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>this thread
>crtl f "crusader"
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What the fuck guys?

cardio actually makes my dick bigger

huh

neato who whould've thought

>>42597511
what the fuck I'm doing cardio now

>>42597519
improved bloodflow, its science.

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I saw a bunch of people posting studies about how AAS use permanently makes your balls a little smaller and makes your natty test a lil lower. Feeling scared of this.. have one month left of my first cycle. What do?

How do I avoid increasing weight amount too much after roiding and fucking up my body?

>>42597573
Enjoy your little balls and low test beta faggot

I told my girl I use viagra+cialis and she wants to try it out

which one do I give her?

>>42597581
By not roiding.

>>42597627
Inject her with some test and she will be crazy horny.

How much better is
Dbol + Test E
than just
Test E

How do I make real gains without fucking up my 19 year old HPTA? I ain't tryna wait until I'm 21.
>inb4 learn how to diet and lift first

>>42597667
It's decently better. Dbol is going really kick start your strength; it will increase your lifts by a ton of weight in just 4-5 weeks. And it will of course also add some extra muscle mass. The extra cost is quite negligible. Worth it if you ask me.

>>42597667
Way better if you like having tits

>>42597692
Lift and diet

>>42597730
>Way better if you like having tits

Depends entirely on your AI and genetics. I can use 75mg of dbol without any sides and get great results from it.

If he uses 25mg a day for and an AI, it shouldn't give him gyno.

>>42597752
m e t h y l e s t r a d i o l

Steroids that aren't meme or shit
>test (duh)
>anavar
>primobolan
>deca
>eq
nothing else is worth using

>>42597810
>mast
>trest
>DHB
>NPP

????

>>42597852
>>mast
shit
>>trest
meme
>>DHB
meme
>>NPP
gotta give you this one

What are your thoughts on peptides? I've personally never bothered with them, as I don't like injecting everyday.

>>42597866
masT seems pretty fuking big and he swears on masT.

are you calling him indirectly a dyel liar?

>>42597880
Mast is good brah, no crazy gains, but it will harden your muscles and lean you out at 500mg and up. Also one of the best feel-good tons.

>>42597916
^rons

>>42597880
masT is big because of dedication and genetics, nothing else

>>42597916
just take a fucking diarutic or drink more water

>>42597810
>tren
>not worth using

Friendly reminder Gatekeepers saying you need to spend 3 or more years as a natty are just trying to cope with all the potential gains the lost if they roided from day 1 and kept studying the topic.

>>42597928
i was half shitposting anyway.

im a big believer that certain people just respond better to certain steroids.

i could be dead wrong but idk.

>>42598011
Maybe. Put whatever you want in your body but I wouldn't have geared up day 1.

>>42595863
benzos lol but seriously I had to up my lexapro dose on tren and haven't run it since that cycle. Sometimes the sides just aren't worth it.
>>42596133
IIRC last cbt you posted 1g of tren is not warranted... but I could be thinking of someone else....but who tf actually needs/wants to run a 1g of tren

>>42598011
Making a life time health choices based on something you may or may not enjoy after a few weeks. Sort of like when I bought a $600 remote control car and got bored after an afternoon, except it didn't castrate me.

>>42598013
I also believe this, whether it be nature of your diet, training style or genetics some drugs just seem to work better for some people.

>>42598278
>Making a life time health choices
PCT and proper damage mitigation.
Only issue I see is people potentially wasting hundreds of dollars

I think I have an allergy to grapeseed oil because the injection site is still red and lumpy after 1.5 weeks. How do I fix this? Please help

>>42597627
Allegedly LGD3303 increases women's horniness.

PT141 is supposedly female Viagra.

>>42597752
20mg dbol fucks me up with sides.

100mg adrol no sides at any point

>>42597866
Trest and DHB may be memes but they work and aren't shit. The Chinese meme supplier is pushing out trest E now, they also have had DHB for a while. Expect at least trest to start becoming more popular.

>>42597810
>Anavar not shit
Kek

>Anadrol
>Superdrol
>Mtren
>Primo

>>42597939
You're living proof buddy

I'm gonna throw in a letter tren ace with my test only cycle. Nothing major, a buddy of mine reports good results with 25mg ed

Question: I am deathly afraid of tren cough. What are some things I can do to avoid it?

>>42597573
Stay on until you die

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>>42599010
First off, good call on the 25mg then eod. You're gonna get a lot of hate and ppl saying it's too low and a waste. It's not though. I've been microdosing gear for a while and the doses you hear about ppl doing online are way to high for the recreational bodybuilder. Everyone's body is different. Good luck to you. And quit being a pussy about then cough. I've pinned tren over a 100 times and the most I ever felt was a tickle in my lungs. Just make sure you know how to do IM injections properly and that's the best you can do.

>>42597810
>tren, npp, mast, and anadrol aren't worth using

These are the people we get advice from

>>42598350
You've got an infection or an abscess, go see a doctor instead of asking 4chan

>>42599010
Unless you actually nick a blood vessel, the cough is probably not gonna happen at that dose unless you're just super unlucky with side effects

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>>42599124

Thanks friend

>>42599010
Never got tren cough before. Not much you can do to stop it though other than ensure you aspirate but even then you can still nick a vein.

One tip I've heard is if you lubricate the needle by allowing a drop of compound to run down it, don't.

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hey whats good yall
do any of you think i could pass as natty?
(pic related)

>>42599010
I only get cough on Ace not on E but E has it's own problems for a 1st timer
>>42599092
agreed, if your gear is good quality 25mg eod should give nice results with like no sides.

/fraud/s, how much does it cost per month to be a cheater?

t. probably future /fraud/

>>42599411
To start out, depending on ancillaries, ballpark $100/month.

Literally less than you spend on protein powder and preworkout.

>start sustanon 500 cycle 12 days ago
>raging boners every morning
>sex drive is literally non-existent

What gives? I thought I'd be fucking land whales and boi pussy by this point.

>>42599442
wtf I thought it was supposed to be expensive, they lied to me. how soon is too soon to be a fraud

>Phillippians 4:13

Heaven help people who put basically any bible verse on their body but let alone the boy band verses.

>>42599608
meant for >>42599204

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>>42599608
>I can do all this through him who gives me strength

when you goin crusadin' senpai?

>>42599620
Whenever Europe decides to wise up I'll be on the first plane over.

I'm not going to go full Brevik because that's just makes you a poster boy for ridicule.

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>>42599634
so never

>>42599543
That's assuming you're only running moderate doses of test and an ai. If you're banging grams of tren and hgh every day it adds up pretty quick, but your first few cycles will be pretty cheap.

>>42599654
I have faith. It took 400 years, the loss of Iberia, Alexandria, Antioch, Jerusalem, killing of Christian Pilgrims and a letter from the Byzantine Emperor to start the first Crusade.

Things will get much worse before they get better.

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>>42599672
Time will tell, but hopefully they get their thumbs out of their asses sooner rather than later

>>42597484
stocking up for my first cycle (12 weeks test e), should I get a dopamine agonist?

>>42599672
Does that mean muslims are Crusaders for allah?

>>42599672
The Jewish seizing of Israel is a modern attrocity and I'm in awe people condemn Muslims for cruelty when this is literally a worse, more cruel, 21st century version of the Natives' treatment by European settlers. The Muslims were forcefully evicted from their farms, jobs, land, houses, etc. and their "rebellion" was the killing of a bus driver with sticks and stones. The retaltiation by the Jews was a killing of thousands of Muslims while the deathcount for Jewish Israelites is predicted as low as in the 90's. Furthermore, a large portion of the Muslims were against the violence and sided with the UN/Jews due to the fact that Muslims technically initiated conflict (even though it was entirely justified from any rational POV).

You have selective view of history and modern politics. If youre going to view history, view it in full. Look at the fact that there have close to no Muslim leaders that have just pillaged and killed throughout history. Even those like Timurlane are commonly acknowledged to have only been "Muslim" for political leverage. Even the development of the Taliban and what became ISIS was never of Muslim origin. The mujahideen were CIA forces brought into Afghanistan to combat communist forces. In fact, they publically tortured and castrated the president Najibullah and renounced his Islamic country of Afghanistan because it was "anti-Islamic" due to it being a democratic party that celebrated equality between genders, brought schools, boosted the econony, brought peace between the US and then USSR, etc. Im sure you believe the nonsense statistics that like 80% of Muslims agree with terrorism or whatever the moronic number was. If you think Muslim politics are anything but a farce driven by media and ulterior agenda, I dont know what to say to you. I won't deny there are actual pieces of garbage, but I think the current pool of information is so muddled with nonsense that there is no way to discern legitmate information and propaganda.

>>42599899
no.

what have you stocked up/planning on so far?

>>42599620

“Him” must refer to Mr Turinabol.

>>42600036
>Jews were shitty

Okay

>not real Islam, Muslims dindu nuffin

Yeah, nah

>>42599940
Can't crusade for a false god.

>>42600036
>10th grader who wikipedia'd "20th century" and supports Bernie

>>42600039
so far it looks like this (just what I've got, the more I read up on cycling, the more mixed info I get)

week 1-12 250mg test e monday & thursday and 12.5mg aromasin daily
week 14-16 ???
week 16-17 20mg nolva ed
week 18-19 10mg nolva ed

>>42600059
What is turinabol?

Low dose long cycle vs high dose short cycle?

For health and (maintaing)gains. Don't care about HPTA suppression.

I do TRT in between, have been doing very low dose long cycles and happy, just curious if the grass is greener.

Heaviest cycle 250mg test cyp 300mg NPP 16 weeks gained 25+lbs kept about 18. Lipids barely changed and no significant cardiac hypertrophy

>>42600098
anyone got anything to add to this? criticisms?

>>42597653
Who cares about a 3 inch clit and a mustache if she's riding you 24/7

Honestly been tempted to do this to a girl, especially when on tren horniness. Then I remember I hate body hair and deep voices

>>42597810
>eq
>worth using

I mean, if using a gram/week for 18 weeks just to look a little dry sounds appealing, be my guest

>No tren
>No npp

Pls be bait

>>42600098

Yeah, do it for 20 weeks instead of 16. Also do E3D/72 hours apart instead of twice a week. So in a 2 week period, 5 injections. At 250mg per pin that's averging 625mg/week. Much better.

>>42600204

Currently on the eq bandwagon for the first time. Running 200mg test E and 400mg eq E3D. Going for 24 weeks. Thoughts? What compound (and amount) would be better than running that dose of eq?

>>42600186
what happens from week 12 to 14?
aromasin won't be needed daily. unless you meant with pin days.
not sure about the nolva. 2 weeks at 20 and 2 weeks at 10. i was under the impression that 20 for 4 weeks was ideal.

might consider making your cycle 15 weeks, unless you don't mind not using your full test vials.

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>>42600208
>Also do E3D/72 hours apart instead of twice a week. So in a 2 week period, 5 injections. At 250mg per pin that's averging 625mg/week.
it's every 3.5 days. so monday morning, thursday night.

>>42600219
that's a lot of eq for a long time.

>>42598368
Shoo shoo sarm shill

>>42600225
Didn't seem necessary to run a pct yet due to the long half life test e has, should I begin the pct the day after the last pin? This is where I read mixed results

>>42597573
did you seriously use steroids without reading about the after effects?

you deserve your tiny nuts and fucked up sperm

>>42600166
High dose long cycle is the only acceptable answer.

>>42600219
In my opinion the only 3 compounds you'll ever need are test, nandrolone (preferably NPP) and tren.

I've done amazingly efficient bulk and cut cycles with only test and NPP.

12 weeks of 350 test cyp/450 NPP should turn you into a freak. Unless training or nutrition is subpar, or you're already a freak (like competitive at regional/state level)

>>42600387
Thanks fraud, I knew you'd tell me what I wanted to hear

Go big or go home with a heart attack, amirite

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How manageable is scar tissue buildup over a lifetime of trt? Injecting my quads is like pushing stringcheese through a cork at this point even with deeptissue etc.

>>42600825
Shoulders and chest.

Just stick with 1"

If you're already getting deep tissue I dunno what else to say

>>42600825
How many years?
why not TRT subQ?

(dont know the answer just wondering how far future is)

>>42597810
Tren should be in there otherwise spot on.

>>42600825
What is this image about

>>42599190
Lubricating the needle coats it in the acetate ester that causes the tren cough. Most bodybuilders are dumb, so i get why tren cough is so prevalent. I never have tren cough.
> draw
> change pin
> inject
> aspirate
> if you draw blood, pull out, re-pin and pin into a different site, if no blood just slowly inject. Take at least 30 seconds to slowly pin.
> ????
> profit

>>42597573
don't worry
i've just wrapped up my first cycle, pct and all, and balls are back to normal, and i feel normal too

i gave my friend some home brew just to try and now he wants more and he told people and now i have to cut all contact off and move away because everyone knows i have sterons now

never tell ppl u use gear it only turns out bad for you

im scared of police coming for me now

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>>42601177
break his legs

>>42600353
i thought weeks 14-16 with the ??? is for that time?
inject for 12-15 weeks, wait 2 weeks, begin pct. where is the confusion?

>>42598350
If it's warm, tender, and red it is likely an infection. You need antibiotics from a physician immediately, this is time sensitive do not delay another day. You don't have to go to an er but definitely see a doc today. If you leave the infection (abscess) it can eat through your muscle and tissue and leave permanent disfigurement and disability. Some infections are extremely voracious and will necrotize (kill and consume) your tissue in a matter of days. If you need motivation, look up MRSA abscess pics.

>>42597573
Post the studies let's take a look and see if they're applicable to our situation and if they're well done. A case study of 10 bodybuilders who spent multiple decades on continuous blast of 19nor and other high potency anabolics are not a good comparison to a person doing two or three 500mg test cycles.

Is 8 weeks enough to get visible results from recomping or i should stick with bulking and cut later (still on gear)?

>>42600036
> Jews were mean to Palestinians so let's run over a bunch of 5 year olds in France, Spain, UK, etc. Basically any country dumb enough to let us in we should just murder random children as a form of protest or something. It's OK though because this book clearly states that those kids are sub human because they worship a different God.
I don't see how anyone could disagree with you, frankly.

>>42601446
there is a big difference between the liberation struggle of palestine against the fucking zionist kikes and ISIS cutting off heads of captured aid workers and establishing a child goat sex caliphate in parts of iraq

i dont even consider palestinian muslims on the same level as arab muslims, they are in the persian muslim-bro category.

hamas even condmened the latest isis attack

isis is basically a jewish product anyways

>>42601440
Bulk and cut is always better. You won't significantly gain without calorie surplus and won't lose significant fat without calorie defeceit. This is a fundamental rule of the body, juice may give you more wiggle room but AAS do not change how the body works, they just make it more efficient

>>42601541
Hamas are scum bags though that behead people in the streets, they fire sugar rockets from the border and aim it at residential area knowing it'll do nothing in the grand scheme of things but hoping they can kill some people, like hit a school or something.

They fire it from border towns and then escape by hiding among the general population so retaliation against them hits civilians as well.

Border towns hate Hamas, their charter also stated they wanted to eradicate all Jews iirc and we're voted in - they stated the only reason they didn't remove the genocidal part against Jews from their charter was for "administrative reasons". Yeah I'm sure that's why.

>>42601635
Thanks, it's nice that you're a namefag. Now i will be able to blame you for getting fat during my cycle.

>>42602023
That's why we bulk in the winter so we can hide our shame

Then tren in spring to fool the normies that we were shredded all along

>>42601541
You could just as easily construct ISIS to being in a liberation struggle against the fucking zionist kikes.

Also the Holy Land belongs to Christians.

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>>42600878
im doing insulin .5 needles atm and it's still difficult in quads.
>>42600890
prolly 4 years now, and im not sure if mast works subq
>>42600963
girl needs dick.

Is anyone in here taking test for low testosterone?

I have pretty much no sex drive and I've increasingly been getting social anxiety. The anxiety is really starting to frustrate me as it's impacting my job performance. I got a low testosterone reading but not enough to be under the threshold for TRT. Anyone have any experience with doing their own test cycle just to get to healthy levels (not for bodybuilding)?

>>42602315
Of course it works subq, what do you think happens to it? The only exit is through the blood stream.

>>42602431
100mg Test E a week would cut if for actual TRT.

Though Id recommend 150mg. Id not recommend 250mg for that purpose.

>>42602445

Thanks man. Much chance of side effects at that dose? Would I have to cycle it or just take that indefinitely?

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>>42597484
>previously on no fap is retarded
>Tfw I got everyone to talk about nofap when I mentioned edging for 10 days straight

>>42602455
There is no point in cycling if youre low T and need TRT and do not want to do high doses for bodybuilding.

Unlikely to have side effects at that dose, but it is possible - if you have MPB then hair loss due to it may be accelerated due to increased DHT.

Estrogen shouldnt get high enough to make boners weak. I suppose "gyno" is a possibility. Those can be dealt with.

When youre on TRT you want semi-regular check ups.

Blood work telling you cholesterol - VLDL, LDL, HDL etc.

I dont think there should be issues at that dose, but YMMV.

Portable battery powered and ac adapter powered blood pressure checkers arent that expensive now - theyll measure your blood pressure and resting heart rate.

If those start getting in high, you can go in to doctor and ask for a blood test for heart health etc.

The benefit of a prescribed TRT is that you get health check ups. Down side is they may give you like 100mg every 10 days, and may only inject once per 10 days etc or some crap like that, which is can make you feel shitty when the test level drops after 4-5 days.

How low is your test?

You could also take ostarine to edge your test a bit lower to get a prescription.

>>42600036
>The Jews are oppressing muslims
>The Americans bombed the shit out of our countries
>Let's run over a bunch of random people in France, Germany, Sweden, Spain, UK, etc.
I really don't understand how anyone can have empathy for these people.

>>42602455
Well, the idea is that if you're restoring your test levels to within a natural range (most guys aim for the upper end of the natural range), then there would be no real side effects as it's no different from what your body originally should have been producing.

When you hear about things like blood pressure, lipid profiles, too much aromatization, excessive DHT, etc... it usually happens because these fuckers are running 3x-5x their natural range.

Obviously this is just 4chan advice so consult with an actual physician but this is pretty much the general consensus in the community. If you're going to push the envelope and aim for a higher end of the natural range, then yeah you might encounter some light side effects like balding (only happens if you're genetically predisposed to it) or hair growth in weird places (again, only if you're genetically predisposed to it)

>>42602491
>>42602522

I can't quite remember but I was around the 300 mark for total testosterone and maybe 19 for free. My doctor wants me to get another reading and a possible referral to an endocrinologist. Not sure what the rule are in Australia but I could see my doc prescribing me if there is flexibility as she knows me well. Obviously I'd prefer to go via a doctor so I can monitor it.

I pretty much have no sex drive and my boners are pretty weak. Unfortunately my hairline is already receding (I'm 26), but I've also heard low test can cause/accelerate MPB? Either way I think I'll be shaving my head by the time I'm 30 so maybe I should just cut my losses on that front. It's a shit situation to be in.

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So i ran test e at 500 for 18 weeks for my first cycle. I've been off 2 months and made good recovery with a solid pct and all. I'm reading so many different things about how long i should wait. Is the ideal time off equal to time on?
Also, SARMS while off, yes or no? Still suppressive so i feel like it is a no.
Also, ideas for next cycle are welcome. I really want to jump to tren and leave humanity behind but figured i need to chill out and maybe just add deca this time.

>>42602540
with 300 youd only need the slightest bit of suppression to get you under to get a script. Which is why Id say ostarine. Though if its really close to the cut off mark, some shitty life style practices may lower it just enough (like not sleeping etc).

Not sure about low test accelerating MPB, though if its low test because of high conversion to DHT that would make some sense to me.

Finasteride would stop MPB related hairloss from low trt dose of test. There is some potential for regrowth with other therapies/drugs. Some people on here can speak on that.

I dont have any experience with hairloss but Ive read on hairloss forums someone who took both finasteride and sarms together had regrowth but lost it all when stopping the sarms (it may work in the scalp like serms work on breast tissue).

I used to be in Aus, but I never got trt, just bought good ugl test.

>>42602651
Suppression isnt the major issue with off time imho.

Other stuff like hematocrit, blood pressure, cholesterol, basically general health.

do you really need to eat 1.5 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight while on cycle?

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>>42601405

Thanks friend, i appreciate you

>>42602540
>she

Kek

>>42599457

Doesn't boners = sex drive

What should i consider when taking accutane?

I heard stuff like, swallow it with oils, keep your lips and face moisturized.

>>42602896
1g per pound of body weight is more than enough regardless of roids

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is this a good plan for my first cycle?

1-10week - Testosterone Enanthate 200mg once a week
3 days after week 10 - start nolvadex 20mg and clomid 50mg daily for 4 weeks.

I'm super nervous about the whole thing so I want start off light.
I'm wondering if my PCT is good enough.Thoughts?

>>42603850
Don't forget to inject viagra into your dick as well so everyone at the gym can see your magnum dont through your pants.

Also you need to wait longer for PCT

Do halo strength gains last after the cycle?

>>42603884
Halodrol, with test, yes, though they're usually only a few pounds to begin with. Not a strong drug,
Halotestin, not usually. PL use it for competition, BB as a lead up to a show.

I'm not aware of any other drugs by that moniker.

>>42597484
Anyone tell me about LGD-4033?

Is it usable in pill form or am I being rused? What's your experience using this shit. I wanna try it out, mpb is all over my family and this shit won't give me it.

Is the only way to get legit shit in liquid form? Do you injest that orally?

>>42603850

>10 weeks
Waste of test

>>42603950
Tried pill form first from a known brand, no results
Tried it again later in liquid along with mk677 form a research chemicals company, saw results.
A few pounds lean mass along with small strength gains.

Yeah injest orally,
Suppressed me though

>>42603648
Anti-suicide smock

>>42602896
2 grams to make sure

more protein synthesis

>>42603985
Any side effects? seems pretty expensive for the liquid version but people keep saying this is the only way to go. I'm going to need a pct, I'm assuming it's not as demanding as aas?

>>42603952
you think 10weeks isn't enough?
I was originally planing on 12 weeks but I thought 10 weeks would be a good starting point for my first cycle.

>>42603950
pills, or liquid both are fine if its legit.

It stacks well with test, basically amplifies dosage, but that can lead to amplified sides too for the same reason.

As above, someone on a hair loss forum said they stacked sarms on top of finasteride, and got regrowth, but lost it all when stopping the sarms.

>>42604049
irc.bio sells the powder cheap (cheaper than premade LGD, but still way more pricey than steroid raws), you can buy some pg liquid to mix it into.

Also LGD-3303 is supposed to be stronger with better results, though half life is shorter, so either split dose throughout day, or all at once preworkout I suppose.

>>42603866
I've heard of people taking nolvadex and clomid during their whole cycle. Starting early shouldn't have any ill effects if I understand it correctly.

>>42604068
Only thing you will see in 10 weeks will be bloat. If you won't get bloated you will see nothing.

>>42603998
come on give me a real answer.

Did you take your dosage all at once, or did you split it up?
So if you took 30mg, did you take 10mg 3 x a day, or just 30mg at once

>>42603648
you don't need to take precautions, deal with sides as they happen. on a lowish dosage like 20mg/day the most that'll happen is dry lips, so get some lip balm

take it with fats. half-life is about 20 hours so once a day is fine.

>>42603850
>10 weeks of 200mg/wk
lol where do you people come up with this stuff

>>42604197
100mg pre-workout

>>42604231
thank you anon.

I also use a multivitamin which contains Vitamin A. Bad idea right?

>>42604240
i dont get it either.

Honestly even 10 weeks of 1000mg test e is a waste. Muscle takes time to build even on steroids.

>10 weeks
>200mg

Literally shutting down your balls for nothing

>>42604294
400mg of tren is more than 1000mg test though, and its not an outrageous dose.

>>42603850
do 200mg for a year instead, no memes you will see great progress

>>42604306
tren is another story.
Most tren cycles last 10 weeks too, so thats alright.

But 10 weeks of any test dosage is a fucking waste of time and money.

You'll gain 1 lb of muscle, 5 lb of water.
And when you PCT, you lose all the water and 3 lbs of muscle kek

>>42604340
this, low dose test for an entire year is quality gains

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>>42604341
>any test dosage
wut

>>42604276
possibly yeah, I doubt you'll overdose on vitamin a with low dose Accutane and a multivitamins though... I'd say cut it out if you were going to do the big boy Accutane doses like 80+ mg but on 20ish I doubt it'll cause any issues

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>>42604240
>>42604341
I've been reading up and I found this plan for a first cycle.
<-----
500mg weekly for 10 weeks
2week gap then PCT for 3 weeks
My PCT being nolvadex 20mg and clomid 50mg daily.

I wanted to keep it low because I'm nervous about it but if i'm not going to get at least some results whats the point.

Would 10 weeks be enough at 500mg? I posted else where and I'm getting told 12-16 weeks. I wouldn't mind doing 12weeks but I am not super comfortable doing more than that.

>>42604461
see how you feel at 12 weeks

>>42604461
500 mg is fine, just take it atleast for 16 weeks, maybe even 20.

And please dont come up with fertility. 10 weeks is healthy but 16 weeks will kill your balls? i hate this meme i hate you

pin 250mg every 2 times a week, instead of 500mg once a week.

PCT should be 4 weeks, not 3.

I'd lower the clomid and increase the nolva dosage but thats just me

>>42604411
guess ill go for it then, thanks anon

>>42604461
>not super comfortable doing more than that
whether you're on for 1 week or 20 it doesnt matter.

the only risks that may increase only start after way way longer periods. always go for 16+.

its just way more cost effective.

>>42604461
dont feel bad, you got memed into steroids being magic. That you take them for 10 weeks and blow up.

Reality is even if you did them for an entire year you still wouldnt be close to your dream physique

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Do I really need to take my temperature while on clen or is that just a meme?

>>42604731
Why would you "need" it?

>>42604742
What?

>>42604498
>>42604549
>>42604568
>>42604587
Thanks for all the help.
Currently my plan is 500mg for 12weeks, 2 week gap then PCT for 4weeks at 20mg and clomid 50mg daily.

Add the end of week 12 I'll see how I'm feeling and might add a few more weeks on.
Planning on injecting only once a week because I want to limit my time with needles.

Any last thoughts are welcome.

>>42604754
>>42604742

>>42604731
why, just why.

If you are just too braindead to cut like a normal person, even with the help of steroids, atleast take DNP.
Why, just fucking why would anyone in the world take clen.

Clen is 90% shitty sides and just one of them happens to be fat burning.

hang yourself you degenerate loser. From that post alone i just know you are trash

>>42604759
you will be disappointed by the results when you arrive at 12 weeks, i guarantee you that.

you are going for all the hassle of actually doing a cycle, and then you want minimize pinning?

You do realize test e has the halph life of like 3-4 days.
When you pin once a week, you will will be high test for halph of the week, and right after that you test levels will crash like crazy and you'll make no gains. And the end result will be even lesser gains after 12 weeks than you were initially going to have.

I seriously seriously want to know where all these anons get their retarded information from and nuke that god forsaken source for good.

Try to reduce clomid and increase nolva.

>>42604765
DNP is pretty extreme for what little I have to lose man. Not to mention the side effects of, yknow, death.
Clen just makes my current 500kcal deficit more effective. I don't really want to be cutting for too long.

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I need some advice. I got 6-10 weeks left of my first blast but im on more on the fatter side. Should i keep bulking until the end of my cycle and cut afterwards or try to recomp? Im planning to cruise after.

>>42604818
>Clen less harmful than DNP
oh sweet summer child

complete noob here

is protein powders and creatine considered safe steroids?

>>42604819
if you are going to cruise afterwards anyways, you can continue bulking because you will lose hardly any muscle when you cut on your cruise.

>>42604818
Just go with ephedrine/caffeine dude. Much less risks overall. Clen and DNP are about equally dangerous if you don't already know how you react to them

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>>42604855

no

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>>42604855
Wouldn't bet on it

>>42604866

only problem is that good ephedrine is hard to find where I live

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>>42604855

>>42604911
I know not all places have it OTC, but check out what's in your local asthma meds.

>>42604855
They think you are baiting them so they are messing with you.
Protein powders and creatine aren't steroids. Completely safe without any real risks.
It might be worth reading the /r/steroids/wiki on reddit.

so how does otc ephedrine work in Canada? do I have to ask the pharmacist to get some or is it just on a shelf?

>>42604461
Its okay like others said 12 weeks would be better. Don't expect miracles but honestly I had a great time on my first cycle that was pretty similar, I noticed improvements in looks and strength from week 4.

>>42604917
This is the reason why I never believe the media regarding anything.

>>42605104
Their reporting is just as inaccurate on every topic but you just don't know it. If you ever have an article written about you or a project you were involved in you'll see how retarded they are. They print half lies and half cherry picked truths chosen to be as inflammatory as possible. They just invented a storyline that seems exciting and make up shit around it to support that.

Are low rep back exercises a meme? I feel my back working so much more when I go higher reps (10-12 reps). I barely get a pump from low reps back exercises even on dbol, but with chest I get it easily with low rep bench press.

>>42605015
just ask the guy at your supplement store. they usually keep it behind the counter.
I don't think real pharmacies have it

>>42597484
how much calories above maintenance should someone eat on dbol, test, deca?

140 mg Test Prop
875IU hCG
1mg Anastrozole

This put my T levels at 3000 ng/dl

500mg Test a week is fucking ridiculous

>>42602651
Sarms are very suppressive for little gains, definitely not while trying to recover

500 is way too high for first cycle

>>42605662
my supplement store only has ephedrine hcl. good enough?

>>42606090
lmao no it didn't, there is quite literally a zero % chance of that happening

>>42606090
Are you saying you ran HCG for the entire cycle? That doesn't seem good

>>42606093
why does everything I read suggest 500mg/wk for a first cycle then?

>>42605999
pls help

>>42606185

Eat enough that you gain weight without getting fat. Do you already know your maintenance?

>>42606202
around 2500, im eating 3500+ now but im not sure if its enough or too much

Anyone else here have difficulty on refeed days? I don't know what it is. I've been dieting my balls off for the last month so I decided to have a refeed day (made a huge thing of salmon and rice with plans for a shit ton of beans, fruit, etc...) and I'm just too full already.

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>>42606153
Here you go bro

>>42606163
Im running a TRT protocol, or trying at least

>>42606229
yeah and that's not on 140mg/week

maybe you injected 140mg of prop and got bloods on the same day... that would be believable, maybe

>>42606229
Nope

I injected 40mg Prop in the morning and got the bloods done 10 hours later

I suspect that a lot of UGL is overdosed

>tfw just pinned 2IUs of insulin

I threw away my natty card and I don't even have test to go along with it.

>>42606227

Why are you on gear (not to mention multiple compounds) if you don't know how to eat? This is a basic skill that should be a prerequisite to steroid use.

Are you gaining weight? How much? Are you looking fatter in the mirror?

>>42606353

>insulin without test, androgens, or GH

Have fun getting fat AND diabetic.

>>42606393
I'm pretty sure that's just a diabetic making a joke you're quoting

>>42606393
i know how eat
i was obese and cut all the way down to 12% then fail bulked as natty then cut down to 8%
i want to maximize the muscle gain from this cycle but not excess fat, just started pinning

>>42606406

Oh. That would explain it, wouldn't it? I would have chuckled if I had that context. Too bad it's in text on a board known for borderline-autistic people like me.

>>42606418

Sounds to me like you know how to lose well, but not how to gain well.

Use the scale, but take it with a grain of salt, especially on dbol. There will be a lot of water weight. Keeping your estrogen in control will help with that. Just make sure you're gaining consistently.

Some people are too afraid of putting on fat to gain weight at a decent rate, and they end up not gaining much muscle despite being on a bunch of gear and working hard in the gym.

Use the mirror, at least weekly. Take progress pictures and compare. You can also use bodyfat calipers or something if you want, just remember that the actual number isn't as important as how much it changes from week to week.

Use the scale and mirror (and maybe other tools) together to find a rate of weight gain that doesn't leave you getting fat. If you feel like you put on more fat than you're comfortable with, then pull back on the food consumption and/or add in some light cardio. Just remember that cutting is easier than regretting not gaining as much muscle as you could have.

Also, just in case: don't eat garbage, and make sure you're getting at least 1.5 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight (preferably 2). For bonus points, base your protein consumption on your goal bodyweight rather than your current bodyweight.

Hope that helps.

>>42602431
that's exactly what I'm doing. it took away my tiredness, depression and anxiety and enabled me to come off sertraline easily.

never going back if i can help it, it would be like turning my brain off.

>>42606574
thanks

>>42602431

I'm doing exactly this, for similar reasons to yours. My test came back in the low 300s, but my doctor's reference range bottoms out at 124 (fucking terrible, no idea why it's that low), so I just went and did it myself.

If you can get it through your doctor without stupid pin frequency (100 mg of test-c every ten days is not acceptable), then do so, especially if TRT is your only goal.

If you do end up doing it on your own, you've got some good advice already. 100 mg/wk would be just fine for starters. Make sure to get some AI alongside it just in case. Keep doing blood work on occasion. Maybe look for a longer ester (test-u) so you don't have to pin as often and can travel without worrying about pins as much.

>>42606574

>1.5 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight (preferably 2)

is this only for people who /fraud/

Holy fuck my PIP is already in full force only 8 hours after the injection. I know it doesn't even peak until 24-36 hours usually. Tomorrow is going to SUCK

>>42607057

iktfb

Test prop pip is horrible

>>42606957

For natties, I think it's 1-1.5, but /frauds/ have better protein synthesis, so they can build more muscle from the same work.

>>42607151

Need to up my natty brotein intake, only eat like 150-170g/day.

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So I live in Denmark.
There is ADD (Anti Doping Damark) and they have a 'partnership' with my local gym.

I look natty, and I plan on keep looking natty, but my question is, how do I avoid being called in for a test?

The entire system is a joke, I can refuse to be tested but that will cause me to have a blanket ban on all gyms who have a partnership with them (still better than being charged by the law).

They seem to rely on people reporting other people, so a snitching system.

How do I avoid getting 'caught' by some stuck up bitch in her forties reporting me?

Considering just wearing long sleeve shirts and long pants.

>>42607279
if this is an actual thing that genuinely manages to regularly catch and ban frauds (which I doubt) then I'm sure there must also be gyms popping up that are specifically fraud friendly

if not then I just gave you an awesome business opportunity for free, you will also be a national hero for creating Denmark's first all-inclusive non-substance shaming safe space gym, you're welcome fag

>>42607279
What is the deal with eurocucks? If you disagree with a business policy dont give them your patronage. Ffs, and if there are no gyms otherwise, buy your own equipment. If you are too poor, make some money.

Wtf is with you people? You are literally helpless toddlers.

>>42607358
There are plenty of roid friendly gyms there.

Gyms have to specifically join that retarded >muh feelings club.

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>>42607279
That's so gay, I can´t even..

>>42607279
Here is a plan to pay them back
Get some dbol raw or crunch up a bunch put it in every ones drinks.
Snitch on everyone, everyone gets banned, gym gets bankrupt, buy equipment for cheap at bankruptcy auctions.
Open up fraud friendly gym
???
Profit

Otherwise
Long sleeves, baggy clothes
Don't change clothes there, don't shower
Don't bang weights don't grunt
Don't talk about anything concerning lifting progress and shit
Go when noone is around

>>42607525
So lift like a typical /fit/izen lol

>>42607525
I actually do literally all of those to stay lowkey.
Thanks man, glad I seem to be doing it right.

>>42607525
>>42607432
>>42607358
There is a gym actually that seems to be owned by 2 really swole dudes. They only have a facebook page and no website. Posts pictures of their members powerlifting.

Its one giant free weight area.

Considering just going there now actually, seems roid friendly or at least indifferent.

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>>42601405

I went to the doctor and he prescribed some antibiotics. He also said if it's not cleared in 4-5 days it's probably an abscess

Holy shit. All my BTC doubled in value. Time to buy some tren.

>>42603850
>10 weeks
>200mg once a week
>3 days after week 10
>20mg nolva and 50mg clomid for 4 weeks

is this bait

>>42603850
Bro I understand where you're coming from but you have to understand that testosterone by itself - especially when paired with the enanthate ester - is VERY underwhelming. You have a lot of retards that spread this meme of aggression/confidence/euphoria/test flu/sweating/whatever which makes people think it has some kindness acute effects but trust me bro it doesn't do SHIT. I actually encourage you to try your 200mg cycle because I guarantee you by the third week you're going to be doubling your dose out of restlessness/impatience. And then you're going to be starting your cycle all over again because you didn't realize that your first 3 weeks don't really do shit since it's the progressive accumulation of several significant shots that really make enanthate shine

>>42609027
Btw when I say doesn't do shit, I mean in the acute sense. You'll probably get mild results even on 200 after 10 weeks or so.

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>>42607579
>Tfw bimbo gives you a (you)
Glad you are back, keep on growing

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>>42608735
> tfw cashed out my bitcoin to buy back in march
> left 25 bucks of bitcoin in my account
> now its worth 115

At least I got in on ether on the dip last month and up 800 bucks.

>>42609111
i so regret buying ethereum instead of bitcoin by some retard's advice in here.

>>42609123
ether will surpass btc in 2018

>>42609132
we'll see it when it happens.

for now my 100 euro worth of ethereum dropped instantly and now hovers around 70. I don't see it going way past 100 again.

>>42609152
bro... 100 euro is bitch money... no shit it aint gonna be worth anything

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>>42609201
if i had a reasonable amount of money in the first place I wouldn't be investing it, u shit.

How the hell do you do no porn
I cant even get a semi without loli/tranny shit

>>42609152
>buying chinese funny money as an investment

>>42604759
>getting memed into doing a forever cycle

https://www.aworkoutroutine.com/steroids-vs-natural/

Cycling 500mg test and I literally cannot stop eating. 80% clean but I'm still worried I'm gonna put on a shitload of fat.

>>42610039

Eat your carbs last (meat, then veggies, then carbs), then cut out carbs in the evening.

Wa la, lower risk of fat gain.

As a bonus, lower carbs in the evening might help your sleep.

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>>42609662
>How the hell do you do no porn

>tfw horny every other hour
this is suffering

at least I'm not a degenerate filthy loli lover

Wondering if anyone here is from or lives in Brazil? Im living here for a while and know you can get gear from pharmacys but some things require prescription and some dont? Wondering if someone can give me some info on it, thanks

>>42610218
go to the ones that don't need a prescription?

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>>42610218
If Brazil is like Argentina smaller pharmacys will sell you anything without prescripcion, bigger ones will not

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>>42610180
>as he posts a young no ass girl
You sure about that

>>42610257
Are those like compounding pharmacies? Those have different regs here

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When should I take AI?
Just as soon as my nips start feeling sensitive?

>>42610234
Not as in some Pharmacys require them some dont, but like you could get PCT but not Test without a prescription
>>42610257
yeah im thinking this but my Portuguese is not amazing and feel like Ill end up struggling if I have to have a debate with them

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>>42610294
No, just chain pharmacys dont want to risk selling without prescription and getting caught, smaller ones dont give a fuck i guess

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>>42610294
small ass best ass m8, and tiddies

fug

>>42607279
I've never seen Anti Doping Denmark in my gym, and I've trained for 6 years and frauded for 2-3

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>>42610373
Like the loli body?
Hmmm

>>42610369
Oh. They must not have too bad a punishment then lol

>>42597484
anyone know how much a test cycle costs in Australia?

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>>42610340
If they say no just go to another one, today they refused to sell me modafinil in one pharmacy so i went to the one across the street and buyed the moda. They will probably try to make you pay more because your gringo status tho

>>42610459
In my city its as if they are all chain pharmacys from what ive seen which I imagine wont sell me. Gringo worked well for me though I told the doctor I had ADD and they gave me a big old prescription for Ritalin no problem. Just dont think I could make something up to get gear so easily

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>>42610418
Yeah, we have prescription and archived prescription(for psychoactive drugs and some other shit). They don't care about just prescription drugs (like test), but they are more anal about archived ones.

>>42597810
>all the previous replies
>primo
You're not even trying are you

>>42610503
For me it would be more dificult to get ritalin than test kek

>>42610553
Ill do a loop of all the pharmacies see if they will sell a gringo a large amount of test if i flash some cash at them

>>42610601
Good luck!

>>42608334
Great. High likelihood it will resolve in the next few days. Otherwise you will have to have it cut open and drained. Just make sure you use alcohol pads on your skin prior to injection, some people recommend one pad then waiting a minute and then a second pad. Wipe in concentric circles from the inside out so you don't recontaminate the clean portion.

REMINDER:
No amout of steroids will fix your BETA-AS-FUCK lack of personality, make you intelligent if you're dumb, make you funny if you have no sense of humor or a shit sense of humor, make you interesting if you're dull, make your face handsome if you're ugly, or make you taller if you're a manlet. They won't make you brave in the face of all the bullies that obviously dominated you, or make you stand up to your (step)father who used to beat you. It won't cure your crippling autism. It won't do ANYTHING other than give you circus-freak muscles that everyone knows are fake, making you more of a target for ridicule, mockery, and bullying.

>>42610751
You can drain your own abscesses though.
Bite a belt and stick a needle in your butt

>>42610294
I'm feeling that pic desu jerry... my my what a slippery slope I have come upon

>>42610813
but they will give me 200kg bench :)

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I droppes the eq and there's much less pip
Eq really didn't smell leathery either
Wonder if its eq

>>42610822
Theyre built for sex

>>42611258
It was lolizol

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>>42597484
Question here.
I have access to high tech equipment lets say, to analyze purity of certain substances. How much should I charge to that dude that wants me to analyze his /fraud/ samples?

>>42611258
pls stop this jerro

>>42611265
General rule of thumb is to charge enough to make a profit.

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>>42611265
I doubt you actually do but here's the number one tester we have

>>42611258
Why are lolis so great?
>tfw 150cm dfc gf
She keeps telling me she's 19 but I swear that pussy feels 12.

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>>42611350
B R E H

>>42611298
"Send me all your gear and I'll 'test' it for you"

>>42611368
>when she said she will cosplay stephanie from lazy town
Brehs I aint going to heaven.

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>>42611462
you're already there

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>>42611262
I wish that was a real compound
Id cruise on a gram
I bet thats what zyzz took
Sharky was jealous and thats why he killed him

>>42611275
Stop what

>>42611350
Iktfb
;_;

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>>42611258

the beverages are not for sex jerry

How do cucks even survive this no fap meme?
When I dont fap or have sex for more than 3 days I feel like raping any girl on street.

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>>42611602
I can't even make it a day

pretty sure I'm addicted to porn tho

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>>42611575
Usagis are for impregnation

>>42611621
Porn addiction is so hard to break
I watched 3 hours today while writing papers, it wasnt getting me hard cause it wasnt gay enough, so now ive failed no porn am crazy blue balled and didnt do enough school work
Porn is the devil

>>42611621
>>42611642
I don't even watch porn at all, just mostly those erotic anime images.

Why cant I see my gains myself?

7th week on 500mg/test and 400mg/deca. Gf says shoulders, traps and pecs are growing but I still look like a skinny dyel when I look in the mirror. This feeling is fucking horrible, and the amount of pussy I need to slam is outrageous, I get so fucking irritated if I dont get laid or a bj atleast once a day it scares me. Had to bump my AI and started taking prami because my e2 and prolactin were fooken high. Ass.

>>42612431
And why everyone drive so slowly suddenly? Why people are such quiet pussies? What the hell am I pinning into my muscles?

>>42606184
You're reading the wrong places. Idiots trying to make up for bad diet lazy training.

I went from 175 to 195 (weight kept 4 weeks off) 200mg test cyp 12 weeks

>>42610813
>fake muscles

I think you're confusing AAS with synthol. Also confidence will work wonders for cultivating wit and intelligence. Also also androgens give you Chad chin/jaw

275 total test levels, reference range for my results is fucking 250 so insurance won't cover it, just fuck my life senpai.

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Yo frauders,

what Would you say is the best Bang for the buck yet dont affect acne like the rest.
Inject pref, i've dont test/tren cycle before But Its affect on acne is to high on me.
Cheers boys!

>>42597484
If I'm running nolva after my first test cycle is it necessary to also take clomid or suggested in any way?

if someone was 18% bodyfat on steroids could they gain muscle and losr fat at the same time eating maintenance?

>>42612935
Test tren anavar Would do that for you

is it ok to get fat on a cycle? i mean powerlifters and strongmen do it and theyre fine
seems just like a bunch of broscience that u cant roid above 15%

My biceps are tearing, how do you handle stretch marks brehs?

>>42607279
In the same boat here anon, so I'll let you in on the secret to avoiding ADD: Don't speak a fucking word of steroids you mong.
If you still get called out for a piss test, refuse and find a new gym, it's only a 2 year ban anyway

>>42613350
you don't really

>>42613333
You can but you'll fuck yourself up in the long run. Why would you do steroids if not to look good. If you're not a professional athlete you shouldn't do steroids while being fat because it makes no sense why you would want to

>>42613579
What if you just want to get swol or strong as fuck?

>>42613333
Watch blood pressure and rhr with a monitor. Its otherwise similar to getting fat in general, which isnt okay.

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>>42610813
Not true, I gained four inches on my height, became more assertive, which over time shapes your confidence, and put on 50 pounds of lean muscle on 200 mg of test a week. I think you're just a silly faggot.

>>42613688
>Four inches in height
wut

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Are there sterons that make maintaining a very low bf% (~9%) easier? I'm cold all the fucking time and everything makes me bloat.

>>42613818

tren
hgh
and a dash of clen/t3

>tfw I intentionally buy really tight clothing so that I can literally feel myself grow when I cant even fit in them anymore or accidentally rip it

>>42612660
Halp

>>42612660
Dbol I guess.
But, even with that you should do another compound with it.

>>42613941
Low dose Tren A, moderate Test any ester.

Test probably won't aggrevate acne outside of close to gram doses, Tren A so if it does you can drop it quickly.

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Any Ausfags in here know how much a 15 week cycle of test would cost?
Curious.

>>42613981
Easy to get price for test E 250mg/ml is $110 for domestic express last time I checked, calculate based off dosage.

>>42613991
how much would a first timer dosage?

>>42614009
What purpose?

For 500mg a week, which is typically recommended you would need 3 vials.

When I was in Aus Id buy 1 vial at a time and order them from my source a week before Id need it (since Id get it 3 days after ordering).

>>42612660
>>42613941
that's not a thing. the acne comes from hormone fluctuation mostly. then there are some other things like estradiol but really it's mostly hormonal fluctuations (see: pct acne for example)

what you want is Accutane

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>>42614037
so with 250mg costing $110 and dosing at 500mg a week, you're roughly looking at $200 aud a week?

>>42614151
No its 250mg per ml, and 10mls per vial, so one vial lasts 5 weeks basically.

>>42614151
lol

I wish primo wasn't so damn expensive

>>42614177
Just buy eq and call it even

>>42614123
Im 2 month in on accutane

>>42614189
Just buy DHB and call it even

>>42614189
Never ran eq, is it any good? I may have to add it to my next blast

>>42614158
cheers brother, complete noob at this and want some more info/knowledge before I approach my coach with this shit lol.

>>42614198
I was going to say this hit dhb is still somewhat exotic.
>>42614204
Yeah I like it great. No water, good aesthetic.

>>42614244
Sounds good. Just what I need after this current test/deca blast.

What to do when you start to get sick on a cycle? Worst timing ever... Just hit the gym with light weights?

>>42614244
Meme source has it, raws and oil at 150mg/ml.

>>42614312
Whew 150 seems high I'm pinning 100mg/ml now and it's pippy

>>42614311
No, just rest until you feel better brah. I got food poisoning mid-cycle the other year, vomiting for days. Didn't lose much if anything in the way of gains though

>>42614360
If I don't hit the gym my mental health will take a hit, though. I felt sick yesterday, but when I was at the gym all the symptoms were gone.

What if it's just test flu?

on a cycle of 500mg test-e, 400mg deca, 30mg dbol
how should you use aromasin and nolvadex
and do u need caber?

>>42614371
I hear you, I feel the same if I miss workouts. It's really your choice, if you feel ok, go train

Natty here looking to get my feet wet with PEDs. What is the best SARM for putting on muscle mass, and do they require anything like PCT/AIs or can they just be taken alone?

>>42614410
Try lgd-4033 brah, it can cause shutdown apparently, I've always used it alongside aas though, so I'm not sure to what extent it actually shuts you down..

>>42614436
And no AI needed when running it solo. Probably need a short pct though. Lgd is the best sarm for mass

>>42614455
Oh yeah and don't get the caps, get the liquid from research companies.
This concludes my 5000 posts on lgd

>>42614455
What drugs would I take/how long for pct?

>>42614472
Nolva for 4 weeks at 20/20/10/10 or clomid at 50/50/25/25 should be fine

>sudden hypoglycemia attack
>sweating profusely, feel weak and lightheaded, can practically drop at any second
>had to buy a baton of wholegrain bread and chugged down 2 liters of chocolate milk
>feel good again
>the duck crown is finally finished as well as the sweet potato mash and beans
>I'm full as fuck and can't eat anything for a long time
>just dump it in the fridge

fuck.

>>42614472
Oh yeah and dose the lgd at 10mg a day for 12 weeks

>>42614376
fuck off retard

>>42607360
>t. has never taken a step out of Texas

Do you brahs think jon jones testing positive for tbol a day before a fight, but passing the tests days earlier is a setup? What reason would he have for taking it a day before a fight?

>>42614690
>What reason would he have for taking it a day before a fight?
he probably thinks that it will help him in the fight, he doesn't understand fully how steroids work

>>42614763
If that is the case he should be banned for stupidity.

Neue:

>>42614829

>>42601419
>>42597573
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4988681/

>>42615337
"AAS abusers " is such a broad category... someone on 300mg a week without a script is an abuser just like the 50 year year old who did 20 years of tren and deca.

This y u read bout wut u inject into ur butts gaiz

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>>42615337
Ok so the average usage duration was 6 years, of that 150 weeks total blast including 19nor compounds. Now look at this and tell me what you see. I see two guys who are 31 years old with 512 weeks (10 years) of blast. These two guys blasted for a decade straight and it says that 15% of the former users group only stopped using between 6 and 12 months ago. The other guys had normal test it's just these two outliers. What are the chances that those two are the ones who recently cycled off? Look at the overall trend. It actually increases your test ad you increase accumulated years of blast, except for those two low results.


Furthermore, they say that using an age matched population pool cohort analysis in this study, only 3.3% of former aas users have persistent low testosterone. Considering the study had 15% of guys less than one year out of using after an average of 6 years of use I'd say only 3% low is fairly reassuring...


Oh and the funniest part is the other study they cite as being similar had 37% of users with less than 12 months since last injection. Yeah no shit they had slightly lower levels. Test recovery is asymptotic. It approaches the limit rapidly at first but then slows down at the end.