/fasting/ general - autofaggy edition

reported and saged

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Here's what happened on my 4 day fast

-Allergies cleared up (Ill update if they come back)
-Went to sleep at 11, woke up at 6 am energized AF ready for the day
-Lost 10 lbs of weight (Half is prolly water weight, but I expect not much since I supplemented my fast with lite salt) -> went from 198 to 188
-Broke the fast with veggies, they were godlike.
-Stopped craving carbs on day 3

>Pic related before and after

I'm pushing my gut out and not flexing in both pics.

>>41544561
>>41544561
post a front pic you faggot and time stamp it. You could have taken these from anywhere and just edited he faces out so we cant image search it.

all you guys do is take side pics, a side pic is the easiest to manipulate thats why all those tv aids promoting weight loss do it etc and why that fat fuck in the video does it because he looks like a dyel from the front lmao.

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>>41544561
nice ass, anon

My sister told me that fasting will cause damage to my organs and brain, can someone link a study or something that show that it doesn't

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>>41544682
>BUT FASTING WILL CANNABILIZE MUH BICEPS AND ILL DIE

No, it won't. The biggest protein loss comes from (safe) secretions from your intestinal lining and pancreas, which tapers off as you continue to fast.

After a short burst of protein secreted from those organs (around 75 g of protein) -- your body will use about 20 grams of protein, that's about 20 days to waste an entire pound of muscle. Now compare this to the fact that you can lose up to 114 to 159 grams of fat a day and you got yourself a good ratio.

>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK22414/ <- This is what happens in your body when you fast
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26399868 <- Studies of non-obese men during periods of heavy caloric restriction

>>41544700
PS, the 114 to 159 grams figure is likely wrong, and it's more. if you're a smaller person you'll burn more towards those numbers.

>>41544682
Its because it will. Go ask anyone who is a sports sciene/nutrition professer at your local community college or find some one who is. Dont listen to anyone who says it wokt because they will just link you some study with sick people/shit sample size to sway your opinion. there have been NO studied done with bodybuilders regarding mass kept if you fast for long peroids of time. You will lose muscle mass,water,and fat but its not heathy to do that because after the fast you either binge or eat so little your hurting your gains brah. you need to learn to eat a healthy diet, not fast to solve your body issues.
also
op just shills his thread everyday to piss me off and argues with himself in the thread.

>>41544700
I don't understand, I also read the study

>>41544682
Your sister's organs and brain are already damaged.

so can I lift normally to keep my power levels (not pushing for PRs) and how often? what about cardio?

I don't want to lose muh mussels

>>41544526
So you're telling me getting an ibfection and not being able to eat for 12 days now and only be able to consume 1,5lof fluids a day is a good thing for my body? Because I look like a fucking sickly skeleton now.

Well let's say autophagy really is a good thing. After how many days do you think the bad effects start to outweigh the bad effects? Assuming we're talking about a decently lean healthy average human.

>>41544741
Homeostasis describes the tendency for your body to maintain a steady state. Generally, it likes things just the way they are. Your body does not want to gain or lose weight and there are certain biological mechanisms for maintaining this dynamic steady state. At any given point, your body will be in either of two states: an anabolic state or a catabolic state.

>>41544721
1 gram of fat is about 9 calories, divide that with your weight maintenance calorie count and you have an approximation. Example for me is 2300/9=250grams

>>41544526
That picture is buzzfeed click bait tier.
It's physically impossible to change like that in 28 days

>>41544732
>Third thread filled with bro scientists who can't provide a single study backing up the 'dangers' of fasting

Fuck off if you're not a faster or even interested. My evidence is more valuable than your low IQ opinion.
>>41544734
You would have to eat through your fat reserves to experience any organ damage. The longest sustained fast was over a year (obviously he was obese) -- but guess what, he was healthier after and didn't suffer any serious damage. Your sister is just as uninformed as the spergs who are indoctrinated with the whole MUH MASS and MUH 3 MEALS A DAY OR ILL LOSE ALL MY GAINS bs

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2495396/

>>41544802
op you sure do like making threads and talking to yourself lmao

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I did a 40 day water fast with my family and our twins died before they even turned 90 days old. Fuck you /fit/.

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>>41544590
As you wish

Age

>>41545110
nice time stamp retard

>>41544526
On day 2. Holy fucking shit I am bored, I never realized how much of my day revolves around food.

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>>41545837

>>41544682
>My sister told me that fasting will cause damage to my organs and brain, can someone link a study or something that show that it doesn't

Organs won't start taking damage until you're out of body fat. Though low levels of electrolytes are dangerous for other reasons, like a heart arrhythmia that could kill you. Or being horribly dehydrated so you wreck your kidneys. Or having low calcium so its leeched from your bones.

The brain is not optimally fed on ketones, so function might be impaired, but I don't know about damage.

>>41544785
That guy is a clickbait youtuber. He documented the process and he was fat as fuck in his previous videos and the time frame matches up.

Guy loses weight by not eating. Who thought that was fucking possible. All those POWs and starving people in 3rd world countries are bullshitters. As soon as they ate a leaf they would yoyo and explode into fatties because of their low metabolism.

>>41544785
You're upset because he did it before you and marketed it better than you would have.

>>41546510
Do you now how much he lost and how tall he is? I'm trying to estimate how long it's going to take me based on my own loss on a fast so far and the numbers seem off. Unless he was exercising a ton, i guess. Seems nearly impossible though, I can barely climb to the 6th floor after a week.

So this is the new cancer general?

>>41544561
What kinda allergies did you have?

>>41546572
Well the problem is he gave us his final weight after the fast and not a few weeks after when all his water weight is restored, plus the usual weight of food in your digestive track.

Don't do this, you'll just yo-yo back to your fat selves. Slow and steady is the key, a 500 kcal deficit every day will minimize stretch marks and almost completely eliminate the possibility of a yo-yo effect (if you're keeping your diet in check)

>>41546722
Why would it minimize stretch marks? I thought they're just scars left from tearing your skin after it has to spread too thin over your massive blob of a person. Do you somehow get them while shrinking too fast as well?

Genuinely curious

>>41546767
Literally at the top of this thread

>Autophagy. Based on new understandings of the physiological functions of autophagy we now know that both basal levels of autophagy and stress-induced increases in autophagy are likely important in promoting mammalian health Definition: basically, you stop eating and your body says "hey bro where's the food at?". At this point your body says "well I can either starve, or eat something I don't really need that I already have!". The body then looks at the following: old cells, dead cells, fat tissue cells, etc, and says "well I could eat this".
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2696814/
Autophagy. Based on new understandings of the physiological functions of autophagy we now know that both basal levels of autophagy and stress-induced increases in autophagy are likely important in promoting mammalian health Definition: basically, you stop eating and your body says "hey bro where's the food at?". At this point your body says "well I can either starve, or eat something I don't really need that I already have!". The body then looks at the following: old cells, dead cells, fat tissue cells, etc, and says "well I could eat this".

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2696814/

Autophagy eats away at scar tissue, but you have to fast for like 2 weeks

>>41546824
Pretty sure that's opposite to what anon said

Just wondering why losing weight fast would cause stretch marks in the first place, not how to get rid of them. I was blessed with no stretch marks despite being obese as fuck.

>>41545110
dont crop the picture faggot i cant re-image search it when you do that this thead js fuckin bait

>>41546861
see
>>41546017

>>41544682
Well, look at this guy >>41544700
talking to himself >>41544732
And tell me there's no brain damage

>>41546493
Would this even be an issue at anything <7 days assuming that you are not chronically deficient in the first place?

>>41546852
>fast would cause stretch marks in the first place
it won't. the other guy is a dumbass.
It might cause lose skin though. But you can argue that losign weight fast will do it at the same rate. I don't really know

I'm doing a 5/2 fast and don't eat on Monday and Wednesday. Down 18 lbs. to 212. Approx 15% bf. I eat like shit and drink a lot on non fasting days and its still working. About 6-8 weeks in.

I've been losing a lot of hair along with the fat.

Any way to stop it?

>>41546906
No

If you are healthy and normally nurished you can go 3-4 weeks without food.

A week is nothing for a fast. Though if you don't drink enough water you'll be dehydrated easily.

I'm personally doing 7 days fasts with 3-4 day breaks of eating light. Exactly because I'm not good at guzzling water. If I supplemented sodium though I could go longer. But I'm not in a hurry.

>>41546981
That's what I intuited, but I see so many people in these threads and on other forums being overzealous with the iodine/sodium in particular, and often magnesium also, i.e. supplementing whenever they reach ~day 3.

But then again, due to the demonization of salt and dairy, many are of course chronically deficient in iodine.

>>41545968
Yep

How did eating every day even become a thing? I mean if you eat Monday morning and don't eat again until Saturday, you're just spreading your meals out like if you ate 3 meals a day, only eating more when you do eat.

Finished a 2 day fast today, going to go for a two day then three day a week pattern. I'll probably see a specialist or something about it if I want to go longer.

>>41546906
Would you survive? Yes.

Is it a good idea or healthy? No.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starvation

>>41547784

> few days of not eating

> 'starvation'.

bro literally trust me ok if u dont eat every 45 minutes ull literally starve n katoobeleze all your moosels.

trust me, the market team at kellogs really convinced me this is true.

>>41547784
How about you read your own link dumbfuck

>Starvation ensues when the fat reserves are completely exhausted and protein is the only fuel source available to the body.

>>41547784

Can't the average body go about three weeks without food in a survival situation?

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If I'm going for a 14-day fast, should I supplement with lite salt and potassium? Or just go straight tap water?

>>41547713
>how did eating every day even become a thing?
There are multiple industries, some of the hugest ones, that revolve around the sale of food.
>$$$$$$$

>>41548233
You definitely need salt. I'd go with Himalayan Rock Salt. You don't need potassium, but if you're worried you can use Morton lite salt, which has potassium. You need magnesium like Natural Calm Magnesium Powder, which is easy on the stomach.

>>41548233
>If I'm going for a 14-day fast, should I supplement with lite salt and potassium? Or just go straight tap water?

There's literally no downside to supplementing electrolytes like magnesium, potassium, phosphorus, calcium, and sodium

Sodium makes even short term fasts a lot easier because you don't get dehydrated. Magnesium and potassium are a good idea in long term fasts so you don't get cramps and arythmia.

The OP (or a post directly after it) should include something about recommended supplements, or reasons for supplementing something teebeeeech.

There's a lot of talk in this thread about lite salt, potassium, magnesium and a multivitamin, but I've seen recommendations for iodine, fiber, fish oil, amino acids, etc.

>>41548272
>>41548279
Thanks, dudes. I will supplement my drinks with the lowest-calorie sodium, potassium, and magnesium I can find. I live in burgerland, and if you guys do too, what places would you recommend to find the vitamins (besides obv shipping shit like Amazon)? I was just thinking the local Walmart or Meijer (midwest fag checking in).

>>41548314

GNC

How bad is the loss of energy/side effects? Kinda wanna do a week long fast but I have work and study and shit

>>41546946

What does 5/2 mean? Fast 5 days in a row then eat 2 days?

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>>41548321
Didn't even think of that, thanks senpai.

>>41548337
From what I've watched and read, around days 3-5 you get really fucked up in terms of memory, but your senses in-the-moment are intense as fuck. Hard to describe, like a heightened situational awareness is what they said.

>>41548356
not ideal since I'm studying a language course and work as a teacher

I honestly hope someone dies from this.

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>>41548279
So basically i need pic related?

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Jesus Christ, so many fucking pussies and salty fags ITT, such as >>41548370

I used to do IF daily and I would regularly (every week or two) do 2 or 3 day water fasts to let my digestive system rest from my big meals with no ill effects, and I was very lean and fit. Now that I mention it, my digestion has been shit so maybe I'm due for a new round of fasting.

How do you homos think humans survived as a species if they immediately started cannibalizing their own muscle during famine, with no energy to hunt or gather new sources of food? Have you fallen for the agricultural jew this hard?

>>41548068
>Starvation is a severe deficiency in caloric energy intake needed to maintain an organism's life. It is the most extreme form of malnutrition. In humans, prolonged starvation can cause permanent organ damage

Literally the first line.

Why do all these idiots want to fast when they are not fat at all

>>41548217
Yes.

A day or two is likely to have no effect but if you follow the retarded "lets just drink water for a month" plan here you are setting yourself up for permanent irreversible damage.

How much water should one drink per day on say a 4-5 day fast?

>>41547713
because you'll lose muscle mass and it is extremely hard to eat that many calories in one sitting? Fucking retard lol

>>41548599
because it's the next fitness fad

>>41549033
But should it be? There's a lot of evidence to support it's claims
t. Biochemist

>>41549502
but when you're not even fat what's the point?

>>41549502
can i just consume >>41548388 or do i still need to buy multi vitamins and stuff?

>>41544732
dude, try it and then talk
I often fast, it's logically good for you, just start thinking by yourself and fucking try

>>41549587
Water is the only thing you need for fatty acid degredation, so you're fine on water only.

To those who are reluctant to supplement potassium and electrolytes just know that potassium iv is the most pain I've been in. It's so acidic that thinking about this makes my hand burn
Also don't worry I was only on a 2 month fast taking 40mg Adderall daily. I wouldn't advise it to anyone, but I did lose 40 lbs in the process. I also almost died.

Ya live, ya learn.

>>41548233
you don't need anything buddy
Just water keep hydrated af, drink a lot, specially at night or else you wake up extra dry

>>41548645
What a pussy.. try it, talk later

>>41549018
You lose muscle only when there's no fat and calories don't mean shit
you got fucked by big business

>>41548645
I see you already suffered some of that "permanent irreversible damage" in your brain if you seriously think that the body is dumb enough to ignore fat supplies and muscles and go straight to your organs.

>>41549674
???
You fasted for 2 months???
You wouldve lost more than 40lbs man.

Can I have coffee during a fast? Like 1 cup a day?

>>41549834
Coffee creates acidity, acidity is linked to oxydation, when you're fasting you'll feel way more energized you don't need the coffee
and taking coffee on an empty stomach is very stressful for your body
I dont recommend

Can I still drink a fuckton of unsweetened black/green tea?

Realize that tea better prevents me from getting hungry.

>>41549985
This guy is wrong. Both acidic and basic conditions can lead to nasty redox reactions and free radical cascades, just in different ways. Nevertheless, don't drink coffee on a fast.
t. Biochemist

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>>41550115
Coffee at the most will make you simulate hypoglycemia depending on if you're IF or extended fast you mouthbreathing disinfo imbecile
t. Actual physiological biochemist that downs black coffee to do fasted workouts

>>41550202
idiot

>>41549530
Autophagy

>>41550202
We're not talking about IF, dipshit.

>>41550363
what

>>41550397
Read the first post in this thread dude

>>41549033

> cross-cultural practice that has been done for centuries
> fad

How did you come to this conclusion?

>>41550641
I bet you follow the paleo diet too don't you

>>41550776

No, I don't; and that's not an answer to my question.

>>41548572
And what the fuck is your fat? NOT caloric energy stored?

Starvation occurs when you have no fat left.

23h fast
6 fistfuls of leafy greens
cardio after waking up
slow focused body weight exercise before eating
no meat milk cheese or eggs
meditate
clean water and air ,live around many plants
eat a variety of fruit and vegetables

>>41550861
just because people have done it in the past unwillingly doesn't make it automatically good.

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every fasting thread
>gets called out
>loses argument about why you should fast
>thread dies
>new thread is created the next day

>>41551081
>falling for so many memes at once

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>>41548388
>25kcal and 6.2g of 炭水化物 per 100 fucking ml

negro is you fucking serious
do you even understand what a water fast is

>>41544561
you still look like shit

What's the point of lifting during a fast if you don't eat protein anyway for the gains?

>>41551555
you lift so you can keep your gainz

>>41544561
seems like youve experienced keto you dumb faggot.

>>41551555
can't wait for someone to kill themselves lifting while fasting
>got no energy
>I'll lift heavy anyway
>passing out benching...

>>41548284
Agreed.

I`m on day three now. I feel no hunger and feel good.
Fot the last month I have had daily fasts and I am now going for a 5 day fast. My goal is to lose my gut (Might have 15-20 kgs to go).

>>41549834
>>41550044
yes

ignore the mouthbreathers saying not to drink tea/coffee

the only reason to avoid them is that they MAY inhibit autophagy (research hasn't been done yet), but since everyone here is just looking to lose fat, it doesn't matter.

>>41549674
Potassium IV was painless for me

>>41551781

Realistically, it absolutely will inhibit autophagy because the liver is focused on metabolising caffeine.

The only question is to the extent of which caffeine inhibits autophagy.

>>41552170

* Its worth nothing that I absolutely still drink caffeine during a fast and anybody who tries to tell me not to can get fucked -- but -- I'm under no illusions that it doesn't inhibit autophagy because it absolutely would have to simply via its mechanism.

do you really have to drink liters of water per day on a really long fast? feels very counter-intuitive

>>41552213

no.

water fast doesnt imply you try to replace calories with water

it means you're fasting on everything other than water.

How long should i fast before it starts eating my gains? Is it after i have no more body fat?

>>41552183
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4111762/
Okay friend

>>41552536

> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25588864

It's almost like it takes nothing to find a study showing anything.

>>41552564
Correct but the fact that intake of coffee directly stimulates autophagy would mean it would likely not hinder it during a fast, or at least to a lesser extent

>>41552400
random sites about water fasting go on and on about how you have to drink tons of water tho

I never have dreams when eating food

If I fast I have really intense dreams

>>41544682
I still hasn't got a answer to this, some people started to ramble about muscle mass and someone linked me a 2000 word excerpt

>>41552629
try nofap and fasting at the same time to get the real deal

>>41552632

.. No?

Think logically, if fasting for a few days caused irreparable damage to our bodies .. would our species be alive today?

Homosapien is designed to work at near 100% efficiency when food deprived .. and if it didn't we'd of died off as a species during our nomadic/tribal days .. because we spent the majority of our time fasted & in the pursuit of getting a meal.

Realistically, the human body has multiple contingencies that just scream it's designed to be fasted.

We can switch from glycolysis to ketosis on a dime for both our brain and muscles.

We upregulate GH to prevent muscle loss, which ultimately causes us to lose LESS muscle the longer we're on a fast.

Our body is capable of prioritising protein for catabolism & the body should strong preference to all protein other than skeletal muscle & organ.

We have bodyfat, aka a literal energy bank.

Think about it ..

>>41545837
>>41546861
why are you so hostile you fucking retards

I do 2x 24 hours fasting and 16:8 at other days.
Losing fat while maintaining lifts. My biggest gain was that my cravings for sweets and other types of simple carbs are gone.

>>41552650
>no food
>no fap
>no caffeine
>no nothing

Get on my level. Doing this only for a couple of days, but the headache is already starting to set in.

>>41551640
>what is ketosis
>what is hgh release
Ignoramus. I bet you think breakfast should be taken at 8am and the most important meal of the day. What a retard

>>41552664
>if fasting for a few days caused irreparable damage to our bodies .. would our species be alive today
Probably, you don't die just because your organs are a little damaged

>>41551140
and studies show that its actually good

>>41552735
Also pls link study that shows fasting fo 1 week or more causes or do not cause organ damage

>>41552735

... Except we spent nearly all our time fasted & exercising while pursuing food .. so using your own logic.

> Fasting -> organ damage.

Then surely we'd accumulate a lot of damage very fast.

It doesn't even need to kill us, just hinder us enough to allow something else to kill us.

>>41552748

It doesn't cause organ damage .. Jesus fucking christ.

Our species would have been eradicated nearly instantly if it did, use your fucking brain you imbecile.

How the fuck did people survive the Holocaust if it not eating instantly destroys your organs?

Just use your fucking brain, cunt.

>>41552767
Hmm fair enough I guess, wouldn't we still be able to hunt food with damaged organs?

>>41552781
>if it not eating instantly destroys your organs?
I didn't say that

>>41552824

If between you and your sister you have 0 education on physiology it'd be pointless to even show her a study.

This is a step beyond CICO, you need to at least understand human metabolism and its players to get why fasting works.

I'm giving you the nomad example because it requires 0 scientific knowledge, just a bit of critical thought.

>>41552833
It wouldn't be pointless to show her a study since she would accept it as a fact. If it said "after fasting for x weeks there were no signs of organ damage" she would believe it

>>41552867

It would be pointless because you wouldn't understand 85% of the words you were reading.

You've already rejected some guys study he gave you because it was 'too long'.

This is too advance for you, it seems like you're underage t b h, just stick to calories in and calories out.

Try eat more vegetables, etc.

>>41552867
Dude come on how else can we spell it out for you? You can damage yourself fasting if you still have burnable fat....

>>41552953
>>41553129
so there is no study? ok got it

>>41553205
cont.

but I accept your theories guys, they sure have a lot of studies to support them

>>41553205

No study that explicitly explains in layman English so a 15-year-old (legit this is how old I'm wagering you are .. maybe 16) can be able to interpret it.

You were linked MULTIPLE studies previously, you just can't read them. You even said this yourself.

Please close this window and come back when you are 18.

Thank you.

>>41552629
Same. I also require much less sleep.

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There is so much broscience here so can anyone explain me scientifically are there benefits if I go from IF with calorie deficit to water fast?

Also what's the point of hitting gym during water fasting since you can't really build muscle? Aside from cutting more calories.

>>41553298
>Also what's the point of hitting gym during water fasting since you can't really build muscle? Aside from cutting more calories.
There is no point, don't do it. Theoretically on intermittent fasting, training then eating immediately afterwards upregulates insulin response and is thus more anabolic, but this is not proven or anything. On a prolonged fast, absolutely do not do anything more strenuous than walking.

>>41553298
read this
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK22414/

>>41548217
yes 3 weeks is correct. at that point you enter starvation assuming you started at low body fat %. you can still survive in starving mode for a while but damage can start to form at that point obviously but you dont just drop dead on 3 weeks +1 day.

>>41548351
from his post im assuming he fasts for 2 days and eats for 5.

>>41544526
Op i appreciate you making these threads. Im gonna try a day long fast within next couple days and im convinced it will definitely clear up my allergies and help with weight loss.

Day three of the fast.
Just went to the arboretum with the gf today and the colours when fantastic! At times it felt like the onset of MDMA. Flashes of memories come back too, things that I had forgotten come back vividly, this has been going on longer than my fast but started when I did low carbs altered day fasting but today it`s on another level. GF commented on how I seem to glow with health too.
I feel no hunger or need to eat but I am looking forward to enjoying some foods after this fast. Although I could survive for a fucking long time with my fat reserves.
All in all a very pleasant experience.

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>>41553788
>tfw no gf

>>41553788
>Flashes of memories come back too, things that I had forgotten come back vividly, this has been going on longer than my fast but started when I did low carbs altered day fasting but today it`s on another level.

I have severe aphantasia and I swear I almost managed to see something when I fasted for a while in the past.

>>41554064
>aphantasia
I needed to google that, damn son. How do you fap?

>>41554078
Porn, but I've quit that recently.
Up until recently I didn't even know people could actually "imagine" things, I thought it was a figure of speech.

>>41548542
Prehistoric humans died at 30 if they were lucky. Fastfags plz fuck off.

>>41550641
>How did you come to this conclusion?

In the span of a month hundreds of threads have been started all with the same pic.

Enjoy your meme and future metabolic crash.

>>41553788
This! I was blind before, but after fasting now my sight has returned

>>41554151

ye u right literally every human on earth died because their daily calories was only like 30% of tdee

>>41554179
>Enjoy your future metabolic crash.

... he said whilst employing a 500 calorie deficit, blissfully unaware of the irony

>>41554104
What do you do then when you're told to picture a concept, like "your home" or "your ex-school"?

>>41554503
I don't really do anything.

>>41553788
tell us of your dick anon, does it work yet? Girls are always supportive of this shit until they realize your dick is not that hard and big like before. It is perfectly normal to have reduced performances in a long fast

>>41551140

I never said it was good or bad, you illiterate mong. Your claim is unrelated to my question.

>>41554179

Again, not an answer to my question.

>>41544561
In just FOUR DAYS you too can lose THREE INCHES in height with this one neat trick!

>>41544561
jesus that's some heavy flow you got there girl

>>41553382

Thank you, I want to lose fat and train at the same time so taking the slow way is better for me then I guess.

>>41555041
You get way more advantage going the slow way , being able to train is way more valuable in term of HgH production and general health than fasting .
But I must agree that for ultra sedentary people fasting is way better than calories restriction .

>>41555487
>being able to train is way more valuable in term of HgH production [...] than fasting .
Not true.

>>41554841
>try fasting to lose some weight
>become a manlet

Never trust /fit/, ever

Could I still use the EC stack during the water fast?

>wake up
>eat a nice, full lunch
>getting ready to fast
>"ok i need some vitamins"
>go to the vitamin shoppe in town
>"sorry anon, we just sold all of our potassium earlier in the week, no idea why it went so fast"
wtf /fit/?? is everyone jumping on the /fasting/ train?

how the fuck can you train while fasting?? if i don't eat when i get back from the gym it feels like my blood sugar is bottoming out and i can barely do anything.. this shit comes off like some lazy fatfuck quickfix for a problem he spent years developing.

What should I eat to keep my daily vitamin/mineral/protein intake high enough while eating less than 1500 Cal?

600 calories a day vs fasting?

>>41556084
600 a day.

>>41556114
why? i read some comments here that say that eating a low calorie diet will fuck up my metabolism but fasting is just impossible

>>41556129
With 600 you can get all necessary nutrients while still losing weight like crazy.

>>41552632
No your body not not metabolism organs and brain tissue during a fast.

I'm not a biologist but I am a chemical engineer and have a good understanding of biology. In the case of your body lacking carbohydrates it will reduce lipids to form NADPH from NADP and then oxidize NADPH to energy forming NADP+

It will also break down proteins/peptides and reduce amino acids for energy.

Brain cells are G0 cells and will not be catabolized, most organ cell won't be either.

fuck I am so bored

>>41556148
yeah... that's not how it works. you're going to legit slow your metabolism down that way
>>41556627
yeah, this is mostly mental.

>>41556627
watch a movie

Lads how do you break a longer fast? I've only been doing 48 hours at most and will do 96 hours now.

Was thinking some blueberries at first, and then if that feels ok, I will fill up with some dates for dat dere potassium. After that I will adjust accordingly, likely yoghurt and possibly some meat.

What you think?

IF + PSMF >>>>>>>>>> Water fast
You'll feel less like shit and will be able to work out normally.
I'm losing 100g/day on psmf and I'm still able to study and workout as hard as I can.

hey fit, i've been wanting to lose weight for some time but i have pretty bad gyno (i can literally squeeze liquid from it), should i try to lose weight anyway?

>>41557446
no, you shouldn't, you should stay the way you are

>>41557446
Maybe autophagy will get rid of your gyno? Probably not but it's worth a try

Day 3. Almost 4.

Terrible headache. Why?

>>41558503
Could be any number of things.

Get some sodium in you. Mix a quarter-teaspoon with some warm water and guzzle it. If that doesn't help, you are either experiencing a withdrawal from carbs/caffeine/etc or you need to get some potassium/magnesium vitamins in you.

Keep pushing, it should get easier after day 5 is over.

>>41544561
LOL died when I saw what you used to cover your face with. Oy vey

>>41552524
Nobody on this board knows, you shouldn't fast, its a meme anyway

>some faggot on /fit/ is trying to convince people to starve themselves

You retards know this is likely an angry hamplanet trolling you fools.

>>41557300
For only a 4 day fast you can eat anything you want and be fine as long as you understand you're going to fill up a lot faster than you used to. Don't order large portions to celebrate and eat slowly.

Also drop blueberries because carbs make low calorie and fasting fucking horrible. Your body tries to run on glucose that isn't there. And you crash after the sugar is gone.

>>41556084
Eating even a small amount makes you hungry the rest of the day.

Fasting is horrible the first few days but really easy after that.

Right now I'm fasting for 7 days then eating for 3 because that's how long I can last before I feel terrible. I could spread my calories and nutrition out with a very low calorie diet, but I was hungry as fuck doing that. With fasting I'm not hungry until day 6 or so then I just ignore it because you build a tolerance.

>>41556048
>how the fuck can you train while fasting??

You dont.

>>41555992
Potassium pills are shit. The legal limit is 3% daily value and the pills are pretty big.

/fit/ keeps saying to use morton lite salt or some shit. I wonder how much potassium is in it.

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fasting is a meme
get memed summerfags

>>41552629
I used to dream too much and too long and I'd wake up tired as fuck

I still dream some when fasting but I'm surprised how early I wake up and how not tired I am.

>>41551640
I did that with cardio once.
>Uhuhuhuhuh I'm not going to eat for 24 hours then run a mile and do a fuckload of burpees ahuehueheuhueh
>I don't feel so great
>Lose motor control, black out, and flop onto a bench in the locker room
>Spend a minute with my head reeling waiting for my legs to work again
>It sick it piss
10/10 would fast again

Question:

Does artificial sweeteners such as Sucralose and AKC break the fast or spike blood sugar?

>>41559943
I've heard a lot of parroting that artificial sweeteners spike insulin, but I have no idea if this has ever been tested by experiment.

>>41559943
That depends on personal biology, it spikes for some people and doesn't for others

>>41558902
Ignoramus

>>41559046
>fasting is to starve
What a retard. I bet you're the hamplanet that can't live without any food for 2 hours lol

>>41559943
It might raise insulin. Just man the fuck up and drink water. Sweeteners will fuck you out of the other benefits like preventing cancer and will make it harder to fast as you'll be craving shit.

Cravings go away quickly.

>>41544823
not gona make it

>>41559943
>Sucralose and AKC
I read somewhere that sucralose does while AKC, you need to take shitloads of it to raise insulin

>>41560444
Well im wondering because Id like to drink a poweraid zero or something to get the extra nutrient

Might fast on wednesday and saturdays, good idea?

>>41557311
PSMF?

>This One Weird Trick /Fit/ And Jason Fung Don't Want You To Know


Eat a healthy balanced diet of tasty foods

Do good amounts of exercise including strength training and cardio.

Drink plenty of water

Get plenty of sleep

>>41560629
No! I need to be skinny NOW >:(

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>>41560629
I can't believe there are retards that still fall for chink quackery like this shit

>>41554557
How do you read a book then? Don't you try to think and visualize the things that you read about?

Personally I think I over-visualize to the point that my reading speed is seriously handicapped.

>>41544526
shouldn't do this if under 18 right? Could stunt growth I heard. even though the op pic looks like a 15 year old

>>41560738
Can't grow if you're dead

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>>41560738
Don't do this if your under aged, unless you want to become a manlet. My (male) friend had some sort of a eating disorder and stopped eating while a teenager and now he is 160-170 cm tall, considerably smaller than other people in my country.

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Don't have any access to vitamins atm. Would eating a banana every few days keep my heart from asploding without ruining the fast?

>>41560542
Your body stores plenty of nutrients. All you need is salt. If you're worried about it take

>Himalayan Salt - 1/4 teaspoon 3-4 times a day
>Natural Calm Unflavored Magnesium Powder - 3/4 teaspoon 2-3 times a day
>Iron-Free multivitamin
>calcium citrate
>Garden of Life Men's Once Daily Probiotic
>Brigg's Organic Raw Unfiltered Apple Cider Vinegar - 1-2 Tablespoons per day

>>41558503
All advice says if the headache reaches migraine level, eat.

>>41560997
you are asking if eating food will ruin the fast? hmmmmmm

>people here have started doing this
>it has become totally lost on people that this was a joke

Remarkable, this is an exact copy of the events from ~2013-2014 in which people nonstop posted images of Chloe Moertz on /b/ pretending she was hot, and then other kids actually started believing she was hot

>>41561386

What?

Fasting was popular before /fit/ even heard of it.

It started here because people started linking Fung lectures, and then people started doing more research. It gained traction, and now people are talking about it.

Exact same way IF kicked off here with Berkhan.

Please take your special club and fuck off turbonerd.

Just finished a 48 hour fast a couple days ago, it felt really good. Lifted on both days of fasting, noticed no negative effects or fatigue. The worst part was feeling extremely hungry about 16 hours or so in, but once that was over I basically felt no hunger at all on the second day. I probably wouldn't lift if I were to fast for a longer period of time however.

>>41561386
If it's fake what about the video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E484qiQXxzM

Reminder that the guy who gets super defensive about fasting admitted that he claims CICO is bullshit because of his own terrible self control.

>>41561685
i didn't say it's "fake".

>a guy ate literally nothing for a month
>lost weight

AMAZING!!!! He also PERMANENTLY damaged his body. permanently. skin, bones, connective tissue, nervous system, brain. basically anything you can think of.

Or you could just, you know, eat right and work out. Why the fuck are you on /fit/ to use magical shortcuts?

Starvation? as a "fast"? It's fucking STARVATION.

>>41561742

link? screencap?

>>41561766

> when you don't really know much about the human body but you still needa try argue so you just start listin random things.

penis, testicles, anus, prostate!

>>41561775
https://desuarchive.org/fit/thread/40923109/#q40927890

This whole thread but from here down in particular. He spent that whole week making threads about the great Dr. Fung and his one simple trick (that doctors hate!)

>>41561784
>when you don't really know much about the human body

i have an exercise science degree try me

im the one educated person who comes to this board and the reason i dont stick around is precisely little fucks like you, high school kids or dumb steroid fucks who tell educated people they dont know what theyre talking about

>starving yourself doesn't permanently damage your body!
ask any POW how their post-imprisonment strength was despite any amount of food and exercise. go ahead i'll wait

>retards that have devoted their lives to losing 1 lb a week from religiously following the sticky advice mad as fuck about the fast

>>41561803

> all those pows!

you mean those holocaust and pow survivors who didn't die from starvation & forced labour?

you mean those guys who got starved for 168 days in the Minnesota starvation experiment who suffered no permanent negative effects?

woo nigga

nice bro, i got 3 degrees myself, and one is a BS

exercise science? wow cool! shame that's a fucking meme bachelor degree that isn't offered by the majority of highly ranked schools. lmfao

either way i put my ashes out on you my niga.

>>41561083
Doesn't store water soluble nutrients for long you dense fuck

>>41561803

> I did a degree in exercise science because I was too dumb for a Bachelor of Science or Bachelor of Med Sci.

How's working as a PT going for you?

I don't know why non fasters are so angry about people that do short fasts (i.e. 1-3 days). The logic about why it's bad doesn't make as much sense to me the more I think about it.

>If you fast you'll lose gains
Most people that fast aren't going to do so with the intent of maintaining or increasing their gains, although that leads to my second part:

>If you fast your body is permanently damaged and you got fucked.

I think this is where I think shit is weird, I really think it'd be fucked up if my body basically collapsed under itself if I didn't eat within 24 hours, I can see the lack of energy or a headache or something but if my body gets fucked up from not eating in a little amount of time such as a day or two then I really think I have a bigger problem.

>>41561880
Don't fall for the shit people feed you about being 'deprived and sickly' after 24 hours, or even 72. They can't help that their feeble minds blindly believe what the Kelloggs marketing team tells them about the importance of eating once every 3 hours!

I do intermittent fasting and I fast for a whole day once a month.
It works for me but I don't expect everyone else to have the same results

>>41561907
I mean yes at 24, I did my first fast at around 50 hours and felt a headache. I think regardless of marketing being told 'don't eat literally anything for 3 days' can merit a few eyebrows, outside of marketer shills people do believe that it is a sign of an eating disorder ala anorexia. Being told to eat three square meals made since, you naturally take a break when you wake up, in the middle of work and at the end of the day. Calories in/out has merit don't try to strawman their argument.

I don't expect to lose massive weight but I see more benefits from it the more I see it, I also see why there is concern in that area too.

>>41549674
Well see youre just retarded. No one told you to go without eating for 2 months Mohammad.

>>41552664
This
Plus I bet the people who are saying "fasting is a meme" or "hurrrr new fad" are the people that look like dogshit. Seriously I say only about 10% who post here actually look like they lift.
/thread.

>>41553298
A lot of anons have posted really good studies. I think the best time to do a fast is after a bulk since youve accumulated a lot of extra fat while building muscle. But fasting can be used whenever. Just dont be a retard and think you can fast for 3months. Use your brain, read studies, prepare body, prepare vitamins and drink water and listen to your body.

Bulk for 8months
Fast for 1week
Cut for the remaining months.

>>41561997
>because cavemen existed, we should do the same things

the issue is not that it's a fast. the issue is that it's a starvation fast and that people are advocating a starvation fast to the point that it gets into permanent damage territory (fasting should never be longer than five days)

cavemen stubbed their toe and died because of no penicillin, we should do the same. we are designed to eat raw meat because we can in fact chew and digest it, let's do that

>>41562046
But cavemen didn't have hospitals or supplements to counter the issues and prevent the damage

>>41562046

... Your points aren't equivalents.

Do you genuinely not understand that.

> Cavemen died to infections

is not the same as

> Cavemen were able to go days without food while being highly active & didn't die or suffer for it.

These aren't parallels, you understand that, right?

>>41561803
>Exercise science degree
>Not getting a degree in biochemistry or physiology.
>Thinking your """"""educated""""" advice matters

Most veterans dont continue lifting or exercising to the frequency of their bootcamp days.

>>41562089
>without dying or suffering for it
1. They did suffer
2. Not dying is setting the bar p low

>>41561742
>CICO is all about self control
what a retard. Fasting is more about self control

>>41562775

No they didn't because the human body is designed to be able to fast for several days in a row without any issue.

I'm tired of you.

Start producing studies that show organ damage or any significant issues within 1 week of fasting.

If you can't then just stop posting, very simple concept, yeah?

You won't, they don't exist, so I'm going to say goodbye now because I'm not going to bother reply to whatever fucking meme cringe shit you will respond to this post with.

Peace.

imo you should get into keto with food before you start a water fast
that way you don't have to deal with the 3 day get into ketosis bs and you can do short 1-2 day fasts without feeling like shit and shutting down your digestion

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>>41562812
>CICO is not about self control

>>41562812
>I can't control how many calories I eat
>better eat none instead of limiting my calorie intake

nice self control you got there

>>41544526
>on a 7 day fast you'll essentially accelerate muscle wasting
>accelerate muscle wasting
>accelerate
>Meaning it happens regardless
>Meaning "You will not lose all your gains. In the history of fasting" is a lie

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>>41546824
Yup... 15 day water fast once a year, started last year.
Hoping to never get cancer, clogged arteries, arthritis, etc.

>>41546852
>>41546767

>losing weight fast would cause stretch marks
it doesn't
it causes loose skin

stretch marks are caused by your surface area growing faster than your skin can stretch

so it rips and repairs itself with scar tissue


if autophagy minimizes stretch marks then it does so by eating the excess skin you have starting with your stretch marks which are scars.

>>41560687
If the visual imagery is overly complicated I just skip the descriptive parts. I don't like reading anyway.

>>41564163
yes it happens, but marginally. you lose muscle on a cut too buddy. I didn't lie, you will NOT lose all of your gains after 7 days of your body burning through fat reserves assuming you're above 10% BF or so

about 48H in, no hunger, body feels very tired

>>41552781

>the holocaust

I fast for 2 days every week. What's up?

>>41544526
does it count as fasting if i only eat 1 bowl of soup every day?

>>41567096
is this you? >>41567077

i considered posting in that thread.

eating the soup would probably just make it more difficult.

>>41566896

wots the point of this reply?

>>41567116
>eating the soup would probably just make it more difficult.
How come? Is it because it'll make me hungrier? I don't have a problem when it comes to cravings, I survived 4 months on one small piece of chicken breast every day back in 2013 and I never had cravings (and went from 120kg to 75 and stayed that way until May of 2016)

>>41564149

Are you the same guy that keeps trying to argue it's easier to eat slightly less than it is to eat nothing?

>>41567152
you need to reduce your insulin as much as possible in order to see the benefits of fasting. eating the soup will increase it.

>>41567152

Bro, the 'fasting' means something. Specifically, you're not fasted if you're eating soup everyday.

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Can someone explain to me fasting like im 5? I know its where you don't eat but it cant be that simple.

Would it help to do a 24hour fast once a week? (to lose weight)

Do you get headaches after not eating? I get headaches for not eating for 6 hours.

please help

>>41567167
I think you're talking about me. I'm the guy who you insisted couldn't possibly lose weight by eating less.
>Eating less calories
>Hard

>>41567231
>Only eat once every week
>Pray in the direction of Dr. Jason "One Simple Trick" Fung five times a day
>Post on /fit/

>>41567231
>I get headaches for not eating for 6 hours

Go see a fucking doctor.

>>41567138
he's being an edgy neckbeard incel from /pol/ and implying the holocaust didn't happen.
>>41567070
try 4 days.

>>41567250
why so melodramatic? it's probably just a lack of electrolytes.

>>41567250
its like a mild headache nothing major, its more of a annoyance

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hey /fit/, i don't ever go here or care for fitness, but i have a question which i hope some of you know the answer to

i lay like pic related in my bed most of the day. is this bad for my body? i feel strain in my back after a while, but i assume that's just because it takes effort to keep my head up like this

(the thing on the left is my laptop)

>>41567292
I think you might have small cell lung cancer, go ask /sci/

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>>41567303
>i feel strain in my back after a while

roll over

>>41567303
>i lay in my bed most of the day. is this bad for my body?

yes

>>41567306
no im fine. im sure just low blood sugar or something

>>41567292
I get it too. its literally because your body is addicted like caffeine.

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>>41567303
>>41567324
>>41567325
just for the record, i lay facing the laptop, like updated pic related

>>41567334
Yeah i got them last time i dieted about 2 years ago, if it was cancer i would be dead by now lol

>>41567325
i'm not fat or in physically bad state or anything, i go for hour long walks every day and regularly go hang out with people i know

>>41567349
ahaha

>>41567337
hey can you not derail the thread with your bs thanks

>>41567360
i'm sorry, i just thought my dumb question didn't deserve its own thread

feel free to filter me, my guy

>>41567303
>>41567337
you look like a fucking skelly, how long did you fast for

>>41567378
excuse my lack of artistic integrity

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>>41567378
Hehehehehhehe Good one

any tips on a 3 day fast?
what do i need to know?

>>41567408
s a l t
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>>41567480
how much do i need?

>>41544732
Faggit

>>41567504
whenever you feel a bit off, put about 1/4 of a teaspoon directly on your tongue and suck on it. this gets it into your system faster than dissolving it into water.

the total quantity doesn't matter, just take as much as you need. too much > too little.

>>41561907
Yeah it's total bullshit, people used to eat an apple for breakfast and that was normal until capitalism came and suddenly we HAD to have a full meal

>>41567683
read through the last 3 threads. you'll see just how bad the indoctrination really is here.

Just got done with a 3 day water fast. Was originally aiming for 7, but I started getting leg cramps. Didn't feel like fucking around with a possible potassium deficiency. Had a lot of weird side effects.
>perpetual morning breath
>bad headache, at least to start
>a little acid reflex halfway through
>some mean as fuck morning wood
>slightly improved eyesight (still not 100% on this, but I think it helped my astigmatism a little)
>acne on my forehead cleared slightly
Gonna use this to transition to a keto diet and revisit it later. In the meantime I wanna do some more research on this shit. The eyesight in particular is really mind-boggling to me.

>>41567586
are you trying to kill me

>>41567763
care to elaborate more? i want to do a 3 day fast but i have no idea what to do.

what about salt? do i need multi vitamins? how do i break the fast?

>>41559895
how much weight did you lose though

>>41553205
Summer time boiz

>>41567763
were you spiking your water with lite salt and consuming close to a days worth each day? i didn't get any of these sides except 4 days (also i took magnesium to avoid cramps)
>>41567812
see above. break the fast with a small cup of steamed veggies. eat easy that day.

>>41567764
i think anon might be trying to kill you dog don't do it its mustard gas

>>41567812
Starting on the second day I dropped about a teaspoon of salt into some water and drank it. Nasty, but it took care of my headache. Multivitamins help since you aren't taking any in, but if it's only for three days you'll probably be fine.
Broke my fast this morning with some chicken noodle soup, only focusing on the broth and vegetables. For lunch I did spinach with caesar dressing. It was really short-notice, I'm sure there's better choices out there.

So supplements that should be taken on a fast I'm gathering should be magnesium and putting salt in my water? Can I still take zinc and vitamin b and my normal vitamin stack or will it fuck up the fast? Is coffee off limits? I've done a 4 day water fast before, I'd like to step it up to 7.

>>41546852
It won't, it's a myth. The skin has a limit of elasticity and you won't get loose skin if you don't blob over that limit

>>41551081
unnecessary
ok
ok
ok
stupid
gay
irrelevant
ok

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQPjdCtGHZg

>>41568043
what about bcaas? or even protein shakes?

>>41568050
bump, want to know this too

>>41568208
Might have to do your own research on that one. BCAAs is an interesting idea though. Your body eats some of your muscle mass while fasting since it can't make amino acids from fat. But you're not gonna lose much anyway. I think it's something like 20g/day which slowly decreases the further along you go. Again, do your own research, I don't know much about this either.

>>41554151
Im not advocating for fasting but thats not true, babies dying in infancy distorts the figures. Average height in 400bc britain was 6 foot. Basically suck my dick you lil faggot

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Guys so I've been fasting 1 meal a day for the past few months and I've GAINED weight. I'm up 2kg and I'm looking leaner than I ever have. Fasting is the tits.

Pic related. I'm the guy in black with the red sword.

>>41560997
Sleep tight hammers

>>41568050
You need magnesium, potassium, and sodium. If you're going to add salt to your water, you need to make sure that it has potassium in it. Check the label. I use morton lite salt and that's what is being recommended by others. As long as you're getting those three, it doesn't really matter how you get it.

Go ahead and use your normal vitamin stack, there isn't really a reason not to do so. Plenty of others still use vitamins while fasting. The fat soluble vitamins will have a low absorption rate since you're fasting, but I think you'll still absorb some.

>>41560629
wow dude thanks for the advice what a great way to lose 1 pound every 2 weeks

Apple fast v water fast?

Looking to attempt fasting 1-2 days a week currently, but not sure what method I should use for my first fast.

also I think this is a good source for some info on fasting, its the article I read

https://cspinet.org/tip/cr-diet-truth-will-calorie-restriction-prolong-your-life

>>41570455
an apple fast is utterly retarded doctor oz shit. do it the manly way. eat nothing and just drink water.

for future reference, you should do your research on primarily pubmed. they have legit studies there, not clickbait articles.