/gcg/ graphics card general. Please direct all graphics card

>>55333602
>Please direct all graphics card related discussions to

>>>/v/

>>55333602
STOP SPAMMING YOUR FUCKING THREAD

>>55333612
Won't work. Better to have one thread than asking 15 threads to go to /v/

I guess I have no option but to fall for the AMD meme. I can't wait 6 months for the 1060.

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this needs a refresh. It's simply too epic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uvhyrz5oDPo [Embed]

he's gonna do it again. The destroyer of cards is back for moar blood.

>>55333632
Calm down.

>>55333651
>i'm positive they won't fi. We're gonna see if we'll MAKE it fit or...

dis gunna be gud.

>>55333651
he didn't bring his doodle board for this.
he doesn't even give a fuck if he breaks this card (or lose the screws, again).

If I get a 1080 will I need to upgrade my cpu as well? i5 4690k @ 3.5ghz here.

>>55333761
No, but if you are using 1600mhz ram, faster ram wouldn't hurt.

>>55333810
Literally makes no difference in 99% of the cases.

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>>55333602
da fuck did you do? not that pic.
is this bait?

Posted this in the dead thread but no one is there

For some reason my computer keeps crashing when I'm playing games on my new monitor

It's a 4k one

I have a 970, can anyone help with this?

>>55333602
Why are there so many anti-amd threads?

Are we being hit hard by paid nvidia shills?

I've never seen it this bad before

>>55333840
Didn't have issue with old monitor?
Did you try re-installing drivers?
Do you get any error messages?

>>55333854
Just sage and redirect them here. They don't deserve a bump

>>55333859
Just crashes once a map loads

Does it in a lot of games, menu screen is ok, but in game it crashes

>>55333651
Kind of disappointing to see the reference card made entirely of cheap and fake plastic shit.

>>55333651
no part 2 yet.
it wasn't epic but the way he manhandles everything is nerve racking.

>>55333810
I'm actually using 8 gigs @ 800 mhz, I guess I should upgrade that too?

>>55333931
Reinstall drivers.

Are you using hdmi or dvi?
It crashes when the game loads? So when the gpu is stressed?

Did you try benchmarks like heaven?

Nvidia is a SLUT

AMD is a cute

CUTE

>>55333648
The 480 really is a decent card at that price. It doesn't live up to the hype created by shills, but it's still pretty good.

I'm going to pick one up once we get aftermarket coolers for them

If not bait, yes. 800 mhz is abysmal

>>55334005
faggot

WOULD THE FAGGOT SHILLING THIS THREAD JUST FUCK OFF, WE DON'T WANT A FUCKING GENERAL FOR THIS SHIT

>>55334036
>hype created by shills
and another word loses its meaning

>>55334164
Which one? I don't see what's wrong with his statement.
Isn't the point of a shill to sell and hype a product?

>>55334186
shills are actually hired by companies to pass their "unbiased" opinion as a genuine one. What you're referring are fanboys. These people are doing it for free. 480 hype is fuelled by AMD, but if you see presentation numbers, they are more or less align with the card results, but hype around the card was immense, people said it will kill Fury and 980.

>>55334213
Good point.

I'm sure there was at least one nvidia shill overhyping the rx480 though, no way anyone that dedicated would be unpaid.

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>>55334233
>no way anyone that dedicated would be unpaid.
The payment was AMD tears by the liter. Seriously, fanboys shouldn't overhype, it's a poison to the soul.

>>55334258
>filename
Lost.

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>rx480
Good for 1440p ultra settings?

How bad is the reference cooler? Been waiting for a gcg to ask because of how shit all the gpu spam threads are.

>>55334321
From what reviewers are saying, 1440p ultra isn't too much to ask of current games, but you might not be running AA.

>>55334342
I have a 1440p Korean monitor, but don't game often, which is why I'm not aiming to spend much more on this upgrade.

Anything better at around A$400?

Gtx 970 is similar price, and looks like similar performance, but last gen...

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>>55334321
fuck reference, wait for custom coolers, don't do this to yourself

>>55334321
>>55334342
I'm upgrading from a GTX 660 and wonder whether I should buy a GTX970 or a RX480.

They seem to have similar performance on current games but I wonder if the 8GB will make a difference in the long run.

>>55333963

>beleiving speccy

DDR fool - speccy reports half speed because thats how ram works (and nobody uses QDR ram).

Then again, you might actually have 800mhz ram (it must be DDR2 or something to be that slow).

>>55334387
There is no real reason to buy a GTX 970 over an RX 480 at the moment.

>>55334363
>>55334387
I'm more of an nvidia fanboy than anything (I just got a 1080 in the mail) but I would not recommend people jump into a 970. The RX480 looks like a very solid choice at its price point and if it's between a broken card (970) and the RX480, there's really no contest here.

No one should be considering a 970 over an RX480. If you want to buy a green card, you should resign yourself to waiting for the 1060.

It's not fair to compare reference 480s to GTX 970s.

The 970 didn't have a reference cooler available until months after its launch, and even then only in limited quantity from limited retailers. All the 970s that we're comparing the 480 to are vendor cards, with custom cooling and power delivery.
A fair comparison can only be made when we have vendor 480s available.

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>there are still people considering the 970 when the 390 and 480 exists

LOL

>>55334387

Piggybacking off this. Anyone got estimates on how much more custom 480s will be over the $240 reference card?

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>AMD fanboys and shills btfo
>Nvidia fanboys and shills btfo
Feels good to be indifferent and critical

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>>55334387

I'd prefer the 480 because of muh DX12.

>>55334461
>>55334424
>>55334418
Thanks!

More VRAM is always handy especially for new games. You can get GTA V using 4gb easy. It's only going to get crazier from here.

People keep asking, so to put it as straightforward as possible: VRAM matters, guys.

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Does this mean we can analyse/encode with 2 passes in real time, resulting in better quality live streams?

Why is the RX480 drawing more power than PCIe spec now an issue? Why wasn't it brought up when the 960 did the EXACT same thing?

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-960,4038-8.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/EVGA/GTX_960_SSC_ACX_Cooler/27.html

>no
>_no_
>470

w t
f

>>55334488

I think that's what the slide says.

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>>55334478

Ignoring ultra low end cards where its DDR3 vs GDDR5 more vram only matters to a point - its still the overall compuitational power (shaders, comnpute units, rops etc etc) that are more important. For a card like the 480 8gb isn't really needed as you generally won't be pushing the sort of settings and resolutions (certainly not at a framerate above 30fps) where the extra vram truly shines.

Sure more ram never hurts, but given 8gb isn't free compared to 4gb yhou have to bring price into the equation. Its why 8gb on the 390/x is mostly a marketing gimmick with only very few exceptions.

>>55334514

AMD didn't give enough of pic related.

>>55334514
Because it's a lot worse on the RX 480

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>draws more than the 1070 while performing far worse

What... Have... AMD... Created? What is this """"""""""""""""""""video card""""""""""""""""""""?

>>55334583

>peak

That is retarded no matter what gpu we are talking about - average load is what matters for psus.

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>>55334545
No it's not. It's exactly the same.

>>55334538
Yeah, obviously it's not free, but it's not that much more expensive, either, and I have a feeling that even the 1080p people are going to need more than 4gb of VRAM going forward, or at least that only having 4gb will cripple them even if the other factors are not. Hell, this is already true of the 970 where only having 3.5gb is crippling at 1080p.

I guess in the end I'm assuming that the average guy on /g/ is the type of buyer that would rather wait a paycheck to get the 8GB card if they think they'll use it. I think he will.

>>55334514
That was ASUS' problem, not nvidia's.

And maybe because RX 480 release saw a bit more attention.

>>55334603
Now compare gaming loads rather than furmark.

No one gives a shit about furmark.

Guys, I just realized that with the power consumption of this architecture, the 1080 competitor is going to be like 340w.

What the fuck is the 1080ti competitor going to look like. Are we back to the days of 500w cards from AMD?

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>>55334619

Well you also have to consider GCN has dynamic memory caching - its partly why the fury x's 4gb rarely becomes an issue at 4k.

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>mfw 970GTX is already gimped and falls behind the 390

>RX 480 consumes 40W at idle with multi monitors

>meanwhile 1070/1080 consumes <10W

Top kek, AMD's engineers are so incompetent. Are they all Indian H1B's at this point? Sad.

>>55334639
truth for vega is not clear its just speculation and rumors

>>55334645
You're right, I had not considered that. Hmmm

>>55334684
Still tho.

If this is the level of efficiency we can expect out of AMD 14nm, then house fires fucking confirmed.

>>55334628
that was an 960 issue in general since most of the cards was drawing pretty much above of their max power draw...

>>55334698
AMD will always lag behind on efficiency but honestly I don't care, their efficiency still improves compared to their previous cards which is all that matters to me.

>>55334639
WATTMAN???

>>55334695

For once hardocp weren't retards and started collecting data of dynamic vram usage.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/04/17/hitman_2016_performance_video_card_review/9

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/05/10/tom_clancys_division_gameplay_performance_review/9

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/02/29/rise_tomb_raider_graphics_features_performance/13

>new OC tool doesn't work on my 7870

Why? Why do AMD suck so much dick, bros?

>>55334707
Did nvidia put out a reference card where it was a problem?
Did all 960s have the problem?

The answer to both is no. Nvidia is not responsible for the implementation of power delivery on the aftermarket cards.

>>55334639
Don't forget pascal is also increasing power consumption compared to Maxwell so it's more balanced.
Less from AMD, more from Nvidia.

It'll be like HD7950 vs gtx 670 again I hope.

>>55334698
>yfw AMD releases a stock card with 3 8-pins

>>55334639
Now you know what people meant when they said that AMD can only compete with price.

>>55334764
Good. It's cold where I live and the byproduct heat kept my room warm in the wintery months.

>>55334756
the answer is that nvidia never made a 960 refrence model available to anyone
it was only aib
also yes the majority had the same problem

>>55334764
lol factory always have a saying on the desings who ever think that aib go full retards without the parent company knowning about it is just delusional

>>55334698
you do realise that smaller chips get hottter and 14nm is really fucking tightly packed CU's

Nvidia is 16NM so it has more over all heat than 14nm albeit not much more.

the 14nm polaris has the worse heatsink for a GPU like no heat pipes no close kitted cooling fins and just budget plastic c'mon its just a cheap vidoe card it has nothing to do with the card its self in theroy 1070 in the same caller sould be near the same heat over all.

OEM's already have great coolers like all the other reviewers said OEM's make great coolers and then your get some fairer heat readings

but with amd's low cash rate i honestly didn't expect a good cooler on that RX480 for US 249 for the 8gb model.

Vega will have better cooler though rich fags get all the nice stuff.

>>55334752

Its due to the 480 having programmable power states - something older cards don't support. Powertune has come a long way from its first iteration.

>>55334830
So why can't they enable the new tool without that specific feature? The new tool has custom fan curve, something the shitty old AMD Overdrive doesn't have.

AMD again failing epically like the shitter retards they are.

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>>55334804
No they didn't you fucking liar.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-960,4038-8.html

Alright fellas I'm getting a g4400. Do I pair it with a gtx 960 or 380?

>>55334820

>you do realise that smaller chips get hottter and 14nm is really fucking tightly packed CU's

Also consider AMD's chips are denser than Nvidia's offerings - in some cases dramatically so (hawaii vs fat kepler for example).

>>55334844
>gaming loop
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-960,4038-8.html

>>55334847
Don't do this.

Get an i3 6100 instead. You'll regret it so much.

>>55334844
Kek, rekt.

is it Worth to put 1080 with g4400?

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>>55334882
Just like the strix.

Only Asus has this problem.

>>55334884
>>55334886

oh, sorry

>>55334847
I personally went with a 380 because they're cheaper than 960 where i live and all the benchmarks i found (tried to seek out as many as possible) seemed to favor it. No problems so far, got a sapphire nitro version core oc'd to 1150mhz, never goes above 60°c in gayman (1080p). Though i paired it with a 4690k so this may or may not be true with your case.

GTX970 at $100 or RX480 at $240?

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>>55334698
Not necessarily. Current thermal issues of 480 are mostly due to AMD being cheap fucks with their cooler design. People are already seeing good results with universal aftermarket ones.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU7BibxgQSM

>>55334892
lol the chart literally shows the cards passing quite a lot on the torture just like 480 but its only asus

love when people just twist

>>55334886
Anyway, is a 1080 + 4400 (just for a bit till I upgrade) better than 1070 + i5 6500?

>>55334896
I3 6100 and rx480 is a nice, balanced build.
Or i5 6500 and gtx 1070

>>55334922
(you)

>>55334913
seriously is there a fucking card after 32nm that uses GOOD refrence cooling system besides the fury line?
NOT A SINGLE ONE mainly because the aib's need to sell their cards
its not like amd or nvidia cant built a nice over the top desing like they did with radeon pro duo
its because the aib wont sell shit if they do it

>>55334905 it might bottleneck, bt I just saw a video of guy playing Doom 4 at stable 60fps, ultra settings. Just want a cheap rig to shit post and overgay.

>>55334908
if 970 is not some burned out, abused card from bitcoin mining rig, it's not even a question.

>>55334941
>970
>mining
This is the benefit of buying used nvidia rather than used amd.

>>55334938
Fury x suffered pump noises and Fiji in general suffered coil whine.

>>55334941
>nvidia cards
>good at mining
>saying a used one is better than a new one
>being this shill

>>55334927
I want bang for the bucks, and unbalanced means I'll upgrade.
>>55334924
Maybe some rig with AMD CPUs? I don't know much about AMD CPUs, so help me on that front. I know they're horrible for gaming, but maybe there are better-than-Pentium ones for similar price point

>>55334951

Only 200 series hawaii (by the time they were rebranded nobody was using them to mine anymore) and some 280x's were used for mining - none of AMD's other cards were any good at it.

>>55334963
coil wine was only when the 3d menu of a game for some reason was htitting 500 fps and above
in normal situations the card was fine

also i fucking hate that captcha that i need to pass it three time ffs

How do we know the 480 is drawing its extra power from the PCIe slot? The 6-pin power connector can pull more than 75W comfortably.
Hell, the 8-pin PCIE connector is rated for 150W and is just a 6-pin with two extra pins for ground.

But OP, if we direct all graphics card threads here we can't spam negative OP's making outlandish claims, as a shill board sliding technique!

>>55334991
>How do we know the 480 is drawing its extra power from the PCIe slot?
Because toms and some other sites measured the power going through the PCIe slot.

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>>55334972

> I know they're horrible for gaming

They really aren't.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1534128/vishera-vs-devils-canyon-a-casual-comparison-by-an-average-user

http://www.overclock.net/t/1535399/500-intel-vs-amd-same-budget-shootout-8350-4-5ghz-r290-vs-4670k-4-4-ghz-280x

What would be a good aftermarket cooler to stick onto my 480?

>>55335004
there is literally NO WAY to do that
they calculated the overall draw they saw and removed the physically impossible power that can be through the 6 pin connector

there is no way to measure directly from the pcie yet

>>55334968
He was pointing out that pretty much no-one uses nvidia for mining and thus should make it safer to buy i.e. a 970 used you mongoloid
>inb4 hurr nvidia shill kys
I have a r9 380

>>55335031
still its stupid
suggesting a card that nvidia already made it EOL vs a card that just got out and literally is worse
https://www.computerbase.de/2016-06/radeon-rx-480-test/5/#abschnitt_die_radeon_rx_480_taktet_wie_die_nano
is just dumb.. not to mention that in dx12 480 is destroying both 970 and 980..(well its on par with 980 at catalyst because of the mantle )

>>55335023
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186063
this was proven to work well.

>>55335025
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/graphics-card-power-supply-balance,review-33071-3.html

Id hold off any 9xx nvidea just because of what happend to the 780ti

>>55335007
Is there a better one than g4400 under 100$?

>>55335023
Zalman VF3000F

>>55334987
>coil wine was only when the 3d menu of a game for some reason was htitting 500 fps and above
>in normal situations the card was fine
Oh please my nano was screaming like a stabbed pig no matter what the situation was

>>55335077
This
Buying a 970 right now is a seriously bad idea. Nvidia are going to start gimping it through driver updates like they did with 700 and 600 series, essentially forcing you to buy a newer card sooner rather than later.

>>55335075
oh noes i can smell the 960 failure from down here too

oh wait 960 its an nvidia card and its fine when it does the same

>>55335088
I might try to find one cheap for SLI.

But, yeah, right now.

I'd take a 480 over a 970... but a custom PCB 480

>>55335055
I agree, but considering the original question was 970 for $100 vs rx480 for $230 i can see the allure of the low price.

>>55335086
prove it.. so far no one has seen coil wine on normal gaming usage only on menus

ashes of singularity? really?
i have a 280x and a 8350 and yet i'm not as amdrone as you are

>how about you post benches of real games

>>55335105
yes for 100 bucks and not considering any future plans on dx12 its a good deal no one can say otherwise
BUT if he wants something more in lets say 1 year then no its not

>>55335102
this

crossfire has some potential, if it only was not so hot on refference coolers.

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>>55335007
>those links
>a bunch of GPU dependent games and synthetic tests
>same but using a better GPU on the AMD CPU
It's not difficult to find games where FX 8350 performs significantly worse than Intel CPUs.

Made this thing over 3 years ago, so it's outdated by quite a bit.

Literally the only reason to buy a 480 is that you're too poor to afford a 1070.

Can I get a rate? http://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZH8sJV

Also, should I wait for the RX 460?

>>55335116
60.000 people playing aots
nvidia still saying its not a real game

pretty much anything on dx12 is not real for them only rotr which even the devs admitted that its a failure

>>55335138
>worse price/performance

u are dumb lol

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>>55335133

In the last 2 years or so though multi-threading has really become A Thing and AMD's chips have actually started gaining performance relative to their Intel counterpart.

If you live in 2009 sure, Intel or bust but these days an el cheapo fx chip can be a good cpu to buy - especially if you are willing to overclock.

>>55335144
>60.000 people playing aots
>Peak concurrent players yesterday: 187

Hey /g/, should I buy a 480 or a 390x? Both are the same price where I live.

>>55335165

The 480 annihilates everything for price vs performance.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/RX_480/26.html

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>>55335171
Maybe if you cherrypick your benchmarks.

>went to gamegpu.ru
>picked the latest game they benchmarked
>this

>>55335107
I already rma'd it

>>55335165
If that's what you care about, why not pick up a $0.50 GPU at the thrift store?

Can't beat that price/performance.

Price/performance matters when you're quite poor.

If you have a moderate income, you'd get a 1070.
A decent one, a 1080.

A poor one, a 480.

for programming, game programming, rendering and a bit of gaming on a budget should I look for high core count AMD or for intel?

>>55334603
Fuck you really a retard.

That card uses an 8-pin power connector so of course it is well within spec.

The 480 uses a 6-pin, which makes it go way out of power spec and potentially damages the motherboard through use.

>>55335133
I think it was specifically to show that with proper multicore support AMD CPU is as good as Intels one.

card literally destroys the competition on dx12
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_radeon_r9_rx_480_8gb_review,12.html
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_radeon_r9_rx_480_8gb_review,11.html
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_radeon_r9_rx_480_8gb_review,13.html
its only 11 fps behind muh 1070 on hitman yet nvidias shill just try to downplay it

>>55335235
>and potentially damages the motherboard through use.
[citation needed]
average load of rx480 is 150w only stress tests get it up to 200w

>>55335250
You missed this.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_radeon_r9_rx_480_8gb_review,10.html

>same fps as 970

>>55335264
oh no i simply dont include it because of this
http://tombraider.tumblr.com/post/140859222830/dev-blog-bringing-directx-12-to-rise-of-the-tomb

how can i argue with the devs of the game saying that it might never be corrected untill they remove certain pp filters good luck
its like including arkham knight as a benchmark

>>55335250

Whats more amusing is the 1070 struggles to outperform a 390x in DX12. If you bought a 290x in 2013/early 2014 you have gained 2-3 entire tiers of performance from launch to now (competitor to the 780ti -> 980 -> 1070).

Christ an overclocked 290x might even get within reach of a fury x in DX12.

>>55335255
Right from the official AMD reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/4qfwd4/rx480_fails_pcie_specification/

I don't know how AMD fucked up so bad, but the 480 is literally dangerous

>>55335278
I'm confused, why would you say this in /gsg/ makes no sense.

>>55335297
Strix 960 is worse.

Your pc will be fine

>>55335181

Someone please help, 970 is also the same price as those 2 options.

>>55335306
There is no card worse than the 480 going out of the pcie specification, it's never even happened before.

I don't even know how it passed Q&A

>>55335292
I don't see the devs saying anything like that in that link.

>>55335320
Wait a month, get 1070.

>>55335335
Not even the 295x2?

>>55335297
citation needed for the whole "it damages your motherboard" part.

also AMD said the following
>The RX 480 meets the bar for PCIe compliance testing with PCI-SIG. //edit: and interop with PCI Express. This is not just our internal testing. I think that should be made very clear. Obviously there are a few GPUs exhibiting anomalous behavior, and we've been in touch with these reviewers for a few days to better understand their test configurations to see how this could be possible.

>>55334514
None of those cards go out of spec. Every single one that uses over 150W actually has an 8 pin or 2 6 pin connectors.

The problem with the 480 is it uses only a single 6 pin power connector which should mean it can only go up to 150W.

Yet it reaches 160W+, which means the motherboard is forced to supply more power than specifications which can lead to all sorts of issues.

This has NEVER happened in a video card before because you literally cannot sell a card that does this legally. What's going to have to happen with the 480 is AMD will be forced to either release a fix of some kind of recall the cards.

>>55335335
Strix 960 pulls up to 250w in spikes from the mainboard...

>>55335382
...

>>55335366

Look through the post:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/4qfwd4/rx480_fails_pcie_specification/

You will see that AMD is trying to cover their ass by saying it's just review copies, yet multiple people buying retail copies are having the exact same issue.

>>55335382
>you literally cannot sell a card that does this legally

are you a retard, all you needs to do is remove "PCI-Express" sticker on your box, that is fucking it.
This is not a legal matter and AMD addressed the issue and said that it's PCI-Express certified by the fucking standard creators.

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>>55335388
No, no it does not.

See the picture, it stays well within the spec at 147W

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>>55335351

The 295x2 barely touches the actual pcie.

>>55335393
it didn't say "it's only review copies" it clearly said anomalies happen and we are looking why they are happening. how fucking moronic can you be not to be able to READ A FROCKING SENTENCE!

>>55335399
It is very much a legal matter and AMD could in fact be sued for advertising it as PCIE, while going outside of the official PCIE specs

That's not even considering the damages it could do to people's motherboards.

>>55335403

See >>55334892

>>55335403
It has several spikes above 75W on PCIe but averages numbers below 75W. TPU's time resolution isn't small enough to catch those spikes. See the toms review.

>>55335388
The 960 pulls 250w in spikes in TOTAL. Not from the fucking mainboard. 250w from mainboard would literally kill it, you retard.

The problem is that the fucking AYYMD RX 480 only has a 6pin connector, so 75 watt from there and the rest from the mainboard. In theory that would be fine, but the card uses more than 150 watt, so it takes the rest from the fucking MAINBOARD you monkey boy. Above 75 watt from mainboard = BAD

>>55335418
no it's not a legal matter, you can use PCIe port without having a PCIe certification and you can draw all you want from it.

>>55335422
Power consumption is always recorded over time. The actual wattage you are seeing is watts per second.

>>55335403
This is an actual measurement of watts per second, and as you can see it stays well below 150W

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>>55335426
No, it's mainboard only

>>55335436
>The actual wattage you are seeing is watts per second.
Please go back to Physics 101.

>>55335432
Except the 480 is PCIE certified, yet it is not staying within the spec, which means they are breaking the certification making it a legal matter

>>55335426
Read the fucking review you retard

>>55335450
it was certified, exactly, SIG approved, tests passed.

means it's within a spec

I know it's hard for fanboys to believe, but AMD fucked up REALLY bad with the power on the 480

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/4qfwd4/rx480_fails_pcie_specification/

No card has ever done this before, so I don't even know what they're going to have to do.

A recall or some kind of bios fix, but the fix may actually lower the performance of the card if it's relying on 160W+

>>55335382
that could be from a specfic rx480 and its only from toms amd did say their are some defective ones out at reviewers by mistake.

I saw 2 reviews out of 145 the rest are all in range that mismatch of what you said its likely a bad binned model of RX 480.

they will get replacements at anyrate for defective product

that is why i dislike large bulk proessing and manufacturing.

silicon is not perfect ya know.

>>55335469
Clearly something went wrong with the test or AMD cheated, because the actual retail boards are not within spec

It's going to be very interesting seeing the first damaged mainboards from this and how AMD will respond

>>55335436
B... but Watts are Joules per second.

>>55335480

Look at the bottom of the post here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/4qfwd4/rx480_fails_pcie_specification/

Not mentioning the reviewers who found the problem, there are several normal guys who bought a 480 at retail, tested it, and had the exact same power issue.

>>55335436
What

>>55335422
means is that the power spikes and drops and isn't actually constant... but you need sensitive/ expensive equipment to really catch it.

>>55335481
you are not going to damage your motherboard providing 2 more amps than usual.

>>55335510
It's 17W beyond specs, very significant. It could easily damage the traces on the motherboard over time, causing all kinds of instability and even fire.

>>55334213
Nvidia paid shills to overhype the card, which makes it seem worse than it was 'thought to be'

>>55335503
The important thing when measuring the spikes is sampling. If you sample once per second, then what you are seeing is the average power every second. If you sample once per millisecond, you'll see the average power every millisecond, etc.

For example, let's assume that there is a 200W spike that lasts for 1 millisecond, and after that the power draw drops to 20W for 999 millisecond. If you sample at a lower rate than once per 1 ms, you will not be able to see that spike. If you sample at a rate of 1s^-1, you'll simply see a power draw of (200W+999*20W)/1000 = 20.18 W. If you sample at 1 ms^-1, you'll see the 200W spike, and 999 milliseconds of 20W.

>>55335569
>If you sample at a lower rate than once per 1 ms, you will not be able to see that spike
Small correction: you won't be able to see the spike at its actual height.

>>55334908
>GTX 970 at $100

My god, where?

>>55335545
80w average by some reports, that is pretty much 2 more amps, more or less.

Hey guys, I need some advice.
My 7870 died some days ago, as I'm German I stripped it naked and put it in the oven for 30 mins, now it works again. But I have to look for a replacement, since I doubt it will last too long.

The thing is, I'm running a dual monitor setup, one is 1440p, one a vertical 1080p, both connected via DP. Usually I don't game too much, but I like to have some reserve in case there are some demanding games coming out that I actually want to play (like skywind or something). Anyway, electricity is expensive over here and since my PC usually runs for about 8-10h a day or even more, I'm facing up to 30€ yearly cost (compared to a 1070 or even a Fury) just because of the bad efficiency of the RX 480 when using multi-monitoring, as I'm planning to use the card for at least 4 years that's quite a lot.
I read somewhere that the multi monitoring isn't a problem when both displays use displayport (forgot the reason), is this true?
Really don't know what to do, waiting for the 470 probably won't fix my multi-monitor problem, I don't want to go green due to them being a shitty company overall. So what are my options, do I really have to get a 1060? I even considered a 970 at a point. On the other hand I could also get a fury, which will be pretty cheap soon I guess, which has really nice idle consumption, which is way more important to me than load consumption.

So if anyone read my entire post, can somebody please help me? I'm at a loss and really don't know what to do.

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>>55335606
17W out of spec, can't even believe they did this

>>55335608
Yes

So Im getting the RX480 but i need to know what kind of adapter to get so i can use my CRT and have it run at 2048x1536@75hz all the adapters on newegg seem to be maxed out at 1920x1200 and 60hz so what do i do will i be able to use the CRT?

>>55335632
average is still 150w tho.

>>55335632
A whole 17w! How will they recover from this!!!
Tip
>look up 295x2 power consumption

>>55335608
>I read somewhere that the multi monitoring isn't a problem when both displays use displayport (forgot the reason), is this true?
Never heard of this. The only thing I've heard someone claim is that it isn't a problem if your resolutions and refresh rates match (yours don't though), but it's still a problem with me even though I'm only using 2 60 Hz 1080p monitors. Could be because I'm still using a 5850, or maybe it's something weird like your resolutions and refresh rates must match while connecting both via DP.

But if you're already running both monitors via DP, is that not something you could already test with your 7870? It has the same problem as RX 480 after all. If your memory downclocks to same numbers with both monitors as it does with a single monitor, then it shouldn't have any problems with idle power consumption.

>>55335675
Tip: look up PCIE power

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>>55335673
No it's not, even typical gaming is 163W.

You don't even need to use furmark to get this thing to go out of spec.

You can just run around in an average game and it will already start damaging your motherboard.

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So...what went right with it?

>>55335723
It has a low price tag.

>>55335723
It looks pretty

>>55335698
I'm pretty sure that 500w is not standard supported.

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>>55335720
but it is, avg is 150 while gaming and doing anything else if you don't OC.

>Orage is OC
>Blue is standard

>>55334488

If you record the card will scale down the video internally and analyze where the most detailed (most change in color frequency) part of the picture is and give these parts more from the bandwidth budget. Read: it avoids mushy/noisey imagery on fast moving detailed videos

>>55335686
Thanks anon, good call. Just did it and the memory is at ~150mhz with one monitor and 1200 with two. So I'm pretty much fucked. Are my only two options really a Fury or a 1060? Or is there hope that this issue can be resolved with a new driver?

>>55334488
4 consecutive dubs... damn...

>>55335738
You might want to consider that cards get power from the power supply too, but that might be too difficult for you to understand.

>>55335756
Even the graph is over 150W, thanks for showing just how far the 480 goes out of spec

>>55335775
Yea, and 2x8pins is not PCIe Standard.

>>55335785
graph clearly shows 150w average,

Avg = (dw/dt)
you fucking moron.

ITT anon fails to understand power supply specifications.

Pro tip: you can pull more than 75w over a 6 pin.

>>55335723

Everything except the cheap cooling block

Which custom model of rx480 should i wait for? Sapphire?

>>55335815
cooling block was shown a week before reviews kicked in, how did you not see it?

>>55335804
It's clearly above 150W, might want to get your eyes checked

Just like all the rest that show the 480 going out of spec, it's a fundamental problem with the card

>TFW my $199 RX 480 4GB is in the mail right now

Jelly? You're jelly.

>>55335769
>Are my only two options really a Fury or a 1060?
Probably yes.

You can also try forcing the memory clock down. There's always a chance that it works out, though if it doesn't do it by itself, it's fairly likely that it'll cause flickering if you force it.

Whether it can be fixed with a driver update I don't know for sure. Nvidia fixed it with the release of Kepler. While the review samples of 680 still consumed a lot more power with multiple monitors, the aftermarket models reviewed a month after with newer drivers had the problem fixed. Perhaps the problem was fixed with drivers, perhaps they fixed the problem with Kepler but just forgot to change the behavior with the drivers at release. It's been over 4 years since nvidia fixed it, and AMD doesn't seem to be any closer to fixing it (except accidentally with HBM), so I'm not really expecting them to do anything about it.

>>55335837
you clearly don't understand average.

if you have average of 20, you MUST have more than 20 and equal amount of less than 20 for it to be average 20.

any GPU that has 150w average, pull more than 150w exactly the same amount as it pulls less.

Just found this quote from Tom's:

>We skipped long-term overclocking and overvolting tests, since the Radeon RX 480’s power consumption through the PCIe slot jumped to an average of 100W, peaking at 200W. We just didn’t want to do that to our test platform

They actually had to stop testing the card because they were so worried it was going to damage their motherboard. Jesus christ.

>>55335804
>Avg = (dw/dt)
>tries to look smart
>ends up failing
Check the units of that, and then come back.

>>55335868
>"we don't have evidence to back up our claims"
yea, sound about right.

I'm just about to pull the trigger and order this system. Since there doesn't seem to be a thread for this i'll ask for thoughts here.

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 8M Skylake Quad-Core 4.0 GHz LGA 1151 91W BX80662I76700K Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 530

HDD: SAMSUNG 850 EVO 2.5" 1TB SATA III Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-75E1T0BW

GPU: ASUS GeForce GTX 1080 Founders Edition

MOBO: ASUS ROG MAXIMUS VIII EXTREME LGA 1151 Intel Z170 Intel USB 3.1 USB 3.0 U.2 Extended ATX Intel Gaming Motherboard

Ram: G.SKILL TridentZ Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3733 (PC4 29800) Intel Z170 Platform

PSU: Cooler Master V1000 - Fully Modular 1000W 80 PLUS Gold PSU with Silencio FP Silent 135mm fan (6th Generation Skylake Compatible)

Plus a phanteks case. Any thoughts or suggestions?

>>55335836

I did. I didn't expect more so I was not "let down" like all the 3.5gb users are claiming. It still wasn't a good choice the nano cooling block would've been muh better but I guess you have to make cuts.

>>55335873
dw is given
dt is not given so it won't be used

did you fail physics?

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>>55335898
I have pretty the exact same build. I went for an EVGA 1080 FE because their RMA service is much better than ASUS. Also, you don't need a 1000W PSU unless you're planning to SLI, you could drop to 650W and still be fine.

As for case Fractal Define S.

>>55335916
We got an award for dumbest poster in history of /g/ right here

>>55335848
Well, I'll wait for tests with some aftermarket models then, maybe they'll have fixed their shit till then. Thanks a lot kind anon.

>>55335932
you did, didn't you.

FUCK OFF WITH THIS STUPID GENERAL

>>55335926
I'm thinking of SLI down the track, hence the larger PSU. What do you think of the your build? Is there anything you would change?

>>55335181
Buy the 480. I have a 390 and would gladly switch it for the 480 because muh power consumption.

>>55335898
Also, you need a CPU cooler because the 6700K doesn't come with one. I'm running a Noctua ND-15 and getting those temps above in the speccy screenshot, and the computer is near silent.

>>55335942
you don't have to look at it my friend :^)

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>>55335957

That is because you prioritise power draw. If someone wants raw performance the 390 is the better option.

>>55335961

>D-15

No shit - that is one of the few coolers that can handle AMD's 220w inferno known as the 9590. Pic related is the only competition the D15 has.

>>55335961
I'm ordering the exact same cooler anon, glad to hear it does the job.

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>>55335723
Everything is really going to depend on how it compares to the GTX 1060, which is coming out in July.

The R9 380 was able to be competitive against the GTX 960 because it was slightly faster for the same price (albeit with high power consumption and no ShadowPlay equivalent).

If the GTX 1060 is faster and has better power consumption while being only slightly more expensive, I think the RX 480 will be in a very bad spot.

>>55335955
The only thing I'd personally change is to go for an EVGA SuperNova G2 PSU because I've had a good track record with them and they provide really solid performance.

Other than that, you seem golden.

>>55336004
was 1060 announced even?

>>55335942
We need to link all threads to cgc until they take a hint and stop making threads imo.

>>55335981
1-2 fps more is not much. 275W tdp is

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AMD PAJEETS ON SUICIDE WATCH
THANK YOU BASED NVIDIA

Guys, this general is a waste of time. /v/ is still going to make threads outside of this general and the mods aren't going to delete them.

When are the non stock coolers RX480 supposed to be out?
Hopefully they won't be 300+€.

>>55336060
kek, saved

>>55336066
it's THE DAY of rx480 reviews, of course there are going to be 10 million threads, same was happing with 1080 reviews.

>>55335181
The 390x is way faster than the 480, I would get the 390x

>>55336044
Because you're posting from a position of moral authority?

You realize you're violating at least two global rules by going through all the 480 threads and spamming your shit.

>>55336016
Cool, thanks for the advice. I've read a few reviews of the coolermaster PSU and some of them have failed after a few months operation. I'll look into the evga one.

>>55335181
at this point I would get nighters, 380/390x are just not worth the price if you have half decent GPU at the moment.

When's the 470 and 460 coming? Also would it still make sense to purchase a 380 anytime soon?

im sure nvidia might as well being sued for agreeing on having 960 passing the pcie standars as well..

oh wait its nvidia its fine they can do that

>>55336004
380 has VCE, so it can use AMD's Shadowplay equivalent
It has a newer (thus better) VCE than the rest of the 3xx series
It doesn't have a h265 SIP decoder though, the 960 does have it

>>55335769
the fury is faster so go for that

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comparing a 970 with 480 is soo yesterday..

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>>55336314
What the fuck is even the point of trying to use sex appeal to advertise graphics cards, do they seriously believe consumers are going to think to themselves "wowee there's a nice lookin lady standing next to that pile of RX 480s, maybe if I buy one she'll want to have sex with me? :DDD"

Can someone explain this to me please, I don't understand what they're trying to do here.

>>55336360

>booth babes

>>55336360
booth babies

>>55336360

>Not recognising a blatant banter fueled parody photoshop

>>55336360
>Can someone explain this to me please, I don't understand what they're trying to do here.

Appeal to their target market? Late teen to 20 something neet virgins who are driven by their dicks as opposed to logic? Were you born yesterday you naive fuck?

>>55336288
But it is also quite more expensive. If it doesn't drop in price, it's too expensive for a card that will idle a lot. I really have to wage my options. If only the RX480 had decent idle consumption...

>>55333612
>I posted it again, mum!

>>55336387
I would've thought most people would put a bit more thought into buying something as expensive and time-consuming as a computer component, unless maybe it's daddy's money in which case they'll probably just buy whatever has the highest number and the biggest words in the title.

>>55336467

>but thats 30 worse!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBFqe_3M2Z8

Joking aside you'd be astonished at how ignorant a lot of people are of PC parts despite many claims of knowing better. Its why Nvidia's marketing has a razor focus upon appealing to a certain demographic - enough buzzwords and hype to turn them into a fanboy without said demographic ever actually looking at alternatives.

>>55336467
why you see pit babes?
why you see booth babes on cars?
even on freaking airplanes..
its nice to have a pair of boobs

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Do you think it will be worth upgrading from 270x to rx480 if the most gpu-demanding thing I do is play vidya on Medium+ ?

>>55336592
you obviously gonna play dx11 games on high from now on
and might as well play most of the dx12 on high ultra as well..
its literally 70% faster than 270x

>>55336613
thanks

I'm gonna be making the jump from an 560ti to a 480, but these power draw issues have me concerned seeing as my board is as old as the 560. Aftermarket models will most likely fix the power issue but what's the likelyhood of them adding a DVI port?

>>55336760
99%

>>55336768
Excellent, I'll hold out and wait. Hopefully they keep a low-ish price point, that $200 is mighty tasty and I'm a moderate poorfag

>>55336760
you are fine as long as you dont be an idiot to increase the voltage while on the stock clocks

for some reason this is what tom did and some others on reddit to
now as to why he did that go ask him

Should i buy 480?
I have 960 strix 4 gb now.
I have 60 fps at 1080 except Skyrim with ENB.

>>55336815
If you're fine with your performance right now, don't buy.

If you want better performance, do buy.

It's not fucking rocket science

>>55336790
Never bothered with tweaking anything to other than stock since a friend tried OCing my CPU and caused all my USB ports to stop responding??? I just pop shit in and go, troubleshooting as needed.

I can currently purchase two xfx reference 480 8gb for cheaper than a non-reference 1070 in my country

Ive never owned a crossfire setup. Are there any major obstacles when using it?

Or will it just let me avoid a load of problems if I simply get a 1070?

I intend to play at 1080p 144hz

>>55336848
plug and go
most games have a negative scale on cf/sli setup
but given the nature of dx12 the future is actually bright for it

>>55336848
get 1070 instead

>>55336837
>20 fps with ENBs
K, thanks, i'll think about it.

>>55336848
>>55336828
>Are there any major obstacles when using it?
lots of games don't scale up properly

>Or will it just let me avoid a load of problems if I simply get a 1070?
well, yes, maybe not "loads"

>>55336882
fuck off back to /v/ n/v/idia shill
>>>/v/

>>55334442

The Lightning and Toxic (more or less confirmed via Ed's stream on Twitch recently) will probably be $300. They won't go over that mark.

>>55336960
pushing for a ban, aren't you?

So, only 2-3 sites are reporting the power problem.

Is every other review site shills for AMD, or are the ones reporting the "problem" in nvidia's pocket?

>>55337058
pushing the PCI-E dangerously over the load is a fire hazard. I can't believe AMD is allowed to sell this card without proper electrical engineering tests.
It's literally dangerous enough that testing teams don't want to risk running stress tests on it because they're literally drawing 260% over the rated 75 watts.

>>55337058
All pajeets working for AMD, Nvidia is above needing shills, and their quality products simply speak for themselves.

Toms is one of the few sites gutsy enough to publish REAL reviews.

>>55337058
well you know techpowerup didnt even try

they had reviewed 960 at 166watts
yesterday the same card was pushing 129 watts
i mean they just dont even care anymore

Why does AMD do this?

Are they just cashing out?
Nvidia needs a stronger competitor.

AMD being in 2 markets probably doesn't help.

>>55337076
lol the card is literally well within pcie standars tom was a shilling idiot that was increasing voltage while having stock clocks
the same thing people saw on reddit too..
if this was true then nvidia should have been on the wall for the 960

>>55337090
They're just making a budget gpu for next gen consoles

>>55337095
So basically if you try/attempt overclocking the 480 bad things will happen to your system and your house will burn down.

Thanks AMD.

>>55336079

Stock card here is 340.

>>55336004
Power consumptiom seems like a "meme" reason.
Majority of the time it's going to be idle in which case power draw is a non-issue.

>>55337111
i dont see how increasing the voltage is overclocking...instead of being a paid shill you should educate your self first

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day after rx480 premiere (and failure)
and we already have leaks about gtx 1060 being split in to two gpu gtx 1060 and 1060 ti
with 1060 costing 250$ and having only 3gb ram while 1060 ti 300$ and 6gb ram

bravo amd
bravo nvidia

600$ mid range gpus soon

>>55337141
so much failure overclockers site said they sold only on uk and germany and france 4000 cards yesterday
keep going lol
only paid shills buys nvidia anyways

>>55337158
>4000 cards
That's really weak.

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Anon just changed the game @ 1487mhz

>>55337135
Do you even know how overclocking works or are you just plain retarded?

>>55337177
yes nvidia sold 7500 in a week and it has shortages all over the world now

thats what you get when you sell A0 chips without having stock

>>55337180
Water or off the shelf universal air cooler?

>>55337181
no please tell me what is the purpose of increasing the voltage ON STOCK CLOCKS as tom did

please enlight us because surely there must be a good reason to do such a specific move

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>>55337158
its failure in terms of performance thermals oc power draw in everything
if my post made you think i may be nvidia shill you should take off your red amd branded glasses and read it again

i literally complain about how rx480 underpreforming is allowing nvidia to over price their gpu and split 1060 in to two gpus i bet that if 480 was better 1060 would be 1050 and 1060ti would be 1060 with their respective prices but when you have no competition why not to slap extra 50$ to the price and just change names.

http://videocardz.com/nvidia/geforce-1000/geforce-gtx-1080
Jesus Christ, so many announced, price drops when?

>>55337218
R9 nano block fits

Lol I bought an EVGA GTX 950 RIGHT before the 1070/1080 and Rx480 were announced. Kill me. To be fair, it runs everything I need it to run, and will probably continue using it until I decide to purchase a VR headset.

>>55337287
and its water anon said it dwells around 56C and he hit power limit from 6pin

>>55337220
>increasing voltage
They didn't increase voltage. the card was stock and running a stress test
Do you even read the articles or do you just parrot what shills have been saying?

see
>>55337233
for an example of how it's drawing 90w on AVERAGE from the 75w rated PCI-E these aren't spikes, they're literally just drawing 90w on a 75w rated port.
And before you bring up the 960 strix note that peaks aren't the same as averages. It's literally constantly drawing more power than it should. This is the complaint not that it's spiking.

>>55337259
explain your point on everything
how its a failure on everything ....

the card literally came to replace 380/x its 40% faster slightly faster than 970
it destroys it on dx12 along with 980
it consumes the same amount as a 960
it has 80c on gaming loop 90 on torture
and it costs 200 fucking bucks
people already have gone past 150 mhz on a gcn card
and yet somehow paid shills still find something to shil about lol

>>55335608
Is there some Nvidia partner that sells a card similar to the HIS IceQ cooler? I was very happy with the cooler of my 7870, so I wanted to get one again, but I'm not sure whether there is an equivalent for nVidia cards? Am I limited to reference design?

>>55337218

>>55333091

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>>55337005

>toxic making a comeback

Oh please let this be true - a toxic 480 (along with a lightning from msi) would be all kinds of powerful.

The 290x lightning was a beast but sapphire didn't make a 290x toxic (though their vapor-x 290x was serious competition for the lightning).

http://www.dsogaming.com/news/amd-radeon-rx-480-first-benchmarks-revealed/
This is retarded...

>>55337300
people at reddit could replicate his results only when they inceased the voltage while being on stock clocks they saw spikes up to 200 watt
once they overclocked both memory and chip the card was behaving nominal again according to the oc you made

and yes the frenc site showed the card was constantly consuming 192 watts

good luck with that
also no according to the scale that is 80-85 not 90watts.. but oh well..
its funny that literally no one else expect tpu and tom reported this and that french site that literally said the card was pulling 130 watts from the pcie....

>>55337356
AMD already said that it could be an issue with the card they sent out. I'm going to guess that they sent out highly perfect silicone out to reviewers hoping to show that it overclocks well. All cards are not created equal.

>>55337355
using a video that is already being nuked for being fake as hell as a fact

only paid shills

Just bring the third party 480s with more than 1 6 pin connector.

>>55337366
Dud, it's on par with last gen's medium card.

>>55337356
>only TPU, Toms and that French site
So basically what you're saying is that there is a problem that's replicated across 3 different review sites but you're going WORKS FINE ON MY MACHINE.

Again every card isn't the same, which goes to show that AMD have some quality control issues going on at the very least.

>>55337303
>it has 80c on gaming loop 90 on torture
90C under load was never ok and it sure isnt in current year 80 isnt either
>it consumes the same amount as a 960
no it doesnt and it was proven
>and it costs 200 fucking bucks
no it doesnt its 229 and in reality it cost more in shops ,aftermarket solutionswill be even more expensive
>people already have gone past 150 mhz on a gcn card
on what liquid nitrogen?
>and yet somehow paid shills still find something to shil about lol
yet it some how dont even match pci specifications because amd prefered to pretend their gpu takes less energy than it does

>>55337381
You want to melt it or something?

>>55337404
SO it doesn't overload the pci and 6 pin slot anymore.

>>55337404
2 6 pins would be better than drawing 200W from PCI-E senpai

>>55337404
Stock cooler is disgraceful, vrm isnt even being cooled. Watch the teardown

>>55337415
8pin should be enough but amd had to pretend tpd is lower than it really is and we have the result

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>>55337432
Well it would be embarrassing if it came with an 8pin or 2 6 pins after this shit:

>>55337401
yes 90c pleas do show us a chart that it had on gaming 90c..
yes it does since 164 watts is more less the same as 166 watts moron
msrp is 200 for 4gb 229 for 8gb whatever the retail cost is no one cares about
yes obvisously https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU7BibxgQSM and not even a proper cooling solution..
and somehow 960 did the same thing and somehow paid shills cries only when amd does it..

while you are at it
can you please confirm if pascal has regression while still using async yes or no?
why people will less powerfull cpus from i7s are showing chocked perf because of the offloading into the cpu?
can you please confirm why still it doesnt have a hardware sc?
can you please confirm why it says dx12.1 while they dont support full dx12 in order to have compliance on dx12.1?
can you confirm that people cant boot while they have dual link dvi adapters for the g sync monitors?
can you confirm that horrible yield issues that makes the card being out of stock for over a week now in some stores?

>>55337432
Most likely the 6-pin was enough, until they tested actual performance and decided they had to overclock the fuck out of it to even compete with a 970.

That also explains why there's fuck all overclocking headroom on the design.

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>>55337450
>86W
>blatant lie
It's ok when amd does it.

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>>55337404
paid shills talking about melting down houses

>>55337532
paid shill forgot to say that it was the polaris 11 showcase
aka 470
but its ok only nvidia can do it

>>55337566
says Polaris Architecture, continue your mental gymnastics of pretending it's not what they're trying say it is.

>>55337030
>>55337090
>>55337111
>>55337141
>>>/v/
fuck off nvidiot shills

>>55337601
you literally took it off from the computex show which they show the p11
stop being a paid shill
or at least do your job better green slime

>Nvidia monopoly
>raises prices by 50%

>AMD+Nvidia
>buy AMD card, it's defective
>Now have to buy Nvidia card
>Price is 100% higher than if you went with Nvidia in the first place

WOW, why is AMD still alowed to exist.

>>55337610
>>55337612
>this amount of damage control being employed

A monopoly is preferable over AMD scamming users.

>>55337644
as always calling out paid shills
they always go "damage control"

i bet you already have a 1070
oh wait they dont give them to incompetent shills that cant shill enough

>>55337644
>>55337679
>>55337639
>>>/v/
nvidiot shill shitposting isn't welcome here

>>55337639

What is your OCN name, is it iLeakStuff?

>>55337680
>1070
I own a 970 and a 280x I'm not a moronic fanboy and buy the best card for the job.

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Daily reminder that AMD shills are completely and utterly retarded pretending that things that happened didn't actually happen

>point out AMD lying
>get called a Nvidiot

>>55337694
HAHAHHAHAHAHA
literally the same shilling going on from the same guy

>480 didnt delivered to pass 970
>meanwhile he posts reviews that 480 is passing it
>>55337700
>970
>best buy
>i found you 3.5/4 funny

>>55337718
the only shill here is you faggot

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>>55337700
>buy the best card for the job
>970

>>55337742
>>55337739
>>55337738
>970 is 2 years old and beats out AMD's latest offering
>lol muh 3.5 gb memecard beats out an 8GB housefire

Again, I'm not upgrading until prices drop across the board, I got a 280x for $150 just before the 300 series dropped and will continue not to be retarded sheep buying shilled cards.