/fraud/

>>41616906
If you're thinking about girls penetrating you? I would call that sheer denial.

>>41616985
>Before posting questions, make sure you've read the reddit r/steroids wiki, preferably more than once.
link it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/index

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>>41617025
crusader_irl

>>41617109
Close.

>>41617109
What the fuck is that shit?

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>>41617136
You doing good bro?
Trust me man. There is a silver lining coming up. Shit does get better. It may not feel like it now, and it may not feel like it in a long time. But shit does get better. Nothing lasts forever

>>41617154
I still love her. We both agreed the other night that we were both incredibly insecure about each other. She admitted to me she thought I was too good looking and smart for her and she was taken back when I said I thought the same about her.

I don't know man. I don't know what to do. Just feels weird and lonely.

>>41617025
Hows a girl going to fuck you in the ass.
You homos sure are creative

>>41617109
I never said it back to my ex at all.
I hope it pains her

>>41616985

What's the mildest shit to inject for a noobie? Not interested in doing it yet as I don't know what I'm doing, but interested nonetheless.

Also, how to manage side effects (gyno, testicular atrophy, etc.)?

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>>41617193

READ THE FUCKING OP

READ IT

>>41617193
read the op, retard

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>>41617193
just plain and simple testosterone.

aromasin/anastrazole for gyno/estrogen
HCG balls or just suck it up because they will just go back to size after you're done.

now go and enjoy this free pass ive just given you.

>>41617183
C'mon jerry like you've never heard of pegging before.

My ex-ex gf once mentioned it to me
>Do you know what pegging is?
>>Yes...Where are you going with this?
>Would you want to try it?
>>Fuck no.
>Fine. No more anal for you.
>>Lol whatever, I'm not getting my ass fucked.

>don't take accutane for a single day
>pee goes from constantly being dark yellow to crystal clear in literally one day
holy shit is my liver garbage

>>41617209

>aromasin/anastrazole for gyno/estrogen

Is this 100% guaranteed no gyno provided you take the right dosage at the right times?

>>41617182
That is a weird situation. I'm no stranger to that kind of thing though.

Honestly this sounds like something that should be given time to grow. Time apart would be good. Later down the line if the feelings are still there, there shouldn't be a reason to say no.

If she still keeps saying no after some time, she most likely has some baggage going on that you should not be dealing with.

How long have you known her for?

>>41617225
>provided you take the right dosage at the right times?

you've said it yourself, if you take the right dosage at the right times.

read the OP.

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>>41617213
What do women even get out of pegging. Thats like cwc slicing open his taint for fucking

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>>41617235
I've known her for about 4 years. She's the younger sister of a girl in my highschool grade. I didn't know she existed until I saw her FB profile when I was in my first year of uni but apparently she had a crush on me during highschool. So she's known me for about 6 years

Apparently I was popular with girls from the grades below mine. I was just too socially retarded to notice.

>>41617272
No idea, ex-ex gf was a nymph. She just wanted to do crazy shit constantly.

>>41617272
All women want to feel what's it like to have a penis

>>41617278
Bruh wtf

Yeah take some time apart. That sucks that she is acting like that, low self esteem or whatever. Right now my dude, focus on yourself and achieving good shit.

That's my advice at least. They way I see it is if a girl can't see herself with you, she probably isn't worth your time. At least not right now

>>41617330
They can be dominant without a piece of plastic so thwy can feel physical enjoyment though?

>>41617358
I've said before, I'm an emotional little bitch and need affection. I'm going to (try) avoid contact with her until she texts me first.

>>41617363
Not just dominant. There are plenty of men who aren't dominant with their penis. Women want to feel what it's like to fuck with a penis. It doesn't matter that the penis isn't providing stimulation or especially orgasm. Most women have never had an orgasm from vaginal penetration anyway.

>>41617402
My man, you're doing the right thing

We and your gains will be here for you

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>>41617402
D a k i
Fuckin beta bitch

>>41617418
>Most women have never had an orgasm from vaginal penetration anyway
Small dick whiteboi detected

I dont get it still but ok

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>>41617450
Daki you say?

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>>41617490
Get it
Women have been replaced

>>41617520
Girls are good though. You should try a real one. Nothing like having her curl up in your lap and stroking her hair.

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>>41617450
>>41617520

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>>41617609

>>41617586
I can do that with Azusa

>>41617609
This guy has the right idea

Its really hard to see the pupil on the eye of my favorite daki, but the lighting was just right earlier and I was staring in, and she was staring out

>>41617647
What are you running atm?

>>41617774
200 test/tren

>>41617975
How's the 1:1 treating you? I'm thinking of moving to 500:500 test/tren because I'm at day 10 of tren and not feeling almost any sides other than some heat.

>>41617989
Its day 10 dummy
Also what ester?

Def more sides, might reduce it while I refeed heal, I think 2:3 is best ratio

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>>41617989
>I want to up the dose so I can feel like crap

>>41618022

Do you need AI on that dose?

>>41618016
I was expecting at least something by day 10. It's ace.
>>41618022
I already feel like a miserable piece of shit. May as well be an angry piece of shit who can make more gains.

thor looks MAD

----
> also
So Im approaching week 6 on cycle but im poor and my parents are absolutely not gonna give me any cash so I think I just won't get bloods.

I will ~probably~? donate blood sometime because I am running EQ but from what Ive seen it only lowers hematocrit marginally

Im taking 1mg adex E3D and no orals so I think Im relatively fine. Im fat as fuck though so I need to lose weight ASAP so I wont need ralox down the line... probably will, but fuck.

>>41618046
The first 8 weeks are the honeymoon

>>41618049
Why don't you just use DNP if your goal is weight loss?

>>41618054
Okay bb, I'll wait then.

>>41618042
I'm only on the 3rd pin, even if I do need it that'll be a few weeks from now. Only going to be on for maybe 8 weeks anyway.

>>41618068

>150mg Deca
>8 weeks

What are you playing at here

>>41618061
cuz I dont need it? I just need to stop eating like a retard. also fuck DNP, I dont have the genetics for it.

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>>41618049
forgot pic somehow

>>41617989
>>41618016
Either of you guys experience any hairloss on Tren? I've been thinking about running a low dose for like 6 weeks to help cut but I'm afraid it will wreck my shit

>>41618076
I'm working on getting my strength back and the Deca will help me do that better than adding an equivalent amount of test.

>>41618100
What fucking genetics do you need for DNP?

also
>im a fat fuck
>but i don't need dnp
>>41618116
I've lost nothing so far. Could be a placebo but I feel my beard grows faster on tren.

>>41618130
you need the genetics to not get hives from DNP, I have chronic hives already

>>41618046
Got over my ex recently bro all of took was slamming through a bunch of sluts on tinder. But now I met a reall cool girl and I think I'm her rebound hurts real bad man

>>41618126

Just seems like it'd barely be peaking by then, why not NPP or Var?

>>41618169
Chem have you ever ran NPP? What are your thoughts on it?

pls respond

>>41618157
I can't bring myself to look at other girls. I get near them and then I get disgusted.

>>41618207
You're a fucking pussy dude. Grow up and get over that whore.

B E T A

E

T

A

>>41618220
no u

>>41618169
I don't have any Var and I can't stand to pin more than twice a week.

>>41618227
It's unhealthy as fuck man. Move on. SAD!

>>41618207
I feel you bro that's why I was just smashing and then moving on, but this current one is different so I'm sure you'll find someone just as good man. Buttt fuck me ill be depressed if she runs back to her ex and I'll probably jump on a bunch of tren and go back to tinder.

>>41618237
Girls hurt.

>>41618236
>has RHR of 100
>takes tren and sdrol

Do you really think I care about being healthy? I just want what I think will make me happy.

>>41618193

I've never ran any form of Nandrolone by itself, but I did run Test + Tren + NPP + Sdrol

Looked freaky, strength through the roof, nipples leaking despite caber

>>41618234

Don't see why you couldn't pin NPP twice a week, or E3D

>>41618116
Im.balding anyways, shed a lil harder on tren

>>41618130
Hairloss takes a bit
It dies then falls out later
You wont notice for a few werks

>>41618262
I only have one vial of NPP regardless and plenty of Deca to use up.

bros I'm fucking feeling so jacked and I'm one week from end of my 12 week cycle and I didn't even need to use an AI. Thank you genetics! What should I try next?

>>41618260
Physical health is a trade off for being joocy, mental health can't always be perfect but being a beta bitch obsessing over a roastie who doesn't give 2 shits about you and is out taking big black cock every night right now is just plain sad

>I just want what I think will make me happy
All happiness comes from the Lord. That bitch is not it f a m

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>>41618237
>but this current one is different

>>41618457
Happiness doesn't fall from Heaven. Happiness comes from good works and a wholesome life. I wanted to marry this girl and have a family with her.

>>41618471
Obviously not what god wants for you so stop trying

>>41618483
Because you're the mouthpiece of God.

>Pray as though everything depended on God. Work as if everything depended on you.

Good men don't roll over in the face of adversity.

>>41618471
Well a wholesome life doesn't entail hopelessly lusting after some shitty girl who doesn't want you and reducing yourself to a grovelling little cuck.

Even if she did come back to you, she'd end up leaving again. Count yourself lucky it wasn't after you guys got married and had kids. Divorce is a sin m8

>>41618503
they also dont shitpost on 4chan

>>41618503
You're way too serious of a person. Go enjoy your good works if that's what you find satisfying. Stop whining about stuff though.

>>41618506
I don't think lusting is the correct word.

>>41618511
>Stop whining about stuff though.
fite me

>>41618460
Yea different as in she's not just some cum slut I met off tinder. She's someone I can actually have a conversation with and enjoy being around.

>>41618520
Semantics, you know what I'm trying to convey. Stop being weak. Deus definitely not vult

Unrelated:
>Would Jesus roid?

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>>41618555
I know what I want and so I'll seek it out.

>Would Jesus roid?
Why would He?

>>41618157
Where did you meet the cool girl? I'm tired of Tinder sluts.

>>41618584
Real life, at college lol.

>>41618593
Oh man lucky you. What I would give to be back in a college town and surrounded by beautiful women. The real world is absolute hell for meeting them.

Lately I've been getting full really easily, usually with orals it means my liver is dying but anavar is barely toxic what gives

>>41618572
To get joocy and be able to remove himself from any crosses he found himself affixed to

>>41618619
Get a minimum wage job tons of fertile teen cuties working in the summer

Guys isn't Mast on relatively low dose? There's a bunch of faggots at my gym on huge stacks who look way worse.

>>41618639
I think that defeats the point of the crucifixion. fyi the crucifix that Jesus carried weight roughly about 300lbs.

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Tren Acetate vs NPP for a 10 week bulk cycle with TRT test and a dbol kickstart?

>>41618664
>the crucifix that Jesus carried weight roughly about 300lbs.
bullshit

it was probably 275

>>41618664
>not being able to do 300 lb cross flies

>>41618669
NPP, you can pin EOD and won't go insane after 6 weeks.

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>cruising 150/200 test/tren per week
>cutting at -500-800 cals per day
>gained 6lbs in the last 2 weeks
Do I have a tumor? Fucking hell, it can't be all water weight

>>41618669
>using dbol with tren
RIP estradiol

>>41618767
Why would you run such low dose

>>41618758
How fast does NPP kick in? How long can I run it?

>>41618767
congrats on your thyroid problem

>>41618789
It's between Prop and Enth, you're going to feel it pretty quickly and you can run it for your whole blast. Could have bloat issues with the dbol depending on the dose.

>>41618786
>cruising
I'm not blasting here m8

>>41618791
Think I could have fucked up my thyroid somehow? I've been eating less than I was when I was maintaining 240lbs. I've been cruising 150 test for 8mo, haven't come off b&c in 18months.

How do powerlifters gear usage look compared to bodybuilders?

>go through my gfs search history on occasion
>never any porn
>typical considering she's kinda prudish
>two days ago though she watched a lesbian vid fingering vid

Threesome when?

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I keep getting sarmspot ads on facebook. Is this shit even worth the money at all? I mean obviously they won't be as good as real anabolics, but if a natty took SARMs would it be noteworthy?

>>41618887
dylan gemelli strikes again

>>41618886
Going through search history is kinda rude

>>41618891
Don't know who that is, but the search results make him look like a faggot.

>>41618887
Get ublock origin retard

>>41618886
She's being converted by the Jews into lesbianism you must fuck get extra rough so she gets addicted to the power of cock

>>41618867
Guys chasing world records in high weight classes can push BB tier doses, it tends to be relatively light in smaller weight classes though.

>>41618913
uBlock can't do shit for sponsored or recommended posts.

>>41618867
i'd imagine less due to injury risks

but peptide/hgh usage is probably off the charts

>>41618887
You can put on a few pounds of lean mass and make some nice strength gains in an 8 week cycle. I would recommend it. Just make sure to do your research and get themfrom a good source (not sarmsx). I would go on r/PEDs to get more info.

>>41618932
>>41618939
I was just curious because I was reading that gear doesnt have a major effect on strength and that untested vs tested is pretty small difference compared to what you'd think it would be.

Is it because steroids put on a lot more mass than strength and so it'd push you into other weightclass?

>>41618952
Are they less effective than peptides?

What's a good standard NPP dose for my first cycle with TRT test? 500mg?

>>41618979
>I was reading that gear doesnt have a major effect on strength
hoooo boy

>>41618995
Maybe I wrote it wrong but it's not linear compared to muscle gains is what I read. And that seems logical, there's massive roiders at my gym who are much weaker than they look

>>41618979
>that gear doesnt have a major effect on strength

What article have you been reading?

>>41619018
https://www.strongerbyscience.com/steroids-for-strength-sports/

It sort of makes sense to me because Jeff Seid-type people and even gym normie roiders are weak af

>>41619033
Because they don't train for strength numbnuts.

>>41619033
Aesthetic faggot don't lift for strength. Also low bf + dehydration + carb depletion makes you weak as fuck

>>41619033
This is a great article; it only measures testosterone though. Doesn't take other compounds into consideration.

>>41619045
For natties it appears that strength = size, though.

>>41619066
Natties are dumb. Hence why they're still natty.

Sarcoplasmic =/= myofibrillar

>>41619083
>not wanting to harm your health by injecting bathtub drugs is dumb

Ah yes

>>41619095
>harm your health
>steroids

natties truly are dumb. You only harm your health if you're stupid or apathetic.

>>41619102
>what could possibly happen to my htpa by introducing exogenous hormones!

lol ok buddy

>>41619095
>not harming your health
>lifting

Nigger every time people step in the gym they risk their fucking health with all manner of injury and unhealthy choice.

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>>41619116
>LOOK AT THESE POSSIBLE SIDE EFFECTS
>THIS MEANS ITS AN INHERENTLY UNHEALTHY ENDEAVOUR NO MATTER WHAT

DID YOU ALSO KNOW YOU COULD PERMANENTLY PARALYSE YOURSELF FROM LIFTING?

ITS INHERENTLY UNHEALTHY NO MATTER WHAT NOW

pathetic

>>41619131
>>41619125
>Injecting cattle hormones and then dealing with a multitude of problems then taking indian drugs to fix those problems
>Roiders will compare this to lifting and say it's not inherently unhealthy

Lmao

>>41619151
>Hasn't supplied one sliver of evidence to suggest that steroid use in an inherently unhealthy practice

Keep those fallacies going kiddo.

The position maintains: Steroid use is neither inherently healthy or unhealthy. It is down to the individual and their personal use.

>>41619178
>Abscesses, infertility and bombed natty test is healthy

>>41619191
>Abscesses, infertility
Not inherently linked to steroid use.

>bombed natty test
Not inherently unhealthy when you replace it.

>>41619198
how is it not linked you fucking ape

>this is what roiders actually believe

>>41619213
I didn't say it wasn't linked you fucking ape. I said it's no inherently linked. Not everybody who uses steroids will become infertile nor will they get an abscess. Therefore it is not inherently linked.

I hold my position: natties are dumb.

>>41619229
>ah my balls shrinking is totally not linked to my exogenous hormone usage!

>>41619244
Testicular atrophy has no inherent health negatives.

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>>41619244
lmao @ replying to crusader

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>>41619254
Why don't you love me?

>>41619251
>none of the side effects are negative because I redefined them

ok man whatever

>>41619254
Yeah, this must be the neurodegenerative effects of tren taking their toll.

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>>41619275
>Still can't point out a single inherently unhealthy effect of steroid use

Oh wow.

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>crusader is in love with THIS

gf is on her period

should I play with her butt or do facial

>>41619302
why not use this time for meditation?

>>41619302
Get nasty in her cunt I would

>>41619284
Thank you for doing God's work.

Even tho you keep posting that little boy in make up all the time.

>>41619308
because she's never done anal before but I've been slipping fingers in during sex and pushing her boundaries

hoping to turn her into my buttslave soon

her being disgusted by it just turns me on more and makes it even dirtier and deviant

>>41619319
Anal is fucking disgusting. God damn what is wrong with people.

>>41619319
>her being disgusted by it just turns me on more and makes it even dirtier and deviant
its your life. I expect she will be sucking off Jamal and you'll be posting on 4chan before her next menses.

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What's up fags

I think I want to become and alcoholic this shit is kinda fun

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>>41619297
>>41619316
shhhhhhhhhhhh

>>41619319
Anal feels worse than normal sex. Not worth it.

>>41619326
>this
Why would God put a sewer next to a playground?
But seriously, 1/3 of the time you're going to have shit all over your dick, if not all the time.

>>41619333
there's something hot about doing things to girls that they don't wanna do

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>>41619344
>She has a boyfriend

>>41619344
>Anal feels worse than normal sex.

probably because your ex was the anal star of the high school football team. buttholes are tight as hell.

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>>41619364
She's getting RICED as we speak

>>41619365
Just how small is your dick? It's tight for the first maybe 2-3 inches.

Also this was ex-ex gf not ex gf.

>>41619371
>>41619364
>she

>>41619373
Anal is different than vaginal you're not supposed to go balls deep. You push the head of your COCK in and out of her ass so the tightest part stimulates your foreskin.

Filthy dumb Christian scum and your ex is getting BLACKED and ANZU is getting RICED.

>>41619395
Yeah nah. That sounds boring as all fuck. Ex-ex gf preferred balls to the wall sort of stuff and that shaped what I liked.

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>I-IT'S IN ONII-SAN

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>Australian "men" pay twice as much as first world countries for steroids

LOL

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do steroids or any other stuff have an effect on mood? I have depression, and before I get too deep into steroids, I want to at least know if theres much of a risk of making it any worse.

>>41619455
Depression is the result of feeling like a weak cuckold failure so steroids can help turn you into a real man.

can I pin delts even if I'm dyel

Sup fraud, what's the usual size of vials? Gonna do babbys first test E 16wk cycle.
All the sources just list 250 mg/ml

>>41619630
10ml

>>41619598
have you ever gotten vaccinated you fucking idiot?

>>41619751
no I don't want autism

>>41619652
Thanks, that would mean a 250 vial will last me for 5weeks @ 500mg/week?

>>41619761

Too late

>>41619764
Yes.

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first tren cycle, 150mg test prop 350mg tren ace per week ED injections

5 days in i noticed some slight thinning at the crown and at the front, keep in mind i have a thick head of hair,
99% sure i don't have mpb
i'm not shedding at all, hairline hasn't recessed, i'm just thinning
the fuck is going on? i'm about to drop the tren because it seems like it isn't for me
does tren really fuck hair up so badly?

i JUST started getting leaned out too this is so bullshit

>>41619913
jerry says you don't notice the thinning until weeks in. So maybe you're just experiencing a placebo.

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>>41619930
>So maybe you're just experiencing a placebo.

i guess i'm just paranoid..
now that i think about it i kept checking my hair every time i passed the mirror since starting this cycle

reading about those hair horror stories on tren must've fucked me up

i had a buzzcut once and my head's shaped like a fucking egg, if i had to go bald i'd kill myself asap

>>41619978
I've been on for 10 days on 500mg, don't have mpb and haven't experienced any hair thinning. Although I really haven't been looking at my hair to be honest because I'm not that worried about it. But it feels pretty normal and I don't get hair stuck on my hand when I run them through it.

I think you're being paranoid

>>41619978
This is exactly why I'll never try tren, so terrified to fuck my hair up. I'm already balding but trying to avoid high androgenic drugs

>tfw no joocy lean tren physique
>tfw no a e s t h e t i c tren face
>tfw no extreme sexual desires and wanting to fug trannies

>tfw more inferior I feel the bigger I want to be

anyone else?

>>41619455
Definitely can make it worse. Gear is weird, man. I haven't ever felt the "rage" that people expect but if my estrogen gets too high, I feel sad as FUCK

>>41616985
How much have you guys paid for HGH? I'm paying about $160 per kit (10 vials of growth each). Wanna make sure I'm not getting ripped off

>>41617109
What kind of cuck fag shit is this

Is bimbo back yet? He posted his diet a while ago and I wanted to shamefully ask for a repost.

>>41620532
He hasn't posted for a few days now. Assumably he killed himself.

>>41617418
this

also there are pegging strap-ons which have another dildo on the inside going into her cunt so every thrust still stimulates her. what a time to be alive

>>41620465
That's cheap af... Hope you've got the real stuff

>>41619455
if you're critically low test, adding some exogenous mones might help, and if your body image and self-worth is down the gutter getting swole and jacked helps too. they're not inherently a feelgood magic button though, no.

I caved and texted my ex again. I feel like the tren makes me more wanting of attention.

>>41621372
I'm such a miserable cunt.

>>41619455
try phenibut, worked for me

>>41621372
fgt

>>41619341
you should try druggas

>>41621661
tell me more

>>41621667
nothing more to it desu

>>41621689
please tell me how shit I am

>>41621757
Just man up dude

anyway, hows training?

>>41621770
Good feels in training. Other than backbumps which make me want to die.

>>41621792
stats?

Fuck. I feel so burnt out on this PSMF. I feel like shit because I can't do my upper/lower 6x a week and can only feel like I can do it 4x a week.

Is this okay lads? As long as I lift intensely I shouldn't lose too much gains, yeah?

>>41621372
Beta af. I know that feel, high mast or test made me the same pussy. I was constantly thinking about my gf cheating on me. I was in the mind of the beta cuck i will never be again. Higher dose is no good for me, that's why i will never be big like you guys and always remain skinny.

>>41621799
Yolo still alive, did you gain muscle yet or what?

>>41622568
>Yolo still alive, did you gain muscle yet or what?

yeah man.

>>41622460
I am on keto atm and the first week was so much killing. Man up and stop whining like a pussy. Do you want shreds or do you wanna remain fat forever?

>Lose gains while being on roids and enough protons.


>>41622591
Current pic?

>>41622615
>Current pic?

Im at work

Newfag here.

I'm a practitioner of MMA and wrestling aside from lifting shit. I'm reasonably strong (except my DL), I just want something for an extra edge to get a bit stronger and improve my endurance. I'm not looking for ridiculous results or anything.

TL;DR I'm an athlete who's plateauing and who wants something to improve all around performance.

I've been told just test and Dbol, but no idea amounts or timing or anything. Any advice appreciated.

6'0"
240 lbs
21 years old
Lifting for 4-5 years (not sure exactly when I started)

385 Bench
535 Squat
515 DL

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Aye, I'm coming back from a peck tear and a lower back injury and was wondering if running a cycle for the first time would be okay.
I'm 32 have spent 4 years training, and my bf is 22% I let myself get fat from not being able to really work out for 4 months. Also what would be recommend for this. I just want strength I really don't care about fat I can drop it easy.

>>41622615
I've just been feeling mentally burnt out as fuck since I've been training almost every day up until this point.

Plus my faggot ass gym is closed and I was supposed to do legs today, which meant pistol squats and shit like that. I tried doing that shit but felt weak af, so decided fuck it, ate my meal for the day, and will hit legs hard tomorrow when the gym opens.

>>41622638
How's work going for you? Weren't you like a programmer/developer ? Do you know that your job will be take over by Indians very soon?


>>41622661
>22% Bodyfat
>roids
You see how stupid this sound when you put those word in one sentence.

>>41622665
Do whatever you need to do to get the job done. If it was that easy, everyone would be big and shredded

>>41622704
>How's work going for you?
Very good actually, thanks :)

>Weren't you like a programmer/developer ?
I am. Im doing front-end web dev work specifically.

>Do you know that your job will be take over by Indians very soon?
nah m8

>>41622661
no it would not be okay.

lose the fat first.

>>41622704
Fuck it, tomorrow I'm hitting legs hard as FUCK.

What routine are you running right now on your cut?

>>41622704
>>41622730
Meh, what I thought. what % should I get down to?

>>41622727
You're naive, but soon will face reality like the rest.

Especially that kind of work is easy outsourceable

>>41622740
That's more like it.

Lower weight more reps. I am not as strong as i would be on my bulk but i still wanna feel that burn and contraction. Lower weight more reps it is

>>41622754
Until you see striations @your glutes

I lately have this feeling i can't feel enjoyment anymore. I am buying a kind of cool stuff for myself but it's like i can't feel any pleasure anymore.

is this the end guys? did i completely lose myself?

>>41622875
Buy tren

my shipment of raw just entered us customs. I'm from canada. what the fuck.

>>41622970
Hahaha get fucked you fuckin leaf

>>41622648
Dbol (and anadrol) might be more noticeable in weight gain especially if they stack on water fast.

Apart from steroids, ITPP is great for performance enhancing/endurance. It releases more oxygen from red blood cells so it enhances aerobic limit before you move into anaerobic.

>>41619455

In case you're still here...

I went from low test to "generous self-administered TRT" (test levels near 1200), and the mild depression I felt was eliminated. I'm happier than ever.

UNLESS my estro gets out of whack (too high in my case). Then I get very emotional, especially when stressed. No ragrets, though.

>>41622661

If you want to run a cycle, then run a cycle.

The handful of steroid forums I've been to will let loose some autistic shrieking if you say you're over 12% before starting to use steroids.

At a higher bodyfat like 22%, the stuff won't work as well, you'll need to be more careful about health markers (cholesterol and stuff), and you'll need more AI. That's all. It's not optimal, but I don't see what they get so worked up about.

It's ideal that you lose the fat first, but meh.

>>41623290
asin tends to spike my bp like 150/90

tfw on test right now and adrol with no ai with on issues (dbol at any dose i need ai) tfw 110/70 right now

>>41623308

Damn, I forgot to mention blood pressure. It was one of the other health markers I wanted to bring up.

Fatter people generally have cholesterol AND blood pressure problems.

>>41616985
Hey /fraud/. Last year I ran 500test for a couple months, then added 150tren and wow what a boost. But it made me way too tired. Even fell asleep while a girl was putting in a show for me.
I wanna do another 500 test and add something else, but I simply can't take the tiredness. Besides killing myself, what do you recommend? Or easier, what's second best to tren?

>>41623404
Nothing says you have to blast 500 test every time m8

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>>41622875
This is how I feel.

Thank god fir functional alcoholism and idolm@ster

Atleast I can still work on getting more hench

>>41623404
You could try 500 test for 10 weeks and then amp it up to 750 test for a few weeks and see if that does anything.

what substances increase agression/roid rage the most?

i heard that halotestin induces anger quite well

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>>41622875
time for you to play Bloodborne

>>41623404

I've heard some people say that they get less tren sides with low test and high tren (as opposed to the high test and low tren you were doing). Maybe try that?

Or just more test.

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What are the first early signs that your tren is starting to kick in?

>>41623404
Try a oral

>>41623522
Id never finished that, so this weekend I turned it on and beat moonthing 1st try
Very disapointed

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What body fat % is Goku? If you had Goku's bod without the superpowers, what would the stats be?

>>41623562
I like that pic. Mind if I save it?

Fill out, killin it in the gym
Sides kinda build up with time more

>>41623576
play the dlc nigger

>>41623521
oh it does

>>41623562
if you have to ask, it's not at full peak yet. you'll notice.

So how do I talk to women
Even coworkers Ive known for a year plus makes me break out in cold sweats

>>41623660
I did
It was good
I think clocktower lady was my favorite boss even though she was a reskin of that das3 boss

exgf said she doesn't want any more emotional talks until exams are over but she's happy to have friendly conversations. What did she mean by this? How do I use this to win her over?

On a fitness related note, why are rows the nigger of all exercises? They're just fucking horrible.

>>41623718
how can she be a reskin if bloodborne came out first retard

>>41623723

It means she doesn't want the stress added on to her exam stress.

Quit being a faggot and move on to someone who actually wants you.

Rows are great. Either you're doing them wrong, or you're just a pussy.

>>41623730
You know what I mean suck a dick

>>41623723
She wanted to get rid of you kindly
You know what girls do before exams when theres no classes? Have tons of sex. 6-10 guys a day easy

>>41623723
you are an obsessed cuck and rows are GOAT so just stop posting altogether

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>>41623755
you don't give something minus points for being unoriginal if it came out first

jesus christ no wonder you can't talk to people

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>>41623750
>>41623756
No fuck off. I'm either going to win her over or zyzz myself into a tren induced heart attack. Either way I'll die fucking happy. I'm not rolling over on this shit.

I just fucking hate rows so damn much. I just feel like they do nothing but they keep going up so I just keep doing them.

>>41623755
>So how do I talk to women

>>41623790
You know Im right
I understand why youd deny it but you know I speak the truth

>>41623780
Ok since youre a moron who takes read subtext, I enjoyed that boss the most even though I had personally already veaten what was almost the same fight many times

Go back to neogaf

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>>41623816

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>>41623830
Nice topic change
Sorry your ex is a whore

>>41623790
goddamn it you stupid whiny attention-whoring nigger

just tell her that you'll kill yourself if she doesn't come back so she leaves and you off yourself already

>>41623790

don't listen to this guy >>41623858 m8

just keep your distance from her for a month or two, keep working out, maybe start learning a language or something. Show her you're fine by yourself and if she loves you she'll want to be with you again.

>>41623856
I mean it was more of a reference to you saying "I speak the truth". I mean the second I find out she's fucked another guy, I'll find that cunt and split his head on the curb. Then I'll find her and cry a lot probably.

>>41623858
I can't off myself otherwise I don't go to Heaven. I like being a whiny attention whore. It feeds my ego, plus it makes these threads more fun.

>>41623881
But shouldn't I use the conversation opportunity to show her that I'm a better person than the one she left? I mean I don't actively use social media and we don't have any way of coincidentally running into each other. So I don't see another way of conveying to her that I'm worth it.

>>41623919
hassle a cop into shooting you. that way it's technically not suicide and skydaddy will still love you

>>41623718
Just be nice and charming and funny m8
People like people like that

>>41623919
send her a video of you benching 3pl8 in two months, she'll be all over you

>>41623955
Are you implying that I don't bench 3 pl8 now?

>>41623939
I don't live in a 3rd world country. Police shootings are reserved for muslims only.

so how long into blast and cruise can I expect to be able to get prescription testosterone on account of my balls have stopped producing it? 5 years? 10?

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>>41623950
>just b urself ;)

>>41623919
If you truly love her you will eat her poop.

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>>41623997
what is this dumb ass question

>>41624004
>implying

some guy did a cycle, stopped with no PCT then went to the doctor who then prescribed him test for his low test (go figure)

>>41623969
oh, right you are aussie. thought you were US based for a moment. never mind then

>>41624004
isn't the point of B&C to shutdown your natural testosterone production for good so that you can get TRT prescribed by your doctor?

>>41623998
Oh no breh. You certainly can't be yourself
>s-so this weekend I swallowed another tranny's load before going home to my pillow wife

Be someone other than yourself. Your'e welcome for the help.

In all seriousness do you not have friends who can introduce you into their wider social circle or something like that?

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>>41624039
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!
1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

have /fraud/ been lying to me all this time!????!

>>41624039
u wot m8

>>41624039
no its not. blast and cruise simply means using high dosages for weeks and then going on low dosages for life.

>>41624023
yeah well no shit, except that every doctor just gives you clomid/hcg and that shit will bounce ya right back.

>all these fags getting their test from god knows where

I went to the doctor, told him my dick wouldn't get hard properly and he prescribed me test.

>>41624062
Free hcg sounds breddy gud though.

>>41624073
You probably live in a toxic masculine country.

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>>41624087
It's also completely free. Thanks, socialist government!

>mfw getting swole for free

>>41624040
Lol
Fairly accurate

I dont like alot of their circles
Others said they havent introduced because "theyre all crazy"
Whatever that means

So thats no help

>>41624104
Finland?

>>41624104
>tfw only testogel is free here
>tfw anything injectable costs roughly what I would pay if I bought UGL in bulk
brb selling off the gel satchets to desperate dyels at my gym with a 500% profit margin

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Hey, /fraud/

For those of you who asterisk'd themselves with sust, how long did it take you to notice strenght gains? Did you change your diet much after starting injections?

Asking for a friend of course.

would I be wasting money if I hop on gear then workout only 4 hours a week?

>>41624105
Well what the hell do you want then man?
>I can't talk to girls
>try this to be with people in a more comfortable setting
>no

Come to England you can come to the pub with me and my pals

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>>41623576

>>41624178
no way to tell. if volume and intensity match, that's enough for gains. if you're just doing jack shit for those 4 hours, oh well.

>inb4 that one study where sedentary males grew muscle mass without working out
not what I meant

>>41617109
damn wtf like I gave my ex a final hug, but even that was too much I thought after it was said and done

>>41623919
i would suggest to clean up your basement. buy a cage and some chains.
go to your ex knock here out take her to your basement lock here in the cage and tell her how you feel

she will love you again if you leave her long enough down there

>>41616985
Hello, I am a biologist, during my graduation at university I had human physiology class and was learning about how steroid use works...

Basically the teacher explained how negative feedback works and how injecting testosterone fucks the entire system up.

I then asked her if we could not simply inject LH alongside the testosterone to prevent the disregulation of the mechanism, and she kind of just pretended not to understand the question and said she never heard of anyone doing that before.

What do you /cheatingfrauds/ think? Would this work?

>>41624186
I want a gf with no effort
Like how girls get guys

Brt neet you in heartfordmentshire in 10 minutes

>>41624190
Niohs better

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>>41624238
No dice. Australians don't have basements.

>>41624250
in theory yes. not viable in the long term though, it'll still all be downregulated at some point for muh homeostasis. basically a more elaborate way to running lots of hcg with added sides over time.

>>41624250
Sounds like a Pandora's Box of shit. But in theory I guess.

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Newbie here.
I'll be starting next week (first time), but is there anyone who can tell me if smoking weed affects the Deca?
I'm probably going to need it to ease my mind, but i don't want to kill my gainz.
Other tips for a first time /fraud/ are more than welcome

>>41624359
Warm your oil in hot water for a few minutes before injecting. Best thing I ever learnt. Although I don't think deca is going to cause you a lot of pip.

>>41624250

You would need something that prevents the brain from reading the increased testosterone levels, right?

I know SERMS effectively do that for estrogen, but I don't know if theres anything like that for test?

>>41624250
Then you undermine your body's own Luteinizing Hormone production. At some point you will get a hormone crash when interfering with the closed system.

It doesn't matter because we have PCT or B-and-C.

>>41624296
>>41624314
Huh, I knew my theory was right, the stupid bitch of a teacher simply did not want to admit it.
>>41624381
>You would need something that prevents the brain from reading the increased testosterone levels, right?
Well, that would work too, but not really the point I was asking the teacher.

Im sure there must be something that would have that effect, would need to research for a bit though.
>>41624416
>It doesn't matter because we have PCT or B-and-C.
What are those again?

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>>41624377
Nice, i got advised to take Deca and Novadex, but i read somewhere that i should stack the Deca with Dianabol. Is that necessary or can i skip the Dianabol?

>>41624498
I never understood why people took serms on cycle. Like, just use AI you fucking poorfags.

Dbol would be a good choice given deca is going to take a good 6-8 weeks to build up to peak saturation.

>>41624436
>What are those again?
Post cycle therapy = taking nolvadex to inspire your body to create its own hormones again, something you do after a 10 week or 15 week cycle (after waiting 2 weeks)

B-and-C: Blast and Cruise - these people don't care about hormone system crashing because they plan to take anabolic steroids long term, possibly for life. They take a low dose of testosterone enanthate during the year and then when they want significant androgenic effects, they wildly increase the dose of testosterone while adding Tren, Dianabol, and other substances as well/.

>>41624528
>peak saturation.
>peak
>saturation

I need to go to bed.

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Just confirming what everyone already knew but milk thistle doesn't do shit. Can confirm because I hurt my liver on Dbol while "protecting" it with milk thistle. I did not use an extreme dose of Dbol, drink on cycle, or do anything stupid either.

Luckily, the liver is good at healing itself.

>>41624552
How much hurt?

>>41624533
>Post cycle therapy = taking nolvadex to inspire your body to create its own hormones again, something you do after a 10 week or 15 week cycle (after waiting 2 weeks)
Sounds effective and even healthy.
>>41624533
>B-and-C: Blast and Cruise - these people don't care about hormone system crashing because they plan to take anabolic steroids long term, possibly for life. They take a low dose of testosterone enanthate during the year and then when they want significant androgenic effects, they wildly increase the dose of testosterone while adding Tren, Dianabol, and other substances as well/.
Sounds incredibly unhealthy and dangerous.

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>>41624528
I'm going to do a 10 week cycle without the Dbol, but will i still make gains on Deca allone?
I've been told that i can gain 7kg's of pure muscle mass

>>41624201
why even workout if that study is true? is

>>41624627
ehhhhh for deca I'd put the cost-benefit cutoff at 12 weeks, 15 weeks would be optimal. It's a very slow acting compound but once it kicks it, you'll make mass like a madman. But you'll make gains without the dbol, but you will get frustrated and impatient with how long it takes for the deca to kick in.

As for total mass gained, depends on too many factors.

>>41624528
Because some people like high estrogen. It is anabolic.

>>41624648
because contrary to what some people on /fit/ believe, it's not about getting the most efficient effort vs. outcome ratio, I would never use DNP not for the toxicity but because I find it to be the easy way out. same for mass gains, I genuinely like to lift, and it's rewarding as fuck.

>>41624559
Just slight pain and fatigue on 1 day that has since passed. I do not believe I have scar tissue or anything, but admittedly no way to know.

>>41624605
>Sounds incredibly unhealthy and dangerous.
Don't say that here because it's very popular

>>41624733
This is actually a good point, doesn't estrogen improve recovery significantly? I also remember reading estrogen is important for satellite cells.

At what temperature should you store Test-E?
Will it lose its effect if exposed to heat?

>>41624797
>Don't say that here because it's very popular
I don't give a shit if it is popular, that is my opinion as a biologist.

Im not here because I want to take steroids, im here to discuss them scientifically out of academic curiosity.

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>Doing 3 weeks PSMF during 550mg Test E and 100 Var cycle
>About to throw in 25mg Superdrol ED because almost out of Var
>All with liver support of course

Oh shit boys. I'm gonna get so fucking cut. Currently 13-14% bodyfat, hopefully this fat shit will fly off in these three weeks

>>41616985
Where to get new test? My mom threw out $8000 worth of powder after my heart attack.

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>>41625073
I'm a skinnyfat 21 year old weakling lads. I really want to go on test. If I'm skinny everywhere but my gut (which sticks out a bit) is it still optimal?

>>41624881
We really have no proof that SERMs really do much, and as long as the person cruising uses an AI the only detriment is to their cholesterol.

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>>41625476

>>41625476
why did you get a heart attack?

>>41625500
aren't SERMS dangerous since we barely know anything about their long germ effects?

>>41625507
>overgrown nails

Nice attention to detail. Why don't niggers ever trim their fucking nails?

>>41625513
I didn't use anything but an AI after my last cycle (test, tren, dbol) and bloods already show my test back to normal.

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>>41625476
hmmm

>>41625499
Ideally you want to lean down a bit so you can lessen the estro related sides a test cycle can give you.

But you can run a test cycle with maybe an oral if you want.
Just make sure you fucking nail your diet and training down and don't be stupid about it.

Gain strength, do your accessories, lift hard. That's your priority right now, roids or no roids

>>41625598
I started lifting about four months ago. I'm kicking myself for following rippletits advice about gaining weight first even if you're skinnyfat. I should've fucking cut, become ultra aushwitz mode and then started lifting. Now I'm getting stronger but also have a gut and when I cut I'll lose my gains.

Fuck.

>>41625522
too much effort

>>41625476
she tossed away 20kg raw powder?
good lord that could pay for a new car

>>41625476
>Where to get new test? My mom threw out $8000 worth of powder after my heart attack.
Beat up your mother until she apologises!

>>41625507
>pic
lmfao

>>41625548
Aren't SERMs only used in PCT to prevent estrogen dominance anyways?

>>41625677
Yeah I was fucking pissed.

>>41625969
Sort of, but there's new evidence that show SERMs cause a bigger estrogen reuptake after you stop using them than if you never took them.

about to pour lots of soy sauce over my food
someone stop me

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>tfw going to a country where roids are legal

>tfw will finally be able to roid it the fuck up

>even going to have a gym in my uni

I'm excited lads

>>41626591
who cares if it's legal?
>I'm too stupid to buy frauds with btc
oh ok

>>41626618
more like

>i live in a shit country and am afraid of getting low quality shit online

>gonna get the highest grade stuff completely legally and paranoia free

I don't know m8, sounds good to me.

>>41626633
what country, what prices, what do you plan on getting

not that I care much but this could be relevant for later

>>41626699
Japan, not even kekking you. Just planning on getting test to start with, haven't run a cycle before.

>>41626711
oh yeah we had another japanon detailing his legal fraudery, I do love the concept kek

>>41624627
READ THE FUCKING OP FAGGOT

If I'm pinning NPP or Tren A every day cant I do subq since it's such a small amount?

NEW

>>41627090
>>41627090
>>41627090

>>41626542
just drink lots of water and do cardio

nothing wrong iwth salt so long as you dont stroke out from high bp