"Vegans don't get enough protein"

>>42150528
When are mods gonna crack down on obvious shitposting like this?

wtf I'm vegan now

>>42150537
Hey, just because your brain is rotten and cancerous from all the meat you eat, doesn't mean it's shitpostign.

>>42150528
>what are almonds?

>>42150528
whatever her age is, she looks terrible for it

>>42150696

She's 27.

>>42150714
so i was right

Why do vegans all have saggy skin?

>>42150528
Vegetal protein < Animal protein

Plant protein must be broken down by the liver and reassembled into animal protein. That requires energy and the product has less animal protein then if you simply ate meat.

>>42150744
because we were meant to graze on raw vegetables all day long

or were we

>>42150714
How

>>42150528
oh what a cute guy

>>42150528
and that is my main problem with going vegan, I actually like the idea of going vegan but it seems to be fucking impossible for my lifting goals.

A conservative estimation has me sitting around 180g of Protein a day and I have yet to see a vegan diet that is realisitc and has that much protein and keep in mind that is not even a high estimation of what I would need.

So if any vegans are here I would love to get a mealplan that has me around 2500kcal and has 180g of Protein without me needing to eat an insane amount of food or only eat nuts all day long.

If someone can come up with a solution to this that also has some variety and tastes decent I would go vegan instantly I just havent found it yet.

>>42150714
33 actually. Still looks like she's 53.

>>42151055
I buy pea and rice protein and make veggie stew out of it.

Also, beans, nuts and oats.

>>42150752
Okay this is an obvious bait thread but this post is pure shit. All protein is broken down and then reassembled according to needs, there is no difference in the metabolism of plant and animal protein.

>>42150575
underrated

>>42150528
beans lentils chickpeas soy

>>42151134
>>42151055
Gotta get that 8g+ leucine a day, so you're gonna need whey anyway. Or cheese or eggs, or just meat.

vegans should hang themselves
all fad dieters should hang themselves
including keto, low carb/fat/protein, vegetarian, pisscenarian, paleo

all of you are fucking stupid

>>42151685
It's intermittent fasting a fad?

It just seemed like a different way of timing your fill ups

>>42150528
>5lbs of lettuce

I wish I was a cow too

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>>42150528
haha epic meme
>>42150752
This is wrong and you are dumb, please stop posting
>>42151055
>180g protein in 2500 kcal
Easy. Here is a meal plan I made for an anon yesterday, he asked for 144 g protein in 1600 kcal which was way more strict. I'll make another one for you in a second.
>>42151619
>Gotta get that 8g+ leucine a day
This is correct
>you're gonna need whey anyway. Or cheese or eggs, or just meat.
This is incorrect. You are wrong and stupid and should stop posting.
>>42151685
One of these isn't a fad like the others and should not be lumped together with them. Hint: I'm not talking about the last 5.
You are wrong and stupid and should stop posting.

>>42151749
I think there've been some promising results with IF and lifespan extension in mice

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>>42150528

>>42151685
literally this. anybody who gives even a semblance of a fuck about what they put into their bodies should die

>>42152963
>seitan
>tofu
fuck off

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>>42152963
What app is that sir?

>>42152963
Who actually wants to eat this shit though? Nobody, that's who.

>>42152963
Hey anon you seem like you're knowledgeable about veganism, so, I got a few questions.
I myself have been thinking about going vegan, anyways here's what I want to know.
How did you feel once you started a vegan diet?
Do you have more or less energy throughout the day on a vegan diet?
Should I ease into a vegan diet, or just quit all meat immediately?
Any downsides to the diet?
What are some foods that I should always have in my pantry/fridge if I'm gonna become a vegan?
Thanks.

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>>42152963
I have to eat a metric fuckton of chick peas daily? No thanks.

soy kills gains

>>42150575
kek

>>42152963
>vegans think this diet is appealing to non vegans
If you wanna convert people you're gonna have to come up with something better

You don't need half the protein you think you need to build muscles.

There are lots of vegan foods that have a good protein/calorie ratio, but almost all of it has so much water you have to eat it with a fucking snow shovel

>>42150591
shitposting*

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>>42153023
You too
>>42153025
>that pic
fucking kek, saved
cronometer.com, and stop speaking like a redditor
>>42153033
>ew mommy peas are yucky
Fuck off
>>42153069
>Hey anon you seem like you're knowledgeable about veganism, so, I got a few questions.
Aw you're making me blush
>I myself have been thinking about going vegan
Great!
>How did you feel once you started a vegan diet?
LOTS of farts for the first 2-3 weeks, after that nothing special. No, I don't feel super energized in the morning or have less acne or whatever. Although I have never felt sleepy after a huge meal I guess? Or at least it may be less?
>Do you have more or less energy throughout the day on a vegan diet?
Pretty much the same, just less post-prandial sleepiness
>Should I ease into a vegan diet, or just quit all meat immediately?
Don't push yourself too hard and crash! If it's too hard try 1 day per week only at first, when you feel comfortable, then add a second day, etc
Also count calories. If you forget nuts it's easy to undereat!
>Any downsides to the diet?
Harder to eat out
You'll have to log in everything in cronometer for a couple months until you get used to what food has what nutrients
You'll have to learn to cook some foods from scratch
>What are some foods that I should always have in my pantry/fridge if I'm gonna become a vegan?
Dry beans/peas/chickpeas/lentils, if you like cooking, canned if you are lazy like me
Potatoes
Pasta
Rice
Soy milk, oats and berries
Mock animal products like beyond burgers and daiya cheese to help you transition
Spinach or kale
canned tomatoes
Mushrooms and cucumbers if cutting
nuts and pb if bulking
You know, normal food
Chia/flax/hemp seeds for them ω3s
A B12 sup if you don't have fortified nutritional yeast, fortified soymilk or fortified cereal
>>42153130
Wrong. Stop posting
>>42153180
Just a sec
>>42151055
Here is a lazy version of >>42152963, literally just added 4 cups pasta (250g dry). I'm making a more calorie dense one now

Thanks.

>>42153196
0.7g/lb is optimal

>>42153303
Glad I don't have to eat this disgusting shit every day

>>42153303
I'm >>42153069
Thanks for answering my questions, and providing me with that great list of foods.
I figure that I might as well try out a vegan diet and see if it's right for me since I lose nothing by trying. Thanks bro

>>42153303
stop posting like this you colossal faggot

>>42150528
5lbs of lettuce instead of soaking some beans

Other vegetarians/vegans need to take a stand against retardation like this

>>42151055
It's unrealistic, but using lentils and beans as a base, and a bit of nuts to top it off, you could go vegetarian or low-meat.
Milk post-wo, some eggs, or a bit of fish will be enough for you to hit your macros.

If you want to use rice or pasta as a base, you'll need a lot more meat, just to cover the proteins.

>>42150528
that face makes me fucking kek. both the face she's making and the fact that her skin is falling off.

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>>42153435
You're welcome. Here is another one. We fail to hit a couple vitamins because I made it to cater to the autists ITT who don't want to eat peas, lentils, oats and tofu and think they're yucky, so I only added whatever seemed tasty enough.
The meals are easily discernible: A protein shake in the morning, 3 tortillas for lunch and spaghetti with minced "meat" for dinner. A plain kale salad somewhere on the side for dem greens, always eat at least a cup greens.
>>42153399
>>42153023
>>42153033
This is also for you faggots, there is literally nothing "yucky" in this day
>>42153446
Sue me
>>42153475
You don't need meat

>>42153546
>>42153303
>>42152963
Post body please

>>42151094
That's what years of vitamin deficiency will do to you -- not just low protein intake

>>42153583
unless this nigga is clarence, he most likely looks like every other vegan on this planet. Skinny and old looking

>>42150591
I think you should research vitamin B12 before you claim meat eaters have rotten brains.

>>42153583
>>42153654
I've gotten kinda chubby and stopped going to the gym because of irl stuff for 2-3 months, don't have anything to show atm. If you just want to satisfy your homoerotic fetish, you could go to >>>/cm/, >>>/hm/, >>>/lgbt/ or >>>/y/
I don't see how me not posting body invalidates my meal plans though

>>42150591
>rotten and cancerous from all the meat you eat
Meme
>doesn't mean it's shitpostign.
>>42153215
Yes it does
>http://www.diagnosisdiet.com/meat-and-cancer/
>https://chriskresser.com/red-meat-cancer-again-will-it-ever-stop/
>http://www.mensfitness.com/nutrition/what-to-eat/meat-cancer-bacon-who-report-mens-fitness-health
>https://rawfoodsos.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/minger_formal_response2.pdf
>https://deniseminger.com/2010/08/06/final-china-study-response-html/
>https://deniseminger.com/2010/08/03/the-china-study-a-formal-analysis-and-response/
>https://deniseminger.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/ >http://www.foodrenegade.com/the-china-study-discredited/
>https://deniseminger.com/the-china-study/
>https://www.westonaprice.org/our-blogs/the-curious-case-of-campbells-rats-does-protein-deficiency-prevent-cancer/
>https://www.westonaprice.org/our-blogs/taking-a-trip-down-memory-lane-fishing-for-our-good-friend-glutathione-in-the-waters-of-the-memory-hole-how-t-colin-campbell-helped-prove-that-protein-protects-us
>https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/comments/2qxnro/red_meat_triggers_toxic_immune_reaction_which/cnai2od/
>http://caloriesproper.com/red-meat-wont-kill-you-it-will-make-you-stronger/
>http://www.saragottfriedmd.com/does-meat-cause-cancer-revisiting-the-meat-igf-1-and-cancer-connection/
>http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.85.1.6291
>https://authoritynutrition.com/it-aint-the-fat-people/
>https://authoritynutrition.com/top-8-reasons-not-to-fear-saturated-fats/
>https://chriskresser.com/the-diet-heart-myth-cholesterol-and-saturated-fat-are-not-the-enemy/
>https://breakingmuscle.com/healthy-eating/why-all-humans-need-to-eat-meat-for-health

>>42150591
>>42150528
Go back to /ck/ you degenerates

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>>42153807
>that guy again
>A G A I N

>>42153546
>You don't need meat
You'll need it when cutting, unless you break some of the 'normie' taboos, and really that's a personal choice.
>Eating tofu, soy, seitan, and other strange and possibly expensive 'vegan' foods, or protein powders
Those are the taboos.

Gotta admit that you can bulk on beans, the numbers work just fine, and it's cheap as fuck.

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>>42153739
>i dont know why a healthy looking face and body would tell you anything about my health

>>42153945
>Face
Never lol
>Healthy body
Well I'm far from skinny, I just don't have definition so there's nothing to show
>>42153921
>tofu, soy, seitan, and other strange and possibly expensive 'vegan' foods, or protein powders
>taboos
"Strange" is a matter of habit. There is nothing objectively wrong with soy milk or tofu, and seitan is literally ultra-mega-super high protein bread. I'd say that eating bean (soy) and wheat (seitan) products is less strange than eating tendons, assholes, nostrils, eyeballs, skin, ears, tails etc in the form of sausages but that's just me
>expensive
Not really, no. Seitan is literally the price of bread if you make it yourself

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>>42150528
>https://pastebin.com/14M2hJaU

>>42154014
>my body doesn't look healthy but at least i am healthier than the fit guys who look healthy but eat meat
>and also because they eat meat, they are illogical. Everything i say is non biased logical thinking

>>42154014
The more usual beans and lentils can sub for soy, anyway. They have almost the same protein/calories ratio.
As for seitan, sure it's cheap to make bread, but it's not common and wheat gluten isn't commonly sold, especially now with that anti-gluten fad going on. You'll have to buy it prepackaged, and that's a good bit more expensive.
It's a shame, because that would be the perfect complement to beans.

>>42154125
I never said any of the things you're quoting and you still haven't said how this invalidates my meal plans

>>42154132
Gluten is very easily available on Amazon though and very reasonably priced. Gluten flour that is, haven't explicitly searches for seitan. Search for "vital wheat gluten"

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>>42150752
HAHAHAHAHAHA DO YOU ACTUALLY FUCKING THINK THIS HAHAHAHAHA

>>42150594
It can be very difficult for the uninitiated to activate their almonds. Better off starting with making your own coconuts at home first.

>>42154171
You can make seitan cheaply by washing regular flour. The carbs are mostly water soluble, the proteins mostly not, so you can just soak and rinse in a bowl over and over. You can even make wholemeal seitan with wholemeal flour.

>>42154255
I've read about that but I don't know if I should trust that the carbs have all been rinsed off. Why not just buy vital wheat gluten? It's not like it's expensive or anything

>>42154171
It's not cheap, for a plant-based product, but it's cheaper than meat.
I'll have to experiment with it, it should go well in a stew with lentils.

>>42154316
Let us know how it goes!

>>42154288
I buy gluten and store it in tubs myself. Seitan is a centuries old meat substitute, that's the traditional method of making it. AFAIK gluten is still purified like that with an additional step at the end where it's broken up and seived to make a powder.

I've never known it be impossible to get, but it's still nice to know how to make it imo. It's a lot easier to buy than in the past, about 10 years ago you normally had to order it through fishing shops (gluten is used to form bait sometimes), so it's not so important. I've only ever done it for very niche reasons such as messing with unusual flours or wanting the leftover carb broth for something.

>>42154323
Worst case I'll flavor it with lard, the price per gram of protein is actually quite good!

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>There are many other better sources of protein. Many veggies have more protein than meat.
>Many veggies have more protein than meat.

>>42153303

"0.5 bunch" isnt a fucking unit

>>42154323
Looking at the micronutrients, with a vegan diet I'd get fuckall vit.Bs.
How do you people even survive? Supplements? Have I missed some critical food that's rich in B12?

>>42154633
>I'm too dumb to extrapolate from the calories how much spinach that is

>>42154663
Where exactly did you look?
Look here >>42152963, here >>42153303 and here >>42153546

>>42152963
>200g of carbs

I will pass and stick to meat and eggs thanks

>>42150528
Why do vegans always look like utter shit? I mean, there's exceptions, but like 99% of vegans look old and sick. Anecdotally, this is what turns me off from veganism.

>>42153739
So, chubby and ugly like the other 99% of vegans. Wow, so convincing. I simply want to look awful and act like a giant faggot too!

Why are vegans so non-selfaware?

>>42154154
>I look terrible, but it doesn't invalidate my meal plans.

Oh yes it does.

>>42155415
>why do untrained people who follow a low protein and low calorie diet always look like shit when they expose their skinny body
Gee, I don't know billy.

>implying untrained people on a regular diet look better

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>>42150528
>it's virtually impossible to not get enough protein

>>42155415
The same reason why someone who eats only meat exclusive would look terrible

>>42153739
so surprised lmao. why have i never seen an attractive vegan?

Does munching leaves give you a jaw like hers?

>>42150528

Now THATS a healthy looking person

>>42155531
That's the point. Radical centrism is significantly better than strict vegan diets. Meat eaters certainly should eat less red meat, more fish and yes, more vegetables. Vegans should not be strict, and mix in some chicken or fish.

The longest living people on the planet, are not strict vegans (Okinawans) and their larger group (Japanese) eat tons of meat, and are the 2nd longest living people. Just this simple fact destroys strict veganism.

>>42155577
Jon Venus
Brian Turner
MuscleNMind
Vegan hustle TV

>>42155732
okinawans ate like under 5% of their calories from meat and like 0 from eggs or milk.

>>42155692
>Vegans should not be strict, and mix in some chicken or fish.
There is LITERALLY NOTHING, including B12, ω3 or any essential amino acid that you can't get from plants and need chicken or fish.
>The longest living people on the planet, are not strict vegans (Okinawans) and their larger group (Japanese) eat tons of meat, and are the 2nd longest living people.
Check your sources again. Okinawans USED TO be the longest living population BEFORE they westernized their diet and added meat and eggs in.
>Just this simple fact destroys strict veganism.
I hate people who are smug and wrong

>>42155741
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>>42155742
not the anon you responded to but....

>There is LITERALLY NOTHING, including B12, ω3 or any essential amino acid that you can't get from plants and need chicken or fish.

but there are plenty of nutrients that you can get which are more easily absorbed from mean and far more plentiful from meat sources.

>Okinawans USED TO be the longest living population BEFORE they westernized their diet and added meat and eggs in.

yes, and all the other groups who rank highest in average age in the world aren't strict vegans. ESPECIALLY the Sardinians, those guys love their meats.

>I hate people who are smug and wrong

so this entire website?

>>42150528
Dem elbows

>>42155742
>Before they Westernized their diet

So did they or did they not, before getting McDonald's, eat meat? You know the answer is yes. It doesn't matter if it's 5%. They were not and are not strict vegans.

Do strict vegans live longer? The answer is really no. They did a study on seventh day Adventists and they lived like 7 years longer than meat eaters. The problem is, they also eat small amounts of fish and other meat. So they aren't even vegan.

Your mistake is ignoring the middle. It's either all or nothing, when in fact it appears small amounts of meat, with large amounts of vegetables are the key. So by being strict vegan, you aren't living to your full health potential anyways.

Your diet is dumb.

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>>42155814
>Sardinians, those guys lover their meats
They might, but only about 6% of their food is actually meat.
Surprisingly they seem to eat a lot of dairy products (22% of food by weight probably higher percentage in calories), but even so 72% of their food intake (by weight) is vegan.

>>42155901
Alright, lets go with that. is your animal product intake restricted to 5% of your calories? No? Well why not? It seems to be way healthier than a standard american diet.

>>42155957
>is vegan
Vegetables. Vegetarians. Etc. They arent vegan.

>>42155901
>It doesn't matter if it's 5%.
Yes it does, goalpost shifter

>>42155984
Let me rephrase because you seem a little triggered.
>72% of their food intake fits in with a vegan diet

>>42153677
you get b12 from Monster Energy Zero Ultra™ non-vegan BTFO

>>42151055

I'm not vegan, but 180 grams of protein a day is insane and unnecessary.

Read some research.

>>42151094
holy fuck

>>42150528

She looks like she's been addicted to meth for years.

I'd rather not look like that.

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>tfw I go to vegan restaurants and I'm always the beefiest, healthiest looking dude there

Not a vegan btw, I just go to these places to fill my veggie quota.

>>42156066
No, it doesn't. I explicitly said strict vegan diets, as in, no meat. That in fact, is NOT the healthiest diet, as claimed by the op.

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>>42150528
>5lbs of lettuce
>less than 30grams of protein.

I cannot imagine how autistic it must look to be in public of in your workplace busting out five fucking pounds of lettuce for lunch. Hold me /fit/ I feel mildly triggered.

>>42155976
I don't disagree. Go back up to where I said meat eaters should eat less red meat and more vegetables. That's not what is argued in the op or further posts.

All I'm saying is, small to moderate amounts of meat are beneficial to human health, and that science and anecdotal evidence clearly supports that.

>>42156328
And it's not even a complete protein kekeke

>>42150528
>>42150528

isn't this 28 g of incomplete protein?

doesn't she need to eat something else to complete the protein ?

where as meat is complete

>>42150528
>one broken piece of protein now counts as complete nutrition to Vegans
Holy fuck Vegans are retarded.
You could eat 200lbs of lettuce and still be nutritionally deficient.
Rather it one piece of chicken.

>>42156328
>>42156342
>>42156391
>cherrypicking this hard after >>42153546, >>42153303 and >>42152963 have been posted
>falling for OBVIOUS bait from a falseflagging meat eating OP
kys you're selfs

>>42156511
You realize all of those people you referenced are stupid. You know a complete protien is only formed when all the amino acids are put together. So if you get 240% of any amount for all amino acids except for one, that is at 120% then your body is unable to use the full 240%. That one amino acid that is lacking will prevent the additional 120% that every other amino acid has from forming a protien.

>>42151055
>180g
You must be a big guy

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>>42150528
>tfw even plants need animal protein.

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>>42150575

>>42156734
Carnivorous plants

>>42156772
I thought you could replace any animal protein with plants.

>>42156787
would it be considered vegan to eat a plant that eats animals?

>>42156795
Only if you feed that plant tofu instead of insects

>>42156803
What if i fed the tofu to a vegan and let the plant eat the vegans poo? Would eating that plant be considered vegan?

>>42156816
Probably not, according to the faith of their cult, if it comes from an animal, it isn't vegan. So vegan poop would be haram just like honey is.

>>42156635
Yeah, the body has no buffers, the rest literally gets pissed out.
Just stop posting

>>42156830
So if a vegan is sucking cock or eating out a pussy, they can't swallow? They can't allow the babies to drink breast milk?

>>42156831
That's just straight ignorance. I would explain it to you but I really don't care if end up with a protien deficiency. Yes your body does literally piss it out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amino_acid

>>42156853
>They can't allow the babies to drink breast milk?

Google "vegan couple baby breast milk" for the horrifying answer.

>>42156853
Every year there are some vegans that kill their babies through malnutrition. Example: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/18574603/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/vegan-couple-sentenced-life-over-babys-death/

>>42156885
>>42156897
Jesus. All these plants are making their brains into cancerous mush.

>>42156911
That's what happens with vitamin B12 deficiency, something that is common among vegans. Their brains stop working right.

>>42156884
>Yes your body does literally piss it out.
This isn't anywhere in the link, did you even click it?

>>42157022
I really dont care enough to spell it out for you.

>>42152963
How many levels of irony are you under

>>42158507
Zero, what do you mean?

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Kek another same vegan shilling thread

>they post their ((((research on meat that gives cancer))))
>talk how dumb meat heads are
>muh healthy lifestyle
>meanwhile all those veggies are transported from tropical countries
>doens't know airplanes fuck up the planet

Sad!

>>42153196
You don't if you want to look like a guy from OP pic

>>42150528

So to get 250g of protein per day, I need to eat 45 pounds of lettuce....

wew lad

>>42159135
250 g is too much. You definitely don't need that much.
You can get 180 g protein with 2500 kcal >>42153303 >>42153546
And 144 g protein with 1600 kcal >>42152963

>>42159092
the planet will be a brown wasteland in 200 years no matter what, why not make yourself as healthy as possible in the time you have?

>>42159092
>There are people on /fit/ right now who believe that lentils, chickpeas and rice are a burden on the economy and the environment
>There are people on /fit/ right now who believe that vegans consume more soy than meat eaters (by proxy, as cattle feed)
>There are people on /fit/ right now who don't know that 1 kcal of animal products requires 2.5-26 times the kcals from plants in order to raise and fatten up the animal or make it secrete milk

>>42155709
none of those people prove me wrong

>>42159194
*proves

>>42159188
>there are people on /fit/ right now who believe that land used for cattle can magically start growing vegetables
>there are people on /fit/ right now who talk shit about other people's diets without posting pics

>>42159212
>there are people on /fit/ right now who believe that land used for cattle can magically start growing vegetables
You entirely missed the point of his post hahahahaha

>>42159194
Post body

>>42150528
Who eats 2kg of lettuce a day

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>>42159287
He won't. They always say pathetic shit like "g-g-give me six months!" or "I'll post it in a year! I just had 20 surgeries, you see!"

They aren't part of /fit/. They're just here to shill their cult. They never posted here before that Netflix documentary came out/

>>42153739
>I don't see how me not posting body invalidates my meal plans though
you're pretty funny

>>42159376
Check the reply chain again, you're embarrassing yourself.

>>42159395
Why don't vegans here ever post their bodies? They stamp up and down the board like a bunch of jackasses. Lying through their teeth telling us "beans will get you big, bro!" And yet they obviously haven't been big themselves. They never post their physiques. They just shill a bunch of fake natty frauds.

>>42153546
that's actually pretty cool, didn't think you could get enough protein without meat while still eating "normal" meals

>>42159523
Watcha doin there, rabbi?

>>42159523
If you're bulking it's easy as shit, unless you insist on stuffing your face with sweets and shit. Even eating 3000 calories of spaghetti nets you 180g of protein. The amino profile isn't so good but you get my point. It's really easy to get a lot of protein if you're eating a lot of food. On a cut it's a different story. Try eating 2000 calories and eating 180g of protein. You're going to require a protein powder or some other cop out to increase your protein intake on a vegan diet.

>>42159592
>The amino profile isn't so good
Name one essential amino acid that is in an inadequate quantity in >>42153303 and >>42153546
>On a cut it's a different story. Try eating 2000 calories and eating 180g of protein. You're going to require a protein powder or some other cop out
Why do you lie when your post has been proven wrong 100 posts ago? >>42152963

>>42159620
Bro, chill, I meant the amino acid profile isn't so good in my example. Eating only spaghetti is not gonna be so good for your gains.
>>42152963
That's actually impressive. I would've assumed there would be way more tofu required. I stand corrected.

But I would like to add, if you ever went out eating with friends and your macros are all fucked up, you can't just eat something that's pure protein to make up for it, unless it powder. Just saying. I've had situations like that. You can't always plan ahead and sometimes you have to make up for a bad diet on certain days. Having a protein powder makes your life easier. But if you can plan out your day, it seems like there's no issue.

>>42159666
>Bro, chill, I meant the amino acid profile isn't so good in my example. Eating only spaghetti is not gonna be so good for your gains.
I'm sorry satan, I misunderstood but there's no edit button.
edit: wait nvm lol found it
> if you ever went out eating with friends and your macros are all fucked up, you can't just eat something that's pure protein to make up for it, unless it powder
Well, two things
1) you can quickly toss some pre-marinated seitan in the pan, it literally has the macros and texture of breaded chicken schnitzel and tastes like anything you make it taste, including chicken
2) there are vegan protein powders that work just fine, and while I admit theyare not a necessity, so is "eating shit when out with friends". So yeah, that.

>>42159360
probably gorillas in the zoo

>>42159683
>seitan
>tfw coeliac
Just kill me senpai.

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>>42159683
>there are vegan protein powders that work just fine
You're lying through your teeth yet again

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>>42159707
Exactly.

>>42159707
This is an old man'sd opinion and not a fact, plus unrelated to the discussion
>>42159711
(((PDCAAS))) is a meme and anyone who knows the definition of (((PDCAAS))) and knows high school math can understand so themselves

>>42159683
>seitan
>low calorie
>high protein
>complete protein
>not really expensive
Holy, shit why has nobody told me about this? Might as well try it out sometime. Thanks vegan poster.

>>42159725
It can get pretty expensive for vegan standards (about the price of meat) if you buy it premade but you can make your own by buying vital wheat gluten from amazon which is cheap af

>>42159735
Doesn't the process involve something like cooking it in soy sauce or some shit? Are there any good tutorials?

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>>42159707
its jews, I am not even kidding, it all started with that "what the health" documentary, and it turns out that jews made it.

The same kind of kike who for the purposes of shilling has made some ability to reply creatively possibly for himself, is still limited by the fact that he is shilling. I had a "talk" with the same shill about fat processing genes

in this article

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/04/did-europeans-get-fat-neandertals

and he blatantly discarded or just refused to understand what "lipid processing" means.

these people are literal jew shills

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm5986857/
https://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=Kuhn

and they are doing exactly pic related.

>>42159717
That is not PDCAAS. Soy, peas and beans have very decent PDCAAS scores.

>>42159744
I'd still like source.
>>42159743
I'm a vegan and I disagree with the what the health lie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paQtMnrV6oM
Click warning: vegan youtuber
>>42159742
example recipe

Broth:
8 cups better than bouillon no beef base
8 cups water
3 tsp liquid smoke
2 tsp applewood smoked sea salt
1 cup low sodium soy sauce
1 tbsp ketchup
4 cloves minced garlic
1 tbsp onion powder
Seitan dough, dry ingredients:
2 cups wheat gluten
1/2 cup nooch
2 tbsp oat flour
1/2 tbsp applewood smoked sea salt
1/4 tbsp pepper
Seitan dough, wet ingredients:
1 cup broth from above
1/4 cup low sodium sea salt
2 tbsp olive oil
Directions:
Whisk together broth cold, set 1 cup aside
Boil on high heat, lid on
Whisk together dry ingredients
When dry ingredients are whisked, add wet ingredients ingredients and stir with a wooden spoon until its combined
With a lightly floured cutting board ready, start kneading the dough for 5 minutes. You want a big square or circle, about 3/4 inch thick after 5 minutes of kneading. Once done, let sit 5 minutes
Cut seitan into 4 equal pieces and add to boiling broth. Reduce to simmer and cover for 45 minutes.
Turn the pieces over every 15 minutes or so. After 45 minutes, turn off heat and uncover and let sit for 15 minutes.
Ready to eat! You can pan fry or grill or eat as is. Store in broth in the fridge for a week.

>>42159760
why every vegan bitch that isn't insane look like Velma from scooby doo

>>42159789
There are hot ones too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcN7SGGoCNI

>>42159735
>It can get pretty expensive for vegan standards
I was going to compare price/nutrition info but my local places don't even sell seitan.
Tofu though is roughly the same price as chicken breast but half the protein for the same kJ.

I am vegetarian but man, I don't know where veggos get this idea that it is cheaper than meat.

>>42159816
I'm not even going to take you seriously, just read the other half of my post

>>42159824
That part is irrelevant if you do not live in the US, my man.

>>42159789
Velma a thicc qt though. What's your problem?

>>42159824
Are you disagreeing and saying that tofu has as much protein as meat and is less expensive? What does the other half of your post have to do with that, your post is about seitan.

>>42159827
>>42159834
Home made seitan has the same protein/calorie and protein/g as chicken and the same price or less.
I don't know how to make this easier to understand.

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>>42159455
They're all DYEL.

>>42159848
My post was about tofu.

>>42153647
>vitamin deficiency

>>42159848
>Home made seitan has the same protein/calorie and protein/g as chicken and the same price or less.
>I don't know how to make this easier to understand.
See this post here: >>42159711
You shit-brains don't care about fitness. You lie through your teeth to shill your subjective ethics.

>>42150528
>literally autism

>>42159857
Exactly, my post was about seitan and precedes yours so it's you who is off topic. Saying "my local places don't sell seitan" because you can buy vital wheat gluten from amazon. God you're dense.

>>42159878
You cannot buy groceries from Amazon outside the US. Why are you ignoring that.

>>42159870
I saw your lie photograph and requested source >>42159760, which you failed to provide.
You are embarrassing yourself

>>42159882
Stop lying
https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2/261-0483301-3098518?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=vital+wheat+gluten

>>42159887
Outside the US and UK*
My mistake, didn't know the UK had amazon.

>it's cheaper if you make it yourself!
Meat is cheaper if I butcher it myself too. If prep time is different then that needs to be accounted for in the price.

>>42159910
And UK ships to the entire Europe. And if you're from anywhere else your priority shouldn't be where to buy groceries

>>42159092
Fuck you and fuck Varg, you imbeciles.

>>42159910
>didn't know the UK had amazon

Then, you aren't informed enough to make the statements you're making and you should stop.

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>>42155814
>>42155901
>>42156327

Okinawans, when they were the longest living population, ate about 1% red meat and 1% fish, so 2% of their diet was meat and 1% dairy and 1% eggs. They were 96% vegan, with a maximum of 4% animal producs.

>>42150528
Looks like Casey Neistat except insane

>>42160279
you know what else they are? Not white

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRELldIuZyM
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/04/did-europeans-get-fat-neandertals
https://www.nature.com/news/baseball-players-reveal-how-humans-evolved-to-throw-so-well-1.13281
https://phys.org/news/2013-06-chimps-humans-baseball-pitcher.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y__4xX8xp8

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>>42160279
And as seen here, only plant foods are a common factor between the longest living populations.

>>42160300
What are you trying to say?

>>42160300
>>42160302

Surely you think sardinians, or at least seventh day adventists in california are white?

>>42160307
that evolution played a role in their diets, as they can digest seaweed, and we cant, we can also digest milk, and they cannot. And in regards to animal fats it also has huge implications.

You cannot compare a race that is so vastly different from us, to us and us them as examples.

>>42160322
>as they can digest seaweed, and we cant,
What's your source?

>>42160318
I am saying that the focus on race is not good enough. These case studies of healthy populations, even the new pastebin that you veganfags made, are based on other populations that are not whites.

Barely a white nation is mentioned in this, and what else do you use to obfuscate it all. Oh I dont know, specific groups of sporters and now these religious fags as well?

>>42160333
google, well anything really, its widely known

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=japanese+can+digest+seaweed&t=hq&ia=web

>>42160351
The body gets adjusted to what you consume. I wanna see a controlled study that whites can't digest seaweed after 1 year of consuming it. I started taking chlorella and it's advised you start slow and build up over time as the body adjusts to it. Same goes for beans. It takes a few months for the body to get enough buildup of bacteria capable of bean digestion.

>>42160322
Lol even if that was true, only 1% of their diet was seaweed. 96% was sweet potatoes, rice, grains, beans and other fruits and veggies, can you digest those?

And if we are so adapted to animal fats, why does it kill us?

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thoughts on this piece of vegan kino?

highlights include

>"diabetes has NOTHING to do with carbs. eating fat (i.e. animal fat) makes you diabetic!"

>"you can't even put on weight eating carbs! all the carbs get stored as glycogen in your muscles and the rest is burned away! any fat you eat goes straight to your fat cells and makes you fat!"

>>42160346
I am focusing on populations, not race, you are. Let me ask you again, are sardinians and seventh day adventists in california white?

>>42160346
Whites were always richer and could afford meat. There simply don't happen to be many vegan white modern western populations
Also sadinians are white what are you talking about

>>42160367
You dont just get new bacteria in your gut, its part of evolution, for bacteria its a little bit faster still but the dietary bacteria evolution has an unknown factor.

And since we can digest milk, and other races cannot, and will not throughout their entire lives (?). And we also have fat processing genes for our past as more as hunters than gatherers, we even have the upper body of our distinct history. And the direct genes who in interaction with the bacteria theoretically could also adapt better to it all (if one went back on the original diet that is deprived of sugars and other modern crap)

then yea. But I bet you vegan fags didnt even think about this angle or did you

http://pastebin.com/f54AG18Q

You basically have nothing but a limp dick in your hands.

>>42160372
poor mans version of forks over knives

>>42160372
https://youtu.be/paQtMnrV6oM

>>42160367

I eat seaweed all the time and I'm white?

I'm from Swansea, where Laver Bread is sold and eaten by the bucketload....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laver_(seaweed)

Do vegans really care about animals? Why do they have pets then?

>>42159882
Um, yes you can.

>>42160398
Not every european has the same amount of Neanderthal DNA + recentish history of use for that DNA. The mongrols from the US still are of impurer blood lol.

Why dont you do an isolated study that focuses purely on race instead of trying to grasp as straws?

>>42160414
I'm follow a whole food plants based diet. I don't care enough about animals to jeopardize my health but if it helps both me AND them then what's the issue?
>You dont just get new bacteria in your gut, its part of evolution
Do you want me to spoonfeed you everything? First of all you can get new bacteria in your gut. And secondly it's about increasing the numbers of the bacteria that you already have not about getting new bacteria.

>>42160427
well how many other races can become lactose tolerant then with enough milk drinking?

>>42160408
You can eat it. I can eat plastic. You cannot digest and absorb it anywhere near the extent the japanese or koreans can because your bodies quite literally have different bacterial makeups.

I really don't get how white people see how this is so for milk and dairy products, but when it comes to anything else white people are so adamant that their bodies can eat anything just as well as any other race even if historically and we're talking about hundreds of thousands of years here, you've never eaten or even come in contact with it.

>>42160435
don't change the subject. we're not talking about milk here.

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this board sucks.

>veganism
>yes or no?
>well who has the danker memes
>meat has the danker memes

ok vegetarians are still faggots, another day and i didn't learn a damn thing.

this board sucks.

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>>42160441
and that is just the tip of the fucking iceberg you know.

The seaweed, lactose tolerance, fat processing genes. I dont like to put up blatant /pol/ kind of graphs but this serves as a nice comparison.

Look at my chart, and then you would have to imagine that there is most likely just as much, if not much more still of difference just for foods alone between the races.

>>42160372
I'm vegan and I don't agree with everything said, probably because the film makers simplified a lot of things that I know the actual researchers and doctors would put a context to.

They didn't say diabetes has nothing to do with [simple]carbs, they specifically said it fuels it, but it doesn't cause it per se, as many seem to think. That is true. Fat, through intramyocellular lipids, do cause insulin resistance which is how diabetes type 2 starts. Animal fat is also linked to beta cell death, which are the cells producing insulin.

You can of course put on fat by eating carbs, but it's much harder. Search for de novo lipogenesis, it's the process of making carbs into fat and it's highly regulated. It takes some serious overfeeding to have a significant portion of fat storage come from carbs.

Carbs again probably have mainly a secondary role in weight gain by being prefered by the body, so fat is no burned when carbs are available. So if you eat tons of fat and carbs, the fat is easily stored and not used because you keep providing carbs, thus the fat accumulate.

>>42160447
we are talking about dietary processing of races and milk is the white mans vocal point, just as seaweed is for the japs.

if you can "adapt" to seaweed, do you think other races can "adapt" to milk?

>>42160447
We are talking about how specific races of people have different make ups of gut bacteria, this because of thousands of years of evolution.

Why you think you can change this because of a few months to years of dieting is quite something.

>>42160463
>if you can "adapt" to seaweed, do you think other races can "adapt" to milk?
we're not talking about what I think here. we're talking about what the empirical observation is

>>42160441
Dig a little deeper and I'm sure this anon is a white supremacist.

>>42160461
the simplest of things to know is that there was a fat avoidance craze, which resulted in more sugar consumption, which resulted in more obesity. Thus the argument that fats cause these problems are wrong. Its 100% sugars, and probably in combination with animal fats, if one were to only eat healthy animal fats and no sugars, one could probably avoid most of the pitfalls mentioned in the vegan threads.

>>42160463
No because lactose tolerance is not about gut flora, it's about an enzyme the body has to produce.

Sea weed is 100% gut flora as can be seen: http://cmore.soest.hawaii.edu/summercourse/2014/documents/DeLong_1/sushi_microbiome.pdf

So it's not the same at all.

>>42160476
ANIMAL FATS GIVE YOU CANCER YOU WANNA DIE YOUNG ANON??

>>42160468
we are talking about the fact that you want to make your arguments so narrow (like the slit eyed japs that you like so much with your studies), that you discard an argument of which you know you cannot win against.

>>42160474
and you no longer can censor us, even the supreme court decided that you are not allowed to do that since our opinions are equal to yours in the arena, even if they come from such a base of the political spectrum.

you lose again. like the 10th creative thread in a row, during these many weeks that you shilled. But tomorrow its going to be amnesia time again lol.

>>42160476
But the important thing to understand there is that fat consumption has increased steadily over the last 100 years, so this "fat avoidance craze" hasn't had much of an impact. Refined sugar is shit, yes, we all agree on that, but fatty animal producs are also shit, this you need to get.

>>42160455
>>42160447
>>42160441
>>42160435
>>42160416
>>42160408
>>42160400
>>42160346
>>42160322
>>42160302
>>42160300
What the fuck does whiteness and seaweed digestibility have to do with veganism? How off topic can you get?

>>42160491
>>42160480

I already showed you that your milk-seaweed example is shit because they are two completely different things. One is regulated by failing to stop producing a digestive enzyme after breatfeeding, the other is caused by gut flora introduced by eating seaweed.

>>42160474
Far from it. But I refuse to believe that genetics doesn't play a part in diet. Some races are much better at handling other foods than others.


>>42160480
Our comparative gut metagenome analyses show that porphyranases and agarases are frequent in the Japanese population and that they are absent in metagenome data from North American individuals. Seaweeds make an important contribution to the daily diet in Japan (14.2 g per person per day), and Porphyra spp. (nori) is the most important nutritional seaweed, traditionally used to prepare sush. This indicates that seaweeds with associated marine bacteria may have been the route by which these novel CAZymes were acquired in human gut bacteria, and that contact with non-sterile food may be a general factor in CAZyme diversity in human gut microbes.

>To date, the literature describes six different strains of this species, all of which were isolated from the intestinal microbiota of Japanese individuals and the type strain was sequenced as part of the Human Microbiome Project (HMP, http://genome.wustl.edu/genomes).


>Interestingly, in one Japanese family, the mother and her unweaned baby girl had a microbiota containing porphyranase and agarase genes, suggesting that porphyranolytic gut Bacteroides strains may be transmitted between relatives.

>In contrast, when analysing the gut metagenome data of 18 North American individuals (total read length, 1,830,767,417 bp;
average length, 223 bp)7 no porphyranase or agarase genes were detected, even though this data set is 2.5-fold larger than the Japanese data set (almost tenfold considering average read length).

How does that disagree with my point that Japanese are much more adapted to consuming seaweed than white people?

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Anyone who has fallen for the Gary taubes meme of only sugar being bad and fat being an innocent scape goat etc. etc. Owe it to themselves to watch some of this guys vids if they actually care about the truth: https://www.youtube.com/user/PrimitiveNutrition/playlists

>>42160491
We don't need to censor you, actually I think that your position should be heard by as many people as will hear it.

Because you've convinced yourselves so thoroughly of eugenics and your genetic gifts that you are allowing yourselves to be (in)bred out of the genepool ala European royal families. Again, why censor someone that seems to advocate their own cultural annihilation?

>>42160542
This just sounds like a parallel of HAES rhetoric, "I can't lose weight I'm genetically predisposed to being 500+". "No one but pacific islanders should eat seaweed their aren't genetically predisposed to digesting it."

>>42160542
In that they are not? They have different gut flora because they have different diets.. The japanese eat seaweed and introduce a bacteria that is naturally present on the weed and aids their digestion, they have tons of this bacteria in their gut. North americans don't eat this seaweed, don't get the bacteria, thus don't have these genetic strains of bacteria in their guts. Are you playing dumb? You know what gut meta genome is right? it's not the peoples genes, it's the genome of their gut flora..

>>42160351
>DuckDuckGo

>>42160507
I don't know, he was trying to say that the okinawan diet somehow couldn't be applied to white people, I just followed him down the rabbit hole to see where he led me.

>tfw vegan

This is the best I've ever felt. You omnivores sure are missing out on this wonderful way of life.

>>42150528
neck theory strikes again

>>42160569
yeah but your gut population isn't set in stone. the composition of the microbiota fluctuates on a meal-to-meal, day-to-day, and stressor-to-stressor basis.

there is absolutely no reason why someone who starts eating seafood won't develop the bacteria

- t. grad student studying the microbiota

>>42160550
>was expecting to see these levels of mad
>received these levels of mad

glorious

>>42160629
>- t. grad student studying the microbiota

who gives a fuck?

>>42151140

Yes there is you imbecile.

Protein isn't one all encompassing magic molecule, it comes in a variety of forms, some more digestible than others, some not digestible at all.

There's a difference between plant and animal proteins, and how bio available they are.


I may have taken the bait with this, but incase you are really this retarded I thought I should let you know how much of a mong you are.

>>42160629
>t grad student studying the m..
>t Imma really a trump supporter and also veganist
>t did you know that FUCKING HITLER WAS A FGHDHRTERIANIST

so if shitskins drink a lot of milk, they will eventually develop lactose tolerance too?

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>>42160634
> completely ignoring the content of the post because you got called out as wrong

>>42160647
I'm just saying that spending a lot of money going to a completely useless institution doesn't give you extra credibility.

>>42160632
>Got btfo and couldn't think of a reply
>u mad bro?
Now I realize it's summer but it's not summer 2009...

>>42160629
Thats what I am saying? did you reply to the wrong post?

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Been vegan for 2 years, not big or anything, just do some complimentary lifts for my climbing, but certainly not feeling like protein is an issue. I don't eat any protein powder and don't even think about it so I can't image someone who does both of those things and want to get big would have any issues at all.

>>42160662
>lactose tolerance
>lipid catabolism

not sure if you are the same kike from the last round of the threads, but these seem to be "hate speech" if you got your way lol

Its the words that you fear most and try to weasel yourself around most. I guess I need to press here further?

>>42150528
imagine her dumps

>>42160372
>eating fat (i.e. animal fat) makes you diabetic
that is a fact for type II, but not for type I

>>42160710
>homozygosity
>genetic dead end

I can post vaguely relevant buzzwords out of context too.

>>42150528
This is a satire, right?

>>42160769
doesnt even make sense because the shitskins have the highest rates of inbreeding lol, the whites the lowest.

>>42156175

It's not unreasonable.

General guide for max gainz is 1g protein per pound bodyweight

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>>42150537
>every thread on /fit/ needs to a serious discussion with no joking around

So the take home message from this thread for a good diet would be

>calories from meat under 10%
>calories from dairy under 20%
>rest made up of plants, fruit, grains, seeds

is that fair?

>>42160638
Doesn't the fiber in plant based protein make it easier to process? I'm genuinely asking; I've read so many contradicting sources I don't know what to think anymore.

>>42160638
No there is not, all protein is broken down into amino acids and then reassembled according to needs. Animal protein doesn't just do directly through the blood while plant protein is broken down in the liver, they are both broken down. Sure there is a small difference in the bio availability, but not in the metabolism of the protein.

>>42161178
>small difference of bioavailability
>small
Keys cuck

>>42160408
jack bastard

>>42153807
ur rong

https://www.buzzfeed.com/expresident/reasons-to-try-veganism?utm_term=.onnP2mb9G#.yvPRDoW0E


>this is how you look

>>42161226
"Table 8. Some values (%) for digestibility of proteins in man.
True Digestibility
Protein source Mean Reference
Egg 97
Milk, Cheese 95
Meat, Fish 94
Maize 85
Rice, polished 88
Cottonseed 90
Sunflower seed, flour 90
Wheat, whole 86
Wheat, refined 96
Wheat flour, white 96
Wheat gluten 99
Oatmeal 86
Millet 79
Peas, mature 88
Peanuts 94
Peanut butter 95
Soyflour 86 4
Soy protein isolate 95
Beans 78
Corn, whole 87
Farina 99
Triticale 90
Corn, cereal 70
Wheat, cereal 77
Rice, cereal 75
Oats, cereal 72
Maize + beans 78
Maize + beans +milk 84
India rice diet 77
Indian diet + milk 87
Chinese mixed diet 96
Brazilian mixed diet 78
Filipino mixed diet 8
American mixed diet 96
Indian rice + beans diet 78"

Source: http://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/10665/38133/1/9251030979_eng.pdf

Yes, it's pretty small.

>>42153546
This actually looks pretty good.

So how is veganism working out for you. What are your lifting PRs?

>>42160701
>trenskin

>>42161563
hahaha are you implying I use gear? How does my skin indicate tren usage?

>>42161178

Chatting shit, just quit now, you're making yourself look stupid.

You even contradict yourself in the same post, are you high?

>>42161660
You know it's true. I don't contradict myself.

>>42161713

Explain how two groups of protein can have different bioavailabilty if they are not digested differently.

>>42160701
guetto phone/10

>>42161317
>buzzfeed

>>42162394
It's second hand, I don't spend money on phones.

>>42162386
Because you have an arbitrary standard for "meat". Instead of deepthroating that broscience index from "bodybuilding.com" that keeps being copy&pasted without having any scientific source, look at this: >>42161399

As you can see, some animal products, like meat, has the same bioavailability as some plants, some plant foods have even higher, like wheat gluten(which the meat substitute seitan is made of). Some animals products has higher and some plants higher, if you don't understand this you are beyond retarded. If you compare "meat" to what you will replace it with in your diet like soy, wheat, nuts etc. you see that there is pretty much no difference.

Protein is fucking protein, the amino acids pretty much all come from plants to start with, so thinking there is a categorical difference between animal protein and plant protein is a fucking retard. The only variation is in amino acid ratios, but if you eat high protein foods you will meet your needs regardless if it's plants or animal producs.

>>42160369
And their average height never improved until capitalism brought meat into their general diet.

>>42163259
Who the fuck are you talking about/to?