure where you're getting the idea that this is some pioneering innovation from AMD.

>>55413672
>>55414054
oh and is kfa2 an ok brand?

>>55414230

The 290x competing against a 980 (which let us not forget was a flagship) is not "competing with newer midrange products".

See also: 7970ghz - it existed to dethrone the 680 and these days rivals the 780.

>>55411945
70c is fucking excellent for a gpu running full throttle you retarded moron

>>55414203
>spinning that into a negative is...questionable at best.
Because it could have been even better at launch.

>>55414345

>too underage to know such an old meme

>>55414354

Well as per the discussion - AMD's software team is shit so in a way no, it couldn't have been.

>>55414480
>too retarded to comprehend conversations on 4chan
I have a 290x with a reference cooler that i replaced myself. I've forgotten more memes than you'll ever know

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>>55414561

I, too, replaced the cooler on my 290x.

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>>55414603
ha, AMD users and their house fire products.

>>55407414
Kinda hard to get a card that is never in stock

>>55414739

>water vs air

>>55414851
> both fan speeds at 0 RPM
> both fan speeds at ~20%
> Not WC vs Air

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>>55414867

38c means water - no air cooler is that good. The 290x being at 50c is too high for water cooling, so it must (and is) air.

>>55408032
the 4gb version doesn't just have less ram. it has slower ram. nvidia's ram is faster than the 480's ram.

>>55411239
No APU has good price/performance.

>>55407758
the best part is that the guy who exposed this had to flee the country because the pajeets tried to kill him

Your 8gb RX 480 is a marketing meme you poor animals fell for, just like you did for eight core phone processors.

It can't utilize it, the 3gb 1060 will destroy the 480

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>>55414301

it doesn't compete with a 980, the 290x is slower than a stock 970.

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>>55415190

You sure?

>>55415070
You mean the 6gb 1060, right?

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>>55407758
>india's only toilet is clogged
>indian government declares dedicated shitting streets as a solution

It all makes sense now.

>>55415190
>makes a claim
>posts graphs from 2 years ago
kekkerino

>>55407544
heavily oced 980ti vs 1070/1080, for some reason that's not cool to even mention.

>>55413877
or, shock of all shocks, nvidia got fucking lucky that dx12 is largely a performance boost api that will run on older hardware, just not full throttle, like how dx11 was able to have games run in a dx10 compatibility mode.

sure you get to have your game run in that api, but your shit was not made for that api.

>>55408032
> 480,000,000,000 draw calls
>what is execute indirect

if you're using dx12 for spamming the cpu with draw calls you're doing it wrong

>>55415811
that's because dx12 was primarily made for the xbox one. why do you think it and the gcn exclusive mantle are so similar?

Will the GTX 1060 be better than the GTX 970/980?

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>>55407435
Depends on the game. In a best case scenario it will be close. In a worst case scenario the 1060 will get its ass kicked.

>>55416121
Definitely better than the 970 in all scenarios. Roughly equal to or slightly less than the 980 in most. Overclocked 1060 will beat stock 980.

Games which take advantage of the most cutting edge technology will run better on the newer card.

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>>55416121

>>55416187
>>55416197
right. thanks

>>55406972
damn, it even has a dvi connector. allah bless you based nvidia

>>55416197
>950===>950
OY VEY

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>>55410848
>GTX 1080 is coming out
>>wait for the 1070 benchmarks
>The GTX 1070 is coming out
>>wait for the RX 480 benchmarks
>The RX 480 is coming out
>>wait for the 1060 benchmarks
>Will it ever end?

Are you new to PC gaming? It's been like this since 3dfx.

>Tfw I got a voodoo Rush and the voodoo 2 got released 2 months later.

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>>55410285
Actually he's a qualified engineer

I'm waiting on the 1050 to put that shit in my steam machine for some 1080p gamin on my tv.

>>55413291
Nvidia actually has both the best budget cards and the best high end cards on the market.


That's why AMD is so fucked right now.

>>55412434
Yeah looking at hardware specs is pointless, really all that matters is benchmarks.

The 1060 will be 15% better than the 480, take that and you can extrapolate the performance vs. other cards.

>no 1070s available anywhere
>no 480s available anywhere

JUST

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>still no word on the 470 whatsoever

j U s T

1050 FUCKING WHEN REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>55416546
never

>>55416546
me too anon