The Testosterone crisis no one talks about

>>42267954
Fantastic. Now betas will have an even harder time.

Damn son thats fucked up.

Read this first : https://archive.is/SRfMp

Follow this then : https://archive.is/7vjtu

And then search, but be aware your testosterone should be

>700
>700

This is the magic number, PLEASE FIT, PLEASE LISTEN TO ME, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO ARE LETHARGIC, DEPRESSED OR FILL A BIG LACK OF ENERGY IN THE MORNINGS

ITS MOST LIKELY YOUR TESTOSTERONE!!

PLEASE GET IT CHECKED OUT!

I posted in a thread before, my brother is an MD and he knows this shit, ask me anything you want you hear me? I'll answer it as long as it is related to testosterone.

THE TAKE AWAY MESSAGE :

TESTOSTERONE IS WHAT MAKES A MAN A MAN, ITS ONE OFF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS.

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>>42267954
>tfw getting a Dr to even talk about testosterone replacement is like getting water from a stone because I'm just barely inside 'average' levels
>tfw this is the case even though I only have one testicle because I lost the other to cancer and the definition of average is so broad that I am closer to a reading of 0 than 'high average' and have almost every typical symptom of lowered testosterone levels
Should have just kepy both my nuts and let the cancer kill me

>>42267954
Easy fix. I identify as a woman who identifies as a man. I'll need a strong script for test paid for by the government, please.

>>42268070
SO?

WHAT ARE YOU DOING ABOUT IT? OR HAVE YOU GIVEN UP LIKE A LOW TEST BOY?

FUCKING WORK!

>>42268070
>a guy with one ball can't get test
What hope is there for the rest of us?

But hey, if you want to bolt some tits on to your chest and cut your dick off, they'll be more than happy to supply you with estrogen!

>>42268001
is it worth getting tested at age 23, i can't say that i "feel" low test but /fit/ has made me paranoid.

>>42268211
For someone using the name 'solution' you sure make a lot of noise and offer none.

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Low test thread?

>>42268358
Jesus H Christ man

>>42268001
Um no sweetie, that's called toxic masculinity.

>>42267954
Does your test get better as you lift weights or is it stuck at wherever it's at?

>>42268280
DUDE.

It's worth getting tested at any fucking age, in fact you should, in europe it's like 20 bucks, in the states I believe its like 130 but you can get saliva kits for like 15, not as accurate but you can diy.

Do it, I promise it's the best investment you can do!

>>42268335
Then do nothing, don't go to another doctor, don't search online, don't go and try hispanic doctors, don't try a solution.

You know what, do nothing, that's it, do nothing, nothing, you can just sit home and do nothing.

I offered a solution >>42267987

Follow that and you're fixed, unless you're an uniballer.

>>42268358
wtf that guy has no nipples

Does getting standard bloodwork done at the docs show test levels?

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>>42268211
I've actually got an appointment with a specialist (same guy who did the surgery actually) who is able to prescribe test replacement in late August. I had to book that appointment back in February. To compare the time frames, the time between finding out I had cancer and having surgery was less than a week.

>>42268249
Literally none. I not only have one nut but have most of the typical symptoms including depression so bad that I'm seeing a therapist on a weekly basis and I could barely get a GP to even talk about it. I had to wait until I had a yearly follow up with my oncologist who then referred me to the urologist (apparently only a urologist or endocrinologist can give you test replacement)

When I got a blood test through a GP to see if my levels had changed (my first test was only a few months after stopping chemotherapy which can have an affect on the result), he didn't even let me know when the results were back. I ended up calling because it was taking so long to hear and was told that they'd gotten the results back weeks ago and the Dr just decided to not follow up on it.
>mfw

If I have to fight this hard to get help, I pity anyone that needs it but doesn't have an obvious medical history to point to as a cause.

>>42268537
Don't think so mate, ask for it.

On TRT since January.

Fucking love it.

>>42268448
hmmmm it's only £29 in britbong land with a 1 day turnaround.... I might just get it done for peace of mind once i get paid at the end of the month.

So what are you saying is a good minimum?

>>42268249
Yeah what's the deal with this? Why is it so easy, or at least seem like it's easy and common for people to get estrogen but test is impossible?

>>42268455
post-op tranny

>>42268280
Cancer guy here,

Do it asap. I lost my nut when I was 23 (literally had the surgery on my 23rd birthday), I'm now 25 and still haven't gotten help for it yet (though hopefully soon)

Plus, if you wait until you're older they'll just say it's the natural decline in test from aging and you'll never get anywhere

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>>42268393
>>42268358
Fun fact, the twink here is actually a woman on test to transition

Anyone in UK got their test checked?

medichecks any good? doesn't say on site but I assume it only measures total, not free. Is that enough?

>>42268592
Brit, read : https://archive.is/SRfMp then read : https://archive.is/7vjtu , why didn't you just pay attention to my post here : >>42267987
I swear people are lacking attention more and more.

An Optimal level is around 700 for me, I feel like a fucking god at that level, I take no test to, all natural just a healthy routine and good food.

DO IT, DO IT NOW AND POST A SCREENSHOT HERE, I'll leave you my email and you can send me your results I'm willing to help you out! Is that ok with you?

>>42268565
Good, don't give up!

>>42268622
This is very weird as well.

Or not, I mean when you think off a for profit industry what do you think off? Pharma, Bayer sold HIV laced pills ffs.

Simple, Testosterone would fix a lot off problems, but it's more profitable to just give people ssris, prozac etc etc etc.

This come directly from a doc : http://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=13023.15

>>42268627
Fucking lies, there are currently 50 year old with around 1200 ng/dl walking around, that's straight fucking bullshit!

>>42268663
Sorry I can't help not in the UK, but it should be fairly easy.

fact: getting a vasectomy can increase your testosterone.

Think of how this benefits society, making sure you retards don't reproduce

Who cares? This is eugenic.

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>>42268669
I'm the Brit, you convinced me. Yeah sure send me the e-mail and I'll send you the results, should take a few days to sort out.

>>42268690
I never said it wasn't bullshit that they say 'well you're not in your prime any more so it's perfectly okay that you have the test levels of an old woman'. I'm just telling anon that is what they'll tell him if he waits

>>42268718
Shut the fuck up

>>42268726
I care, you fucking realize the high quality people currently spending their days as shut ins without any energy and anxiety strictly because they have a "normal" level off testosterone? This is a societal issue, especially after july 17 2017, This will be a huge problem in the future!

>>42267954
Why do you care about what some faggy doctor says is or isnt normal for testosterone?

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>>42268742
>high quality people
>natural low test

Does anyone know if test has been used to treat mtf gender dysphoria? To make them associate more male again instead of going the route of changing their gender

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>>42268565
>tfw third worlder
>tfw went straight up to a endocrinologist and asked to get test checked
>tfw 550
>tfw she said i was in normal range but still got me into test replacement since i asked
>start next week

feels good senpai

>>42267954
Thanks for the post and articles OP you've restored my drive to improve

>>42268733
Fuck yea, Eternal ally (I'm João)

email me at : [email protected]

I'll help you out with the results.

>>42268746
You should read my second post, read the links, or research.

>>42268754
You don't think that currently there's a male epidemic in advanced societies? Fertility and Testosterone levels have been dropping, kids and teenagers are spending more time siting inside, there are more virgins and virgins today, this is not due Allan there being born with a genetic predisposition to low testosterone, this is induced, the same way depression is a disease off civilization, so is super low testosterone.

>>42268777
I believe so.

>>42267954
This testosterone cures all fad is kind of a meme to sell TRT, you should test it a couple of times if you're on those borderline levels because it's so variable, also get a fucking complete panel of other stuff just to be sure. Wouldn't surprise me if there are a lot of retards who jumped on TRT or just ilegal roids and are carrying a fucking prolactinoma in their pituitary glands.

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>>42268798
Well done, a good optimal range is >650, I would say >700 from personal experience, get it tested again in a year or so, you'll start feeling better in no time, good luck and REMEMBER, improve it naturally as well! Google is your friend.

>>42268800
I'm honestly fucking glad I could help, I think men need to realize low or "normal" testosterone is a major problem today and a huge weight from someone that is a bad environment, it's a recipe for failure.

Fucking improve bro, go get it.

>>42268817
>You don't think that currently there's a male epidemic in advanced societies? Fertility and Testosterone levels have been dropping, kids and teenagers are spending more time siting inside, there are more virgins and virgins today, this is not due Allan there being born with a genetic predisposition to low testosterone, this is induced, the same way depression is a disease off civilization, so is super low testosterone.
It's very depressing that this is a huge crisis going on and it's not on anyone's radar. Anyone in a position of influence at least. Men in general really are highly disposable and tools and no one cares about us. Thanks for the thread OP, gave me a lot to think about.

Is it just me or does such a huge range of what is "normal" scream bullshit?
If your test is 300 your considered the sane as a guy whose test is over 1000?
Fuck off, men should have assloads of test.

What are actual signs of low test? I don't feel like going through the hassle of being tested.

I'm always overly energetic and am constantly horny, is that enough to quell any worry?

>>42268841
I completelly agree, It should be NOTED :

I'm not advocating for you to get TRT, instead improve your testosterone levels naturally, you can triple them naturally, (read my second post).

And, yes a complete panel is advisable if you want to start TRT, if not, thyroid and vit D3 would be my recs.

You don't need TRT to get from 254 ng/dl to 700.

>>42267987
Should I get my testosterone checked before or after I eat this testosterone diet?

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I think I'm low test but I worry about getting a testosterone boost because I don't want to lose my hair. Almost all of my male relatives were bald before my age but I still have a full head of hair. Pretty sure my low test is what's keeping my hair

>>42268817
>You don't think that currently there's a male epidemic in advanced societies? Fertility and Testosterone levels have been dropping, kids and teenagers are spending more time siting inside, there are more virgins and virgins today, this is not due Allan there being born with a genetic predisposition to low testosterone, this is induced, the same way depression is a disease off civilization, so is super low testosterone.
Who cares, I can't wait for the whole West meme to die off, thankfully there is only ~10 years left and that is generous.

TestShock program:
https://mega.nz/#!agBlXbYY!fxc5wrWrd9oqFeD-vGnhhAeINW2Xxo8GqiRC3G2Dt28

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>>42268852
I'm glad I helped you man, there is a very good book that talks about this, the cover is a kid looking at a tv, if anyone knows the name please link it here I can not find it.

>>42268854
It's absolute bull, check http://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=r1l8obofh63cbhvncv1i4u6dm3&topic=13023.0 read the first post carefully.

Get it at >650

>>42268860
Low energy
Apathy
Lethargy
Let's say you're at the gym, you will never feel 100% on your workouts
some hair loss
low sex drive (meaning your erections aren't always full)
Mood changes

But the problem you see, is not with low test, but "normal" test, I know this is a shock but if you've never had your test above >650 You've never felt like a real fully potentialized man.

To me, my confidence came, I didn't know I had one, my energy came I was like a fucking bull (still am), my anxiety fucking went away for good, I stopped caring what others thought, it's just great, and I want every male here to feel that, because that's what a man is supposed to be like, it's quite a realization knowing you spent your whole life living in a shell.

>>42268908
It's irrelevant really, the diet he did was pretty fucking healthy, eat a lot off brocolli and crucifurous vegetables, they contain Calcium Glucarate which is great for test, read more here : https://bodyecology.com/articles/detoxify_calcium_glucarate.php

>>42267954
testosterone is evil

>>42267987
Had a blood test for an unrelated thing. Found out my test is high 600s. Feels good.

>>42268940
Test and Balding are not related, there's more relation betwen heart disease, low vitamin D3 and hairloss than Test.

Mexicans for example have the highest test in comparison with whites and blacks, however they don't have much hairloss.

It's due to genetics.

AND NO, if anything your low test is gonna accelerate your balding. source : MD brother and a lot off research on my own.

>>42268952
You do you.

>>42269015
Thanks, I've actually been looking for this, his website is very helpful.

But you don't need this to double your test, follow my links from my second post.

>>42269073
Very good, my advice would be to try to get it naturally at around 1000 and see how you feel, there's nothing wrong with 1000 ng/dl, just try and find your optimal level, I'm in the process off raising mine atm, trying to get to 1100 ng/dl and see if I notice anything different in relation to sex and endurance.

>>42267954
What's so bad about being low T? I don't feel like barking "arf arf" when some rangers lead the way guy tells me to do something, sue me. I'd rather be chill and not die of a heart attack or stroke. Alphas are an outdated tribal wolfpack bullshit concept anyways. Anybody can put a .22 to an animal's head and feed themselves lol. Mild cardio omega master race

>>42267954
1. The Free testosterone value doesn't really matter that much. Bound is more important.
2. Docs that care about treating hypogonadism don't give a fuck what lab crop says. Only some plans of blue cross blue shield will actually look at the numbers before paying.
3. Wtf is a Prozac defiency? Prozac is a SSRI, and a lot of the symptoms of hypogonadism are similar to depression. In young adults recommending an SSRI would be the more likely case.
4. Do a little work and it is essy to find a Dr. that treats the symptoms and not the numbers. Try to find a urologist that focuses on hypogonadism instead of a family medicine Dr.
5. TRT is not going to turn you into Jeff Seid

-someone that actually works In the field.

Any California anons know good places to get tested? Can you do it at the chc place people only go to get free std checks

>>42269122
You don't know what you're talking about friend.

>I don't feel like barking "arf arf" when some rangers lead the way guy tells me to do something

Neither do I, what are you talking about?

The whole problem is that "normal" levels are being lowered meanwhile guys with these symptoms >>42269027 or not are walking around with SSRIs when their problem is a lack off 200 ng/dl of test that could be easily fixed.

Meanwhile they're fucking themselves up even more and they don't even know it, some doctors know about this like I said check this thread : http://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=r1l8obofh63cbhvncv1i4u6dm3&topic=13023.0

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>>42268798

>>42269183
Many people have been dealing with low t "symptoms" for thousands of years. They're called women.

>>42269076
>Test and Balding are not related
That is just not true. You can just hop on Google Scholar and find plenty of studies that have found a correlation between high testosterone levels and baldness.
My father and grandfathers are all MDs so your brother being one doesn't really persuade me at all

>>42269110
Oh I'd love to have it that high. I'm pretty sure when I was several years younger I was sitting close to that. Constantly wanted to fuck and felt very aggressive. It sounds scary but I also felt amazing. Not sure what I can do to increase test more, since I already eat clean, high protein diets and lift heavy regularly. Also began HIIT a few months back and try to eat supposed super foods like kale and blueberries on the regular. I could probably use a better sleep schedule but besides that...I don't know.

>>42269159
1. This is good advice, at what level would you consider advising someone to follow a routine that will achieve desirable test results? Is there a big focus on diet and lifestyle in your field or do you guys see a 300 ng/dl and tell him it's fine, or give him TRT?

"Prozac defiency" He's obviously being facetious, fact his a lot of kids are walking around on Welbutrin when they could have a better outcome with a preventive plan. (not shitting on SSRIS)

And I'm not advocating for TRT, I'm stating the fact that currently most men don't have their levels in the optimal range, droping the normal value to a measle 264 ng/dl is treturous.

Read : http://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=r1l8obofh63cbhvncv1i4u6dm3&topic=13023.0 and tell me what you think.

Any more advice you have?

>>42269162
If you're american I recommend doing this https://www.wellnessfx.com/performance test levels are included I believe.

>>42267954
Duh, no shit.

I was 11 nmol/L (I'm in the UK) and NHS range is 9 to 35. While that is "in range" the range is taken from a cross-section of the population.

11nmol/L is average for an 85 year old man...

I now inject test, and it is the best thing I've ever done.

Good news is that in developed nations like the UK where steroids are perfectly legal, a lot of research is being done into using test instead of anti-depressants to treat male "depression" and "anxiety" which is most often caused by a drop in test levels.

In a backward brainwashed nation like the US where steroids are illegal you might have more of a problem, but nevermind eh? Just get it illegally.

>>42268663
Go to your GP.

Tell him your planning on steroid use, and want a base reading first. Report low-test symptoms to him (lie if you need to).

A GP has a duty of care, so should give you bloodwork before, during, and after your cycle/PCT. Mine is.

Failing that, a lot of people I know use Medichecks and they're regularly mentioned on a popular UK steroid forum. A bit of a pain draining your own blood, but doable.

Last time i checked my test was 567ng/dL

>>42269207
It's actually high DHT levels, so yeah, test is to blame, but you don't have to be "high test" to go bald.

Genetics is the big factor though really - a lot of guys thinking about doing test worry it will cause them to lose their hair. It can do, but only if you were going to lose it anyway, it just hurries things up a bit.

I'm 11 weeks into my first cycle and if anything my hair is thicker!

>>42269239
I've been doing mindfulness meditation 2 months now, I would be lying if I said I don't feel like a fucking god.

Check this out : http://www.ergo-log.com/testosteroneboosters.html have at it!

Also check your cortisol levels, some people use ashwagandha, procede with caution.

btw it feels fucking great getting that inner sense off aggression doesn't it mate?

>>42269207
It's genetic, your test levels will influence baldness to the extent off the gene being turned on or off, I'd rather have high test rocking a buzzcut than low test, and I had both very low test and very high test, teenager years were a rumble.

>>42269316
I'm not that anon but how can i lower my cortisol level? Last time i checked it was way above average. Idk if that has something to do with this but my hair is falling like crazy.

>>42269274
Good going mate, never needed Test, just boosted it naturally but I'm fucking glad your on the top off your game.

Also Europe is somewhat retared, adderall for example is banned here, for a layman you might think oh that's great but for someone with adhd its hell, since not every medication works, if you're out off options here you're essentially fucked for life.

But you're not in Europe anymore :)

>>42269313
I want to elucidate on this, has anyone read Hair like a fox? I heard it was a new approach to balding.

>>42269353
Sure.

I recommend you take this : https://www.amazon.com/Gaia-Herbs-Adrenal-Support-Phyto-Caps/dp/B0036THML2/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8 and see how you feel, very good brand.

Then start following this program : https://archive.is/7vjtu

Also make sure you get 8 hours off deep sleep, install a sleep tracker on your phone and analyze it, take zinc and magnesium before bed, catch at least 30 minutes off sun in the morning and if possible meditate, I recommend Sam harris guided meditation you can find it on youtube.

Oh and try to follow your circadian rythm.

>>42267954
>>42267972
>>42267987
>>42268070
>>42268622

My stepsister transitioned to a man, is given testosterone and now "her" levels are higher than the average mans, yet an ACTUAL MAN can't receive test.

>>42269316
Funny you mention meditation, because I've dabbled for the past year or so for other reasons. I've heard of ashwagandha, never gave it a shot.

And yes, feeling aggressive is great. It makes you not settle for bullshit. Not just other people's bullshit, but life's bullshit. I attribute it to my attempt at starting a business. How that works out we'll see, but I feel like I'm grabbing life by the balls.

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>>42267954

Reminder that high Testosterone perpetuates rape culture.

Reminder that high Testosterone creates toxic masculinity which is largely responsible for women, transfolk and minorities being unsafe at work and at home.

Reminder that women really will be as strong as men soon if testosterone levels keep dropping, so overall it's just better all round for humanity in the long run.

>>42269258
If someone comes in w/ a Cc and Sx of hypogonadism and they already have had labs done, they will get a Rx for test, most likely along with Hcg. The we set them up for repeat peaks and troughs labs to stabilize hormone levels, check on E2, and find what the optimal injection schedule is.

I agree with what I read from that link. We get a lot of patients that get their lab work done by their PCP and since its in the range they tell the Pt it's normal you are just getting old tough luck. That is why I recommend for people to do a little research into what Doctor they are going to see. You're average PCP/FM/Endo is not going to give a fuck about low T. I recommend urologists over endos, since we deal with all male sexual health and Genitourinary problems.


And too testicular cancer guy, it shouldn't be a problem for you to get testosterone. A urologist did your orchiectomy, I would make an appointment with them to discuss it.

>>42269415
It's curious isn't it everyone?

How you can get easily estrogen because it always comes packed with surgery and months and months off medical bills, essentially you're not buying estrogen but a lenghty and costly process.

But if you wan testosterone just to get your levels up (because you haven't researched how to do it naturally) it's a big no no, an easy and cheap fix, no no.

I'm just conspiring, as always though follow the money, especially in pharma.

>>42269435
This is what I want everyone to feel like, because it's our natural state! Fukin A OP.

PS : If you ever get a kid make sure the mom walks a lot during pregnancy and eats some crucifurous vegetables (without pesticides) thank me later when he comes out with a defined jaw line (know this because off a study I read long ago.)

>>42269474
Hey! Nice melons, bitch

>>42269517
Very interesting, would you mind contacting me via email to : [email protected] ? I'm working on a resource guide for people and I would like to learn more, especially from another doctor, would that be fine? I would contact you in about 4 months.

Thanks for the info, again, very cool.

>>42269521
Just re read my first reply, I would like to point out I'm not a big conspiracy guy, but pharmas track record is literally the worst in any industry, http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/22/business/2-paths-of-bayer-drug-in-80-s-riskier-one-steered-overseas.html

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>>42269474
That's a beautiful painting OP, have this in return, don't get scared it might be to masculine.

Made me laugh

>>42269595
I'm not a doctor yet. I'm in medical school and was a scribe in a Urology group for 2 years.

>>42268070
Start roids, ez fix

how do I get my test levels checked in the UK my pajeet GP will no way do a blood test for me the fucking snake

>>42269658
I would still like to keep in touch, if you want to just shoot me an email. Cheers.

>>42269732
check

>>42268733

>>42269750
nice, will be ordering soon

>>42269785
Shoot me an email to, I will help you out.

all right, you've convinced me to get it checked. Where can I get it checked in the states, how do i convince my doc i need more test, and if i can't convince my doc, where do I get test. Also, thanks OP, people like you are the reason i still come on this board

>>42269982
also, how does it feel at 700 test, I want to ascend

>>42270035
and any links on how to get it up naturally?

>>42270045
Look on artofmanliness.com
That guy doubled his test in 3 months

>did blood test because I was sick
>semi-jokingly ask doc to check test as well
>it's literally just another checkmark on the form that he gives to the lab
>he says fine
>get results
>440
Fucking Hell. I'm 24 years old, I'm at a healthy bodyfat, I lift, I eat clean, I sleep 8-9 hours every night, I have almost no stress factors in my life. There's very few things I could do that potentially increase my test naturally.
Granted the test was after being sick for a week, so that could have affected it.
>Asked doc to do a re-test after I'm well again
>No, everything's normal, just the sickness affected a few markers, no reason to test again
(I also had not fapped for 4 months at that point. Now I'm back to fapping every couple of days to once a week and I'm a lot hornier and regularly get morning wood. So I guess I should be fine. Still would be nice to see a good number black on white)

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What do you guys think his t level was?

>>42267954
fuck the docs
fuck the law
buy underground lab test e 250mg/ml
inject inject 1ml/week

and voilà welcome to alpha manhood

>>42267954
>It already pains me when a man presents to his traditional doc with all of the classic hypogonadal symptoms and a testosterone level of 370 ng/dL (with current range 348 - 1197) and is told he has "normal" testosterone
This was unironically me

>>42269474
hnghhh oh God, am I going to fap to a painting?

>>42269982
That's nice!

I'm not from the US, so a google search should help you, I would recommend this full panel if you know what you're messing with : https://www.wellnessfx.com/performance

>>42270045
Dude, please pay attention : >>42267987
There.

>>42270035
See : >>42269073
>>42269110
>>42269239
>>42269316

It feels right, imagine suddenly turning super sayan, that's how it feels to me, lets just say I feel like I don't recognize my old self, read the whole thread carefully.

>>42270161
You seem stressed brah
I havent had my t levels checked, but im never upset or emotional regardless of my circumstances and i do the stuff you said
I also spend a lot of time in the sun (aim to be outside for at least 2 hours and get a full tan -- tans have been shown to radically affect t levels)
You should also meditate and look into foods that target T. Garlic has a thing called allicin that activates if you crush it and leave it for 10 mins then eat within 2-3 mins that supposedly triples T. I started getting morning wood again after I ate 2 tsps of this every day and spent hours outside

>>42270161
I'm gonna help you out, chill man.

Here's what I want you to do :

1. Find out in your area where you can get your test checked, you can do this for example : https://www.wellnessfx.com/performance, google is your best fucking friend.

2. I read a while ago about nofap decreasing test after a certain X days, I have to look carefully into that, anyway.

3. See these 3 guides :

>https://archive.is/7vjtu
>http://spartantraveler.com/testosterone-diet-2015/
>https://www.testshock.com/how-to-naturally-raise-my-testosterone/

Things I want you to also checkout.

https://www.anabolicmen.com/how-to-increase-testosterone-levels-naturally/

and I want you to ctrl + f for ergo in this thread and see that link.

Read all of that carefully.

Also, avoid bpas and tin cans, as for tap water I have to read the literature, but I know there's some degree off estrogen, a reverse osmosis filter would be ideal.

How are your Vitamin D3 levels? Do you catch a lot of sun?

>>42270243
Also if you add some orange juice on top it makes a good aphrodisiac bomb :)

>>42270193
Def not in the current normal range, it's impossible to estimate from looking at him, around the 1000s I'd say.

Fucking love Arnold.

>>42270313
Hey man, I'm >>42270243
Can you tell me what it means when I have the symptoms mentioned but I rarely get random boners? I haven't fapped once in my life nor do I have a history of porn. I have a pretty high libido but it's only active around women and I have control over my boners, like I can mentally will myself to have one. Is this low T or just a result of lifelong nofap?

>>42270395
Meant to reply to >>42270313 instead of my own post

>>42270395
I honestly don't know, you seem like a healthy guy, my advice would be to check your levels, won't hurt you.

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>become a firefighter
>work 24 hour shifts
>routinely get up for calls 1-5 times a night
>never sleep all night work
>after 3 years of this
>energy levels are shit
>super irritable all the time, last gf left me because of it
>have lost my erection a few times during sex
>but I'm only 27

I have another ff friend who is 32 and got his levels checked and they were low 300s and they wouldn't prescribe him test. I know I should get tested but I feel like my age alone will probably stop them from helping me. I'm scared to go the illegal route desu

>>42270486
>super irritable all the time
EWF, big symptom here pal.

Listen, READ THIS THREAD FROM TOP TO BOTTOM, VERY CAREFULLY, read this at least : >>42270313

You don't need doctors and you don't need TRT, ffs you're 27, you should be active and healthy and full off energy, there are currently high test 60 year olds doing gymnastics and getting gilfs like they were in they're 20s (I'm sure of this).

Again man, read the whole thread carefully and take notes, I can guarantee you this contents on this thread are all you need.

Here's something to scare you a little to get you into action :

Canadian researcher Marty Mrazik, PhD, who is based at the University of Alberta, says that the hormone testosterone may be the progenitor of superior intelligence. This is an entirely new angle in the debate, analysts comment.

According to Mrazik, having too much testosterone can have an increased level of intelligence as a side-effect. But this is just one among others, such as for example being more aggressive overall.

It's open to debate..

Good luck, fucking go at it mate, you're all gonna make it soon enough.

>>42270243
Nah I'm fine.
I've been tanning almost daily for 3 months, got a nice tan now - not "wow you're dark dude"-tan, but I'm pretty light skinned anyways - I used to be basement-dweller pasty white year round.
Does the garlic thing work if I just add it to the food I cook? Or do I have to eat it raw? That wouldn't be a problem for me, but adding it to my meals would be a lot more convenient.

>>42270313
>nofap
My libido went to shit after some time. Now that I'm back to fapping semi-regularly, I'm horny as fuck all the time.
>D3
I try to spend as much time outside as I can every day - if the weather allows it. I also supplement with D3 and Zinc.
>BPAs
Yeah I try to avoid plastics as much as I can. I drink out of a glass bottle. And most food I eat is either from my own garden, or organic and bought in paper bags.
>tin cans
Barely ever eat anything out of tin cans. I have some beans, those say "BPA-free". Once I open them I store them in a porcelain bowl though.
>tap water
I drink like 3 liters of tap water per day...

Overall, I'm not really worried that my test is too low. I got 440 after a week of being totally sick, almost didn't eat or sleep, didn't exercise, didn't go outside much, etc.

As for diet, seems low-carb is a good idea. I'll definitely look into that. I just feel my performance suffers a lot if I don't get a load of carbs before lifting.
I already avoid sugar as much as I can already.

>>42270395
it's lifelong nofap, it's not low T. You're a nofap dream, enjoy it anon.

>>42267954
>LabCorp's previous reference interval was adopted from a 2011 study that included a population of lean healthy males

>LEAN, HEALTHY

There you go. Basically, just fucking do sports and don't get fat and your test will be alright. This also dispels the doctor's concern: If his patients show up weak and fat and he prescribes them test then he's just a bad doctor. He should encourage them to get fit and lose weight and their test would go back up naturally.

>>42267987
my test is around 300 and my doc said it's nothing to be concerned about because it varies. what can i do? i'm from eu btw

>>42270588
Honestly please follow my advice and get it checked, it seems you're horny all the time so you should be good but it doesn't hurt to get it checked, If I had a 400 level I would try to reach at least 700, you'll feel different.

>>42270604
Yea.

From leddit :

So the current (soon to be former) standard is based on LEAN men up to 40 years old and the new standard is based on healthy non-obese men up to 40 years old.
Lean and non-obese are very different body types.
It's hard not to think that this is just another way to reign in "toxic masculinity" and shit on men. Just making it harder for men to feel like men, and setting a new standard to keep men docile and broken.

>>42270417
>>42270597
Thanks senpai.
>>42270588
Has to be raw, I know that cooking it kills allicin. I just eat it straight

>>42270625
You should first check my second post and read both links :

>>42267987

You'll find out why you're doctor is sadly (doctors know a lot) mistaken and why you should take matters in your own hands.

And then you should carefully read this whole thread because it's full off great content.

From a doctor if you haven't read the first post :

It already pains me when a man presents to his traditional doc with all of the classic hypogonadal symptoms and a testosterone level of 370 ng/dL (with current range 348 - 1197) and is told he has "normal" testosterone levels and his problem lies elsewhere (such as a Prozac deficiency as opposed to Testosterone deficiency...sarcastic). Imagine now a man presenting with a testosterone level of 270 ng/dL and told the same?!?!

Also get your test checked obviously, if you're in the Eu it's very cheap.

Testbrah, do you know if music can affect test levels?

>>42270654
Yeah, I'll definitely get it checked. Just have to convince my doc (who's my uncle) that it's for a good reason.
When I asked him whether I should do another blood test once I was no longer sick he acted as if that was a totally unreasonable request.
I mean - besides Inflammation everything was "fine", so his reasoning is understandable...

I know Stan Efferding is a big proponent of regular blood tests, I'll look his stuff up on how often and what markers I should have tested and then I'll get back to the doc and try to convince him that I need to get a full health check.

>>42270743
Music can affect test levels, and almost exclusively negatively. If you're paranoid about your test levels literally stop listening to music. No joke. Sadly I can't find the image, guess I didn't save it.

>>42270781
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzCbsw3WgTk

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>>42270743
A quick google search led me to this : http://www.testofuel.com/tf/can-music-boost-testosterone/

Read the sources, never trust anyone reading studies for you brah, godspeed.

>>42268622
>Why is it so easy, or at least seem like it's easy and common for people to get estrogen but test is impossible?

because (((they))) want society to become more feminized, not more masculine.

>>42268871
>You don't need TRT to get from 254 ng/dl to 700.
You can improve tour test naturally by that much? Wtf?

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>>42270781
There's a pudmed study on it ;

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14523353 but it's not just music, a true arvark would stop with any stimuli altogether and ascend the 1200 ng/dl.

>>42270758
Look at this company : https://www.wellnessfx.com

Not to shit on doctors but SOME off them are full off themselves and refuse to accept new information, I once took this very nice double placebo controlled study to my doctor and he refused to read it, look up the company above and take shit onto your own hands, accept responsibility only you can help yourself become your best.

Never heard off Stan before, look this up if you like preventive medicine : https://twitter.com/foundmyfitness she was on joe rogan, has a good website as well where you can get your genetic data decoded.

Good luck brah

>>42270871
This guy did it all with food : https://www.testshock.com/how-to-naturally-raise-my-testosterone/

Now of course everyone his different and I don't know if he's telling the truth, so read this :

>>42270313

But yes, you don't need TRT, there are 50 year with triple the test off 27 year olds.

>>42269595
>>42270313
BRO this shit is great. You should start a recurring general thread on test - modern civilization has ruined our health and it seems like nobody cares, we have to fight back

the take home message is what it's always been
you can't trust doctors same as you can't trust cops, politicians or any other authority figure

take matters into your own hands and work out what test dosage works for you

fuck kowtowing to your overpaid doctor with the oliver twist impression
buy your juice, tell the doctor what you're doing and nail him to that Hippocratic oath; either he runs your labs or he's got a death on his conscienense

>>42270872
Thanks m8.
I'm not in the US, so that company doesn't really help me...

Stan Efferding is a bodybuilder and powerlifter, he holds the title of "worlds strongest bodybuilder". He knows a ton about health and fitness, he's almost 50 and really takes care to optimize his health and performance
https://thekooler.com/pages/blood-test

>>42270946
The blood panel he recommends is 363 dollars is this normal?

>>42270946
Lipid Profile: Cholesterol, total; HDL cholesterol; LDL cholesterol (calculation); triglycerides; VLDL cholesterol (calculation).
Complete Blood Count (CBC) with Differential: (Hematocrit; hemoglobin; mean corpuscular volume (MCV); mean corpuscular hemoglobin (MCH); mean corpuscular hemoglobin concentration (MCHC); red cell distribution width (RDW); percentage and absolute differential counts; platelet count; red cell count; white blood cell count; immature granulocytes)
Estradiol, Sensitive
Hemoglobin (Hgb) A1c
C-Reactive Protein (CRP), High Sensitivity (Cardiac Risk Assessment)
Thyroid-Stimulating Hormone (TSH)
Gamma Glutamyl Transpeptidase (GGT)
Insulin, Fasting
Comprehensive Metabolic Profile (CMP) (includes eGFR): (A:G ratio; albumin, serum; alkaline phosphatase, serum; ALT (SGPT); AST (SGOT); bilirubin, total; BUN; BUN:creatinine ratio; calcium, serum; carbon dioxide, total; chloride, serum; creatinine, serum; globulin, total; glucose, serum; potassium, serum; protein, total, serum; sodium, serum.)
Luteinizing Hormone(LH)
Testosterone, Free (Direct), Serum With Total Testosterone
Sex Hormone binding Globulin, Serum (SHBG)
Urinalysis, Routine Profile: Color, appearance, specific gravity, pH, protein, glucose, ketones, occult blood, leukocyte esterase, nitrite, bilirubin, and urobilinogen. These tests are done on all routine urinalysis ordered and if protein, leukocyte, occult blood, nitrite, and turbidity are all negative, microscopic examination is not performed; just the above parameters are reported. (If results are abnormal test will reflex to include microscopic examination).
Follicle-Stimulating Hormone (FSH)
Magnesium, Serum
Thyroxine Free, Direct (FT4)
Ferritin, Serum
Prostate-Specific Antigen (PSA)
Iron, Serum w/TIBC: Percent of saturation; serum iron; total iron binding capacity; unsaturated iron binding capacity
Dehydroepiandrosterone Sulfate (DHEA-S)
Prolactin
Tri-iodothyronine Free (FT3)
Vitamin D, 25-Hydroxy

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>>42270909
I'm planning something big soon, dedicated to all the people on this site, it frustrates me (this will sound corny but who cares) the potential that I maybe see or Imagine from people on this site, especially this board, I legit want everyone to be at their best, I just try to look at the future and not be sad.

A litlle snippet since this thread has gone so great :

> This paper will give you a framework on how alzheimer works and how you can avoid it and possibly cure it if you catch it early, read the conclusion, it's amazing.

http://www.aging-us.com/article/100690/text

I can't give you any 100% guarantees but the conclusions are astonishing, look into table.1 (pic related) for the techniques used, read the whole paper to, very interesting, already started applying this to my aunt since alz runs in the family.

>>42270912
High test brah right here

>>42270991
Seems to be a normal price for a blood test that extensive in the US of A.
The one that the other anon >>42270872 linked costs even more

>>42270994
Seems like a good panel, and it's actually pretty cheap.

However I would recommend going to a doc you trust getting your regular bloodwork and then using something like wellnessfx if you want to see something specific, I'm sure there will be something like it in europe.

>>42271018
How much would it be if I went through my doctor and asked for the same things?

I have pretty good insurance

>>42271018
Yea wellness is pretty expensive, imo it's worth it, do it 2 times max if you choose to, they have other plans as well.

>inb4 shill

QUESTION

I actually just lost my primary care doctor because he went to some private group thing where you have to pay 1600$ a year to keep him as your primary. Since I'm young and haven't seen him in 3 years I obviously decided against this. How would I go about finding a primary who is cool with steroids?

>>42271028
I know that here the blood test is pretty much just a form from the lab where my doc ticks off the boxes next to what should be tested. I'll just take that list to him and hope that most of the things are available. Though I'll probably have to translate it first.

>>42269239
hey man do you mind sending me a detailed account on your mental and physical state with high test? send it to : [email protected]

I'll maybe use it in this >>42271006

Thanks man.

>>42271177
alright, be wary doctors are weary of testing individual vitamin levels for some reason.

At least from my personal experience.

>>42271006
Dude you are a saint.

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>>42271663
I'm glad I can help you ;)

>>42270572
I hate to be a conspiracy theorist there but I'm getting the impression that the people in charge and profiting off of us would lose a lot of money if men woke up and all increased their test dramatically. It's like they don't want us to be men which is why most don't know this is a crisis.

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So, my erudite brothers, can you help me understand

Males don't stop maturing til they are in their early twenties (difference in times between races)
So it would be optimal to be high test through puberty and early 20s for development, not forgetting the social benefits of being high test
BUT
I have heard that artificially enhancing T levels before you are ~25 can seriously affect or even totally stunt your natural production, and you'd have to coast on supplementary T til you die if you want anywhere near natural levels

What do? I want to take advantage of my last few years of growth and save the white race

>>42270161

> I'm 24 years old, I'm at a healthy bodyfat, I lift, I eat clean, I sleep 8-9 hours every night, I have almost no stress factors in my life

Then how were you sick for a week?

>>42270313

>See these 3 guides

Full of entirely made up broscience

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>>42272020
Who knows..

>>42272240
How old are you?

Just follow this guide : https://archive.is/7vjtu

Try to get your testosterone at around 700, and you're good.

Good luck, brother.

>>42272514
You're factually wrong, just letting you know, don't ruin this for people who want to get better.

How to cut without dramatically reducing your T levels? High fat/protein and low carb diet?

>>42272619
Wondering this too. All the articles in this thread have been useful and I know the types of food to eat but it all says to eat at a surplus not a deficit.

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>>42272619
>>42272644

Eat the foods on the guides above, carbs are not bad for testosterone.

Add this to your food : http://www.ergo-log.com/testosteroneboosters.html

Follow other things besides food :

https://www.anabolicmen.com/how-to-increase-testosterone-levels-naturally/


And you should be fine.

>>42271006
i like what you're doing mate, i'm going through this whole thread, all the links etc... keep this shit up and I might just get involved myself!

i hope your big thing goes well, any hints? i will let people i know , know.

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>>42272968
>i'm going through this whole thread, all the links etc...

Good man, real good, this is what I want people to do, break the conditioning as Alex Jones would say, there are a lot of truths to be found online, remember the internet is first and foremost a tool.

Do you know web development?

I don't want to talk much about the project.

Email me at : [email protected] if you know web development, I'll email you in maybe 2 to 3 months.

>>42272968
btw it's not a big complex thing, it's a static ish page.

In the complexity off : https://systemspace.link/

I will most likely learn web dev myself and have it done or pay someone good to do it the exact way I want it to, not requesting gibs here.

I am certain it's due to diet, honestly the health regulations in the U.S. are horrifying, everything you consume is filled with hormones and chemicals

>>42267954
Just taking TRT can actually increase estrogen levels in the long term depending on how your body processes test. It often gets oxidized in the body and turns into estrogen. The easiest way to change this is by eating more rosemary and turmeric as they change the pathway for metabolism and prevent the Test getting oxidized.

A blood test will only show up free Test in the body...ideally you want a saliva test to see how much Test is bound in the body...much more informative measure.

Also stay the fuck away from plastics. Additionally all the women on the pill have been peeing those hormones into the water for decades....water treatment doesnt do anything to reduce estrogen levels....its no secret fish and other marine animals are turning female at higher rates than ever before.

>>42273625
Jesus Christ that's horrifying. Am I just really out of the loop on all this or is it common knowledge? That is not good that there's so much estrogen in the water.

>want to get on test
>dont want my hair to all fall out

the struggle is real.

>>42274022
this is why the frogs are turning gay

>>42274077
it probably if you're "young"
for reference ask your bald male relatives at what age they started balding

>>42274112
it probably won't***

>>42272592

>don't ruin this for people

Don't mislead people and give them false hope with bullshit like "eat lots of bacon and eggs and you'll turn into a manly man." It's dangerous advice that doesn't help.

>>42274022
>>42274112
It's well known that exposure to xenoestrogens and other estrogen-disrupters can wreck all sorts of shit on fish and frogs, causing sex defects, intersex conditions, sex changes, etc.

It's not so much as exposure to birth control pills as other substances like phlathates, BPA and other industrial chemicals that are probably having this effect.

>>42274112
>this is why the frogs are turning gay
actually though, people make fun of alex jones for that but he's right, as in the hormones from birth control pills in our water system have been causing frogs and fish to spontaneously change sex

>>42274022
i dont think it is common knowledge but more and more people are becoming aware of the problem.

The birth control pill for women is crazy anyway...women can only get pregnant 6 days out of their 28 day cycle. Thats why things like natural cycles and daysy fertility calculator are becoming more popular.

>>42274149
>>42274154
I guess the future is female then

i started TRT when I was 19
am 21 now

it's all a meme

>>42273625
>water treatment doesnt do anything to reduce estrogen levels.

From Can Birth Control Hormones Be Filtered from the Water Supply?

“The best choice,” says Cathy Sherman of the natural health website Natural News, “would probably be a combination of a reverse osmosis filter augmented by pre- and post-activated carbon filters.” Installing such a system just for drinking water is sufficient, she says, given that water used for cleaning and plumbing doesn’t typically get ingested.

Also read this : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19445328

Laboratory conditions tough.

I wonder if rain water has any estrogen, fucking the whole world is infected.

>>42274077
You don't need to get on test to raise test levels.

Is your uncle from your mother side bald? if not you're a ok

>>42274166
for certain frog and fish populations. You can just filter your water. Reverse osmosis if you have money, carbon if you don't.

Rampant dysgenics is the norm nowadays, obviously liberals don't bring up real problems.

>>42274204
the only conservative or liberal I've heard talking about this is alex jones though

>>42274146
baka just go to another board

>>42274171
Why the fuck would you start TRT at 19, at 19?! Jesus.

I'm not advocating for TRT, especially that freaking young.

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>>42274213
This shit will be a big problem in the future.

Pic related I guess.

>>42274220

My test was 160-190ng/dl
currently sit at over 1300

Does anybody have any experience with spit tests instead of blood tests?

>>42274220

>baka just go to another board

If you really want to help people, give practical advice. Don't delude yourself, spread misinformation, and try to shoo away anyone who calls you out on it.

>>42274248
>160-190ng/dl
Jesus what did you do? How did you feel?

>>42274254
I don't think they're as accurate.

>>42274255
I'm not giving any misinformation, read the thread, I've lived this myself and so did various posters on this thread.

Almost 1 am im gonna sleep

>>42274255
I don't get what you're saying is impractical. The links in here just mention eating meats, eggs, healthy nuts, lots of green vegetables, upping vitamins and fish oil and getting more sun. That sounds like solid stuff to me.

>>42268070
I suggest you acquire some T via the channels /fraud/sters do and self-prescribe TRT for a bit. That'll crash your natural production. Come off and then go to the doc. You'll be less than 200 for sure.

>>42270895
>But yes, you don't need TRT, there are 50 year with triple the test off 27 year olds.
So...a 50 year old man has 600*3=1800 ng/dL and you're going with "he's natty?"

>>42274288

>I'm not giving any misinformation

The archive link you gave is an anecdote of a guy who, based on one study he didn't read correctly, ate an unhealthy diet in addition to a bunch of vitamin, mineral, and herbal supplements, and high-intensity exercise, then suggested that eating bacon was what contributed to the test gains he saw, and that his LDL score of 112mg/dl was just fine. This same guy thinks nuts raise testosterone because he thinks they have cholesterol.

>>42274308

It's a mix of some good advice (getting adequate vitamin D, getting adequate zinc and magnesium) with some terrible diet advice based on broscience.

Imagine I wrote an article about how to get better sleep. "Get atleast an hour of exercise each day, take valerian root tablets, turn off electronic devices a few hours before bedtime" and then added in "make sure to drink soda throughout the day" and made up some broscience about the sugar increasing seratonin production and making it easier to sleep. The diet advice is shit, the other advice is fine. When it's all lumped together in one article, it's not worth posting.

>>42274387
Dude there are 27 year olds with T levels in the 200s, and there are 50 year olds with T levels in the 1000s

>>42267954
my balls never started working right so i have to do shots once a week, my trough level (blood test the day before your next t shot) is in the 500s. is that a good level?

>>42267954
Hmm it seems that in a short time span the human male has suddenly stopped producing normal levels of testosterone, and we should immediately put millions of men who feel a little tired on TRT.

No wait, that doesn't sound very smart now does it.

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>>42274438
you're right, instead we should do blood tests on these men who feel a little tired, and if they have low testosterone levels they can get on trt. I'm not sure how that isn't reasonable.

>>42274426
Check the other links, I posted 3 successful cases, I've done the same myself, you're gonna tell me what worked for me and 3 other people shouldn't be followed by others, just trow it out the window.

Diet plays a huge role in testosterone, this isn't anything new.

BTW everyone I'm sure is already aware off this : http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/sperm-count-declining-north-america-europe-australia-1.4220661

Just came out.

>>42274461
if i'm on trt due to having non functioning balls, do i need to worry about diet?

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Yall faggots need estrogen, worked for me

>>42274438
That's not what I implied, jesus this thread was good when the Americans were asleep, you people always find a way to ruin everything.

Anyway, I'm going to sleep, gnight everyone.

Figure this one out : http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/sperm-count-declining-north-america-europe-australia-1.4220661

>>42274426
Okay I get what you're saying. Thanks for the clarification anon.

>>42274461

All the links say basically the same things.

>eat this unhealthy diet that there's no reason to think will help you in any way
>and at the same time take all these supplements and exercise a lot, which probably will help
>but take all the information as one package and do all of it instead of just the bits that are likely effective and at least safe

>>42274460
I got my levels measured a couple years ago when i bought into the low test meme, my testosterone was at the level of an 80 year old man. I was under a lot of stress back then, working out was shit, everything was shit. Things are better now. I feel good and strong, I sleep and eat better. Now imagine if my doc had put me on TRT instead of telling me to fix my real issues? I would be dependant on a drug and probably continued my unhealthy lifestyle, until another system of my body would've crashed. Fact is that the human male has suddendly not evolved to produce less testosterone, but that many men live a rather unhealthy lifestyle.

>>42274192
one is bald and the other isn't.

At what age is it safe to take testo?
Im 18, so there is still a chance i might grow a bit.

>>42274581
Don't take roids until you're at your full height or ok never getting taller.

>>42274546
well I'm glad it worked out for you. But for a lot of people the cause isn't mainly lifestyle factors, but chemicals from plastics, and hormones which are not properly filtered from the water. Especially if the damage is done in puberty, that doesn't necessarily go back to normal. Furthermore, there is a large natural range. A man can naturally have 400 ng/dL or can have 100 ng/dL while being healthy. If someone naturally has iron deficiency would you say they should not supplement with iron? For sure, one could put in effort into diet changes to maximize iron, or the same for testosterone of course. But the effect on your body of raising testosterone by diet vs by drug is the same, so for a person with a healthy diet and low testosterone I assume you would support the use of trt?

>>42274472
this post inspired me to get my test levels checked and do whatever I can to raise them. Fucking modern-day 'men' turning voluntarily into women, sickening

>>42274643
Why? I like being a girl way more then i liked being a manly man

>>42274620
>for a person with a healthy diet and low testosterone I assume you would support the use of trt?
I'm not an endcrinologist so I'm not the right person to comment on who should be on trt, but I don't think a man should suffer either if every natural method has been tried unsuccessfully. There are legit cases of hypogonadism, but there is also a low test meme going on that is causing many guys to search for an "easy fix".

>>42274676
you're not a girl though, and you DEFINITELY were never a manly man to begin with. Kys

Can I identify as a woman who identifies as a man and needs test to achieve it? Reckon that would work?

thanks based anon

>>42267954
Mentioned this to my doctor and was told "lol nah ur fine don't believe the internet"
Where do I go from here?

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>>42274676
>I like being a girl

Except you're not. You have a sissy fetish and you're gay. Nothing wrong with that, just stating facts.

>>42275043
Listen to your doctor

So why is the average test level in the west decreasing? Is it the chemicals? Is it so etching the govt is doing on purpose? Is there a greater purpose behind it? Not to be pol but shoild I get some sort of water purifier for my sink?

I Live in Toronto Canada btw

>>42275149
I didn't even get tested. I was only asked if I still get horny, basically

>>42269415
If you are not producing testosterone naturally, are you even a man?

>>42275248

Being fatter = less testosterone. The more obese people get, the lower avergae test will be.

>>42267954
I tested in the 200s and my doc wouldnt give me shit

>>42270486
Suck it up dude. I've been a FF Paramedic in San Diego for 4 years, I work B shift and we get forced overtime every damn week. Train more. Drill more. Wake the fuck up.

>Aggressive
>Very hairy
>well defined face
>Put on muscle very easily
>Anger issues
>Only 5'7

I was gifted with incredible test, but not with height. Such is the mysteries of god.

This is possibly not directly fixable by just a change in diet but is there any way to reduce cortisol levels? I have an absurd amount of cortisol due to stressing over basically everything and it seems like it's counteracting my testosterone increases

>>42268854
What you guys don't understand about test levels is that they fluctuate throughout the day, depending on activity. Your test levels will be on the lower end during those 8-10 hours you sit in front of the computer and much higher during a sustained physical effort.

>>42267954

OP instead of screaming at us like a retarded austist, why don't you calm down and help us understand.

First of all, WHY are men losing testosterone?

Secondly, what can be done to repair our testosterone levels naturally?

I await your reply.

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>tfw it's easier for trannies to get Test than deficient males
brb moving to a third world shithole where this shit is over the counter

I feel some symptoms of low t, but I have a way too high sex drive (bordering on addiction) and I'm already too aggressive which leads to trouble at the bars every week. Will TRT make these traits even worse, or will it be fine?

>>42267954
Gentlemen, art of manliness did an experiment on test.

http://www.artofmanliness.com/2013/01/16/normal-testosterone-levels/

He doubled his. Read it and adapt the shit to your lifestyle.

>>42275791

See >>42274426

How do you ensure that the water you're drinking is free of estrogen? I drink out of a glass jug and process it further through a tap water filter (as estrogen isn't filtered out in the plant filtration system) but are there any additional measures to take?

Going to get my T levels checked in a couple weeks, what can I do to lower my test levels as much as possible temporarily so I can get low enough levels to get on T?

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Guide to avoiding estrogens

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>>42276099
Fuck this society where there is estrogen in fucking everything and you have to obsess and bench over backwards to avoid it, or just give up and say "ok, I guess receiving a %10 tranny hormone treatment every day is not that bad taking into account the context."

>>42276099

How much of this is true or useful is anyone's guess, but it reads like some paranoid shit.

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>>42271006
Holy shit m8, this is the highest quality thread i have ever seen on fit. I've been binging on Dr. Rhonda Patrick's podcast and appearances on Joe Rogan and she's succeeded in getting me into deep nutrition and human optimization at the level of cellular biology. Seeing the work you're doing and that you care enough to run this thread excites me, and the image you posted as a preview has got me interested in your next big thing. A list of specific actionable items for specific issues/outcomes is useful as fug. I saved the whole thread so I can go back and read it again tomorrow after it disappears.

>>42274426
butthurt vegan detected.
nutritionfacts.org is great and all, but when you're optimizing your diet to achieve the outcome of not dying of heart disease, any amount of exogenous cholesterol intake is a mortal sin. If you're optimizing your diet for Test production, things are a bit more complex. There are trade-offs involved here. Optimizing test production might mean having slightly less pliable arteries than you would like. If you're only interested in lording your nutritional preferences over people trying to optimize their diets for a different outcome than you, then pls get >>>/out/ and stay out. If you'd like to discuss the complexities of human metabolism and biochemistry, you're welcome to hang around. :DDD

>>42274426
>t. low test vegan beta

>>42268726
you obviously have low test bud, you should care

GUYS

I did a blood test and check up few days ago

Tomorrow i gotta go see the results. Will my blood test state the test levels? Or did i fuck up by not asking for it beforehand

>>42276271
My guess is 0%

So low test people stay low test?


Great my bloodline will succeed

>>42268070
excercise produces fucktons of testosterone, work that little nut

>>42276294

You're assuming a lot from that post and asserting too much to make your own point. There's no basis for eating such a bad, fatty diet. The idea that eating lots of cholesterol and saturated fat will optimize test production is not a scientifically backed concept. The evidence given in that art-of-manliness article is one observational, non-experimental study done on 12 guys where half of them had no difference in testosterone levels even at double the fat intake, and some studies on leydig cells in rats. I can understand someone trading certain aspects of health to better suit other goals they have but in this case there's no benefit.

>>42276427
The only info my doctor sends me from the yearly blood test is cholesterol levels. The jews would prob charge extra for the rest.

>>42275791

I mean, the easiest way to keep your T-high (and the reason the reference level got lowered) is to not be a fatty.

>>42267954
thread is tldr. something about test levels being noramly higher in the past. now they're shit but it's normal shit. so we're supposed to do something or something.

tl'dr

>>42272484
That was literally the first time I got seriously sick (i.e. besides the occasional light flu) in a very long time. I had an "intestinal bacteria" - dunno if that's the expression in english. Basically I shit liquid for a week and had to take antibiotics.

>>42268798
Brah, my levels 360 at 20 years old and it's practically impossible to get on trt legally

>>42267987
>>42270313
How to increase test:
>low-ish carbs
>medium to high carbs
now what is it?

>>42275145
jesus fuck

>>42269595
Seriously good material here m8 keep up the good work. Maybe consider adding a /naturaltest/ general here with some good sticky material?

Brah's it's 30 euro's to check free test and 29 euro's to check bound test.

I have only enough money for 1, which one should i do?

>>42267987
I got tested, even saw an endo. My levels were like 250? Think it was even lower than that.

Despite my low levels, he said I was just fat, and needed to lose weight. I didn't have a problem because I have a big full beard.

6'3" 320ish then. Around 307 now.

>>42277520
You should test total, free and bound
The individual levels are much more telling in relation to each other

>>42277547
Yeah if you're fat that will have an effect.
You should be between 10-15% bodyfat if you want to have your test not affected by your weight

>>42277575
damn, i should get it tested by a doctor instead then. Problem is, i haven't been to the doc in over 17 years. What do i tell him? Just the standard issues with low test?

My family tells me he is very relaxed though.

>>42277575
I've been wondering if it would be a good idea to focus my diet less around weight loss and more towards eating the type of test-boosting stuff outlined in that AoM article.

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why am i seeing normal range as between 175 and 746ng/dL?

also this is me right before starting HRT. might be interesting to someone.

just 1hour ago i have read a news article that men in western society are getting more and more infertile over the last decades.

we will get outbread and nobody talking about this.

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>>42277690
6 months of HRT

>>42277608
You basically have two options.
Either you go directly and say "I might have low test, can I get it checked"
Or you go for a more general blood test "just to see if I'm healthy". There's a list in this thread somewhere with things you should get tested for a complete view of you health.

>>42277623
At your weight, fat loss is still the number one priority. But those two aren't mutually exclusive. You can still eat bacon and eggs, you just have to reduce calories elsewhere. A low-carb or keto-style diet would be an option here.

>>42277690
There's a bunch of different "normal ranges". When I took the test it was like 300-850

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>>42277690
>>42277718
then it looks like they changed the formatting of the test results, but look. it shows normal range for 20 - 49 year old men as 249 - 836ng/dL

in 2015

>>42277745
>There's a bunch of different "normal ranges". When I took the test it was like 300-850
oh i see. so the entire premise of this thread is bullshit then? lol.

>>42277711
>Outbread
Nobody can eat as much bread at the West.
Nobody.

>>42277761
No it isn't.
There simply is no consensus among institutions and countries as to what's the "normal range".
And it's also different which age range is included. Yours says 20-49, the one in the OP is 18-39 iirc.
There's also differences in how the data is collected, and what criteria apply. Testosterone levels are affected by many factors and especially today, very very very few people manage to have a lifestyle that's free of negative influence and full of positive aspects.
The point of this thread is that we should not aim to be "within normal range", but to reach an ideal level.
For most people here, who lift and are interested in optimizing their health, they should compare their T levels to
"18 - 39 year old males, who are lean, exercise regularly, eat a clean diet, rarely drink alcohol, sleep 9 hours every night, have a healthy sex life, etc etc"
instead of
"18 - 39 year old males with a BMI below 30"

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>>42268846
>mfw that pic on the lower right reminds me of a joke of a guy telling that he cut his long hair when he realized that the end was starting to get poop on it from the morning shit

>>42268654
>this is what the #SwoleLeft looks like

This whole thread is freaking out about totsl test numbers but the boys at /fraud/ have told me more than once that free test is the number you should be looking at. If that number is low, doesn't matter how high or low your total test is.

>>42268798
What kind of gains were you making at 550?

I remember when I was severely depressed I got my test levels checked and they were around 270 or something ridiculously low. Doctor just said 'hmm well your testosterone is low but not lower than normal'.

Doctors are crocks man. So much can be improved by diet, exercise, lifestyle and supplementation if necessary.

For anyone suffering with depression, 5 htp and lithium orotate are amazing supplements to try. They still don't beat sunlight, socialising and lifting though.

>>42275381
t. someone who wasnt smart enough to be a doctor and too much of an asshole to be a nurse

>>42270486
>desu
kill yourself.

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>>42274520
Those diets aren't unhealthy.

>>42274546
Your ((doctor)) should have just told you you have low testosterone and given you a guide on how to improve it, but medicine doesn't work that way all the time because there's no profit.

>>42274575
Hmm, get a 23andme test, then'll you'll be 100% sure.

>>42274581
You don't need to, also not at 18, christ, you don't need to take testo, you can change it naturally and keep it at that level well into your 50's, after that it's advisable to start TRT.

>>42274643
email me at : [email protected] so I can help you out.

>>42275008
It's my pleasure

>>42275043
I've made my position on doctors in the thready, also read third text in the first post, it's directly from a doctor.

>>42275248
It's a variety off factors, I'll have them all identified soon, sorting like catching pokemon.

>>42275305
Yea, raise it naturally ASAP, 200s is absolute dogshit, you'll be a different person at 700, read the whole thread carefully.

>>42275382
Same but I'm a little taller.

Did you know that square jawlines or in general defined ones are a direct result off testosterone in the womb?

>>42275544
Yes -> >>42269401

>>42275638
Sure.

Why are men losing testosterone, well it very much relates to our environment and how we behave, modern man isn't a man, look up the new study on sperm values in the west.

I've posted multiple guides on how you can and should raise them in this thread, 2 off them are on the second post.

>>42275665
I think you might just be depressed? Get your test checked.

>>42275813
That's bullshit honestly, I've done the exact same thing as that guy to get my test levels up, I've posted other such guides in this thread, this dude is obviously a vegan (no offense).

>>42276459
You're wrong, he's very much right, look up endocrine disruptors.

>>42276294
Thanks man.

>>42276469
No, read the whole thread.

>>42276515
lmao

>>42276518
Already gave you my take

>>42277690
>tranny faggot had a low test
wow didn't see that coming

daily reminder that the cure to all you sissy-hypno masturbating cuckbosy is LITERALLY testosterone

>>42276715
No no, tldr is : Normal testosterone levels are now being lowered, at the same time people are walking around with non optimal testosterone thinking they're "normal" when, and this is what pisses me off, they probably never felt like a man should feel like.

>>42277091
You can get them up naturally, read the thread.

>>42277146
Both really, don't overthink it, eat some carbs.

>>42277260
I'm doing something in that vain.

>>42277547
Yea, fatness as a big effect, stop being fat.

>>42277761
No, I don't bullshit, ever.

>>42277836
More or less this.

>>42277884
lmao what

>>42277940
Yep, everyone read this.

>>42275616
How vastly do they jump? I would be surprised if there was upwards of a 2-digit difference during the day. Are you saying that people can fluctuate all the way from 300 to >700?

>>42278114
C'mon, give him the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he's just suicidal.

>>42271006
You're a good cunt, thanks for the great thread mate.

>>42267987
>tfw 500-something with perfect diet, zinc supps, heavy compound-based workouts, perfect sleep, and even test boosters.

Fuck it. Might as well start cruising.

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>>42272791
>http://www.ergo-log.com/testosteroneboosters.html
>Lonely men have higher testosterone levels

>>42268070
>barely inside 'average' levels
ANON.... just reduce your test levels then see your doctor when you know they'll be lower than the required range!!? Then blast and cruise baby

>tfw 6.4 inch wrists
>us size 6 feet
>5'6
>head circumference is 2/3 chest circumference
>widish hips and legs longer than torso
>underdeveloped maxilla
>recessed chin
>anxiety
>check test
>....
>1100 mg/dl at 18 yo

All this test stuff sound like bs desu

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>>42280025
Read this : https://www.anabolicmen.com/how-to-increase-testosterone-levels-naturally/

Research endocrine disruptors.

>>42280055
ahaha

>>42280344
Super Large amounts of testosterone growing up are associated with short stature, you want to keep an healthy level while growing up, you don't want to be in <300s or >1200s

Also testosterone obviously isn't a cure all for everything in life, it is however currently a major issue, just because you have high levels doesn't mean you won't have anxiety, some people are genetically prone to anxiety for example.

My advice : Check your cortisol levels, try to achieve a good balance, ctrl f for cortisol on this thread.

>>42268777

It would not surprise me at all if virtually all transgenderism is just a symptom of insufficient testosterone

>>42280505
Most likely a ause off problems such as :

Low testosterone in the womb after the sex of the baby is defined, i.e the reason lesbians exist is because they receive high amounts of testosterone in the womb, this is scientific fact, you can also see in female players/lesbians the well defined jawlines they all have, I suspect this is a major reason.

Then there is modern society, here's something frightning :

> Paracetamol during pregnancy can inhibit masculinity

"We have demonstrated that a reduced level of testosterone means that male characteristics do not develop as they should. This also affects sex drive. In a trial, mice exposed to paracetamol at the foetal stage were simply unable to copulate in the same way as our control animals. Male programming had not been properly established during their foetal development and this could be seen long afterwards in their adult life. It is very worrying," says David Mobjerg Kristensen.

The dosage administered to the mice was very close to the recommended dosage for pregnant women. Because the trials are restricted to mice, the results cannot be transferred directly to humans. However, the researchers' certainty about the harmful effects of paracetamol means it would be improper to undertake the same trials on humans, explains David Mobjerg Kristensen.

The results most likely can be seen on humans as well, no matter what they say, there's a reason we test on mice.

>>42280505
if i remember correctly, ive read low test adds to homosexual tendencies. i was gay/bi when i was young, very feminine /acted feminine. very depressed, no interest in anything, demotivated. started working out, eating a lot of iodine rich food, avoiding foods i was shown to be allergic to, masturbating in moderation (this is also a big one. you shouldn't 'nofap' or whatever, just don't do it in excess. for me its once every two weeks. anything is bad in excess) and my sexual preferences have gone completely straight. this is not an imaginary thing but physical, because its not that i chose to dislike gay porn now, but that i literally cannot get aroused by it and am slightly disgusted by it.
i also sleep on time, maintain a routine and it all keeps me very motivated. it's a law of the world that the rich keep getting richer and that doesn't just apply to money. if you actively strive and work hard to improve yourself, it will get better and things will halo around you in support of you. you will get mentally more capable to do more, money wise more ability to invest, more stable environment, peers looking up to you.. etc.. it just spirals out of control, same ways to being "poor". if you dont do anything then mother earth will drag you back down by some disease or you shooting yourself in the head from depression or drugs.

>>42280702


not to mention, if i maintain a routine of working out i also get extremely confident and outgoing, my stature gets better, everything improves. i dont overthink things and i become cool and chilled out with no anxiety. i dont fear putting myself in situations, in fact i strive to do it.

testost. doesnt make you aggressive - it makes you dominant, conquering.

>>42280702

lol no, high test makes you more homo actually, you clearly have never met manly gay men who buttfuck 24/7

OK to start trying to get TRT through patches at 22 yrs?
I am pretty sure I'm not growing anymore, I've got to about 184 cm and have stayed there for about 3 years now.

>>42280957
Why would you want to start TRT? Just get your levels checked and adjust accordingly, there's no point in getting TRT and living like Boogie.

>>42281014
Becuse I am convinced I have low T. I match all the symptoms and feel like total garbage.
I also avoid conflict, and my gym gains have been stalling and I dont know why

obviously I will get myself checked ASAP.

>>42281028
Do it, then message me at : [email protected] and I'll help you out.

>>42275822
Bumperino, my paranoia knows no bounds

>>42270912
>trying to blackmail your doctor
Just find a brown doctor across the tracks. They don't give any fucks.

I feel helpless, how to avoid endocrine disruptors/xenoestrogens?? There needs to be a comprehensive list with solutions... It can't be impossible

>>42281361
See >>42276099

>>42269401

Your advise is pretty good, but stay the hell away from Sam Harris for guided meditations, good lord - he's an atheist, outpouring of arrogance jew. Use lots of discrimination when looking into meditation. It's not smart to open yourself up to lots of what's out there.

If you want good beginner advice for meditation, try Adyashanti or try Barry Long.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg7n-ZZePGQ

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>>42281361
For now see>>42276099

It may seem overwhelming but I promise you it's way easier and once you get the right stuff you will realize you're wasting your money away.

I'm working on something as well that should be way more comprehensive.

>>42281164
Read the whole thread.

tldr : Reverse osmosis but research first, google is your friend.

EVERYONE :

>READ THE WHOLE THREAD

>READ THE WHOLE THREAD

>READ THE WHOLE THREAD

My T levels were 370. Went to a TRT clinic and now I'm on 70mg e3.5d, 400 out HCG 2x week, and an AI. Feeling pretty good.

>>42274149

>frogs being intersex, sex changes!

Are you sure it's not that amphibians are finally becoming progressive, bigot?

>>42280702
Once every two weeks? They recommend at least 21 ejsculations per month to maintain a healthy prostate.

How do I find a TRT clinic in america? In 5 months I'll have good healthcare again and the first thing I'm doing is seeking T.

>>42280344
If your estrogens are high, no amount of test will save you.

>>42281564

I'm with defy medical. They do telemedicine

>>42281511
Nice and not nice.

I wouldn't give you anything on those levels, listen to me now.

Adress the root cause off the issue, it's logical that you can not live like you were living before, you need to use this treatment to make changes and improve your test levels naturally, if you don't the result is self evident, do you realize what I am saying?

>>42281552
who is they? There are many other ways to keep an healthy prostate, 21 ejaculations per month? madness, I'm no nofap but there's a difference in my mind between masturbating 4 to 6 times per month with no porn and jacking off 21 times, your prostate will be fine, you know masturbation is a drop in the ocean, smoking and any other cancer causing compounds are much more dangerous.

>>42281600

Ever since I started the injections my motivation to work out is higher than it's ever been. I've been hitting the gym 6x a week and eating much better. There's no reason to do TRT if you don't change your habits.

I've been lifting 3 years and I am at 60/90/160/180kg

Am I low T...

I began lifting at 14
I can't grow a beard at all at 18

Face is roundish and I hate it

Voice isn't that deep either

>>42281564
1. Check your test levels first
2. If low attempt to change it naturally
3. Eat cruciferous vegetables to expel any extra estrogen out off your body.
4. Research endocrine desruptors.

>>42280702

You remember falsely or read some bullshit. They tried giving test to gays as conversion therapy. Just made them even hornier for each other.

>>42281619
> There's no reason to do TRT if you don't change your habits.

I'm glad you understand this. Godspeed.

>>42281624
Get yourself tested, send your results to : [email protected] I'll help you out.

If you don't have the money then follow one off the guides posted on this thread, could be zinc and vitd3 deficiency as well.

>>42275870
Anyone?

>>42281678
Funny you say that, I've been supplementing D3 and Zinc since December and seen no real improvements.

How do I get tested in the UK? I have money for it, just no idea how to get tested

>>42281678

So, there's some truth to sunning your ball sack?

>>42281678
>weebmail
um, i don't think so

>>42278119

You're a fucking newfag tbqh

>>42281692
This is ridiculous but sure I'll help you out haha.

1. Stop exercising
2. Go to the supermarket and buy whole milk, the worst quality the better, buy super cheap meat you know comes from industrial farming
3. Buy plastic containers, microwave the whole milk and eat the meat in them as well, make sure they're not bpa free, even if they are it's more or less irrelevant
4. Sugar sugar sugar, get yourself stuffed with the worst sugar you can find
5. Avoid the sun at all costs

Probably won't make a dent in a couple off weeks but if you want to kill yourself this might work in the long run.

>>42281705
See >>42268733

>>42281720
I have heard about that but haven't seen any study, but I imagine so, think about your ancestors, they were naked out in the sun getting uv rays in their whole body. Get some sun regardless.

>>42281740
Your choice ;).

>>42281794

Top kek on that lowering T advise.

>sunbathing

I live in the country and sunbathe nude every morning for around 15-20 minutes. I'd say it helps. Def. notice a positive increase in mood. No wonder our pagan ancestors worshiped the goodness of the sun.

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>>42281794
inb4 doing this somehow makes the body go in full reverse and you've just found the optimal way of producing testosterone

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>>42281815
>I live in the country and sunbathe nude every morning for around 15-20 minutes.

Try to do it for 30 minutes at least, in the morning the UV isn't that high so virtually no risque to skin cancer, do it at around 10am.

Yea, I live in a sunny country to,

>the first ray of sun hits your skin after winter

>>42276294
>Optimizing test production might mean having slightly less pliable arteries than you would like.
He's even more full of shit because the OP'
s diet won't even do that. Those are pseudoscietific dietary memes
>https://authoritynutrition.com/it-aint-the-fat-people/
>https://authoritynutrition.com/top-8-reasons-not-to-fear-saturated-fats/
>>https://authoritynutrition.com/saturated-fat-good-or-bad/
>https://chriskresser.com/the-diet-heart-myth-cholesterol-and-saturated-fat-are-not-the-enemy/
>http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.85.1.6291
>https://breakingmuscle.com/fuel/why-all-humans-need-to-eat-meat-for-health

>>42281857

Truthfully I know milk as some estrogen inducing compounds but it's minuscule and it balances out because it contains testosterone positive compounds as well, I know that very high levels of test during teenage hood cause you to have a short stature, which might explain the size off northen europeans and the size of mexicans which have higher test levels than blacks and whites, difference is today the milk is >50% more on the estrogen side than the testosterone one, cows aren't fed properly and are injected with god knows what. If you can get your hand on normal cow milk i.e milk grown like our european ancestors used to do and you know it's not contaminated I would happily drink it during teenagehood.

>This was just a train of thought of broscience, need to research more.

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>>42281923
Chris kesser is a good dude, everyone here read his Vitamin D3 guide :

https://chriskresser.com/vitamin-d-more-is-not-better/

Pic related, mine are at about 45 which, used to be at 32 and I noticed some difference in my mood after upping it.

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>>42281947
>very high levels of test during teenage hood cause you to have a short stature

Can confirm...

>hairy
>naturally muscular
>mesomorphic, wide shoulders thin waist
>8" dick
>square jaw
>5'8"

>>42267987
>ITS MOST LIKELY YOUR TESTOSTERONE!!

"magic bullet" thinking does not belong on /fit/

it is the opposite of /fit/ thinking and lifestyle

no, if you're tired in the morning lethargic and depressed it's more than likely because your life sucks or you aren't healthy. you're not supposed to just randomly be energetic and happy.

>>42282056
read the whole thread you fucking faggot. It's all about changing your lifestyle to naturally increase testosterone.
Testosterone simply is a measurable metric that has very high correlation with "feeling great and being healthy".

>>42282056
>"magic bullet" thinking does not belong on /fit/
>literally ever other thread is about the magic of ketosis bc tards don't understand caloric deficits

Regardless of suffering from symptoms of low T, raising T levels from something like 200-300s to 600-700s range will dramatically improve not only someone's life, but gains...

>6 months ago
>not a single morning wood
>change some shit up with my lifestyle
>today
>everyday morning wood

Am I going to make it?

>>42282029
ahah we're alike man

>5'9
>hairy
>naturally muscullar and broad shoulders
>7 incher
> square / triangular ish jaw, very defined (got comments on it)

Mother did a lot off walking on the beach while I was in the womb and my father is a very muscular and test dude.

Could have been taller if my diet wasn't so shit during my pre teens but whatever it is what it is it's average in my country.

>>42282056
This is not magic bullet thinking. Obviously you would have realized it if you had read the whole thread, I'm not even gonna point out why you're wrong, read the thread, or not, do nothing.

>>42270193
Roided to the teeth

Still love him though

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>>42281947
>Truthfully I know milk as some estrogen inducing compounds but it's minuscule and it balances out because it contains testosterone positive compounds as well
>This was just a train of thought of broscience, need to research more.
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2014/01/true-or-false-dairy-is-toxic-hormone.html
Also highly doubt the"milk=prostate cancer" entirely especially when in the article it says:
>Estrone and prostate cancer risk in men: As far as the estrone levels Maruyama et al. measured in their 2010 study are concerned it is very difficult to tell, whether or not the 26% increase in E2 levels is or isn't a problem.
>The estrone values in the Maruyama study are unrealistic. With a normal range of <68pg/ml the subjects in the Maruyama study would have elevated E1 levels to begin with, if the measurement was correct.
>difficult to tell
>unrealistic
and
>What remains to be seen, though, is whether future epidemiological evidence will support or refute the currently heralded hypothesis that dairy consumption increases prostate cancer risk and whether we will be able to identify more feasible explanations for this relations than those that are implicated by the results Maruyama et al. present in their 2010 study.
>http://sciencedrivennutrition.com/hormones-milk/
>http://suppversity.blogspot.de/2014/05/bcfa-gut-health-immunity-cancer.html
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2013/12/dairy-good-bad-or-ugly-latest-studies.html
>http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/07315724.2011.10719992
>cows aren't fed properly and are injected with god knows what.
Products from grass fed cows are higher in Omega 3's than grain fed ones and also convert the ALA in the grass they eat into higher quality DHA and EPA.
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16500874

>>42282225
This is what I'm looking for, thank you man will read everything and add to my pile.

>>42267954
Does singing viking and power metal music give you higher testosterone levels if you feel really manly doing it. Srs question.