/Vegan/

>>42707294
>cholesterol
enjoy being a low test faggot

>>42707303
Give me a study which proves meat eaters have superior testosterone to vegans.

Vegans stink

How long until the mods get off their dumbasses and automatically flag 'vegan' as spam?

>>42707327
I started this thread, followed the rules and gave a proposition, you're the only faggot who's butthurt calling the mods as if they are your mom.

That's only because eating meat is "default," so you're grouping someone who eats a healthy diet that includes meat with the 500lb woman on the electric scooter at walmart eating her 4th bacon cheeseburger.

Really this stat should be "People that think about what they eat live 6-10 years longer, which includes vegetarians"

>>42707294
>vegetarian-vegan
>frozen yoghurt-froyo

>>42707346
>although if anyone's interested we can always discuss ethics and the environment
I spy 2 things that aren't /fit/-related. Cut the bullshit and go back to >>>/lgbt/

What a clusterfuck of a thread. Yeah, lets lump together the average fast food eating american with people who eat a clean fitness diet. Because meat is meat right? This is why veganism is treated like a weird cult for emasculated boys.

>>42707349
>>42707369
Well if you are trying to counter vegan claims then have the decency to present some actual evidence instead of making absurd objective claims.

>>42707386

Op presented the claims about longer lifespan and shit but with no study to back it up. If he would like to "present some actual evidence," then I'll tear apart whatever weak-ass study made those claims

>>42707397
>>42707349
this is true.

>>42707386
try to be less dogmatic. you have a lot to learn.

>>42707317
Being liberal and vegan is tied to being low t physiologically AND physically
>but pu-pu-please gib me studies
Fuck off nigger just take a look in the mirror

>>42707397
Veganism has been shown to reverse coronary heart disease http://dresselstyn.com/JFP_06307_Article1.pdf

Reduced risk of diabetes
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2671114/

Lower BMI overrall, as even this study says ^

Drinking milk increases risk of bone fracture and osteoporosis https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9224182

Eating eggs inceases risk of prostate cancer
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21930800

>>42707443
>Drinking milk increases risk of bone fracture and osteoporosis
That's not what the study was concluding, you b8ing nigger. I didn't bother to read the rest of your shit since you're clearly illiterate

>>42707438
Except I'm far right wing, a believer in national socialism and I lift regularly, what part of that is low test?

>>42707462
Your vegan diet
Also, your weak lifts and belief in a failed system

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>>42707462
>NeetSuccs
>not low test

>>42707294
So you eat like a bitch because you're afraid to die?
Typical vegan

>>42707294
I'm sure it's already stated but meat eaters encompasses every fucking American burger. Not just me who ate 2 eggs 1 cup of skyr unflavored yogurt a banana and 1 cup of oats and water. I to used to drive to McDonald's every morning to eat 3 sausage burritos while driving.

>>42707443
>Veganism has been shown to reverse coronary heart disease http://dresselstyn.com/JFP_06307_Article1.pdf

This study cannot be extrapolated to the population as a whole. It studies patients who already have cardiovascular disease. Just like salt is fine for healthy people but terrible for people with hypertension, you can make no conclusions about normal people.

In addition, there is no control group, they put these patients on a plant based diet and compare them to the general population. Other comments have already
>>42707369
>>42707349
brought up the issues with this, as you're comparing someone on a controlled diet in a hospital with the garbage the average american eats, not a healthy meat-based diet.

Also they did not here is something in the water in the area surrounding the Cleveland Clinic. Other
age the average american eats. Perhaps if they put one group on a healthy diet consisting only of plants, and another diet consisting of plants and lean meats, the second group would do even better than the first.

Lastly, they changed a ton of variables about the patients diet, not just whether they ate meat.

> Patients were also asked to avoid sugary foods
(sucrose, fructose, and drinks containing
them, refined carbohydrates, fruit juices, syrups,
and molasses). Subsequently, we also
excluded caffeine and fructose.

Excluding sugar from these patients diets makes this whole study garbage. Added sugar has been linked to heart disease, so OF COURSE cutting it out of the diet lowers the patients risk of heart diease. SOURCE: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24493081

I can address the other studies if you like but this comment is already long as fuck. Actually read the articles you're linking and think critically.

>>42707594

lol ignore the stroke I seemed to have in the middle there

>>42707294
those statistics compare a group of people who actively do things for their health, compared to literally everyone else, including alcoholics, druggies, people with diseases etc.

compare keto to the general pop and it is good too

compare paleo and it comes out better too

GET FUCKED

>>42707594
>live longer because you're vegan
>waste your extended life by arguing with meat eaters daily and being angry all the time because you're getting roasted.. while also not being able to enjoy delicious meat
Being vegan must be hard

>>42707294
How about you just eat a balanced diet with the right amount of calories instead of wanking over vegetables

>>42707317
A diet higher in fats increases testosterone.

Vegans stink

>>42707294
Post things about meat eaters that you will never understand:

Why do carnefags feel the need to slaughter a living creature, harvest it's flesh and sear it with a world full of flavors from spices, herbs, fruits, vegeables, oils, and charcoals? Why do they need violence in order to enjoy taste?

>>42709822
because we're not prissy nu-males that are such overwhelming pussies that we think about our food's feelings

I asked this in the last thread about vegetarianism but nobody gave me an answer.
Any recommendations on vegan protein powder? I finished a tub of Garden Of Life in less than two weeks but it's rather pricey. 20 scoops for $40? The tub washing even filled fml

>>42709839
It's like not being able to enjoy sex unless it's rape. Are carnefags all mentally ill?

>>42709822
> eating food is the same as rape

nice dubs but I'm p sure the only mental illness here is your own

>>42709822
>implying "violence" is a meaningful concept apart from the way seeing blood makes you feel

>>42707303
Enjoy dying from clogged arteries.

>>42709888
>slaughtered and harvested animal flesh from a factory the size of Auschwitz is the same as food

You're blind. The media has you completely oblivious to where your "food" comes from.

Only a weak beta cuck would care about animals.

>>42707443
You're wasting your time. These are dude-bruhs. They feed on broscience and what they read in Muscle and Fitness magazines.

>muh meat
>muh gains
>muh heart disease
>muh funeral

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>>42707294
hello there shills

https://pastebin.com/JVpMNyjm

>>42709990
Damn vegans BTFO

>>42709990
Autism: The picture

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>>42710013

@42710018
Weak b8. Not getting that (You)

>>42709990
To bad those claims are all bullshit.

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>>42710023
>>42710037

>>42710018
>>42710086
>Meat eaters are associated with white supremacists/racists/alt-right/radicals

Why am I not surprised at all?

>>42710086
I'm not even vegetarian you mouthbreathing /pol/ cuck monkey.

>>42710086
(((They))) want you eating meat so you spend tons of money on the drugs (((they))) sell.

>>42710127
You only need drugs if you get fat

>>42710086
>>42710103
>not wanting people to be vegan simply because you hate them

Why would I want someone I hate to make adequate health choices?

>>42710103
Because you're a stupid hippy faggot

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>>42710164
because they are low genetic quality trash

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/animals-and-us/201412/84-vegetarians-and-vegans-return-meat-why

>meat eaters
>carnies
Since when does insulting people into joining your way of life/not leaving it work? It's like pretending that calling people infidels enough times will turn everyone into a muslim.

>>42710225
My goal is not to recruit people. I just asked a question about whether or not carnefags are mentally ill psychopaths (they are).

>>42710184
OMG Psychology Today! Now there's a reputable source. Might as well be The Onion or the National Enquirer.

>>42710259
Fuck animals and fuck you. You got a problem with it? I'll eat you too, faggot.

>>42710184

Is there any diet besides the standard american diet that doesn't have high dropout rates?

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>>42707294
Thinking that there are people out there that do not like the taste of meat. Mostly because they fail at making it taste great. Shame to the animal that you can't enjoy it.

>>42710259
I'll give you a (you) and be on my way.

>>42710259
It's because meat consumption leads to lower IQs in general. This, those who avoid meat and dairy tend to hold college degrees, have careers, own homes, etc.

Successful people define themselves with said education and homes while the lesser mentally fortunate refer to their physical prowess (not unlike white trash and minorities who own pitbulls).

It's not their fault - it's the meat and dairy they've been indoctrinated by (((them))) into eating.

>muh meat
>rawr

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>>42707294
Post body with timestamp

Vegans never do this because they are all sickly and weak

>>42710324
Beef! It's What's For Dinner!

http://www.maltatoday.com.mt/sports/othersports/42382/bodybuilding_legend_mike_matarazzo_dies#.WamO4EEpCaM

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>>42707294
>correlation = causation

Vegans and vegetarians, whatever your opinion of them, tend to be thoughtful of their diet, and are also more often than not women, who live longer than men.

Basically op's picture is most likely a result of correlating two variables together, not correcting for a host of other factors that might influence it.

You could probably get the same result if you look for people that drink wine regularly.

>>42710324
I would post a picture of my body to prove you wrong, but I could be identified based on my scars (used to be involved with a fight club, stabbed multiple times) and my gang affiliated tattoos from when I spent 10 years in one of the toughest prisons in the country (I’m, probably, in the top priority list of the FBI right now).

I know your type, though. You think because you can squat and deadlift heavy that you're a big guy with an impressive physique. I have built plenty of muscle without those autistic lifts. You probably think you're superior because you follow the routines of a fat little redneck man with no real knowledge of building muscular or strength. You don’t know shit about muscles and strength if you have not trained the way I had, I literally learned from the best, and you got no shit on me, you fat autistic neckbeard.

>>42710353
Waiting on that pic with timestamp. You won't do it, of course, but that just goes to show how frail you are.

>>42710404
>I'm a felon with a big beautiful opinion who don't need no meat

Your physique is shit. Shut the fuck up, faggot.

>>42710404
delicious pasta

>>42710384
>You could probably get the same result if you look for people that drink wine regularly.

Let's see it, then.

>>42710384

>before statistics
"Vegfags are sick and malnourished, it's a shit diet"
>after statistics
"Vegetarians are thoughtful of their diet and engage in healthy activities, thus explaining their good health"

>>42710429
>posts no numbers to back up his own claim, asks me to back up my claim

You first

i would literally rather die at 50 doing drugs, drinking alcohol daily, and eating whatever the fuck i want, then to die at 110 living a pussy vegan lifestyle

lmao

>>42707349
I get what you're saying, but there are zero studies out there that can actually back up what you're saying. All studies show that strict plant eaters are healthier than even occasional meat eaters. Moderation doesn't matter. Sure, eating meat in moderation is healthier than in excess,but all the science still shows that a moderate meat diet is not nearly as healthy as strict plant-based.

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>>42710410
>do you even lift bruh?

>>42710485
Someone who finally gets it.

>>42710485
What a surprise that a non meat eater would think this way

>>42710461

Please do

>>42710545

i will, faggit

>>42710527
That's because there's thousands of studies involving millions of people to back it.

All you have are big industry commercials and bought and paid for rebuttals to the aforementioned research.

Now get you a milk mustache so you can take another step closer to prostate cancer.

>>42710527

Maybe that's why he doesn't eat meat.

>>42710550
>>42710551
You keep saying 'all science is backing it' but so far that's all i've seen, you saying it.

Hardly convincing evidence

>>42707294

6-10 years doesn't bother me. Dying at 80 vs 90? Drop in the bucket as far as I'm concerned

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>>42710486
this isn't shopped, and he is a vegan. You're about the same, I presume?

>>42710565

That's an average. It could also mean the difference between dying of a heart attack at 45, or living to 80.

>>42710584

Sure. But that dude dying at 45 was probably eating bacon wrapped bacon all day long just like a vegan smoker might die at 45 from lung cancer.

>>42710563
We're not your personal library. If you can't do the google then I recommend you eat five or six steaks daily, with lots of butter and eggs.

>>42710643
>what is burden of proof
embarrassing

>>42710643
>make a claim
>don't need to back it up lul faggot go look yourself

Sounds legit

>>42710663
http://www.naturalnews.com/035081_pasteurized_milk_cancer_dairy.html#

Get yourself a big tall glass of estrogen.

>>42710700
That's funny since soy is full of estrogen

>>42710715
Soy doesn't cause cancer, sweet tits.

>>42710687

http://www.pcrm.org/health/cancer-resources/diet-cancer/facts/meat-consumption-and-cancer-risk

>>42710715

None at all actually. Soy contains a compound that looks like estrogen but isn't.

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>>42710572
and this is a meat eater
feel stupid yet?

>>42710922
That's also a water drinker.

Are you sure you're not just a huge retard wrapped retard?

>>42711027
>being this mad over being wrong

>>42711027

>implying that guy drinks anything but soda and milk

Vegans stink

>>42710700
regular ass milk has like 50 nanograms of estrogen per liter, you fucking idiot

>>42710859
Yeah I looked it up and I was wrong, sheeeeit

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And im gone.

>>42707294
I work in elder care, those 6 additional years really aren't worth it.

>>42711221
Listen sweet tits.... you're getting triggered over finding out the shit you eat drink is a meme. All this time you've been too. It hurts I know. But, the sooner you stop putting meat and dairy your mouth the sooner you can get healthy.

I know you probably love some man milk now and then too. But, that's ok it's not dairy. So guzzle all the man milk you want. Ok, sweet tits?

>>42711345

The thing that makes being old suck is all the diseases that usually come with old age. If you take care of yourself and avoid them, it's not so bad.

I'm going to assume this study took only the health vegan's life spans and just called the average human life span of the average (unhealthy) person meateaters.

>>42710572
>he

>>42711362
>t. layman faggot
High dose sex hormone replacement is 0.5 grams a day
Low dose sex hormone supplementation is 10-20 miligrams a day
A gallon of milk has 0.2 MICROgrams. Far less then what the adult male produces on their own every day. Plus oral bioavailability is shit

>>42707294
Vegans don't live appreciably longer then Omnivores.
One develops heart disease while the other develops severe neurological disease.
Both end up dying.
Well....many vegans end up dying from heart attacks/disease anyway so who gives a shit.

>>42711412
Drink milk and get tits and die.

It's not rocket science.

>>42711417

Which neurological diseases?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8327020
>he matched subjects who ate meat (including poultry and fish) were more than twice as likely to become demented as their vegetarian counterparts (relative risk 2.18, p = 0.065) and the discrepancy was further widened (relative risk 2.99, p = 0.048) when past meat consumption was taken into account

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>>42711469
Don't bother
Carnibores never even so much as read Scientific studies. Meanwhile, I am Vegan and pay thousands of dollars for subscriptions to the latest scientific papers (money I save by not buying overpriced meat) so I understand the Science.

Vegans live longer, healthier, sharper minded lives. B12 deficiency doesn't exist, by the way because B12 is not an essential nutrient. In fact B12 is just a microvitamin of Vitamin C. If you get vitamin C from acidic sources like tomato juice or pickled potatoes, the acid breaks the vitamin C and you get B12. BESIDES IF YOU don't eat ANY B12 it has no health impact. No studies prove this is needed

Veganism is also better for the planet. Animal agriculture produces almost half the worlds carbon emissions. An average cow will emit more carbon and methane after flying 8 hours than a passenger jet. Meat eaters also produce more methane than Vegans and are biologically not carbon neutral. Vegans are actually slightly carbon negative because we eat legumes which cause us to fix nitrogen from the atmosphere.

Veganism is also cheaper. Meat is at least 5 times more expensive. Even the most expensive vegan foods, like dried figs, coconut oil, quinoa and chia seeds, are many times cheaper than overpriced and damaging meat like salmon, feeler minon, and others. I have saved more money in my time as a Vegan than a meat eater would in a lifetime.

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>>42711619

>B12 deficiency doesn't exist, by the way because B12 is not an essential nutrient. In fact B12 is just a microvitamin of Vitamin C. If you get vitamin C from acidic sources like tomato juice or pickled potatoes, the acid breaks the vitamin C and you get B12. BESIDES IF YOU don't eat ANY B12 it has no health impact.

>>42711989
it's bait you fool

>>42712300

Oh, it was just someone trying to skirt a genuine question with a joke

>>42707294

why is it that vegans always compare their diets to the diets of the general population who eat notoriously unhealthy food but never compare it to omnivores with healthy diets?

>>42712752
Because their statistics are true in that regard. Nevermind that if you're fit and even moderately active with a healthy relationship with food, you'll be fine. If you're completely sedentary and don't like tracking calories, I agree that a vegan diet would be best only due to the sheer amount of food it would require to put on weight.

My girlfriend fell for the "vegan" meme? She keeps trying to show me retarded statistics and (((facts))). Is she salvageable? I mean I hit her once before a year back and she started doing stuff my way again (I know, I'm an asshole) and it was going great. She's really good at fucking and sucking and I don't want to dump her... Wat do?

>>42707294
Are there any vegan sources that are protein dense? like >40% protein by calories? Besides protein powders obviously. I'm talking about something that can replace chicken breast/greek yogurt. I've been transitioning vegan and struggling on the protein.

Eating fish is better than being vegayn

Prove me wrong

>>42713363
Insects. If they farmed insects in the states and I could buy non pet food versions of the stuff in bulk, I'd totally buy them critters. Macros are totally stacked in favor of protein. But no. It's weird and too foreign for that to be normal here.

>>42713363
Seitan is about 80% protein
Literally every mock meat, but they are not very healthy
All legumes are on the ballpark of 40% (by calories)
Leafy greens, cruciferous vegetables and mushrooms have that much too but they are a very bad source of calories in general. Just pointing out that they won't skewer your ratio towards too many carbs, you should be eating them for micros
Pretty sure soymilk is about that much protein too

Went to sleep, woke up and still no bodies posted ITT. Why can't vegans provide a simple picture of themselves with a timestamp?

Also I'd like to see an example of a daily vegan diet. List what one consumes in a single day making sure to hit all macros. No one has ever posted either of these in one of these crappy threads.

>>42714478
clarence0 but hes on other shit as well so it doesn't count. he's got a video about dieting on it.
protip: im not a vegan

>>42714478

Grains and nuts for breakfast, legumes and grains for lunch, a salad and a protein shake in the evening.

It's honestly not so hard.

I plan to go mostly vegan in a few months.

>>42714728
Full diet plan, just one day of everything you eat including quantities and macros. Why would you not if it will convince others that veganism is a sustainable diet?

>>42714478
>I'd like to see an example of a daily vegan diet. List what one consumes in a single day making sure to hit all macros. No one has ever posted
Lurk more

>>42707443
>Veganism has been shown to reverse coronary heart disease http://dresselstyn.com/JFP_06307_Article1.pdf
>Reduced risk of diabetes
>>42707443
>They feed on broscience
>Implying mountains of well researched evidence is broscience
>Contrary to popular belief, consuming a higher amount of fat (about 35 per cent of energy) is associated with a lower risk of death compared to lower intakes. However, a diet high in carbohydrates (of more than 60 per cent of energy) is related to higher mortality, although not with the risk of cardiovascular disease.
>The research on dietary fats found that they are not associated with major cardiovascular disease, but higher fat consumption was associated with lower mortality; this was seen for all major types of fats (saturated fats, polyunsaturated fats and mono unsaturated fats), with saturated fats being associated with lower stroke risk. The researchers point out that, while this may appear surprising to some, these new results are consistent with several observational studies and randomized controlled trials conducted in Western countries during the last two decades.
>The large new study, when viewed in the context of most previous studies, questions the conventional beliefs about dietary fats and clinical outcomes, says Mahshid Dehghan, the lead author for the study and an investigator at PHRI.
>https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/08/170829091027.htm
>(cont.)

>>42715093
>(cont.)
>https://authoritynutrition.com/it-aint-the-fat-people/
>https://authoritynutrition.com/top-8-reasons-not-to-fear-saturated-fats/
>https://authoritynutrition.com/saturated-fat-good-or-bad/
>https://chriskresser.com/the-diet-heart-myth-cholesterol-and-saturated-fat-are-not-the-enemy/
>http://www.uib.no/en/node/103172
>http://www.healthline.com/nutrition/5-studies-on-saturated-fat
>http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2017/03/31/bjsports-2016-097285
>http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.85.1.6291
>http://suppversity.blogspot.de/2014/05/bcfa-gut-health-immunity-cancer.html
>https://breakingmuscle.com/fuel/why-all-humans-need-to-eat-meat-for-health

>>42707443
>Drinking milk increases risk of bone fracture and osteoporosis
You're fucking retarded if you actually believe this.
>http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/07315724.2011.10719992
>http://sciencedrivennutrition.com/hormones-milk/
>http://suppversity.blogspot.de/2014/05/bcfa-gut-health-immunity-cancer.html
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2013/12/dairy-good-bad-or-ugly-latest-studies.html
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2016/07/cheese-your-health-cvd-cancer-metabolic.html
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2014/01/true-or-false-dairy-is-toxic-hormone.html
Also highly doubt the"milk=prostate cancer" in the above article entirely especially when in the article it says:
>Estrone and prostate cancer risk in men: As far as the estrone levels Maruyama et al. measured in their 2010 study are concerned it is very difficult to tell, whether or not the 26% increase in E2 levels is or isn't a problem.
>The estrone values in the Maruyama study are unrealistic. With a normal range of <68pg/ml the subjects in the Maruyama study would have elevated E1 levels to begin with, if the measurement was correct.
>difficult to tell
>unrealistic
and
>What remains to be seen, though, is whether future epidemiological evidence will support or refute the currently heralded hypothesis that dairy consumption increases prostate cancer risk and whether we will be able to identify more feasible explanations for this relations than those that are implicated by the results Maruyama et al. present in their 2010 study.
>Eating eggs inceases risk of prostate cancer
Another dietary meme.
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/search?q=eggs

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>>42710700
That's just a big tall glass of dietary memes.
>>42711467
>Because it's a meme.
>>42715232
>>42710766
>http://www.diagnosisdiet.com/meat-and-cancer/
>https://chriskresser.com/red-meat-cancer-again-will-it-ever-stop/
>http://www.mensfitness.com/nutrition/what-to-eat/meat-cancer-bacon-who-report-mens-fitness-health
>https://rawfoodsos.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/minger_formal_response2.pdf
>https://deniseminger.com/2010/08/06/final-china-study-response-html/
>https://deniseminger.com/2010/08/03/the-china-study-a-formal-analysis-and-response/
>https://deniseminger.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/ >http://www.foodrenegade.com/the-china-study-discredited/
>https://deniseminger.com/the-china-study/
>https://www.westonaprice.org/our-blogs/the-curious-case-of-campbells-rats-does-protein-deficiency-prevent-cancer/
>https://www.westonaprice.org/our-blogs/taking-a-trip-down-memory-lane-fishing-for-our-good-friend-glutathione-in-the-waters-of-the-memory-hole-how-t-colin-campbell-helped-prove-that-protein-protects-us
>https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/comments/2qxnro/red_meat_triggers_toxic_immune_reaction_which/cnai2od/
>http://caloriesproper.com/red-meat-wont-kill-you-it-will-make-you-stronger/
>http://www.saragottfriedmd.com/does-meat-cause-cancer-revisiting-the-meat-igf-1-and-cancer-connection/
>>42713371
>Prove me wrong
I can't.
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2014/09/faster-muscle-hypertrophy-lower.html
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2016/02/minimal-amounts-of-fish-peptide.html
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2012/06/fishing-for-better-wheys-to-improve.html
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2014/04/fish-and-krill-oil-both-work-but-their.html
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2013/05/fish-oil-compromises-fish-improves.html

>>42710859
>None at all actually.
Yes, it does.
>>42711243
>I was wrong
You weren't actually.
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21353476
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11103227
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15735098
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/articles/10798211/
>Poor cognitive test performance, enlargement of ventricles and low brain weight were each significantly and independently associated with higher midlife tofu consumption. A similar association of midlife tofu intake with poor late life cognitive test scores was also observed among wives of cohort members, using the husband's answers to food frequency questions as proxy for the wife's consumption. Statistically significant associations were consistently demonstrated in linear and logistic multivariate regression models. Odds ratios comparing endpoints among "high-high" with "low-low" consumers were mostly in the range of 1.6 to 2.0.
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10763906
From an anon describing the studies below and the same on isoflavones: Genistein, dihydrogenistein, and equol have essentially the same binding affinity and degree of receptor activation at ERb as endogenous estrogen. Same with dihydrogenistein and equol at ERa. 3 oz of steak contains 1.9ng of estrogen, 8 ounces of soy milk contains 30000ng of isoflavone, clearly higher on a mole for mole basis. And unlike phytoestrogens estrogen is catabolized by the gastrointestinal tract and only about 5% survives first pass to the liver.
>http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/bph.13622/full
>http://press.endocrine.org/doi/pdf/10.1210/endo.139.10.6216
>https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/bpb/24/4/24_4_351/_article
>http://newsroom.unl.edu/announce/beef/2846/15997
>http://www.ars.usda.gov/SP2UserFiles/Place/12354500/Data/isoflav/Isoflav_R2.pdf
>http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0958694611002123
>(cont.)

>>42715369
>(cont.)
Jamie Lewis on soy
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/09/soy-is-devil-and-not-in-fun-way.html
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/09/soy-is-devil-and-not-in-fun-way-22-12.html

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>everything i don't like
LEFT WING LOW TEST LIBKEK SHIT

>everything i like
RIGHT WING ALPHA SHIT

enjoy your cake

>>42707294
VEGANISM IS A LIE.

What do vehicles with petroleum-burning engines, and anything electric have in common? They're all powered by FOSSIL FUELS, which come from dead animals. Vegans aren't allowed to own or use ANYTHING that came from an animal -- therefore any so-called 'vegan' that drives a vehicle or uses anything electric is CHEATING and is NOT VEGAN. They may as well stop kidding themselves and go eat a steak, they all FAIL.

So-called 'vegans' also suffer from progressive cognitive deficit due to chronic amino acid deficiencies from malnutrition. That's why vegancucks don't make sense, their brains don't work correctly anymore. People I've known who were vegan then gave it up and went back to eating animal products regularly showed positive changes in their personalities and started being able to think more clearly again.

Vegans brains are so addled that they think you can raise an INFANT as vegan and expect it to be healthy and develop properly -- which it will NOT. Any pediatrician will tell you that you should not feed a baby a strict vegetarian diet, it will sicken, fail to develop, fail to thrive, and ultimately DIE. Pediatricians who encounter parents who insist, against all professional medical advice, in feeding their infant a Vegan diet, are reported to the police and to Child Protective Services, because it is legally considered CHILD ABUSE. What does THAT tell you?

Face it, vegancucks: humans are OMNIVORES, even many vegans admit it, and your meme 'lifestyle' is anti-health, anti-HUMAN, and exists as a political statement more than anything else, erroneously placing dumb lower animals above humans, which is pants-on-head stupid.

More evidence that Veganism is a LIE and actually hurts humans in the long run:
Veganism DESTROYS the fitness of pro athletes
https://blog.bulletproof.com/carl-lewis-vegan/

>>42714748
I eat vegan but don't give a shit if others do or do not. Not all vegans are trying to recruit people

>>42715442
why are you making fun of a person on the autistic spectrum?

No his fault his mom was 40 and heavily drank in hopes to kill him

I am vegan because murder is wrong. The health benefits are just a nice bonus.

>>42716231
How many animals were 'murdered' to enable you to type and send that post?

>>42709822
Because they don't understand that without things that are vegan like herbs and sauces whatever flavor they're going for cannot be achieved

>>42710485
>All studies show that strict plant eaters are healthier than even occasional meat eaters.

Show all these studies then.

>>42709853
I would recommend vega one or orgain, although I do prefer vega one because it's cheaper. There are pricier protein powders like fermented pea protein by nutrasumma that supplement a decent amount of micros. But overall anon id recommend giant smoothies of spinach bananas and water/nut milk and ice if you're into that

>yfw met many vegetarians that are bro's
>vegans are almost exclusively annoying cunts

Really makes you think

>>42709888
But anon aren't you curious as to what's in the meat? All those shots the animal is injected throughout its lifetime, the time it takes from the farm or slaughterhouse to the actual meat packing. The quality of food air and living situation it takes, how animals are fed absolute garbage, GMO grains that change its chemistry and growth, the conditions where dead animals are left rotting because the animals are packed too tight for workers to get to it. You want to eat meat is fine, but buy from a local farm or butchery. It's not even about veganism, do it for the sake of your own health anon

>>42715369
>>42715379
Why hasn't any vegan responded to this yet?

I thought 'all science' was behind it being a more healthy lifestyle

>>42718372
It's the superiority complex

>>42713336
Blindfold her and shove a sausage in her mouth

1. Veganism as a set of beliefs is dumb because it's inherently hypocritical
2. Vegans cannot claim moral superiority over anyone
3. There is no absolute and definitive evidence in existence which shows that veganism or vegetarianism is inherently healthier than another diet of equal caliber in terms of health discipline and vice versa.
4. You cannot refute any of these point with success

I know three vegans irl. All of them are young, middle-class white girls who go to university for a non-stem related degree, all vote for the far left, all preach how horrible animal products are over social media, all think their music taste is objectively better than others (one girl actually posted on IG "When you don't care about the Taylor Swift controversy because you listen to good music"), all have a disdain for Christianity but no other religion, all are raging feminists, all own at least one dog which they infantilise, none of them go to gym, all of them dress in that cutesy 1950's era clothing, all of them have Disney tattoos.

Why are vegans so damn stereotypical to the point it's unnerving? It's like we hit the uncanny valley.

>>42707443
>Veganism has been shown to reverse coronary heart disease http://dresselstyn.com/JFP_06307_Article1.pdf

That study has no control group. Plus it explicitly says that they used regular methods of managing CAD in conjunction to vegan diet.

It would be cool if people could be vegan anywhere online and not just be attacked by meat-eaters right away for existing. I always come to these threads expecting a chill time with some info on how Veganism can pertain to the board I'm on, probably because I'm gay, but it's always a shit show.
Honestly, just treat annoying meat eaters like trolls. Don't respond. It's a waste of time. They think you're gay, you think they're gay. It's an equation for endless bickering and distraction from the point of the thread.
Ideally, the thread should include a wall of peer-reviewed studies to support Veganism. This way half the thread isn't just people trying to justify themselves. Any meat-eater that has a hard on for arguing has been offered the counter arguments immediately. It's a waste for everyone to comment about it in the thread at that point.

teal deer: Everyone just needs to shut the fuck up.

That said, what's the best plant-based protein powder, both for cost and taste?

>>42718524
>and not just be attacked by meat-eaters right away for existing.

>OP pic attacks meat-eaters immediately by saying their diet is going to kill them despite the fact OPs pic is fucking dumb
>BUT WAHHHHHH WHY ARE MEAT EATERS SO MEAN!

>>42707317
Give me the study that proves OP- Bullshit; how we first heard about vegans becoming widespread about 4 years ago and now vegans shit data like it means anything. Your sample size is too small.

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>>42707317
>http://europepmc.org/abstract/med/1435181
>For total fasting serum testosterone (T) there was a significant interaction between diet and time (P < 0.01). Thus, the V diet resulted in a lower total T level (13.7, 9.8-32.4 nmol.l-1) (median and range) compared with the M diet (17.4, 11.8-33.5 nmol.l-1). During exercise after 6 wk on the diets total T was also significantly lower on the V than on the M diet (P < 0.05).

>http://www.cancerletters.info/article/S0304-3835(79)80054-3/pdf
>A lower nocturnal release of prolactin and testosterone occurred in men fed a vegetarian diet...

>http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/42/1/127
>Plasma levels of testosterone and estradiol-17 beta were significantly lower in the SV than in the omnivores.

>http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/11103227
>Blood concentrations of sex hormones did not differ after the two diets, but the mean testosterone:oestradiol value was 10% higher (P = 0.06) after the meat diet.


And the best one:
>http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/0022473184902541
>Our results indicate that in men a decrease in dietary fat content and an increase in the degree of unsaturation of fatty acids reduces the serum concentrations of androstenedione, testosterone and free testosterone.

>>42718305
I eat meat straight from the grill, no sauce or herbs. Post body pussy

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>people who are preoccupied with their diet are healthier than the majority of the human population

ah, the eternal dumbgan