/fraud/

First for lolis

>>41653289
So if DHEA is the precursor to testosterone, does taking DHEA increase test? I found a bottle of 25mg DHEA pills at the grocery store and I've been taking them. Haven't seen many effects, but I have noticed that I've been a little bit more aggressive.

Potential risks and sides for doing a basic 12 week test cycle @ 19?

Most of the concern and issues I hear about people doing cycles young is that their HPTA is not fully matured. My growth plates already closed several years ago and I have hair all over my body and face. I have been lifting for about a year and a half now but have been involved in sports and athletic training nearly my entire life. My main goal for this cycle is putting on strength and size for baseball. I am currently 185lbs @ 6'2". I have a full cycle and PCT laid out in advance. I have gotten my bloods checked and had them looked through by reddit tards.

My PCT will be Nolva 40/40/20/20/20/20
and Clomid 100/100/50/50

The only times that young kids (18-21) run into problems with juicing is because they're messing with multiple compounds, they don't do a proper PCT, or they have no game plan before approaching steroids.

Wish me luck brahs.

>>41653524
Placebo. My TRT doctor put me on it because my DHEA was a little low and it didn't do shit but I take it anyway.

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Xth for waiting on good Canadian sources

Help

I try to convince myself the recent hair loss would happen anyways about this time of my life due to shitty genetics regardless of fraud use or not

>>41653566
> baseball

Roiding for personal reasons is whatever but you're doing it to cheat at sports. Enjoy your hollow victories.

>>41653681
shave your head bitch

I'm starting to feel like the antihistamine early-onset alzheimer's thing is not a meme. Will the damage be reverted if I were to quit now?

>>41653710
while I wouldn't trim I actually don't mind going full military nazi trim, but that would probably make things even more obvious

>>41653748
while I wouldn't shave*

>>41653629
Ok but how can you prove it's placebo? If your doctor put you on it, there must be some merit...

>accidentally drop my piece of ground meat on the floor
>remember the 5 second rule and quickly pick it up again

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>pin day

>>41653770
Shave your head to a 1 you little bitch

>>41653836
maybe when I'm an ultra thicc bear with a thicc beard in my mid 30s

I didn't realize cutting is so hard. In order to maintain your muscle muscle you gotta have 180 grams of protein or something huge. Meanwhile every food you eat, even protein powder, has grams of fat or carbohydrates which ups your calorie count even though you aren't getting any protein from it. Basically it's hard to eat 2,300 calories and get 180g of protein in there too. What foods are good for this?

I've got: chicken breast, protein powder, low fat string cheese.
Even eggs have more calories from fat than from protein.

>>41653872
eat dnp

>tfw stress binged because i spent hours and hours finding a red denim jacket/vest in the UK
>can't find any because the north is full of chavshits and working class plebs who only wear hoodies, sweatpants and fifa clothing

Just had a tuna sandwich, onion and cheese melt sandwich, half a kilogram of pork shoulder, 1000 calories of nuts, some yogurt and lentils/beans.

bout 4000 calories which isn't above maintenance, but I should be cutting like crazy with only 2 weeks out before cosplay.

fuck, i need to go anorexia mode and just rely on lots of superdrol to keep my muscles full.

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>tfwnogf

Bitched about my feels to random girl for about 4 hours last night and she still wants to go on a date with me. Why are girls fucking retarded?

>>41653937
we saw the text you're friendzoned hard already

Obviously plenty of research would be needed before pinning but is it worth it for someone who is closing in on 30 and who just wants to speed up his progress to jump on a cycle of test e for 2 months? Not to break through a natural limit but just because I've wasted so much time being on the thinner side my entire life and I already feel like I'm running out of time and don't want to wait another year to reach my goal of I don't have to. I know this mentality kind of gets shit on a lot.

>>41653960
Whatever I don't want to fuck her. Apparently she got 'raped' so I don't want to go near that. I just want a human to talk to. /fraud/ is great calling me a faggot and all but it's not enough

>>41653986
she wouldn't tell chad about the rape

you're already friendzoned and her emotional tampon orbiter

>>41654070
kys

>>41653986
this aint your blog cunt fuck off

If you want to go from meathead into a very lean and twinky build, would you just keep taking roids but eat a lot less food and just do very light training?

The whole, looking like a guy from jersey shore(casual) or a bouncer/mob boss(formal) look really gets old.

>>41654138
It's not a matter of who will let me, but who will stop me.

>>41653986
why aren't you a cute anime girl?

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I would ask somewhere else but this is the only board that gets laid. Im graduating high school in 2 days and I want to date this girl at my school till we go to college. What do I say to her tomorrow? She knows I exist and we have a mutual friend but we havent talked really. Also am I ok to roid later this year if I cut first? Pic related its ya boi unflexed

>>41654169
>if I cut first

lol

>>41654169
All you have to do is ask her on a date it's pretty simple. Either wait until you're around her in person or just get her number from the mutual friend and text her. Not hard bro.

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>>41654164
I wish.

>>41654207
What do u mean. Im like 18% bodyfat. Shoulnt I be 12ish% to roid?
>>41654230
Thanks man i guess I was overthinking it

>>41654169
You're graduating high school. You are not old enough to use steroids. You will cause damage to yourself if you use them this early. You will regret it.

>>41653872
In a perfect world 180g of protein would be like what, 720 cals? How the hell are you hitting cals that fucking high.

Put down the pb and eat chicken, non fatty fish, and unflavored certain protein powders (casein and soy amongst the best but any type should be atleast decent)

>>41653923
>cutting
>1k cals nuts
Wtf
Put down the fork, fatty

>>41653937
W2c girls

>>41653986
Howd she get raped
Did she report it?
Share tips and secrets, please

>>41654600
>W2c girls
Just have them randomly text you. idk.

She didn't tell me much else.

crusader is already this girls orbiter after 1 conversation ahahah

>>41654671
n-no

>>41654643
She texted you to tell you she got raped and you just talked about how much you loved some other girl?

Bro she was opening the door for you.
Ask about ger rape on your "date". I need insider tips. Or do you want me to be a virgin forever?

>>41654684
I still don't believe you're a real person.

>>41654684
she probably just had sex while blackout drunk and forgot until someone told her the next day and she said omg WHAT i was raped

she probably didn't call the police because the guy was chad

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>>41654700
is my life really that hard to imagine

>>41654707
I mean obviously thats what happened
Or it was just some 8/10 instead of her usual 10/10s so she regretted it the next day

>>41654808
>is my life really that hard to imagine
Yes.

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>>41654814
I should write a book
maybe I;d get on Ellen

Then a gf
non-lesbians watch that show, right?

>>41653639
Literally google

>>41653788
If the bacteria in the meat hasn't been hurting you, the shit on the floor definitely won't
>still absolutely disgusting

>>41653639

Just look around online, eroids isn't always sketchy. Find someone who will talk game with you, my dude gives advice. Not giving you source but it's a place to start

>>41653937
>tfw no gf
>tfw lonely
>tfw no pics for tinder
>tfw grills not responding to snapchats

fucking end me

also possibly related, I started taking tbol and i'm depressed af .. anyone have insight? I'm thinking its actually dbol and my estro is high

>>41655044
Life hurts. I just want more tren.

But yeah your dbol is probably fucking with you.

>>41655074
how much are you taking I'm starting with 350 mg every week injecting EoD for my first cycle

>>41655079
500mg. 140mg EoD

>>41655074
Life doesn't hurt. The person you want to accept you just doesn't. That's okay she doesn't have to. Isn't this a commandment? You're coveting. According to you, the only love you should need is from the Lord. Go do some good works, build yourself as a person.

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Should I do minoxidil %5 once a day or every 12 hours at my current state?

>>41655089
I don't see her as belonging to me. I respect her agency. But I'll do anything I can do influence her decision making.

>According to you, the only love you should need is from the Lord
That's dumb. Eve was created literally because Adam was lonely even with the Lord in his presence. We're not all made to celibate priests.

>>41655098
#1 buzzcut

>>41655131
Nah, don't have the chin for it

>>41655118
>I want to manipulate her
Classic, go for it dude. You should stop role playing as being anything other than a piece of shit tho kek

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>>41655145
????????

>>41655086
did you fall for the caber meme

>>41655098
grow it out senpai, it's not even thin its just receding a bit

>>41655150
>manipulation = influence

That's not how it works. I'm not bending her arm, blackmailing her or telling her lies. I'm doing my best to demonstrate that I'm a good partner.

>>41655162
Yeah I know and I wanna stop the receding.

>>41653780
i'm a different poster but here's a study:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10601178

These results suggest that DHEA ingestion does not enhance serum testosterone concentrations or adaptations associated with resistance training in young men.

I think there's some studies where for old men it helps for bone loss or something, but I forget.

>>41655160
I'm waiting on my roach caber from Turkey atm. So far no prolactin issues.

23, old or not old enough for ligandrol?

>>41655178
you can do a real cycle at 23

>>41655165
You had that opportunity when dating her lmao when you stop giving a fuck she'll come back you care too much already.

>>41655182
but i've never done a real cycle, so i'm thinking of going at it light, to begin with

>>41655192
She stopped liking me because I stopped giving a fuck.

Sometimes I feel I'm getting advice from virgins.

>>41655210
coming from the guy who is orbitting a girl he started talking to yesterday and already cried to her about his ex gf to her and got friendzoned

>>41655220
Post your dick in a pussy and I'll take you seriously.

>>41655233
your mom prefers anal

>>41655210
No. You don't feel validated because you aren't getting the ass pats you feel entitled to. You can lash out and call us "virgins" but we aren't the ones begging attention from pussy just to whine about some other third party pussy.

The best advice you will receive ever on this is: get the fuck over it, babe.

>>41655252
Nah

if this is how he behaves on dry compounds imagine this kid with high e2 LMAO

>>41655210
>>41655265
you are seriously the worst fucking poster

it was unironically better when you were sperging out arguing about christianity with other anons

>>41655294
Block me if you don't like me.

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>>41655307
lol what a brat

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Is this achievable natty?

>>41653969
>2 months
>>41653566
>My PCT will be Nolva 40/40/20/20/20/20
>and Clomid 100/100/50/50

>>41655307
I think I'm just gonna dox you instead. posting messenger screenshots was a mistake.

>>41655440
And what do you think that will achieve?

>>41655469
Nice 69 tho

>>41653937
>Bitched about my feels to random girl for about 4 hours last night

you dumb nigger

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>>41654169
where's your chest at?

6 days into my test prop/ tren ace cycle. 50mg of each every day

I have gone from 190-191 to a solid ass 198 in the first week.

This is my first time on prop. Is this normal? My source has been known to overdose his gear... should I be worried? I don't wanna be a bloat monster all summer and I can already see water in my face and abs.

>>41655873
enjoy your trenpp bloat

>>41655954
Yeah you think so? I saw his reviews on leddit and everyone said his shit was G2G.... idk

If I complete 8 weeks on tren and my sides are manageable, is it a dumb idea to move to a gram for the remaining 10 weeks?

>>41656037
you're already a wreck

>>41656044
I don't think it's linked to the tren though. That's just me as a person.

I'm just curious if it will BTFO my blood stability.

>>41656037
18 week tren cycle? Fuck

>>41656079
hes suicidal cuz his ex wont love him

>>41656105
What kind of cuck loves a girl who broke up with him and kicked his ass to the curb?..

>>41656120
The most beta ones obviously.

>>41656105
Haha fuck that's pitiful

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>>41656079
im on week 18
Don;t even notice no more

>>41656017
nah, just trying to make you paranoid

>>41656219
>18 weeks of tren
>still beta

how

>>41656314
So a 7 pound jump in 7 days is normal on 350mg test prop/ tren ace?
I was cutting until the first injection then upped the calories... maybe that plus a little test bloat is what I'm seeing. I've taken aromasin 12.5 twice, but I didn't really aromatics much on my past test only cycles.

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>>41656219
>tfw no /gnt/ board

>>41656345
probably just water weight from going from a deficit to surplus.

pretty normal

>>41656403
Buddys on this guys prop and ace as well as anadrol
He went from 203 to 217 in a little over a week too lol

alright how the fuck do you suspend orals with oraplus exactly and how is it consumed exactly

just take the powder, the amount of liquid needed for the wanted concentration, put them together and shake? it won't actually dilute at all right? so you need to shake before every time?

>>41656468
Just eat the powder

>>41656472
you realize that to weigh 10-50mg you need a scale that costs in the range of 600+ dollars?

>>41656482
Get a 10mg scoop

>>41656037
Answer question please.

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>>41653289
progress time!
first pic is me in what I consider peak natty, second is after almost two years of depression and near-daily pizza and beer. the rest are progress. started juicing at the end of 2015, b&c ever since. currently cruising on 300mg test and cutting down to ~220lbs, aiming for 7-8% body fat, then in september it's bulking season again with lots of EQ and mast.

>>41656571
Good job

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>>41656549
1a: don't run tren for so long. it fucks up your lipids so bad you're bound to have a heart attack or stroke sooner or later if you keep doing this.
1b: i'm not going to link to studies, you can find that shit yourself, but tren fucks you up psychologically without you realizing it. severe brain fog, and you get stupid and your memory and judgment get fucked up. you're not aware of most of this while you're on, you only notice the difference once you come off.
2: why 1g? that's like running 5g test, in terms of anabolic potency. I don't see any reason to go over 700mg, unless you look like mr. piano

tl;dr my personal limit is 700mg/wk for 14 weeks, and that's pushing it hard af imo. what you're suggesting sounds insane.

>>41656603
thanks anon
i was anticipating a whole lot more of "roiding for this," it's probably coming though

>>41656612
1a. I'm aware.
1b. I'm aware.
2. Partly so I can up my test to 500mg and I want to push myself.

What I gather is, other than lipids and mental insanity, there's no real reason I can't jump mid cycle

>>41656181
>Calls himself crusader
>Is on 4chan for hours every day and cries about random skank #627472

Is there a lower point than this

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>>41656629
good luck, man. what you're doing is extremely risky, and I hope you have access to good medical care. definitely go see your physician a month or so after the end of this blast if you survive.

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so... what's been goin on in here for the last few months?

>>41656635
She's not a skank :(

>>41656629
Do 2 grams

>>41656468
Take whatever solvent you want to use (strong alcohols let you use a higher concentration, but I've made olive oil suspensions which were not that bad) and measure it out based upon your desired mg/ml
Put this solvent into a glass container and put that container into a water bath on the stove (this is completely unnecessary but I do it anyways) and heat it.
Slowly stir in whatever the fuck it is that you want to suspend and remove the container from the bath. Shake before using.

>>41656439
>anadrol
yup

>>41656653
99% Crusader complaining about exgf
1% fraud talk

>>41656571
>2017
>roiding for this
>shiggy diggy

>>41656571
> nice gyno lel
> autistic enough to think that's peak natty
> roiding to look like shit
> pick three

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>>41656772
>>41656824
wtf? am i the only one who roids because i'm a lazy fuck?
why bother training natty when u can take steroids and get 2-4 years of progress in 5-10 months?

i did exactly that starting in skelly mode just to reach a little over my peak and now i just maintain on a cruise, didn't even use that much sterons for blasting
someone explain to me why this is bad?

also i think he looks great, just needs to lose some bf and he'll look amazing
unlucky gyno though

>>41656905
He looks fine.

PCT feels you guys.
Kill myself
Been so unstable, shit

>>41656905
he looks fine, we're just memeing lad

>>41656937
your fault for doing pct virgin

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>Police academy starts in 3 months
>doing tren for the next 2 months
>have 3 weeks after tren to recover and be able to run multiple miles without collapsing

Maybe this isn't a good idea but I'm doing it anyway. I don't want to start in the prisons a stick.

>>41656989
ikr

fking crickies m8

>>41653566
6'2 and 185 pounds? nigga u just need to eat a few burgers. what are your lifts?

I have 7-8 month old gear. How long until it expires

>>41653566
I started at 18 and I'm 21 now, never did PCT, just lots of blast and cruising and my test levels are fine even off cruise. Good luck breh

>>41657058
how short

>>41657058
I don't believe you

Tfw had extra smooth subq 300mg/ml injection.

Feels good man.

Where can I buy Albuterol?

Ausfag BTW.

I just took protein powder, guess I'm not natty any more.

>>41654169
Where the fuck did your pecs go?!

>>41657400
Steal a childs inhaler like a real man

>>41657498
I have asthma, I'd need 20 puffs for one pill - I'd be using a puffer a week.

>>41656682
I would but at that point I've got better shit to spend my money on.

That's like $180 dollary doos a week.

Hi guys,

Engineering school got the best of me for a while and I got small. I started up a weak blast (500mg test) to start strong and maybe 2-3 days after my first injection, I'm finding my quad is swollen and hot, but there's no pain. I've used this vial before with no problems and I sterilize everything and I'm wondering if the fact that I'm using a high-concentration (500 mg/ml) vial at my DYEL state has anything to do with the swelling. From my understanding, if I had an infection, there would be pain, right?

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>>41657534
>australians pay 2-3x as much as the first world for bathroom chemicals
>any money they have left goes to taxes to pay for nigger abbos to have 8 kids and fuck around in the desert

>>41657569
At least we're still white.

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>>41657571
>YOU GIVE ME NICE JOB YES

>>41657569
Fucking Melbournites fucking claiming to be fucking Australian.

how long for HDL/LDL to go back to normal after I fuck their shit up with orals and tren? my TRT doc is probably going to shit himself when he sees my bloods..

>>41657598
Sydney and Melbourne don't count as Australia.

>>41657569
have you ever seen the world map with generalisations on it?

whats the one for australia, RACIST

trump would have won in a landslide here

>>41657543
just pin vents

What's up with people saying tren kills their appetite and how do I acquire this skill?
Im on 350mg tren E ew and I've been eating non stop. I know this isn't totally a bad thing but my plan was to recomp instead of a full on bulk.

>>41658671
they lie, try snus instead

how does testosterone dosage map to blood levels?

I've seen studies show that 350mg resulted in a level of ~3400 and 600mg result in ~3200.
That seems wrong.

What about lower dosages?
What will 60, 120, 180, 250, 300mg per week do?

>>41657543
take some ibuprofen

push down around the quad, if it snaps back instantly probably fine

>>41656321
Its almost like hormones dont change your personality

>>41658679
Its about 5-10x the mg, but it decreases the higher you go its not really linear. Solid ballpark for lower doses though

>>41658704
>Its almost like hormones dont change your personality
They can't all be 100% alphas like us

>>41653831
As if that ain't err day

>>41658755
Pinning is fun. Something visceral about it.

>>41658704
for a male of average height, what would be a life long sustainable (minimal health implications) level of test?

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Scared to wear a t-shirt without a pump and not feeling skinny

WHO WITH ME, get on my level


>>41656905
No, it's sad to see that most of you don't even look natty on steroids. I can't even a way of classify such dyelness

But enough about you, let's talk about something more important, like me of course. My goal is getting more shredded with way more mass than pic related. Are we even ready for it?

>>41658835
Your delts are out of proportion
You have fucked up abs
Your forearms are pitiful
Your chest is flat and unaesthetic

>>41649089
Keto + high carb days always work for me.

Like for instance; i start first week with week 1 just 6 low carb and one high carb day. On low carb day i also add some fats like almonds, natty peanut butter etc

I wait with this until i stagnate. Then i add cardio PWO(HITT).

Then i add one high carb day on thursday and so on. Just add more cardio slowly when you feel you stagnate

>>41658926
And yet i am still better looking than you, so i don't mind your opinion sorry

come back when you think you are at least 0,000001% of my level

>>41658726
I think you have to be born #winning

>>41658797
100 to 150 would def be safe cause thats natty range

>>41658835
I wish it was winter so I could wear a heavy coat

quick question: when i start my first cycle, i have to eat big since the first pin or wait until test levels are stable?

>>41658947
but docs only prescribe 60~100 for trt.
so how is 100~150 natty range?

>>41658947
Tell me about it Jerry. I don't feel myself anymore

How's work going for you? Promoted already? Indians are taking over your job yet?

>>41658936
You look like a shaved nutsack bro. And aren't you like 5'5? Sorry you'll never be "good looking".

What are your routines brahs? Are brosplits really superior when you are on cycle? Or maybe stick with PPL or PHUL?

Pill me on HGH

Black tops the best price for good HGH?

How long do you need to run it for gains?

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>>41659009
Yeah i know i look good, Jesus... stop making it so obvious. i am everything you ever wanted to be and even more

stop resisting you only making me harder and want you even more. I like that

Btw this are my last pics before i am Turing into a beautiful butterfly again. I added some more thickness to the back etc, i am proud of myself and so should be you if you were close to myself

>>41659054
How tall are you actually mast?

>>41659016
Routine are overrated, bro split gave me enough gains to make you shit your pants

focus on your diet and mix up some exercises/reps etc etc

>>41659080
6'

mad?

>>41659096
I'm 6'1. You're my goal. But do you have legs?

>>41659054

>god-tier
>Ridiculously out of proportion lats
>Not an oblique in sight

>>41659130
https://forum.bodybuilding.nl/media/laatste-cut-foto-1.8650/

check out this discussion on a dutch bodybuilding form for some leg pics and hate/jellyness

it's dutch but try to use translate from Google.

>>41659156
I see you're still trying, mirin but you insults are getting weaker and more stale now. Stop now before i get vicarious shame action goin on

>>41659191
huh, had geen idee dat je nederlands was al die jaren

>>41659191
I always thought your english was a bit fucked. But nonetheless, you're a big guy.

>>41659096
so what do you do man, you look big and I'm the same height

>>41659233
FUck his insecure manlet posts are even funnier now that I read them in a broken English europoor accent

"You are wish you can have body lik dis, yes? So much big muscles. So much strong."

>>41658980
Because test is the devil
Fet your self some bloods in that range

>>41659000
Works good, was promoted in feb
Indians cant take my job cause its very US specific
Feels good, man

Between my masters, work, and the gym though I have time for literally nothing else. Life is a grind

>>41659553
i have low test (380) and have many of the symptoms for years.
i want to inject myself because docs won't prescribe trt.

i'm 24 and 77kg/170lbs @ 178cm/5'10".
what dosage should be safe and recommended for me long term?

SOMEONE PLS ANSWER

As we know there are 2 parts to training the abs, the hip angle closing and the thoracic flexion. If I want to hit the muscle that thoracic flexion works would it be dangerous to lay down on a yoga mat, take a plate and do thoracic flexion? Will it fuck up my back?

>>41659748
wrong thread

Bout to get my sweet sweet Tren, Mast, mtren and peps soon. Gonna suspend my memek677 this weekend too. Bout to get stronk as fuck bois

>>41659600
If you have a good brand of test you may only need 100-150mg a week. If you have a shit UGL brand, you may need 200-250. Try 150 a week for a few months and get bloods done, see where you're at and and adjust accordingly.


Now for my retarded question of the day:
Do syringes count the oil in the needle? What I mean by that is, when I go to mix the tren and rest in my needle, I pull out .5mg of tren but when I suck in air to inject into the test bottle it comes out to like .6ml of tren. Is the syringe calibrated for that .1ml or have I been doing 420mg a week of tren instead of 350? Lol. Not my first cycle but it is my first time mixing oils and I feel like a retard.

>>41659774
Did you get your memeK from eBay? I have $120 worth sitting in my room that I've been too afraid to try because someone told me it gets cut with Dbol or pro hormone powder and I don't wanna be bloated/ running dbol / proH's for months on end

>>41659910
Don't know if I can talk about it but it's legal and on eBay so I don't see why not? They banned DNP source discussion too I believe. Anyways I got it from a guy who used to come here who had lab testing done on it. 35$ a gram I think? Taking a bit of Dbol prolly wouldn't be that bad anyways, Mk677 can put water weight on too but it's really all diet dependent same with dbol. If you don't notice heavier sleep or better sleep it might not be legit but that's all I notice besides better recovery and a bigger appetite.

>>41660063
The appetite and recovery might just be in my head but I definitely passed the fuck out on 50mg/day at night

>>41658953
bumping question

>>41657496
>>41655843
Damn guys. Idk why I never make gains except I cant stay asleep for more than a few hours. Maybe thatll change during summer. Thats why I wana hop on.

>>41659896
No

>>41660063
Yeah I paid $35 a gram too... do you have a throwaway email I could message you on? Just to see what lab your MK677 is from. I have the lab name and the source name but obviously that's pushing the no source talk rules here a little far... I don't think saying "eBay" or "Reddit" is gonna result in a ban.

>>41660240
[email protected]

>>41659191
Fuck MasT, did not know you are Dutch.

Always mired your physique, somehow feels better being from the same country.

What is your favorite compound? Masteron I suppose. And what has been your highest blast/cycle?

>>41659896
>If you have a good brand of test you may only need 100-150mg a week. If you have a shit UGL brand, you may need 200-250.
oh, the return of the "ugl test is underdosed and not overdosed" meme. neat!

usually the drawing needle holds about 0.1ml of liquid, depending on gauge and length, that you lose if you don't fully pull into the syringe. to be 100% sure you can leave a very small air bubble at the top (it won't kill you)

>>41660406
Some differ. I feel like this new batch of test from a different source has increased my strength quite a bit compared to what I had been taking previously. All anecdotal though, haven't done any blood tests or anything. I wouldn't think a +/- 15% testosterone difference would be that significant

>>41660406
>>41660446

I've tried about 3 brand, sticking to the one best available to. All were dosed on point aside from 1 out of 20 vials being somewhat overdosed.

Why are Test Prop cycles always 8 weeks long? Can't I got for 12 weeks?

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>>41659054
>god-tier.jpg

huh, I didn't know god was 5'3

>>41659130
he's not 6'1 you fucking retard, don't you have an ex currently fucking tyrone you should be crying over?

I'm weak as fuck brehs hardly got 225 x5 on bench just now. Cycling is trash would not recommend

A few shots of yukon jack before the gym will do the body good though

>>41660480
>>41660501
Why do you hate mast so much? A it because he calls you out on being dyel and on steroids?

>>41659896
thanks.

what kind of blood test level should I aim for? 1100?

>>41660464
they aren't and yes you can. you see 8 weeks for the same reason you see 12 weeks a lot for test e

>>41660464
it just gets annoying injecting ed for 12weeks

>>41660464
>>41660820

This, might as well go with a longer Ester at that point

Is body recomposition (burn fat build muscle at the same time) possible on TestE-only cycle

>>41660859
Depends on dose and mass, but yes.

>>41659233
Who said that? English is my best language.

>>41659553
Good to hear Jerry. Even doing masters and getting promoted, mirin.

Fuck, me too, that's why i don't come here often anymore

>>41660395
test + mast

I liked dbol in the beginning, but it gave me terrible acne and lethargy at some point

highest was 800-900 test-e. I can't go any higher than 750mg, otherwise i will go totally mentally insane

currently 1 year on, how many times a year do you guiyz donate blood and check bloods? I am about to do both for the first time, better late than never

>>41661014
on for almost a year as well, check depends on the blast dosage/compound/time.

I only donate during a cruise, and only when rbc gets out of hand.
I feel weak as hit for a couple of days afyter a donation...

I got some DNP from a new supplier
it's capped but they're all coated in the powder
is that normal? I don't want to stain the inside of my mouth

>>41661014

The "ideal" situation for getting blood work is:

- pre cycle
- mid cycle (maybe twice if you need to do something extra to keep health markers in order)
- post cycle
- occasionally on cruise just to make sure nothing's going wrong

That's a lot of bloodwork, though.

>>41661048
yeah i am currently cruising also for a week now. Just came of a blast of 750 mg test-e and mast 80mg for 18 weeks, Currently cruising on 150 test+ 100mg mast

>>41661156
Yeah i will do it during cruise now.

Was Googling about this, and landed on this

https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/comments/2smfe6/bloodwork_taken_1_month_into_cruise_after_year/

you believe this shit

Why are the roidlets on /SST/, /peds/ and /steroids/ always so angry and aggressive? If you point out something that even remotely challenges their point of view they flip their shit.

>>41660700
anyone?

i'm >>41659600

>>41661173
also dbol for 4 weeks.

I have read that orals will fuck up your values the most

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LMAO one year blast on tren + test and looks like this, this is even worse than this place

>but muhh at least my bloods are good right guuiyz

>>41661176
yes, about 1200ng/dl is as high as you should go.

>>41660868
No you bullshitter. you know nothing abt this

>>41661217
was he doing 1mg of TestE + 1mg of TrenAce/day

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>>41661173
>>41661217

Why lower the Mast on a blast? I love the compund at higher doses (600mg right now for science).

Only oral I take these days is Var, makes me happy and social.

He looks like shit for a year long blast.
I had to start from skelly again (long story) at 55kg and blast and cruised to 80kg lean in about 6 months.

My doctor carries and keeps my bloods on paper, aside from slightly elevated BP I never had any issues.
Steroids being insanely dangerous is a big meme.

Pic related, 3rd blast 3-4 weeks in.


>>41661285

Sure you can you retard, if you blast 1g Test as skelly and eat at a small deficit you will recomp.
I never said it was effective but if natty's can do it so can a roider.

>>41660627
masT is a faggot, Crusader is a faggot, BN is a faggot. All the good trips left for the discord long ago.

C H E M is entertaining at least.

>>41661253
thanks!

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>>41661217
gyno

>>41661173

>you believe this shit

He blasted test at 750 and tren and other stuff for a year and just looks natty? Did he just not lift or eat?

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>>41661217
>fatter than me
>less muscle mass than me
>more gyno than me
>and im a low test natty

>>41661484
post pics, I guarantee you're delusional

>>41661495
I didn't come here to post pictures of myself so fags can jerk off to it t b h.

>>41661534
that's what I thought lol

enjoy being a natty cuck

>>41661542
At least I'm not the embodiment of >roiding for this.

>>41661571
>delusional natty: the post

these threads always turn into one dude arguing with himself for attention. Like when crusader gives himself gf advice lol

>>41661580
>jelly gainslet who needs to roid for average results: the post

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>>41661534
delusional

>>41662283
>still no pics

>>41661310
I have tried higher and lower and saw no difference physique-wise, mentally it gave really worse side effects. I can never go any higher anymore

Looks proper and good hair genetics also.

>>41661364
Your mother is a faggot. There were never any good trips, cock sucking maggot. Only some funny ones, like JM and brick

Chem is entertainment for you because he fucks up all the time and you will feel better about your shitty life

i will fight you 1v1 to the death

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Anyone played this game? it's really a game for alpha males

>>41661364
I don't want to hurt you.

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>>41662653
>simulating hunting as a woman
B E T A

>>41662682
Better watch out
Whatre gonna do, complain to the girl youre orbiting?

>>41662735
No I meant it in a non-threatening way. I don't want to upset people. They seem to just make themselves upset.

How to tell my gf she's an unsupportive cunt nicely

>>41662863
That depends, what did she do?

>>41662682
Crusader why exactly are you set on blasting Tren so hard?
Are you set on secretly killing yourself?

Also whats with you and the whole ex thing? I clearly missed something, you used to just spam Anzu to no end.

>>41662923
Constantly makes undermining comments as a "joke" and whenever confronted about it says that she only does it to people she cares about. Wouldn't be bad if she complimented me every so often too but looking at her mom and dads relationship her mom just constantly insults her dad so she's probably mimicking that behavior.

I think I'm going gonna flat out tell her that her parents relationship is toxic and if she keeps trying to emulate it we need to go our separate ways because a couple is meant to lift each other up not tear down.

>>41663006
Sucks man, had a similar thing with my girl.
I got home, turned off the TV and told her we needed to talk because I genuinely felt hurt. Turned out she was afraid I would take lifting to seriously and would drop her for it.

Just have a serious talk, don't be afraid to be mad, just don't call her names. Don't go in expecting her to fully support you in everything, simply ask for the respect of letting you do your thing.

Do not involve her parents in this, she will not take that shit well.

>>41663003
I hate myself because I feel like shit after gf left me. I have constructed that in my head to be "I wasn't good looking enough, I wasn't motivated enough, I wasn't working hard enough." It's a form of productive self-punishment essentially.

> I clearly missed something, you used to just spam Anzu to no end.
Went 2 months without speaking to ex. Then I caved and texted her.

>>41662607
>Chem is entertainment for you because he fucks up all the time and you will feel better about your shitty life
well... yeah

obviously

>>41663144
Nothing about you is productive.

>>41663157
The illusion of productivity then.

>>41663144
>Went 2 months without speaking to ex. Then I caved and texted her.

you're such a dumb nigger holy shit move the fuck on boi

>>41663176
this please baby.

>>41663144
Cheer up, looks probably weren't the issue. Sometimes it just won't work out.

I've been at your spot. Blast until I drop dead. You'll change your mind. Do not up the Tren. Stick to your dose, enjoy your sick gains.
Also do NOT let Tren get to you, it fucks you up but only if you let it.

You seem like a decent guy to me, would like to lift with you if I ever got the chance.

>>41663176
Nigger you don't understand my goal here isn't to fuck sluts. I want her and I want her fucking badly.

>>41663194
>Cheer up, looks probably weren't the issue.
Oh no, I was 100% the issue. I'm not going to conflate that I wasn't a shitty partner. I was a fucking terrible partner and got very self-obsessed. I wouldn't have wanted to be in a relationship with me either. She never did a single thing to slight me ever and she was always supportive.

Thanks for the kind words.

>>41663204
he said looks not your disgusting personality

>>41663195
no you fucking don't

there's plenty more girls out there that are probably not as shit as your ex was. stop being a fucking bitch and letting your gear get to you.

harden the fuck up and move the fuck on you pussy.

>>41663204
So you took her for granted.
Learn from this, get over her. If she wants another shot with you she'll come to you but don't ever count on it.

Focus on your goals, try to build something up for you. Don't focus on relationships for now.

As harsh as the people in this thread are, they are 100% right.

>>41663232
She wasn't shit though.

>>41663383
you describe her as being aggressively average its painful to listen to but i guess that above even your league go fuck an amsu or w/e

>>41663412
Don't know how you got that impression.

>>41663204
>didn't care while you were in the relationship
>now that you've lost her you want what you can't have anymore

it's not her you like. if you were to get back together you'd just stop giving a shit again. you're like a fuckin baby watching someone else enjoy the toy he discarded so you want it back

Hey guys, I'm a Canadian who has no moral/ethical reasons for not taking anything but rather I'm more concerned with tracking how my body is reacting to w.e I'm taking. I may have a source for test so I was wondering if I could just get blood work done monthly and try and track this data myself? Any Canadians have any advice?

>>41663546
Thanks for the insight. Appreciate your opinion.

>>41663567
bloodwork is free in canada, though the easiness of getting them varies between provinces. in most provinces you can just go to a walk-in clinic and ask for bloods and you'll get them no questions asked.

>>41663606
I'm in Ontario so it's pretty easy to get it done. Would they let me know of anything that comes back that's conserning or would it be up to me to go through the results myself?

>>41663647
you have to specify what you want to see in the bloods, then they usually go over it. you can also ask for a copy of the full results. depends on the doc.

>>41663664
Thanks, exactly what I was wondering about.

will taking dbol once or twice a week as preworkout improve gains or just reduce natural test?

>>41663762
Don't bother unless you run test as well.

Also it will just fuck you up unless doing a proper cycle.

How did you even get this stupid idea?

350mg a week a good starting dose for tren?

>>41663912
It's meant to be the 'maximum' starting dose.

>>41663912
Start with 250, if sides are fine slowly ramp up by 50mg.

What ester?

>>41663144
>>41663195
>>41663383
>>41663429
nigger you are neck-deep in one-itis and it's fucking killing you

i know you wont listen to anything we say, and trying to fix an emotional problem with reason is a waste of time but i'll try getting through to you anyway:

you CAN'T make her come back.
you CAN'T make her lover you. she never really did in the first place, and running after her after she left you just makes you come off as desperate and needy, which is a MAJOR turn-off for women.
it is completely out of your control at this point, and frankly, even if she were to come back to you, it would be a really bad idea to take her back. she fucked you up, broke your heart, and left you an emotional wreck once already, she's guaranteed to do it again.

if you have some willpower, then completely cut her off. now. deleter her from everything - facebook, phone number, any app you might be using, email, everything. also put her on block / ignore wherever possible. make it impossible for you to contact her, and for her to contact you.

i know this is hard, but it is the only way to get over your current low. certainly will do you better than blasting test and tren out of some delusional belief that getting shredded will bring her back.

>>41664006
Best course for getting over a ho? Find a better one.

>>41664006
I reject everything you say. I'll show you all.

>>41664109
so far all you've shown us is that you talk a lot like a woman kek

>>41664157
I'm waiting until she's finished exams to really do anything.

>>41663857
basically "what else can i put in my preworkout mix"

>>41664168
you should fuck off from her forever and find a woman that wants you

>>41664216
No.

>>41656629
Jump off a bridge instead you colossal faggot

>>41655206
yeah its fine, ostarine was my choice, any sarm works well as a step before steroids

>>41664109
if you think chasing a girl that already ditched you is a good idea (it isn't), feel free to do so.
if you think blasting roids and getting shredded will help you with this (it won't), feel free to do so.
it's your life after all.

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>>41664290
I like this summary

>real actual pic of why crusaders relationship failed

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>mfw seeing crusader tren himself to death because of his ex

cmon man you're a good guy, dont do that.

>My order of dnp just went through
What should I expect for my first cycle lads?

Do I continue taking Aromasin until I start PCT or do I stop a week before PCT?

pls respond

>>41664616
This unfortunately, you'll never get swole when you're dead Crusader.

>>41664705
Death or possibly fat loss. I would never touch DNP myself.

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>>41664915
>Death or possibly fat loss
Well that's good because at this point I'm good with either

>>41664915
I'll be swole in Heaven.

Although fairly sure I overdid my workout the other day. Right side anterior delt tendon is fucked atm.

>>41664925
Why not just go t3/clen?

DNP seems like such a risk...

>>41664930
Doing overhead presses?

>>41664616
Don't lie to him. He's not good in any sense of the word. He has the capacity for good things. If we take his actions on an aggregate? He's probably worse than jm. jm at least had confidence and was funny.

>>41664942
Did OHP 2 days ago, felt a click in my shoulder followed with some slight pain. NOPE. But I didn't feel really any pain until last night

My form got a little shaky towards the end, either that or I've overworked it.

>>41664942
>Why not just go t3/clen?
Because I'm at very high risk for MPB and have a pretty badly receding hairline as is.

>>41664963
Skip overhead presses entirely or go with very light weights. I personally stopped doing them and my delts still pop as you can see in my pic.
Some light cable side raises also work well with some face pulls.

Being on so much gear will put a huge strain on your shoulders and they'll explode in size anyways. Don't let them get out of proportion.

>>41664988
Could also go a somewhat higher dose clen?
Clen has no balding effect.

I run 50mcg t3 year round for more gains and staying lean, that being said no MPB in my family or any hair loss for me.

DNP is more effective though I'll have to admit.

>>41664992
Nah. he should switch to heavy volume bnp superset w/ cable raises. Add in l raises with triple drops, lu raises, machine presses, db raises and high pulls. All with 3-4 drops in a 10-16 rep range.

>>41664992
B-but I like OHP.

>>41665009
I can already feel my shoulder tearing again...

>>41665021
If you want to stick with it, let it heal fully. Don't go heavy they day it feels fine again, take an extra rest day.

What's your routine like? I like to do shoulders on leg day. They used to get really sore and painfull when I combined them with chest.

>>41665044
shit shoulders I guess

>>41665055
Could be, work also involves lifitng heavy boxes above my head so that might play into it.

Better safe then sorry, shoulders are pretty important in almost every lift.

>>41665078
you're a reasonable person

>>41665044
I do a bro-split meme routine 5-6 days a week with the 6th day usually for abs and whatever I feel is lagging.

>>41665166
Same but I like to go 7 days, I feel restless skipping a single day.
Chest+Tri -> Back -> Legs n Shoulders -> repeat
Core and cardio every day at the end.

Which reminds me, do your cardio on Tren.
Yes you'll hate it.

>tfw going to the gym at 2 am and have it all to myself

>>41663204
Mate I've been in your position and was exactly the same like you I took her for granted and all that, fast forward a month I managed to get her back it she called it off after a month citing it isn't the same anymore

tldr you might get her back temporarily but it wont last

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Yo someone thought I was some other TacoGains or something from Reddit lulz. Also 154 cutting to 145 on test C 600mg a week could very well actually be 400mg a week lol

>>41665419
nice damage control my main man we all know its you

>>41665419
wow v short

>>41665480
Wasn't it a chick my dude?
>>41665509
Also yea like five foot seven

>>41665532
no you were posting your gf after she ran an anavar cycle. post some current pics of her since you deleted the ones in the reddit thread.

>>41665532
there's definitely a shortage of taller roiders.

only one i can compare myself to as per height is MasT and thats real hard considering he has 25+kg on top of my weight.

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>>41665540
Dude not me I'm just some manlet who's addicted to fast food that dude was 6 foot lol

>>41665573
bimbo was 6'5

>>41665573
Yea I'm short and hope I don't look too small at 145. If I do I'll just bulk on fast food test and anadrol. Bimbos tall no?

>>41665650
he was 6'2" max and had a tiny dick

>>41665655
lol people posted pics of him next to others

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>>41665651
Yes but bimbs is forever gone

>>41665681
What happened to bimbo?

>>41665687
hes not dead but he wont be coming back anytime soon.

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>A client of mine @imbigwes I've been working with since February. Super proud of you Wes, 40lbs is amazing. Keep it up. If want results like this email or dm me!

What do you think of bimbo's client's progress? Gee whiz, personal trainer, professional stock broker, salesman, gay pornstar, how does he find the time! He would never lie about something right?

>>41665573
/fraud/ just seems to be inhabitted by turbo manlets. Which is weird considering manlets have it easier.

>>41665744
>that insecure "quirky" face betas do to pretend they don't care

>>41665707
Yeah but what happened? He got shit for doing gay porn and people doxxed him and posted his porn, but that shit wasn't anything new. I was away and when I came back he was gone.

>>41665759
most people outgrow this shit hole

>>41665800
hes already in his 30s he should have outgrown it long ago lmao

>>41665811
he's like 24-26

>>41665818
bimbo pls

>>41665834
I hope he still lurks so he knows he is missed.

>>41665860
he knows

>>41665834
>>41665834
kek my typing isn't even like that hed probably know his own age not guess
>>41665860
>>41665865
hes not he complained and wasn't big just a lanky faggot

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