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>>41847031
To all /fat/izens, pls don't use adderall / other stimulants to lose weight. I saw someone post about it in another thread, but didn't get a chance to tell him off.

Adderall will kill your appetite, in fact it'll make it near impossible to eat anything while on the drug. As a result I personally lost around 10 lbs in a week during finals last semester.
But trust me, it isn't worth it. In any university you'll notice the guys who are addicted to the stuff. Not only are they always super skinny and irritable, they're also legitimtely drug addicts.

I had to pop my ex-roommate right in da fibber as he kept tryin to steal my girls jewelry and my pocket money. You'll become a genuine fiend for the stuff. It's addictive as all hell. I usually end up taking addy every day for about a week during finals and I still occasionally am hit with a craving for it months after the fact. It's just not worth it.

>>41847226
Thanks for this. Been thinking about using adderall to help with studying, but you've talked me out of it. I've been using caffeine and l-theanine and it's worked relatively well, guess I'll just stick with that

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>>41847252
Using adderall once a year to help with finals can actually be really helpful, but it's safer to just avoid it altogether. It's really not that different from the "speed" you can find on the street.

>>41847226
Seconding this, took the shit my entire life growing up, it stunted my mental development (deficient working memory) and I crave it constantly even to this day (2 years since I last took it).

>>41847226
What lie do I need to tell a doctor to get a prescription of Adderall?

>>41847031
>tfw still sore from saturday
it's just been constant glute doms since adding in jefferson deadlifts. my booty is looking j00ci tho

>>41847303
Study the symtoms of a.d.d. and run with it

>>41847372
Being able to focus to stud yisnthe problem.

>>41847226

I would say: "Unless you have a legit ADD diagnosis from a psychiatrist". There's a huge overlap between ADD and obesity:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3221303/

I know in my case, I got an effective treatment for ADD. Then immediately started working out, exercising, and dieting. Because all of a sudden I could. It was like my body was a car stuck in neutral. I'd gotten good use out of it, but If I needed it to do anything I really had do get out and push. Getting treatment was like suddenly being able to shift it into gear and drive.

>>41847226
Yeah, guys, don't do adderall.
Ephedrine, though.

Made big progress this weekend, motivated me alot for the week, watch out I'm going to win this weeks weigh in I can feel it

Father forgive me for I have sinned.

how did I miss the new thread

>>41847901
Fat clogging your brain arteries

>>41847572
(large) indeed

>>41847901
>>41843348

>>41843348

>>41843348
Cause there was one already.

How low can you drop your calorie intake? Websites recommend 1700 or so for me. Would it be safe to drop it down to 1200-1500?

>>41848234
do it and see what happens

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Are there negative effects associated with black coffee that would make one limit the amount they consume?

I love coffee and it's a great tool during my 16:8 IF. I usually switch to decaf coffee closer to bedtime, but I've heard that decaf coffee has higher acidity?

Anyway, what are your guy's opinions on black coffee?

>>41848698

Just general concerns of raping your teeth and being weary of the side effects of caffeine. I drink 2 cups of half caff a day and find it helps alot with not only being alert but staying in my calories for the day.

Being sore means progress right?

R-right?

Good god, the carb and sugar being cocaine tier was not a joke. I have been doing a fairly low carb diet, not keto but just so happen to eat alot less carbs when ya trying to fill macros. Came home and saw my gf bought some dominos. Legit crusty ass, 2 hour old dominos on the counter, took a small bite and literally saw fucking jesus. My body convulsed and I had to physically leave the room to stop myself from destroying the whole thing in a primal assault of carbohydrates.

I have done many a drug in my life but I never realized how insane salt, fat, and carbs can be. Be careful anons who have cheat days....

>>41848817
If you mean soreness from working out, that is normal for a beginner and it will go away as long as you are consistent.

>>41848840
Seriously. Lost 8lbs in a week using keto (convinced it was water weight) my lady got Boston market for fathers day dinner. I hit 150g of carbs in one meal. Could stop myself from having several helpings. Suffering now, though.

>>41849382
Fuck. Couldn't* stupid auto correct

Is it possible that I naturally have muscular shoulders? They are really broad but I never really worked out at my high weight before losing. 350 -> 280 they don't seem like weak skeletor shoulders.

>>41848209
kek

Being a former fattie cola and chocolate munching faggot i can promise you that when you start jogging (which you should) it will feel like hell, every part of your body hurts the few first times. Now what you have to understand is that you are not used to pain, weight lifting and exercise in general means getting used to the fatigue and pain, BUT you need to know the difference between serious injury and serious soreness. IT WILL GET BETTER OVER TIME, just remember to eat normal amounts of food its not about the amount of food but the quality and healthiness of it.

>>41848840
Sugar industry in the USA is crazy and people are suffering because of it.

Other than strips is there a way to find out if I am in Keto? I haven't gotten the flu but I have been trying to keep my keto diet proper for I think 3 weeks now.

Sup /fat/

AnalFag here. I'm 12 pounds down in 15 days. By body fat % lost, I'm down 6 pounds of fat. (25.2% to start, currently 23.1%.) I'm not stuck on the percentage, but it's close enough to gauge progress. I'm having a hard time seeing any results besides on the scale. My stomach looks/feels slightly less fat (and bloated) but my waist hasn't budged at all. Belt is still exactly as tight as when I started. Am I not losing any fat at all? Any reason my waist has shrank at all in 12 pounds?

>>41849699
Sounds like you're losing muscle/mostly the fat inside your body, like, your intestines and shit. That's a lot of weight to lose without seeing a single physical change.

You eating anything, anon? Working out a lot? What's your weight loss technique?

>>41849699
Now IF you are only drinking water and eating least amounts of carbs n sugar you should see results even without much exercise in about 6 months, i wouldnt want to lose fat any faster because your skin might not be able to keep up with that.

I'm on a low carb diet. I'm exercising for 30 minutes every day (running) minimal sugars (0 refined) and I'm operating at a ~1800/calorie/day deficit

>>41849732
I wouldnt recommend going on a deficit when you dont have any muscle mass on you. Build up basic muscle mass before doing that.

>>41849742
Lol wut

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I haven't added the last 3 days of data yet

>>41849750
Starving yourself is not the answer

>>41849752
>exercises for 6 hours over 11 days
You gotta pump those numbers up bro

>>41849758
You are assuming that an 1800 deficit is starving? And if they're 400 lbs? No. They didn't say.

>>41849760
Ok! That I can do. Thank you for the advice! 45 minutes/day? I've been setting new PR's every 3-4 days

>>41849750
You want to increase your metabolism, not eating makes it harder.

>>41849773
I don't starve myself - see my charts above. I eat a lot of vegetables and lean meats.

>>41847226
I don't think you were taking Adderall...

>>41849769
I weigh 138 lbs and i know if i want to keep building muscle i need atleast 2500 kcal / day.

>>41849783
I guess you have a lower metabolism then..or you're not lifting heavy.

>>41849805
I'm not lifting at all. Right now I'm focused on running. Muscle is less important to me currently than weight loss. Don't know if I'm ready to spring for a gym membership

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Some more data about AnalFag
Starting bodyfat 25.2%
Starting muscle mass 40.8%

>>41849817
If you're serious about losing weight, lifting is the best way.

>>41849843
That's fair. I've heard that advice quite a bit. I think it's about time I start listening. I'll get a gym membership in a week or two.

>>41849856
Just focus on the compound movements and really study how to do them right and youll have fun doing it. :)

>>41847031
>>41847031
anyone have the link to that google doc of the losertown weight loss contest?

i know i saw it on one of these threads a while back

>>41849727
>implying your skin will tighten at all whether you lose pound a month or 50 and not that it all depends on genetics and if you've been fat your entire life/only recently

>>41849832
Why should anyone care?

>>41849832
>weighing every day
faggot

>>41849856
>in a week or two
never going to make it

>eat around 60g of fibers every day
>1200cal
>can't shit
>start counting how much water i drink
>not enough
>starts counting
>force myself to overhydrate
>starts to shit again

can someone explain this? because i can't. I literally can't shit for days if i don't drink 6lt of water daily.

Who here 80/10/10
Getting dat TDEE up to 3500+ through biking .

>>41850676

did it last summer, lost tons of motivation after going back home in autumn, gl have fun.

>>41850696
Yeah right now I have all the free time in the world but i'm afraid I won't be able to keep up once I stop being a fucking NEET .

I can spend hours and hours improving my bodies through thousands of kilometers of biking .

I feel sad for the low carb / keto folks who can't exercise properly more than 1 hours a day .

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According to the scale I lost 9 lbs in less than a week. Water weight?

>>41850712

what i really don't understand is the need to swap fats w carbs, same calories, I also don't buy the "eat fat to burn fat", i tried in my youth and it didn't work, and I was exercising a lot, weight lifting and cardio almost daily, I was burning at least 1000-1500calories from that alone + bmr.
During that period my hr was around 33-38, scary, i was cycling at least 170km/w + random walks

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>bloating 24/7 even though I'm normal BMI now
>stomach looks like fucking balloon all the time
>no diet changes have helped
>doctors have no idea what causes it

no way I'm gonna live rest of my life like this

Can someone redpill me on sugar-free energy drinks?, I'm used to having at least 1 energy drink a day for energy and now I'm only relying on cups of tea which I put way too much sugar into to be comfortable with.

>>41850752
The problem is that the higher the intensity , the higher the carbs need .

The more you get up to 100% Vo2Max the less you can use fat and the more you use carbs .

When you're "fat" adapted it slightly change the ratio at low intensity <70% .

No matter how high your willpower is you'll be bottle necked by the Fat oxidation limit , at some point no matter how big your oxygen uptake is you won't be able to oxidize fat faster , Meaning you won't really get that much more energy between 2800 Kcals or 3800 Kcals on a Isocarb diet where the only variable is fat ., on the other hand the speed at which you can slash trough carb is insane and it can really make use of your potential oxygen uptake to provide energy .

>>41848234
don't go below 1200. The lower you go the more likely you will have a fallback to the old habbits. at first, try to stick to a 500 - 1000 calorie deficit depending on your current TDEE.

>>41850774
are you lactose and gluten tolerant? have you tried cutting these out from your diet?

>>41850774

Google inflammatory bowel disease and try the FODMAP diet for a few weeks and see how you feel. No this isn't pseudoscience but it is also not guaranteed to work in all people.

Incline threadmills: what angle do you use?

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tell me (You)r sin, my son

>>41850791

There have been studies that show tat people who drink artificially sweetened drinks put on 2-3km MORE than those who drink full-sugar ones. However that is just correlation and it may be that the people who drink sugar-free ones think they are being healthy and so binge on junk-food and put the weight on that way.

Also people will tell you they cause cancer but there is no evidence to support that.

TL;DR Having one or two per day is probably fine if it helps kill your sugar/carb cravings and is combined with a calculated caloric deficit for losing weight.

>>41850868
Both are tested and don't have them

>>41850882
You probably meant IBS and not IBD. I've tried FODMAP and it didn't do anything at all.

My last hope is some sort of hormonal problem which affects my metabolism.

If you're far under your calorie limit and completely filled by those meals, is it okay to eat garbage like fast food?

I've been completely content with a my routine of oatmeal for breakfast, Greek yogurt for lunch, and ~500 calories of whatever protein-heavy meat that I bought for dinner. This is leaving me at an average of ~800 calories every day, and my limit is 1500. Would it be okay to go out and grab a sandwich from Chick-fil-A for lunch for more protein and to bump me up to around ~1200 calories a day, or should I stick to the yogurt since I'm completely fine with it?

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>>41850910
yes goy , keep eating fast food meat and limiting yourself to 1500 fucking calories ( a small woman in a coma ? )

>>41850791
Try licorice root tea and you won't dump sugar into your tea ever again.

>>41850910
Unless you are a femlet there is no reason to eat less than 1200 calories a day.

just eat a bit more oatmeal, yogurt, protein for each meal

>>41850910

i wouldn't fuck up my diet so bad just for eating shit. If i crave, i crave more food in general, not shit.

>>41850791
The ultimate sugar free energy drink is black coffee.

Buy a french press/aeropress and a coffee grinder and you are set for life.

>>41850910
The whole point is that they fill up your daily calories for less macros

eat less move more.

>>41850907
Most of these problems seem to stem from poor balance of bacteria in the gut; that's my impression of it. Have you ever drunk kombucha, or consumed other fermented foods?

>>41847226
>pls don't use adderall / other stimulants to lose weight
Caffeine helps me prevent stress eating though, but it makes my anxiety worse.

>>41850889
Yesterday I felt really depressed and I ended up eating a whole pack of biscuits with some butter, sugar and cinnamon.

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>3kg to goal weight
>Mom flipping her shit at my weight loss
>Just sat me down and tried to lecture me, a grown-ass man in the best shape of his life, about why what he's doing is unhealthy

I don't get it /fit/. She isn't even fat. At least the numbers on the scale are happy for me.

>>41851083
good food will make you feel good eat some fruit & vedgies

>>41851103
good lad i remember being in your shoes when every 1 things you have aids or some shit how much u lost

>>41851105
Good foods won't stop me from remembering that stupid thing I did 5 years ago that nobody else remembers.

>>41851060
>Have you ever drunk kombucha, or consumed other fermented foods?
No. It all started after the worst pain I've ever had in my life on my stomach.

I've taken probiotics too but they haven't helped either. It could be SIBO though, I'll need to talk about that with my doctor.

>>41850791
>Aspartame proven completely safe
>Acids in energy drinks proven to slowly wear away at tooth enamel
>Contains caffeine

Pretty much as you'd expect.

5'7 170 pounds
not sure if I should cut or just maintain and slowly get fit at this point,

Why must buttered bread taste so good?
God must be mocking me

>>41851103
How you losing weight m8?

>>41851161
You're fat

>>41851173
thermodynamics its the only way

>>41851173
Weapons grade autistic calorie counting 500cal under maintenance with 1 moderate cheat meal a week tops combined with a PPLxPPLx program.

>>41851177
yeah I probably am fat and delusional, my mind is fucking with me trying to find reasons to not diet and eat junk food. fuck

>>41850883
1.0

>>41847572
stop posting in every thread we get it your fat haha

>>41851186
Ah okay that sounds fine. I thought maybe you were doing something retarded like water fasting for a month or dnp. You're fine lad, mom's adjust eventually.

>>41851161
Providing you haven't lifted much before and are sporting an untrained amount of muscle mass you'd likely be fat. I'm also 5'7, but at 150lb and I'm still fighting for 15% bf. Cut down a bit first man, or take some measurements and figure out your bf% in order to give you a better idea where you're at.

>>41851206
Yeah, I think it's because I was a fat cunt as a kid and my households diet is dogshit so I don't touch most of it, always coated in butter and oil with fried chips as sides. Once I realised how disgusting I was I started losing weight and haven't stopped. The most likely reason why my mom isn't overweight is because she eats an actual meal only once a day normally.

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You fat fuckers are so funny. I literally can't stop laughing everytime I see people like you when I go outside. You should lock yourself in your houses like the pigs you are or be as /fit/ as I am before you start going outside. You landwhales are so fucking disgusting.

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1k below maintenance+training calories good?

>>41851244
depends on your maintenance, ie. how fat are you?

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>>41851239

>>41851264

275 pounds

>>41851239
I'm not going to exercize this afternoon, probably not tomorrow either. I tried but it's so damn hot. I went for 5 minutes and I already felt like I had done 40 minutes and my muscles felt like jelly, nearly fell asleep after I sat for a minute too. At least I did some this morning. I'll try and do more tomorrow morning when it's a bit fresher.

>>41851285
regardless of your height you could definitely get away with a 1000 deficit.

Just make sure you can actually maintain it. A 500 calorie deficit that you can maintain with little effort is better than a 1000 calorie deficit that makes you want to kill yourself.

>>41851227
I get that feel m8. Yesterday I tried telling my mother that she perhaps might not have been conscious about my diet and nutrition as a child which caused me to be overweight for most of my life. She flipped out and took it super personal. There's just no reasoning with them.

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Thanks for your help, /fat/. Couldn't have done it without you.

>>41851363
congrats my man.

What's the plan now?

>>41851315
It's a shame, because I know she didn't mean me harm. It's an issue of a society where we don't teach people about the effects of inproper nutrition. I'll never bring it up with her, because I love her to death and wouldn't want to hurt her feelings, but I'm also not going to let her ignorance stand in the way of my health. I'm just happy I've managed to inspire a friend of mine to join me with losing weight.

>>41851374

>bound all the weight back for lose it all again
>the challenge starts now

>>41851302

I'm just trying out for now, but I hope that I can maintain this for at least a few months. Luckily I'm not much for binging, so if I ever drop off the wagon, it won't be that bad.

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>>41851374
Thanks, anon. Gonna shift into eating at maintenance until my lifts stall followed up by a clean bulk. Excited to finally up my carb intake.

>>41851402
I wouldn't jump into that large of a deficit immediately. If you are literally JUST starting calorie counting and exercise you should probably start with a lower cut, like 250 and then gradually decrease it.

You'll be losing weight fast at first regardless of your deficit.

>>41851103
mom's afraid you'll go all grown up and independednt on her (no matter what your age is). Tell her you love her but its time to cut the chord.

>>41851423

Any physiological reasons, or is it just mental?

I haven't found it to be that bad yet though.

I am weak /fat/ and the testosterone I am on is making me only hungry and horny. It was easier to diet while low-t.

>"Why do you keep buying this food if you don't eat it?"
been rumbled

>>41851464
mental I guess. If you don't have a problem with it then go for it. But I know I had a hard time just starting out while I was still trying to figure out what I should and shouldn't eat. Starting low and increasing gave me time to get used to eating less and time to figure out what I should and shouldn't eat, while still losing weight.

If I had jumped straight into a 1000 deficit and exercise I KNOW I would have dropped it after 2 weeks.

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>tfw lost a ton of weight, but now instead of being fat and wanting to kill myself, I'm normal sized and still want to kill myself

>dinner time
>time to eat
>what to have
>so much food in the house
>can't decide
>fuck it, have nothing
3 days now, is this winning?

Any decent ways to cook canned spinach? Trying to eat at least one serving a day. A healthy food grocery list would be cool too along with the right kind of cheese

>>41851590

tomato sauce

also frozen > canned

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>>41851545
>tfw iktf

>>41851600
Canned spinach is what I have right now but I'll get frozen next time

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>tfw you're going to buy a kitchen scale so you finally can see if your food estimates were real

>>41851649
>estimates
triggered

Down from 330 to 317.2lb this morning over a period of 3 weeks, probably because I'm eating 2kcal approx. Which is way lower than a 500 deficit, but I doubt the speed will keep up for long, planning on sticking to 2kcal for quite some time.

>>41851706
a lot of that may have been water weight, which everyone loses a lot of at first. So expect your weight loss to slow down, you can't let it discourage you. All you can do is keep going,

14.53 and so far 2 cups of coffee and 1 glass of water

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>>41847031
took a long time but finally aproaching normality, used this site (cronometer)to log in all of my stuff, great for checking your gluttony daily walks. Noticed I was stuffing my face with carbs so I gradually cut a lot of them replaced them with more natural food although I do slip a lot.
So far my slow progress has meant no loose skin even though I'm 30
It's like a different man,people that knew me as fat always compliment me, I've "unlocked" hundreds of $ worth of clothes I had in my closet
feels good lads

Fasting for ramazan right now, but managed to eat healthy this year. Omelette and brown bread for breakfast. Had chicken jalfrezi for dinner yesterday.
Here's the thing. My mom made oatmeal cookies and also got some croissants. What do /fat/?

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>anon, you're mexican you'll never be skinny
>another person keeps saying "I don't want to be to slim'
>don't get too skinny ,you'll lose strength
>tfw counting my macros in and I've never been stronger
>been lifting for years on a permabulk
>dropped 50lbs be counting calories and weighing food on my electronic scale down to the gram
>Eating calories based on my TDEE
>getting my macros in
>actually looking like I've been lifting for years now
anyone else pick up haters?

>>41851853
Renounce your sand religion.

>>41851876
no

>>41849524
Go do some OHP and find out

>>41849617
When you are fat and start jogging for the first time it feels like your internal organs are going to explode

>>41851865
just now my mum said my face looked 'skeletal'

this is just what non-fat people look like mum, not surprised you don't know that

>>41851853
Why does /fit/ have so many muzzies?

>>41847226
i took adderal once a day (20mlg) and i still eat and felt hungry all the time.

>>41849694
Ketonix measures the acetone in your breath. I use it every morning and it's pretty accurate. Not as accurate as blood testing of course but it's reusable and give a good estimate of how well you're doing.

>>41849752
What software is this?

>>41850720
Yes. Maximum weight loss at rest is like 0.5lb a day. That's eating nothing.

>>41851865

Why are moms always such gains goblins?

>I'm 5'9" 186 lbs
>Want to slim down to ~ 170 lbs and then bulk
>"Anon don't lose any more weight you're already a stick!"
>"Why won't you have any more cake? It's your father's birthday".
>"Anon you're scaring me with how obsessed you are with counting calories and protein".

I know she means well but I look and feel better than ever before - my 26 year old self has more confidence and energy than my 21 year old self.

>>41850889
I had on of those healthy premade snacks. It had Apples, cheese and grapes. However it also comes with caramel for dipping. I always throw the caramel away, but not this time. This time I opened the caramel and dipped m fork in. I licked some and was ashamed. I threw the rest away immediately.

Forgive me father. The beetus called and I answered.

>>41852101
Ha. My mother always reminds me to count calories when I visit home. Then again she is a nurse so she has a good idea of what healthy weight is for most people.

>attempt at cooking steel cut oats failed for the third day in a row
Am I really losing much for going back to instant?

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>>41847031
started out around here

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>>41852227
Me a few days ago.

Lost about 25-30kg so far, been on a few dates with some girls off Tinder after 3 years of almost no contact with women, and picked up a new job. Feeling much better about myself lately.

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>lose a bunch of weight
>still exhausted
welp, looks like I need to try something else

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>>41852240
Major face gains while I've been losing weight too, this shit is great.

>>41852265
Id say lose the fuzz or grow a proper beard

>>41852387
Working on the second one but I'm keeping the crap shaved off for now, yeah.

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4,000kcal dinner
yay or nay?
been good for almost a year

>>41852172
How the fuck do you fail at cooking oatmeal. All you fucking do is add water and heat it up

>>41852406
Bro, as long as you don't do it on a daily basis you're fine with the odd indulgence

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>>41852406
Nay, not because you can't cheat now and again, but because when I did something similar it really fucked me up. I was eating really good and healthy, and then had a heavy dinner and some cheesecake. My stomach wasn't used to that anymore, so I ended up on the toilet and with stomach pains.

If you really have been eating super clean, I would say ease into some cheat-like food rather than dive in.

>>41852430
it would take me at least 3 days to eat all that

>>41852430
No he's not. Then losing weight becomes totally pointless, since you'll crack sooner or later.
Change your fucking eating habits. Once you feel no joy from eating something sweet or drinking soda, that's when you made it.
Once you're high or drunk and you say no to fucking kebab, that's when you made it.
Before that it's just useless torture.
You need to understand you eat because you need to. Food is just a bunch of shit you put inside your mouth in order to survive. The fact you like it and it feels "tasty" is just your body's trick. You need to elevate yourself above that.

>>41852450
projection
not everyone needs to be locked in a steel cage to stop damaging themselves

>>41852450
I had to eat a few junk meals before I realized I didn't like it anymore.

Also I'm skinny and still enjoy eating. I just eat smaller portions. I enjoy going to restaurants and such, one of my favorite bits of travel is finding great places to eat.

>>41852458
But that's my point m8, it's not a steel cage, I'm not restraining myself or having constant desire. I simply got over it, and as weird or funny as that sounds I understood the purpose of food.
I think this is the easiest way for someone to lose weight and maintain health.

>>41852474
I've done almost a year
I'm sure I could do another
you cracked 0% desire, well done, but people with 0.1% desire are gonna make it too

I'm trying canderel to sweeten my oatmeal, but does anyone know how much is suitable?

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Yesterday was bad.

2 Sausage and 2 rashers (bacon) for breakfast.

4 pints of coors light, 1 pint of heineken.

Sticky wings, barbecue ribs with chips, and sticky toffee pudding. Washed down with a pint of Heineken :(

>>41852520
why even have that in the house?

>>41852443
3 days? I could all of that in one.

>>41852552
I'm sure I'd attempt it, but that would end in disaster

>>41852562
describe in greater detail what would happen

>>41852450
Nope. Eating tasty food for me is a joy I'd never deprive myself of and you can still be perfectly healthy but eat the odd bit of junk food. Its all about moderation. Junk food isn't the same thing as shit like heroine. Its fine in moderation, bad in excess

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>>41852545
Was out all day (Pub + restaurant), we had good weather.

>>41852450
you have an unhealthy relationship with food my dude
it's not evil

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>>41852116
while doing that you already knew you were going to write this, didn't you?

>>41852566
delayed nausea
stomach cramps so intense they keep you awake at night
probably vomitting, either induced to stop the cramps or involuntary and all over the floor

trust me, you only make that mistake once

>>41852627
I know the feeling. I didn't vomit but was nauseated, my stomach felt like it had a cut in it, and I had jetstreams of shit coming out my asshole.

>>41848234

I don't really trust the websites, my body usually run like 300 or so what they tell me

>>41847031
I am going to skip the gym today since I still have doms in my legs from last Thursday

>>41852809
Do some walking. Helps and is good for you.

Does anyone have those pics of easy recipes to make? I'd like something different besides yogurt, eggs, chicken and fruit.

I just love Chipotle too much

>>41852838
Beef strips+rice with a dash of hot sauce is pretty darn tasty. Add a side of stirfried/steamed veggies

wew, bit warm
might forgo the siracha today, have cool chive instead

>>41852649
Are you lactose intolerant?

>>41852809
My legs feel better after lifting with DOMS. Can't skip the gym unless you are legitimately sick or injured

>>41851865
Remember anon, only the slim Mexicans can climb over the wall. Good luck with losing weight.

>>41852911
No.

>>41852922
>slim
>Mexican

>>41849699
Keep at it, started out at 280, I lost some fat in my gut first till 260, then legs and butt slimmed down till 250ish, then my gut again till 230, then my back and face till 220, then my sides till 210 and then my gut again till I hit my target weight of 190

The body can be weird af

>>41852927
Well what you described sounds like a lactose intolerant reaction. Pizza does have products that contain lactose after all and the fact you can only eat so much without a reaction just draws to a similar conclusion

>>41852990
In my case it wasn't pizza, it was just rich food and desert. I think my body wasn't used to the sugar from the desert. I'd been eating barely any.

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I fell off keto.
I was almost at the one-month mark of no binges or slip ups.
I had a milkshake.
It was good.

>>41848234
It's not dangerous, but it's not fun at all, especially if you're working out. Women drop down to this (around 1200) for show prep. It's in no way sustainable but it does help you reach a cut look for a brief period of time.

If you're looking for a healthy caloric intake, as a woman, stick around 1500-2000. Dudes can aim for 2000-2500.

>>41848234
It really depends on your weight, goals, etc.

I'm 5'7 on 1500 to cut and it's working great right now. 1800 was causing me to stall. I suggest going by the websites for a week, checking your progress, then adjusting as needed. Just don't go 1200 low except for a really short time.

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So, should I be concerned about how much sodium I am consuming? Will it affect my weightloss at all?

Obviously I should be trying to reduce it, but is it going to affect my weightloss?

how do I get my most accurate TDEE?
what info do I need

>>41853240
It might make you retain a little extra water. Otherwise, you should be fine.

>>41853240
No. Don't believe the myths and lies about salt, anything up to 200% RDA of salt is literally a none issue.

>>41853255
>>41853268
Thanks.

I've been meaning to change those wraps anyway. They aren't very healthy.

Also, what's RDA?>>41853268

What lifting routines do you guys do?

How much weight can you reasonably use in a week when you're fat as heck? I heard you can easily lose 1% of your total bodyweight but I haven't been able to find a definite answer. I'm 6 foot tall and 245 lbs. I started out at 280, went down to 210, then gained back after I wasn't able to cook.

ate two more of those mixed nuts
the bag might be gone in 2 weeks

>>41853268
That applies to a healthy person, not your typical /fattie/. You can get your blood pressure down on low salt diet. And high BP is usually a prevalent health issue with the obese, one that restricts their capacity for exertion.

>>41853648
SS + a shit load of walking and stretching

>>41853680
at that size 1-2 pounds is reasonable. I lost around 1.5 pounds a week on average at your size without much difficulty.

>>41853756
I generally lose 2-2.5 lbs a week when I just eat less easily, just wanna make sure I don't lose too much (which I doubt).

>>41853772
2 pounds a week is the recommended max for long periods of time, but you'll start losing less in a couple months if you keep eating the way you are now naturally, so you'll probably be fine.

I was up to 212 on a heavy bulk. In a couple months I'm now at 185, still no abs and am weak as shit. Also losing 12ish pounds in 3 weeks didn't help a week ago.

The upside is that I have been getting a tremendous amount of boners out of the blue lately. Morning wood, afternoon wood, supper wood. I never thought I had any penis problems and instead just had a lot of self control, but this weight loss seemed to give me tremendous penis powers. Has this happened to anyone else?

>>41852520
the 5 pints wouldnt have done to much damage if you ate well, I also had 5 pints of coors yesterday as a cheat but ate under 1000 calories of food, pick your treat, have the food or have the beer

>>41853844
Fat people generally have a harder time with hardons.

Why are love handles so hard to lose? The rest of my body has slimmed down, yet these two chunks of fat are still sticking out of my sides. I know these are usually the last thing to go, but goddamn is it annoying.

>>41853919
Core fat is the last to go you said it yourself. Maybe try compression garments though.

DISCLAIMER: I am a compression garment fetishist.

>>41851190
Lose it fatty, even at 150 at 5'7 I was fat

>>41853886
I wasn't even that fat though (5'11.5). But if this makes my penis feel better, I might have to go on a recomp or something just to maintain.

Hopefully this gives me the chance to get my strength back though.

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i'm losing weight but i feel like it's giving me gyno

what do

>>41854030
Why do you feel like you're getting gyno? Do your tits look bigger?

I need help, I started at the gym almost two months ago and have lost around 12lbs. My target weight is 180 and I am still very far from that goal. However I seem to have hit a plateau, for 3 weeks I just cannot go down from 219. I am stuck. I am eating less and more healthy but I have done a day or two of cheats, are they that bad that offset the gains of the week?

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>>41847031
> I take pictures not just for representation but for myself, to remind me that the visual image of me is me, is mine, is natural, and is in its own way a beauty defined by me

>>41854084
beauty is in the eye of the beholder
but if it's in your eyes only then that makes you a narcissist

>>41854068
You tend to hit plateau as your body adjusts I think. Water weight, you lose less when you're skinnier, etc. Just make sure you don't go over your weekly cals and stick with it, you should start losing again.

>>41854055
yeah. can't take a pic since i'm at work but I'll post it later

>>41854118
They might just look bigger now that you have less fat around your tibbies.

How the fuck do i give up bread and shit and go back to my keto life? I was doing good and i fucked up. Been fucking up since

Why aren't you all on adipex?

Appetite killer, non-addictive, energy boost and diuretic

help me I am making myself fucking bulimic.
I had 3 weeks of strict PSMF with no carbs and shit, everything was going fine then I posted on a thread how good this was and some moron told me to "Refeed". Well that refeed turned into a 3 days binge in which I probably reached 15k calories. The thing is I look fucking huge and bloated but really muscular. How do I get back on tracks

>>41854348
because my appetite is fine

i just chose unhealthy foods before

>>41854365
Discipline, salad, sleep

>>41851363
>Share photo
>Nope, still ugly

>>41852406
Nay
its good to have a cheat meal every once in a while but holy shit why on earth would you want to cheat 4000 cal in one meal and one DOMINOS meal at that?

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I need genuine advice because I'm really scared that I'm gonna fuck this up and be worse off than I started.

I've been counting calories for 10 months and lost a lot of weight. I dare say I'm at goal weight, even though I never specified what I wanted that to be. I just wanted to keep going until I had no visible fat.
So over the past 10 months I set some rules.
Never go over 1500kcal a day, that way even if I'm not making progress, I'm not undoing the work I've done. I can eat whatever I want as long as the daily total is under this number.
Count everything and round up to 50kcal. That gives me some wiggle room in case I count it up wrong, or the label is incorrect, or anything like that.
So now my weight has gone from 310lbs to 150lbs, and I'm ecstatic, but not satisfied with it.
I still have rolls of fat, I can grab handfuls of it. It's disgusting.
My average daily calories is currently sitting at 902. For this week alone it's 842.
I keep hearing it's not enough, and I can't justify raising it because it's working, I'm not seeing any adverse effects from it, why fix what isn't broken.
But obviously I can't live on that much forever, i'm going to have to raise that number eventually, and that genuinely scares the crap out of me. I really don't want to have to do that, because that's playing with fire. I don't trust myself to eat more than the absolute minimum.
If I start taking in 1700kcal a day and I see the scale move up, I know that's going to make me want to double down and limit calories, or start throwing up meals (which I've done once or twice, usually because of stomach cramps after lots of carbs).

I understand this is an odd problem to have on /fat/, but I need someone to tell me what to do, and more importantly, explain why so I can rationalise it to myself.

>>41854489
for science

>>41852916
But doms are an injury. They are your muscles in pain due to small tairs. Wouldn't lifting with doms lead to long term muscle damage and worse injuries?

>>41854558
>I still have rolls of fat, I can grab handfuls of it. It's disgusting.
Is this while standing? Can you see your abs?

Having a small percentage of fat is acceptable.

>TFW I eat one junk food item every day but still lose weight because I watch my calories

I've never been happier on a diet

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>tfw got invited to a summer vacation with my family
>hotel has both breakfast and dinner buffet

Should I just try to go below maintenance in all but 1 or 2 days, where I indulge myself? If I do, those will be my only cheat days that I have that month.

>>41854790
DOMS isn't a real injury, it's just soreness. Sure it's caused by small tares in your muscle fiber, but it doesn't ACTUALLY impair the ability of your muscles to lift. Just your mentality.

If you wait until you are no longer sore before you lift again you are going to get DOMS every time you do. Just gotta bare through it for a week or two and you wont get them very frequently ever again.

If it's an actual injury like pulling/tearing a muscle you do need time off to recover, but not for DOMS.

>>41847226
It sounds like you were just on speed which is in fact, not adderall.

282 lbs as of this morning
>Been doing Greyskull LP for a few months now
>See Doc to get bloodwork done as well as usual check up.
>He wants me to up my cardio and focus on doing higher reps rather than more weight

Should I just keep doing Greyskull and just do every set until failure on a lower weight or just switch programs entirely?

I ate a whole cake today.

How much is your weight supposed to fluctuate in a day? I seem to easily go up and down a kilo depending on what time it is, heavier in the mornings, lighter in the evenings before dinner.

>>41855145
buffet food is usually terrible. wouldn't you rather have quality calories than shit?

>had a rolo mcflurry and a large milkshake yesterday

I stopped lifitng for 2 months because I did not wanted to drive 1 hour for just the gym from my internship.
Intership is over and I life closer to the gym. Lost strength and gained weighed. I am now currently at 94 kg at 1.83 m.

Is it best to change my diet slowely? I wanted to add more proteins and slowely build down the carbohydrates from my diet.

>>41855247

Think it's a pretty good hotel.

Also, I think it's better than me having cheat days at home because it's free, and I also won't get into the habit of buying junk food.

>>41847226
You don't have to use fucking adderall to lose weight just stack epherine and caffeine use the right doses hydrate and don't do anything retarded like HIIT and you'll have way less side effects.

>>41855287
>HIIT

How is that bad for weight loss exactly?

>>41855320
Under the pretext of one using ec stack, the stack can elevate ones heart rate so running at maximal effort in hot weather could cause issues, especially in fat asses.

>>41855320
doing a EC stack and HIIT is a fast way to have a heart attack, especially if you are a fat fuck.

HIIT by itself is fine, unless you weigh like 300+ lbs

>>41855145
Should be safe if you stick to the salad bar

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>>41851205

started going to the gym after only doing cardio for 5 months

only lost 0.3 lbs in the last 11 days

I know why it is the way that it is, but it's still really shitty mentally to see that on the scale.

tell me everything is gonna be okay guys :^(

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How many people develop eating disorders from posting in /fat/?

>>41855600
>only lost 0.3 lbs in the last 11 days


Whats your diet like? You still eating carbs?

Whats your body comp stats?

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>>41854558
Just take your time bro, the scale is gonna be harder to shift as you get slimmer.
Just persevere, you'll have good days and bad days, please don't develop an eating disorder after you've already done so well!

>>41855610
ummm

what? Why would that happen?

>>41855283
I dunno what hotel it is but 75% of the hotel food market is from Sysco and US Foods because of bulk pricing. It's all the same mass produced crap from the same suppliers.

t. somebody who used to manage a hotel

>>41855610
I developed one where I only eat when I am hungry. You know how boring it is waiting to feel hungry before you eat?

>>41855618
my diet is the same i've been losing 2-3 lbs per week with since january, good split of carbs/protein and 1500 calories per day

i'm 5'11 216lbs as of today

>>41855782
What was your starting weight? Mind posting a current pic?

I went from 300 to 265 without seeing much change. Not sure how much visual progress 265->200 will get me

>>41855259
Disgusting.

>>41855797
>I went from 300 to 265 without seeing much change


This can't be possible, did you train heavy and eat protein/fats?

>>41855259
That's like a thousand calories you fat cunt

>>41855821
>>41855797
from 260+ to my current <240 i see about no change except on the number on the scale.

>>41855892
And you won't. 240 is still huge. Get down to 200, then your body will start to play ball. And Lift while you do it, you still want that muscle mass.

>>41855892
>Please any photo you can share?

>>41851363
Where do I find percentage of goal?

>>41847410
The poster is implying that you have to fake having ADD to get an adderall prescription.

>ate nothing all day
>make mexican wraps for dinner
>plan to eat a couple, the rest later
>ate all 6, probably at least 2000 cals

At least they're home made, lots of veggies and no grease.

Been on keto for 6 months and have gone from 185 to 135 ( 5"7').

There's been stalls but the last 2 weeks I have literally stayed at 138 even though i'm eating ~900 calories a day (mostly chicken wings and cheese weighed on a scale with occasional steak + veggies). Anyone have any advice about this stall?

I plan on getting to 130 btw

>>41856131
I only eat one big 1000-1400 calories meal at 7-9 pm. I drink tea, coffee, or diet soda if I feel hungry in the day.

>>41849524
untrained my shoulders were 22 inches wide. so yea everyone has different proportions.

>>41854340
Embrace the fact that keto is not for you and go another route?

I've tried to go back to keto for a solid year and one tiny thing would fuck it up

Guys help. How can I stop sweating like a fucking waterfall when the temperature gets above 20 °C?

>>41856177
You're fucking up only eating one meal and drinking loads of caffeine and diet soda is just bad for you as regular soda

>>41856296
I don't drink loads of diet soda, only like twice a week. I mostly drink masala chai and weak iced coffee once in a blue moon.

>>41855610
I had one before I started posting, gg.

>>41855610
Are you blaming /fat/ or are you just a weak willed puss puss?

>>41856169
Eat more calories but still under maintenance for ~5 days then go back to eating less. You will gain 1-2 lbs but then drop it quick.

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Help me /fat/ I don't know what to do
I want to get /fit/ and eat well but I live in a house of fatties. My mom's fat, my dad's obese, my sister's obese, and I'm obese. Pushing 300 lbs. I want to eat well and workout but whenever I do it my family makes fun of me. Everytime I try to cook something healthy my sis or dad will pass by and say something snide like "hope you don't burn it" or "I bet that tastes awful." I love my mom and my mom loves me too, but she'll refuse to eat anything if I don't eat it too. I'll tell her I want to eat healthy but I'm glad to get her something from McDonald's if that's what she wants, then she'll just sigh and go "No I don't think I'm that hungry, anon." But if I tell her that fine, I'll get eat from McDonald's she'll tell me her order, along with sis and dad. And if I workout my dad will say some shit like "you call that running? I ran faster at your age" and everyone just keeps fucking putting me down. I don't want to be fat. I've been fat since I was in fucking pre-school. I've been fat as long as I can remember. I probably already have diabetes, but I'm only 21 and I went to get better. I want to make it, /fat/. What the fuck do I do short of moving out? I'm going to college and don't have a job.

>>41856403

More like the opposite. I'm pretty sure that people on the rest of /fit/ develop body dysmorphia from obsessing over DYEL mode and lmao1plaet, so I was wondering if the calorie counting and bread rejection has goofed anyone up.

>>41856433
thanks for the advice
However just curious, why would this work? Just want to understand a bit more about whats going on with this whole stalling situation

All I've been thinking about is two steak chalupas. I'm well within calorie limit too so that I can enjoy this

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>>41856462
Scare her with the truth. Get a doctor appointment before you go to college. Your doctor (if they care) will tell you and her how much you are hurting your body.
Your doc can get blood work done to see if you have type 2 and more importantly help you find a diet.

Next, do cardo till college most campuses offer a free gym. Go to it. Let it be your new home.

Lastly, and this is hardest part, forget about you family. If they do this now it will get worse. If you want to help them you gotta help yourself first.

I'm where you are everyday I see my mother die as she gains more weight. I tried but she just wants to see me fail.

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How do I make fish taste better?

I can eat canned tuna but salmon? I'm not about that shit. My grandma made terrible salmon patties and with a /fat/ mother who didn't know how to cook fish we never have it.

Now that i'm finally living on my own with a job that allows me to afford stuff I find myself only eating chicken/rice/beef for 3/4 of my dinners.

I'm getting tired of chicken/rice or beef/beans.

I just want to lose the weight I gained by living in a house of excess sweets and junk food being the main dinner go to.

Fuark why didn't I get my fathers genes; the guys 175 and eats just as bad as they do.

>>41850142
That's a meme.

>>41856725
Did they use canned salmon? I grill fresh with lemon and pepper.

Ayo /fat/, I'll give you my stats and question, and please be so kind and share your opinions with me.

Male/87.5kg/180cm cutting @1500 KCAL daily WITHOUT FAIL. been going at it for 2+ months.

Went from 98 to 87.5 kg in this short periode, didn't see that much loss in the gym, but then I just picked it up again when I started.

The question I guesss is, is this waaayyyy too low KCAL intake or am I fine? I eat aroun 150 g of protein daily too. I was so afraid I'd never cut if I didn't go drastically below, but I don't really trust all these calcs. Anybody with the same stats that ate more and had decent weight loss here?

>>41856776
Good question.
I don't know how to answer because I'm at that deficit or better and have been doing fine, only for a little under two months though.

>>41851119
Have you tried drinking or eating noni? Shit's good for a lot of things, makes you feel and function (maybe placebo, dunno) much better. Hard to swallow, though, the taste is utter shit.

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>took a nap when I got home from my summer class
>Was at the bar getting fed margaritas and long islands by women/men who were obviously into me
>the main thing I remembering thinking was:
>this kills the keto.

This is only day two. Holy shit!

I did get two girls numbers this week though. One on one "study session" planned for Wednesday, and a date at a bar locked in Thursday. The scale has been stalled but the confidence and social g a i n s has been flowing.

We're all gonna make it.

>>41856754
Couldn't tell you I wasn't close to my grandma.

>>41856840
To clarify, the green text was what I dreamed.

Day 2 of keto eating.

Been losing weight for about 6 months, down 60 lbs. Confidence booster

>>41855274
go slowly but your body can handle more than you think.

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I'll just leave this here.

How do I hide my lack of eating from a family that offers/buys food all the time even though I told them I don't want anything?

>That upbringing not to waste food or leave stuff on your plate
>Way too many carbs/sweets

I'm down 40 lbs but I still have almost 90 to go until i'm happy with myself.

>>41856725
sautee salmon in a pan gently with garlic. or put in baking dish and add ginger, honey and butter on top and cook gently for some time.

>>41854558
You're doing an incredible job m8, since on average you've lost a half a pound PER DAY since you started. It sounds like your diet is fine, but how much do you exercise? If you start doing cardio, some lifting, and most importantly calisthenics to build some muscle underneath the remaining fat. Since you've lost weight so quickly, your body might think it's starving and so it's preserving some fat. Also, how tall are you?

>>41855217
Maybe he meant that you need exercises that raise your heat beat levels for extended periods of time

>>41850889
10pc hardy's tendies yesterday. Want to blame it on my dead dad but that makes me feel even less human.

Okay first time here really. I'm 5ft 7in and I'm just under 80kg. I wanna drop down to about 65kg, I go the gym like twice a week, I squat, I bench (w/ barbells) and I row on machine that you can put weights on.

Should I be doing cardio instead? I used to swim in my teens, I was thinking of doing a day of gym stuff and another day of swimming once a week.

How effective would this be to drop down over the months?

>>41857017
I'm 6'1
I never bothered with exercise because it wasn't crucial to my goal. I know that's blasphemy on /fit/ but to be honest, i'm lazy.

Not sure if I worded it correctly but my problem isn't about losing enough fat, it's about the inevitable jump to maintaining. Eating a lot more than I'm comfortable eating.
I've escaped from my fat prison for the first time in my life and I'm scared that any change to my current routine is going to fuck things up.

>>41857102
Try sprinkling in 30 minutes of cardio at the end of your lifting session.

The idea is that lifting burns most of your carbs/glycogen stores and the cardio can more easily burn fat. It's a little brosciency though.

>>41856947
I'm so jelly it hurts how he looks so good

I've been lying to myself for a few years, keep telling myself I'm losing weight and I'm at the same numbers I started 3 years ago, I get it now you have to be consistent and see the end goal in sight, don't focus on it being hard today but focus on where you want to get

I wish I never stopped last year, but the emotional battle was too much to bear

>>41856725
Lemon pepper salmon, teriyaki salmon, or olive oil, paprika, salt and pepper. For all three of these, all you have to do is preheat the oven to 425F, brush over your sauce or condiments of choice, and bake 15 minutes, then remove the skin form the bottom. Couscous is really good with this along with some combination of broccoli, spinach, and carrots.
Obviously you want fresh salmon fillets for this. Frozen are fine too, but they cost about the same in general.

>>41856462
> I want to eat well and workout but whenever I do it my family makes fun of me.
Ignore them until you make it, problem solved pussyfart

>>41856725
I make salmon three ways:

Grill
>self-explanatory. I like using wood planks to grill on them

Panfry
>season with cayenne and Cajun
>2 tbsp of butter or olive oil
>fry skin first and then flip

Bake
>casserole dish
>squeeze lemon juice
>add sliced lemon and green onions
>cover with tinfoil
>400 degrees for 25 mins. This varies though so I like to check the temperature to ready 165

Rinse out your salmon so that you get rid of the fishy smell before you cook it

>>41850889
Over the weekend I broke keto for the first time since starting. I feel like shit today. I didn't get the keto flu when I went in the first time, but that big burst of carbs has my brain feeling like I'm hung over.

>>41855287
how 2 get ephedrine?

>>41857120
Calculate your TDEE. I ran it quickly and your TDEE should be about 2000 calories at 150 pounds. If you want to cut 300-500 calories a day that's fine, but you don't need to be 1100 calories under your TDEE each day. It might actually be harming you now since your body is trying to conserve energy by retaining that flab. I'm no expert but I would say you'd be fine adding 500-700 more calories per day to your current intake. I'm lazy too, but try doing calisthenics twice a week to start and see if some of that fat rolls start shrinking after a month. By the way, good job on escaping fat prison.

>>41847864
I'll second this, just remember to take breaks from it every once in a while to help with tolerance. Currently on a break from ECA after 8 weeks 2 times a day.

>>41857277
500-700 is a lot
it would nearly double my calories per day

what if I start eating more and the scale starts moving up?

>>41857257
Live in Canada.

Or get it illegally.

>>41857330
Then you can cut a few calories again. If you're eating 850-900 calories right now and still losing weight, then you're under TDEE. If you add more calories and you start gaining weight, then cut back until you find the right balance. try calculating your own TDEE for better accuracy; it should be around 2000 calories a day if you're sedentary like you say. Doubling your intake should still keep you just below TDEE.

>>41852878
Roasted beef with Montreal

Reheat with rice cooker so the fat left over from choking drops into your rice.
Prime shit that you will not mind eating daily

>>41856500
From what other people have said, it has something to do with your metabolism slowing down due to too few calories. It works whenever I get stuck at least.

>>41851239
lel

>>41857129
Lifting doesn't burn as many calories as you think it does friend. Cardio kills the fatty.

>>41855217
> doc watts me to not have a heart attack but cardio kills gainz
Start running fatty.
Keep lifting.

>>41851889
denounce the shitty members of your sand religion.

>>41855217
So instead of taking a medical professional's advice on your health, you'd rather ask a polynesian woodcrafting studies website

>>41852251
cardio

>>41857257
Just buy bronkaid

>>41852450

this is true.

>>41857508
to him and him alone

Used to weigh 130 KG
Down to about 95-100 KG depending on the day
Lost the weight through getting a job as a waiter (walking 40 hours a week back and forth) as well as definitely eating healthier

Today was my first day doing any intentional exercise in about 5 years. It was pathetic, but this is what I did (could have done a bit more of both but I was seeing roughly what my limit is:
20 45 degree angle push ups (flat push ups are not possible with my skinny arms)
1.25 mile run
20 45 degree push ups

Suggest a little mini plan that I can do daily that involve no gym membership etc. I was thinking keep with the push ups and running so:
Some jumping jacks
Some push ups
Some running
Some jumping jacks
Some push ups
Some running

I realise how fucking retarded I sound after reading that back but there we go - slate me all you want but at least provide something constructive whilst you do it, cheers guys

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>>41854701

NEW ^

IMMIGRATE LEGALLY

>>41854790
that's what makes the mooskles bigger. more microtears = more repair. repair bring more size, so long as you got dat dere brotein to repair with.

>>41855217
go run on rest days.

>>41857524
and me as well.

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1558 calories
200g of protein

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>>41850889
Ate half bar of chocolate, a mini coca-cola, and pasta.