/flt/ - Friendly Linux Thread

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Beginner tips/guides
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>>52985770
First for Gentoo

>>52985704
here it is

#!/usr/bin/php
<?php

ini_set("log_errors", 1);
ini_set("error_log", "/tmp/php-error.log"); // log all the errors

array_shift($argv); // don't need the filename of the script.
error_log(var_export($argv, true)); //debug info

error_log(shell_exec('echo $DISPLAY')); // more debug info
$output = trim(shell_exec('env DISPLAY=:1 zenity --entry --text="Enter a list of tags to add to the selected files" --title="Add tags"')); // prompt for tags
error_log($output); // dump it all in the log

if (trim($output) == '')
    exit('no tags');

$list = explode(', ', $output); // turn string into an array
$tags = implode('/', $list); // turn array into string

$tags = '/home/username/tags/store/'.$tags.'/@/'; // filepath for symlink

foreach ($list as $newtag) // make sure all tags exist.
{
    if (!file_exists('/home/username/tags/tags/'.$newtag))
        mkdir('/home/username/tags/tags/'.$newtag);
}

foreach ($argv as $file) // symlink files into their tags
{
    $file = urldecode(str_replace('file://', '', $file)); // convert URIs to paths
    if (symlink($file, $tags.basename($file)))
        error_log('Successfully symlinked '.$file.' to '.$tags.basename($file));
    else
        error_log('Could not symlink '.$file.' to '.$tags.basename($file));
}
?>

inb4
>>php
>well there's your problem
also had this problem with just a zenity prompt inside a bash script called by nautilus, but not when zenity was called directly by nautilus.

>>52985770
> Maki
> It

I'm fine if you don't like her, but have some basic human decency.

>>52985770
It is a way to update my intel graphics drivers on ubuntu 14.10 lts? Ubuntu forums are filled with autists

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>>52985860
I have no idea.

How do I install Chromium? At present I'm git cloning things from the git repository that look like source code but I can't compile shit.

Anyone have instructions on building from source code? The default ones don't work.

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>>52986449
It should be already in your repos. No need to compile. What distro are you using?

>>52986449
What distro are you using ? Because it should have it packaged & ready.
>mfw I've been postponing updating chromium-gtk3 because compiling can take almost a day

>>52986495
>>52986496
I'm on Fedora, but I've got the RPMFusion free repository enabled.

If it's in the nonfree repo I'm not interested.

>>52986496
>compiling can take almost a day
Holy fuck. I think I'm just going to grab Debian's and call it a day.

>>52986392
>autists
go back ,Austismo

>>52986534
It largely depends on your machine; in my case it's just a puny laptop.

>>52986521
>9
>>52986496
can the russianfedora-tested repository be trusted?

I've enabled it with

dnf copr enable churchyard/chromium-russianfedora-tested 

and can now install Chromium, but I'm not 100% certain I trust it.

>>52986633
Can't you look at the source code of a pre-compiled program?

>>52986639
...Yeah.

It even has a chromium.src package. It's mentioned on rpmfusion's third-party repos page and everything.

Looks legit enough. If I get hacked I'll post about it.

>>52985975
>her
Maki is not a sentient female humanoid entity, anon. It would be a disgrace to call it 'her'.

>>52986521
So, you wouldn't take it precompiled if it's non-free but you'd have no worries compiling it yourself?

new to this whole ssh thing. is there a way to prevent users from poking around in root? i'd prefer it if they kept to their home.

>>52986728
Something along those lines.

I'm willing to use it if it's just open-source, but I really do not want to enable the nonfree repository for fear of accidentally installing proprietary software.

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>>52985770
You dummy, get off my board

Would Debian be a decent starter distro? I've got an old Thinkpad I've been thinking of installing Linux on just to mess around with in my free time. I have also been looking at Fedora, but honestly I don't know exactly what to install

>>52986778
It's *my* board.

>>52986745
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Secure_Shell#Limit_root_login
The archwiki is usually helpful on most linux stuff.

>>52986804
ty.

>>52986804
That prevents logging in as root, not people from looking around in root.

>>52986605
Thanks

>>52986680
Objectively, I see what you mean, because she's "not real", but I still feel like referring to fictional human characters as "it" is just grammatically incorrect.

If I were discussing Futurama, I wouldn't say "Fry said its clothes were worth fifty dollars, then it cut to it naked on the couch."

SSHing into my box from anywhere sounds pretty appealing, but how much of a security risk would it be? I've got fail2ban installed and a fairly ok password.

>>52987049
>security risk would it be?

Set a random long password and use SSH Keys
You can also disable password login via SSH
Also set a non default port

Is there something similar for linux specifically arch that handles multiple monitors similar to how windows handles them? As in when you connect a new monitor to a pc it automatically starts showing to that monitor even if that's the first time it's been connected.

Googling just gives me a load of window manager stuff and the wiki just shows me tools that seem like they're good for manual configuration. Anyone got any ideas?

Chromium runs like absolute shit when I'm watching a youtube video in another window, but when I pause it it's fine
and also the window that youtube's running in is fine too

anyone know why that might be?
running xubuntu, only extensions are 4chanx and ublock origin

>>52987098
Wow, this is perfect. Many thanks for the info.

>>52987587
>it doesn't happen when youtube videos are minimised
>it only happens for specific channels
what le fuck

Is there a port mariadb needs open to work? Used ufw to lock down a vps, but having db troubles.

>>52987670
>>52987587
What
>kernel
>graphics card
>free or proprietary drivers
I could guess that it might be 60fps videos that slow it down or something.

OP here. I have 3 candidates for the next face of /flt/.

>H. Peter Anvin
>Joanna Rutkowska (QubesOS)
>Mark Shuttleworth

Who should I feature?

>>52987705
Toshino Kyoko.

>>52987719
No.

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>>52987754

>>52987705
shuttleworth, saw him at ubucon in january, and seems like a cool guy.

>>52987701
Shit I just noticed it only happens with x2 speed
fuck

right, so im hosting a couple of video game servers on a debian 8 machine
currently they're set to run during boot using systemd, but of course, this makes them run in the background without a terminal
i know i can use journalctl to view the the output of the server, but is there any way i can input text into the stdin of the process?

reason is because i need to enter commands to view the status of the server, and the only way to do that is via stdin

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>>52987766
>>52987719
I too, think it should be Toshino Kyoko

>>52987817
screen/tmux

>>52987841
looked it up and looks good, thanks anon
only problem is they probably wont play nice with systemd's automatic restart but oh well, cant have everything i guess

>>52987719
>>52987766
>>52987838
Dammit guys, I'm pretty sure OP wants it to be
>Linux related
>Technology related

I bet Kyoko doesn't know jackshit about Linux.

>>52987916
>Alan Cox
>Allison Randal
>Andrew Morton
>Benjamin Mako Hill
>Bradley Kuhn
>Bruce Perens
>Daniel Robbins
>David S. Miller
>Greg Kroah-Hartman
>Ian Murdock
>Jon "maddog" Hall
>Jono Bacon
>Karen Sandler
>Linus Torvalds
>Mark Shuttleworth
>Pamela Jones
>RMS
>Theodore Ts'o
>William John Sullivan

>>52987049
I use iptables to block ssh connections from countries I don't expect to be in. No more brute force attacks from China. Racist routing ftw

>>52987817
You can attach with gdb and close fd 1 then open a try. There is a program which does this for you iirc, maybe pttyr or reptty

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This might be more a question for a stupid question thread, but is there a way to show my profile image in the authentication window in ubuntu with cinnamon as desktop environment? I think it's possible because I remember seeing it but I can't seem to do it and not being sure is making me go crazy.

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>>52987705
Uriel.

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Is it possible to adjust USE flags per-package?

I feel like changing the global variable in the conf file every time I install something probably isn't the right way to be doing this but I don't think this was in the handbook.

>>52989251
>profile image

>>52989492
/etc/portage/package.use

How do I dualboot if I had Linux first and then I installed windows? Both os are on the same hdd, but in different partitions.

>>52989596
Get a bootloader.

>>52989596
>>52989619
Do you use UEFI? Then just install rEFInd.

>>52989647
Seconded, rEFInd is really good.

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Wich linux distro do you recommend for Ruby on rails apps development¿

>>52989647
How do I know what I use? Does rEFind work with bios too?

>>52989682
IBM OS/2 Warp

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>>52986778
Off by one

>>52989685
rEFInd doesn't work with BIOS, no.

I turned off azalia on my X99 motherboard and my sound options were deleted in arch. Using alsa. Already reenabled azalia in BIOS. My graphics card(hdmi) audio and my motherboard audio are both listed in lspci -v but not in my asound/cards. I noticed my motherboard card says [disabled][16k]. Or maybe it's my GPU that says that.

But what can I do to force arch to reenable or recognize them? Snd_hda_Intel and I believe snd_pch_nvidia is what they read as. Probably wrong the the nvidia listing.

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>share USB drive with samba
>suddenly stops working
Nice operating system fa/g/s. This never happens on Windows.

>>52989685
What specs does your pc have?
If it's too old to have UEFI then just install GRUB

>>52989728
Samba doesn't even exist on Windows, so yeah you're right that feature can't be used at all.

>>52989715
Do you have the driver modules loaded?
[lsmod]

>linux installation breaks
>fix it

Is there a better feeling in the world, /flt/?

>>52989739
check
>>52989731

>>52989728
I can clearly see the Windows font rendering and the window border from Windows 7 anon.

Kill yourself.

Deleted last post because of horrible grammar. I have bios. I installed Linux first, then windows on same hdd but different partitions. Now PC boots to Windows everytime. I also have USB with mint. What I need to do to dual boot?

>>52989763
Bruh, he's clearly SSH'ing to his server.

>>52989781
Boot mint from usb, pop up terminal and run "sudo grub-install /dev/sda" or smth

>>52989781
You need to install a bootloader.
The bootloader will find the OSes on the hard drive and let you choose which one to boot into.
It needs to be installed on the hard drive itself, or on some other hard drive in the computer.

If you're using BIOS, your options are LILO, GRUB, and SYSLINUX. GRUB is big, bloated, feature-full, and somewhat buggy. LILO is stable as fuck and quick, but may be lacking some features. SYSLINUX is an extreme of that and probably isn't that useful for you.
Pick your poison.

>>52989746
Best feeling ever

>>52989789
That's a great way to brick BOTH his operating systems.
If he's got two OSes already on his drive, it's very likely that the space GRUB would try to put the MBR is taken up by something else.

>>52989742
I'm actually not home at the moment, just looking for how I should go about this. assuming my drivers aren't loading at least for snd_hda_Intel, how would I go about loading them and/or forcing them to load on boot?

Is where a way to instal lilo with Windows then?

>>52989842
Yes, although it'll probably be more ugly than if you did it with linux.

>>52989869
Where, how?

>>52989880
https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&q=install%20lilo%20on%20windows

I'm using the st terminal on a shitbook, and I want to apply the scrollback patch, but what am I supposed to do with the diff file available for download? I've tried doing the whole

patch -p1 < /path/to/patch

thing on their website, but all I get is an error.

Still don't know how to set up dual boot from Windows, except overwriting my Linux mint with Linux mint.

>>52990001
>but all I get is an error.
Errors don't happen for no reason. What does it say?
>>52990073
There are thousands of tutorials and information pages around.

>>52990109
And like 99% of them say first install windows, then Linux. I did other way around.

tcsh does not support functions?
i need writte a script function for this shell

Does Linux mint automatically install grub?

>>52990226
yes always

>>52990073

Last time I did that a simple osprobe sufficed.

What do I choose to overwrite Linux mint with Linux mint for device boot loader location, sda, sda1 (this is where windows reside), or sda2(mint is here)?

>>52990001
Worked out that git patches require cloning the git repo in first place, and therefore that all I needed to do was clone it and run the patches inside the directory.

>>52990109
Thanks. I should have bothered to read the manual.

>>52990336
Most likely sda but be prepared for this to wipe your drive.

>>52990356
Will I still be able to boot windows then?

>>52990363
Maybe. Considering it's your only chance right now I'd go for it anyway.
Installing it on sda1 or sda2 will certainly destroy those respective installations. sda itself MIGHT destroy both, or it might work as intended. Only one way to find out.

>>52990375
Eh can't do any of those, as I get no root file.system is defined error

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I've googled and wikied. But I just can't seem to fix this issue. Anyone have any ideas how to deal with it?

If I click yes it just gives me a ":: package-query: requires pacman<4.3".

>>52990528
>mangina

>>52990528
> ":: package-query: requires pacman<4.3".

That's a Yaourt error, which means you're using Yaourt instead of Pacman, which means you either
A: Should be familiar enough with Arch to solve this yourself, or
B: Followed some meme instruction manual that isn't the Arch wiki and have no idea what Yaourt is.

Just in the off chance it's actually A and not B, I'll tell you.
The solution is to manually download and install package-query-git from the AUR using makepkg.

>>52990565
I'm afraid I don't have access to any manginas.

>>52990528
update package-query with your AUR helper first.

>>52990528
Also just for the record replacing gcc-multilibs with gcc is a shitty idea in the first place.

>>52989798
use rufus, dickhead

>>52989798
dickhead, use rEFInd

I want to display latex formula in inkscape.

I installed the packages :

pstoedit (optional) - latex formulas
python2-lxml (optional) - some extensions and filters
texlive-core (optional) - latex formulas

but I keep receiving the error message

The fantastic lxml wrapper for libxml2 is required by inkex.py and therefore this extension. Please download and install the latest version from http://cheeseshop.python.org/pypi/lxml/, or install it through your package manager by a command like: sudo apt-get install python-lxml

Technical details:
No module named lxml

and I don't know why.

>>52990666
use grub, desu there are probably 10 detailed youtube videos showing you how to install any distro you want, on YouTube

>>52990579
>That's a Yaourt error, which means you're using Yaourt instead of Pacman
Not sure I understand. I mean, if I can use pacman to install something I do. But for the AUR stuff I use Yaourt.

>should be familiar enough with Arch to solve this yourself
I'm quite new to Arch and not much of a "power user". Trying my best to learn but this has just been beating me hard.

>Followed some meme instruction manual that isn't the Arch wiki and have no idea what Yaourt is.
I thought I did. Guess I have a lot to learn.

>>52990588
Oh hey. That worked. Thanks.

>>52990603
How come? And how do I resolve their conflict?

>>52990643
Can't, because I have bios.

>>52990643
>bios
>"use rEFInd"
uh ok

>>52990688
>How come? And how do I resolve their conflict?
gcc-multilib includes gcc, as well as 32-bit libraries for gcc.
That's why they conflect.
multilib is a superset of normal gcc. You don't need gcc installed if you have gcc-multilib.

>>52990704
I see. Thanks.

It seems for every layer I uncover there is an even thicker one underneath. Granted learning is quite fun.

>>52990727
Well anon if it helps, with Arch there's a steep learning curve but eventually you'll reach a plateau where you basically know all you need to and it's just a matter of maintaining it.

Took me about two weeks to reach after I installed it.

>>52990727
It's just how binary distros work, they make everything more complicated. In gentoo all these things are not separate packages, they all originate from one source and you can build multilib if you choose, or not. This is the thing about arch, you are learning about arch, not necessarily linux.

>>52990770
You can say the same thing about Gentoo.
Gentoo does it one way. Arch does it another way. Slackware does it yet another way. Every distro is different.

>>52990779
Gentoo builds them and does it the way the package maintainers do it in those distros, those distro just choose to split it all in to separate packages which causes confusion such as anon has. Complication for complication's sake.

>>52990745
>>52990770
I see. Well, I've had quite fun tinkering with it so far. Still not sure if I should keep it on as my daily driver or switch to something simpler down the line.

Now I just need to find a way to fix all my other plethora of issues.

But I don't want to rely too much on 4chan for help so I'm gonna keep trying by myself.

>>52990796
I could easily say that Gentoo causes confusion by automatically resolving dependencies, and that the only proper way to do it is to use Slackware's package manager which actually lets the user decide what packages to install.

>>52990823
I don't think you could easily say that at all, how is it possibly less confusing to have to manage dependencies yourself? More work, more effort, more confusion, all for absolutely no benefit.

>>52990770
>you can build multilib
Debian-based distros don't use multilib but superior multiarch:
https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiarchSpec

>>52990952
As far as I can see that is exactly the same as how multilib is handled in gentoo, except it has a different name.

>>52991032
only seems to allow 32-bit bit software on a 64-bit software for amd64. not different arches. also seems very newish:
https://www.gentoo.org/support/news-items/2015-03-28-true-multilib.html

compare to Exherbo - an gentoo fork - which offers multiarch, but differently than Debian:
http://exherbo.org/docs/multiarch-pr.html

What does /flt/ think about plan9?

>>52991462
>plan9
Any idea it had is now implemented in Linux and from scratch.
For example 9menu is not near as good as dmenu or ratmenu.

>>52990770
>>52991233
pretty strange to diss binary distros while mentioning multilib where gentoo used binaries not even a year ago.

you are still learning your distro and not linux, because there's no linux.
efforts to unify Linux like LSB or FHS often result in bad, least common denominator specs.
for FHS's multilib that meant:
https://blog.flameeyes.eu/2006/06/shortcomings-of-our-multilib-fhs-filesystem-layout
Would wager gentoo's new "true multilib" isn't really FHS compatible. Same as Debian's multiarch. Further, Debian is giving up on LSB completely:
https://lwn.net/Articles/658809/

>>52985770

Can I install LInux on a Macbook Pro 5,1 generation without using a vm? I want to replace Mac OSX with it.

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I'm using dm+LUKS with a SSD.
Now, I need either TRIM or a filesystem designed for SSD's with no need for that (idk if that exists).

I read that trim forwarding to the encrypted container is not secure. Can you give me an overview of possible attacks? (or like I mentioned, an alternative)

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/F2FS

>>52991889
>dm+LUKS with
that's not secure to begin with:
http://sockpuppet.org/blog/2014/04/30/you-dont-want-xts/

>>52991769
https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Apple/MacBookPro/5-1

>>52992069
bullshit.

Which Debian derivative is the most bleeding-edge while remaining reasonably stable? Is *buntu the only choice?

>>52992303
Debian testing

>>52992380
I can't even find testing. Never bothered to, since I heard *buntus for instance are more basically more refined versions of the bare testing.

>>52992486
Install debian, change the word jessie to stretch in /etc/apt/sources.list, sudo aptitude update, sudo aptitude dist-upgrade, sudo reboot
Ubuntu is literally debian testing with bloat and less recent packages.

>>52992554
Shit, thanks m8. Installing debian now

>>52992380
Debian testing will be lacking behind Ubuntu every ~2 years for 1-2 Ubuntu releases when there's the ~6 month freeze for a new stable. Debian testing will be not that stable when the freeze is lifted again for like ~3 months.

Ubuntu being based on Debian unstable will be newer than Debian testing around its release day. Some newer packages from Debian unstable might take some time till they arrive in Debian testing or even be temporally removed from Debian testing due to conflicts:
https://wiki.debian.org/OngoingTransitions

>>52992554
>Install debian, change the word jessie to stretch in /etc/apt/sources.list, sudo aptitude update, sudo aptitude dist-upgrade, sudo reboot
do not use aptitude for dist-upgrade
https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#upgradingpackages
>Ubuntu is literally debian testing with bloat and less recent packages.
nope. Ubuntu is based on Debian unstable and they do their own upbringing for lots of core package. they also offer timely security updates, which Debian testing does not:
https://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing

Is there any way to upgrade CrunchBang++ or BunsenLabs to Debian testing? They both look nice but i'd rather more up-to-date shit. If it isn't possible, is there perhaps a way to clone the appearance of the distro's and simply move them to a minimal Testing install?

>>52992869
>clone the appearance of the distro's and simply move them to a minimal Testing install?
Just take the configs, it's just a customized openbox. I'm pretty sure you can get the configs online somewhere. Set it up in a virtualbox first if you want test how close you can get it.

>>52992834
Isn't mixing aptitude and apt-get bad practice?
Also this is only specified for upgrading from wheezy to jessie.
I never had problems with testing that aptitude didn't solve.

>>52993040
>using aptitude at all

>>52993064
Why not? I like how the search works, how dependency resolving works with it and I like the tui.

>>52985781
sauce or it's fake

>>52992972
I haven't done too much delving into seeing if there's configs, but i'm sure they're out there. I know they have some of their GTK themes available through git if i'm not mistaken, so I might be able to try that in order to match it.

>>52993040
>Isn't mixing aptitude and apt-get bad practice?
yes, you should use only apt-get
>Also this is only specified for upgrading from wheezy to jessie.
no:
https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#upgradingpackages
>I never had problems with testing that aptitude didn't solve.
depends on the user.
aptitude might suggest stupid things like removing half your packages to solve some conflicts and inexperienced users might agree.

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The day people stop naming Openbox distros (something)Bang can't come soon enough. CrunchBang was a fine distro, but It's not as if it revolutionized anything. It's just a configged Openbox and Tint2. Jeez. With this ArchBang PacBang YourMomBang naming, you'd think CrunchBang invented Ganoo lash LeanDucks.

>>52993196
Bunsenlabs

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>>52993196
nice blog

>>52993382
Yes, thank heavens they didn't name it BunsenBang or LabsBang.

>>52993467
The best. Rate, comment, and subscribe!

>>52993382
Bumsenlabs is my favorite distro next to Arsch Linux.

>>52993382
#!++

>>52993517
Unofficial.

So my mom got herself a new computer, and gave me her old laptop
Would it be hard to install Linux on that?

>>52993563
depends on the laptop

I find Cinnamon to stutter from time to time. What are your favorite DEs?

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>>52993604
A few years old acer

>>52993616
xfce is my favorite, but test a few too find out what you like yourself.

How's Gnome nowadays? I like xfce, but am open to new suggestions.

>>52993722
It's okay but i don't like how it feels.

>>52993680
Is there a specific distro that xfce works better in? Like Xubuntu, Mint Xfce?

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What is this? What do I have to enter in the terminal to get this to display? I'm very new to linux. I'm on linux mint. Trying to learn the terminal better.

>>52993803
no, everything except Unity will basically work fine on every common distro.

>>52993809
lurk moar

>>52993809
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Screenshot_Information_Tools

>>52993809
screenfetch

>>52993927
>>>/b/

>>52993809
go to codeacademy dot com and make the course regarding the terminal.

also as in screenshot shown paul is using a different distro. If you're a beginner, you won't be able to install it because it's a pain in the ass.

but the most important thing for you is obviously the looks and what I want to tell you about that is >>52993927

>>52994235
>also as in screenshot shown paul is using a different distro. If you're a beginner, you won't be able to install it because it's a pain in the ass.

sudo apt install screenfetch

is totally harder than

sudo pacman -S screenfetch

>>52994317
No, no ,no, you have to download the sourcecode and compile it yourself.

>>52992869

CB++ is already built on testing, as far as i know

>>52994317
>I need a package manager to install a simple script.

>>52993809
https://github.com/KittyKatt/screenFetch

>>52994349
No, it's based on Jessie.

>>52994356
>compiling every single package
I only do that shit when I need the BLEEDING edge. Things that are changing all the time for instance. mpv and dolphin come to mind.

>>52994345
>screenfetch
>compile
t. people who have no idea what screenfetch is

>>52994356
>>I need a package manager to install a simple script.
you always should use your package manager given the option. the whole job of your distro is to nicely integrate software in your system and maintain it.

>>52994404
>dolphin
emulator or filemanager?

alias screenfetch='curl -s https://raw.githubusercontent.com/KittyKatt/screenFetch/master/screenfetch-dev | bash'

>>52994416
Took you more than 3 minutes, I'm disappointed.

>>52994438
The emulator, though that has been a shitfest for a while now.

It's always the same, 1 guy asks a question, 10 guys shitstorm about nothing.

>>52994449
I'm on the internet not only to browse /g/, familia.

>>52994521
You're also not the only one with a chance to notice it

>>52994521
>>>/reddit/

>>52994502
if there are more questions there are less flamewars.

>>52992772
anyone keeping track when latest stable Ubuntu is more up to date then Debian testing in say between two Debian releases.

>be temporally removed from Debian testing due to conflicts:
https://wiki.debian.org/OngoingTransitions
how often does that happen?

>>52994567
>how often does that happen?
rarely

Instead of making a separate thread figured im just gonna axe here. I need a laptop for school. Im only gonna do some light programming(web development, java) and some text editing. I dont need no le super ultra gamer laptop or what ever. Only requirements are that the battery lasts long, that its light/portable, and of course that the hardware is polite to linux.

>>52991536
The 9utils have been implemented, but the general idea behind plan9 hasn't even come close to being implemented by anyone.

Bill Gates apparently wanted to make a version of it at some time prior to making Windows 95, but it never happened.


I'm still waiting for a distributed OS/2 Warp-based operating system to be made but it looks like it just ain't gonna happen.

>>52994609
I wouldn't call Java light programming, shit's pretty resource hungry.

>>52994609
budget?
fully free or is almost free enough?
do you need a dedicated GPU?

>>52994349
Is it? I haven't looked into CB++ too much, so i'll check it out.

>>52994751
>budget?
I might be willing to go up to a 1000 bucks if the laptop is good enough. Of course cheaper would be preferable if possible.

>fully free or is almost free enough?
Would prefer fully free, but I know it's difficult and I don't want to get subpar laptop.

>do you need a dedicated GPU?
No. I don't play vidya, nor do I do any graphical dev or similar.

>>52994609
Hmmm. This looks like what you want.
http://www.dell.com/us/p/alienware-18/pd?oc=dkcwx04b&model_id=alienware-18

>>52994887
I'll probably get lynched for recommending something this expensive but i'd recommend to configure a lemur on system76. dell xps dev also has great compatibility.

>>52994935
Seriously, don't buy system76. Horrible build quality.

This is another a short list also part of a longer one I am building on GNU/Linux software. Please be patient while I add a description and the rest of tools.

Productivity

Background Sound: Ambient Noise, GNU GTick
Ear Training GNU Solfege, LenMus
Batch Renamer: vidir, GPRename
General Cataloger: Data Crow
Movie Cataloger: Griffith
Book Cataloger: Alexandria
Volume Cataloguer: Virtual Volumes View
Genealogy Software: Gramps
Eye Strain: Redshift
Flashcards: Anki, awk flashcards
Gamification: HabitRPG
Personal Assistant: Mycroft, Orca, GnuTutor
Desktop Character: Kawari + Ninix-aya, Gnome KiSS, Neko
Media Organizer: gThumb, digiKam
Personal Organizer: when, calcurse, Wyrd, Task Coach
Accounting: GNU Pem, GnuCash
Financial Markets Monitoring: QtTrader, Qtstalker
Financial Trading: JStock, FIX Agora
Bitcoin Wallet: Bitcoin Core, Armory
Bitcoin Trader: Qt Bitcoin Trader
Block Chain Browser: Abe
Repetitive Strain Injury: Workrave
Search: ANGRYsearch, Beagle
Spell Check: GNU Aspell
Typing Training: GNU Typist, Klavaro
Text-To-Speech: eSpeak, eBook-speaker (+ pandoc), Gespeaker

>>52994609
Thinkpad x250 although you could get away with an x220 for your needs and it would only cost you like $200-$250

>>52994976
really? i didn't hear that yet, I'll look up on this, thanks for correcting me.

>>52994983
Reduce the GNU programs.

>>52994983
>Gramps

I bet it was written in C.

>>52994915
kill urself

>>52995016
#rude

>>52995010
>>>/hipster/

I'd love to set up wget or aria2c to download images from 4chan or entire chapters from our goddess. Can someone point me in the right direction? I have some coding knowledge with the CS curriculum from maths, but I haven't done much aside baby scripts for rebuilding things. I can always get Jdownloader since having depth searching for links is convenient, but I'd rather learn something new.

>>52994983
The wiki may need this information.

>>52994935
wow that dell costs a lot. I did like the sound of the system76 but >>52994976
anon says they have bad build quality. Damn

>>52995027
>>>/desktopthread/

>>52994983
add these to the wiki please, it needs contributions

Fedora/RHEL expert here if anyone needs help. I'm currently in the process of building a graphical systemd unit file creator.

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In general, what would require a reboot after doing an update? Only the kernel? What other packages would need a reboot?

I haven't updated my Fedora 23 file server for a month or two. I just checked and it has a whole bunch of updates available, including the kernel. But I don't want to reboot.

>>52995070
>RHEL expert
Are you that Red Hat employee guy?

>>52995027
>#
I hate you /g/. I need to see some red text somewhere, even if it's on me for the lulz, I won't mind. Any sort of indication that mods didn't give up on this place is all I need. Fuck.

>>52995032
man wget
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/mastering-wget-learning-neat-downloading-tricks/
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/mastering-wget-learning-neat-downloading-tricks/
http://www.labnol.org/software/wget-command-examples/28750/
http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2009/09/the-ultimate-wget-download-guide-with-15-awesome-examples/

>>52995073
IIRC the kernel has live patching, it is only enabled in RHEL/CentOS though.

>>52995037
The Dell XPS line is basically the best build quality you'll ever get outside of Thinkpads that are more than three years old (Lenovo has been chinking out recently). You get what you pay for with Dell, although you shouldn't expect much in the name of bells or whistles.

The Business Latitude line is also really damn good - I'm currently using one as a home server.

>>52994887
>>52994609
see
>>52973259

What form factor? 12", 14", 15"?

>>52995073
You'd need to reboot it if you wanted to use the new features, but you don't have to reboot it as soon as you update. You could theoretically update it and then never reboot it - you'd just be using the old kernel for as long as it's on.

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>>52995010
Mandatory for this kind of comments:

I am going to redpill you about the GPL before the paid trolls.

Some cucks (among many we have) are trying to promote BSD, MIT, Apache and other licenses because they are hired by corporations that can make privative software thanks to those licenses by putting some closed source on top and fuck everyone else.

For example, Darwin is an operative system in which Apple collaborates with the "open source" community. Because it is a BSD derivative, Apple uses that operative system and put it some closed source bits and call it OS X.

Sure, you can use Darwin, but is crippleware, is of much lesser quality. And Apple is not even full fascist here, they at least have some degree of cooperation. Microsoft on the other hand in the 90's spread memos about how to fuck up Linux and the free as in freedom community. Is called "embrace, extend, extinguish". See for yourself:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween_documents

If you were in charge of Microsoft, and you had no ethics, what would you do knowing that you could harm the free software community just by reusing "open source" software in your favor, put some bells and whistles, and extinguishing the original product?

I beg you consider the GPL and LGPL over everything else. One can't possibly know what is being used under the hood of many privative software, and you never know when something "open sourced" sometime ago is now part of closed source software.

Even the LGPL, because you can have a fully functional application in LGPL which someone can cut off the interface, put a privative interface to it and deprecate any other interface by changing the API (systemd?).

>>52995076
well I don't know if >that guy is me but I have worked with Red Hat in the past on a few projects, currently I'm primarily maintaining a cluster at a public/private tech incubator

Everybody that uses Debian should have this:
https://debian-handbook.info/get/now/

>>52995076
No, that was me.

>>52995010
No.

>>52995033
>>52995064
I plan to add it to the wiki, but is not near over (like a tenth of the full list), and I am looking to promote some software over other before put it on a wiki.
To say, this list is in protest of the current deprecation of a lot of software made by some unpopular dependencies (systemd).

>>52995126
In all seriousness, after what happened with our last project, we would never consider a GPL for our software's license (except for things that would be included into Linux kernel), we will license this on LGPL, MPL, or Apache.

>>52995096
Thanks you very much. I should just really read the fucking manual.

>>52995245
>after what happened with our last project
>our
which project?

>>52995245
>we would never consider a GPL for our software's license (except for things that would be included into Linux kernel)
Nice trolling.

>>52995105
>>52995101
>>52995000
Thanks for your information. Now I at least know where to look.

>>52994983
>Search: ANGRYsearch, Beagle
Speaking on reasons why new users find it hard on Linux, a desktop search for documents is one.

Come on people, not all winfags use regex, at least not at first.

>>52995276
We had a scrapped project that was not announced to public yet.

>>52995279
>Nice troll
You never know the hell of working with people with many fierce ideologies when it comes to licensing decisions.
>Free Software hardliners want that shit to be fully GPLed
>some want it to be extremely permissive
>some: "look, they can use this in their fucking proprietary programs, but our codes shall be remain free"

>>52995389
you don't even tell us your project and expect people to believe you? top fucking kek.

>>52995412
Do I ever expect you to believe me? No? Good.

>>52995389
>You never know the hell of working with people with many fierce ideologies when it comes to licensing decisions.
Kind of know that anon. Details aside, stick to a functional decision. The code can be used by other enterprises, but if you want some people to give back some of the work you should use either GPL or LGPL.

What's the point of benefiting the competition for free as in beer if the software doesn't even offers free as in freedom?

>>52995459
>What's the point of benefiting the competition for free as in beer if the software doesn't even offers free as in freedom?
sometimes, a win win solution is needed for companies

>>52995598
>a win win solution
GPL, just common, that's the best solution. And I don't push just GPL, LGPL is cool too if you want.

>>52995598
Your competitors thank you.

>>52995637
Let's just put it this way: You'll never know what kind of company that could end up being another's partner. To this day I still can't believe that Red Hat and Microsoft teamed up.

>>52985781
This happened to me, but with Debian.

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Hi there.
I was using a premade conky setup I tinkered with. I didn't change the colours, but now I would like to have the 'dark' equivalent for light wallpapers.

The conky part is visible with light wallpapers, but I can't see well the terminal fonts if I set them to a lighter colour.

Can you help me out? I've been playing with the colours of shade, outlines, etc to no avail.

Here's the relevant part of the conky setup.

background no
font Sans:size=8
#font Love LetterTW:size=9
#xftfont Sans:size=10
use_xft yes
xftalpha 0.9
update_interval 5.0
total_run_times 0
own_window yes
own_window_type normal
own_window_argb_visual true
own_window_transparent yes
#own_windiw_class conky
own_window_hints undecorated,below,sticky,skip_taskbar,skip_pager
double_buffer yes
minimum_size 220 5
maximum_width 220
draw_shades yes
draw_outline no
draw_borders no
draw_graph_borders yes
default_color CDE0E7
default_shade_color black
default_outline_color green
alignment top_right
gap_x 12
gap_y 35
no_buffers yes

>>52996006
Critics aside, Red Hat owes it to Linux and the service business model.

>>52996053
>conky
lol

I was thinking of using Photoshop and some other programs over VM instead of using something like WINE which has kind of disappointed me several times.

Has anyone tried performance with these programs over a virtual machine?

>>52996053
Is that.....a console as wallpaper?

>>52996053
>

#xftfont Sans:size=10

uncomment this

font Sans:size=8

comment this

you set ttf/oft etc via xftfont
bitmap fonts via font

>>52996053
>

draw_outline no

switch to yes

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>>52996125
It's just a console with the borders removed and transparency enabled.
Do you like it?

>>52996232
It's doing weird stuff. There's a huge jump in size from 5 to 6.

>>52996253
Done. Also changed the outline colour to black.

Here's the full conkyrc
http://pastebin.com/4v3PPHGu

I don't know how to remove the lowest pair of graphs.

>>52996053
>>52996546
I'll never understand these bloated vertical conky setups
for what purpose

also that font rendering is trash
firefox interface using monospaced font
what the fuck are you doing

How do I change distros without affecting my files?

>>52996721
keep the /home partition, backup your configs

>>52996546
>Do you like it?
Yeah, what terminal are you using?

>>52996738
my /home isn't partitioned, I haven't tried debian's installer yet, can it disregard making a new /home?

>>52996816
Guides tell you to make a partition for home for a reason.

>>52996861
Can I partition it now? I have gparted

>>52996705
Let's keep it constructive here.

Tell me which fonts to use on FF. The vertical bloated conky is a matter of personal preference, but I'm willing to experiment with other stuff.

I need no matter what 4, maybe 5 rows of info. How would you proceed about it?

>>52996771
konsole from KDE. I set it to remain always on the background and to be skipped by the alt-tab pager.

It's far from perfect, as I would like the konsole window and the desktop to be 'fused', but I haven't looked into it in some time.

>>52996931
If you have enough space, sure.

>>52996861
>but note that you can still reinstall Arch with /home untouched even if it isn't separate - the other top-level directories just need to be removed, and then pacstrap can be run.

I have antergos currently installed, but will this also apply to debian?

>>52993671
I have almost that exact same laptop.

Acer is generally easy to put Linux on. Go into your boot settings and set USB HDD to the top of the boot order, then use unetbootin to install an ISO to a USB stick.

I recommend Fedora or Korora.

>>52993722
It's alright if you install gnome-tweak-tools and adjust a few things.

>>52996965
If you're brace, try it and report the results.

>>52996546
>>52996253
>>52996232
>>52996125
>>52996053
Changing plans.

How do I display stuff in the basic KDE panel.
Stuff like CPU temps, etc.
I mean I already know how to make it with conky if I can display it in the shell, but no idea how to proceed when it's the KDE panel.

I want to go deep. I am new to Linux, ventured a couple times into Ubuntu but I want to just get right into the thick of it. So I'm planning to dual-boot windows with Arch until everything is sound and then hopefully never need to go to Windows again. I don't use CAD or Photoshop for work so I don't *need* to use Windows.

Can I do it? Or am I way in over my head? Currently have an arch iso on a USB flash drive ready to be installed, but before I begin I want to be clear on how I'm going to partition the one and only drive on my laptop to dual boot windows and arch. Been doing some research and I'll be honest, this shit is pretty unclear to me, none of the guides really explain how I am supposed to make and label the different partitions for /boot /home and /swap and anything else I don't know about, as well as what boot loader to use and what the differences are..
I really want to learn, but following hyperlinks to a million different pages on a wiki can be quite overwhelming when you're going in blind.
I was thinking maybe I should *study* up and not down notes as I go. For example, since I'm stuck on the partition phase and the different forms of boot loaders, I should just learn the ins and outs of those things as if I was learning a new subject and just take notes and assimilate all the info into one document that I can study from.

>>52997344
>I want to just get right into the thick of it.

this isn't the right way to do it. you'll get frustrated and wind back up on windows. windows and osx users don't fully comprehend the complexity of a modern OS since they are shielded from most of the inner-workings

I'd recommend learning ubuntu really well. Learning partitioning by hand, etc is rarely needed once you have a working system set up. In other words you will be wasting your time learning something that you don't really even need to know to be a good linux user

>>52997344
I had an experience similar to you. Here's what I recommend:

* Install Arch into a VM once so you understand the gist of the installation process.

* In terms of partitioning, it all depends. If your data is going to be on one drive and you're not doing anything fancy (e.g. encryption, unusual filesystems), then a single root partition should be more than OK for you.

* The tl;dr of Arch is this: rather than being given fully-loaded Linux OS, you're given the skeleton of a Linux OS. You can put what you want on that skeleton, but you can also ignore the things you don't want/need. Partitioning is one of those things that is great if it interests you, but isn't really needed for the average user.

* Bootloaders aren't too complex. For a newbie, I'd just go with GRUB.

I watched a Russian YouTube video about the top five stable and reliable distros. Manjaro at 5. Wew, lad.

>>52985770
Should I use the terminal emulator that came with X (Xterm) or are there better options out there I should consider? This one's pretty good but I want to start customizing it a bit and maybe there's something that's more flexible

>>52996121
I've had a vm running xp and didn't have any problems. IDA, Photoshop, Visual Studio all worked fine for me.

>>52997598
personal preference really, but the terminal software itself doesn't do a whole lot

I like gnome-terminal, although terminator is probably a little more powerful

if you want a customized and powerful terminal environment I would suggest switching to zsh and install oh-my-zsh

>>52997569
it's the linux mint fallacy:

if we take a good distro and 'improve it', it must therefore be better than the original

>>52997598
There are tons of them, choosing the perfect one for you might take some time.

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>Had posted in another thread but:

I just switched to a Linux system (Debian) after using Windows all my life and..

I don't know whether I like it or not. I mean, there are certainly a lot of aspects that I admire such as the freedom I have with this OS, how much it teaches the user (i really love this part), security/stability, overall looks are also very pleasant and easy to customize.

But the thing that gets me the most is how much work it takes to install basically ANYTHING on linux. Maybe I'm just too used to Windows, but all I had to do was go to a webpage and download something and done. It's there. Although on a lot of case its similar on linux where all I have to do is # apt-get you always just have to configure the shit out of everything. And a lot of programs/games that I like aren't available either, I need to actually find the time to look it up on how to install it/wine.

It feels like a great OS, but its so time consuming about the stupidest things... I waste more time researching than enjoying it. Although I appreciate that, its tiring. Perhaps because I'm new to this.

>>52997651
>suggest switching to zsh and install oh-my-
Please don't. If anon wants to better the look f the terminal he would do it by hand, but if he needs a boilerplate oh-my-zsh there is a bash alternative called "bash it" if that's the case.

>>52997598
As >>52997691 said, is a matter of taste.

>>52997789
why do you not like zsh?

it's posix on steroids

>>52997651
>>52997691
>>52997789
Thanks

>>52997840
Here is a list of terminals you might like to try:
UXTerm, Termite, rxvt-unicode (a.k.a. urxvt), Qodem, Terminology, Cool Retro Term (just for fun)

can someone explain to me why people call it linux? is that really the right name? what's "gnu" i keep hearing of? if you could do it in 9,000 words i'd appreciate it

>>52997814
Is unnecessary, and OS X oriented, most of all oh-my-zsh. Is an awful lot of bloat but is your decision.

>>52997651
prezto is faster than oh-my-zsh

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Guise, why am I missing /var/log/auth.log

>>52998002
>bloat

it's just aliases and color schemes

you can choose which ones to enable in .zshrc

the rest aren't even loaded

>>52998047

cool I'll check it out

>>52998070
Is your password for ssh pass123?

>>52998136
No, it's hunter2

>>52998163
Did you type in

 sudo rm /var/log/* 

Because otherwise someone found your address, stole your information, and removed the logs. Better go hunt for any changed information. Also reinstall is preferred in case any rootkits.

Of course your configs could just not be set up properly. Restart, if auth.log comes back than what I said is true.

guys I'm mad right now
I installed openSUSE, but for about half an hour now I've been trying to get sound to working, namely regular mp3 files and videos
Is there any simple solution, or do I have to get back to arch, where everything justs werks?

>>52998236
I mean, it's my OrangePi, so at most they stole my friend's Minecraft map backup

>Restart, if auth.log comes back than what I said is true
Muh uptime tho :(

>>52997746
The installation itself for your average program is 1 command as you wrote, while it's going to a webpage, downloading, unticking adware tickboxes while installing in Windows.

The games part... They were written for Windows, it took the work of haxors to get them to even run with Wine as they do. Hopefully Linux will get more good games.

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>>52998267
It can't fuck up your uptime that much.

I recently updated software the other day. Had a few months before that.

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>>52998372
107 days tho :(

>>52998266
Ok it works now when I switch all possible packages to the packman repository, but jesus, what an unnecessary bullshit

>>52997537
Thanks, I see your point and agree it might be fair to take it slow.
>>52997561
I may try the VM install and see how I get on, and if I get frustrated as the other guy said then I'll just go to a more newbie friendly distro until I learn a little more about Linux.

>>52998306
Yeah, I suppose I'm just not used to these commands yet. And don't generally know what to type after "apt-get install" so I need to look up most things. Always.

It feels a bit tiring, but it's probably my own lack of knowledge about the OS. I'll stick with it and try to learn more though, like I said its not all that bad because I do appreciate the experience in learning. I hope to get to a point where I'm very comfortable with it as I was with Windows.

>>52992869
I have two CB++ installs that I moved to the testing repositories and have even dist-upgraded to some sid packages. Works fine.

>>52998070
You are using systemd?

>>52997746
I was exactly in the same boat. I've thought about switching back, but I eventually got the hang of it. Windows 10 and Microsoft's public mining really pushed me off.

>>52998664
Yeah, I think I am

>>52998703
journalctl -u sshd

>>52998727

journalctl -u sshd
No journal files were found.

>>52998537
consider this: you're not going to be looking for a lot of programs, and you can always use something like synaptic to look up what something does. And you have the advantage of installing several programs at once by just typing apt-get install program1 program2 program3.

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>>52995096
I'm a little lost here. I'll go read a bit more later, but reading through got me to use something like

wget --directory-prefix=testan/ --recursive --level=3  --no-directories --no-clobber --accept=jpg,jpeg,png,gif,webm boards.4chan.org/g/thread/52985770

for this thread yet I'm only getting robots. What am I doing wrong?

>>52998752
Do you even write logs on that system?

>>52998809
try adding

--execute robots=off ‐‐refer=http://google.com --user-agent="Mozilla/5.0 Firefox/4.0.1"

>>52997996
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/GNU/Linux
this covers pretty much everything

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>>52998864
That's probably why, the prebaked image seems to have disabled logging (probably to save on resources)

>>52998520
I think a good exercise is to just install ubuntu (or run it live) and then as an exercise try to install 2 or 3 different distros to a single USB stick via proper partitioning and dd and then install and configure grub to the usb stick so that you can choose which OS to boot. Also try to make a persistent partition and try to use some encryption along the way

you'll have zero downtime and learn all you'll want to know about partitioning, gpt/msdos, mbr/uefi and grub without touching your running OS

>>52998981
wat is deedee

What is the difference between distros? I've tried a few of them and I couldn't answer this question with my beginner level knowledge.

Should I just choose the distro with best repositories for my taste? In that case is ubuntu a logical choice?

>>52998866
Still nothing. That's very weird.
I'm running Debian testing, and it looks like wget is actualized.

>>52999024
>Should I just choose the distro with best repositories for my taste?
Yes
>In that case is ubuntu a logical choice?
If that's your taste

>>52999058
I mean it has everything that end user needs and I'm an end user.

Actually now I'm questioning where I am because I didn't get judged immediately after mentioning ubuntu.

>>52999097
Use lubuntu or xubuntu

>>52999024
>Should I just choose the distro with best repositories for my taste? In that case is ubuntu a logical choice?
Ubuntu doesn't have very big repositories, if you only count what's actually maintained.
Only the main repository is maintained by Canonical, that means 3,150 (source) packages.
the rest is in the community-maintained universe repo, which is mostly not maintained at all and just some old Debian unstable snapshot.
Meanwhile Debian has all 20,500 packages in their main repo and everything is maintained.

>>52998896
and why would an unprivileged user have access to the journal file?
try with sudo

do I have to do anything special with QEMU to get it to give a VM a mouse? I tried using

-usbdevice host:

while launching it, and while it works just fine for a keyboard and joystick, it doesn't seem to do it with a mouse

We are at 314 posts and on page 4, is the OP from this thread around with a new image and the next thread?

>>52999372
well it seems to work with a different mouse just fine, what would cause it to not work with a certain mouse?

>>52999421
Yeah, I am waiting for the regular guys (although I am tease to start a new thread with the old guides :)

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3MB, 1920x1080px

I'm playing around with blender and testing some different render settings and shaders, here's a result. good night /flt/.

My friend wants to use Funtoo as his first Linux, how much of a mistake is he making

>>52999726
7/10 mistake
i hope he can handle frustration

>>52999693
looks nice, n8 anon

we need a new thread
>319

>>52999754
I see, I never used Funtoo so I don't know how much easier it is to use than Gentoo
I'll have to dissuade him to another distro

>>53000000

new thread: >>53000294
>>53000294
>>53000294

>>53000303
Finally senpai.

Any icon themes that go well with a dark-colored desktop? Maybe something grayscale or monochome?

>>52999097
> Even considering using Vanilla Ubuntu

Here's your judgement, asshole.

>>53000156
>>53000001
>>52999999