>tfw i looked better before i started using gear :/

Because of baldness?

>>42845946
just overall better aesthetics imo

>>42845940
IF this is real you look absolutely massive dude gud work

>>42845952
What the fuck happened to your room.

>>42845940
whatever it takes dude

>>42845960
neither of those pictures are my room, the first one is a hotel and the second is the storage area of a gym

>>42845957
200lbs on the left, 240 on the right

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>>42845940
more like
>gear
>more hear and another year of training.

God I h8 fake nattys with the fire of a 1000 suns

>>42845940
Sweet left nosewing facelet.

>>42845980
>fake natty
what? i said i'm on gear in the op

>>42845985
>left nosewing facelet.
i have no idea what that means

What happened to make you think while looking at the first picture "yeah! I need to get bigger!"?

>>42845995
what's your stats and cycle?

What are your lifts ?

>>42845997
i compete in bodybuilding and everyone said i have good shape but not enough mass

I don't believe you aren't on gear in first one. Second one looks like you have anadrol bloat and weren't using your nizoral on your chest and so caught some bad acne. depending how long you've been on, either cycle off (remember anti-estrogens and HCG) and then get back on something like primo/deca/test if you want to stay more cut and no acne.

I can tell from the bloat, it's either anadrol or high doses of d-bol.

>>42846009
wouldn't you get in trouble with your sponsors and the federation you compete in then if you post your face here admitting you're on gear? I don't get it.

>>42845940
>already gyno and balding babyface in before pic

>>42845940
Dat acne. Geez nigger did you not take AI or something. Get some accutane

>>42845940
Are you sure the first pic is before gear?

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>>42845995
You are on gear in the before pic as well

also, your abs will come back if you start with something like clen and do your 45 mins of cardio before first meal. For the record, I'm an old school fag (35, started gear at 17) and I hate all the new designer shit.

Arnold, ferrigno, columbo, all the true greats built amazing physiques with 1980s gear. I hate all the new "designer" shit, it just looks unnatural and causes too much bloat.

>>42845995
He's implying you were on gear in both pics.

>>42846005
i do bodybuilder shit, not the regular squat/bench/dl stuff most guys do. i use machines for 80% of my workouts. i did deadlift 315 for like 25 reps one time just to see how many i could do

if bodyfat and skin was as good as in the left pic you would look better

>>42845940
you look alot more handsome and healthy in the first pic.
What cycle were you on in the before pic?

>>42846069
>i do bodybuilder shit
Now i'm 90% sure you are larping. make that 95% sure. "I just do all the regular body builder things..."

"How do you do, fellow bodybuilders?"

>>42845940
Mirin those socks bro

Well, you've got to show us a pic in which you were natty for us to see that.

>>42845940
Jesus christ your skin went to shit dude

>>42846084
kek, this

>>42846084
meaning i chase a pump, not go after numbers. what do you want me to say? detail every single lift i do for a back day or something?

>>42845940
but you're on gear in both pictures

save and retort these threads folks

>>42846102
>detail every single lift i do
...Yes.

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>>42845980
>that pic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4AmSVb6Hew

>>42845940
cool, now show us how small your cock is.

>>42846102
>detail every single lift i do
that's how most of us do it, yes. Also, tell us about supersets, dropsets, when you run the rack, how often you go to exhaustion, if you believe in training opposing groups on same day. Sure, tell us your routine and the "Regular bodybuilder things" you do.

>>42845940
>left pic
>not on gear
you mean you looked better before you overdid it with the juice. stop trying to fake natty on an anonymous cartoon porn imageboard

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>>42846119
single leg hamstring curl
db row
kroc row
weighted chins
smithmachine rdl's
etc

>>42845940
""""Before I started using gear"""""

>>42845940
Not really, the only reason you look worse in the 2nd pic is you have higher fat %. Just cut and you will look better than before.

>>42845940
You are on gear on both pics. How stupid do you think we are?

>>42845980
Damn, that's a smart Negro. Rare.

>>42846160
>single leg hamstring curl
why would you hamstring on a back day? also, "single leg" is great fucking way to tear the shit out of that muscle. I don't know what your deal is man. IF you are for real, you should get a copy of arnold's "encyclopedia of modern bodybuilding" and learn how to do your sets properly. Your not..even by your tricep, I can tell you don't train it correctly, because the third head isn't anywhere near as prominent as other two.

Also, squats and deadlifts (i.e., havign a strong core) is the building block of any championship physique. Not my opinion, this is something all the greats agree on. should also start hammer curls asap to bring out the brachialis.

>>42846009
Yeah but you have to realize that what looks good to bodybuilders and bodybuilding judges is not the same as what looks aesthetic to the average person. For sure more everyday people think left is better. People like you have to be okay with the fact that going all in on roid mass accuisition just makes you undesirable to many. It might make you more desirable to others that do the same thing as you, but it will have the oppoiste effect on most of the population.

Either way just do what you want. If you don't care about what the majority of people think about your phyisique then do what makes you happy.

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>>42845940
Looks like roiding got you evicted from your apartment

>>42846245
>deadlifts on back day anyway
>but it's the 4 sets of hamstring curls that'll overtrain em before leg day

>>42846245
>arnold
>credible

Arnold in his prime gets dwarfed by dudes who are 5'10" in 2017.

>>42846245
>arnold's "encyclopedia of modern bodybuilding"
If anyone disagrees with me on this, for all the useless shit out there, is only product you really need. Everything I learned in the beginning (I eventually learned more in Venice beach and then the World in san diego, the one right on beach with the massive windows in the old warehouse where they open the doors every day).

The best info you will get on the basics of a building a set and a routine are in that book. The rest--if you are serious-- you (used to at least) be able to learn in venice beach and san diego from the serious guys if they sw you were young and serious about it.

>>42845940
Roids made your face puffy and ugly, and gave you pizza skin.

>>42846259
>deadlifts on back day anyway
So long as they aren't stiff legged deadlifts, they have little to do with legs friends.

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>>42846245
i know lots of bbers preach squats and dls but honestly i know tons of guys with massive backs that only used machines to build them up

>>42846274
because those dudes are on modern drugs and are simply puff up every muscle with absolutely 0 regard for ratios and aesthetics. modern bodybuilders look like complete shit imo.

>>42846303
>that baby ass
i bet he doesn't even get the sloots

>>42845940
You have body acne
Not gonna lie though you fucking big
Height?

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>>42846220

>>42846303
Get a tan, you looked better in before pic only for 2 reasons:
1. Lower bodyfat %
2. Had a slight tan which prevented your skin from looking reddish like it looks now

>>42846303
Look at these tiny calves kek

>>42846274
>Arnold in his prime gets dwarfed
You don't understand it. I'm fuckng 5'8 and I WEIGHT MORE than he did in his prime and have a 28 inch waist. But he had symmetry, bicepy peaks and this was before the days of "designer" roids and drol and parabolan and insulin spikes and all the other shit. I'd much rather have arnold's height and his symmetry than my height and size.

>>42846321
You new here? All of 4chan is Nationalist territory.
And that Negro in the picture seems actually very up to date on what is happening, first time I've ever seen one that understands what's going on.

Lighting, water retention, bodyweight fluctuations. You're alright, dude, don't panic over it. Gear isn't magic.

Do some post-cycle though. That acne.

>>42846245
another 160lbs lifting expert teaching OP how to properly get gains lol

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>>42846317
6'

>>42846291
And yet, they are RDLs. Conventional deadlifts are a sick hamstring/glute builder, they may not have the longest ROM but they're a big heavy movement and really create serious overload. Of course you can create the same overload with volume and spare yourself extra fatigue, but to say they have little to do with legs is just silly.

>>42846321
>he's so insecure that whenever he looks at/hears a black guy he reeeee's
ahahaha, gotta love it

>>42846336
>All of 4chan is Nationalist territory.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>42846356
more like 5'10

>>42846356
5'10''? got it.

>>42846303
>i know tons of guys with massive backs that only used machines to build them up
I'll quote arnold directly here. "no bodybuilder has ever built a world class physique using
only machines.. Could you be the first? I doubt it."

You get benefit just from balancing the weight. Remember, the bosy is always seeking homeostasis. to make it grow, you have to constantly shock the body with new things.

If you got on a decent dycle and began...t-bar rows and just cut out all machines (but for tricep cable pulldowns) you'd be amazed how you'd grow.

The body is always trying to adapt and adjust. you grow and get better definition by finding new ways to put pressure on it-- essentially, new ways to torture yourself.

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>>42846370
lol ok

>>42846365
So you are new, gotcha. Return to Reddit nigger boy.

>>42846388
now step off the platform

>>42846356
Nice
See a dermatologist about the acne but other then that you're good
Cut to 230 and see if you look better

>>42846388

Are the doors in your country really small? I'm 6' and no where near the top of the door in the UK... I think a door is 6'6 if I remember correctly.

>>42846355
>160lbs
you stupid motherfucker. I'm 5 foot at, ~221 (cut), and have been at it for 20 years now. I learned in Venice Beach (when it was still cool and san diego from actual professionals when I was 17. I don't give a fuck, you take or leave my advice, no one paying me here, not on the clock training here.

People mentored me, I try to mentor others since that's how it works and how I learned. but anyone not interested, you can go fuck yourself. take or leave it.

you have nice haircuts

>>42846388
>>42846395
top lel
those crafty fucking manlets. He's probably wearing his mom's heels for the pic.
every inch counts

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>>42846245

Piana mostly used machines and he was huge.

Ruhl also used a lot of machines. Pic related.

>>42845940
Now u can't stop. Don't be a retard with synthol and HGH, but nonetheless you now have to leave humanity behind.
Godspeed, roidboy.

>>42846425
>I'm 5 foot
I'm 5 foot -7,5-8, but colombo was 2 inches shorter than I am. The whole fun of the thing is ruined now with every yuppie at gyms at "24 hour fitness" and other fucking chains. I still have a good gym in brooklyn that I have to drive 1 hour there and back to use, but I can't stand the manhattan yuppie scum who have no sense of gym etiquette, have never heard "can I work in?" and have no deference to people obviously a lot bigger than they are and serious about it.

The mass marketing of building has ruined all the fun of it.

>>42846160
your hair cut is shit
jesus that is terrible

>>42846160
holy shit, who do you lift 4?

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>>42846388

>>42845940
you looked better before imo

Mutants your height are a good 100+ pounds heavier at that bodyfat.

You need to bulk. I recommend 3 months tren and GOMAD.

>>42846496
This is some serious jealousy

>>42846446
Rich Piana used steroids to the point that it killed him. He could've done pilates and been huge.

>>42846446
>Piana mostly used machines
Not saying NEVER use machines. I do my military presses on a fucking smith just because I like being locked into a path and the smooth motion. but you can't do them every day and ONLY do machines.

If you want to grow, you have to constantly shock the body in every way you can think of. when you switch it up and go to free weights, you force the body to adapt in a different way. How you grow.

>gyno in "natty" pic
>gyno gone in "not natty" pic

Sure sureeee, both pics are of you on something, you just fixed shit up with your drug stack hence why you're bigger + lost the gyno

>>42846509
Roids didn't kill him fuck nugget. Brain damage from hitting his head and lack of oxygen killed him.

>>42846043
You just don't know how to pose and take swolfies

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>>42846517
you clearly don't know what gyno is

>>42846490
for him

>>42846531
>swolfies
Imma stealing that

>>42846546
no homo?

>>42846610
it's not gay to like big guys

>>42846610
no, homo

>>42846622
that only applies to dick size
liking guys with big muscles is really gay

>>42845940
you do realize its the bloat doing that?

also mirin hard if the left pic is actually natty

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>>42845940
>roiders think this looks good

>I was n-natty in the first pic tho haha i swer

>>42846891
"Good" is purely subjective. Doesn't look great but there's no doubt the dude is huge.

>>42846953
>spotted the roidcuck
it's disgusting

This nigga needed to sell all his shit except that vacuum cleaner for roids, lmao

>>42846981
kek

>>42845940
>falling for the steroids meme
kek good luck having working dicke and balls when you stop

>>42845940
Just cut and you'll look fine.

>>42846970
I think going on gear is fucking retarded. His skin looks fucking terrible, his physique is all kattywampus, and like everyone else on gear he looks fucking miserable. I'm convinced you have to hate yourself to go on gear in the first place.

All that said, he probably achieved what he wanted which was getting pretty huge.

Why do roiders always get that reddish, unhealthy skintone?

He went from aesthetic young complexion to angry grandpa

>>42847066
shows how little you know about anything.
He is roids in the before pic as well.

it's like you faggots dont even lift

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>>42846388

>>42845940
only a fool would believe the left photo is natty

>>42846303
>i know lots of bbers preach squats and dls but honestly i know tons of guys with massive backs that only used machines and steroids to build them up

>>42847096
Ofc he is you illiterate little cunt. The question was why they end up looking like spotted beetroots.

If you don't have anything to contribute except proving your inability to read then gtfo and go flame on /b/ you child.

>>42845940
Left
>jacked
>aesthetic as fuck
>handsome
Right
>avacado skin
>roid gut starting
>acne like a motherfucker
>too vascular
Is skin damage from roids permanent? If so wew lad

>>42846388
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA did you fucking REALLY stand on a platform for some kids on 4chan? How can you be this insecure while swole, holy shit is there no cure for it

>>42846303
>"Dedicated" enough to roid
>Still leaves calves completely untrained

why

>>42846157
Hows your first year in the gym going? If you have any experience you do whatever exercises and sets you feel like that day

>>42846138

>"Well isn't that true?"

Kek

>>42845940
>before
>not eating as much, using chemicals that dry you out such as winny or tren
>after
>eating a lot
>using large amounts of chemicals that leave you more prone to bloating such as deca or dbol
Why bother pretending to be natty in either image? It's not like acknowledging gear use on the left suddenly means your physique is shit.

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>>42845940
You are bloated as fuck and covered in zits because your running test without aromasin, get some asap
Also test just gives you a blocky look anyway, hop on some tren once you get your AI sorted and you'll look lean, vascular, and aesthetic

>>42845940
You look like a gymcel phaggot in both pics Tbh dude

>>42845940
Whoa, yeah dude you fucked up. You looked aesthetic as fuck in the left pic. Right pic looks strong fat with bad acne and I'm sure horrible blood work. I'm so sorry.

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>>42846304
Truth

>>42848141
What is this fucking 1970s, get a better camera faggot

>>42847810
Man, anti-roid cucks are out in full force today.
The only visible side effect from roids he has is acne. There isn't even any such thing as roid gut, its called HGH gut and you can only get it from HGH/Insulin use, not steroids. He clearly does not have that, but has a higher bodyfat % in the 2nd pic because he has been bulking.
He would look exactly the same as in the first pic if he just did a cut and got as tan as he was before.

>>42847122
Checked and kek'd

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>>42847810
>handsome
Fucking gymcels swer on me mum

>>42846479
You sound like a sk8er b0i who got his feelings hurt when avril lavigne merged pop and hip-hop

>>42846336
>All of 4chan is Nationalist territory.
>All of 4chan
>All
Your morbidly obese mom's leaky butthole may be Nationalist territory, teen boy.

>>42845940
You look better except your skin is shittier

Maybe lay of the wet compounds for a bit?

You look really really bloated even though are lean.

>>42846009
>falling for peer pressure and ruining your body with roids
You can be as big as a mountain but it still won't be enough to compensate for your weak will
>roiding for this

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>but you weren't natty in the first pic either!!!

ITT:
>DYELs

>>42846643
shoo shoo newfag

>>42845940
You look gross either way.

>>42850506
he looks great in the before, you stupid stupid boy

>>42850501
Nice buddy, congrats on your noob gains. I'm sure you'll look like OP in 10 years of hard work and dedication. That's all it takes man, just hard work and dedication.

>>42846321
>>>/lgbt/

>>42850532
Congrats on your builtfat mode after the 5 years, bro

>>42845980
That guy looks cool as fuck in that uniform.

>>42845940
>posing and flexing without effort shown on face

Good job OP.

Everyone needs to practice flexing for this very reason. It should look effortless, even if its not.

Just check out how Arnie posed for Mr Olympia. He always said that some peoples biggest weaknesses were being unable to last in a pose off.

>>42846356
goddamn dude what size t-shirts can you fit in?

so this is what "shit genetics" actually looks like

makes you think

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>>42845940
>implying first pic is natural

>>42845980
All-black fascinegro looking final boss as fuck

>>42850702
>implying you lift

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>>42850717
oh what an eloquent rebuttal you delivered there sir

>>42850741
Tells it all though

>>42846356
Lol kill me if i ever look this tryhard

>>42850774
That you don't deny it? Lol

>>42850851
Deny what?

>>42850876
Man your short term memory is shit

>>42845940
Congratulations on your new career as a belly builder.

>>42846321
>le /pol/ boogeyman

Hope you at least can bang 20 pull ups in a row

>>42845940
pic 1:
>a true gentleman
>wouldn't look out-of-place in classic films
>looks like someone you wouldn't mind accompanying you to a fancy dinner or event

pic 2:
>a monster, a mass of flesh and fat barely capable of walking
>wouldn't look out-of-place as the end-boss in some trashy superhero movie
>looks like someone who can't get through a social event without dropping several slurs

Jesus dude, what happened? You looked fine, great even, in the first image, and now you just look like a meathead

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>>42851579
when /fa/ggots leak. this is the garbage they post.
KYS my man

>>42846258
fuck steve reeves is so fucking aesthetic and fucking natty too wtf

>>42851619
Even OP thinks he looks like a monster. If you end up looking worse as a result of working out and juicing, you're doing it wrong.

>>42846356
You don't look bad, your before pic is just leaner compared to current one. I'm sure that once you get top the same body fat % as when you're natty, you'll like your physique more. And try not to eat food that inflames your gut to keep your waist slim

>>42847826
seriously pathetic jealousy

>>42846159
>good lightning
>flexing
>posing
the left pic is not on gear, the left pic is more like 4-5 years of serious lifting

>>42851637
Steeve Reeves wasn't fucking natty.
Dude was the protoype steroid abuser from back in the day.

I'm going to let you in on something. It's going to sound cray but listen up.
I had the dimension that steeve reeves claimed to have. I had the mass and Ilifted heavily and constantly I also had a good chunk of fat on top of that. Most of it went to my stomach and ass though so..you know anyway.
I was as big as he was.

Want to know something? You can't get and keep that shit without serious life sacrifices. That is just beyond peak natural for a healthy young man. And when you're that large and natural you're going to have NO ENERGY TO DO FUCKING ANYTHING outside of exercise and whatever other thing you have to do.
Your NEAT will be MASSIVE without even being very physically active.
You have no extra energy to do anything. Sleep eat exercise and the bare minimum of physical activity thing you have to do is all you can do.

Steeve Reeves being that big, that cut, and that active screams either gear abuse or stimulant use. And since he wasn't 70's era big and energetic and still had all of his faculties later in his life then I'm thinking he was just relatively healthy and did a decent steroid stack.

>>42851824
He's just being retarded. All he needs to do is cut a bit now and take care of his skin.

>>42852050
It was a joke anon...

>>42845940
yes, nice bacne, thinning hair, and increased body fat.

>>42852070
Ah...well then.

>>42852073
i need some pb to go with all that jelly brah

>>42845940
id rather be held and aggressively fucked by the one on the right DESU

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>>42845980
That negro is woke AF

>>42852025
>I don't lift
-the post

>>42846084
Not op but fellow bodybuilder, like 15-20% should be machines in a bodybuilding routine, only during prep does that number go up..also why wouldn't you track lifts op ? >>42845940 you get to look get and know how strong you're getting. What routine do you have that's 80% machines?

>>42845940
Was it the balding or the back acne that tipped you off?
>Your still fucking massive though desu

Despite the fact that you're nowhere near as lean on the right as on the left.

>>42845940
assuming ur wernt roiding b4 (joe boxer so i assume ur canadian and got those at costco lmao)

all that happened was u balding, getting bigger traps/shoulders/arms/hams while negleting chest and calves and getting fucking acne all over

plus u got fat

>>42846220
>>>/pol/

>>42846336
shut your dumb ass up.

>>42846953
how anyone thinks using gear improves your aesthetics is beyond me. it makes your skin all red and puffy like, generally very unnatural. not sexy at all.

>>42845940
why do people pose like this? to be extra gay?

>>42855541
it's a standard bodybuilding pose. your jelly is showing btw

>>42855550
like he said, extra gay

>>42855586
like i said, nice jealousy

>>42845980
I have this guy added, he's a lad.

>>42855457
>>>/lgbt/

>>42845940
Maybe you looked better, but know you definitely look stronger, just get rid of this roid-skin and you can say you made it.

>>42855586
Hows high school?

>>42855457
>>>/lgbt/

>>42846160

> db rows before kroc rows

kys

>>42846356
>bi.png
who you fooling, you're 100% homo