/flt/ - Friendly Linux Thread

What is Linux (or GNU/Linux for Stallmanists)?
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/GNU/Linux

Babby's First Linux (What distro to choose?)
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Babbies_First_Linux

What software does /g/ recommend? (Please DON'T include the so called infographic -- refer all your recommended software here.)
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/List_of_recommended_GNU/Linux_software

Ricing on Linux (Make it good and functional or make it worse like those at desktop threads)
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/GNU/Linux_ricing

A script designed to ease the transition from Windows to Debian
https://github.com/Chocolate-Chip-Computing/DebianNewbieScript

We now have an entry in the install Gentoo wiki!
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php//flt/

OP, you clueless nigger.
1. Manjaro is a good intro to Arch, never prohibit people to use a distro if you haven't used it.
2. LinuxMint != Ubuntu LTS + Cinnamon; Mint comes with different DEs and there is a Debian derivatives to it.

>>51570919
derivative*

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Manjaro is a great distro
its arch easily installed
its great looking out of the box
stuff has nicely done GUI
you get AUR
and you are bit safer than on arch thanks to delayed updates as they watch if arch community wont have some issues

yeah you get security fixes later too, but we talk desktop rolling distro
faggots who cry about that are focusing on that because there is no other draw back of manjaro approach

So yeah, OP is just butthurt faggot as always

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>>51570890
>Please DON'T include the so called infographic -- refer all your recommended software here

you mean this one?

>>51570960
why not antergos then?

>>51570919
>Manjaro is a good intro
>frequently breaks more than Arch
>Uses their own repo for placebo "security" shit
sure thing senpai :^)

>Mint comes with different DEs
and no differences with their Ubuntu counterparts.

>>51570960
>implying antergos isn't better than that shit

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>>51571004
Antergos turns people cruel. Picture related

>>51570986
You can always replace Dolphin (why recommend something that pulls every KDE dependencies), and Popcorn Time is dead. Other than that I think it's good.

P.S.: Why don't you put your recommended list in the wiki? I'm just following what the wiki OP, you can always edit it out.

>>51571017
>frequently breaks more than Arch
>devs constantly asking people to be careful with the AUR
>use the AUR anyways
>how to use yaourt: y>n>y>[passwd]
>compatibility issues
>packages break
>rage post on 4chinz /gee/
>(you)

>>51571017
>antergos
>currynigger-made theme pre-installed
stay keked

>>51571028
link-related senpai :^)
http://archive.is/JeOLo

>>51571056
>using a distro which is too hipster/paranoid to use arch repos and still uses AUR functionality

>>51571074
Enjoy your curry mixed pre installed theme

>>51570292
Yeah, hopefully everything clears up by 4.4 but I guess I'll have to hop on Win 10 to check if it's hardware.
Only reason I'm really stressing is I only built this computer a week ago and I'd like to get any possible RMA's done asap.

>>51571082
>m-muh white pride
>m-muh master race
>>>/b/

>>51571102
fuck off, satya
>>>/designated_alley_996/

>>51571116
keep butthurt while we're taking your jobs, john :^)

>>51571125
Get back to india and stop shilling your theme

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There are people here RIGHT NOW who are shilling antergos

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>>51571230
>>51571139
>>51571082
>>51571065
>>51571028

>>51570919
>Manjaro is a good intro to Arch
Literally, LITERALLY no reason to "intro" to arch. If you're not familiar enough with Linux to use arch, you're not familiar enough to use a fork of arch and should stay on mint/ubuntu/debian until you feel comfortable with installing arch, manually.

>>51571247
forgot the :^)

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>>51571247
>>51571255
fixed :^)

>>51571331
I actually keked!
ty anon

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>>51571357
I am keking myself. You're wc, anon

Haven't used linux since I was a teen, nearly a decade ago now. Can I still get it looking pretty as fuck? Though other OSes have caught up in that regard, I remember using compiz or beryl or whatever it was called. Looked better than any other OS at the time. Blew my mind rotating the dektop. I was easily amused.

Is security a concern with linux now? Have things gotten easier to set up? I used to enjoy all the tinkering, installed gentoo once but I can't be assed with too much hassle these days, though the extra flexibility is nice. I just don't want to spend hours getting xorg to work, then another one getting flash to work, then another two wondering why my connection keeps dropping.

I'm kind of a noob to Linux, what's wrong with Antergos?

>>51571382
>beryl
I haven't heard that name since long ago, anon.

>>51571413
useless alternative to the architect installer

>>51571413
manjaro shills, just don't listen to them.

>>51571413
just use opensuse leap, lång support and very ez to use, thanks to yast

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friendly reminder

>>51571413
Installer is constantly broken
Makes installing a potentially unstable OS piss easy which may fuck over newbies.

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>>51571453
Hourly reminder

>>51571453
Still full of shit

>>51571453
>No Quality Control
>He doesn't know Linus' and Greg's rant when something is wrong

What a bullshit article.

>>51571453
>Windows 8 received 1,240,000,000 hours of testing
>Oops, something happened :(

>>51571453
>No QC
https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/12/23/75

>>51571382
>Is security a concern with linux now?
Security was always a concern. All bugs are a concern.
>Have things gotten easier to set up?
Yes
>I just don't want to spend hours getting xorg to work
KMS works on all Intel GPUs, AMD GPUs on systems that include binary blobs, and most NVIDIA GPUs without acceleration.
>then another one getting flash to work
Chrome ships with flash.
>then another two wondering why my connection keeps dropping.
You bought a laptop or computer from a manufacturer that uses Ralink or Broadcom chips to increase their margins.

>>51571382
>Can I still get it looking pretty as fuck?
Yus! It's the best for making look super nice. You can even make it pink and purple :3

>>51571610
Get the fuck out, ushifag.

>>51571624
hey

HEY

I'm a ben clone not ushi bro

>>51571630
Either way, get the fuck out. Go back to /g/ zoo. (aka. Desktop Thread)

How I wasted my Saturday evening:
>Download and boot into the main Parabola ISO
>Notice the mirrors being slow
>Cntrl+C; vi /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist
>No mirrors near an ausfag
Damage level: low
>Installation wiki was actually pretty intuitive
>Install a DE, login to it
>pacman -S chromium
>not found
>pacman -Ss chromium
>not found
>pacman -Ss firefox
>not found
>pacman -Ss opera
>suggests icecat
>install ice cat
>cancer
Damage level: medium
>Try and compile base-devel yajl package-query, want yaourt
>fail
Damage level: alarming
>Parabola wiki
>poor documentation
>"b43-fwcutter is a blacklisted package"
Damage level: Fatal
>Fuck back to arch
>regret
What could have I done, /flt/?

Also, fuck antergos

>>51571661
He asked if he could make it look pretty though. Why are you so angry? I keep my rice shit in the desktop thread sperg.

Would Bash scripting be a good introduction to programming ?

>>51571671
>Parabola
Why the fuck would you use FSF-endorsed distros? All of them are shit.

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>>51571687
Just wanted to see how autistic can I get. Apparently, my hardware will not let me

>>51571676
no

>>51571706
Just use Architect.

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>>51571687
>All of them are shit.
Trisquel works well for me. The default desktop is great, and the selection of packages is good. I don't know why you'd have a problem with Parabola. If you're using Arch without proprietary software, you can quite easily have exactly the same desktop with Parabola.

>>51571004
antergos team seems less dedicated, installer is often not working in my virtualbox, though xfce DE did not dissapoint
and it does not provide the delayed updates safety

also check the size of antergos and manjaro community, their forums.

thats why IMO

>>51571720
Why is that

>>51571726
too easy :^)
>>51571731
broadcom wireless chip requires broadcom-wl(-dkms). b43-fwcutter is a dependancy, which is blacklisted by their FSF devs.
Also who the fuck uses Iceweasel/Icecat?

>>51571731
I game, anon. Your free software philosophy bullshit is irrelevant here.

>>51571676
Go with something more universal, like Python. It's relatively easy. Once you can handle that, you can move on to more complex aspects like OOP.

>>51571750
extremely basic

it'd be a great intro to syntax and the idea behind scripting anything at all, but nothing serious

>>51571676
Learn C. It is the lingua franca of programming.

MATE is simle most STABLE gui i have met
And lxde and gnome 3 cinnamon crashed. And. Lag a lot for me
Espesially when viewing hi res pics

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What am I in for /g/?

Planning to install VMWare Workstation and virtualize my servers.

>>51571785
Enjoy your ugly window effects

>>51571785
ye

xfce is gud for stability 2

>>51571789
use centos desu senpai

>>51571754
>which is blacklisted by their FSF devs.
Because it's a proprietary driver, as is the case with most of Broadcom and Intel wireless cards. It's great that you wanted to move to a free distribution, but there's nothing to be done if you're dependent on proprietary software/blobs. Which is why I said "using Arch without proprietary software".

>Also who the fuck uses Iceweasel/Icecat?
Plenty people. I assume Iceweasel is the most popular browser for Debian users. You do know they are both Firefox with branding removed, and in the case of Icecat, an add-on bundled in the default installation. Right? If your problem is that you don't like the icons, you can always replace them yourself.

>>51571806
FUCK OFF, STALLMAN

>>51571803
Any particular reason, family? Don't know much about it.

>>51571770
Alright that makes sense

>>51571815
CentOS is basically RHEL, free version.

>>51571806
RMS senpai, cleanse my laptop with a holy reverse-engineered wireless driver.

>>51571765
If I were Stallman, my advice would have been to buy an Atheros NIC, or a new computer. I'm not forcing anything on anyone - if you want to use proprietary software, you're an adult and that's your choice. I just want to help people who would like to use an endorsed distribution use one, and prevent people like the Broadcom guy from wasting his time trying to get something to work that simply will not work. Sometimes that requires telling people "don't run an endorsed distribution - it wont work for you".

No need to get angry.

>>51571837
I'm not RMS, and I don't think he could do that either. Broadcom in particular seem to dislike releasing free drivers - they even seem to dislike the idea of releasing them as open source, but with binary blobs. They aren't as bad as they used to be. We use Dell Poweredge servers in our racks, and Broadcom have actually worked to get bnx2x support into the Kernel, unlike their older bnx2 NICs.

>>51571860
>>51571897
Where can I get proper information on which laptops to buy next time so that I can go full free?

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I am using Xubuntu and I would like to install KDE.
Will that fuck up my system? Would I be able to remove KDE and all of its packages without any problems if I decide so?
Is it better to reinstall whole system with another DE instead of installing multiple DEs?It's just that I didn't put my home on separate partition from the system so its kind a hassle to back up everything and reinstall all the programs back on new DE...

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>>51571045
>You can always replace Dolphin (why recommend something that pulls every KDE dependencies),

I feel Dolphin has the most features and settings out of the popular DEs file managers (Nautilus/Nemo, Thunar, PCmanFM), Thunar with plugins and some knowledge to customize and use scripts is though extremely competent and maybe even better/lighter, but out of the box dolhpin edged it IMO so I choose it

How does the fact that you pull 50-80MB of KDE dependencies impact you in any way and make it suddenly not worthy to be on the list? How about KDE users? Should guide be set against them and better shit not be mentioned because its KDE?

>and Popcorn Time is dead. Other than that I think it's good.

not entirely dead, but qbittorrent or 90% of other torrent clients allow you to download sequentially and you can play it right away

problem is, what to put in its space instead? Got skype/tox/pidgin lined up as the candidates for its position but that feels like place holder that gives very little value to the infographic similarly to thunderbird there, it should be there of course but it could be mangled amongst some others if there was enough interesting software to compete for space
I feel at least popcorn time informs people about possibility to watch torrents right away, but I will eventually change it I believe, just not sure for what

>P.S.: Why don't you put your recommended list in the wiki?

gentoo wiki already got recommended list, use that it if you like it

>I'm just following what the wiki OP, you can always edit it out

Did OP wiki told you to use that manjaro image? You posted stuff its yours, if you would dissagree with it you would edited the wiki and they would let the changes be, right?

Anyway I am not much of a follower, not when I consider text you are putting there in to OP very poorly done and too much opinionated pushing own favorites, going with too much confusion, too much text and some redundancy.

>>51571977
>Anyway I am not much of a follower, not when I consider text you are putting there in to OP very poorly done and too much opinionated pushing own favorites, going with too much confusion, too much text and some redundancy.

Once again, I didn't made the text. I just follow the /flt/ wiki. I posted the pic just to fill the thread requirement.

>>51571977
>How does the fact that you pull 50-80MB of KDE dependencies impact
>50-80MB

>>51571921
Don't, you'll never get it. The best you can get for FREE is RMS' Thinkpad X60

>>51572044
>m-muh 6GB storage

>>51571921
You'd want to check the manufacturer's page. If you want to go full free all the way down, you could spring for a libreboot bios thinkpad that's 100% free software top to boton.

>>51571967
It won't fuck up your system.
You will probably be able to remove the DE, but if you've installed anything that depends on parts of KDE, it'll leave in what those depend on.
It's a matter of preference. If you're just starting out with your new install and want to change DEs, I'd suggest reinstalling, but otherwise there's no harm in it. Welcome to the bloatnet!

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>>51571921
h-node.org lists laptops and how well they work with free software. The devices listed as A-Platinum are fully compatible. Really, the primary things to look for are an Intel GPU and Atheros Wireless. RMS would probably tell you to buy a glugglug/libiquiti laptop because they have coreboot support. But I find them prohibitively expensive. I'd actually recommend checking the site out to everyone - even if you have no interest in running a free distribution. If a device is rated an A on h-node, it doesn't just mean it works out of the box with Trisquel - it works out of the box everywhere. Which means no fiddling with dkms, or adding extra repositories to Debian.

As for particular hardware, I have a HP Stream 11 - a great little travel laptop. They ship with a broadcom wireless NIC, but you can replace it with any MiniPCI card in a few minutes.

>>51570875
Not specifically linux but can someone tell me why cygwin keeps telling me 'You are not the owner of /tmp/uscreens/S-USERNAME' when I try to use screen. Tried reinstalling screen, didn't work.

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>>51571967
>I am using Xubuntu and I would like to install KDE.

>>51572055
You will if your manufacturer is a good one.
[spoiler]You won't unless you get a thinkpad.[/spoiler]

>>51572094
probably because you are not the owner of /tmp/uscreens/S-USERNAME

http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-to-use-chmod-and-chown-command/

>>51572083
>h-node.org
Thanks anon

>>51572113
I am though. It's perms 700 and I'm the owner. Tried resetting the owner to check but it didn't change anything.

>>51572069
Bloat? You mean some necessary programs that come with KDE? Can't I just uninstall what I don't need?
>>51572096
why the hate? :(

>>51572130
*unnecessary , sorry

>>51572130
It's something of a joke. KDE is very "full featured" which means that it is by no possible measure a lightweight DE. A lot of people thus say that it's bloated because of that.

>>51572130
Sorry, anon. My bad, Here's what you can do:
$ sudo apt-get install kde-desktop-full
$ sudo apt-get remove xubuntu-desktop --purge
And if something breaks, install ubuntu minimal and install a desktop environment and a display manager on top of it
>I am using Xubuntu and I would like to install KDE.
still keking btw

>>51572180
sorry, $sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop

>>51572180
>Purge xfce
But why?
Why not have both?

>>51572180
Thanks, will that install the latest KDE? Also I do not intend to abandon xfce.It is the fastest and most stable thing I've encountered.Its just that I can't unsee some shitty bugs in xfce and on top of that I have this fucking laptop with nvidia optimus shit tech. I also asked how to solve these shitty bugs for past week but I didn't get any answers so I figured I try the fanciest DE.

>>51572189
Why $sudo and not $ sudo?

>>51571777
Sadly, no, it isn't

>>51572210
>RUNNING XFCE AND KDE AT THE SAME TIME
OH MY GOD L M A O
>>51572226
xfce is not the fastest DE. Furthermore it probably won't be as fast after you install KDE
>>51572228
whitespace will not matter; install kubuntu-desktop instead of kde-desktop-full

>>51572246
How does KDE slows down xfce? Aren't they kind a separated?When one is working other is not.

>>51572257
KDE services uses memory on the background, same as xfce.

>>51572263
And they are running even if you log to xfce from display manager?

>>51572285
Interesting
I would like to see the usage difference when someone opens up kate in an xfce session

>>51572019
And who told you gentoo wiki should be your go-to thing?

>>51572298
memes, obviously. Who else would say the installgentoo wiki is worth giving a shit?

>>51572297
Its kind a bad and lame for DEs to see each other's software because you get all those double players,editors,image viewers...

>>51572094
>>51572124
Help.

>>51572314
And your DE becomes more resource hungry because of casual choice of softwares, which >>51572210 suggested

>>51572246
Do you not understand the concept of DEs?

>OH MY GOD L M A O
why are you even posting here pretending you know what you're talking about

KDE doesnt run off XFCE, they're both independant DEs that will run one or the other, using x11 as the frame work assuming you start it with any login manager worth its salt, or xorg-xinit

literally the only effect is running KDE specific software while in XFCE, and that's just because it has to run off QT which is a trashy framework. You could easily install alternatives to use with XFCE and all youre going to notice is physical space problems.

>>51572354
This.
Only difference is that you use more space (duh) since you installed additional stuff(doubleduh).

>>51572354
>>RUNNING XFCE AND KDE AT THE SAME TIME
>Do you not understand the concept of DEs?
>You could easily install alternatives to use with XFCE and all youre going to notice is physical space problems.

>>51572385
what do you mean "at the same time"? That is not possible f@m.

>>51572385
Are you going to make an argument or just sit there greentexting and thinking you're cool. You're an idiot. The closest you can get to "at the same time" is KDEs software running while you're on XFCE, again which you can easily disable while you're not running KDE and switch flawlessly between either DE.

>>51572394
It isn't, I should've said installed, which could avoided people getting confused like:
>>51572409

>>51572436
prevent*

I'm on mint. I downloaded an application and installed it. now it in my /home/thatappfolder/
The executable is in /home/thatappfolder/bin/. How do I make it so there's a shortcut to that in menu→applications, like it usually is after installing applications using software center?

I have Windows 7, and in order to work on my programming classes at uni I have to install linux, as part of a dual boot. My professor recommends Kubuntu, but it seems like Mint would be a bit more lightweight. Day-to-day usability is not an issue for me: I'll be using Linux to write Python, and not to surf the web, write documents, game or anything like that - not yet, anyway.

What should I take into consideration when choosing between Mint and Kubuntu?

>>51571453
>There is no alternative to windows file sharing
There are alternatives and even then, samba does exist for the win-keks who like their windows shit.

>>51572557
I should note my experience with Linux so far is the command line only Scientific Linux we had on our supercomputer at my previous uni, and now RHEL on the machines where I am now.

>>51572458
Using Cinnamon? https://askubuntu.com/questions/232053/how-to-add-a-shortcut-to-a-command-to-the-cinnamon-menu
>>51572557
mint with KDE.

I have a raspberry pi and a wifi dongle. The wifi dongle seems to always overdraw power and cause the pi to die.

Is there a way for me to "underclock"/reduce the power consumption on the dongle? I can't use an external power source as I'm trying to make a ghetto tablet proof of concept

>>51572633
Install tlp and enable WiFi power saving mode for both mains and battery power.

>>51572606
Mint doesnt ship plasma KDE , they are still on the old fugly one

>>51572655
this looks promising, thank you

>>51572606
>mint with KDE.
Why, though?

It's the reasons behind a choice that I'm interested in, more than the choice itself.

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Obligatory

Should I keep using systemd or not? Why is it bad?

>>51572707
see
>>51570919
>>51571028
>>51571065
>>51571082
>>51571230
>>51571331
>>51571456
>>51571671
>>51571736
too late, faggot

Unable to locate package kde-plasma-desktop

What do? I wanted minimalist version of KDE like they told here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE

>>51572731
stfu manjaro shill

>>51572707

>>51572731
B T F O
T
F
O

What a glorious thread, thank you OP.

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>>51570960
>boot up manjaro live cd
>doesn't detect my existing windows
>no option to install alongside windows
>manual partition russian roulette

Into the trash it goes

>>51572723
shitty b8

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Why not

>>51572732
>minimal KDE
haha

locate the name of the correct package then. Use your package manager to search instead of install.

>>51572732
g-guys? Abantu lied to me , how do I install it?

>>51571967
>I am using the only usable DE on Linux
>Can I ruin my life and install raw hot pile of shit called KDE?

>>51572998
>minimal KDE
>haha
yea i know...

Its not in there. I thought correct package is kde-plasma-desktop. Do I need to add some ppa?

>>51573013
you are not helping ,your opinion isn't worth shit

>>51573003
looks like there's tons of plasma stuff
http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=plasma&searchon=names&suite=wily&section=all

>>51573018
kubuntu-desktop
plasma-desktop

Again, use your search function.

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>>51573037
KDE is the worst DE among all. Takes 120-150 seconds to boot and load the desktop. Plasma 5 is so prone to glitches, it dies on you if you look at it funny. The DE is so insecure about my intentions, it breaks down into tears and starts asking me about what I have done for it lately and then proceeds to lock me out of my own account so I have to sleep on the CLI couch for the night and wait till my Windows installation is prepared to replace it.

>manjaro
>being creative in logo
pick one
https://forum.manjaro.org/index.php?topic=21.0

>>51573065
Thanks. Do you perhaps know what is the difference between those two? plasma-desktop comes with less software?

>>51573106
Kubuntu is KDE Plasma desktop + Ubuntu core.

Plasma 5 is the new "hip" name given to their failed abortion. Use XFCE + Compton/Compiz compositor and you will thank me later. It is the best thing available on Leenucks.

>>51573106
Click on 'wily' under the package name and it tells you all about the packages, see what the differences are:
http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=plasma&searchon=names&suite=wily&section=all

>>51573080
Did KDE rape your dog or something?

>>51573100
https://a.pomf.cat/pavgtc.webm

lmao

>>51573348
That's already been posted son

>>51573381
oh sorry, just saw that lol

>>51573348
>using deluge for torrents
disgusting.

>>51573393
Name one problem.

>>51573402
manjaro tier

>>51573133
Does Xubuntu already has Compton/Compiz?

>>51573414
I said name a problem with deluge, guy, not meme.

>>51573424
My name is not Guy.

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I have a Windows 8.1 VM in virt-manager using QEMU/KVM. My host is Fedora 23.

I want the VM to be able to access my home network, specifically my fileserver. What do I need to do? What are some good guides on networking?

>>51574319
Virtual switch? Give your VM another network adapter and share your home network to it?

Hey guys I'm looking for a way to create a seamless good looking bootup. Any way how to do it with plymouth,grub2 and lightdm? I found a pretty good grub2 theme(vimix) but thats it. Basically I just want one smooth animation.

If I set up my own DNS server, should I redirect all my browsers through it? Should I set it up in a docker container or a chroot?

I mainly want to use dnssec/dnscrypt

>>51574934
wouldn't you set it in your network config rather than the browsers?

>>51575004
I don't think he knows what DNS is

Hi guys, I'm the noob from >>51568418

Right now i'm installing debian testing on a VM bc I'm a faggot. I'll try to install Steam and if it goes well I'll do it in my laptop.

Why should I use Linux if I want to play games on my PC

>>51575291
wtf sources did you add?

>>51575337
I don't think that's a reason to use linux, or really any OS imo.

>>51575338

>>51563150

>>51575337
Play on a console, problem solved

>>51575363
It's a reason to use Windows
>>51575393
PC is much better though

>>51575387
idk what all it would have uninstalled, or why, probably better to restart from scratch since it was only a VM anyway.
https://wiki.debian.org/Steam
Seems like they should have steam in their repos, so you can add from apt-get, then steam will probably want to update.

>have a vm
>try to copy it to a bigger container
>dd if=/dev/sdaX of=/dev/sdbX where sdaX are old partitions and sdbX are new, bigger partitions
>try to boot from second container
>error: no bootable medium found
Did I forget about something? How do I make it work?

So I installed i3 on Ubuntu, but I'm on a 4k monitor and all of my fonts and windows look way way too small. Any suggestions for fixing this? Chrome I think I fixed by passing a command line argument to force display scaling, and the i3 config file has a font for window titles, but I wanted to fix this on a global level so I didn't have to fuck with config files for every program I install.

>>51575886
Neither i3 or gtk2 or gtk3 support scaling by itself.
If you have a 4k monitor, gnome3, unity (and probably kde i don't know) are your only options.

But if you're desperate for i3, just change fontsize in i3, terminal and gtk2/3 settings and it should be okay

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>>51575414
the installation that got killed was on my laptop, not a VM. Still going to re-install tho.

I finished the Debian Testing VM install, and now when I type "aptitude install steam" it tells me "package steam not found"

sources.list looks like pic realted.

What am I doing wrong?

>>51575337
you shouldnt

whoever told you you should, was incorrect

>>51576083
Why the fuck would you use jessie non-free repo?

>>51576239
because I don't know what to use. Do you? I'm a bit confused.

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Fedora 23 has gtk2 filepicker iconview patch included right out of the box.
How does it make you feel /flt/?

>>51576257
Change the jessie into stretch, and do
"apt update"

Then try to install Steam again.

>>51576282
Absolutely no different than I did before I read your comment.

>>51576282
RPM is shit.

>>51576282
Good job firefox will be moving to gtk3 in the next version then.

>>51576282
i feel completly the same desu

>>51576426
Literally the best package manager on the market.

>>51576446
Just use the gtk2 version 2bh

What's the best hardware to run with GNU/Linux. I was thinking of getting a Thinkpad

>>51576464
>implying there will be a gtk2 version

How can I edit an initramfs image? I have been trying to but with issues.

>steps
>decompress image
lsinitcpio -x initramfs.img
>Do edits
<tinker tinker tinker>
>Recompress
???

help appreciated

>>51576515
Why do people do this?

>I'm getting errors
>it just doesn't work
>it's saying something about...
>I have issues

>>51576403
Working. It asked me to update udev bc it was needed, I said yes.

Let's see what happens. Thank you.

My sound randomly stopped working today, I am running Bunsenlabs on my x200t. I reinstalled alsa and pulse-audio but no changes. What should I do ?

>>51576573
>>51576544

>>51576573
Let me guess, it stopped working when you Firefox?

>>51576544
Because it is fun.

In either case to further elaborate (if you can help), the issues that I am reffering to are mostly kernel panics.

I basically just would like to hear if anyone has a means of creating initramfs. What I have is a directory that is the result of decompressing an initramfs. I tinker slightly, but I am unsure of how to recompress it.

Any advice?

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What's best free AutoCAD alternative for Linux?

Pacman is the best package manager. Simple and elegant.

pacman -Syu is better than both dnf update - dnf upgrade and apt update - apt upgrade.

>>51576628
ok thanks cool story

>>51576628
Por quois?

>>51576607
I am sorry Raj, could you repeat that?

>>51576674
क्या? मैं कुछ भी नहीं कहा। और मेरा नाम संदीप है, न राज है।

>>51576628
Don't you have some xorg.conf to fix?

>>51576723
Real men don't use GUI. They're for babies and feminists.

>>51576723
>xorg.conf
wtf? Nobody uses that anymore.

>>51576697
By any chance, are you from Madhya Pradesh?

>>51576770
How would I know when I'm not using arch thus never being forced to even look at x's conf files?

>>51576788
I've heard he's in Ur Momesh

>>51576697
Alright Sandeep, take a chai and calm down.

I'm confused, so let's say I want to install openbox, why does it give me errors when I unistall LXDE? Isn't Openbox independent of it, or do I need something like Gnome, LXDE, XFCE, etc. installed?

I tried doing the same with i3, and same result.

>>51576836
>Why does it give me errors?
What errors?

Looking for gparted (or similar free software) for windows, any recommendations? closest thing i got so far is 'gpt fdisk'.

>I get errors, what could it possibly mean

Are sites like twitch.tv, and hulu supposed to lag on FF using a thinkpad x301?

I've tried reducing the resources by installed everything minimal (amazing+xfce) and it still lags a bunch.

>>51576857
gparted live cd

>>51576875
Use livestreamer.

>>51576847
For instance, when I uninstall openbox LXDE in Lubuntu stops working and stays static, and shortcuts wouldn't work.
With openbox, it wouldn't open anything, same with i3.

>>51576896
It didn't give you any logs or something?

>>51576628
ye

aptitude is trashy

>>51576926
No, it just freezes at login. I have to force restart.

If I have my emacs window split into two buffers, is there a default command to swap the cursor between them?

>>51576836
LXDE uses Openbox IIRC.

>>51576896
Im fairly sure LDXE is dependant on openbox because it uses it as a WM. If you are switching between DEs/WMs, I strongly suggest getting rid of your display manager and using xorg-xinit instead, use the xinitrc file arch wiki provides and boot your stuff with "startx ~/.xinitrc Openbox". For ease of use you can set an alias startx ~/.xinitrc to something like SX, and use the defaults so it's as simple as typing SX or SX openbox

>>51576954
Use vim.

>>51576954
C-x o

>>51576628
>dnf update - dnf upgrade
They both do the same thing, unlike apt
5/10 you tried

Does anyone know if you can get system activity from kde4 onto plasma5?

I couldn't figure out how to get the font rendering like in Windows so followed your advice and went back to Windows.

My computer just works now, thanks.

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>>51577010

>>51577010
For future reference, you install the chrome ttf fonts package and lxappearance, set lxappearance to use Open Sans (install that too), and use this in /etc/fonts/local.conf

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Croscore_Fonts

simple stuff, cmon now anon

>>51577056
>not using infinality
>m-muh placebo
>m-muh not updating
no anon, infinality is regularly updated.

-bohoomil

So how do I know when I'm ready to move on to a more complex distro? I've been using Mint for 3 months now, I can install things through the terminal and take screenshots.

>>51577082
Why use infinality when you can just do that though. Like it's a giant, slightly buggy replacement that gives you little option and is completely deprecated by the normal fontconfig.

Like, why install a giant fucking package to acheive the same effect as copy pasting a few text files? You're still going to need those fonts if you want windows like rendering either way lol

>>51577010
>font rendering like in Windows
But Windows has the ugliest font rendering on the market, so what the fuck are you on about?

Font rendering quality goes like
Ubuntu's font rendering > OS X font rendering > Linux with infinality and all those dumbass tweaks > stock Linux font rendering > Windows cleartype > windows w/o cleartype

>>51577056
>no hintstyle
>no antialiasing

>>51577094
>more complex distro
And what's that?

>>51577103
The font rendering in Windows looks so crisp and clean, when I ran Ubuntu everything looked blurry.

>yfw love debian
>yfw can't install it because theres no non-free firmware disk

>>51577133
Better get your eyes checked m80

>>51577105
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Font_configuration#Anti-aliasing


>>51577094
When you feel limited by your current install and you think a different distro would fix that.

>>51577133
Font rendering in windows is disgusting.

>>51577146
No anon, previous link.

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>>51577133
>crisp and clean
You meant, disgusting?

>>51577187
lmao

>>51577135
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/

>>51577202
xD

>>51577208
why are you shitposting

do you actually think that looks good

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Newcomer here.
I want to dual boot Windows 10 and either Ubuntu or Debian, but set it up so that it boots directly into 10 unless I mash F12 or whatever during powerup and specifically choose Linux. (Only PC in the house, multiple users and all of them are tech-illiterate, so no messing with boot choices or grub for them, please).

Also running UEFI instead of BIOS, heard that makes things more difficult. How can I achieve this?

>>51577235
the grub loader doesnt work with windows 8.1 or 10

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>>51577187

>>51577263
That font annoys me, dejavu sans master race

>>51577255
Oh, is that so? I had a short experience with it back when I was using 7. But you got the gist of what I gotta do, right? Can't let them accidentally boot into Linux.

>>51577235
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z2O1PUuRGE

Is richard stallman a Mexican?

>>51577235
Debian 8 has uefi suport, windows has this secure boot thing so it will boot windows every time and ignore everything else unless you press f12 just like you said

>>51577263
What? That looks clean and beautiful compared to your "crisp and clean" piece of shit.

>>51577312
So I can simply make an unallocated partition, install Jessie or Stretch and it just works™?

>>51577082
No, infinality is maintained, meaning it is kept from being broken by updates. Fontconfig-ultimate is regularly updated, this isn't the same thing as infinality.

The default rendering in linux is very good now, mainly because the majority of fixes infinality made were merged upstream. A set of good fonts with a sensible config is all that's needed.

>>51576545
>>51575291
Installed! Thanks. Also, I fixed flash player issue. Now all I need is to be able to see/edit a folder in my windows desktop from my debian laptop. I'd appreciate help there.

Now I'm off to install debian testing on my laptop.

Cheers

>>51577422
>Also, I fixed flash player issue
You mean you uninstalled it?

Hey all, I just installed Ubuntu 14.04 64bit on my somewhat older machine and am noticing that it's a tad bit laggy. Is this normal?

Specs are:
Core2duo 6600 @2.4
6gb ram
GeForce GT 720 (I'm running dual monitors, one in DVI the other VGA as its an older CRT monitor -- could this be my issue? Would installing new/different drivers help?)
I'm not sure what other specs to post

Is it because of it being 64 bit? I'd like to switch back to linux as my main OS since I started having problems w/ windows 7. My processor is "supposedly" compatible with 64bit operating systems, but I'm noticing lag with simple tasks such as web-browsing freezing up.

Any recommendations as to what I should do? I'm not against installing another distro, seeing as how I just installed this one last night.

Also, this might be unrelated/come off as stupid - but what's the difference between Nvidia's linux drivers and these 'nouveau' nvidia drivers?

Thanks :)

>>51577422
How did you fix the flash player issue?

>>51577493
Don't think it's the processor, I have exactly the same one and I can run any DE smoothly with it. I'm guessing graphics drivers but I don't know much about that area of things.

Has anyone tried running fallout 4 in linux?
I was wondering if it could run on my Ubuntu partition, since I use it for everything but adobe products/games.

>>51577554
Not a thing. DirectX is horrid on Linux, you're far better running OpenGL unless you're using a game that dates pre 2010 hardware/directX requirements. OpenGL is trash, so yeah not happening.

>>51577360
Yes, just remember one thing in the installation, when configuring partitions, select the fat 32 partition created by windows and configure it as "boot"

>>51577124
>more complex distro?
I'm with you, wtf does this mean?

>>51577360
The rest will be left to your bios or uefi configuration

>>51577623
>OpenGL is trash
OpenGL and Direct3D pretty much do the same thing anyway.

>>51577639
You mean the default windows boot partition? What if I'm installing it on a different drive? Windows is on a SSD, and space there is at a premium. I'm gonna install Stretch on a partition in a separate hard drive that's currently being used as a SteamLibrary and video game install drive.

>>51577668
Read above

>>51577554
Linux only works well with ATI anon, if you have NVIDIA don't even bother playing shit like league of legends.

>>51577235
Why don't Stallman just lose weight?

I would like to set scroll lock to write the console character `

how?

>>51577533
kk, I'll look into drivers a bit more when I finish up my homework. If not, I might either roll back to an older ubuntu version or just try my hand at an arch build or something (might make things worse though haha)

>>51577682
Except OpenGL is relatively deprecated and not nearly up to modern DirectX standards. Seriously, attempt to play any DirectX 10+ game substituted with OpenGL. WoW won't even let you turn up shaders or use the decent anti aliasing options because of it. Not to mention the consistent drops to 30 FPS no matter your hardware.

>>51577718
>I might either roll back to an older ubuntu version
No, don't do that. If you have the time and patience for arch then it's worth it. Go forward if anything.

>>51577719
Developers not using library A properly doesn't make library A any worse than library B that developers prefer to use.
Most games are just not made to run with OpenGL at all, that doesn't say anything about OpenGL being good or bad. It just says something about its popularity.

>>51577719
It's clear that linux is not as good as something like windows that is optimized almost daily for games, proven after the failure that steamOS is.

>>51577719
So you can't run league of linux? FUCK

>>51573424
It's not a he, it's a fucking tranny faggot you were talking to

>>51577786
I can see your point there, but honestly because of its low popularity it hasn't been kept up to scratch with DirectX. Overall it benchmarks and performs signifcantly lower and has for years.

>>51577892
Anything modern yep, games are not good for Linux. Personally I might jump into some super meat boy occasionally but otherwise I don't bother; I've got a windows partition for that.

>>51577925
You probably can, but the performance drops are going to be very bad. I'm not saying you flat out cant run anything, but not at an acceptable framerate and display settings for modern play, what's the point in having hardware capable of pushing 60 FPS an full graphics but sitting locked to 25-40 due to poor OpenGL optimization holding you back?

>>51577925
Why wouldn't you be able to?

I use my desktop computer, which runs Gentoo, as my wireless access point, and right now its wireless NIC is kind of old and shitty. I want a card that can do 600 Mbps @ 2.4Ghz + 1300 Mbps @ 5Ghz. So far all of the cards that I can find that can do that use the Broadcom BCM4360 chip, which isn't supported by any open source drivers.

What's the best wireless NIC with good Linux support?

>>51576282
>dnf copr enable jkisielewicz/gtk2-filepicker-iconview

>dnf repo-pkgs jkisielewicz-gtk2-filepicker-iconview install glib2 gtk2

Tried to apply iconview patch, but for some reason it didn't work and still using the same filepicker...

>>51577959
What are you talking about? What can Direct3D do what OpenGL can't?
Except that more software on desktops is written to run with it where is its advantage?

Has Richard Stallman reacted to SteamOS yet?

>>51578045
reacted? Why would he need to? If it's free it's fine, if it's not free it's not fine.

>>51578040
OpenGL is highly deprecated in many of its methods. Like I said, it hasn't been updated to be on par for years. Open up, for example, WoW, with its config files set to run OpenGL instead of d3dx9 from wine. Instantly it drops you down to medium graphics, and does not allow you to turn shaders up to full as openGL doesn't support it. And that's World of Warcraft, a game barely holding on since 2004.

>>51578045
http://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.en.html

>SteamOS, a version of GNU/Linux to be distributed by Valve. It contains proprietary software, including the Steam client and proprietary drivers. Steam uses Digital Restrictions Management (DRM) to impose restrictions on the software it distributes, as well as on the proprietary software it promotes via the Steam store.

>>51578035
Oh someone actually uses my copr.
Give me a minute, i'm trying to fix it. Something's borked and doesn't work for me either.

>>51578045
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/nonfree-games.en.html

>>51578045
I'm still waiting for Richard to respond to my e-mail asking about his thoughts on Arch linux, I hope /g/ didn't scare him away.

>>51577775
This might be another stupid question, but before I bite the bullet on arch - I know that Ubuntu has *some* steam support, is that possible on arch? I don't really play high end games by any means, but it would be nice to have an option like that available. If not, no worries, I can always boot back to windows :)

>>51578187
It's not free and therefore thinks it is harmful. Why would you bother him with such a retarded and obvious question?

>>51578194
https://www.archlinux.org/packages/multilib/x86_64/steam/

>>51578086
Unless you get an example that actually was written for OpenGL and not one of your stupid games running through wines Direct3d -> OpenGL pipeline you are comparing apples and oranges.

It should be obvious that something running natively is faster than something running though a pipeline. Get a native OpenGL program if you want any sort of comparison. And that could still have different optimization issues.

Also, OpenGLs latest version is from August last year

>>51578234
>modern game written for OpenGL
lol, point proven then

>>51578268
Yes, that it's not popular. We already had that point

>>51578187
>>51578207
He'll recommend Parabola.

>>51578234
>>51578304
Also, that isn't running through wine's pipeline. WoW runs straight off of OpenGL, you can set the options in the configuration files. Shaders unsupported, SSAO unsupported, antialiasing above MSAA x2 unsupported, shadows above medium unsupported due to OpenGL limitations.

>>51578194
I don't use Arch myself (it's by no means "the ultimate" so other distros might suit you more) but I don't see why not, it's all the same underneath, with the exception of version numbers.

>>51578225
whoopee :) I'm gonna try doing an arch build now, so I might be back here if I fuck everything up haha.

>>51578313
Parabola was a mistake

>>51576613
You shouldn't manually fuck with an initramfs image>>51576790
You haven't had to touch X11 configuration files on arch in years unless you have very special cases.

>>51578365
>not funtoo/gentoo

If I install ubuntu on a thinkpad will it just werk? I would think yes but I want to be sure.

>>51578347
Then it's Wow being incompetent.

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>>51578116
No problem senpai, give it a time.

>>51578347
dunno about SSAO, but opengl can absolutely do the others

the shaders i can understand, i guess they only bothered making HLSL shaders (and not GLSL shaders)

those aren't opengl limitations, they're limitations of the games' support of opengl

ps. there's a native implementation of direct3D9 in linux now, give that a try

>>51578394
No. It isn't up to standard with d3d shader models. You really don't need to shill so hard. There's not a single modern game worth its salt that runs just as well on OpenGL as d3d, not due to the games optimization for OpenGl per se, due to the fact that optimizing correctly for OpenGL is near impossible. It's old, deprecated trash from 2009.

>>51578476
>You really don't need to shill so hard
Says the MS-shill

>>51578418
Aight works mint now.

If there's a problem first run

dnf clean all

If you already have the copr repo enabled run

dnf repo-pkgs jkisielewicz-gtk2-filepicker-iconview install glib2 gtk2

And if that somehow doesn't work try the same specify the architecture so

dnf repo-pkgs jkisielewicz-gtk2-filepicker-iconview install glib2.x86_64 gtk2.x86_64

>>51578518
I'm a full time arch linux user, and I have been for months. I keep my windows dual boot partition around literally just to boot and play WoW, which I unsubbed from months ago anyway.

OpenGL is objectively worse than directX and will be, if not already is, entirely deprecated by the gaming industries standards over the next few years if it doesn't pull something crazy. Like I said, SSAO and MSAA not supported, shaders not nearly up to par, poor Nvidia optimization, any 2012+ game that runs straight off OpenGL will force restrict particle density to keep your game from shitting itself. Projected textures run horribly.

There is no argument, OpenGL is objectively worse.

>>51571453
thanx for this. i was about to install ubuntu.

>>51578389
>funtoo
:0 i want to have fun

>>51578593
>SSAO
http://www.learnopengl.com/#!Advanced-Lighting/SSAO

>MSAA
https://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/showthread.php/178642-MSAA-in-OpenGL-4-0

>shaders not nearly up to par
Shaders aren't written in OpenGL to begin with. And no, GLSL and HLSL shaders don't really differ in what they can do or not.

>poor Nvidia optimization
Damn them

>any 2012+ game that runs straight off OpenGL will force restrict particle density to keep your game from shitting itself. Projected textures run horribly.
I'm too lazy to check if this is true


Again, if your stupid games don't implement something for OpenGL does not mean that OpenGL can't do it, it just means that your game can't do it with OpenGL. It's not the same thing.

You nerds who cares if you can't play 60fps in WoW, you can barely notice it in Arena.

>>51578539
So far I got this error message.

 Total download size: 5.7 M
Is this ok [y/N]: y
Downloading Packages:
(1/2): glib2-2.46.2-1.fc23.x86_64.rpm           730 kB/s | 2.3 MB     00:03    
(2/2): gtk2-2.24.28-2.fc23.x86_64.rpm           332 kB/s | 3.4 MB     00:10    
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total                                           553 kB/s | 5.7 MB     00:10     
Running transaction check
Transaction check succeeded.
Running transaction test
The downloaded packages were saved in cache till the next successful transaction.
You can remove cached packages by executing 'dnf clean packages'.
Error: Transaction check error:
  file /usr/share/man/man1/gtk-query-immodules-2.0.1.gz from install of gtk2-2.24.28-2.fc23.x86_64 conflicts with file from package gtk2-2.24.28-2.fc23.i686

Error Summary
-------------

[root@localhost nikulas]#  

>>51578820
Do you use a 32 bit version of Fedora?
It seems like you do.

>>51578820
>x86_64 conflicts with i686
What are you exactly trying to do?
Install 64bit software on 32bit OS?

>>51578820
>>51578842
And if you do have 32 bit version of fedora than it should go

dnf repo-pkgs jkisielewicz-gtk2-filepicker-iconview install glib2.i686 gtk2.i686

instead

new thread >>51578939
>>51578939
>>51578939

>>51577000
it is called ksysguard
I don't know how it gets added to krunner though.

I want some shit that's easy to install and don't care what it looks like. I'm not new to linux but haven't used it in a while so I can handle some fucked up shit but would prefer not to. Fuck kde and fuck the new gnome.